Speaker 1: What's up everyone on Tory Deal?
Speaker 2: And I'm Anissa Ferira and this is MTV's official Challenge
Speaker 2: podcast and we are back.
Speaker 1: To cover the Challenge All Stars Rivals.
Speaker 2: This season is wild. I'm so excited for you to
Speaker 2: see a Tory.
Speaker 1: I'm so happy I'm not there. The tension feels so hi.
Speaker 1: I don't even want to know what it felt like
Speaker 1: in person, but it's going to make for an epic
Speaker 1: season for sure.
Speaker 2: And this is just the first episode. My god, I
Speaker 2: mean you can cut it with a knife and serve
Speaker 2: it to a village. It is absolutely insane. And we're
Speaker 2: talking OG's and people that are not going to bite
Speaker 2: third tongues for anything, and there may not be any
Speaker 2: changing that.
Speaker 1: So we know things are going to get pretty spicy
Speaker 1: this season because of the rivals theme. So we thought
Speaker 1: it might be nice to do this first episode with
Speaker 1: just us because we're friends, you know, to ease ourselves
Speaker 1: into it before the.
Speaker 2: K Yeah, so let's get into this episode all right.
Speaker 1: First, thanks Personisa, who were you most surprised to see
Speaker 1: come back onto the show?
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't even know how to break this one down,
Speaker 2: but Frank haven't seen him in years Shane has been
Speaker 2: wildly vocal on Twitter. Yep, Ashley left on Spies, Lives
Speaker 2: and Allies. We haven't seen her in a while, Davon.
Speaker 2: She said she was not coming back on Yep Sam. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, I'm not surprised at Sam's back
Speaker 2: because I'm surprised that they didn't. I mean, I don't
Speaker 2: know if they called her not before, but we haven't
Speaker 2: seen her in years. I think that she would have
Speaker 2: been great throughout the years. There's just so many personalities
Speaker 2: here that I feel like we missed out on on
Speaker 2: the Flagship Show. But it's kind of cool that they
Speaker 2: have this break because we get to see character development
Speaker 2: or lack thereof.
Speaker 1: I am super excited that Ashley Kelsey, who I love
Speaker 1: by the way, shout out to Ashley Kelsey, she's back
Speaker 1: with Dario, which is.
Speaker 2: Like, wait, you already even know this. How hard is
Speaker 2: it to be paired? Like, you know how hard it
Speaker 2: is to just be in the same house as an
Speaker 2: ex How do you feel about being paired with an
Speaker 2: ex partner? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think like it depends what part of the cycle
Speaker 1: of X you're in. For example, if if if Jordan
Speaker 1: and I were to be partnered right now, we'd be great.
Speaker 1: There would be no problems. We would we would compete
Speaker 1: like animals. If Jordan and I would be to be
Speaker 1: partnered before we had our resolve, Like Ashley Kelsey and
Speaker 1: Dario have not spoken like they said there now we're
Speaker 1: watching them in a stage of their resolve. I cannot
Speaker 1: imagine how it feels. The funny thing is is they
Speaker 1: keep calling each other hot in their interview.
Speaker 2: I know, I know. Do you think that there's any
Speaker 2: chance we'll see some RecA Is.
Speaker 1: It weird that I kind of hope so? Is it
Speaker 1: weird that I kind of won it for them? I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 2: We always love an adult rekindling or relationship thing on
Speaker 2: All Stars. We love to see, you know, romance in
Speaker 2: the later years. I mean, considering Dario thinks we're all
Speaker 2: from the nineteen forties.
Speaker 1: I also love how that, like when they talk to
Speaker 1: each other, they don't play like intense challenge competition music.
Speaker 1: It sounds like hanky panky music.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's definitely like wo't wow. It's so funny to me.
Speaker 2: TJ blows his horn and it's instant porn music, Like.
Speaker 1: Who found that playlist?
Speaker 2: What is the name of it.
Speaker 1: It's Dariyo and Ashley's hanky panky, Like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's their CD, it's their mixtape from the nineties.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, it's so so funny.
Speaker 2: I want to know, from just looking at it, which
Speaker 2: rival pair do you think hates each other the most?
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think there's any getting through Turbo.
Speaker 2: Turbo.
Speaker 1: Will will truly shock me if the season on ravels
Speaker 1: and him and Nannie end up becoming allies. You can
Speaker 1: see it. With Nanny, she is willing to put the
Speaker 1: pass behind her because she has a very clear vision
Speaker 1: that she wants to win her first challenge and she's
Speaker 1: willing to do anything to do it, and that means
Speaker 1: squashing beef with Turbo.
Speaker 2: But baby in the sand, Honey, when they yell at
Speaker 2: when they told us our partners, you know what Nanny
Speaker 2: looks like when she's mad. Oh yeah, and that was it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was bad.
Speaker 2: I'm like she's gonna walk off. Yeah, like it was bad.
Speaker 2: I didn't even think they'd make it to the house.
Speaker 2: Mm girl.
Speaker 1: I definitely think looking at Johnny and Beth, their reaction,
Speaker 1: Johnny's face set it all like Beth had obviously done
Speaker 1: something that's kind of unforgivable, and Johnnay is just still
Speaker 1: going through the motions of how to deal with that.
Speaker 1: Watching them react, like it seemed like Beth was like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we're gonna work through it, like yeay, I'm partnered with
Speaker 1: a two time champ, and Johnny just like it didn't
Speaker 1: look like she had the same guy.
Speaker 2: I loved their their interviews because they couldn't be more opposite.
Speaker 2: She like, we can work together, and Johnny's like, we
Speaker 2: could absolutely not do this. Yeah, And you could see
Speaker 2: how how how un well, how different they were thinking,
Speaker 2: like they were on in two totally different books, in
Speaker 2: two different parts of the fucking library. I mean, they
Speaker 2: couldn't have been further apart. And I think Johnny is
Speaker 2: justified in how she feels, and you could see how
Speaker 2: Shane was. So I was uncomfortable for them because it
Speaker 2: was like we always say it, whether we want to
Speaker 2: or not, like personal shit, family stuff, stuff like that
Speaker 2: stays at home. You can say somebody's ugly, you can
Speaker 2: say somebody sucks. You can do whatever you want to
Speaker 2: do within the lines of within certain lines, and I
Speaker 2: think that this boundary for john A is kind of unforgivable.
Speaker 1: I can totally understand that, and I think watching it,
Speaker 1: it's going to be hard even you know, we'll get
Speaker 1: into the actual daily challenge more. But like watching them compete, No,
Speaker 1: it's okay, I got ahead of my self. No, I'm
Speaker 1: with you, Like, it's hard not to go there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm interested to see how they compete all season. You
Speaker 1: and Ashley, though, I want to talk about that. What, like,
Speaker 1: did you did you think she was going to be
Speaker 1: a rival, because I do think that there is this
Speaker 1: like I looked around.
Speaker 2: I looked around. Okay, I looked around. There are people
Speaker 2: I wish I would have fought with, like Frank, yeah,
Speaker 2: because I think that we would have been absolutely incredible together.
Speaker 2: We are hot heads, but I mean together, but we
Speaker 2: would have. I don't know. I was just really helping
Speaker 2: for that. But I looked around, and I'm like, who
Speaker 2: have I fought with? I'm like, okay, uh, FESSI, but
Speaker 2: we've already done that, right, and not in a rival's theme.
Speaker 2: I'm like Amber, But then I thought who could amberby with?
Speaker 2: And who could Fesci be? You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: So then yeah, but baby, when I tell you, I'm
Speaker 2: still shocked that it was Ashley.
Speaker 1: I think Ashley was more shocked that it was you.
Speaker 2: She I was so shocked. We were equally shocked, equally shocked.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I also wonder like if when Ashley
Speaker 1: was standing up there, like did she know or did
Speaker 1: she have an inkling that you know you were going
Speaker 1: to be her partner?
Speaker 2: No, neither one of us knew.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think we were the ultimate shock because we looked
Speaker 2: around like what the like, who could it be?
Speaker 1: I have I have a few more questions coming from
Speaker 1: a challenge perspective. You know, sometimes we have conversations and
Speaker 1: people try to figure out what the theme of the
Speaker 1: game is. Did anyone suspect it was rivals?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: Okay, so you had ideas because.
Speaker 2: We looked around and we had enough people that didn't
Speaker 2: like each other. Yeah, that had I mean you have
Speaker 2: Kelly Anne and Sylvia. You have Kelly Ann and Sylvia.
Speaker 2: I was looking at Ashley like absolutely, like I was
Speaker 2: going to gun.
Speaker 1: For yeah, of course, yeah, Nannie and Turvo.
Speaker 2: You know a lot, Yes, a lot of these people
Speaker 2: were gonna gun for each other. And it was so crazy.
Speaker 2: We ended up being paired, you know, like Big T
Speaker 2: was like, there's no way, and then we thought maybe
Speaker 2: Melissa could have been with Corey lay Like, there were
Speaker 2: all of these different ideas, but we tried to just
Speaker 2: you know, drink wine and dance and do karaoke.
Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, we have to take a quick break.
Speaker 1: We'll be right back after this. Okay, let's get back
Speaker 1: to the show, toy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, if you were on this season, who do you
Speaker 2: think your partner would be?
Speaker 1: Oh? Okay, okay, I think that, to be honest, my
Speaker 1: partner is not there. I think there I have one
Speaker 1: big major rival in the Challenge world.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you do.
Speaker 1: And her name rhymes with Schmashmanda, And I think I
Speaker 1: think that I probably would have been my partner had
Speaker 1: she been there. They asked me, you know this right,
Speaker 1: like they asked me to come. I was pulling in
Speaker 1: my driveway. Oh yeah, yeah yeah, and they said can
Speaker 1: you come? And I said, respectfully, I still have scurvy
Speaker 1: from treading water for three hours in the Philippines, So no, right,
Speaker 1: But I wonder, like I think they're like, I think
Speaker 1: I would have been in the same boat with you.
Speaker 1: I think me and Ashley could have been rivals. Considering
Speaker 1: I think we all kind of fell on opposite lines
Speaker 1: at some point in time, particularly during spies lies allies.
Speaker 1: So I think that's like, you know, there could be
Speaker 1: a rivalry there. But like I said, I am happy
Speaker 1: to not be there, happy to I.
Speaker 2: Wish you were. I wish you would have been.
Speaker 1: No, thank you, I'm there in spirit for you. I
Speaker 1: really want to know, though, like watching everybody line and
Speaker 1: get into their bedrooms. So, were you forced to sleep
Speaker 1: in a bunk with your rival? Yes, that's uh, that
Speaker 1: means somebody's fighting over the bottom bunk.
Speaker 2: No, I'll never you know me, tell me the last
Speaker 2: time you see me in a top bunk exactly because
Speaker 2: I don't. It's dangerous for a woman in my age.
Speaker 2: I told, I asked Ashley, I mean, respectfully, can you
Speaker 2: take the top? She was like, that's fine. There wasn't
Speaker 2: a fight about it at all. Like you saw Frank's like,
Speaker 2: do you mind if I take the bottom of my Frank.
Speaker 1: I mean I would have done the same thing, like
Speaker 1: sleeping on the top bunk sucks. I'm surprised big T
Speaker 1: got Corey Lay to take the top bunk.
Speaker 2: I know. Wait, and you know who's in the middle
Speaker 2: of Ashley and I and Frank and Sam who Dario
Speaker 2: and Ashley.
Speaker 1: Womp womp wom. Your room comes with the soundtrack and
Speaker 1: it goes bumped bow wow, it does.
Speaker 2: It comes with many a soundtrack. There are a lot
Speaker 2: of sounds from our room. Oh god, like what tell
Speaker 2: me of laughter? Oh? Sure of laughter of Sam? Is
Speaker 2: this your stuff right here? Crossing the line of my lectures?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Which rides to keep it clean? And Dario is one
Speaker 2: of the cleanest people I've ever experienced, which you know,
Speaker 2: I love that in a room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good, that's good.
Speaker 2: But yeah, me, him and Frank were on top of it.
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts on the conversation between Beth and
Speaker 1: john A. How authentic do you think it was? And
Speaker 1: what's your take on it? Because Johnny is like, you know,
Speaker 1: she doesn't trust the apology. A part of me read
Speaker 1: it as genuine. A part of me watched the clip
Speaker 1: and thought, I think Beth might be really sorry. So
Speaker 1: I want to know, like what it was like, what
Speaker 1: you think it was like in person?
Speaker 2: Well? All Stars four was filmed seventeen years ago, and
Speaker 2: because that's how long it felt like it took to air,
Speaker 2: so thinking about from the time they filmed it to
Speaker 2: now there are phones and or an email or a
Speaker 2: carrier pigeon or whatever. You could have reached out if
Speaker 2: you were really sorry. Yeah, I don't think it takes
Speaker 2: a TV show to show you where you're moral and
Speaker 2: accountability and all that other shit are. And this is
Speaker 2: no shade. I just I'm speaking in general for anyone.
Speaker 2: There's such a thing as a phone. I'm not waiting
Speaker 2: till I get I'll I'll reiterate said conversation on TV.
Speaker 2: But if I'm really sorry about something, I'll reach out
Speaker 2: to a person. So I think that it could have
Speaker 2: been done, maybe lessened lessen things for John ay a bit.
Speaker 2: I know that this is probably gonna be hard to
Speaker 2: watch back, you know, for probably all parties involved. You know,
Speaker 2: it's not the easiest thing.
Speaker 1: So it's so interesting. On the flip side of that,
Speaker 1: we have Turbo and Nanni, and Nanni was the one
Speaker 1: who cut off all communication and actually blocked Turbo, but
Speaker 1: then was the one who was then trying to invite
Speaker 1: a conversation between the two of them to keep the peace.
Speaker 1: So I see it. I see it right, I see it.
Speaker 1: Like of course, if you're really being genuine, you should
Speaker 1: probably reach out outside of the show. But also it's like, well,
Speaker 1: don't you we're both here already, don't you just want
Speaker 1: to try wash the beef because we have a common
Speaker 1: goal goal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but how would you feel like you were on
Speaker 2: you were on ride or eyes? How did you feel
Speaker 2: about the Nanni and Turbo situation? Then?
Speaker 1: No, I agree, I feel like Nannie is going out.
Speaker 1: I like watching the conversation always makes me really sad.
Speaker 1: Seeing Nanny cry like that makes me sad. I'm team
Speaker 1: Nanny all day, so me too. So I it's like
Speaker 1: that this stubbornness that like Turbo gives off it. He
Speaker 1: has a softness to him. I've experienced it, and there's
Speaker 1: been moments. There's been moments where I've like really enjoyed him,
Speaker 1: and then there's moments where it's like it feels very
Speaker 1: difficult to communicate with him because he does have such
Speaker 1: a he's very prideful. So it hurts me to see
Speaker 1: Nanni so sad when she's not able to communicate with somebody.
Speaker 1: I just want him to be like, you're right, Nanni,
Speaker 1: Like let's just put it behind us and work together
Speaker 1: because we can win.
Speaker 2: Right. Do you know how he is just a man
Speaker 2: full of pride. I mean I spend some time with
Speaker 2: Turbo on the on his favorite couch. You'll see later
Speaker 2: how he made that couches bitch. But you know, there
Speaker 2: are soft sides of him, like we did Spanish lessons
Speaker 2: together and like he worked out. There were he always
Speaker 2: said positive things. I just think that when he feels betrayed,
Speaker 2: even though he wasn't his best self on ridered eyes,
Speaker 2: I think that he may act, you know, he may
Speaker 2: just like turn just give you the cold shoulder.
Speaker 1: Mm hmm, yeah, you know, yeah, I mean it was
Speaker 1: it was really really tough to watch. And I think
Speaker 1: that the pairing between like Beth and Johanna and Turbo
Speaker 1: and Nannie, like there are a few people who are rivals,
Speaker 1: but I think they're going to like work through it
Speaker 1: with ease. Like Leroy and Devin, I think they're going
Speaker 1: to be very successful. And that's I'm happy to see
Speaker 1: them do so well, Like I want to see them thrive.
Speaker 1: And also Steven Adam, like they didn't have communication for
Speaker 1: a while, they're putting it behind them and they're crushing it.
Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, I think some people are
Speaker 1: going to do fine, but some people I think might
Speaker 1: end up struggling. I am curious, like, what were your
Speaker 1: who did you think Katie's partner was before she arrived?
Speaker 1: And what was your thoughts when Veronica showed up?
Speaker 2: So it could have been Steven? You know, so like
Speaker 2: we were thinking, you know, then who Adam's partner would
Speaker 2: have been? So like all those weird and then we're like,
Speaker 2: you know, you've only Katie've only really fault with one
Speaker 2: person like that.
Speaker 1: Ah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so we figured it was Veronica, but you know
Speaker 2: she always she always loves little grand entrance ye showing
Speaker 2: up fashionably late as you would say. So yeah, we
Speaker 2: pretty much knew, but we have to wait.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well, once once everybody arrived and we found out
Speaker 1: who Katie's partner was, it was time to do this challenge?
Speaker 1: Were you nervous to work with Ashley on this challenge?
Speaker 1: And I loved your strategy of making you the the
Speaker 1: the mud donkey, Like, how do.
Speaker 2: We want to describe the mud donkey?
Speaker 1: Mud donkey?
Speaker 2: So what's crazy is I lost both shoes. I did
Speaker 2: that whole challenge barefoot nice, I mean sunk in. There
Speaker 2: was one part where Ashley's leg was stuck and she
Speaker 2: didn't think she was gonna get it out, so we
Speaker 2: had to pull that out. And I think when when
Speaker 2: the whistle blows, like when TJ blows this, when the
Speaker 2: whistle blows, when TJ blows his horn, all of the
Speaker 2: other shit goes aside. I think Ashley and I have
Speaker 2: that in common, where like we kind of turn everything off. However,
Speaker 2: Ashley's been hungover and it's hot as hell, you know,
Speaker 2: a Vietnamese. So we're walking to put our mud in
Speaker 2: and she's throwing up inside of our thing, you know what.
Speaker 2: And I think anyone knows I'm afraid of vomit. However,
Speaker 2: one I'm getting better at it, and two I would
Speaker 2: have done anything to win, so I didn't give a shit.
Speaker 2: I'm like, baby, okay, yeah, but we see that, we
Speaker 2: see Leroy and Devin's strategy. So I was like, bitch,
Speaker 2: use my whole back, let's go like I'm bigger, like,
Speaker 2: let's just put everything on me and let's go.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So yeah, I wasn't nervous to do any of this
Speaker 2: with her. With the ice thing. She listened to me
Speaker 2: and we did really well. But if you see how
Speaker 2: this challenge goes, it's like if you see the Star Winners.
Speaker 2: Everybody has a guy on their team. I know.
Speaker 1: I was thinking that when you across and it's a
Speaker 1: size thing, being able to like have that much size,
Speaker 1: you can carry more mud.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I wasn't. I'm not a small woman though,
Speaker 2: so like my back in Devon's back though minus't as Harry.
Speaker 2: It's different and we weren't that far behind, you know,
Speaker 2: out of the ice. I only dropped it once. Wow,
Speaker 2: So it was like very We worked really well on
Speaker 2: listening to one another what I needed. We were very
Speaker 2: steady about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, which rival pair worked surprisingly well? In your mind?
Speaker 1: And I have an idea of who I want to say,
Speaker 1: but you go first.
Speaker 2: I think Big Ta and Corey Lay, Yeah, I agree
Speaker 2: really well together. And we were I think right next
Speaker 2: to them. I didn't realize how far ahead they were,
Speaker 2: and I think this is great. I mean, we know,
Speaker 2: you know, Big Teas you know, kind of hard on
Speaker 2: herself sometimes, and they are of I mean, she's so
Speaker 2: petite and he's so tall, and I mean they're they're
Speaker 2: very different, and they're coming from like a pretty big
Speaker 2: rivalry and for them to work that well together, it
Speaker 2: was just great to see that and I think that
Speaker 2: had they had won, I think that that would have
Speaker 2: made them very proud of themselves, but I definitely think
Speaker 2: it would have put a target on their back.
Speaker 1: Let's talk about Melissa and Cole. Oh my god, please.
Speaker 2: I love my girlfriend. I'm not gonna cheet on my
Speaker 2: gulf and you put a go of plastic tits. Come on,
Speaker 2: she's got plastic tits. First of all, they're like saline
Speaker 2: or silicone. But you know what, they're not plastic. It
Speaker 2: kills me. Nicole kills me every time.
Speaker 1: Dude, your impression of her is so good. It's too
Speaker 1: fucking good.
Speaker 2: I need more. She's like, oh, you want the bottom
Speaker 2: bunks leaping the bottom bunk, I want to sleep. It's
Speaker 2: it's the two of them. And like the subtitle twins, dude,
Speaker 2: it's just oh yeah, and the Cole I mean, and
Speaker 2: Melissa is a bombshell. Yeah, I'm so funny and scrappy.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't wait to see what this pair
Speaker 2: does in the future, you know.
Speaker 1: In the shower in the future, in the future, shower.
Speaker 2: In the future, pool the future, shower, the future whatever. Wow,
Speaker 2: I'm just kidding. I really don't know. But in the
Speaker 2: future what they're capable of on this challenge, both being
Speaker 2: very strong women. It's just they're both kind of stubborn,
Speaker 2: so it's gonna be it's gonna be interesting.
Speaker 1: I just know Nicole's track record. I mean, anybody who
Speaker 1: has social media has, you know, seen things posted. And
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything because no spoilers and I
Speaker 1: don't actually know anything because I wasn't there. But I'm
Speaker 1: just like, this isn't gonna some this is gonna get messy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was surprised by that first, uh, first interview. Yeah,
Speaker 2: she was like, here's my girlfriend, y'all. I'm with a
Speaker 2: bomb show a kid, and I'm.
Speaker 1: Like, wait, hold on, I feel bad for her girlfriend.
Speaker 2: It's like Nicole just gets in her own way, you know,
Speaker 2: she real, she just does.
Speaker 1: She shouldn't have a girlfriend.
Speaker 2: She can't help it. She's just so she's just so honest.
Speaker 1: Oh my god. I mean, she she has the thing
Speaker 1: about her is like it seems like she's very transparent,
Speaker 1: like she hides nothing.
Speaker 2: She's just like she doesn't know how to hide anything.
Speaker 1: She doesn't know how to hide anything. I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what that's what it seems. I really don't know where
Speaker 1: too well, But there's so many interesting pairings, Like I'm
Speaker 1: just I know, it's like, I know every dynamic is
Speaker 1: like rich with something.
Speaker 2: Right, But the fact that when people get back to
Speaker 2: the house, they're like splitting the money or stealing the
Speaker 2: money from your partner. Yeah, and we've done enough shows
Speaker 2: to know that, Like if you're thinking it, chances are
Speaker 2: someone else's mm hmm, Like do you think that's interesting
Speaker 2: that that was like the first topic of conversation back
Speaker 2: at the house. And what do you think that people
Speaker 2: are gonna do if they have the chance.
Speaker 1: I mean, I I think that's a normal place for
Speaker 1: the brain to go, like, oh, it's rivals. We've seen
Speaker 1: it done in the past. It's probably gonna happen again.
Speaker 1: And I think that if somebody shows you who they
Speaker 1: are one time, you just remember that's who they are.
Speaker 1: You know, if they've stolen money in the past, they're
Speaker 1: probably going to steal it again.
Speaker 2: Oh well, I am in good, I'm in luck. Well,
Speaker 2: you know what.
Speaker 1: The first the first it's like that just seems like
Speaker 1: a problem you have to worry about when you get there,
Speaker 1: because before you get there, you have to get there.
Speaker 1: So it's like whatever you have to do to hopefully
Speaker 1: be in a position where that decision is now in
Speaker 1: your hands.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Fine.
Speaker 1: It's got to be nerve wracking, though, like knowing that
Speaker 1: you're playing with somebody that at some point in time
Speaker 1: might do the ultimate betrayal. In my mind, that's the
Speaker 1: ultimate betrayal because that money contributes to your livelihood, your family,
Speaker 1: all of the things that you want to spend it on.
Speaker 1: Like stealing money from somebody, like, that's some that's some
Speaker 1: mean shit, especially.
Speaker 2: When you've worked hard all season to like get beyond
Speaker 2: your shit. It's one thing if like you're terrible to
Speaker 2: one another the whole season, yeah, maybe that could contribute
Speaker 2: to you stealing it. But like if you work really
Speaker 2: hard together, I just I can't imagine stealing.
Speaker 1: No, yeah, I also can't. But then again, I don't know.
Speaker 1: If I was with a partner who stole, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe it would be a question. Maybe I would consider it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 1: You don't know until you get there.
Speaker 2: I think it's like it is hard. Yeah, I will
Speaker 2: say it does. It does float through the brain for me.
Speaker 2: I'd probably share, yeah, but then I'm like because karma. Yeah,
Speaker 2: but I'm also thinking like, well, if that person, if
Speaker 2: I'm questioning if my partner is going to share it,
Speaker 2: split it with me, it kind of influences your decision
Speaker 2: whether you're going to share it with them. I mean,
Speaker 2: it's just one of those things. I mean, you can't
Speaker 2: help but to think that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, are there any like behind the scenes that we
Speaker 1: didn't see? I know, like there was like probably moments
Speaker 1: in the hotel prior or there's like I.
Speaker 2: Will tell you that. Oh well the hotel. I'm surprised
Speaker 2: we didn't get kicked out. I mean it was a
Speaker 2: big ta was like and we should do karaoke. I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh god, big tea. It's two am. We drank a
Speaker 2: lot of red wine. But we had a good time.
Speaker 2: One thing, So our gym's on the third floor of
Speaker 2: the house, well technically the fourth whatever the hell you
Speaker 2: want to call it.
Speaker 1: Beautiful house, by the way, way better than the castle.
Speaker 2: And don't you fucking worry. We look over and you
Speaker 2: can see the castle from the house.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 2: No. Yeah, I was like, fuck you castle? How because
Speaker 2: it's down street?
Speaker 1: But like I feel like from the castle then we
Speaker 1: would have seen this like building.
Speaker 2: Remember when we'd go over that bridge and there'd be
Speaker 2: that little body of water right there. Yeah, yeah, right
Speaker 2: down the street from the house. Literally wild. So we
Speaker 2: took boats into our house, coming through the back, and
Speaker 2: then when we got there, I realized that that little
Speaker 2: bridgey thing that we went under, I'm like, oh shit,
Speaker 2: that's to the castle for Bettle of the Airs.
Speaker 1: And you were like, I'm back in Vietnam, baby, right
Speaker 1: up the street.
Speaker 2: And that the arena was the same arena. But I
Speaker 2: think you knew that by looking at it.
Speaker 1: All Right, we have to take a quick break. We'll
Speaker 1: be right back after this.
Speaker 2: Okay, let's get back to the show.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about how Devin said Dario's breath smells.
Speaker 2: That looked interesting, like when somebody's about to rumble, Like
Speaker 2: two dudes are like, yo, fuck you, d your breast smells.
Speaker 2: I'm like, you know what, ooh you got it.
Speaker 1: Well, it's just like it's just like such like I
Speaker 1: just feel like that is an ultimate insult. If somebody
Speaker 1: said that to me, I'm like, oh damn, really like shit.
Speaker 2: And it's crazy because Dario is like the cleanest. He
Speaker 2: uses lotion and he smells great, so like maybe he
Speaker 2: had a weird lunch. I never remember shout out to Daria.
Speaker 2: I mean, Devin's a close friend of mine. I'm trying
Speaker 2: to tell you. Dario is so funny and I really
Speaker 2: really am fond of him. I mean, he's really a
Speaker 2: funny guy.
Speaker 1: He is a funny guy. I did Dirty thirty with
Speaker 1: him and it's been a long time since he's been
Speaker 1: back on the screen.
Speaker 2: No funnier than that. He's funnier than Dirty thirty. Yeah,
Speaker 2: he was done on Dirty thirty. I'm just sorry, but
Speaker 2: he's grown into it, like I think, because there's so
Speaker 2: many different personalities and he was younger then.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: That like it's overwhelming to be in a house with
Speaker 2: us if you're new. Yeah, once you have your own path.
Speaker 2: Like darro Is said in Life, like he's doing something
Speaker 2: he loves, he's making money, he's independent. Now he's like,
Speaker 2: fuck it, I'm gonna show my personality and he's I
Speaker 2: mean hilarious. I'd a blast.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to see if it translates on the screen.
Speaker 1: As of right now, the clips that we got from
Speaker 1: him and Ashley were pretty funny, you know, like him
Speaker 1: saying that she wants a strong man, but he keeps
Speaker 1: telling me she keeps telling me to and then like
Speaker 1: listen to the audio and like that is literally she's
Speaker 1: like sh but so softly. I know, right, she's like
Speaker 1: talking to snow. It's like it's like as if you're
Speaker 1: talking to her daughter.
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, she definitely does that.
Speaker 1: I'm really interested to know, like what other parts of
Speaker 1: the preview did. What other part of the previews stood
Speaker 1: out to you aside from the Dario breath.
Speaker 2: I will say Frank admitting that Frank is still shady
Speaker 2: is hilarious. And I have a feeling there's going to
Speaker 2: be a montage of like that and that wherever that
Speaker 2: comes from that interview that he's just like, Frank is
Speaker 2: a he's a gamer. He is he also is a
Speaker 2: complete athlete, oh and so competitive. And I feel like,
Speaker 2: and we know, doing these games, it's not all about
Speaker 2: being athletic. It's not all about who's the strongest. Sometimes
Speaker 2: your house play and your gameplay really will get you far.
Speaker 2: So I can't wait to see what he has up
Speaker 2: his sleeve. I am so interested in that. I want
Speaker 2: to see how Shane and Davon that I think.
Speaker 1: Shout out to Davon for going back because we were
Speaker 1: wondering is she going to actually do it? And she
Speaker 1: did it. And let me just say, every time Davon's
Speaker 1: faces on the screen and her smile is so pretty,
Speaker 1: like she her smile is just beautiful, so funny.
Speaker 2: She was like, the Lord has saved me and I
Speaker 2: will not. She's like, I need holy water, I need
Speaker 2: the Holy Bible.
Speaker 1: I need not they Bye.
Speaker 2: She needed all of the thing, Yeah, she said, anybody
Speaker 2: from any denominating I need you. Yeah, any all of
Speaker 2: your all of your books, all of your prayer. Amen.
Speaker 1: I'm excited for Davon. And also I just want to
Speaker 1: go back to Frank really quick. Can we just talk
Speaker 1: about how he looks like he is in the best
Speaker 1: shape of his life, like he always amazing, amazing, he's
Speaker 1: so hot, smoke show, so hot, absolute smoke show. And
Speaker 1: his husband like so hot, so hot.
Speaker 2: What the fuck his husband left him? He asked for
Speaker 2: Like Frank's like, so if I get in any fights,
Speaker 2: like I need some like insults so his husband, Oh
Speaker 2: my god, what chat DBT is it?
Speaker 1: Chat GTP? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Whatever the fuck it is? Chat whatever generated chat stuff
Speaker 2: came up with like ten things and ones like go
Speaker 2: pound sand and the other one Yeah. Yeah, they were
Speaker 2: very soft insults, but like it became it became the thing.
Speaker 2: We're like, you know what, you could just go pound Sand, dude,
Speaker 2: And that's how wonderful his husband is.
Speaker 1: That is so epic, Like it's so not challenges. The
Speaker 1: challenge you go like below the belt, like we're like,
Speaker 1: you know, you ruin people's lives, which I don't condone,
Speaker 1: by the way, but like it's just the nature of
Speaker 1: what people have done on the show. And Frank's coming
Speaker 1: in with chat GTP. You can go pound Sand.
Speaker 2: There are nine other and I'm sure we'll be interviewing
Speaker 2: Frank at some point and I will. I feel like
Speaker 2: maybe each time we podcast, I will give everybody one line.
Speaker 2: You can really stick it to them. Yeah, so get
Speaker 2: lost one of my favorites, get lost buddy telling somebody
Speaker 2: to get lost, get lost? Oh my god, have you
Speaker 2: never heard that?
Speaker 1: Yeah, but just think about it, like actually, like somebody's
Speaker 1: telling you.
Speaker 2: To literally go somewhere and you don't find your way back.
Speaker 1: It's just so funny if you really think about it,
Speaker 1: like go get lost, Like you want me to drive
Speaker 1: without my GPS and get lot?
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And we used to do that back in
Speaker 2: our day, all stars all have driven without GPS.
Speaker 1: Oh no, my, you had map quests.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we printed the fuck outs.
Speaker 1: You had a Tom Tom and map quest. You were fine.
Speaker 2: I'm so done. You are living, like make a right
Speaker 2: at that McDonald's. That was before map Quest make a left.
Speaker 2: We knew street names then.
Speaker 1: Yeah. See, that's why if I ever do Around the
Speaker 1: World show that where you compete to win what's it
Speaker 1: called again, amazing Race? If I ever do an amazing race,
Speaker 1: you are my partner because you are a walking map
Speaker 1: Quest Anissa.
Speaker 2: Wait, but I want to do amazing race with you.
Speaker 2: So if anyone's listening out there, yeah, Tory and I
Speaker 2: would love to do amazing Race. I think we'd be
Speaker 2: a great pair, have a lot of fun, a lot
Speaker 2: of laughs, and hopefully never get lost.
Speaker 1: And you know what, if we can't do that, Anissa,
Speaker 1: I think we should just be rivals so that way
Speaker 1: we can come back on a rival season and actually
Speaker 1: just be partners. Yeah, go kick rocks, Anisa, Go.
Speaker 2: Pound pound Santorian and get lost.
Speaker 1: All right, who do you think you're Let's get into
Speaker 1: who we think the all star of the episode is
Speaker 1: the person who stood out to us the most.
Speaker 2: Ah the person and I, but not the pair.
Speaker 1: I think it could be pair. I think it could
Speaker 1: be either.
Speaker 2: I will say Nanni and Turbo for me to go from,
Speaker 2: because we see all the other pairs, we don't really
Speaker 2: dive into them yet, but we see how emotionally invested
Speaker 2: Nannie isn't winning. You know, we've seen how close she's gotten.
Speaker 2: We see what she's been through in the past, you know,
Speaker 2: just getting over things, and it's she wants to win
Speaker 2: badly and she's willing to do whatever to get there
Speaker 2: with her partner. Going from being so emotional to going
Speaker 2: there and kicking ass, both of them putting their differences aside. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I think was pretty a pretty powerful moment. So I'm
Speaker 2: happy that they got that done and hopefully continues for them.
Speaker 1: I totally agree, and like, I think, out of like
Speaker 1: all of the pairs, they really are going to have
Speaker 1: some an uphill battle with communicating. So like, whereas if
Speaker 1: I think some of the other pairs are like you know,
Speaker 1: Adam and Steve, they're there for the money and they're
Speaker 1: going to do whatever they have to do to win,
Speaker 1: I think Turbo and Nannie are definitely going to struggle,
Speaker 1: so it was like really good to see them work together.
Speaker 1: I do want to say I think that Steve and Adam,
Speaker 1: the way they carried the ice, I feel like that
Speaker 1: deserves you all star of the episode. They had such
Speaker 1: a good technique and they dominated.
Speaker 2: Their technique was fire. It really worked well.
Speaker 1: Sorry, my brain drifted away and I started to think
Speaker 1: about how Adam said to Steve, like, I'm looking at
Speaker 1: your balls. You're looking at my balls, and I am
Speaker 1: not kidding. I think I don't think he realized what
Speaker 1: he said. I think some people do jokes like that
Speaker 1: on purpose, Like that was to me, not a joke,
Speaker 1: to be honest.
Speaker 2: When you're carrying a gurney, you're looking at their balls,
Speaker 2: They're looking at your balls. You know, it's the only
Speaker 2: time we're going to see a set of quad balls
Speaker 2: like that.
Speaker 1: That's so true, Oh so funny.
Speaker 2: Shout out to Adam and Steve's balls.
Speaker 1: Okay, on the opposite side, which challenger or challenge pair
Speaker 1: were you most confused by this episode?
Speaker 2: I don't know where Nicole and I don't know where
Speaker 2: Nicole and Melissa were. Did you see them?
Speaker 1: No, I didn't see that.
Speaker 2: I'm still wondering if they finished or at least got
Speaker 2: out of the mud. I feel like, are they still
Speaker 2: playing in the mud. They're playing in the mud still, Yeah,
Speaker 2: those girls.
Speaker 1: You know what I gotta say, I'm most puzzled by
Speaker 1: this statement, and I have to call it out because
Speaker 1: we've seen it on the trailer. So, and you're my
Speaker 1: best friend, and I just want to know why you're
Speaker 1: considered to pick me girl, And friends of everyone are
Speaker 1: friends of no one when you, in fact, are not
Speaker 1: friends with everyone.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I have a lot of things to say
Speaker 2: about a lot of people. I just choose the peaceful
Speaker 2: route because it does does it wayh heavy on my soul.
Speaker 2: I just don't give a shit enough to have that
Speaker 2: many enemies.
Speaker 1: Well, like, I think it's really hard to say, like
Speaker 1: a friend of everyone is a friend of no one
Speaker 1: and say that you're friends with everyone when you're literally
Speaker 1: on a season of rivals, so you're literally there with
Speaker 1: someone you're not a friend with. It's a it's a
Speaker 1: it's a it's a contradictory. It's a statement old to
Speaker 1: be a contradiction, and it left me puzzled. I'm like,
Speaker 1: it doesn't make sense. It's a it's a hard thing
Speaker 1: to say.
Speaker 2: About someone when you're I'm friendly. But I also am
Speaker 2: there with FESSI, I'm there with Amber, I'm.
Speaker 1: There, I mean yeah, Beth, Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean I'm here. I'm there with a lot of
Speaker 2: people that don't talk to all the time. I mean
Speaker 2: there aren't And and people knew where I stood, you know,
Speaker 2: Like I came in. Everyone knew that, like Devin and
Speaker 2: I were close, Like I knew that I'd be working
Speaker 2: with him. People knew that Frank and I are really close,
Speaker 2: So like there was no surprise in who I was
Speaker 2: gonna work with. And I had more friendships, And to
Speaker 2: be honest, that probably would have been more helpful than
Speaker 2: not having any friendships with anyone. So for me, like
Speaker 2: I don't mind finding making connections with people. I find
Speaker 2: it to be exhilarating, but I also find it to
Speaker 2: be kind of fucking exhausting. So no, I'm not friends
Speaker 2: with everyone, and I'm definitely not a pick me girl.
Speaker 2: My life is fine the way it is. I know
Speaker 2: who my friends are. But if anyone knows my love languages,
Speaker 2: they know that taking care of people, whether I like
Speaker 2: them or not, kind of sends me over the moon.
Speaker 2: So I have the things that make my soul thrive.
Speaker 2: But I already know who I am. This is just
Speaker 2: the extra extra points, not points, but extra like, you know,
Speaker 2: extra stuff for me. Like I don't really, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I don't need to be chosen because, believe me, I've
Speaker 2: definitely been a last pick. I've been no matter how
Speaker 2: nice I am, there's always someone who's going to doubt
Speaker 2: someone like it doesn't doesn't matter, So I'm not. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was troubled by that too, Like I've never you know,
Speaker 2: I've never been seen as like a pick me girl,
Speaker 2: So that was a very interesting choice of words.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I am also really I mean, I think
Speaker 1: you're a conflict resolution queen, as you mentioned, and like
Speaker 1: you know, we've seen in the trailer that there's gonna
Speaker 1: be moments where you know, you're crying and working through
Speaker 1: some really hard things, and so I think that it's
Speaker 1: going to be really really interesting to watch the season.
Speaker 1: I'm happy I get to do it with you by
Speaker 1: my side and holding hands virtually over over a podcast.
Speaker 2: So I'm glad. I'm glad that you're holding my hand. Okay,
Speaker 2: I need you to hold my body while we watched this.
Speaker 1: Dude, we are we're gonna watch it and we're going
Speaker 1: to get through it, and I'm so excited to watch
Speaker 1: this entire season. So thank you guys for listening to
Speaker 1: the Official Challenge podcast.
Speaker 2: We're back.
Speaker 1: I know there's a bunch of other Challenge podcasts out there,
Speaker 1: but we are the official one. Okay, We're the one
Speaker 1: with the banner and time Square, We're the one on
Speaker 1: the commercials. We have funding me, but please thank you
Speaker 1: so much for tuning in. And Anissa, where can people
Speaker 1: follow you and support you and send you some extra
Speaker 1: love during the season?
Speaker 2: Hold on, hello? Oh thank you. That's my FedEx guy Paul.
Speaker 2: He's so nice. You can follow me like the FedEx
Speaker 2: guy does know? You can follow me on Instagram still,
Speaker 2: because you know what, Twitter X whatever. I still don't
Speaker 2: mess with you like that. I don't. Yeah, Anissa MTV
Speaker 2: on Instagram, That's where I am. That's where I will be.
Speaker 2: I'm also on Snapchat, a steph one, Underscore one, I'm
Speaker 2: around Torri. Where can they follow you and send you
Speaker 2: love and support your endeavors?
Speaker 1: Well, guys, I'm so excited to be doing this podcast,
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