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Speaker 1: coming to you from from from now fallen apparently on

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Speaker 1: fire destroyed Chicago, so so so say the many oracles,

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Speaker 1: got absolutely blown the fuck out in the last elections.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, with me to talk about this election and

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Speaker 1: a couple of other elections that happened on the same

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Speaker 1: day that we're very funny and where the worst people

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Speaker 1: one of my friends and is an election analyst. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: welcome to the show. How are you doing. I'm doing well.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having Mimia. Nice to be nice to

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Speaker 1: be here. Yeah, I'm very excited. Yeah, because this is

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Speaker 1: just very funny. It's extremely funny. I personally was really

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Speaker 1: enjoying getting to read the Twitter tea leaves. You could

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Speaker 1: tell kind of which Alderman were having meltdowns on election night. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I guess I guess we could start with the

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Speaker 1: stuff that happened in Chicago, which is that Paul Vallis

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Speaker 1: the butcher of the public education system, running dog of

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Speaker 1: just kind of thwacked in an election by Brandon Johnson,

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Speaker 1: the sort of progressive candidate who I'm very excited I

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Speaker 1: Yes now, as as Mia says, Paul Vallis, resident Dino

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Speaker 1: from Palos Heights, a southwest suburb of Chicago, who conveniently

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Speaker 1: which is how long you have to live in Chicago

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Speaker 1: to be the mayor, lost the runoff to Brandon Johnson,

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Speaker 1: a black progressive who was on the Cook County Board.

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Speaker 1: About when all the results are done coming in in

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Speaker 1: Mia says, this lets a lot of people on the

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Speaker 1: left no longer have to keep up the charade of oh,

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Speaker 1: Johnson's the best thing that has happened to us, and

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Speaker 1: sliced bread if you are like more of a like

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Speaker 1: Democratic Party loyal progressive voter. This is a very very

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Speaker 1: I think it's something very interesting and kind of fitting

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Speaker 1: you've talked about is that. Yeah, like Brandon Johnson is

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Speaker 1: the first like progressive TM mayor Trevor's had since like

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Speaker 1: I mean blue to release its held Washington, who is

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Speaker 1: first black mayor in the eighties. And it's very interesting

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Speaker 1: also because a bunch of the reforms that Harold Washington

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Speaker 1: did were specifically overturned by Paul Vallis. Yeah, Like he's

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Speaker 1: the guy you did a bunch of educational reforms that

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Speaker 1: it's it's really wild. How like Chicago politics is analogous

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Speaker 1: to to go really out there for a second is

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Speaker 1: analogous the state of Hawaii in the sense that people

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Speaker 1: never die. The same people are going to be on

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Speaker 1: your ballot for fifty years and you just kind of

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Speaker 1: first reelection campaign, then they get to be one of

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Speaker 1: And slowly but surely you can make Chicago politics less shitty.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, as Mia said, this is going to be

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Speaker 1: the first progressive Chicago mayoral administration since Harold Washington. And

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Speaker 1: Johnson won the same way as Harold Washington did. On Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the backbone of Johnson's coalition, just as with Harold Washington's,

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Speaker 1: the dreams of the here's how Bernie can still win

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Speaker 1: people from twenty fifteen a actual turnout surge of millennial

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Speaker 1: don't know, like I know a lot of people who

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Speaker 1: I I don't know Da Daily. Yeah, I mean it's

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Speaker 1: really funny result I want to talk about, which is that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: so the part of Chicago, the neighborhood of in Chicago

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Speaker 1: all the Cubs fans voted for Vallace. It's so funny,

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Speaker 1: it is, it is extremely funny. And I will give

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Speaker 1: That's not to say that it like literally hasn't happened

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Speaker 1: this is a turnout and coalitional puzzle that most people

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Speaker 1: fail to put together and that Brandon Johnson miraculously pulled off. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and I think on the one hand, Okay, this is

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Speaker 1: On the other hand, most of the people attempting to

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Speaker 1: But the foundation of Brandon Johnson's electoral victory was the

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Speaker 1: that genuinely did actually get a lot of young people

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Speaker 1: the like roughly every like seven or eight years, there's

430
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Speaker 1: a massive series of arrests by the FBI or like

431
00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 1: defense come in and like discover that there's like a

432
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,280
Speaker 1: giant there's a giant cartel operating out of the CPD.

433
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,879
Speaker 1: We've talked about this discover and discovering air quotes because

434
00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,199
Speaker 1: everyone knows, oh yeah, everyone knows. And then you know,

435
00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 1: the Chicago police in particular are very famous for the

436
00:27:00,600 --> 00:27:02,800
Speaker 1: Code of Silence, which is that every single person, if

437
00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,040
Speaker 1: a cop commits a crime, every single other cop will

438
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 1: cover for them, going right up to the like the

439
00:27:08,520 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: top of the ladder of the police chiefs and all

440
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:16,280
Speaker 1: the way down to like l dipshit like like beat cop. Yeah,

441
00:27:16,280 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 1: and you know, and so you know, like if you're

442
00:27:19,119 --> 00:27:22,640
Speaker 1: a person who has to do with these people, oh,

443
00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:26,720
Speaker 1: it sucks. It fucking sucks. And like Chicago is kind

444
00:27:26,760 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 1: of um in many ways, not the ground zero, but

445
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: like a ground zero for a phenomenon where you have

446
00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 1: these poor neighborhoods of color. Who you know, the people

447
00:27:38,720 --> 00:27:42,240
Speaker 1: who live in these neighborhoods, they are simultaneously over policed

448
00:27:42,280 --> 00:27:44,680
Speaker 1: and under police because the police don't bother to show

449
00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:47,760
Speaker 1: up half the time when like they're theoretically needed, right

450
00:27:47,800 --> 00:27:49,679
Speaker 1: like someone gets shot, you call nine one one, and

451
00:27:49,720 --> 00:27:52,679
Speaker 1: the cops don't bother showing up for hours if they

452
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:56,040
Speaker 1: bother showing up at all. And at the same time,

453
00:27:56,080 --> 00:27:58,440
Speaker 1: when they do show up that you often cause more

454
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:04,800
Speaker 1: problems than they solve. Like Chicago has really truly horrific

455
00:28:04,880 --> 00:28:08,600
Speaker 1: clearance rates of violent crime. And this is mostly because

456
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:14,359
Speaker 1: CPD just insists on maintaining this really awful balance. You know,

457
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:16,520
Speaker 1: if you do believe in police, you want there to

458
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:20,600
Speaker 1: be a pretty healthy balance between beat cops and detectives. Right, Well,

459
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: this Chicago Police Department, there almost are no detectives left,

460
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:28,320
Speaker 1: Like it's almost all beat cops, and so there's not

461
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:34,720
Speaker 1: many resources that go into actually investigating crimes that can't

462
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: be solved by someone just walking around or driving around

463
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: in a patrol car. So these neighborhoods, like you know,

464
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,479
Speaker 1: you go down to the South Side or the West Side.

465
00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:46,240
Speaker 1: A lot of these A lot of the residents in

466
00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 1: these neighborhoods would tell you, because they're not leftists, right,

467
00:28:49,440 --> 00:28:52,240
Speaker 1: so they would tell you that they want more police officers.

468
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: But they don't want more beat cops necessarily, like they

469
00:28:56,840 --> 00:28:59,719
Speaker 1: want more detectives, and they want officers who are actually

470
00:28:59,720 --> 00:29:02,160
Speaker 1: going to be who care about them as people. Unfortunately,

471
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:06,760
Speaker 1: the Chicago Police Department is made up of fascists, so like, um,

472
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, low chances on that front. But it's like

473
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:13,280
Speaker 1: that is the problem these neighborhoods are facing, is that

474
00:29:13,320 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: like the police don't bother to care, and when they

475
00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:20,320
Speaker 1: bother to show up, they often make things worse. Yeah,

476
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,479
Speaker 1: and I think, you know, but I think everything that's

477
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 1: sort of important here right is like you get a

478
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: lot of you know, like it's very easy for people

479
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: to be like, oh hey, look, actually these people want

480
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:32,200
Speaker 1: more police. But it's like, you know what when you

481
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: look at what there was a study taken right before

482
00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 1: the election that was talking about voters like what their

483
00:29:39,800 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: preferences on like what their sort of opinions on crime are.

484
00:29:43,760 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I know what, Yeah we were talking about.

485
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 1: I think it was like only eighteen percent of the

486
00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: people who said that crime was important to them one

487
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:54,320
Speaker 1: in war cops and almost everyone we part part of

488
00:29:54,320 --> 00:29:56,520
Speaker 1: it was like they like one of the big concerns

489
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,640
Speaker 1: was legal guns. And then the other big conservat was

490
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: just like the fact that there's these places are really

491
00:30:01,960 --> 00:30:04,840
Speaker 1: poor and there's no opportunities for people because it's like

492
00:30:04,880 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: there's there there aren't economic opportunities. There are so many

493
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:15,920
Speaker 1: guns just on, you know, just lying around in these communities.

494
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:19,920
Speaker 1: And obviously that's a problem throughout the country, but it's

495
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:24,200
Speaker 1: especially bad in low income neighborhoods in Chicago. Um. And

496
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,520
Speaker 1: the other thing was mental health, like you know, and

497
00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 1: that's one of the other things that Johnson wants to

498
00:30:28,800 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: do is he wants to reopen the mental health clinics

499
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,240
Speaker 1: that got closed down by Ram or Ram Emmanuel, who

500
00:30:34,320 --> 00:30:38,600
Speaker 1: is a previous mayor of Chicago, who is currently being

501
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: inflicted upon the people of Japan as the US ambassador.

502
00:30:41,840 --> 00:30:45,000
Speaker 1: And you know, um, they deserve it. This this, this

503
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:46,720
Speaker 1: is what you get for siding with the CIA, You

504
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,080
Speaker 1: fucking fucking dipshits. Man. Like if the label Democratic Party

505
00:30:50,120 --> 00:30:51,840
Speaker 1: didn't want to have to get have to deal with

506
00:30:51,920 --> 00:30:56,719
Speaker 1: Rob Emanuel they shouldn't have taken all that CIA money. Um,

507
00:30:56,760 --> 00:30:59,760
Speaker 1: but yeah, like Johnson wants to you know, reopen these

508
00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:02,760
Speaker 1: health clinics. He wants to increase funding for public schools,

509
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: which have very much not gotten the funding that they

510
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:08,160
Speaker 1: need in Chicago for the past several decades at this point,

511
00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: he also want to expand public transportation in Chicago. Like

512
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:17,360
Speaker 1: there are a lot of proposals flying around for expanding

513
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:22,360
Speaker 1: the train lines and bus lines and bike rid There

514
00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,560
Speaker 1: are also, as me and I were talking about before

515
00:31:25,560 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: we started recording, there are a lot of lead pipes,

516
00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: like water pipes in Chicago. Yes, and and like Chicago

517
00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: is like supposed to be replacing them, it's proceeding very slowly.

518
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: Johnson wants to speed that up. There's like just very

519
00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:44,360
Speaker 1: genuinely a lot of research on the books directly linking

520
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:48,600
Speaker 1: lead poisoning to a lot of social problems. And so

521
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:50,360
Speaker 1: it's very much one of these things where it's like,

522
00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: you know, if you replaced the lead pipes, crime will

523
00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,479
Speaker 1: go down. And I want to talk a little bit

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Speaker 1: about the infrastructure stuff for second, because like I okay,

525
00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: in the in the last three years, Chicago's public transit

526
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:08,560
Speaker 1: system has just been fucking imploding. Oh, there are it's

527
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 1: so bad. There are. There are reasons for this, some

528
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:12,680
Speaker 1: of which I can talk about, some of which I can't.

529
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: Like partially was depend partially letters the pandemic, and they

530
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,600
Speaker 1: like a bunch of the people who supposed to be

531
00:32:16,640 --> 00:32:19,600
Speaker 1: running the system fucking died because you know, they got

532
00:32:19,640 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 1: forced to work through the pandemic. But like you know,

533
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 1: you'll like trains just won't show up. There are buses

534
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: that are basically unusable because it's it's like you're basically

535
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,520
Speaker 1: sitting there trying to roll double ones as to whether

536
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: the bus will fucking show up at all. Um, the

537
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: wait times you're enormous, Like it's a real shit show,

538
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,479
Speaker 1: and like it's it's substantively way worse than it was

539
00:32:44,560 --> 00:32:48,640
Speaker 1: when I was in the city and like fifteen nineteen. Yeah,

540
00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: it's really really bad, and it's it's it's atrocious. Yes.

541
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 1: The other factor that's we talked about there is that like,

542
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: so the Chicago public transit system is not free like

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00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 1: most system, Like it is funded by rider fares. Like

544
00:33:03,560 --> 00:33:07,440
Speaker 1: it's very Yeah, it costs a lot to get on. Comparatively,

545
00:33:07,440 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: it costs a lot to get on the trainer ground

546
00:33:08,920 --> 00:33:16,160
Speaker 1: on a bus and one of the kind of like

547
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:19,360
Speaker 1: self reinforcing cycles that has been playing out the last

548
00:33:19,400 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 1: few years that Chicago also has a really bad homelessness problem,

549
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 1: and this is directly linked to the fact that the

550
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,520
Speaker 1: city just does not want to give people housing. Yeah,

551
00:33:29,120 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: and so what ends up happening is that a lot

552
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:36,640
Speaker 1: of Chicago's homeless residents, especially in the colder winter months,

553
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:39,520
Speaker 1: they end up on the trains, especially the two lines

554
00:33:39,520 --> 00:33:43,360
Speaker 1: that run twenty four hours a day. And you know,

555
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: these are people who are really you know, they're living

556
00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 1: in really really terrible conditions, like they don't have regular

557
00:33:49,400 --> 00:33:52,880
Speaker 1: access to clean food and water, let alone like clean

558
00:33:52,960 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: access to like like regular access to like hygienic facilities.

559
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 1: And so ridership really plummeted on the lines where homeless

560
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:08,239
Speaker 1: people started to like just go on in order to

561
00:34:08,280 --> 00:34:12,440
Speaker 1: stay warm. And so you get the hit because rider

562
00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,239
Speaker 1: fares are now down because people don't want to deal

563
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 1: with being on the same train line as homeless people

564
00:34:19,680 --> 00:34:24,279
Speaker 1: who you know, frankly just don't smell that good or

565
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,840
Speaker 1: have mental health problems. And the city doesn't want to

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00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:30,719
Speaker 1: give these homeless people housing, let alone, like even like

567
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 1: smaller things like like access to bathing facilities or healthcare

568
00:34:34,760 --> 00:34:38,439
Speaker 1: or anything like that, and so it becomes a self

569
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 1: reinforcement cycle of now fares are down, so there's less investment,

570
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,160
Speaker 1: so more people abandon the system. And it is this

571
00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:49,720
Speaker 1: thing where like this will this would get solved if

572
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: Chicago committed to giving homeless people housing, but that's just

573
00:34:54,680 --> 00:34:58,600
Speaker 1: not where the city has unfortunately been. Yeah, and I mean,

574
00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:01,160
Speaker 1: you know, and what what's happening instead is like, you know,

575
00:35:01,239 --> 00:35:06,280
Speaker 1: increasing anti homeless architecture. Like Chicago train stations fucking suck

576
00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,839
Speaker 1: ass because they're all designs so that's impossible to sit

577
00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,279
Speaker 1: on anything. There only two benches in each station. It

578
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,719
Speaker 1: sucks some of these stations, like it's so bad, like

579
00:35:17,960 --> 00:35:21,000
Speaker 1: it's just awful. Like one of the things that Chicago

580
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:22,960
Speaker 1: has they have these like you know, it gets really

581
00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: really cultural in the winter, so they have these like

582
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: warming stations so that when it's like fucking negative twenty out,

583
00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,880
Speaker 1: you can be in the warming things. But there's no

584
00:35:30,080 --> 00:35:32,360
Speaker 1: they intentionally make it so there's no benches in them,

585
00:35:32,400 --> 00:35:35,560
Speaker 1: so you can't sit in them. Yeah, it sucks it

586
00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:38,360
Speaker 1: like it's it's you know, it's they have this really

587
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:42,440
Speaker 1: just like the hatred of homeless people is turned basically

588
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 1: into a war against all society waged by the city,

589
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:52,000
Speaker 1: and yeah, it's atrocious. The good news is that Brendan

590
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:55,439
Speaker 1: Johnson wants to pass an ordinance called Bring Chicago Home,

591
00:35:55,560 --> 00:36:01,600
Speaker 1: which would um put a tax on property transfers for

592
00:36:01,640 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: like I think it's like homes that are worth over

593
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:07,720
Speaker 1: a million dollars that and the money from that tax

594
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: would go entirely to funding programs for the city's homeless

595
00:36:12,880 --> 00:36:15,440
Speaker 1: residents all the way up to an including permanent shelter

596
00:36:16,520 --> 00:36:19,319
Speaker 1: or like permanent housing solutions. So you know, you know,

597
00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: fingers crossed on that one because that, I think, along

598
00:36:23,440 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: with the public safety measures, is really the thing that

599
00:36:27,239 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: the city needs the most. And Johnson also on the

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00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:36,440
Speaker 1: housing front, he wants to liberalize zoning laws, which I

601
00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 1: know is a very big debate on the left at

602
00:36:38,640 --> 00:36:41,960
Speaker 1: the moment about you know, how we go about approaching

603
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:45,359
Speaker 1: building more housing. Johnson very much is on like the

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00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 1: probe development end of things. He wants to liberalize zoning

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00:36:49,160 --> 00:36:51,080
Speaker 1: laws and make it so that it's easier to build

606
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:56,760
Speaker 1: multifamily housing and previously like single family housing zoned areas.

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00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,720
Speaker 1: He does also want to pass just cause for eviction,

608
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: so like your landlord would not be able to throw

609
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,280
Speaker 1: you out just because, which is a good thing. Chicago's

610
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: lands are really shit. They're terrible, I see across the board. Terrible. Yeah,

611
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 1: like I God, like I have seen shit doing Canada

612
00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:22,600
Speaker 1: organizing that is like like like I think things that

613
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 1: make me like have to control my reflex to vomit

614
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:32,719
Speaker 1: just remembering them. Truly atrocious. Um. But yeah. The other thing,

615
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 1: and that that something that will matter to you if

616
00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:38,440
Speaker 1: you are living in Chicago very much, is that Johnson

617
00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,560
Speaker 1: wants to cap property taxes. So um. One of the

618
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:46,279
Speaker 1: things that's been driving a lot of reactionary politics in

619
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:50,239
Speaker 1: Chicago is that property taxes here are linked to inflation, um,

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00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,560
Speaker 1: which means that if you are a property owner in Chicago,

621
00:37:53,640 --> 00:37:56,640
Speaker 1: in the last couple of years, your property taxes went

622
00:37:56,800 --> 00:38:02,600
Speaker 1: up by like fifteen plus percent, which understandably made a

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00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: lot of people mad because you know, if you if

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00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:08,279
Speaker 1: your taxes go up by that much that fast, you

625
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: at least wanted to be going to do do because something

626
00:38:09,920 --> 00:38:13,000
Speaker 1: good and under our previous well soon to be previous

627
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:17,919
Speaker 1: Mayor Lorie Lightfoot, that absolutely was not happening, yeah, over

628
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: time or some shit like yes. So Johnson is he

629
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,919
Speaker 1: campaigned on decoupling property taxes from inflation so they would

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00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: no longer just automatically go up, which would bring a

631
00:38:34,239 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 1: lot of financial relief to a lot of Chicago families.

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00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,960
Speaker 1: And also he would basically like wants to pass a

633
00:38:40,960 --> 00:38:44,239
Speaker 1: lot of taxes focused on wealthier residents as well as

634
00:38:44,280 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: big businesses to help fund some of the programs, which

635
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:50,239
Speaker 1: brings us to the City Council and how much of

636
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,359
Speaker 1: a chance he has a guned has passed, which is

637
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,080
Speaker 1: better than you might think if you are familiar with

638
00:38:56,160 --> 00:39:02,200
Speaker 1: Chicago politics. Something that surprises people who don't live in

639
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: the city is that Chicago is not run by progressives.

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00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,280
Speaker 1: There has actually pretty much never been a progressive majority

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00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:15,000
Speaker 1: on the City Council and there isn't There will not

642
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: be a progressive majority on the new one that comes

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00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:20,160
Speaker 1: in with Johnson. He is going to be presiding over

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Speaker 1: a minority government. In parliamentary terms, which I think we

645
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 1: should use more often because I'm a nerd and I

646
00:39:25,400 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: find it fun. But basically, there are fifty members of

647
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 1: the Chicago City Council. They're called aldermen because we insist

648
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: on having a city council that is the size of

649
00:39:37,520 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 1: a state legislature here, and about twenty two of them

650
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 1: are going to be aligned with Johnson more or less,

651
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:47,440
Speaker 1: so he's going to be three votes short on a

652
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 1: lot of things. At least from the beginning. He is

653
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:55,319
Speaker 1: going to be negotiating with the black political establishment here

654
00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:57,680
Speaker 1: in Chicago, which is one of the smaller machines that

655
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: is left in the aftermath of Madigans and ointment. And

656
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,319
Speaker 1: we are going to see how this goes. Some of

657
00:40:04,360 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 1: those black alderman are friendlier to Johnson from the get go,

658
00:40:08,719 --> 00:40:11,360
Speaker 1: partially because of ideology and partially because a lot of

659
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 1: them just like personally know him and like him. Some

660
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,600
Speaker 1: of them are very against him for similar reasons, like

661
00:40:18,640 --> 00:40:21,680
Speaker 1: they either ideologically don't line up or they just dislike

662
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,560
Speaker 1: him on a personal basis. Like we should talk, we

663
00:40:24,560 --> 00:40:29,040
Speaker 1: should say a little bit about Johnson's not like some

664
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Speaker 1: kind of like political political outsider. No, He's been around.

665
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: He's kind of kind He has like interesting relations with

666
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Speaker 1: the old sort of like prep Winkle, like labor machine. Yeah,

667
00:40:43,360 --> 00:40:49,279
Speaker 1: he's definitely like Johnson is definitely part of a machine.

668
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: His relationship with like the old machine was very bad.

669
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: But he is definitely part of a machine that is

670
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: tied up in like the institutional labor unions that have

671
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:03,800
Speaker 1: a lot of sway and democratic politics here, including the

672
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Speaker 1: Chicago Teachers Union, which, like you know, Vallas's whole stick

673
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 1: during the runoff was that Johnson would be a stooge

674
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 1: for the teachers Union, and the teachers Union really just

675
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:18,560
Speaker 1: like the teacher This is actually kind of funny because

676
00:41:18,560 --> 00:41:21,319
Speaker 1: like the Teachers Union really just swept the board here,

677
00:41:21,480 --> 00:41:23,719
Speaker 1: not just with Johnson, but with like a lot of

678
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 1: the city council races where they weighed in. So if

679
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Speaker 1: you are a member of the Chicago Teachers Union who

680
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:36,120
Speaker 1: does not approve of their leadership, buckle up, because the

681
00:41:36,160 --> 00:41:39,240
Speaker 1: next several years they are going they are almost certainly

682
00:41:39,280 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: going balls to the wall of like, well, if we

683
00:41:41,040 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 1: can get a may or, we can get a lot

684
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,399
Speaker 1: of other people too. Yeah, and we should mention here Vitch.

685
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:51,879
Speaker 1: So a lot of the other unions in Chicago, like, yeah,

686
00:41:51,920 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 1: they arrange a to shit. The Chicago Teachers Union got

687
00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: taken over by this group called Corps, who are like

688
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,759
Speaker 1: a sort of rank and file like left e Like

689
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:08,280
Speaker 1: I think, I think a good way to understand core

690
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:13,360
Speaker 1: is that like with the caveat that, like teachers in

691
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 1: Chicago really don't make that much money in the grand

692
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:18,759
Speaker 1: scheme of things, so like income wise, this is not

693
00:42:18,840 --> 00:42:20,919
Speaker 1: line up. But these people are very much like kind

694
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:27,040
Speaker 1: of resistance liberals on steroids. Um, Like they're not going

695
00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: to be like frontliners in a socialist revolution anytime soon,

696
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,880
Speaker 1: but like they are definitely on the far left of

697
00:42:33,920 --> 00:42:37,279
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party coalition. Yeah, well and we should like

698
00:42:37,280 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 1: they're not like like they are they are like I

699
00:42:44,080 --> 00:42:48,520
Speaker 1: don't know, I have complicated feelings on them from that

700
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 1: sort of anarchist respective. They're like they're they're as good

701
00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:57,799
Speaker 1: of a thing of like union people as like you

702
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: currently have. Again we've talked about this could change with

703
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: and you very quickly. But yeah, they've they've been responsible

704
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: for pushing a lot of things that are very good. Yes,

705
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:10,440
Speaker 1: and they've they've they've turned a union into like I mean,

706
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: well it's okay, so like I want thing to talk about.

707
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: Like they actually do go on strike, which is the

708
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:15,759
Speaker 1: thing that a lot of unions don't. Like, they go

709
00:43:15,760 --> 00:43:17,839
Speaker 1: on strike. They do they do political things that are

710
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: usually pretty good. Um, and they are an actual sort

711
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: of like they're an actual class space for things getting better. Yes,

712
00:43:27,239 --> 00:43:29,840
Speaker 1: they are. The Chicago Teachers Union is definitely like a

713
00:43:29,960 --> 00:43:34,279
Speaker 1: net good force in city politics. UM and something that

714
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:38,879
Speaker 1: also like CTU gets a lot of negative attention even

715
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Speaker 1: on a national level. And so something that surprises people

716
00:43:41,600 --> 00:43:43,799
Speaker 1: who don't live in Chicago, if they know about the

717
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 1: Teachers Union at all, is that the CTU is actually

718
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: very popular among the city's residents. Most like, people love

719
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 1: the Chicago Teachers Union. Like when the teachers last went

720
00:43:54,440 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: on strike, the public was over overwhelmingly on their side,

721
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:03,799
Speaker 1: which is why they won. UM and CTU also like

722
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: they're twenty nineteen strike against Glory Life foot was very

723
00:44:08,640 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 1: much like the inspiration that touched off a lot of

724
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Speaker 1: the teacher strikes that happened in red states over the

725
00:44:15,520 --> 00:44:18,680
Speaker 1: next several months. UM like they very much kind of

726
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 1: led the way in some in some areas. Like so

727
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 1: they are like like Mia, I have complicated feelings about

728
00:44:28,680 --> 00:44:33,800
Speaker 1: the CTU, but overall they're a good thing for city politics,

729
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:36,399
Speaker 1: and like they make Chicago a more progressive place. Yeah,

730
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 1: and this is the true for like a while to

731
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Speaker 1: like like to the extent that when like I think

732
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 1: like a back in twenty twelve, and Core was like

733
00:44:43,920 --> 00:44:47,000
Speaker 1: like back back when Core sort of first taken over

734
00:44:47,040 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: and was first doing their strikes, Like even the CTU

735
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,759
Speaker 1: people were surprised about the extent to which like when

736
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: they went out, like the streets turned into a party,

737
00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: Like people actually really do like them, Like I mean

738
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:02,840
Speaker 1: the cops don't, but like fuck them like people, so

739
00:45:03,040 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: the cops don't like them. And to see to use credit,

740
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:09,719
Speaker 1: most Chicago teachers dislike the cops. Yeah, they've they've been

741
00:45:09,760 --> 00:45:11,879
Speaker 1: they've been trying to get cops out of schools, which

742
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 1: is good because yes, cops in schools are especially in Chicago,

743
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: it's really bad. The last thing I think we should

744
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: mention about the City Council before we move on to

745
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,080
Speaker 1: some of the other elections we need to talk about

746
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,840
Speaker 1: is one of the things that gets criticized about the

747
00:45:29,960 --> 00:45:32,640
Speaker 1: left as an electoral force in places like New York

748
00:45:32,719 --> 00:45:36,799
Speaker 1: or Los Angeles, especially those two places, is that's very

749
00:45:36,840 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 1: dominated by white people. And I do want to provide

750
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: the context for those of you who are not from

751
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,000
Speaker 1: the Chicago area, like that's not true in Chicago. The

752
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,600
Speaker 1: progressive movement and the left, like the leftist movement on

753
00:45:51,640 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: the electoral level in Chicago is very much driven by

754
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:57,640
Speaker 1: people of color. And you saw this in the City

755
00:45:57,640 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: Council election results. Almost every single seat that progressives flipped

756
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:07,160
Speaker 1: on the City Council was in a black or brown ward,

757
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: and even the two wards, like the two white majority

758
00:46:11,400 --> 00:46:15,040
Speaker 1: wards where they flip seats, the new aldermen or Alder

759
00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: women in both cases are people of color. So like,

760
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,480
Speaker 1: this is just like context for those of you who

761
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:25,480
Speaker 1: are not from Chicago. This is not a case of

762
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,600
Speaker 1: like white leftists gone wild. Like this very much is

763
00:46:29,600 --> 00:46:32,440
Speaker 1: a rainbow coalition, not just in the sense that Brandon

764
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,200
Speaker 1: Johnson won the election off of rainbow coalition, but in

765
00:46:35,239 --> 00:46:39,760
Speaker 1: the sense of the electoral left in Chicago is very

766
00:46:39,880 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: very much a rainbow coalition and has been very effective

767
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: because of that. Yeah, and it's very funny too, because

768
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,640
Speaker 1: you see people like those sort of right wingers in

769
00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,800
Speaker 1: Chicago like constantly screaming about like Lake Front liberals, and

770
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,400
Speaker 1: you look at like the actual base of like the

771
00:46:55,680 --> 00:47:00,000
Speaker 1: policy shit, it's like, okay, this is this is same

772
00:47:00,360 --> 00:47:06,520
Speaker 1: dot was actually happening here? Yes, the honest like the

773
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 1: thing about like race in its relationship with progressive politics

774
00:47:11,320 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 1: of Chicago is that the most progressive neighborhoods Chicago, based

775
00:47:14,640 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 1: on their voting patterns, are almost always the most racially integrated.

776
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 1: And that's not to say that like all of the

777
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 1: racially integrated neighborhoods are progressive, because that's not true. There

778
00:47:27,960 --> 00:47:30,880
Speaker 1: are some pretty integrated neighborhoods on the Southwest Side that

779
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:33,839
Speaker 1: are like very conservative because a bunch of cops live there.

780
00:47:35,719 --> 00:47:42,160
Speaker 1: But most of the racially integrated neighborhoods of Chicago are

781
00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: also the most progressive neighborhoods. And that like really just

782
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: flies in the face of the whole like white Lakefront

783
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:56,880
Speaker 1: liberal narrative and is something to pay more attention to. Okay, again,

784
00:47:57,800 --> 00:48:00,720
Speaker 1: you cannot be emphasized enough. Brandon john in the progressive

785
00:48:00,760 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: candidate is black. He's running against a white guy. There

786
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:07,520
Speaker 1: was a very large attempt to paint like Brandon Johnson

787
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 1: is like an out of touch like white liberal. It's like,

788
00:48:12,880 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: which is very yeah, I think like they just have

789
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,560
Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, it was just the sort

790
00:48:18,560 --> 00:48:24,239
Speaker 1: of like ideological bankruptcy of like like the sort of

791
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: like capitalist establishment is like they have nothing right, like

792
00:48:28,080 --> 00:48:30,080
Speaker 1: they're there, like the only thing they have left is

793
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:32,399
Speaker 1: like calling a black guy white, and it's just like,

794
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: shut the funk up, like we believes the shit anymore.

795
00:48:36,680 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: Like and on that note, it might be time for

796
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:54,960
Speaker 1: some ads. Yeah we are, we are back from our ads.

797
00:48:55,640 --> 00:49:00,200
Speaker 1: I hope you have enjoyed the destruction of the entire world. Yeah, okay,

798
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,160
Speaker 1: so they were. We have talked about Chicago for a

799
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 1: long time because you're both from Chicago. It's very funny

800
00:49:04,360 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 1: and it's very interesting. But oh, actually, okay, I'm realizing this.

801
00:49:08,920 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: There's one more thing I do. The two more things

802
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,320
Speaker 1: I do specifically want to mention about Brandon Johnson that

803
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: I forgot earlier. One is that he you know, it's

804
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:22,799
Speaker 1: genuinely unclear to me whether this is a real ideological

805
00:49:22,840 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 1: belief he has or whether this is the thing that

806
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: you said to not get called ninety semi because it

807
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,040
Speaker 1: was electorally expedient. But he released a really really shitty

808
00:49:31,120 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: statement on like what got divestment and sanctions of Israel. Yeah,

809
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:41,200
Speaker 1: like her personally, Yeah, it was terrible. It was really terrible.

810
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:44,879
Speaker 1: Like but like, based on what I saw from the

811
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:49,080
Speaker 1: aftermath of that, I'm inclined to believe that this was

812
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,560
Speaker 1: more something he was told to say. And the reason

813
00:49:52,600 --> 00:49:55,799
Speaker 1: for that is because the reaction that got with the

814
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:57,239
Speaker 1: crowd he was in front of it was like he

815
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:00,360
Speaker 1: was speaking with a Jewish organization. Like the the action

816
00:50:00,480 --> 00:50:03,120
Speaker 1: was very like okay, dude, but that's not what we

817
00:50:03,160 --> 00:50:07,560
Speaker 1: asked you about. Um. Like it was a response to

818
00:50:07,600 --> 00:50:09,640
Speaker 1: a question about like, oh, you know, how do you

819
00:50:10,280 --> 00:50:13,560
Speaker 1: handle anti semitism? Um. And I think there are just

820
00:50:13,640 --> 00:50:17,040
Speaker 1: unfortunately a lot of really dipshit consultants in the Democratic

821
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,600
Speaker 1: Party who hear the words anti Semitism and think you

822
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:23,200
Speaker 1: have to talk about Israel, which is really truly and

823
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:28,399
Speaker 1: ironically anti semitic of them to think um, Like, yeah,

824
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:31,839
Speaker 1: I think he was probably told to say that, I'm

825
00:50:31,840 --> 00:50:34,200
Speaker 1: not going to go out on a limit. I guess

826
00:50:34,239 --> 00:50:36,800
Speaker 1: what his actual beliefs on Israel and House Dine are,

827
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Speaker 1: But I'm pretty confident that that was his consultants being dumb. Yeah.

828
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:44,200
Speaker 1: But like I like the but the actual consequences, like

829
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 1: he was equitting, like he was equitting by Nti Semitism.

830
00:50:47,200 --> 00:50:52,719
Speaker 1: He like, go, you should try to go find the

831
00:50:52,800 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: clip somewhere because it's genuinely bizarre and shit. And this

832
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 1: is this is the part of the episode or what

833
00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:05,239
Speaker 1: to remind people that, like when when when these kinds

834
00:51:05,239 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 1: of people get into power, idiots not as good as

835
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,480
Speaker 1: people think, it's going to be like another thing. He

836
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: very like he almost immediately like right after he got elected,

837
00:51:15,200 --> 00:51:18,200
Speaker 1: started trying to convince Biden to have the Democratic National

838
00:51:18,239 --> 00:51:21,920
Speaker 1: Convention in Chicago, which would be a fucking shit show. Yeah,

839
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,000
Speaker 1: this is me from the future here. Two days after

840
00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:27,600
Speaker 1: we recorded this, the Democratic Party announced that the twenty

841
00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 1: twenty four Democratic National Convention will indeed be held in Chicago.

842
00:51:31,600 --> 00:51:37,319
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's gonna suck. That effort predates him, like

843
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:39,360
Speaker 1: that's already been in the worst we like, he definitely

844
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,800
Speaker 1: immediately came out and said like, yes, I'm in support

845
00:51:41,800 --> 00:51:44,439
Speaker 1: of this, yeah, which is like some people who don't

846
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,640
Speaker 1: understand why. Okay, So, like the thing that happens when

847
00:51:47,680 --> 00:51:49,759
Speaker 1: when when national convention comes to your city is that

848
00:51:49,760 --> 00:51:52,879
Speaker 1: your city is occupied by the cops and then like

849
00:51:53,239 --> 00:51:55,560
Speaker 1: wherever the convention is happening basically turned into a war

850
00:51:55,640 --> 00:51:57,360
Speaker 1: zone because anyone who comes out and trying to protest

851
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,160
Speaker 1: them just gets like the ship beaten out of them. Yes,

852
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 1: and there's also usually a lot of anti homeless policies

853
00:52:03,200 --> 00:52:07,560
Speaker 1: they get rolled in advance. We actually we would this

854
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: is it's it's it's not as bad as the stuff

855
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,879
Speaker 1: we talked about with Lula in terms of the World Cup.

856
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:18,560
Speaker 1: But it's a similar kind of thing that you get

857
00:52:18,600 --> 00:52:21,279
Speaker 1: with these kinds of candidates where they do these sort

858
00:52:21,320 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: of like giants, they do these sort of like mega

859
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:27,239
Speaker 1: project developmentalism shit because they want the status that comes

860
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:29,920
Speaker 1: from it, and the result is stuff that sucks and

861
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: that you know, nominally like like at least in theory,

862
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:35,440
Speaker 1: like contradicts the rest of his platform, right like this

863
00:52:35,600 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: this is going to be a thing that brings a

864
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:39,800
Speaker 1: lot of cops into the fucking city. He's in theory

865
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:44,640
Speaker 1: supposed to be trying to have policing done by like

866
00:52:44,800 --> 00:52:49,480
Speaker 1: people who are cops. Um, that's gonna suck if it works. Yeah.

867
00:52:49,520 --> 00:52:52,520
Speaker 1: So and that is that is your reminder for if

868
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: you do live in Chicago like me and I, that

869
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,960
Speaker 1: just because Brandon Johnson got elected does not mean that

870
00:52:57,000 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 1: you could to sit home. Um, Like if you are

871
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:05,120
Speaker 1: involved or invested in Chicago progressive politics, Um, just because

872
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:06,960
Speaker 1: you have a progressive mayor doesn't mean you get to

873
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:08,680
Speaker 1: sit back and relax. You have to do a lot

874
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:11,279
Speaker 1: of work to hold these people's feet to the fire. Yeah,

875
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:14,160
Speaker 1: like you're like, you're you're gonna end up fighting these

876
00:53:14,200 --> 00:53:16,680
Speaker 1: people and it's gonna suck, and you're gonna have to

877
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,600
Speaker 1: do it. Like if if if you if you believe

878
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,080
Speaker 1: in the things that you think that you claim to

879
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:23,360
Speaker 1: believe to you when are not sort of just acting

880
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:28,520
Speaker 1: out of like you know, either you're not just purely

881
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: acting out a sort of candidate loyalty. You were you

882
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:32,279
Speaker 1: were going to have to fight people that you helped

883
00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:35,399
Speaker 1: get elected, and you're gonna have to prepare for that.

884
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:39,960
Speaker 1: Start the five stages of grief. Now, okay, moving moving

885
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:43,560
Speaker 1: moving on from that ship, moving on, we need to

886
00:53:43,600 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 1: talk about Wisconsin. Um. The other big election that happened

887
00:53:49,239 --> 00:53:53,560
Speaker 1: on Tuesday night was an election that flipped the Supreme

888
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 1: Court of the State of Wisconsin from a conservative majority

889
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,879
Speaker 1: and not just like lowercase C conservative, but like batch

890
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 1: and saying Christian nationalists conservative, from a majority of those

891
00:54:04,680 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: people to a liberal majority that is hopefully going to

892
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 1: make life better for the people of Wisconsin. So, for

893
00:54:13,480 --> 00:54:15,080
Speaker 1: those of you who are not paying attention to this,

894
00:54:15,160 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: which is likely even more than the people who are

895
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: not paying attention to Chicago because state Supreme Court races.

896
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,400
Speaker 1: Most people if you tell them about those, react with

897
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:29,000
Speaker 1: that's a thing. Yeah, and I mean to be fair.

898
00:54:29,000 --> 00:54:31,320
Speaker 1: To be fair, this is probably the most nationally prominent

899
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:34,160
Speaker 1: like states board election of my lifetime. That means that

900
00:54:34,239 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: maybe four people knew about it instead of one. Yes.

901
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:46,239
Speaker 1: So on Tuesday night, Janet Protoswitz, who was the Democratic

902
00:54:46,280 --> 00:54:50,960
Speaker 1: aligned candidate, beat the Republican aligned candidate Daniel Kelly, who

903
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 1: was himself a former member of the Wisconsin Supreme Court

904
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,240
Speaker 1: by eleven points, which is a really big deal because

905
00:54:57,239 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: Wisconsin voted for Joe Biden buy zero point six points.

906
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 1: So this is very much like landslide level territory for

907
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:09,760
Speaker 1: wiscon for Wisconsin Democrats, it was very much a perfect storm.

908
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,600
Speaker 1: Like the areas of the state that have been trending

909
00:55:12,600 --> 00:55:18,520
Speaker 1: towards Republicans experienced massive reversion back towards proto saywits and

910
00:55:18,640 --> 00:55:20,719
Speaker 1: the areas of the state that have historically been a

911
00:55:20,800 --> 00:55:26,760
Speaker 1: Republican also really shifted left. And the reason this happened,

912
00:55:27,320 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: the single reason it happened, is because of the Dobs

913
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:37,120
Speaker 1: ruling that overturned Rov. Wade and brought American gender dynamics.

914
00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:42,840
Speaker 1: Backed by a solid seventy five years, Protz successfully turned

915
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:47,480
Speaker 1: the campaign into a referendum on abortion rights, which is

916
00:55:47,520 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: why she won by the margin she did. There was

917
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:54,600
Speaker 1: huge turnout in Madison, Milwaukee and college campuses. There were

918
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:58,800
Speaker 1: multiple college campuses, I think where there were more votes

919
00:55:58,920 --> 00:56:04,480
Speaker 1: cast in this state Supreme Court election then there were

920
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: in the mid terms last November. So this really was

921
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:15,200
Speaker 1: like every single thing that possibly could have gone right

922
00:56:15,320 --> 00:56:19,480
Speaker 1: electorally for the Democrats in Wisconsin did obviously with very

923
00:56:19,640 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: very like grim background context of the overturning of Row,

924
00:56:26,160 --> 00:56:28,520
Speaker 1: but a good sign for the future of the abortion

925
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 1: rights movement that you know, people voters did not forget

926
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,680
Speaker 1: about dabs after the midterms, like this is still an

927
00:56:35,680 --> 00:56:38,759
Speaker 1: active force in national politics that is pushing people to

928
00:56:38,800 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: the left. M yeah, And I want to specifically talk

929
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:48,880
Speaker 1: about this for a little bit too, because like I

930
00:56:48,920 --> 00:56:51,839
Speaker 1: think the media has kind of has really I think

931
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:54,640
Speaker 1: fallen down on the fucking job here, which is that

932
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,040
Speaker 1: like these poms like because there's like all all people

933
00:56:58,080 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: in the fucking media class are either like themselves, are

934
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 1: like hardline anti abortion gools, or the people who this

935
00:57:05,719 --> 00:57:08,520
Speaker 1: doesn't affect and you know, so they just stopped giving

936
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:10,440
Speaker 1: a shit after like a couple of months because it's

937
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:16,240
Speaker 1: like whatever, who cares. But like, this is a if

938
00:57:16,280 --> 00:57:18,760
Speaker 1: you are living under this, like this is this is

939
00:57:18,800 --> 00:57:22,480
Speaker 1: like you can't fucking ignore this, no, like it is

940
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:25,000
Speaker 1: it is a it is an immense engine of death

941
00:57:25,040 --> 00:57:29,640
Speaker 1: and human suffering that you know, it's it's it's this

942
00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,920
Speaker 1: is the US, right, we live under enormal Like we

943
00:57:32,080 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 1: live under a lot of immense sort of engines of

944
00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:36,080
Speaker 1: death and human suffering. But this is this is a

945
00:57:36,200 --> 00:57:42,320
Speaker 1: kind of engine that just sweeps through I mean, it

946
00:57:42,600 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 1: sweeps across the sort of what you think of as

947
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,600
Speaker 1: like the quote unquote like like traditional sort of uh

948
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,240
Speaker 1: like I don't know, you know, like classizes in the

949
00:57:54,280 --> 00:57:55,400
Speaker 1: right thing, but like you know, it's this is the

950
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:57,280
Speaker 1: thing that kind of sweeps across the the urban world

951
00:57:57,320 --> 00:57:59,240
Speaker 1: divide in a lot of ways, Like it sweeps a

952
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: quite a lot of quite across a lot of the

953
00:58:00,760 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: certain normal political divisions. Because the Republicans have been like

954
00:58:06,520 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 1: their their their line on abortion has been hijacked by

955
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,320
Speaker 1: I want to say, hijack right. This is what this

956
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:14,960
Speaker 1: is what, this is what these people always wanted. But

957
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:19,040
Speaker 1: it's it's been it's being set by a bunch of

958
00:58:19,040 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 1: just deranged Christian nationalists whose opinion reflect maybe towards like

959
00:58:23,040 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 1: thirty percent of the country backs not even that, Like

960
00:58:26,760 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the like the ruling of the judge down in Texas

961
00:58:31,800 --> 00:58:34,840
Speaker 1: on I'm going to mess up how to pronounce this,

962
00:58:34,880 --> 00:58:38,040
Speaker 1: and I apologize, but um, if a pristone which is

963
00:58:38,800 --> 00:58:41,440
Speaker 1: an abortion like a pill that, among other things, can

964
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:45,800
Speaker 1: induce abortions. Uh, there was like a Republican judge down

965
00:58:45,880 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: in northern Texas who attempted, who like attempted to overturn

966
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,560
Speaker 1: the FDA's approval of the drug. The FDA proved this

967
00:58:55,720 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 1: drug in the nineties. Um, and and his ruling very

968
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:06,280
Speaker 1: much was insane, like on top of just like the

969
00:59:06,320 --> 00:59:10,680
Speaker 1: superficial insanity of trying to do this. His reasoning was that,

970
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,600
Speaker 1: you know, this man wrote a ruling saying that the

971
00:59:13,680 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: Constitution guarantees fetal personhood, which is a which you know

972
00:59:19,000 --> 00:59:21,200
Speaker 1: would a result in a complete and total ban on

973
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:25,960
Speaker 1: abortion nationwide under all circumstances. And that's a viewpoint that

974
00:59:26,040 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: is shared by less than ten percent of Americans. So

975
00:59:29,040 --> 00:59:32,000
Speaker 1: like it's just you know, the Republican Party has gone

976
00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:37,320
Speaker 1: off the cliff after they went off the cliff here. Yeah,

977
00:59:37,360 --> 00:59:43,440
Speaker 1: And you know, I don't know, I think this whole

978
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:45,840
Speaker 1: I think there's a lot of ways in which this

979
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,280
Speaker 1: entire sort of election, the election dynamics if this, are

980
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:50,880
Speaker 1: really grim because the Democrats, to the people who let

981
00:59:50,880 --> 00:59:54,440
Speaker 1: the shit fucking happen, right like, for years and years

982
00:59:54,480 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: and years and years, they just you know, they used

983
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:00,240
Speaker 1: abortion as an electoral thing and then did fucking thing

984
01:00:00,720 --> 01:00:03,080
Speaker 1: to actually make sure that abortion would be that you know,

985
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: would be saving and they finally lost it. And now

986
01:00:04,920 --> 01:00:07,480
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's the thing that's like like,

987
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,840
Speaker 1: it's it's it's it's the electoral issue that's coming to

988
01:00:09,880 --> 01:00:13,280
Speaker 1: bail them out of their like electoral woes, and that

989
01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: fucking sucks in a lot of ways. But it also means,

990
01:00:17,480 --> 01:00:20,840
Speaker 1: I don't know, like it's it's it's it's beating some

991
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:23,680
Speaker 1: of the worst people in the fucking world. If we

992
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:26,480
Speaker 1: want to actually make sure that people have the ability

993
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: to have safe abortions on demand, we are going to

994
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:31,800
Speaker 1: have to do a lot of fighting that is not

995
01:00:31,880 --> 01:00:37,200
Speaker 1: just showing up to these elections. Yes, absolutely, um, but

996
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 1: it is yeah, like like Amia said, it is really

997
01:00:40,840 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: just like heinous that so many of the Democratic Party

998
01:00:45,680 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 1: big wigs who presided over the fifty years of Republicans

999
01:00:50,640 --> 01:00:52,360
Speaker 1: saying they were going to be going to do this

1000
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:56,120
Speaker 1: and not taking Republicans seriously, are never going to be

1001
01:00:56,120 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: sold accountable for this. Yeah, and I don't think I

1002
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:00,160
Speaker 1: need to be you needs to be put it out

1003
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:02,240
Speaker 1: with this too. Was like the Republicans the entire time,

1004
01:01:02,400 --> 01:01:06,200
Speaker 1: We're in every single way they possibly could like outlawing

1005
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:09,400
Speaker 1: abortion without literally outlawing it, and people just stood there

1006
01:01:09,520 --> 01:01:12,000
Speaker 1: like the party which is just just like we don't give

1007
01:01:12,040 --> 01:01:13,720
Speaker 1: a shit, Like we're not We're not going to like

1008
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,520
Speaker 1: actually like fight this except for occasionally to run a

1009
01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 1: losing candidate, right, Like I don't know, Yeah, no, it's

1010
01:01:21,160 --> 01:01:24,720
Speaker 1: it's insane, And like there are there are people in

1011
01:01:24,720 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: the Democratic Party who were trying to raise the alarm.

1012
01:01:27,800 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: Those people were generally ignored. Um. But the you know,

1013
01:01:35,040 --> 01:01:39,320
Speaker 1: now that abortion rights are gone on a national level, um,

1014
01:01:39,480 --> 01:01:44,280
Speaker 1: we are seeing this electoral backlash and it is having

1015
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,400
Speaker 1: the impact of like, you know, Republicans have been unable

1016
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: to effectively make the national conversation about inflation, or about crime,

1017
01:01:55,520 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 1: or about trans athletes, which is also a losing shoe

1018
01:02:00,320 --> 01:02:03,440
Speaker 1: for them, but God knows they keep trying. They have

1019
01:02:03,520 --> 01:02:06,480
Speaker 1: been unable to make the national conversation about those topics

1020
01:02:06,520 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: because voters are now looking at them like, but you're

1021
01:02:09,040 --> 01:02:11,600
Speaker 1: the freaks that took our abortion rights away? What's wrong

1022
01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 1: with you? And in terms of Wisconsin, pro to say,

1023
01:02:19,280 --> 01:02:23,880
Speaker 1: which being on the Wisconsin Supreme Court is almost certainly

1024
01:02:24,800 --> 01:02:27,600
Speaker 1: she doesn't take office until August, which is a really

1025
01:02:27,640 --> 01:02:30,960
Speaker 1: weird amount of time for her to have to wait, Like,

1026
01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:33,360
Speaker 1: I don't know why Wisconsin is like that, but it is.

1027
01:02:34,720 --> 01:02:42,760
Speaker 1: But once she is in office, Wisconsin should have restored

1028
01:02:42,800 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: abortion access, I would say almost immediately, basically, like as

1029
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:50,320
Speaker 1: soon as someone can file a lawsuit over it, because

1030
01:02:50,440 --> 01:02:54,360
Speaker 1: right now, abortion is currently illegal in Wisconsin under a

1031
01:02:54,440 --> 01:02:59,600
Speaker 1: law from eighteen forty nine that the only exception to

1032
01:02:59,720 --> 01:03:03,320
Speaker 1: the law is to save the life of the mother, which, like,

1033
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:09,760
Speaker 1: I think people who are not personally impacted by the

1034
01:03:09,840 --> 01:03:14,640
Speaker 1: possibility of pregnancy or the possibility of childbirth, I think

1035
01:03:14,680 --> 01:03:19,520
Speaker 1: really don't emotionally internalize what the language around some of

1036
01:03:19,520 --> 01:03:23,160
Speaker 1: these exceptions means. And it's like, if you are hearing

1037
01:03:23,240 --> 01:03:26,160
Speaker 1: the words like the only exception is life of the mother,

1038
01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:30,720
Speaker 1: that's really terrifying because it means like, if you're going

1039
01:03:30,760 --> 01:03:35,080
Speaker 1: to be permanently injured as someone who's pregnant, but you're

1040
01:03:35,120 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 1: not literally going to die, abortion is not an option

1041
01:03:38,760 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: for you. If the fetus that you are carrying, you know,

1042
01:03:44,360 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: whether you wanted an abortion or not, if that fetus

1043
01:03:47,440 --> 01:03:49,640
Speaker 1: has some kind of fatal defect, that is going to

1044
01:03:49,720 --> 01:03:52,320
Speaker 1: mean that your baby dies within hours or days after

1045
01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:55,000
Speaker 1: being born, and it is going to be in pain

1046
01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: the whole time. Abortion is not an option for you.

1047
01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:01,520
Speaker 1: If you are pregnant because of sexual violence or because

1048
01:04:01,560 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: of incest, abortion is not an option for you. And

1049
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:11,160
Speaker 1: it's it's like, you know, I am a cisgender man,

1050
01:04:11,280 --> 01:04:14,440
Speaker 1: so like I can't personally understand, but like I can

1051
01:04:14,480 --> 01:04:20,360
Speaker 1: only guess how terrifying of a reality that is. And

1052
01:04:20,800 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: the you know, the only good news out of this

1053
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:28,200
Speaker 1: is that once pret to say Witz is in office,

1054
01:04:28,320 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 1: that law is probably going to go away as quickly

1055
01:04:31,280 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 1: as possible, which is a much needed victory for the

1056
01:04:36,640 --> 01:04:39,720
Speaker 1: people of Wisconsin, and hopefully is you know, carries the

1057
01:04:39,720 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: momentum forward for like post twenty twenty four, hopefully we

1058
01:04:43,560 --> 01:04:49,720
Speaker 1: have democratic trifecta again that can legislate abortion rights nationally

1059
01:04:49,760 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: and take it out of the ability, take away the

1060
01:04:52,360 --> 01:04:59,120
Speaker 1: ability for courts to strike it down. There are some

1061
01:04:59,240 --> 01:05:06,680
Speaker 1: other ramifications for the state of Wisconsin that should also

1062
01:05:06,720 --> 01:05:11,600
Speaker 1: be mentioned. For those of you who live in Wisconsin.

1063
01:05:13,520 --> 01:05:17,240
Speaker 1: If I say the words public sector union law, you

1064
01:05:17,280 --> 01:05:19,880
Speaker 1: know what I'm talking about, the very infamous law that

1065
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:23,120
Speaker 1: was passed by Scott Walker back in twenty ten, twenty eleven.

1066
01:05:23,160 --> 01:05:27,080
Speaker 1: I think that really restricted the collective bargaining rights of

1067
01:05:27,120 --> 01:05:30,760
Speaker 1: public sector unions and like this sparked a recall campaign

1068
01:05:30,800 --> 01:05:38,000
Speaker 1: against Walker, which failed and proto Sait has said on

1069
01:05:38,160 --> 01:05:41,240
Speaker 1: record she said it in a campaign appearance, because this

1070
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:45,800
Speaker 1: race really just discarded all pretensions of like judicial impartiality.

1071
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Speaker 1: But she said in a campaign appearance that she wanted

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Speaker 1: to get rid of that law. So that law is

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01:05:53,080 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 1: probably going away, or hopefully we'll be going away. Wisconsin

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01:05:57,560 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: also has very cherrymandard state legislative maps that are almost

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01:06:01,840 --> 01:06:04,320
Speaker 1: certainly going to be struck down. The same thing with

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01:06:04,360 --> 01:06:08,360
Speaker 1: its congressional maps, which means that Democrats can probably count

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Speaker 1: on two more seats in the House post twenty twenty four,

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Speaker 1: and also on a basic like do we live in

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01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:23,160
Speaker 1: a democracy or not? Level in twenty twenty, when the

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01:06:23,200 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: Trump campaign was filing all of its really idiotic lawsuits

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01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:33,240
Speaker 1: alleging voter fraud, the Supreme Court of Wisconsin was the

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01:06:33,280 --> 01:06:37,040
Speaker 1: court that came the closest to taking those allegations seriously.

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01:06:38,080 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: They voted by one vote to dismiss the case because

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01:06:43,880 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 1: one of the conservatives broke ranks and he has been

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01:06:46,560 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 1: hounded by the far right in Wisconsin ever since. Wisconsin

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01:06:52,000 --> 01:06:55,840
Speaker 1: was one vote away from just throwing out the popular

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01:06:55,920 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: election results. Like the popular vote results, so they're proto

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01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: state which winning is literally an insurance policy for continuing

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01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:09,880
Speaker 1: to have the state of Wisconsin be a democracy. Yeah,

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01:07:09,880 --> 01:07:13,960
Speaker 1: which is good, Like I don't know that having a

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Speaker 1: state that is effectively ruled by dictatorship that was about

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01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 1: to attempt to install like a dictators president, um is good,

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01:07:24,800 --> 01:07:27,200
Speaker 1: Like I don't know. This is my my my lib

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01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:32,480
Speaker 1: take on this is in fact not good when I

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01:07:32,520 --> 01:07:35,479
Speaker 1: think a bunch of people are ruled by just an

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Speaker 1: open dictatorship. So, which is essentially what Wisconsin you know,

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01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 1: has been barring Tony Evers's wins as a governor in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen and twenty twenty two, like until he was

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Speaker 1: in office, like Scott Walker presided over a single party

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01:07:53,760 --> 01:07:57,800
Speaker 1: dictatorship in Wisconsin. Um, and so like you know, but

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Speaker 1: just part of also why proto state which was able

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Speaker 1: to invite the margins that she did, because you know,

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01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:07,840
Speaker 1: Wisconsin is a swing state. It is reliably going to

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01:08:07,880 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: be close to fifty fifty, but especially on social issues,

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01:08:11,240 --> 01:08:15,560
Speaker 1: it has a liberal majority, and a lot of people

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01:08:16,400 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 1: paid attention to this race and they saw correctly the

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01:08:20,040 --> 01:08:26,759
Speaker 1: opportunity to dismantle the dictatorship that effectively has had control

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Speaker 1: of Wisconsin for the last decade plus. Yeah, and I mean,

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01:08:30,880 --> 01:08:32,920
Speaker 1: you know, the other thing, like part of what we're

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01:08:33,040 --> 01:08:37,200
Speaker 1: what's happening here is that if conservatives are actually allowed

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01:08:37,240 --> 01:08:41,040
Speaker 1: to do uncontested rule in a place that's even like

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01:08:42,760 --> 01:08:48,000
Speaker 1: kind of not just like a one like conservative district,

1113
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: the results that they, like, the actual policies they put

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Speaker 1: in place are fucking horrifying. Yeah, it's bad, obviously bad,

1115
01:08:56,880 --> 01:08:58,840
Speaker 1: but like you get, I mean, you get you get

1116
01:08:58,840 --> 01:09:01,599
Speaker 1: stuff like what happened in to see in the last week,

1117
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:08,639
Speaker 1: where they know, the state legislature expelled Democratic lawmakers for

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01:09:09,479 --> 01:09:14,040
Speaker 1: like engaging in the mildest of protests against like an

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01:09:14,040 --> 01:09:19,679
Speaker 1: open kerry bill and you know, just in a real

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01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:24,280
Speaker 1: cherry on top moment. The Tennessee State legislature only expelled

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01:09:24,439 --> 01:09:29,320
Speaker 1: the black legislators who protested, and the white legislator who

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01:09:29,400 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 1: joined them survived her expulsion vote because you know, we

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01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,360
Speaker 1: don't want to be you know, like the days of

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01:09:37,400 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: the Republican Party not wanting to be two on the

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01:09:40,040 --> 01:09:46,400
Speaker 1: nose about the racism are long gone. Um. But yes, so,

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Speaker 1: But overall, good things happened in Wisconsin on Tuesday, and

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01:09:54,479 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 1: some of the really terrible things that were put into

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01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:00,759
Speaker 1: law in that state in the last decade are hopefully

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01:10:00,800 --> 01:10:04,360
Speaker 1: about to go away. Yeah, there were some other places,

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01:10:04,640 --> 01:10:09,000
Speaker 1: mostly in the Midwest because once again the coastal regions

1131
01:10:09,040 --> 01:10:11,840
Speaker 1: of the country led us down. But there were some

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01:10:11,880 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: other places where liberals or progressives did well on Tuesday.

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01:10:17,360 --> 01:10:22,200
Speaker 1: Saint Louis, Missouri, has had a progressive city council, and

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:25,920
Speaker 1: there was a very strong kind of law and order

1135
01:10:26,040 --> 01:10:29,919
Speaker 1: challenge to that progressive majority based in the city's white majority.

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01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,040
Speaker 1: Wards and after Tuesday night, it's pretty clear that progressives

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01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:37,040
Speaker 1: will continue to have a majority on the city council.

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01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,960
Speaker 1: In Kansas City, on the other end of the state

1139
01:10:41,000 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: of Missouri, we are probably going to get the most

1140
01:10:44,600 --> 01:10:48,720
Speaker 1: progressive city council that the city has ever had. There

1141
01:10:48,720 --> 01:10:52,800
Speaker 1: the main left wing group got all of its candidates

1142
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:55,800
Speaker 1: through to the general election which is on June twentieth,

1143
01:10:56,200 --> 01:10:59,360
Speaker 1: and the main like right wing tough on crime group

1144
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: seems like it's going to be capped at winning two seats.

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01:11:03,680 --> 01:11:06,160
Speaker 1: So you know, once again, the Midwest is the engine

1146
01:11:06,160 --> 01:11:13,400
Speaker 1: of American progressivism and the West coast can suck it. Yeah,

1147
01:11:13,439 --> 01:11:15,880
Speaker 1: there is one more piece of good news, which is

1148
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,800
Speaker 1: that in Illinois there was a set of far right

1149
01:11:19,880 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: groups that ran a bunch of school board candidates on

1150
01:11:23,520 --> 01:11:28,960
Speaker 1: the like anti critical race theory, anti queer, anti trans platforms,

1151
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:32,599
Speaker 1: and actually I'll just say the names of the groups

1152
01:11:32,600 --> 01:11:36,960
Speaker 1: because people should know. These groups are Awake Illinois, Moms

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01:11:37,000 --> 01:11:41,920
Speaker 1: for Liberty, and the seventeen seventy six Project. Basically, these

1154
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:44,400
Speaker 1: groups are you know, if you went to the South

1155
01:11:44,439 --> 01:11:47,200
Speaker 1: in the nineteen seventies, you had the Clan and then

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01:11:47,240 --> 01:11:52,920
Speaker 1: you had the White Citizens Council, which was the supposedly

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01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:56,640
Speaker 1: more respectable face of white nationalism in the South in

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01:11:56,680 --> 01:12:00,839
Speaker 1: the sixties and seventies, and groups like Moms for Liberty

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01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:05,200
Speaker 1: and Awake Illinois are kind of the equivalent to groups

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01:12:05,280 --> 01:12:09,160
Speaker 1: like the Proud Boys and very you know, fittingly with

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01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:13,400
Speaker 1: the analogy here, these groups are primarily run and staffed

1162
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 1: by conservative women, just like white citizens councils were down

1163
01:12:17,439 --> 01:12:23,200
Speaker 1: south about fifty years ago, and thankfully these candidates almost

1164
01:12:23,240 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: all went down in Flames. I think there is a

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01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:31,280
Speaker 1: school board election in me and ice hometown, which is

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01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:35,920
Speaker 1: very notoriously conservative for people in the area, and even

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01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:42,360
Speaker 1: in that in our hometown, they've lost. And like these

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01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,720
Speaker 1: losses extended into Downstay, Illinois too, And like there's a

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01:12:45,840 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 1: small city called Quincy in western Illinois where it's like,

1170
01:12:49,240 --> 01:12:54,519
Speaker 1: this is a a place that votes Republican routinely by

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01:12:54,560 --> 01:12:59,400
Speaker 1: like thirty points, like a sixty five percent majority, and

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01:12:59,560 --> 01:13:04,839
Speaker 1: the far right school board candidates lost in Quincy, Illinois. Um,

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01:13:04,880 --> 01:13:07,960
Speaker 1: so thankfully people saw through the bullshit and we're like, actually,

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01:13:07,960 --> 01:13:10,040
Speaker 1: you people are weirdos and we're not going to hand

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01:13:10,040 --> 01:13:13,600
Speaker 1: you power. Yeah. Another thing it was very funny is Carbondale,

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01:13:14,000 --> 01:13:16,640
Speaker 1: which is like a very y like this is like

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Speaker 1: like this is this is this is a Carbondale as

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01:13:19,880 --> 01:13:23,559
Speaker 1: a southern Illinois ass town is like not quite as

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01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:26,000
Speaker 1: far south technically speaking, because you can go in Illinois,

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01:13:26,160 --> 01:13:30,000
Speaker 1: but like it's close. Yeah, unliked their first transperson to

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01:13:30,000 --> 01:13:32,880
Speaker 1: serve in a city council anywhere in Illinois. So like

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01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:37,720
Speaker 1: they're they're getting cloverted fucking Carbondale like they had a

1183
01:13:37,880 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: really just destroyed. And I'm very happy about this because

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01:13:43,280 --> 01:13:47,800
Speaker 1: I you know, a lot of kids are going to

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01:13:48,320 --> 01:13:55,360
Speaker 1: grow up in schools that are way less shitty than

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01:13:55,439 --> 01:13:58,000
Speaker 1: they were. Like even when I was there were like,

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01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: God help the generation before us. It was just like

1188
01:14:02,280 --> 01:14:06,639
Speaker 1: survived that like would have killed like me and most

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01:14:06,680 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: of the people like I know, like yeah, yeah, no,

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01:14:11,200 --> 01:14:13,639
Speaker 1: the schools that me and I grew up in were

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01:14:13,680 --> 01:14:17,679
Speaker 1: not a great place to be queerer trans on any variety.

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01:14:18,880 --> 01:14:21,479
Speaker 1: But I mean this is also going to help because

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01:14:21,720 --> 01:14:25,439
Speaker 1: of I have. I still don't know what the Biden

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01:14:25,439 --> 01:14:28,960
Speaker 1: administration was thinking about this, but like the new like

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01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:33,000
Speaker 1: rule that they're rolling out around trans participation in K

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01:14:33,040 --> 01:14:36,720
Speaker 1: through twelve sports through the Department of Education. Um, this

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01:14:36,880 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: got a lot of attention on Twitter in the last

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01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:44,600
Speaker 1: couple of days because I'm going to be as charitable

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01:14:44,680 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: as I can here to all of the people involved.

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01:14:51,080 --> 01:15:00,200
Speaker 1: But there was a panic on in progressive s goals

1201
01:15:00,240 --> 01:15:03,160
Speaker 1: on social media and especially queer and trans circles, because

1202
01:15:03,200 --> 01:15:07,160
Speaker 1: the Washington Post decided to frame this rule in like

1203
01:15:07,400 --> 01:15:11,800
Speaker 1: the most like hyperbolic way possible. And this is not

1204
01:15:11,840 --> 01:15:13,880
Speaker 1: me saying that the rule is good, because the rule

1205
01:15:13,920 --> 01:15:19,760
Speaker 1: could definitely still be bad. But the Biden administration is essentially,

1206
01:15:20,400 --> 01:15:24,679
Speaker 1: from what I can tell, trying to include trans kids

1207
01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:29,800
Speaker 1: in Title nine protections. The proposed wording of their rule

1208
01:15:29,960 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: is not great and definitely needs to be improved, But

1209
01:15:34,280 --> 01:15:37,559
Speaker 1: the outcome here can be good in the sense that

1210
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:42,560
Speaker 1: it would ban blanket prohibitions on trans kids in K

1211
01:15:42,680 --> 01:15:46,040
Speaker 1: through twelve sports, and it would require exceptions to like

1212
01:15:46,080 --> 01:15:49,800
Speaker 1: it would require like any exceptions to pretty much be like,

1213
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 1: you know, you have to prove that there is a

1214
01:15:53,120 --> 01:15:57,160
Speaker 1: danger to like fair competition here, which is the standard

1215
01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,479
Speaker 1: that Title nine uses for sports for cisgender men and

1216
01:16:01,920 --> 01:16:06,400
Speaker 1: cisgender boys and cisgender girls. So like can be good.

1217
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:10,040
Speaker 1: Will you know, if you are invested in this, the

1218
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: public comment period on that rule is about to open,

1219
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:16,760
Speaker 1: It's definitely a place where you should speak up and say, like, hey,

1220
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:19,960
Speaker 1: the wording of this is a little shit, Like, let's

1221
01:16:20,000 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 1: be clearer here that the presumption should be that trans

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01:16:23,280 --> 01:16:26,680
Speaker 1: kids should be allowed to participate in on teams that

1223
01:16:26,760 --> 01:16:31,520
Speaker 1: align with the gender they identify as. Um and thankfully,

1224
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:35,599
Speaker 1: because a lot of these dipshit school board candidates lost,

1225
01:16:36,360 --> 01:16:39,640
Speaker 1: hopefully some of these school boards will be taking the

1226
01:16:39,720 --> 01:16:42,960
Speaker 1: right side of history here. Yeah, go go go. Yeah. Okay,

1227
01:16:42,960 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 1: So I'm slightly more angry about this than than you are,

1228
01:16:47,720 --> 01:16:51,000
Speaker 1: because I I don't know. I think I think there's

1229
01:16:51,000 --> 01:16:55,320
Speaker 1: a pretty glaring hole in this that let's transphobs just

1230
01:16:55,400 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: be like well, obviously like yeah, and I guess yeah.

1231
01:16:59,560 --> 01:17:03,040
Speaker 1: I think the fourteine is vague and it should be

1232
01:17:03,080 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 1: made a lot less vague. I think it's bad. I

1233
01:17:05,720 --> 01:17:08,519
Speaker 1: don't know. I I think I think the backlash to

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01:17:08,560 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 1: the backlash about that went too far off. Now there's

1235
01:17:10,640 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: a bunch of people insisting that this is in fact

1236
01:17:12,280 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: a really good rule, and like no, like if if,

1237
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 1: if it's if it's If it's executed as is, it

1238
01:17:18,200 --> 01:17:19,559
Speaker 1: is going to let a lot of people do a

1239
01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:22,200
Speaker 1: lot of friend phobic shit. Yes, um, as is it

1240
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 1: is bad. If they change the wording of it, it

1241
01:17:26,120 --> 01:17:29,160
Speaker 1: can be better. Yeah, So I'd go yell at Biden

1242
01:17:29,240 --> 01:17:34,599
Speaker 1: until he makes it less shit. Absolutely, Yet you have

1243
01:17:34,720 --> 01:17:37,320
Speaker 1: to do this. Yeah, if you see him, if you

1244
01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:41,000
Speaker 1: see him walking down the street, yell at him. If

1245
01:17:41,000 --> 01:17:44,640
Speaker 1: you see him in a restaurant, yell at him. Yes, yeah,

1246
01:17:44,720 --> 01:17:47,360
Speaker 1: very very genuinely like a It's always a good idea

1247
01:17:47,400 --> 01:17:50,400
Speaker 1: to yell at the Biden administration about anything, um, but

1248
01:17:50,479 --> 01:17:53,000
Speaker 1: be especially go yell at him about this. This can

1249
01:17:53,040 --> 01:17:57,200
Speaker 1: be done multiple ways. You can reach out to your

1250
01:17:57,280 --> 01:17:59,960
Speaker 1: congressional representatives and tell them that you want the rule

1251
01:18:00,920 --> 01:18:04,479
Speaker 1: are already made better. You can go there should be

1252
01:18:04,760 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: soon a direct like form you can fill out on

1253
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,640
Speaker 1: the Department of Education website where you can provide your

1254
01:18:11,640 --> 01:18:14,599
Speaker 1: own personal opinion on the rule. But basically go yell

1255
01:18:14,640 --> 01:18:17,839
Speaker 1: at the fine administration and tell them to insert language

1256
01:18:17,880 --> 01:18:22,839
Speaker 1: into the rule that makes very clear that the legal

1257
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:28,080
Speaker 1: presumption that must be overcome should be that trans kids

1258
01:18:28,120 --> 01:18:30,880
Speaker 1: get to compete on the teams of the gender they

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01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:36,080
Speaker 1: identify with. Yeah. So yeah, having now yelled about that

1260
01:18:36,120 --> 01:18:38,920
Speaker 1: for a bit, Yeah, we should, I think start wrapping

1261
01:18:39,000 --> 01:18:44,519
Speaker 1: up the last sort of bits of electoral news. Yes, okay,

1262
01:18:44,760 --> 01:18:48,000
Speaker 1: so the last thing I think we should talk about

1263
01:18:48,160 --> 01:18:55,400
Speaker 1: is probably Denver, Denver for those of you who do

1264
01:18:55,439 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: not know me and I, which is probably almost I

1265
01:18:58,000 --> 01:19:03,240
Speaker 1: would hope almost everyone who listens to I will die

1266
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,080
Speaker 1: on the hill that Denver is a West Coast city.

1267
01:19:06,320 --> 01:19:11,200
Speaker 1: It is not physically on the ocean, but the vibes rancid,

1268
01:19:12,720 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 1: and like the rest of the West Coast, Denver let

1269
01:19:16,000 --> 01:19:21,639
Speaker 1: us down. On Tuesday night, the mayor's election is going

1270
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:25,120
Speaker 1: to runoff between two candidates who both have pretty awful

1271
01:19:25,280 --> 01:19:29,960
Speaker 1: platforms on homelessness, and there is one that is worse.

1272
01:19:30,080 --> 01:19:32,759
Speaker 1: So if you are looking for the candidates to hold

1273
01:19:32,800 --> 01:19:37,400
Speaker 1: your nose and vote for, right now you know see

1274
01:19:37,400 --> 01:19:39,120
Speaker 1: how it goes. But right now I would say that

1275
01:19:39,200 --> 01:19:41,760
Speaker 1: is Mike Johnson, not because he has anything good to

1276
01:19:41,800 --> 01:19:45,880
Speaker 1: say he's he doesn't, but because his opponent, Kelly bro

1277
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,639
Speaker 1: says that she would have homeless people arrested if they

1278
01:19:49,720 --> 01:19:53,400
Speaker 1: refuse to leave camps in public parks. So she just

1279
01:19:53,479 --> 01:19:57,000
Speaker 1: fucking blows and she should be, you know, never be

1280
01:19:57,040 --> 01:20:01,679
Speaker 1: allowed anywhere in your power. The other bit of Denver

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Speaker 1: news I think we should talk about is there was

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Speaker 1: a housing referendum where the proposal was to turn an

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Speaker 1: old golf course is not currently being used into a

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Speaker 1: housing development that would have I think twenty five percent

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Speaker 1: affordable units, and it would part of it would also

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Speaker 1: be turned into a park. And truly, what I thought

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Speaker 1: was the dumbest thing that happened on Tuesday night, the

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Speaker 1: proposal lost, and the Denver branch of DSA was campaigning

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Speaker 1: against this housing development on the premise that building more

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Speaker 1: housing is bad if someone profits off of it. And

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Speaker 1: I definitely understand that profit. Listen, like, profiting off of

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Speaker 1: housing is bad. We also need more housing, and Denver

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01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:02,479
Speaker 1: especially desperately needs more housing. And somehow we got this

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Speaker 1: incredibly stupid coalition of nimbies and like green space environmentalists

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Speaker 1: and the Denver DSA that all came together to stop

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Speaker 1: at the housing development. And Mia, I'm I'm sure you

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Speaker 1: probably think a little differently about this than I do.

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Speaker 1: But I saw this and I was like, what the hell, man?

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Speaker 1: I mean? Okay, so here's what I know very little

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Speaker 1: about this. My take is, if you have the opportunity

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Speaker 1: to destroy a golf course and you vote no, you

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01:21:29,640 --> 01:21:32,680
Speaker 1: are like, as long as you're not literally building a

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Speaker 1: prison camp like reactionary dougs the bourgeoisie, destroy every golf

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Speaker 1: course always a good you know, That's actually that's pretty good.

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Speaker 1: That's that's a pretty good line. I should start saying

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Speaker 1: it to more people. Destroy every golf course you can.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, now this it was I think the most

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Speaker 1: frustrating thing that I saw happen on Tuesday night, and

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Speaker 1: I think it is one of those questions that the

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Speaker 1: left is going to have to deal with in the

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Speaker 1: next couple of years. Is like, all right, we have

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Speaker 1: a lot of cities that desperately need a lot more housing.

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Speaker 1: So how do we get it done, if you, you know,

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Speaker 1: without just turning it over to the real estate lobby,

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Speaker 1: because obviously that would also be really shitty. Um, but

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Speaker 1: the answer cannot be don't build more housing. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: the thing I will say about this also is that

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Speaker 1: another answer is, like, you know, we've covered this on

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Speaker 1: the show to like the other part of this, if

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Speaker 1: if you don't want a city that's just like absolutely horrific,

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Speaker 1: you need to have a strong tennis movement, and you

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Speaker 1: need to need to have a tennis movement that's willing

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Speaker 1: to move beyond things like rank control and move towards

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Speaker 1: like actively like fighting disease buildings from like from developers.

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Speaker 1: And that's a that's the thing that's happening that there

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Speaker 1: are places where people are doing this. It can be done. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: so yeah, like that, I don't know, Like I feel like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm not going to go into my

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Speaker 1: entire thing on the sort of NEWBIB debate other than

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Speaker 1: saying that, like, increasing the power of tenants will give

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Speaker 1: you a bet, will we'll give you the best options? Yes,

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Speaker 1: very very much. Tenant unions are good. Um, yelling at

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Speaker 1: the Biden administration is good. Destroying golf courses is good,

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Speaker 1: and abortion rights are good. Yeah, and go fight for

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Speaker 1: these things and things that aren't elections, because every once

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Speaker 1: in a while, an election will give you a result

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Speaker 1: which is the worst person on earth has been replaced

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Speaker 1: by a slightly better person. And you know, I do

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Speaker 1: like to not be ruled by the worst person on earth.

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Speaker 1: But the the the ideal political situation is the one

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Speaker 1: we're not. We're like people cease to rule over us. So, yes,

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Speaker 1: you got you gotta do the non electoral work alongside

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Speaker 1: the electoral work. You can't just be relying on elections

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Speaker 1: to make things better. You've got to be pushing for

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Speaker 1: it all the time. Yeah, well, I say, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: am much softer on electoral work. Oh yeah, Mia would

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Speaker 1: rather Mia would rather than everyone doing electoral work start

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Speaker 1: doing better things with their time and her eyes. Yeah,

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01:24:26,320 --> 01:24:28,280
Speaker 1: but if if you are going to be a person

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Speaker 1: who does electoral stuff like it doesn't it doesn't matter

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Speaker 1: what electoral victories you win if you are just not

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Speaker 1: doing anything that isn't electoral, because the actual sort of plow,

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Speaker 1: the actual composition of political power in the city, and

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Speaker 1: the sort of the city's class composition, the balance of

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Speaker 1: forces between sort of like yeah, I mean things like

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Speaker 1: between unions and employers, right like directly between workers and

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Speaker 1: between the employers. There are lots and lots and lots

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Speaker 1: of things that are very very important even if you

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01:24:58,040 --> 01:25:01,280
Speaker 1: are an electoral list, that are mostly decided outside of

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01:25:01,400 --> 01:25:03,960
Speaker 1: almost almost entirely decided outside the ballot box. And if

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Speaker 1: you don't take that into account and you try to

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Speaker 1: just run like the most well engineered political campaign, you're

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Speaker 1: gonna end up like two you're going to get sixteen Democrats. Democrats. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now everything that Mida just said, and yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 1: hope you've enjoyed the longest amount of time I will

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Speaker 1: ever be caught talking about an election that doesn't involve

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Speaker 1: a coupe. Yeah, this make it happen to here. Yeah, thanks,

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Speaker 1: thanks again for having me. Yeah, thanks for coming on

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Speaker 1: and all of you go happen to someone. It could

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