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Speaker 1: What have you got for us?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the Reds have been really interesting all off season. Actually,

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Speaker 1: being unfair to the Orioles to say, what are you

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Speaker 1: doing with all this young talent if not turning that

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Speaker 1: young talent into Yeah, you know.

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Speaker 2: Hannah, they're coming off a bad deadline too. Their deadline

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Speaker 2: was not that impactful. Zach Eflin was a great addition,

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Speaker 2: no question, but the rest of it was not so good.

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Speaker 2: And again, as you just said, this is the key point.

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Speaker 2: They've got an opportunity here. They're not going to have

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Speaker 2: Gunner Henderson and Adli Rushman and some of their other

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Speaker 2: young players forever. Right, They're going to hit free agency

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Speaker 2: at some point. It's a ways a way still, but

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Speaker 2: their window is right now and they need to seize

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Speaker 2: the moment. And that's the question. Have they done a

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Speaker 2: sufficient job of that. We'll see how it plays out.

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Speaker 1: All right, Thanks everyone for all of your great grilling,

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Speaker 1: ken questions, and now it is time for due to

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Speaker 1: the Week.

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Speaker 2: Dude, dude, dude. All right, we'll start with me on

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Speaker 2: the Dude of the Week, Hannah. And it's actually a team.

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Speaker 2: It's actually an owner, Mark Walter, the Mark Walter Family

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Speaker 2: found and the Dodgers Foundation. All three of those entities

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Speaker 2: combined call them the Los Angeles Dodgers. And the reason

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Speaker 2: we're giving them due to the Week, or I'm giving

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Speaker 2: them due to the week is the one hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollar donation to the Los Angeles Wildfire Recovery Fund. That

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Speaker 2: was an amazing donation. I know. The joke on social

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Speaker 2: media was well, how much of it is deferred? Fair

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Speaker 2: question always with the Dodgers, but wildcut fire recovery and

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Speaker 2: rebuilding is so important right now, and one hundred million

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Speaker 2: dollars is a heck of a lot of money. We

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Speaker 2: know the Dodgers are making a heck of a lot

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Speaker 2: of money, but that was something that certainly warrants due

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Speaker 2: to the week, Mark Walter, the Walter Family Foundation, and

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Speaker 2: the Dodgers Foundation.

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Speaker 1: All dudes, I love it. My Dude of the Week,

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Speaker 1: Junior Caminaro. I was worried everybody had already seen this,

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Speaker 1: but I just want to make sure if anyone hasn't

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Speaker 1: seen this. Game seven of the lead them the Dominican

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Speaker 1: Winner League Championship. Oh gosh, I'm gonna butcher these teams names,

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Speaker 1: the Leones del Escodo and the Tigrist de Lise. I

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Speaker 1: do not speak Spanish. That is a shame on me,

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Speaker 1: because I should in this industry. Okay, Game seven, ninth inning, tie,

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Speaker 1: game five to five, Junior Camanaro hits a four hundred

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Speaker 1: and fifty four foot home run. It's not a walk

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Speaker 1: off because it's the top of the ninth, but it

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Speaker 1: ends up being the game winning home run and The

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Speaker 1: home run itself is not the highlight of this clip.

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Speaker 1: He takes nearly a minute to round the bases. When

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Speaker 1: I watched it the first time, you see the home run.

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Speaker 1: So he swings. It's a great swing. The ball, it goes,

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Speaker 1: and it goes so far, and you're looking at the ball,

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Speaker 1: and then it cuts back to him and he's somewhere

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Speaker 1: between home plate and first base, and he's celebrating with

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Speaker 1: his entire dat managed by Albert Poohols, And I thought,

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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, he runted the bases so quickly. He's

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Speaker 1: already back at home plit celebrating. No, he had not

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Speaker 1: even gotten to first base yet. He took his sweet

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Speaker 1: time as he should, celebrating with his team, celebrating by himself,

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Speaker 1: even even between first and third when there's no one

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Speaker 1: to celebrate with, he was finding ways to pimp the

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Speaker 1: home run in the middle of the base paths and

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Speaker 1: no one got mad, as far as I could tell.

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Speaker 1: I love that there was no brawl for this long

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Speaker 1: protracted celebration.

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Speaker 2: Championship.

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Speaker 1: Come on, No, that's that's the kind of energy we

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Speaker 1: always want. I like this because I truly years ago

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Speaker 1: there was the Reese Hoskins slow home run trot to

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Speaker 1: troll somebody, and I thought, that's perfect. That's a perfect

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Speaker 1: way to bring some kind of like rivalry ish energy

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Speaker 1: to a game that doesn't direct your emotion at the

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Speaker 1: other team. It's it's fun. It's weird. It's so specific

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Speaker 1: to baseball because when you hit a home run, you

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Speaker 1: have complete control of the pace of the game. Now

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Speaker 1: it's all on you. You get to do whatever you want.

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Speaker 1: I just thought this clip is so much fun. Seek

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Speaker 1: it out. If someone hasn't seen it, seek it out.

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Speaker 1: And and Junior Cavin Eara having a great Dominican winner

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Speaker 1: lead ops over one thousand and his leadham appearance this winter,

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Speaker 1: so something to look forward going into spring too.

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Speaker 2: And he will be a guest on foul Territory on Monday.

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Speaker 2: He's joining the guys Monday. So well that's happening. Let's

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Speaker 2: get to our next little segment.

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Speaker 1: Time for the John Fisher York of the Week? Am

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Speaker 1: I going first? Should I go first? With the dorks?

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Speaker 2: Go ahead? Hannah.

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Speaker 1: My dork of the week is Pirates leadership that includes

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Speaker 1: ownership and the front office for not doing more to

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Speaker 1: build around Paul schemes. We have talked so much this

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Speaker 1: offseason about the Dodgers and their unique access to a

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Speaker 1: talent pool of expensive free agents and maybe slightly unique

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Speaker 1: access to a talent pool of a free agents international

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Speaker 1: free agents coming over from Japan. Oh they have. They

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Speaker 1: have all the fun because they get to sign the

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Speaker 1: most expensive players. But the Pirates have access to a

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Speaker 1: unique pool of talented players too, and that it's high

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Speaker 1: draft picks. They had unique access to Paul Skeins, a

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Speaker 1: nearly major league ready pitcher coming out of college. They

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Speaker 1: have him, nobody else has him. They're paying him the

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Speaker 1: major league minimum. This man is not even arbitration eligible

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Speaker 1: yet he's going to get a full season. He got

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Speaker 1: a full season of service time because he won Brookie

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Speaker 1: of the Year. So they're on the clock to make

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Speaker 1: use of him. And they have done almost nothing. Not nothing,

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Speaker 1: because they're making small moves, but they're making moves that

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Speaker 1: are just not going to put a championship caliber team

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Speaker 1: around a pitcher who Steamer has him projected to be

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Speaker 1: the best pitcher in Major League Baseball this year. Zips

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Speaker 1: has some seventh and the Pirates are running a payroll

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Speaker 1: lower going into twenty twenty five than what they ran

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Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four lower than what they ran in

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen, twenty eighteen. They have

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Speaker 1: I think the third lowest luxury tax payroll in baseball.

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Speaker 1: Right now, they could afford to make some real moves,

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Speaker 1: some major moves, to capitalize on this moment. I hate

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Speaker 1: seeing small market teams complain about big market teams and

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Speaker 1: what they get access to through virtue of having all

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Speaker 1: this money. But you're getting access to something through virtue

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Speaker 1: of having these high draft picks, and you're not making

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Speaker 1: the most of it in the same way that the Dodgers.

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Speaker 1: The Dodgers spent huge money on Shoho Tani, and now

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Speaker 1: what they're doing is spending more money to kind of

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Speaker 1: capitalize on having that player. The Pirates didn't have to

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Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on Paul Skins, and they're

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Speaker 1: doing nothing to capitalize on having that player.

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Speaker 2: All Right, My doork of the week is on the

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Speaker 2: other end of the spectrum, and it's a Yankees owner,

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Speaker 2: hal Steinbrenner, the Yankees owner in fact. And then we

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Speaker 2: had a question earlier about how are other owners reacting

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Speaker 2: to the Dodgers. Well, here you go. Here's the quote

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Speaker 2: from hal Steinberner to Yes Network. It's difficult for most

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Speaker 2: of US owners to be able to do the kinds

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Speaker 2: of things they're doing. We'll see if it pays off.

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Speaker 2: They still have to have a season relatively injury free

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Speaker 2: for it to work out for them. Last two sentences,

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Speaker 2: No problem, first sentence, It's difficult for most of US

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Speaker 2: owners to be able to do what they're doing. Big problem.

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Speaker 2: Here's the Yankees' franchise value according to Forbes as of

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Speaker 2: last year, seven point five to five billion. That was

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Speaker 2: about two billion more than the Dodgers franchise value. Hal Steinbrenner,

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Speaker 2: he has said repeatedly, we should be able to build

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Speaker 2: a team, a championship team for under three hundred million.

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Speaker 2: He's not wrong about that. But when hal Steinbrenner groups

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Speaker 2: himself with I don't know, the Cleveland Guardians, the Tampa

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Speaker 2: Bay Rays and all these other low revenue teams, most

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Speaker 2: of US owners no, sorry, you don't get that pass.

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Speaker 2: And the Yankees right now they need a left handed

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Speaker 2: reliever and they need another infielder. Are they going to

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Speaker 2: do something? We don't know? They have to trade Marcus

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Speaker 2: Stroman in order to get more flexible. This should not

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Speaker 2: be a position the New York Yankees are in. They've

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Speaker 2: done a lot this offseason after losing Soto. No question,

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Speaker 2: but house dime Bretder that quote not good dork of

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Speaker 2: the week.

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