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Speaker 1: The Charlie Kirk Show starts now.

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Speaker 2: The Supreme Court just cleared the way for Trump to

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Speaker 2: deport illegals even faster.

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Speaker 1: The High Court rule that Trump.

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Speaker 2: Can use the Alien Enemies Act to send Venezuelan gangbangers

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Speaker 2: to a mega prison.

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Speaker 1: In El Salvador.

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Speaker 3: This is a massive legal victory, Jesse.

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Speaker 4: Just before nine thirty last night, on that Blue Line train,

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Speaker 4: Chicago police tell us a twenty six year old woman

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Speaker 4: got into an argument with the man that police believe.

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Speaker 1: Is forty five years old.

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Speaker 4: That argument turned physical, and at some point he threw

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Speaker 4: liquid onto that woman and set her on fire. The

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Speaker 4: man took off running Now she was able to make

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Speaker 4: it out of the train than she collapsed. Police say

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Speaker 4: the fire was put out before the fire department got there.

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Speaker 4: She was rushed here to Strojer in critical condition.

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Speaker 5: This is Laurence Read's most recent booking photo.

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Speaker 1: The latest in a long string of lockups.

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Speaker 5: We found forty nine arrests, including ten felony cases and

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Speaker 5: an active aggravated battery case from August, in which Reid

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Speaker 5: was accused of hitting a social worker at McNeil Psychiatric Hospital,

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Speaker 5: causing loss of consciousness to er visits and lasting memory issues, headaches,

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Speaker 5: and daily nausea.

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Speaker 3: We have always maintained the position at the White House

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Speaker 3: that the President was well within his constitutional authority to

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Speaker 3: do so, and this decision proves that President Trump in

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Speaker 3: our administration have always been right from the beginning. He

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Speaker 3: will continue to utilize the Alien Enemies Act to remove

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Speaker 3: foreign terrorists and trendy Aragua members, vicious gang members from

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Speaker 3: American communities. And because of this ruling, the United States

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Speaker 3: of America is a much safer place. Our team we'll

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Speaker 3: get to work tomorrow to deport these heinous, violent foreign

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Speaker 3: terrorists from our neighborhoods.

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Speaker 4: I hope that we're going to be able to have

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Speaker 4: a healthcare where Lindsey and I were discussing it, Jim

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Speaker 6: Discussing, and Katie we discussed it.

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Speaker 2: We want a healthcare system where we paid the money

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Speaker 2: to the people instead.

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Speaker 6: Of the insurance companies.

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Speaker 2: And I tell you we're going to be working on

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Speaker 6: Where the people get the money.

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Speaker 7: We're talking about trillions and trillions of dollars, where the

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Speaker 7: people get the money.

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Speaker 8: When you add up federal spending, when you add up Medicare, Medicaid,

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Speaker 8: what Social Security payments go to healthcare, the military expenditure

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Speaker 8: on healthcare, the interest.

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Speaker 6: On the debt for healthcare.

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Speaker 8: It's fifty percent of US spending. We spend four times

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Speaker 8: more than European countries per capita on healthcare, and we

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Speaker 8: are living seven years less. That point was made again

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Speaker 8: and again and again, and you have right now the

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Speaker 8: Democrats looking at that and saying, all we need to

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Speaker 8: do is give more money to insurance companies. All we

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Speaker 8: need to do is put more money into this broken system.

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Speaker 7: People are not going to be able to walk throw

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Speaker 7: there their insurance. I don't think even with subsidies, they're

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Speaker 7: going to be able to afford the premiums that are

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Speaker 7: hyping up one hundred, two hundred and three hundred percent

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Speaker 9: No, well, not without the universal I mean that's affordable care.

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Speaker 10: But unfortunately Democrats blew the opportunity the American people gave them.

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Speaker 10: We took their mandate and put all of our focus

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Speaker 10: on the wrong problem, health care reform.

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Speaker 11: So when we say that Democrats are communists, don't we

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Speaker 11: don't just mean that while they believe in the state

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Speaker 11: control of property, we mean, they've adopted a method of

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Speaker 11: thinking in which any use of force is justified for

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Speaker 11: their end state of power and control. They don't believe

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Speaker 11: in systems, they don't believe in rules, they don't believe

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Speaker 11: in laws. They believe in whatever keeps them empower while.

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Speaker 12: They matter and they're important.

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Speaker 1: I think these debates should happen.

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Speaker 12: They should happen in podcasts, and they should happen in

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Speaker 12: the media. They should happen on the op ed pages.

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Speaker 12: It's totally reasonable for the people who make up this

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Speaker 12: what our specific tax policy should be, what our housing

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Speaker 12: policy should be. I mean, I had a meeting just

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Speaker 12: yesterday that was focused in the West Wing about how

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Speaker 12: do we get housing more affordable for young Americans because

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Speaker 12: of all the things that got completely out of control

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Speaker 12: under the Biden administration.

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Speaker 1: We've got to.

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Speaker 12: Solve that problem for our young people so they can

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Speaker 12: afford to buy homes, start families, and actually build their

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Speaker 1: So I think my attitude is let these debates play out.

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Speaker 1: But don't let the debates.

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Speaker 12: That we're having internally blind us to the fact that

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Speaker 12: we're up against a radical leftist movement that murdered my

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Speaker 12: friend a couple of months ago, and that would throw

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Speaker 12: many people in the Trump administration in prison, not for

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Speaker 12: doing anything illegal, but for not following the far left agenda.

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Speaker 13: Every day is a battle for your mind, raging information

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Speaker 13: coming from every angle, but the will to the sieve,

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Speaker 13: fear not. You found the place for truth, the voice

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Speaker 13: and a generation that still has the will to believe

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Speaker 13: in the greatest country in the history of the world.

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Speaker 1: This is the Charlie Kirk Show. Fuck a lot, here

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Speaker 1: we go on. All right, Welcome to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 14: I'm Andrew Colevett, executive producer of this fine show, joined

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Speaker 14: by Blake Neff, another one of the producers around here.

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Speaker 1: Blake, good morning to you. Morning we are. We're going to.

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Speaker 14: Start today's show with a Charlie Kirk prediction that has

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Speaker 14: come to pass.

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Speaker 1: It seems.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, we saw this and we know there's a lot

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Speaker 15: going on, but we really wanted.

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Speaker 1: To flag this. I think people would like it.

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Speaker 15: Yes, it gets out a lot of what made people

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Speaker 15: love Charlie so much, which was he was always focused

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Speaker 15: on the future, on building the coalition, on finding the

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Speaker 15: common ground, on beating the real bad guys, which is

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Speaker 15: the insane communist, anti civilization left that wants to destroy.

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Speaker 14: Us all the Red Green Alliance, which is what he

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Speaker 14: was focused on at the end of his life, and

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Speaker 14: we will remain focused on because it remains the key threat,

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Speaker 14: I believe to the future of our civilization. There's many threats,

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Speaker 14: but that is the key one. And of course the

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Speaker 14: prediction that we are referring to is the re reunion,

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Speaker 14: the reuniting of Elon Musk and President Donald Trump, which

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Speaker 14: took place last night officially at a black tied dinner

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Speaker 14: at the White House that was honoring Mohammed ben Salmon.

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Speaker 1: I guess they're not. Yeah, so are we have a

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Speaker 1: state visit dinner? Yeah.

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Speaker 15: We had a state visit of the Saudi Crown prince

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Speaker 15: to their first state visit and I think seven years,

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Speaker 15: announcing more investments of Saudi oil money into the United States,

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Speaker 15: some strategic partnerships there. This is of course part of

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Speaker 15: his broader push to also bring peace to the Middle East.

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Speaker 15: But Elon Musk was there because Elon Musk is apparently

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Speaker 15: in Saudi Arabia.

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Speaker 1: Don't need to get into all of that.

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Speaker 15: The point is it was the first time Musk was

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Speaker 14: So well in June twenty twenty five is where the

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Speaker 14: feud really took off. And of course Elon invested about

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Speaker 14: three hundred million dollars into the election of President Trump

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Speaker 14: in twenty twenty four he headed up the DOGE Office

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Speaker 14: of Government Efficiency in the White House.

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Speaker 1: Then they had this bitter public feud.

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Speaker 15: It waitiful bill. He said it was too much spending.

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Speaker 15: He said it was. He basically said it was a dastard.

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Speaker 15: He said Trump would be in the Epstein files. He

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Speaker 15: was saying lots of pretty low blows and stuff. He

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Speaker 15: ended up deleting that one. Yes, and he admitted it

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Speaker 15: all blowing up. I remember the day it happened, we

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Speaker 15: normal night for it, but if it wasn't, we may

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Speaker 15: that was June fifth, and during that show, Charlie made

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Speaker 15: this prediction.

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Speaker 1: Let's play clip two forty one. Donald Trump's in a feud.

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Speaker 9: Men fight, big news, big deal, Get over it, focus

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Speaker 9: on the policies, focus on the victories, and they will continue.

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Speaker 1: It's all gonna be okay again.

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Speaker 16: I will say, right here, you can mark it down

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Speaker 16: by Christmas. Maybe before that there will be like a

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Speaker 16: surprise Elon Musk comes for dinner. It comes for dessert

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Speaker 16: at mar A Lago. You know leaked New York Times

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Speaker 16: Elon Musk spotted at mar A Lago.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, if you.

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Speaker 15: Nail that one, I I guess I'll just be really impressed.

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Speaker 17: I could be wrong.

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Speaker 16: I'm just saying, by Christmas, don't be shocked.

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Speaker 1: Well, here we are. It's not even Thanksgiving.

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Speaker 14: My favorite part of that is you chiming in. By

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Speaker 14: the way, I barely recognized you. I've got a pretty

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Speaker 15: I love that you have to chime and be like,

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Speaker 15: And I'm really impressed. I am really impressed. And another

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Speaker 15: have already realized, and you know, we mentioned leaked to

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Speaker 15: York Times two days ago, and they say, quote September

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Speaker 15: appeared to be a turning point in mister Muck's Musk's

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Speaker 15: relationship with mister Trump. Musk said that he had been

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Speaker 1: He sent one of his aides in his place.

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Speaker 15: But then mister Musk approached mister Trump at the memorial

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Speaker 15: service for Charlie Kirk. They had an animated conversation for

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Speaker 15: several minutes.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we're seeing it there.

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Speaker 15: That conversation they had that was captured on television. Mister Musk,

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Speaker 15: who friends say was very emotionally affected by mister Kirk's depth,

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Speaker 15: posted a picture online of the exchange. That image of

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Speaker 15: that exchange.

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Speaker 1: I believe it got I think, he said, for Charlie.

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Speaker 15: And I think it got seventy six million views there

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Speaker 15: for Charlie.

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Speaker 1: Yep, seventy six million. So I just like that picture.

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Speaker 14: I remember I was back at the memorial and I

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Speaker 14: somebody showed me a picture of them, and I posted

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Speaker 14: and I said, I hope that they're looking at each other,

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Speaker 14: saying for Charlie and about an hour later, Musk tweeted

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Speaker 14: that for Charlie and I I can't prove it, but

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Speaker 14: I like to think that Elon saw that tweet and thought,

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Speaker 14: you know what, let's do it. Yeah, And it makes

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Speaker 14: my heart happy because I knew, I know, and you

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Speaker 15: Yes, And it's not that they're aligned on everything, it's

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Speaker 15: that it's what Charlie would care about.

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Speaker 1: It's being aligned on the core things. He said.

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Speaker 15: There was another bid he did in July when they

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Speaker 15: were still fighting, and he said, I think they're going

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Speaker 15: to realize that they maybe disagree on spending, they may

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Speaker 15: disagree on particulars of immigration policy. And this was you know,

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Speaker 15: Musk was talking about starting his own party, running third party,

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Speaker 15: and he said, I think Musk will realize that if

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Speaker 15: I just allow Zoron Mamdani or these other radical left

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Speaker 15: not get any of the changes I want on spending,

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Speaker 14: So Elon Musk and President Donald Trump are reunited.

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Speaker 1: I think this is a very good sign.

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Speaker 14: I just took this as a personal sign, Blake, because

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Speaker 14: But then you it just depends on the day. There's

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Speaker 1: And on and on it goes.

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Speaker 14: Women don't feel safe, Traffic is terrible, healthcare is too expensive.

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Speaker 14: That's a big one, a very big one. Welfare spending

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Speaker 14: can't afford a house. And it ends with there are

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Speaker 14: tens of millions of criminal legals in our country, many problems.

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Speaker 1: A simple answer, and.

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Speaker 15: It really is for so many of them, healthcare expensive.

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Speaker 15: There's this entire shadow world of millions of people where

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Speaker 15: show up at an emergency room, get treated, blow off

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Speaker 15: any payment, attempt, never often, never give your name, and oh,

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Speaker 15: I was just paid for by taxpayers, and they get obviously,

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Speaker 15: they blowed up the housing market, they do so many things,

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Speaker 15: and yeah, there's a simple switch. Have the criminal illegals

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Speaker 1: Yep.

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Speaker 14: And by the way, there's another piece to this where

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Speaker 14: they get all mad at the criminal raids or these

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Speaker 1: And there's a very simple solution to this.

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Speaker 14: Democrats, if you don't like the raids on the streets,

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Speaker 14: cooperate with ice. When you pull these people over and

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Speaker 14: you've got them in custody already, hand them over when

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Speaker 14: there's a detainer.

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Speaker 1: It's as simple as that.

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Speaker 14: If you don't want ice raiding your streets, cooperate with

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Speaker 14: them in the safety of your own confines custody.

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Speaker 1: We'll be right back.

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Speaker 18: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break. I'm

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Speaker 18: Terrence Bates. Now that President Trump has signed the bill

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Speaker 18: on Jeffrey Epstein, the DOJ has thirty days to comply.

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Speaker 18: The trove of documents should include all files and communications

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Speaker 18: related to the disgrace child predator, as well as any

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Speaker 18: information about the investigation into his death. Some information about

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Speaker 18: cannot withhold information due to quote embarrassment, reputational harm, or

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Speaker 18: political sensitivity. A federal judge who was reviewed the case

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Speaker 18: says there are about one hundred thousand pages to release.

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Speaker 18: Taking the True Social After signing the bill, President Trump

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Speaker 18: began naming names and pointing fingers at Democrats who were

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Speaker 18: associates of Epstein. In this True Social post, he writes,

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Speaker 18: quote Democrat figures such as Bill Clinton, who was on

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Speaker 18: been let go from various boards, including Harvard Sleezbag, political

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Speaker 18: activist Reed Hoffman, minority leader Hakim Jeffries, who he says

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Speaker 18: many more. Perhaps the truth about these democrats and their

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Speaker 18: Voldemir Zelinsky meeting with the US Army delegation in Ukraine today.

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Speaker 18: The meeting comes as the Trump administration is out with

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Speaker 17: Russia and Ukraine.

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Speaker 18: The agreement would reportedly see Ukraine give up some of

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Speaker 18: President Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff, along with Vice President JD. Van,

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Speaker 18: Russian missiles and drones just killed at least twenty five

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Speaker 18: check of your headlines. As always, we appreciate having you

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Speaker 18: along for the ride. Now back to the Charlie Kirkshow.

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Speaker 1: And on fire for the preservation of our nation.

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Speaker 14: All right, we're about to get into turning point action

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Speaker 14: with Tyler Boyer and redistricting.

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Speaker 1: So we've got a lot there.

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Speaker 14: Send us your questions Freedom at Charliekirk dot com, Freedom

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Speaker 14: want to tell you about Hillsdale College, history, economics, great

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Speaker 14: today than they've ever been because they explain how tyrannical

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Speaker 1: These these novels go really deep in this. So maybe you.

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Speaker 14: Read these books in school, maybe you've heard others talk

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Speaker 14: we're talking about redistricting. This is a fight that's going

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Speaker 14: people are unaware of it. I mean, we hear about

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Speaker 14: Prop fifty in California and the Texas redistrict and fight

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Speaker 14: that are really important.

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Speaker 1: Give us the update. Where do we stand right now?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, Andrew, it's been actually crazy in the background right

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Speaker 19: now because there's a lot of states that are wholly

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Speaker 19: So as a recap for everyone Gavin Newsom, we know

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Speaker 19: they just passed the prop for redistricting. They're going to

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Speaker 19: take away essentially five plus Republican seats off the table

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Speaker 19: pretty clearly. And the only way that you can combat

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Speaker 19: that is with our big Republican states and then a

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Speaker 19: And this is all important because remember Gavin is doing

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Speaker 19: so everything's interconnected, it's all it's all possible right now, Indiana,

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Speaker 19: who has Republican state senators and districts that Trump won

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Speaker 19: by twenty to thirty points that are are pushing back

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Speaker 19: on redistricting to gain net two seats. So Indiana, you know,

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Speaker 19: a solid through and through red state plan map if

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Speaker 19: you map it out very fairly, very squarely for that.

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Speaker 19: But because of the way the process that redistricting works

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Speaker 19: on and everybody that's a listening needs to become very

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Speaker 19: familiar with this terminology majority minority districts. So what the

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Speaker 19: Democrats have been doing now for many decades is they've

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Speaker 19: been pushing this concept through lawfare of remapping every state

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Speaker 19: jerrymander districts to include populations that have their large populations

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Speaker 19: in your state of minority community.

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Speaker 1: Hispanic This is the Voting Rights Act.

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Speaker 19: This is the Voting Rights Act argument that's being discussed.

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Speaker 19: We won't probably get into the details of it now,

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Speaker 19: the next year. But essentially the big ones in America

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Speaker 19: communities in certain areas. Now Native Americans haven't made up

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Speaker 19: But here in Arizona you have an argument.

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Speaker 1: For one of the Oklahoma level.

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Speaker 19: You see the state level, that's right, that's right, state level,

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Speaker 19: it happens a lot more frequently. But the black community

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Speaker 1: So where is that process at now?

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Speaker 14: Because Texas nacts a new map that was basically going

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Speaker 14: to wipe out all the games they're going to get

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Speaker 14: in California, but then a.

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Speaker 1: Judge blocks them.

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Speaker 14: Yes, right, and so that is now maybe Blake, I

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Speaker 14: don't know either one of you can answer this.

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Speaker 1: What is the next step in that process? So this

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Speaker 19: We throwing the Florida piece real quick. So while this

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Speaker 19: no worries, guys, we're going to actually add another five

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Speaker 15: It's it's really risky, like if you're adding to once

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Speaker 15: you The thing about Jerry Mannering that a lot of

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Speaker 15: you're basically making it. So let's say, for example, let's

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Speaker 15: just hypothetically, Well, okay, that means, yeah, you want, we

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Speaker 15: won Texas pretty handily, but there are elections where you

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Speaker 15: can imagine the situation where you would just lose Texas,

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Speaker 15: Like it's it's plausible if you get in a really

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Speaker 1: Youah, like a two thousand and eight Obama, Yeah, two

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Speaker 15: And then like you do really bad in the House

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Speaker 15: what happens is you win more seats until suddenly you

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, you always got more seats too.

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Speaker 19: Because seat because they're taking for the viewers at home,

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Speaker 19: the listeners at home, is that you're taking districts that

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Speaker 19: are ten to fifteen points on average plus for Trump.

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Speaker 19: You're a plus Republican. You look at two different ways,

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Speaker 19: how many points did Trump win by the last presidential

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Speaker 19: or whoever's the last presidential candidate? And then how many

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Speaker 19: more Republican voters do you have the Democrat voters. The

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Speaker 19: real thing that's in the airs and a lot of

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Speaker 19: the states, part Texas included, is you have a lot

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Speaker 19: more independence now than you ever did before. And actually

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Speaker 19: I own a phone call back to a North Carolinian.

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Speaker 19: There's a North Carolina is a good example of this.

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Speaker 19: Historically republican state tons of independent voters. So if you

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Speaker 19: start messing with the districts too much, like Blake saying,

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Speaker 19: you might end up in a situation where you have

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Speaker 19: a new community of a lot younger people who aren't

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Speaker 19: registering Republican. They're more independent that are harder to target,

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Speaker 19: and then they're harder to turn out.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, and Florida is a good example. Actually, if you

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Speaker 15: Florida right now feels very red to us.

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Speaker 1: It's moved read.

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Speaker 15: Over time plus one million, twenty twelve. It voted Democrat

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Speaker 15: in a presidential election. Yeah, the first time Ron de

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Speaker 15: Santis ran, he beat Andrew Gillham by thirty six thousand.

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Speaker 15: Extremely think about how much history ended up changing on

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Speaker 15: those thirty thousand whatever votes.

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Speaker 19: This is why, this is why ballet chacy matters. That's

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Speaker 19: why chacing matters for because you win by a little bit,

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Speaker 19: you can swing a state for decades.

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Speaker 14: So did he win on his second election? It was

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Speaker 14: like almost two million votes?

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Speaker 15: A well, yeah, yeah, he wanted massive landslide and yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And so you're asking what's next in this Texas case.

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Speaker 15: So yeah, so this panel said Texas's is illegal racial

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Speaker 15: gerrymanderin whatever. Now it's a sort of special one usually

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Speaker 15: when you have these court cases, uh, in the federal level,

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Speaker 15: it would go district Circuit Supreme. With these specific election

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Speaker 15: law related cases, they have an accelerated process, so the

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Speaker 15: appeal is directly to the Supreme Court. I've talked to

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Speaker 15: and such. They think the Supreme Court would probably side

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Speaker 15: with us. But it's a matter of speed because you're filing.

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Speaker 15: Deadlines in Texas, for example, are coming up here in

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Speaker 15: just a couple of weeks, so you would need the

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Speaker 15: Supreme Court to weigh in very quickly, or they might

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Speaker 15: just be stuck with their old house map for matters

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Speaker 15: of practicality, which that's a lot of what this is about.

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Speaker 15: This Texas house map was because they specifically wanted it

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Speaker 15: for this midterm cycle, and if it only kicks in

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Speaker 15: in twenty twenty eight, well then you know you're only

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Speaker 15: two years away from a census.

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Speaker 1: Anyway. Yeah, throw up this image. By the way, this

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Speaker 1: is a the two ninety one.

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Speaker 14: This is the States considering congressional redistrict And you can

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Speaker 14: look on my computer here if you want, Tyler. But

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Speaker 14: so we've got California. They passed prop fifty. How many

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Speaker 14: do you approximately how many seats are.

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Speaker 19: They going to get? Right now?

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Speaker 14: The estimations five, so five they're gonna get five. How

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Speaker 14: many would Texas get if we get this in time

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Speaker 14: for the midterms?

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Speaker 1: The plan was five five and Florida five, is arguing,

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Speaker 1: so we would be.

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Speaker 14: If we get Texas corrected, we're going to be net five.

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Speaker 19: Versus Texas and Florida together would be plus ten. Indiana's

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Speaker 19: plus two Ohio as well. Right, it's not on this map,

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Speaker 19: so Ohio is probably not not going to change.

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Speaker 1: But I've heard they can get two more seats.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, there's an argument for it that they can. Going

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Speaker 19: back to Blake's point, the question is should.

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Speaker 14: They, especially with the veak running even or maybe slightly behind.

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Speaker 19: It, because they're not in a safe of a spot.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, what's what's the story? What's the story with Missouri?

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Speaker 1: Are past new maps?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I don't have the the toll update. I'll get

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Speaker 19: all touch up base with our Missouri people. We can

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Speaker 19: do a follow up this next week and on Missouri.

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Speaker 15: And then I saw that at a Maryland house map there.

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Speaker 15: I know that that's a Democrat state. Of course, I

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Speaker 15: think they usually have one Republican seats. It would probably

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Speaker 15: be an attempt to zero that one. Yeah, it's one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 14: So then then there's Nebraska and Kansas. So Kansas could

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Speaker 14: redraw their maps, Nebraska could get the winner take all

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Speaker 14: kind of energy and maybe which.

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Speaker 19: We have no faith in.

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Speaker 1: Well, there's still one shot.

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Speaker 15: Is there's still uh three Republicans right now, right, I

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Speaker 15: don't think we'd get new seats.

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Speaker 1: It would just secured about Don Bacon.

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Speaker 19: Yeah, it's basically assumed it is going rertter that we

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Speaker 19: well that well, it's not a red seat, so it's

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Speaker 19: a plus like three or four DEM seat that Don

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Speaker 19: Bacon just has won because he's a moderate. But Don

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Speaker 19: Bacon's retiring and so the fear is that they're going

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Speaker 19: to lose if they don't redistrict y. Yeah, they're going

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Speaker 19: to lose that seat.

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Speaker 14: So so go zero in on Indiana. Now, Indiana there

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Speaker 14: was a push to because they had a chance to redistrict.

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Speaker 1: They failed one minute left.

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Speaker 19: Uh yeah, so right now the state Senate, I mean

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Speaker 19: they still can't do it, but there's essentially holdouts of

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Speaker 19: about it depends on the day, but we have about

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Speaker 19: five or six state senators that are holding out. The

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Speaker 19: White House came out really strong. The President came out

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Speaker 19: really strong, like, Hey, we're going to find people to

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Speaker 19: challenge these people. And there's good conservatives in Indiana across

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Speaker 19: the state. I mean, we're talking in each of these

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Speaker 19: districts you're going to we need the audience to start

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Speaker 19: to get to know these people because we need to

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Speaker 19: replace them. So we're talking. We're not talking districts for

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Speaker 19: Trump won by five or six We're talking districts that

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Speaker 19: Trump won by thirty or forty points.

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Speaker 1: Jeez.

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Speaker 19: And so the President feels very strongly that we can

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Speaker 19: find the right people. Turning point action will help them,

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Speaker 19: will help the President and identify some of these people

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Speaker 19: and get the word out, all.

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Speaker 1: Right, So we need to know how to help and

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Speaker 1: what to do next.

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Speaker 19: So well, Indiana can still fix this. They could still

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Speaker 19: get the redistricting done, avoid all of that conflict, and

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Speaker 19: just get it over with.

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Speaker 14: So if you are an Indiana legislator that stood in

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Speaker 14: the way of the redistricting fight, there's still time to

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Speaker 14: save your political future. This does not have to go

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Speaker 14: this way. But we got to save we got to

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Speaker 14: save the republic. It's too important, all right, I'm going

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Speaker 14: to tell you guys really quickly again, send us your

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Speaker 14: emails Freedom at Charliekirk dot com questions for Turning Point

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Speaker 14: Action and we want to hear about them.

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Speaker 6: Be silenced.

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Speaker 1: You're listening to the Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 14: All right, Welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. Email

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Speaker 14: us Freedom at Charlie Kirk dot com questions for Turning

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Speaker 14: Point Action.

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Speaker 1: CEO Tyler Boyer, We've got a first we do we do?

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Speaker 15: We have Ellie and she says to Tyler, my question

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Speaker 15: for you is a pretty common one. How would you

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Speaker 15: recommend a gen z who's not in high school or

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Speaker 15: college get involved with TPUSA or TP action And she adds, Unfortunately,

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Speaker 15: I can't travel right now, and I live in a

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Speaker 15: very liberal blue state where people don't want to talk

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Speaker 15: about Charlie.

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Speaker 1: So I think that is a question.

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Speaker 15: We get a lot blue state, not actively in college,

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Speaker 15: can't travel.

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Speaker 1: What can I do to help out?

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Speaker 19: Those are two answers. One is Turning Point Action. So

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Speaker 19: you go to tpaction dot com slash get involved. You

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Speaker 19: can sign up right there. We walk you through the

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Speaker 19: individual steps that you can do first, starting with downloading

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Speaker 19: the Turning point action app so that we can start

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Speaker 19: to engage you. Obviously, if you can't travel, you can

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Speaker 19: do a lot remotely from there. We're starting to work

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Speaker 19: on putting bodies in more states, more full time staff,

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Speaker 19: and hiring full time staff even in what we call

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Speaker 19: our secondary and tertiary states, so we can help manage coalitions.

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Speaker 19: So if you go to coalitions dot Com, we own

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Speaker 19: coalitions dot Com. That's Coalitions dot Com Coalitions dot Com.

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Speaker 19: You can sign up and be part of an activist

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Speaker 19: organization that is kind of like our chapter model for adults.

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Speaker 19: So that's Mom's Coalition, Farmers or Ranchers, our Black Americans Coalition,

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Speaker 19: our Healthy Americans Coalition. So if you're MAHA, our Healthy

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Speaker 19: Americans Coalition is great. If you're more senior, are Classic Americans.

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Speaker 19: So we're bringing together, you know, our more senior activists

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Speaker 19: together as well.

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Speaker 1: Do we ever get them all together? Yeah, So we

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Speaker 1: do events in the coalition of coalitions.

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Speaker 19: So our coalitions, that's part of what they do is

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Speaker 19: they spend all the entire election cycle getting together building relationships.

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Speaker 19: So then once we're ready to go, they deploy and

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Speaker 19: go out and help us chase spots and keep target precincts.

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Speaker 14: I got a question about Georgia. So think about that, Tyler.

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Speaker 14: This is from Sunny said Steve Bannon was talking about

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Speaker 14: Georgia could pick up five That sounds very optimistic. But

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Speaker 14: we're gonna throw that to Tyler when we get back

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Speaker 14: with radio in.

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Speaker 1: About five seconds. Don't go anywhere.

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Speaker 14: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. We've

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Speaker 14: got Tyler Boyer here. We got a question from Sonny Tyler.

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Speaker 14: She says, several weeks ago, Steve Bannon was talking about

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Speaker 14: Georgia and how it can pick up five seeds.

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Speaker 1: Is that true?

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Speaker 19: So this is part of the problem with majority minority districts.

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Speaker 19: So again, Georgia's at the epicenter of that problem, which

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Speaker 19: is that you have the law fit that's been used

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Speaker 19: in the electoral process to give majority minority in this

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Speaker 19: case and in Georgia black districts. So keep this in

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Speaker 19: mind that with the law fair, so if the Trump

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Speaker 19: admissians is able to undo that, then the answer to

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Speaker 19: that questions, yes, you could actually gain back.

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Speaker 15: Well, ill I will add some caution because right now

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Speaker 15: Georgia is nine Republicans, five Democrats, fourteen total seats. So

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Speaker 15: if you were to jerrymander every single Democrat out, you'd be,

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Speaker 15: like I said, you'd basically be looking at the state average.

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Speaker 1: Well, the idea like lost Georgia in twenty twenty, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the idea would, so you'd that'd be where you'd.

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Speaker 15: Be very close to that risk point of they flip

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Speaker 15: all fourteen seats.

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Speaker 19: That's right. So even if you redistricted, you know, you

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Speaker 19: got rid of majority minority districts, which you could make

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Speaker 19: the opposite argument that the Democrats are jerrymandering some of

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Speaker 19: these districts that you shouldn't have five Democrat seats there,

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Speaker 19: it should be more like three year.

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Speaker 1: Yah, you can get it to I think you could

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Speaker 1: get it to four. You get one or two would

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Speaker 1: be great.

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Speaker 19: Arizona is a similar situation where we have like a

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Speaker 19: pretty conservative state for the Republican side. If we get

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Speaker 19: eleven congressional seats here this next election cycle, you can

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Speaker 19: make the argument that Arizona's a nine to two seat,

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Speaker 19: but it's the safer, more realistic.

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Speaker 1: Like eight three eight three yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 14: Kristen says, Hi, guys, I'm in Indiana resident. I'm wondering

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Speaker 14: if there's anything I can do to help with the

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Speaker 14: redistricting push.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 19: Absolutely, We're actually have links that are going out. We

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Speaker 19: had a link that was up for a churning point action.

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Speaker 19: It's tpaction dot com slash I believe. Hang on here,

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Speaker 19: I'll pull the link in just one second.

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Speaker 14: All right, Well, while you get that, James says, you

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Speaker 14: guys are forgetting Spanberger has already said she will redistrict

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Speaker 14: Virginia to go to ten blue seats in one red seat.

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Speaker 1: Do we know what that's about?

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Speaker 15: So that is a proposal. I think they've even claimed

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Speaker 15: they can do it now. I believe if they don't

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Speaker 15: one hundred percent regular courts, which they could, it is

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Speaker 15: difficult to redistrict in Virginia because I think they went

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Speaker 15: to a nonpartisan system by constitutional amendment, and they'd have

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Speaker 15: to vote twice, like two times in a row, and

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Speaker 15: hold a referendum. They have to do a lot if

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Speaker 15: they were going to do it by this next election.

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Speaker 15: But they're going to try. They are very inventive about

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Speaker 14: I do have a non redistricting question that I want

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Speaker 14: to get to while you pull up those links, Tyler,

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Speaker 14: this is from Kelly. It's a fair question because I

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Speaker 14: know there's confusion about it. So, Hi, guys listening to

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Speaker 14: the show today about the reunion between Musk and Trump

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Speaker 14: and wondering why TPSA is not doing the same with

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Speaker 14: Tim Poole. That is an interesting question, I understand because

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Speaker 14: Tim has said that he's not coming to Mfest. We

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Speaker 14: actually we're in the process of making sure that we

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Speaker 14: could do it from a production standpoint. I was literally,

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Speaker 14: we're about to give him like the green light, we

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Speaker 14: want to do this on the day that he posts

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Speaker 14: a video said he wasn't coming.

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Speaker 1: So we're trying to work with him.

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Speaker 14: To get that fixed because we had every intention of

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Speaker 14: wanting to do that and moving forward. You know, he's

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Speaker 14: got a very busy schedule. I think he was hoping

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Speaker 14: for the answer sooner than we were able to give

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Speaker 14: it to him. But we certainly want him to be there.

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Speaker 14: We've had a three year run with him at Amfest.

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Speaker 14: It's been very successful, So we want to do it,

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Speaker 14: and we're working on seeing if it was.

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Speaker 1: Not a calculated snub.

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Speaker 14: It was not a calculated snub. Well said, it was

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Speaker 14: not intended to be any type of snub. What happened

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Speaker 14: was as soon as Charlie was assassinated. I'm sure everybody

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Speaker 14: can understand this. Tickets sold out at Amfest and everybody

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Speaker 14: in the conservative movements that I want to speak at Amfest,

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Speaker 14: and so we got overbooked, even from a speaker standpoint,

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Speaker 14: very very rapidly.

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Speaker 1: And so in order to do Tim's show, which.

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Speaker 14: Happens at a very specific time every day on a Friday,

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Speaker 14: we would have had to sort of we just had

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Speaker 14: to kind of figure out how we were going to

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Speaker 14: do it.

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Speaker 1: And actually we had a good plan.

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Speaker 14: I think Tim would be down with the plan, so

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Speaker 14: hopefully we can get it done.

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Speaker 1: And we also I.

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Speaker 19: Had text to you it was like we got to

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Speaker 19: get Temple there and then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, like that morning and I said, I'm working on it.

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Speaker 19: Yeah. I mean, obviously we've had a lot going on.

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Speaker 19: And I want to say this too, is we've had

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Speaker 19: a lot going on with everybody. We have more people

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Speaker 19: that were actually telling No. Two for America Fest, because

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Speaker 19: literally there's going to be like fifty thousand people there,

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Speaker 19: plus everybody wants to speak and that it wants not that

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Speaker 19: many are going to probably have I'll do the Charlie

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Speaker 19: Kirk one hundred thousand.

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Speaker 1: You get a freak out our of its too. If

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Speaker 1: you say that, but there.

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Speaker 15: Literally, Lillien people will be in and around, in and around.

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Speaker 1: Maybe.

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Speaker 14: Yeah, Okay, here's another one, Indiana redistricuting. Trump threatened those

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Speaker 14: Republicans in Indiana against redistricuting that if they don't change

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Speaker 14: their vote, they will get primary. Governor Mike Brown is

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Speaker 14: doing an excellent job. He as the Dems in Indianapolis

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Speaker 14: to contend with, but he's staying the course.

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Speaker 1: That's from Carol. Good for you, Carol.

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Speaker 6: Oh.

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Speaker 15: Census William Bill Bill says any updates on running a

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Speaker 15: new census, I was literally thinking about it.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 15: So the difficulty with a new census is you can't

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Speaker 15: just snap your fingers and do a census. It's actually

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Speaker 15: like a think. It costs twenty billion dollars to do

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Speaker 15: the census. You have to hire a bunch of people.

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Speaker 15: So unfortunately, you would need Congress to actually vote to

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Speaker 15: do it. So it's one of many things. I guess

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Speaker 15: you could do it if we for example, if we

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Speaker 15: abolished the filbuster and around it through then maybe, but uh,

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Speaker 15: we gotta take a break here. Our two coming up next.

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Speaker 18: of your green and follow all of the prompts. Terrence

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Speaker 18: Bates here with your Real America's Voice newsbreak, Thanks so

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Speaker 18: much for being along.

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Speaker 17: For the ride.

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Speaker 18: We are getting ready for the latest White House Press briefing.

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Speaker 18: It's set to get underway here in short order. Here's

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Speaker 18: a live look at the press briefing room. We're expecting

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Speaker 18: that Caroline Levitt will take the podium here within the

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Speaker 18: next ten to fifteen minutes or so many of the

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Speaker 18: questions very likely will have to do with the release

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Speaker 18: of the Jeffrey Epstein files. There may also be some

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Speaker 18: questions about the economy, specifically as it relates to President

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Speaker 18: Trump's meeting yes this week, let's just put it that

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Speaker 18: way with Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince. And then you can

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Speaker 18: also expect probably some economy questions relative to the cost

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Speaker 18: of Thanksgiving meals this year. We of course will take

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Speaker 18: this live for you the moment it happens, so stay

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Speaker 18: tuned here on Real America's Voice. In the meantime, Now

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Speaker 18: that President Trump has signed the bill forcing the Justice

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Speaker 18: Department to release all of its files on Jeffrey Epstein,

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Speaker 18: the DOJ has thirty days to comply. The troph of

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Speaker 18: documents should include all files and communications related to the

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Speaker 18: disgrace child predator, as well as any information about the

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Speaker 18: investigation into his death. Some information about victims could be

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Speaker 18: redacted for ongoing federal investigations, but investigators can't withhold information

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Speaker 18: due to quote embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity. A

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Speaker 18: federal judge who has reviewed the case says they are

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Speaker 18: about one hundred thousand pages to release.

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Speaker 17: Taking a true.

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Speaker 18: Social After signing the bill, President Trump began naming names

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Speaker 18: and pointing fingers at Democrats who were associates of Epstein.

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Speaker 18: In this true social post, he writes quote Democrat figures

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Speaker 18: such as Bill Clinton, Larry Summers, Slee excuse me, Sleesbag,

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Speaker 18: political activist Reed Hoffman, Minority Leader Hakim Jeffrey's Democrat Congresswoman

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Speaker 18: Stacey Plaskett, and many more. Perhaps the truth about these

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Speaker 18: Democrats and their associations with Jeffrey Epstein will soon be revealed.

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Speaker 18: Ukrainian President Voladimir Zelenski meeting with a US Army delegation

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Speaker 18: in Ukraine today. The meeting comes as the Trump administration

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Speaker 18: is out with the twenty eight point peace plan aimed

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Speaker 18: at ending the war between Russia and Ukraine. The agreement

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Speaker 18: will reportedly see Ukraine give up some of its land

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Speaker 18: and weapons, including cutting the size of Ukraine's military. President

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Speaker 18: Trump's Special envoy Steve Witkoff, along with Vice President j. D. Vance,

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Speaker 18: Secretary of State Marko Rubiel, and the president's son in law,

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Speaker 18: Jered Kushner, are said to have been instrumental in drafting

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Speaker 18: this proposal. The plan is just now being presented to

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Speaker 18: Ukrainian officials and reportedly does leave some room for negotiation.

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Speaker 18: This latest attempt at bringing peace to the region comes

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Speaker 18: after Russian missiles and drones just killed it at least

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Speaker 18: twenty five people in the latest round of fighting. A

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Speaker 18: Chicago man accused of pouring gasolene on a fellow train

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Speaker 18: passenger and lighting her on fire is now charged with

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Speaker 18: terrorism charges this morning. Federal prosecutors say the fifty year

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Speaker 18: old was caught on surveillance video chasing the twenty six

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Speaker 18: year old victim.

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Speaker 17: Through the train while trying to ignite her.

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Speaker 18: Chicago police say when they arrested the guy on Tuesday,

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Speaker 18: he made incriminating statements, and during his initial court hearing Wednesday,

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Speaker 18: he also yelled out, I plead guilty. That's a quote.

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Speaker 18: The plea isn't official at this point. Investigators say that

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Speaker 18: he has a long criminal history and should not have

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Speaker 18: been free to commit this crime. If convicted, the suspect

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Speaker 18: faces up to life in prison. Should the victim die

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Speaker 18: from her injuries, prosecutors say the victim could be eligible

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Speaker 18: for or I'm sorry. The suspect could be eligible for

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Speaker 18: the death penalty. However, Illinois abolished capital punishment back in

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Speaker 18: twenty eleven. That's a great chuck of your headlines. I'm

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Speaker 18: Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 1: All right, welcome to hour two of The Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 14: I'm Andrew COVID, executive producer of this show along with

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Speaker 14: Blake Neff. Really exciting hour two. Actually, we're gonna get

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Speaker 14: a little deeper more. I don't want to say philosophical,

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Speaker 14: but this is gonna be a smart, elevated hour because

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Speaker 14: we're talking about some of these themes in American life,

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Speaker 14: especially the modern American life, that kind of go under

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Speaker 14: the radar, but they're having a profound impact on your taxes,

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Speaker 14: the way your government spend money, some of the fraud

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Speaker 14: that's happening. We just had a congresswoman out of Florida

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Speaker 14: who was a grand jury returned to an indictment charging

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Speaker 14: her for stealing five million dollars of COVID fund. So

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Speaker 14: this is kind of a story in that realm. This

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Speaker 14: is we're going to welcome Ryan Thorpe. He's an investigated

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Speaker 14: journalist with Manhattan Institute. He's got a new piece he

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Speaker 14: co authored with Chris Rufo at The City Journal, and

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Speaker 14: it's entitled the largest funder of Al Shabab is the

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Speaker 14: Minnesota taxpayer.

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Speaker 15: Al Shabab, of course, is a radical Islamic terrorist group

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Speaker 15: in Somalia. We have a lot of Somali's in Minnesota

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Speaker 15: and we've hit this beat a few times that there's

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Speaker 15: a lot of fraud of various kinds that goes on

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Speaker 15: because it's an insular community. But this piece really lays

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Speaker 15: out how a lot of it works. So, Ryan, are

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Speaker 15: you there.

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Speaker 17: I am.

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Speaker 6: It's a pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 15: Thank you very much. So, Ryan, how about you just

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Speaker 15: dive into it. Al Shabab largest funder of Minnesota taxpayer.

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Speaker 1: What do you mean by that?

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Speaker 2: Well, so, what we're seeing in Minnesota is that there's

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Speaker 2: billions of dollars of fraud going on, particularly targeting government

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Speaker 2: welfare programs. The fraud has gotten so bad that the

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Speaker 2: US Attorney's Office is indicated that there are our entire

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Speaker 2: government welfare programs where the fraud outstrips the legitimate claims.

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Speaker 2: These large scale fraud rings to date have largely been

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Speaker 2: concentrated in Minnesota's Somali community. But this is an inconvenient

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Speaker 2: fact that progressive politicians in Minnesota, and I would also

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Speaker 2: say the mainstream media has been unwilling or unable to acknowledge,

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Speaker 2: and over the course of our investigation for City Journal,

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Speaker 2: we developed several counter terrorism sources law enforcement sources who

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Speaker 2: confirm to us that some of these stolen funds millions

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Speaker 2: of dollars are being sent abroad through jwala networks, which

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Speaker 2: are informal money transfer networks that are popular in Islamic countries.

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Speaker 2: This money has then gone overseas and some of that

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Speaker 2: money has ended up in the hands of Al Schabab,

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Speaker 2: to the point that one of our sources said, the

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Speaker 2: largest funder of Al Schibab is the Minnesota tax pair.

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Speaker 14: Well, can I just read I just want to give

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Speaker 14: you your you some kudos here, right, because this is

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Speaker 14: you're opening you had me at Hello kind of moment

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Speaker 14: you're opening to. This article is just so blunt and

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Speaker 14: to the point I love it. I have to read it.

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Speaker 14: Minnesota is drowning in fraud. Billions in taxpayer dollars have

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Speaker 14: been stolen during the administration of Governor Tim Waltz Alone. Democrats,

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Speaker 14: state officials overseeing one of the most generous welfare regimes

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Speaker 14: in the country are asleep at the switch, and the media,

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Speaker 14: duty bound by progressive pieties, refused.

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Speaker 1: To connect the dots.

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Speaker 15: I mean, it's just really I want to really direct,

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Speaker 15: I want to flag the numbers on here. So this

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Speaker 15: is one. This is so incredible. We're having crimew on

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Speaker 15: next to talk about healthcare. And when he came out

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Speaker 15: on the show with Charlie a few months ago, one

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Speaker 15: of the things he said is he's like, he says,

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Speaker 15: I think the number the growth of autism in America

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Speaker 15: is overstated because they overdiagnose it. And the example he

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Speaker 15: said is he said in Minnesota, Somali's are just scamming

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Speaker 15: the autoism system to get a ton of money.

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Speaker 1: And this is a quote.

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Speaker 15: I want to read this so like with another p

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Speaker 15: Autism claims to medicated Minnesota have skyrocketed from three million

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Speaker 15: dollars in twenty eighteen three million to I'm going to

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Speaker 15: abreviate it three hundred and ninety nine million in twenty

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Speaker 15: twenty three. So they went up more than a one

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Speaker 15: hundred times over in five years. And it mentions the

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Speaker 15: number of autism providers went from forty one to three

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Speaker 15: hundred and twenty eight. And then it says the Somali

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Speaker 15: community has established autism treatment centers for culturally appropriate programming.

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Speaker 15: One in sixteen Somali four year olds has reportedly been

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Speaker 15: diagnosed with autism. Are they just letting anything happen and

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Speaker 15: they're not doing any policing whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Ryan, Well, it's very.

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Speaker 2: Clear with these government programs that there weren't many checks

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Speaker 2: and balances that were built into the system, and that

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Speaker 2: this was done by design. I mean, this was done

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Speaker 2: purposefully to help facilitate money going out the door, ostensibly

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Speaker 2: to people in need. And what's interesting about the autism

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Speaker 2: fraud case, the first indictment that's come down the US

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Speaker 2: Attorney's Office indicates the more indictments will be coming, is

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Speaker 2: that it is very clear the extent to which this

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Speaker 2: fraud scheme penetrated the wider smaller community. So this wasn't

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Speaker 2: just a bad apple. The woman accused in this case

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Speaker 2: would approach members of the smaller community in Minnesota who

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Speaker 2: had children, she would sign them up for autism services.

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Speaker 2: If the child wasn't autistic, she would get them a

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Speaker 2: fraudulent diagnosis, and then kickbacks would be paid to smallly

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Speaker 2: parents in the state who had signed up their children

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Speaker 2: for fraudulent autism services. And the US Attorney's Office noted

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Speaker 2: that if the kickbacks were too low, the parents would

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Speaker 2: threaten to pull their child from one provider and order

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Speaker 2: and take them over to a different fraudulent provider in

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Speaker 2: order to get more money that was being stolen from

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Speaker 2: taxpayers through the scheme.

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Speaker 1: So that's the autism wasn't exact ample.

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Speaker 15: Can you also describe this this this homelessness one the

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Speaker 15: Medicaid Housing Stabilization Service, Can you explain how that fraud

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Speaker 15: worked as well and any others that come to mind.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Housing Stabilization Services program was quite interesting because

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Speaker 2: if you were to design a government program specifically to

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Speaker 2: facilitate fraud fraudulent claims, it would probably look a lot

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Speaker 2: like this program was designed. There were almost no checks

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Speaker 2: and balances baked into this system. It was launched in

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty with i would say, a fairly noble goal.

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Speaker 2: It was seeking to get people who are struggling with

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Speaker 2: drug and alcohol addiction, mental illness, people with disabilities to

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Speaker 2: help them find and secure housing. The US Attorney's Office

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Speaker 2: claims that you know, fraudulent companies were set up. They

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Speaker 2: were operating out of you know, dilapidated storefronts. They would

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Speaker 2: target people that were exiting drug and drug rehabs, they

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Speaker 2: would sign them up for medicaid services that you know,

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Speaker 2: they had no intention of providing, and then they would

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Speaker 2: simply pocket the money. And yet again we've seen the

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Speaker 2: claims under this program absolutely skyrocket. When it was launched

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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty, government officials estimated it would cost but

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Speaker 2: two point six million dollars a year. By twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 2: it cost one hundred and four million, and in the

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Speaker 2: first six months of this year alone, claims were sixty

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Speaker 2: one million dollars. At that point, the state stepped in

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Speaker 2: and shuttered the program because they realized that, you know,

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Speaker 2: they had a significant problem on their hands in regards

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Speaker 2: to fraud. And the US Attorney's Office has indicated in

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Speaker 2: a press conference that the US Attorney at the time

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Speaker 2: he believed there were more there's more fraudulent activity in

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Speaker 2: this program than there were legitimate claims. There have been

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Speaker 2: eight indictments to date for HSS fraud. Six of the

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Speaker 2: eight men who had been accused were of small heritage,

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Speaker 2: two were Nigerian of Nigerian heritage, and they're accused of

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Speaker 2: defrauding millions of dollars from this government welfare program. And

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Speaker 2: yet again it's been indicated that more charges will be coming.

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Speaker 15: Is it as simple as it looks? Where I guess

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Speaker 15: the stereotype would be, It's Minnesota. You've got a lot

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Speaker 15: of Swedes, Norwegians, sort of Nordic high trust people, very

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Speaker 15: used to doing pro social behaviors, and it's almost like

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Speaker 15: they're like an animal on an island that has no predators.

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Speaker 15: So the thought that someone would just fleece a program

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Speaker 15: or just lie about it is so aliens, like they

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Speaker 15: just have no defenses against this sort of behavior.

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Speaker 1: Is it that simple?

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Speaker 15: Is there any interest in fixing this other than arresting

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Speaker 15: people occasionally?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, I think that's a really good point.

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Speaker 2: I think that does help explain some of what's going on.

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Speaker 2: As I was recording this piece out, the picture that

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Speaker 2: was emerging was really of a perfect storm in Minnesota

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Speaker 2: to facilitate fraud on a massive scale. You have a

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Speaker 2: sizable smally community that comes from a tribal clan based society,

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Speaker 2: and it has proven itself willing to cynically deploy accusations

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Speaker 2: of racism as a shield in order to help cover

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Speaker 2: up criminal behavior. You have a very generous, very progressive

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Speaker 2: welfare state, and in many of these programs checks and balances,

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Speaker 2: they were specifically designed with very few in place. And

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Speaker 2: then you have a progressive political establishment that is terrified

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Speaker 2: of being seen as politically incorrect and also worried about

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Speaker 2: alienating the Somali community, which is a sizeable voting block

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Speaker 2: in the state and has also established significant political connections.

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Speaker 2: And so when those three things kind of collide, this

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Speaker 2: is what you get.

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Speaker 14: We're joined by Ryan Thorpe from the Manhattan Institute. He

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Speaker 14: has a great new piece about Mogadisho, Minnesota. And I

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Speaker 14: want to get into this, Ryan, because how much of

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Speaker 14: this is is is essentially Western culture confronting. I mean,

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Speaker 14: let's just be honest, a very backwards, tribalistic African culture

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Speaker 14: that has been imported into our country and they're just

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Speaker 14: colliding and they don't understand each other or is mean

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Speaker 14: Somali seem to understand us. They're taking they're taking us

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Speaker 14: taken advantage of Minnesota?

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Speaker 1: Nice? How much of it is a cultural breakdown though?

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Speaker 14: Where where Americans in Minnesota they simply cannot fathom the

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Speaker 14: cynical nature of these of these schemes and these cons.

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Speaker 2: Well, I would say that the sources I've spoken to

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Speaker 2: in Minnesota have indicated that as a significant contributing factor

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Speaker 2: in regards to these large scale fraud rings that we're seeing,

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Speaker 2: there is a cultural component here. You know, when you're

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Speaker 2: talking about people of smaller heritage that have landed in Minnesota,

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Speaker 2: these are people that come from a very tribal, clan

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Speaker 2: based society. They have likely spent time in a refugee

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Speaker 2: camp prior to arriving in America, where I would imagine

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Speaker 2: you have to be pretty resourceful in order to get by.

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Speaker 2: They then come to a traditionally very high trust state

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Speaker 2: with significant welfare programs, perhaps the most generous in the country,

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Speaker 2: and quite clearly by the criminal indictments that have been

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Speaker 2: coming down, many people in the Smoy community have figured

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Speaker 2: out how to fraudulently obtain significant amounts of money We're

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Speaker 2: talking about billions of taxpayer dollars here that have stolen

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Speaker 2: fraud rings that run two hundreds of millions of dollars alone.

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Speaker 2: So I don't think you can discount that clash of

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Speaker 2: cultures as a major factor. And what we're seeing that's

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Speaker 2: going on.

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Speaker 1: Well, listen to this. This is a quote from your piece.

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Speaker 1: What we are seeing. What we see are schemes stacked

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Speaker 1: upon schemes, draining resources meant for those in need. It

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Speaker 1: feels never ending.

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Speaker 14: I've spent my career as this guy named Thompson as

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Speaker 14: a fraud prosecutor, and the depth of the fraud of

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Speaker 14: Minnesota takes my breath away. What can be like if

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Speaker 14: you were gonna I mean, is there a significant move

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Speaker 14: to actually denaturalize, to deport some of these people that

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Speaker 14: are here on protected status or on a temporary status

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Speaker 14: of some nature. Is there is there a way that

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Speaker 14: you would dismantle this that would actually fix the problem

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Speaker 14: or it feels like we're just gonna be playing whack

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Speaker 14: a mole for years here in Minnesota.

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Speaker 2: Well, the sources that I've spoken to these are political people,

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Speaker 2: law enforcement, counter terrorism folks. I put this question to them.

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Speaker 2: You know what needs to happen here. You know, they

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Speaker 2: don't discount the fact that there is a role for

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Speaker 2: law enforcement to play. They have been cracking down on

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Speaker 2: many of these major fraud rings. There's more work to

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Speaker 2: be done, more indictments will be coming. But pretty much

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Speaker 2: across the board, people that I spoke to said there

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Speaker 2: really isn't a law enforcement solution to this problem. As

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Speaker 2: you said, that's simply playing whack a mole. People pretty

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Speaker 2: consistently told me that, you know, there needs to be

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Speaker 2: a policy change, and there clearly needs to be more

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Speaker 2: accountability from the state government in Minnesota, which under Tim Waltz,

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Speaker 2: has been overseeing fraud after fraud to the point where

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Speaker 2: the fraud has taken over entire government programs. So there

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Speaker 2: has to be a policy solution here. Simply hoping for

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Speaker 2: law enforcement to clean the mess up is naive.

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Speaker 15: Yeah, it really is a striking case, the most extreme

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Speaker 15: thing of when you bring in people from a different culture,

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Speaker 15: You bring in a different culture, and it really manifests

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Speaker 15: the way that it's so large and so many people

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Speaker 15: are involved. Like we didn't even talk about the Feeding

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Speaker 15: our Future scam, another scam they did during COVID where

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Speaker 15: they were pretending to feed thousands and thousands of kids

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Speaker 15: got millions of dollars, and it was I think one

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Speaker 15: white Lutheran woman at the top of it and then

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Speaker 15: fifty plus people from the Somali community doing the rest

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Speaker 15: of it. That it really is just who you have

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Speaker 15: any moral relationship to as people in your extended family,

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Speaker 15: people in your clan, people in that community, and you

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Speaker 15: have no moral relationship or otherwise with the government, with

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Speaker 15: wider society. You've basically brought a people within a separate

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Speaker 15: group of people who just don't feel any obligation to

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Speaker 15: the rest of the citizenry, and they think it's totally

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Speaker 15: valid to just loot that community for everything they have.

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Speaker 15: And I think the only way the only way you

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Speaker 15: can deal with that is you basically need to impose

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Speaker 15: far higher standards for any benefits you're going to do

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Speaker 15: all out, or you also have to say, frankly, why

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Speaker 15: are we doing this in the first place? Why have

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Speaker 15: we imported an alien culture that thinks it's their duty

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Speaker 15: to just loot us?

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Speaker 1: Now?

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Speaker 14: Isn't now with Trump's travel restrictions, because we had this

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Speaker 14: in Trump one point zero now two point zero, what's

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Speaker 14: the status of immigration from Somalia right now, Ryan, really quick,

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Speaker 14: twenty seconds.

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Speaker 2: To be honest, I haven't looked into that, so I

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Speaker 2: would not be sure.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm pretty sure some Aalia's on the contract.

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Speaker 14: So I don't know if we're making this problemroblem worse

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Speaker 14: right now, or if we've sort of stopped the bleeding,

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Speaker 14: or if there's you know, back doorways for chain migration

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Speaker 14: and family reading before we.

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Speaker 15: Close it up. I want to throw up, put up

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Speaker 15: two ninety eight. It's just it's the social contract in Minnesota.

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Speaker 15: You have only thirty years old, and all of his

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Speaker 15: money is going to al Shabab, defeeding our future to

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Speaker 15: cause more chaos in Somalia so that more migrants move

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Speaker 15: in to Minnesota so that they can give more money

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Speaker 15: to them.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to share that one ran. Great job, really

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Speaker 1: good reporting. Thank you so much. We'll have you go

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Speaker 1: on again soon. We'll be right back.

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Speaker 18: Welcome back to this Real America's Voice news break.

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Speaker 17: I'm Terrence Bates.

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Speaker 18: Now that President Trump has signed the bill forcing the

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Speaker 18: Justice Department to release all of its files on Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 18: The DOJ has thirty days to comply. The trove of

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Speaker 18: documents should include all files and communications related to the

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Speaker 18: disgrace child predator, as well as amy information about the

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Speaker 18: investigation into his death. Some information about victims could be

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Speaker 18: redacted for ongoing federal investigations, but investigators cannot withhold information

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Speaker 18: due to quote embarrassment, reputational harm, or political sensitivity.

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Speaker 17: A federal judge who has reviewed the.

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Speaker 18: Case says there are about one hundred thousand pages to release.

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Speaker 18: Taking the True Social After signing the bill, President Trump

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Speaker 18: began naming names and pointing fingers at Democrats who were

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Speaker 18: associates of Epstein.

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Speaker 17: In this true Social post, he.

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Speaker 18: Writes, quote Democrat figures such as Bill Clinton, who was

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Speaker 18: on the plane numerous times, Larry Summers, who of course

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Speaker 18: has been let go from various boards including Harvard sleeves Bag,

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Speaker 18: political activist Reed Hoffman, minority leader Hakim Jeffries, who he

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Speaker 18: says took money from Epstein, Democrat Congress froman Stacey Plaskett,

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Speaker 18: and many more. Perhaps the truth about these Democrats and

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Speaker 18: their associations with Jeffrey Epstein.

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Speaker 17: Will soon be revealed.

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Speaker 18: Ukrainian President Voldemir Zelinski meeting with the US Army delegation

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Speaker 18: in Ukraine today. The meeting comes as the Trump administration

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Speaker 18: is out with the twenty eight point peace plan aimed

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Speaker 18: at ending the war between Russia and Ukraine. The agreement

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Speaker 18: would reportedly see Ukraine give up some of its land

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Speaker 18: and weapons, including cutting the size of Ukraine's military. President

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Speaker 18: Trump's Special Envoy Steve Whitkoff, along with Vice President J. D. Van,

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Speaker 18: Secretary of State Mark Rubio, and the President's son in law,

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Speaker 18: Jered Kushner, are said to have been instrumental in drafting

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Speaker 18: this proposal. The plan is just now being presented to

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Speaker 18: Ukrainian officials and reportedly Lee's Room for negotiation. This latest

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Speaker 18: attempt that bring peace to the region comes after Russian

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Speaker 18: missiles and drones just killed at least twenty five people

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Speaker 18: in the latest round of fighting. That's a quick check

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Speaker 18: of your headlines. As always, we appreciate having along for

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Speaker 18: the ride. Now back to the Charlie Kirk Show, speaking the.

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Speaker 13: Truth no one else has the guts to say the

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Speaker 13: Charlie Kirk Show.

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Speaker 14: All right, welcome back to the Charlie Kirk Show. I'm

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Speaker 14: Andrew Colvett, Executive producer of the show. Blake Neff another

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Speaker 14: one of the producers here are not so secret weapon,

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Speaker 14: as I like to call him. He always looks at

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Speaker 14: me sideways when I say it, though, I want to

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Speaker 14: tell you really quickly about our friends over at TikTok.

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Speaker 14: Connection and open dialogue. These are the things that build communities.

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Speaker 14: Charlie believe that TikTok believes that that's why TikTok has

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Speaker 14: built a space where that kind of listening actually happens.

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Speaker 14: People don't just post, they respond, and they build upon

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Speaker 14: each other's ideas. You'll see a teacher simplifying a tough

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Speaker 14: lesson so it finally clicks for the student or gardener

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Speaker 14: sharing a trick that saved their crop. But what matters

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Speaker 14: most isn't the video, it's what comes next when asking

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Speaker 14: a question, someone else answering with a story of their own,

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Speaker 14: building upon the initial original idea, and suddenly people who've

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Speaker 14: never met become a community built on shared curiosity. When

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Speaker 14: people listen and understand, a shift happens. Walls come down,

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Speaker 14: ideas travel further, and connection, real connection takes their place.

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Speaker 1: That is what listening does.

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Speaker 14: It reminds us that we're not as different as we

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Speaker 14: thought we were, and that's what makes TikTok so powerful.

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Speaker 14: It's a place where every post can turn into a conversation,

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Speaker 14: and every conversation can make a difference. Charlie had billions

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Speaker 14: and billions of views on TikTok uh. So that is

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Speaker 14: that we now have our next guest, Kraymu. He's the

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Speaker 14: author of the Krameu sub stack and you can find

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Speaker 14: him on exit kra moo uh.

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Speaker 1: How do you pronounce that?

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Speaker 15: Welcome to the show here, Yes, we can hear you.

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Speaker 1: You're a bit okay, there you are. You're a bit

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Speaker 1: off center. There. We'll get it, we'll get it right.

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Speaker 15: But we wanted to have you on because there's been

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Speaker 15: You're a big expert on healthcare. Healthcare has totally taken

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Speaker 15: over a lot of the discussion in the US as

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Speaker 15: one of the biggest sources of rising costs in America.

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Speaker 15: You know, people are let's just play one of these clips. Actually,

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Speaker 15: I think that'll set it up nicely. Primer, how about

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Speaker 15: we do uh, let's just do sixty three?

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Speaker 6: Going to hear horrible stories.

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Speaker 7: People are not going to be able to afford their

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Speaker 7: their insurance. I don't think even with subsidies, they're going

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Speaker 7: to be able to assure to afford the premiums that

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01:15:36,720 --> 01:15:40,360
Speaker 7: are hiking up one hundred, two hundred and three supposed

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Speaker 7: to fix on people. No, well not without the universal

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Speaker 7: I mean, there's affordable care.

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Speaker 14: And I want to I want to throw up this

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Speaker 14: as the last primary here Krame Mood two seventy nine.

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Speaker 14: This is the average annual expenditures for health insurance per

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Speaker 14: household consumer unit. And you can see that big jump

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Speaker 14: there right when the Affordable Care Act was implemented into law.

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Speaker 14: So healthcare is far out pacing the trend that we

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Speaker 14: saw before the ACA was passed. So we call it

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Speaker 14: the Unaffordable Care Act, and that really is the foundation

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Speaker 14: for our discussion. So Gray move, what is going wrong

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Speaker 14: with American health care?

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Speaker 20: So I would qualify that last bit a little bit.

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Speaker 20: I would say healthcare spending isn't really growing way over.

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Speaker 6: What you would expect before the ACA.

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Speaker 20: We're looking at different metrics there, but if you use

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Speaker 20: consistent ones, it looks pretty like fine. The bigger issue

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Speaker 20: is that we have it just shouldn't be growing this

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Speaker 20: way in the first place. The like it is a

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Speaker 20: completely broken system in the sense that we have created

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Speaker 20: incentives that to make it worse. So wow, sorry, it's

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Speaker 20: really disorienting looking at myself twice on the screen.

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Speaker 6: You know, let me just keep care of myself.

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Speaker 20: Sorry, I'm like, I'm looking at myself and seeing like

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Speaker 20: this is don't.

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Speaker 1: Worry about it. Don't worry about it, just keep going.

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Speaker 1: Just owned out.

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Speaker 6: Yeah.

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Speaker 20: So, we have a lot of things in healthcare post

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Speaker 20: ACA especially that are terrible in the sense that, for example,

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Speaker 20: take the medical loss ratio requirement. This is the requirement

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Speaker 20: that health insurance have to spend eighty to ninety percent,

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Speaker 20: depending on the type of plan, so eighty five percent

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Speaker 20: of there so of.

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Speaker 6: Their premiums each year.

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Speaker 20: So if they charge their customers x amount, they have

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Speaker 20: to spend eighty five percent of X. And the fact

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Speaker 20: that they have to spend that amount is effectively a

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Speaker 20: profit gap. So they have to make profits in other ways,

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Speaker 20: and to make those profits they look into other things

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Speaker 20: like buying up the pharmacy benefit managers, or buying up hospitals,

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Speaker 20: or sneakily changing the prices or even over paying for

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Speaker 20: drugs in order to meet the threshold of things they

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Speaker 20: have to pay for. So you end up with costs

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Speaker 20: just kind of running everywhere. You end up with incentives

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Speaker 20: for vertical integration such that they're buying up everything else

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Speaker 20: and the number of competitors that comes into the market

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Speaker 20: is very, very small, because again, who's going to invest

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Speaker 20: in a company, a new company that has to spend

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Speaker 20: eighty five percent of its revenues every year.

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Speaker 6: That thought a very good investment. With a lot of

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Speaker 6: other issues.

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Speaker 20: The ACA also, for example, had a lot of stuff

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Speaker 20: that was informed by small, kind of crappy studies. So

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Speaker 20: there was this idea that came about as an example

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Speaker 20: of this, where hospitals run by doctors would be lower performing,

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Speaker 20: and the reality was they actually going to be higher performing.

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Speaker 6: But the ACA when it was written wasn't.

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Speaker 20: Like, it wasn't based this idea was not based on

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Speaker 20: good empirical evidence. It was based on bad evidence. So

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Speaker 20: they ended up banning doctors from establishing new like physician

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Speaker 20: run hospitals.

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Speaker 6: They do. There's a lot of things in there that.

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Speaker 14: Are just kind of great move that seems like it

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Speaker 14: should be illegal. How could you ban somebody from starting

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Speaker 14: a business.

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Speaker 1: I don't understand.

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Speaker 14: It's just is this like a real ban or you

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Speaker 14: just can't get access to insurance funds or something.

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Speaker 6: No, it's a real band. Unfortunately, you cannot start a

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Speaker 6: new one.

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Speaker 20: There are some existing physician run hospitals that pre date

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Speaker 20: the ACA's band going into effect, but.

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Speaker 6: You can't start a new physician run hospitals. And that's

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Speaker 6: a specific thing.

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Speaker 20: So if you want to give up being a practicing physician,

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Speaker 20: you can still start a hospital, but you can't both

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Speaker 20: be a practicing physician and run the hospital.

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Speaker 15: That's so interesting. So I guess, just big picture, there's

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Speaker 15: a lot of debate.

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Speaker 1: You know, the GOP and Trump's first term tried to.

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01:19:24,680 --> 01:19:27,760
Speaker 15: Repeal and replace Obamacare. They failed thanks to our late

1525
01:19:27,840 --> 01:19:32,400
Speaker 15: senator here. But I guess people talk a lot about

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01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:36,600
Speaker 15: rising costs. But if there were targeted reforms that the

1527
01:19:36,640 --> 01:19:39,640
Speaker 15: Republican Party could start advocating, what do you think some

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01:19:39,720 --> 01:19:42,080
Speaker 15: of the best ones would be tons.

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Speaker 20: So a lot of the problem is that we have

1530
01:19:45,880 --> 01:19:49,599
Speaker 20: good ideas that have been actually supposed to be put

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01:19:49,600 --> 01:19:52,720
Speaker 20: into effect. For example, price transparency is the law of

1532
01:19:52,720 --> 01:19:54,879
Speaker 20: the land right now. If you go to a hospital,

1533
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:58,639
Speaker 20: they are required to provide you with a credible list

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01:19:58,640 --> 01:19:58,960
Speaker 20: of all.

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01:19:58,840 --> 01:20:00,960
Speaker 6: The prices before any operation has done on you.

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01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:03,160
Speaker 20: You were suposed to be given a price that is

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01:20:03,240 --> 01:20:05,960
Speaker 20: reasonable and that you will end up paying because once they,

1538
01:20:06,200 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 20: you know, put the number out there, they have to

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01:20:08,240 --> 01:20:11,760
Speaker 20: charge that for you unless some reasonable complication comes up.

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01:20:12,040 --> 01:20:13,799
Speaker 6: But the law is not enforced.

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01:20:14,160 --> 01:20:16,840
Speaker 20: The regulation for price transparency was supposed to go into

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01:20:16,840 --> 01:20:19,760
Speaker 20: effect on October first, and I looked around at a

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01:20:19,800 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 20: sample of local hospitals and I found, Hey, you guys

1544
01:20:22,520 --> 01:20:26,439
Speaker 20: still aren't transparent about your prices. It's a lot of

1545
01:20:26,439 --> 01:20:28,799
Speaker 20: the issue with this stuff is that we don't actually

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01:20:28,880 --> 01:20:30,960
Speaker 20: enforce the rules, which is.

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01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:34,160
Speaker 6: Bizarre. I don't know, like, do you what do you

1548
01:20:34,200 --> 01:20:34,920
Speaker 6: say about that?

1549
01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:37,479
Speaker 15: At the end of the day, that sounds like a

1550
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:40,599
Speaker 15: good chance to do populism, you know, have the Trump

1551
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,280
Speaker 15: admin just sue a big hospital or like purf block

1552
01:20:43,400 --> 01:20:46,400
Speaker 15: some random like official at like a really big hospital.

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01:20:46,400 --> 01:20:49,920
Speaker 14: And when was that law? When was that law passed

1554
01:20:49,960 --> 01:20:52,840
Speaker 14: into law? That that was supposed to go into effect

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01:20:52,840 --> 01:20:55,559
Speaker 14: on October first, So that was a regulation.

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01:20:56,160 --> 01:20:59,479
Speaker 20: The law that provided the regulation with power is like

1557
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,760
Speaker 20: very I think it's like like a decade old.

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01:21:02,120 --> 01:21:04,759
Speaker 14: Did that caught up in like the government shutdown or something?

1559
01:21:04,800 --> 01:21:07,320
Speaker 14: I mean, or we're just no, it predated it.

1560
01:21:07,360 --> 01:21:08,040
Speaker 1: There's just not a.

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01:21:08,000 --> 01:21:11,559
Speaker 14: Mechanism to enforce it. Yeah, the present the trumpet should

1562
01:21:11,560 --> 01:21:13,240
Speaker 14: absolutely start start ensuring this.

1563
01:21:13,360 --> 01:21:15,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, well what else? Yeah what else? Though, yeah, we

1564
01:21:15,200 --> 01:21:15,760
Speaker 1: cut you off their of.

1565
01:21:15,760 --> 01:21:16,680
Speaker 6: Itll There are tons of things.

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01:21:16,720 --> 01:21:19,040
Speaker 20: So, for example, patients are actually entitled to all of

1567
01:21:19,080 --> 01:21:21,519
Speaker 20: your data. If a doctor generates some data and goes

1568
01:21:21,560 --> 01:21:23,439
Speaker 20: in your EHR, you are supposed to be able to

1569
01:21:23,439 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 20: get access to that. You should be able to ask

1570
01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:28,320
Speaker 20: your physician and have your physician give that to you

1571
01:21:28,479 --> 01:21:30,880
Speaker 20: in some format that can be used by you, the patient.

1572
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:34,479
Speaker 20: The same thing applies to the cms's clear certified labs.

1573
01:21:34,520 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 20: So like IVF clinics, if a parent has some sequencing

1574
01:21:38,360 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 20: done in like one of their embryos, they should be

1575
01:21:40,000 --> 01:21:41,599
Speaker 20: able to get that data, but.

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01:21:43,280 --> 01:21:47,200
Speaker 6: They don't. In fact, I think it was September fourteenth,

1577
01:21:47,240 --> 01:21:48,519
Speaker 6: if I'm recalling the date correctly.

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01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 20: RFK put out a little video saying that patients are

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01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:54,000
Speaker 20: entitled to their data and at some date in the

1580
01:21:54,040 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 20: future there'd be a little not a hotline, but like

1581
01:21:56,240 --> 01:21:59,040
Speaker 20: a little form online you can go fill out to

1582
01:21:59,280 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 20: report when data is not provided to you when you

1583
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:02,599
Speaker 20: ask for it, and.

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Speaker 6: They just don't. They don't do it.

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01:22:04,640 --> 01:22:07,040
Speaker 20: So it's like it's not even things that are high

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01:22:07,040 --> 01:22:10,400
Speaker 20: costs that are being enforced it's also things that are

1587
01:22:10,439 --> 01:22:12,759
Speaker 20: just good. Like I said, from a patient rights perspective,

1588
01:22:12,800 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 20: that just nobody follows the rules because there there.

1589
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:17,480
Speaker 6: Are enforcement mechanisms.

1590
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 20: To be clear, CMS can really start hitting hospitals very hard.

1591
01:22:22,160 --> 01:22:25,240
Speaker 20: They can hit providers in ways that make their pocketbooks screen,

1592
01:22:26,000 --> 01:22:28,400
Speaker 20: but they don't. And that is the biggest sue at

1593
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,679
Speaker 20: the end of the day, is that they have enforcement mechanisms,

1594
01:22:30,680 --> 01:22:32,880
Speaker 20: they don't enforce them for all sorts of things. Another

1595
01:22:32,880 --> 01:22:36,720
Speaker 20: thing is, for example, cite neutral payments. So if you

1596
01:22:36,920 --> 01:22:39,360
Speaker 20: are running a hospital chain and you buy up a clinic,

1597
01:22:39,720 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 20: you can charge hospital prices at that clinical location, even

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01:22:43,120 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 20: if they're totally separate.

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01:22:44,680 --> 01:22:45,839
Speaker 6: You just bought the location.

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Speaker 20: You didn't change anyway it's run. But that allows you

1601
01:22:49,640 --> 01:22:51,519
Speaker 20: to charge the hospital runings. You're so stupit to change

1602
01:22:51,560 --> 01:22:53,479
Speaker 20: like that sort of thing should be outlawed, and it

1603
01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,600
Speaker 20: was supposed to be outlawed on October.

1604
01:22:55,200 --> 01:22:58,360
Speaker 6: First, But guess what's still in effect non neutral payments.

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01:22:58,400 --> 01:23:03,160
Speaker 20: It's thanks sir, so so crimea.

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01:23:03,240 --> 01:23:05,160
Speaker 14: It feels like you're sort of painting a picture that

1607
01:23:05,240 --> 01:23:08,360
Speaker 14: the health industry is plagued by death of a thousand cuts.

1608
01:23:09,240 --> 01:23:12,360
Speaker 14: There's maybe isn't one silver bullet. But you know, we

1609
01:23:12,520 --> 01:23:13,400
Speaker 14: were talkinking of.

1610
01:23:13,320 --> 01:23:14,559
Speaker 1: A thousand cuts. It's so big.

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01:23:14,840 --> 01:23:16,840
Speaker 15: It seems like they just feel that it's so big

1612
01:23:16,880 --> 01:23:19,040
Speaker 15: and so impenetrable they can just ignore they.

1613
01:23:19,640 --> 01:23:21,519
Speaker 1: But so we have to, we have to, that's right.

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01:23:21,600 --> 01:23:25,400
Speaker 14: There has to be an initiative though, from probably the

1615
01:23:25,479 --> 01:23:27,760
Speaker 14: highest levels of our government to start enforcing some of

1616
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,719
Speaker 14: these regulatory changes that are supposed to benefit the patients.

1617
01:23:31,200 --> 01:23:33,320
Speaker 14: So here's here's something we talked about. Now, are one

1618
01:23:33,400 --> 01:23:35,880
Speaker 14: that a lot of the problems in the country you

1619
01:23:35,920 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 14: could sort of trace back to.

1620
01:23:37,200 --> 01:23:39,200
Speaker 1: Illegal migration, illegal immigrants.

1621
01:23:39,760 --> 01:23:43,040
Speaker 14: How much of the rise in healthcare prices could you

1622
01:23:43,360 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 14: trace back to illegal immigrants on the dole or within

1623
01:23:47,439 --> 01:23:50,040
Speaker 14: the system or or is that not a driver in

1624
01:23:50,080 --> 01:23:51,960
Speaker 14: your opinion, not a big driver.

1625
01:23:52,680 --> 01:23:54,800
Speaker 20: The most liberal estimate that I've seen that's credible is

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01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 20: about point nine percent, and that's quite that's stretching it.

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01:23:57,200 --> 01:23:58,479
Speaker 6: Honestly, I think it's not that much.

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01:23:58,800 --> 01:24:02,360
Speaker 20: Yeah, the main cost drivers have to do with old people.

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01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:05,599
Speaker 20: Old people are the biggest parts here, and the fact

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01:24:05,640 --> 01:24:07,720
Speaker 20: that we have bad incentives for cost control and we

1631
01:24:07,800 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 20: don't allow certain types of cost control to even be

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01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:10,759
Speaker 20: put into place.

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01:24:11,120 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 6: So the AMA is really your bigger problem here.

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01:24:14,520 --> 01:24:16,960
Speaker 20: Most of your growth is provider side rents, and that

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01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,840
Speaker 20: means the payments that go to doctors that are way

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01:24:20,880 --> 01:24:23,360
Speaker 20: in excess of what the doctors like that the care

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01:24:23,400 --> 01:24:24,280
Speaker 20: that providing is worth.

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01:24:25,640 --> 01:24:26,599
Speaker 6: That's most of your issue.

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01:24:26,640 --> 01:24:30,800
Speaker 20: And we could lower provider side rents by allowing more physicians,

1640
01:24:31,080 --> 01:24:33,840
Speaker 20: but we have placed an effective cap on the rate

1641
01:24:33,880 --> 01:24:36,360
Speaker 20: of growth, not on the actual number of slots, but

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01:24:36,439 --> 01:24:40,439
Speaker 20: on the rate of growth in Medicare funding for residency slots.

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01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 20: So the number of doctors who can actually come in

1644
01:24:42,479 --> 01:24:44,880
Speaker 20: and compete with the doctors and lower the rents and

1645
01:24:44,920 --> 01:24:47,840
Speaker 20: make it so they you know, they're paid less but

1646
01:24:47,880 --> 01:24:49,519
Speaker 20: they provide more because they're going to be more of

1647
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 20: them is limited. It's been limited since nineteen ninety four,

1648
01:24:53,600 --> 01:24:54,479
Speaker 20: and we just don't chan.

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01:24:55,120 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: What happened in ninety four. What happened in ninety four.

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01:24:58,040 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 6: Oh, this is amazing.

1651
01:24:59,160 --> 01:25:00,840
Speaker 20: So the ama are argue there was going to be

1652
01:25:00,880 --> 01:25:03,439
Speaker 20: a surplus of doctors, there were going to be too

1653
01:25:03,600 --> 01:25:06,000
Speaker 20: many doctors, and that this would cause a big problem.

1654
01:25:06,280 --> 01:25:08,800
Speaker 20: And you have to think, how can there be a

1655
01:25:08,800 --> 01:25:09,759
Speaker 20: surplus of doctors.

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01:25:09,840 --> 01:25:11,080
Speaker 6: Don't we always need more doctors?

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01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:14,120
Speaker 20: The answer is yeah, of course, but they managed to

1658
01:25:14,120 --> 01:25:16,599
Speaker 20: somehow convince Congress this was an issue that would impact

1659
01:25:16,640 --> 01:25:19,080
Speaker 20: the quality of care when it makes no sense. And

1660
01:25:19,120 --> 01:25:21,519
Speaker 20: then they got these limits set in place. And now

1661
01:25:21,760 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 20: they argue to get away from the fact that they

1662
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:28,799
Speaker 20: did this. They argue, well, we don't limit the actual

1663
01:25:28,880 --> 01:25:32,400
Speaker 20: number of residency slots, but they ignore that, yes, there's

1664
01:25:32,439 --> 01:25:34,719
Speaker 20: still limitations on the growth in the number of slots

1665
01:25:34,720 --> 01:25:38,520
Speaker 20: and the funding mechanisms available to create more slots outside.

1666
01:25:38,160 --> 01:25:39,080
Speaker 6: Of medicare funding.

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01:25:39,439 --> 01:25:42,400
Speaker 20: So they created a broken system where we can't actually

1668
01:25:42,439 --> 01:25:44,320
Speaker 20: fix the issue with the provider's side rants, which is

1669
01:25:44,439 --> 01:25:46,719
Speaker 20: roughly a third of all of the spending problems.

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Speaker 1: sees connections others don't. Well, are going to keep going

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Speaker 20: Plotted in to the prior off departments where insurers do

1699
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:10,679
Speaker 20: the rejections or they accept a medical you know, call

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Speaker 20: by a doctor.

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Speaker 6: But we don't allow this. We have effectively banned, We've

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01:27:15,040 --> 01:27:16,240
Speaker 6: made no incentives to do it.

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Speaker 14: So just so I'm understanding, because I want to make

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01:27:19,479 --> 01:27:22,120
Speaker 14: sure I understand exactly what you're saying. If we send

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01:27:22,120 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 14: a dollar, we spend one dollar on health care, eighty

1706
01:27:26,960 --> 01:27:30,400
Speaker 14: five percent of that has to go to the actual treatments,

1707
01:27:30,439 --> 01:27:33,280
Speaker 14: meaning that the providers are only allowed to take fifteen

1708
01:27:33,360 --> 01:27:38,479
Speaker 14: percent of Okay, okay, yeah, no anything thirty seconds. Then

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01:27:38,479 --> 01:27:40,519
Speaker 14: we're going to welcome back radio for our last segments.

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01:27:40,520 --> 01:27:43,880
Speaker 14: So thirty seconds here sounds good, Yeah, go for it.

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01:27:43,920 --> 01:27:48,479
Speaker 20: Any anything not administrative, So that fifteen percent is whatever's

1712
01:27:48,520 --> 01:27:51,559
Speaker 20: left over. And what that means is that in order

1713
01:27:51,600 --> 01:27:54,040
Speaker 20: to meet that level, like at the end of a

1714
01:27:54,040 --> 01:27:55,840
Speaker 20: billing cycle, what they'll do is they'll just pay more

1715
01:27:55,880 --> 01:27:56,320
Speaker 20: for stuff.

1716
01:27:56,520 --> 01:27:58,160
Speaker 6: So if a if a doctor says like.

1717
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:01,320
Speaker 20: I want to build blah blah blah, okay blah blah blah,

1718
01:28:01,400 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 20: they'll pay more for medication, they'll overpay for all sorts

1719
01:28:04,160 --> 01:28:05,880
Speaker 20: of things. They'll get wrong claims and just pay them

1720
01:28:05,880 --> 01:28:07,559
Speaker 20: because they want to meet they have to meet this

1721
01:28:07,680 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 20: legal requirement. And in order to manage like this fact,

1722
01:28:15,280 --> 01:28:19,000
Speaker 20: they transfer large portions of their medical claim revenue to

1723
01:28:19,040 --> 01:28:23,559
Speaker 20: their PBMs. They're subsidiaries that aren't regulated directly by this regulation.

1724
01:28:23,720 --> 01:28:26,400
Speaker 14: All right, we're going to welcome back radio to continue

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Speaker 14: with Cray move. Fascinating conversation, will be right, bet all right,

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01:28:39,000 --> 01:28:42,080
Speaker 14: welcome back, So Cray Move. It sounds like there's bait.

1727
01:28:42,560 --> 01:28:46,599
Speaker 14: You said that these two buckets, they essentially lead to

1728
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:49,160
Speaker 14: ninety percent of the problems with the ACA. If you so,

1729
01:28:49,360 --> 01:28:52,200
Speaker 14: if you were consulting President Trump JD. Vance, would you

1730
01:28:52,240 --> 01:28:54,959
Speaker 14: just say deal with this eighty five percent ratio issue?

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01:28:55,160 --> 01:28:58,759
Speaker 14: And it sounds like one I forget with the other one. No, no, okay.

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01:28:59,320 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 20: So the these issues are unfortunately statutory. There are so

1733
01:29:04,360 --> 01:29:07,519
Speaker 20: statutory means that Congress is the reason for the issue

1734
01:29:07,680 --> 01:29:10,880
Speaker 20: Congress has in the case of the MLR, the medical

1735
01:29:10,920 --> 01:29:13,479
Speaker 20: loss ratio requirement that drives so much of the spinning

1736
01:29:13,520 --> 01:29:15,599
Speaker 20: issues and so much of the lack of AI related

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Speaker 20: innovation and healthcare.

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Speaker 6: The issue was given Congress gave.

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Speaker 20: The HHS the opportunity to write the rules, and they

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Speaker 20: gave them some limits, and it.

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Speaker 6: Said, you have to write the rules a certain way.

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Speaker 6: And these rules are terrible.

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Speaker 20: But in order to reform it, you can't just have

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Speaker 20: the HHS rewrite the rules because of those limits put

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Speaker 20: in place by Congress. If you actually wanted to fix

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Speaker 20: this issue, you would have to very likely, unless you

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Speaker 20: can get some Democrats to agree, and I really doubt

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Speaker 20: you could, you would very likely have to suspend the filibuster,

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Speaker 20: which is what something that rule contrib be doing right now,

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Speaker 20: and then go and get Congress to change it. So

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Speaker 20: where i'd offer this advice to Trump, I would say,

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Speaker 20: push on the filibuster, keep pushing, pushing, pushing.

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Speaker 6: You have to get them to change the thing, because

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Speaker 6: you can't do it directly.

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Speaker 17: But as you.

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Speaker 20: Will be blamed for any sort of healthcare mishaps or

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Speaker 20: just continuations of bad trends that we've had going on.

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Speaker 1: That is the big tough question.

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Speaker 15: We've talked about the filibuster a lot on this show,

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Speaker 15: and because Trump wanted to get rid of it to

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Speaker 15: end the shutdown, and we've generally said end the shutdown,

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Speaker 15: but only or end the filibuster, but only if you

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Speaker 15: have a home run slate of legislation to pass. Otherwise

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Speaker 15: you're just going to do some some lame thing and

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Speaker 15: then fart around, and then Democrats will have no filibuster

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Speaker 15: to do their agenda, which is a lot more clear

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Speaker 15: cut on what they want.

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Speaker 14: Carrier too, by the way, and so there are two,

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Speaker 14: Like there's popular aspects of ACA, right, it's the the

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Speaker 14: uninsured unensurable people, right that you couldn't have some very

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Speaker 14: expensive treatment that you need for the rest of your life.

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Speaker 15: The pre existing conditions people like being on their parents

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Speaker 15: and then being on.

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Speaker 1: Your parents' issues.

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Speaker 14: Would would your recommendation, just from a political standpoint, put

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Speaker 14: your political hat on, would you say, let's keep those

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Speaker 14: things in place and fix these underlying I guess statutory issues.

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Speaker 1: I mean you could. You you could instead of replacing

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Speaker 1: them all care you pitch it as like, hey, these

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Speaker 1: reforms would make it better.

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Speaker 6: Yes, I absolutely would.

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Speaker 20: So the big thing is with respect to the pre

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Speaker 20: existing condition requirement, it does add a lot of costs.

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Speaker 20: I mean, it obviously does, because you have suddenly people

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Speaker 20: who are high costs being covered and you're in the

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Speaker 20: same pool as them and you got to cover them.

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Speaker 20: So that's a big issue. But if you fix the

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Speaker 20: medical loss ratio requirement and you allow healthcare provider or

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Speaker 20: not sorry, if you allow health insurers to make better

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Speaker 20: use of their prior authorization departments, you can minimize the

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Speaker 20: downside of those people because you can offer them more

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Speaker 20: tailored care.

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Speaker 6: You can offer them.

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Speaker 20: You could say, hey, your doctor called for this, but

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Speaker 20: we actually think there's a better option here. You can

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Speaker 20: figure out what is more optimal to give them in

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Speaker 20: terms of care and save a lot of that money

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Speaker 20: that you would have wasted anyway.

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Speaker 6: But you're forced to suspended. So it doesn't matter at the moment.

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Speaker 20: It becomes a bad thing in large part because there

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Speaker 20: are no incentives to fix the issue from a technological perspectively.

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Speaker 20: You can't go the technological route and minimize the issue

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Speaker 20: the other way, which we totally could do if we

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Speaker 20: fix this other issue.

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Speaker 6: So I think keep that in place. It's fine because

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Speaker 6: it's so popular, no one.

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Speaker 20: Wants to touch it, and it like you really do

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Speaker 20: still want these people to be covered somehow, Like it's

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Speaker 20: a humane issue at the end of the day, you

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Speaker 20: want them to be covered in some way that isn't just.

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Speaker 15: Like So one last question, I'm thinking, so, you've mentioned

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Speaker 15: it's statutory issues on the biggest things, But what is

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Speaker 15: the best thing you think the Trump administration can do

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Speaker 15: right now just with its regulatory executive branch. Authority doesn't

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Speaker 15: need Congress, which is its own big problem.

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Speaker 1: What could they do tomorrow if they want it.

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Speaker 20: Yeah, they could fix tons of the issues with CMS.

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Speaker 20: So like that site neutrality thing I mentioned before, it

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Speaker 20: is totally able to be fixed. The issue is the

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Speaker 20: enforcement there. They have that power to fix that issue

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Speaker 20: and enforce it, and they've written up those rules and

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Speaker 20: they have changed those rules and they have not enforced it.

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Speaker 6: That is the big issue of enforcement.

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Speaker 20: And there are tons of things like this, So they

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01:32:52,760 --> 01:32:55,320
Speaker 20: could get away with fixing a lot by just enforcing

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Speaker 20: the rules and change. There are some things they can

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Speaker 20: change too, so they could be adventurous. There are some

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Speaker 20: untested legal theories here, like Section eight of four is

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Speaker 20: the thing that allows you states to sign up to

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Speaker 20: start importing drugs for their Medicare and Medicaid programs from

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Speaker 20: Canada at Canadian prices. If they were to be a

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Speaker 20: little adventurous with this, they could expand that by changing

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Speaker 20: two parts of the regulation so that states could import

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Speaker 20: Canadian generics that don't yet have a generic equivalent in

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Speaker 20: the US, thus lowering prescription drug prices a lot. It's

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Speaker 20: totally on the table to do a lot of little

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Speaker 20: fixes that are in untested legal territory. If they want

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Speaker 20: to try that, and they could meaningfully lower the cost

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Speaker 20: of health care considerably beyond what they've done so far

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Speaker 20: with the negotiations.

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Speaker 6: Because the negotiations they've actually make any kind.

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Speaker 20: Of duped on, like a lot of the Trump r

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Speaker 20: X stuff that they've done, where they've tried to directly

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Speaker 20: go to Pfizer and tell them give us most favored

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Speaker 20: nation rates.

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Speaker 6: That stuff doesn't.

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Speaker 20: Really work to cut prices very much, unfortunately. I think

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Speaker 20: there's a lot of room there. But the issue is.

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Speaker 1: It's sorry, sorry, we're running out of time. Should we go?

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Speaker 1: Can we go over here? We'll go a few minutes,

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Speaker 1: go a few minutes over I just love having this

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Speaker 1: guy on.

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Speaker 14: All right, we'll be right back for stream radio. Gotta

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Speaker 14: say goodbye Real America's voice. We'll see tomorrow.