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Speaker 1: We have investigated at length the idea of a continuing

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Speaker 2: And I think we were all.

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Speaker 1: We were all just unanimously astounded by the idea that

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Speaker 1: beings may have run into them. Guys, I spent a

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Speaker 2: Did you never seen one? Hope to never do, because

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Speaker 2: that is one of my all time night terrors. I

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Speaker 2: Even if it's not one that's gonna eat me, Just

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Speaker 3: I often stand astride the ships and look out and

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Speaker 3: imagine Jason Statham when that megalodon attacked to I don't

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Speaker 3: know mega seen the movie the movie whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: The first meg is a lot of fun. I think

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Speaker 4: Do check it.

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Speaker 4: The point is there were like sea serpents and all

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Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, far beyond our imaginings, Dear Horatio.

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Speaker 2: Before we get into.

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Speaker 1: This classic episode, we also, of course want to shout

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Speaker 1: out folks like the Swedish musician Matthias Krantz, who this

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Speaker 1: we can't wait, Oh my gosh, Please tell us weird

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Speaker 1: stuff you've seen in the oceans. This is our classic episode.

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Speaker 5: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is

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Speaker 5: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or

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Speaker 5: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A

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Speaker 4: Hello, welcome back to the show. My name is Matt,

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Speaker 4: my name is Noah.

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Speaker 1: They call me Ben. We are joined as always with

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Speaker 1: our super producer Paul. Mission control decands, most importantly, you

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Speaker 1: are you, You are here, and that makes this stuff

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Speaker 1: They don't want you to know. Longtime listeners or recent

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Speaker 1: in human existence. For thousands and thousands of years, human

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Speaker 1: beings have both feared and worshiped the ocean, as well as,

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Speaker 1: We have learned a great deal about the ocean over

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Speaker 4: really fast?

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Speaker 2: Please? Can you slow it down a little bit, Matt,

437
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 2: not too fast. I want to be able to keep up.

438
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Speaker 4: Oh okay, Well, I'm gonna give you a quote of

439
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 4: a monstrous fish from those written in fifteen fifty five

440
00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:20,920
Speaker 4: by Olus Magus. Quote. Their forms are horrible. Their head's square,

441
00:27:21,080 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 4: all set with prickles, and they have long, sharp horns

442
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 4: round about like a tree rooted up by the roots.

443
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Speaker 4: They are ten or twelve cubits long, very black, with

444
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Speaker 4: huge eyes. The apple of the eye is of one cubit,

445
00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 4: and it is red and fiery colored, which in the

446
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:41,479
Speaker 4: dark night appears to fishermen afar from underwaters as a

447
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 4: burning fire, having hairs like goose feathers.

448
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Speaker 2: What is that describing, Matt? That doesn't sound like any

449
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 2: living sea creature that I'm familiar with.

450
00:27:52,040 --> 00:27:55,679
Speaker 4: It's describing a giant monster fish.

451
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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I thought, just making sure I was

452
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Speaker 2: keeping up. Okay, all right, I'll yet.

453
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Speaker 4: But it's thought that perhaps what was actually seen there

454
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Speaker 4: was a giant squid, just due to other descriptions.

455
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Speaker 2: Well, but it's got, it's got. It's got horns like trees. Though,

456
00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,400
Speaker 2: what on a giant squid has horns like trees?

457
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Speaker 4: I don't know.

458
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Speaker 2: What's a cuba. That's a big measurement, right, I mean,

459
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Speaker 2: I know it's like an ancient form of measurement, but

460
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Speaker 2: it's like like a yard, right or something along those lines.

461
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Speaker 4: I believe we've talked about that in a couple other episodes.

462
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Speaker 4: Exactly what a cube it is in the measurement.

463
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Speaker 2: Oh, it's like the length of your arm. Yeah, from

464
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Speaker 2: your elbow to your to your fingers.

465
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Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, just one more here from the Odyssey, if

466
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Speaker 4: you guys are cool with it, there's a sea monster

467
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Speaker 4: called the skila or skia Skyla. Maybe I can't I

468
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Speaker 4: can't remember from my days of learning about Greek myths,

469
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Speaker 4: but here's here's the quote. Her legs and there are

470
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Speaker 4: twelve are like great tentacles, unjointed and upon her serpent

471
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Speaker 4: necks are born six heads like nightmares of ferocity and

472
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Speaker 4: triple serried rows of fangs and deep gullets of black death.

473
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Speaker 4: Half her length. She sways her heads in air.

474
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Speaker 2: Oh, deep gullets of black death.

475
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Speaker 4: I like that one, really creepy. But again it sounds

476
00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:16,080
Speaker 4: a little bit like it could be a giant squid

477
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Speaker 4: that was observed and just there was no understanding of

478
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Speaker 4: what it was.

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Speaker 1: And so there are multiple, multiple examples. You know, typically

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Speaker 1: in the West, we tend to think of things that

481
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Speaker 1: occurred in the Atlantic or Mediterranean or Middle East, you know,

482
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Speaker 1: from Middle Eastern cultures, Phoenicians and so on. One example from

483
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Speaker 1: Nordic folklore would of course be the Kraken. I think

484
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Speaker 1: a lot of us were waiting for the kraken to

485
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Speaker 1: show up. This was a cryptid before the word existed,

486
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Speaker 1: wreaking havoc from Norway to Greenland. But the vast majority

487
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Speaker 1: of people of Nordic people believed in this thing, and

488
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Speaker 1: many thought they had seen it. Its imo was to

489
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Speaker 1: attack vessels with its tentacles wrapping around a ship, and

490
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Speaker 1: if unable to pull the ship down, this creature would

491
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Speaker 1: begin circling the vessel, creating a maelstrom or a vortex

492
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Speaker 1: that would drag the ship beneath the waves. Legends said

493
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Speaker 1: the kraken could devour the entire crew of a ship

494
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Speaker 1: in a single go. One of our first documented allegations

495
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Speaker 1: of this creature's existence dates back to a story written

496
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Speaker 1: in eleven eighty CE by a King Zvere of Norway.

497
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Speaker 1: And this is I want to point out here, and

498
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Speaker 1: I think I talked about this in a previous episode.

499
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Speaker 2: The idea of a.

500
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Speaker 1: Creature devouring an entire ship might seem outlandish now, but

501
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:53,600
Speaker 1: we have to remember the average size of a ship

502
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,800
Speaker 1: was much smaller back then. So what would have been

503
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Speaker 1: considered a big ship attacked and justid by a fish

504
00:31:01,600 --> 00:31:04,880
Speaker 1: is you know, it's not as big as the megayachts

505
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Speaker 1: of today. But still these people, again, there are people.

506
00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,920
Speaker 1: They're as smart as anyone listening today in twenty twenty, right,

507
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 1: the brain, the hardware hasn't evolved all that much. So

508
00:31:18,360 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 1: we have to ask, if these things are so dangerous,

509
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,560
Speaker 1: why would you mess with them at all. In the

510
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Speaker 1: case of the Kraken, it's because there was enormous profit

511
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Speaker 1: or potential for profit. The Kraken was accompanied by large, large,

512
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Speaker 1: ginormous schools of fish that would follow it around, and

513
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Speaker 1: when it surfaced, when it breached the water, fish cascaded

514
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Speaker 1: off the creature's back. And that meant that if your

515
00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 1: boat was around, all you had to do was literally

516
00:31:47,680 --> 00:31:49,960
Speaker 1: have a net in the water, and then you could

517
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Speaker 1: get more fish than you would in months otherwise.

518
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Speaker 2: Pretty cool. That's a kind of a net positive sea

519
00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 2: monster side effect. I'd be good about that. Oh man,

520
00:32:00,720 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 2: I didn't even catch that, but no, you know, the

521
00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 2: krakend definitely sounds like a giant squid.

522
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Speaker 1: Now, yeah, we see a lot of descriptions of tentacles,

523
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:10,040
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. We see a lot of

524
00:32:10,080 --> 00:32:14,800
Speaker 1: descriptions of a pretty agro, pretty big, many armed thing.

525
00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:18,720
Speaker 1: And of course, at this point, finally getting to say

526
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Speaker 1: this on air, Hail Hydra, shout out to the myth

527
00:32:23,160 --> 00:32:27,200
Speaker 1: of old More on that later, but you know, that's

528
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 1: another that's another Greek myth I believe in the story

529
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Speaker 1: of Hydra. The idea is that you lop off one

530
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Speaker 1: one head. It's a multi headed beast. You lop off

531
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Speaker 1: one head and two grow in its place. It's also

532
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: done a lot for the Marvel cinematic universe, which I'm

533
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Speaker 1: sure is what the Greeks were thinking about when they.

534
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Speaker 2: Wrote that, No question, they were laying the groundwork. So

535
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Speaker 2: next we have something from Japan, a creature, a sea

536
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Speaker 2: wrecking creature known as the Umi Bozoo that was rumored

537
00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 2: to attack, specifically in calm waters, where it would rise up,

538
00:33:06,280 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: creating this kind of self contained maelstrom and described as

539
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Speaker 2: a black phantom with two huge eyes. Okay, just phantom.

540
00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,080
Speaker 2: I'm picturing like ghost shaped, you know, So let's just again,

541
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Speaker 2: We're gonna come back to this two huge eyes. And

542
00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: in the lore of the time, this Omi Bozou was

543
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Speaker 2: thought to be a spirit of some sort rather than

544
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Speaker 2: an actual corporeal creature, and the only way to escape

545
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:38,040
Speaker 2: this thing was to kind of almost like distract it

546
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: like a cat, you know, with like a like a

547
00:33:41,160 --> 00:33:44,080
Speaker 2: mouse toy or like a feather. But they would use

548
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Speaker 2: what they referred to as a bottomless barrel, and I

549
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:49,040
Speaker 2: had to offer Mike ask Ben to clarify what the

550
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,160
Speaker 2: hell that is. And it's it's pretty simple when you

551
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,440
Speaker 2: think about it. A bottomless barrel is a barrel with

552
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 2: no bottom, a cylinder. You take out both ends and

553
00:33:57,200 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 2: it becomes bottomless and infinite, and it would just like

554
00:34:00,840 --> 00:34:02,720
Speaker 2: be all, what the hell is this? I got it?

555
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:04,960
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, and they need to sail away while

556
00:34:05,000 --> 00:34:05,800
Speaker 2: it's confused.

557
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Speaker 1: That's the thing about folklore, right, we see the truth

558
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: but told slant. As Emily Dickinson would later go on

559
00:34:13,080 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: to note, what's odd about this and what differentiates this

560
00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,160
Speaker 1: folklore from a lot of other folklore throughout human civilization,

561
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: unlest it's human and pre human civilization, but no spoilers,

562
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: that's a different episode, is that the folklore here does

563
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: have often provable I will say provable seeds of the truth.

564
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Speaker 1: There's the little grain of sand that makes the pearl

565
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:47,800
Speaker 1: of legend. Research shows the ocean has indisputably been home

566
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Speaker 1: to enormous dangerous creatures in the distant past. It's home

567
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,920
Speaker 1: to enormous dangerous creatures now, of course, but it was

568
00:34:55,920 --> 00:34:58,360
Speaker 1: also home to things like the meglodon.

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Speaker 4: Oh yes, the ma That was a big old shark

570
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 4: three times the size of a great white with teeth

571
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:07,320
Speaker 4: as big as your hand. Hope they're really extinct?

572
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,359
Speaker 1: Oh man, I don't know, Matt. I kind of hope

573
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: they're still around, not around me specifically, but just like

574
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: out in the world megalodonning even look.

575
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Speaker 4: You said to yourself, the populations of sea creatures are declining.

576
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:26,480
Speaker 4: What's that megalodon doing other than just slurping up sea

577
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 4: creatures or mashing them violently with its teeth that are

578
00:35:31,160 --> 00:35:32,480
Speaker 4: the size of fists.

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Speaker 1: My heart goes out to sharks. They're amazing animals if

580
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Speaker 1: you look at the mechanism of their evolution and adaptation,

581
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Speaker 1: and also their existence seems very stressful to me, since

582
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Speaker 1: they the way that their gills are structured. They can't act,

583
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Speaker 1: they can't stand still. They always have to keep moving

584
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Speaker 1: and forcing water through the gills. It's stressful. But even

585
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Speaker 1: if a megaladon was around now, it would not be

586
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:02,359
Speaker 1: the largest creature the ocean is home to proven like

587
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:09,120
Speaker 1: kaiju size things, right, like the blue whale is sorry,

588
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:14,640
Speaker 1: dinosaurs officially the largest single animal ever confirmed to exist.

589
00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:15,160
Speaker 4: Ever.

590
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Speaker 2: Ooh, by the way, you guys, I remember there was

591
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Speaker 2: an episode a while back where space whales came up

592
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Speaker 2: and I was trying to wreck my brain, like where

593
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:25,279
Speaker 2: have I seen space whales? And I said, I thought

594
00:36:25,280 --> 00:36:27,560
Speaker 2: it was as artists French artist Mobius, and then I

595
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:30,560
Speaker 2: thought it was maybe Salvador Dali or something, and a

596
00:36:30,680 --> 00:36:33,160
Speaker 2: listener wrote in and said it was actually from an

597
00:36:33,200 --> 00:36:36,600
Speaker 2: episode of Futurama. I wish I remember the listener's name,

598
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:39,600
Speaker 2: but if you're hearing this, thank you listener. My brain

599
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,080
Speaker 2: was eating itself over that one, basically. But yeah, it's true.

600
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Speaker 2: And you know I've mentioned that I'm also I have

601
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Speaker 2: an abiding fear of large things that lurk beneath the depths,

602
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,080
Speaker 2: and that I often have had dreams where I feel

603
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: myself as this speck in this massive ocean with like

604
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Speaker 2: huge unseen things kind of lurking about, and then like

605
00:37:00,719 --> 00:37:02,560
Speaker 2: a whale will come up under me and just sort

606
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 2: of scoop me up and it doesn't eat me. It's

607
00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: just more of this kind of fear of its sheer size.

608
00:37:08,440 --> 00:37:11,879
Speaker 2: And it's true. The blue whale is absolutely massive. I mean,

609
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna know it when it comes up under you

610
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 2: in the ocean, or when you see it, hopefully from

611
00:37:17,000 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 2: the safety of like, you know, one of those tours,

612
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:24,120
Speaker 2: those boat tours. One hundred people can fit into its mouth,

613
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 2: not its guts, its mouth, its heart is the size

614
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:31,319
Speaker 2: of a small car, maybe maybe not even a small car. Ben,

615
00:37:31,400 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: what do you think a medium car like a like

616
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 2: a mid sized suv.

617
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: It's it's a car. They could comfortably seat four to

618
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Speaker 1: five people.

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Speaker 4: Got it, okay?

620
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Speaker 2: And the beat of that heart can be detected from

621
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Speaker 2: two miles away. But we've got some other things on

622
00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 2: the list of massive underwater dwelling creatures, things like sperm whales,

623
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Speaker 2: the whale shark, the basking shark, and of course our

624
00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: pal and yours, the giant civic octopus. Not to mention

625
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,759
Speaker 2: the lion's main jellyfish, which can reach more than one

626
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:09,960
Speaker 2: hundred and twenty feet or thirty six point six meters

627
00:38:10,320 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: in length.

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Speaker 4: But the lion's main is mostly creepy tentacles, right or not?

629
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Speaker 4: Tentacles creepy? Are they called tentacles in a jellyfish? They're

630
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:33,000
Speaker 4: tendrilsl Yeah, yeah, terrifying lion's main tendrils. Those really freak

631
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Speaker 4: me out. Did jellyfish give you, guys the same kind

632
00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 4: of feelings when you're thinking about swimming in the ocean.

633
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:41,799
Speaker 2: I think they're beautiful to look at in an aquarium tank,

634
00:38:41,880 --> 00:38:45,040
Speaker 2: but yeah, I mean they definitely because they're they're stingy boys, right,

635
00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,080
Speaker 2: I mean, they will mess you up and then you

636
00:38:47,120 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 2: got to pee on yourself.

637
00:38:48,600 --> 00:38:54,040
Speaker 1: Not all jelly hashtag. Not all jellyfish right are poisonous,

638
00:38:54,080 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 1: but I personally I love them. I think it's like

639
00:38:57,320 --> 00:39:03,439
Speaker 1: watching a cloud underwater, or you know, a nebula through

640
00:39:03,440 --> 00:39:08,000
Speaker 1: a telescope. Also, jellyfish, at least one tiny species of

641
00:39:08,080 --> 00:39:13,319
Speaker 1: jellyfish occupies a top ten position and Bend's list of

642
00:39:13,360 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: top ten animals because it's functionally immortal. You remember that

643
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 1: one matt it grows up and then if it's injured

644
00:39:19,719 --> 00:39:22,520
Speaker 1: or something, it returns to a juvenile phase and lives

645
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:28,319
Speaker 1: its life again. We did an episode on real life

646
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:32,600
Speaker 1: immortality a number of years ago now, and there is

647
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:36,759
Speaker 1: real life immortality at least for some animals, and they're

648
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: all pretty crappy versions of immortality.

649
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Speaker 2: But yes, I will say the jellyfish outside of their waters,

650
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,520
Speaker 2: they don't hold up so well. They're super blobby and

651
00:39:47,600 --> 00:39:49,399
Speaker 2: like like a thing that you'd want to step over

652
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Speaker 2: on the beach, and if they are stingy ones, you

653
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:53,520
Speaker 2: definitely would want to step over them. But it just

654
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Speaker 2: goes to show how specifically adapted they are for life

655
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Speaker 2: in the ocean. As the case with all of the

656
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Speaker 2: creatres we're talking about today, they don't they cannot hold

657
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Speaker 2: up outside of the water.

658
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Speaker 4: But some of those mental wars are very difficult to detect,

659
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Speaker 4: and they've got really long tendrils, and you would never

660
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Speaker 4: know who's there and it could kill humans. Okay, maybe

661
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Speaker 4: I just have a weird thing with jellyfish.

662
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Speaker 1: Well well, also, that's not to sound like a jerk,

663
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Speaker 1: but one of the reasons I really wanted to hit

664
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Speaker 1: the idea of specificity of adaptation is should humans be

665
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Speaker 1: under the water?

666
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Speaker 2: How far should we be.

667
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,719
Speaker 1: Under the water? You know what I mean, Like if

668
00:40:32,760 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: you're I don't want to like victim blame or anything,

669
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Speaker 1: because I know life is crazy and everybody's the main

670
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:45,719
Speaker 1: character of their own story. But the maybe maybe jellyfish

671
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Speaker 1: and attacking leviathans are a sign that we should we

672
00:40:51,600 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 1: shouldn't go too far into the depths. I mean, the

673
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,840
Speaker 1: more you think about it, it makes sense to ask

674
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Speaker 1: could there still be enormous creatures out there in the brine.

675
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 1: One of the things we talked about off air as

676
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Speaker 1: we were diving into this episode was Jules vern Of course,

677
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Speaker 1: his famous eighteen seventy novel twenty Thousand Leagues Under the Sea.

678
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:17,160
Speaker 1: Don't think too much about the unit of measurement there

679
00:41:17,360 --> 00:41:21,480
Speaker 1: just to enjoy the poetic title. There's a quote here

680
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:26,520
Speaker 1: from vern that applies to this episode, and it's this,

681
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Speaker 1: either we do know all the varieties of beings which

682
00:41:32,040 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: people our planet.

683
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 5: Or we do not.

684
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,400
Speaker 1: If we do not know them all, if nature still

685
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: has secrets in the deeps, for us, nothing is more

686
00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: conformable to reason than to admit the existence of fishes

687
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: or cetaceans of other kinds, or even of new species.

688
00:41:51,840 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 2: So could sea monsters be real? Well, we'll dive right

689
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Speaker 2: into that after a quick sponsor break.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets crazy, and it does get crazy.

691
00:42:12,080 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: Could the monsters be real? This genuinely depends on how

692
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Speaker 1: you define monster. If we're talking about monsters, as in

693
00:42:20,960 --> 00:42:24,839
Speaker 1: creatures of monstrous size, then our odds of finding one

694
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,839
Speaker 1: understandably go down. But they don't go down as far

695
00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 1: as you might think, because we still have a lot

696
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Speaker 1: to learn about the ocean. But we're learning more about

697
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Speaker 1: it now than ever before.

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Speaker 4: Yes, that is correct. Numerous governments and their militaries are

699
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Speaker 4: able to detect the movement of very large objects from

700
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Speaker 4: far away when it comes to things submerged in the ocean,

701
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 4: and as we talked about in our episode we covered

702
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 4: not that long ago about sonar and its effects on

703
00:42:57,200 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 4: marine animals. Earth's oceans essentially have like roaming detection networks

704
00:43:02,480 --> 00:43:05,960
Speaker 4: in the form of submarines, which is very very true,

705
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:11,919
Speaker 4: and commercial shipping vessels. And there's also purported technology that

706
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Speaker 4: maybe the US military and other militaries have miked up

707
00:43:15,880 --> 00:43:20,360
Speaker 4: the oceans to a large degree. So there's affirmed.

708
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Speaker 1: I think it's confirmed.

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Speaker 4: I think it is confirmed too. I know it is

710
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Speaker 4: confirmed at least from the US's side, but I wonder

711
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Speaker 4: how many other countries have something similar in place.

712
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Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that's a very good point, Matt. And

713
00:43:36,480 --> 00:43:41,359
Speaker 1: we essentially have some form of roaming detection networks. They're

714
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 1: meant to detect other works of humanity more so than

715
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:52,040
Speaker 1: other animals, but they work. That's why we spent billions

716
00:43:52,080 --> 00:43:58,480
Speaker 1: building them, and we still have found huge, occluded disturbing things.

717
00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:01,719
Speaker 1: So one thing that was tough for us to not

718
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Speaker 1: spoil in the Hear of the Fat portion of today's

719
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Speaker 1: show is that the source of many many sea serpent

720
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:15,440
Speaker 1: and sea monster myths across the across the centuries turns

721
00:44:15,480 --> 00:44:18,160
Speaker 1: out probably to be based in a real thing. The

722
00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: colossal or the giant squid. Today it's known as Architathus Dukes.

723
00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:28,880
Speaker 1: It's as old, like rumors of this are as old

724
00:44:29,080 --> 00:44:35,320
Speaker 1: as the first days of sailing, honestly, but for centuries

725
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: the only proof we had was really creepy, really circumstantial,

726
00:44:39,760 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 1: disturbing stuff, nearly unidentifiable carcasses wash ashore, the lone survivor

727
00:44:46,600 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: of a shipwreck shows up with you know, like with

728
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:54,800
Speaker 1: missing crew members and a nineteen foot tentacle that's rotting

729
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:58,720
Speaker 1: in the sun. And then we find, you know, giant

730
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:03,120
Speaker 1: known creatures, especially sperm whales in the in the era

731
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 1: of whaling, right you know the movie Dick Days and Beyond.

732
00:45:08,280 --> 00:45:13,240
Speaker 1: You would find whales that had scars, like gigantic sucker

733
00:45:13,320 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: marks that were wrought by some unknown animal. Or you

734
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: would find these gigantic beaks. They looked like kiju beaks.

735
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,840
Speaker 1: They looked like the beaks of a squid that no

736
00:45:27,080 --> 00:45:29,839
Speaker 1: God would ever put on this planet, right, because these

737
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:33,800
Speaker 1: are very religious people finding these two And it wasn't

738
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Speaker 1: until maybe in your lifetime, fellow conspiracy realists, that scientists

739
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 1: finally got a photograph of a real life krackt and

740
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:50,600
Speaker 1: that was just like one blurry paparazzi under the sea's photo.

741
00:45:50,840 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 4: You know that was yeah, that was alive, right, it was, Oh,

742
00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:56,960
Speaker 4: there's one swimmer. I wasn't a carcass, it wasn't some remnant.

743
00:45:57,040 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 4: It was an actual thing swimming around. And then think

744
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:07,399
Speaker 4: about this. It wasn't until the you know, the Mayan Apocalypse,

745
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, twenty twelve when we acquired actual video footage

746
00:46:14,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 4: of a live giant squid existing in its in its environment,

747
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 4: because there was there was another time earlier than that

748
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,000
Speaker 4: where a giant squid was I believe caught essentially and

749
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,720
Speaker 4: pulled up to the surface.

750
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Speaker 1: By the Japanese fishing vessel.

751
00:46:30,520 --> 00:46:32,040
Speaker 4: That was the one we were just talking about, right,

752
00:46:33,080 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 4: was that two thousand and six? Maybe I think something

753
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 4: around that time where one got pulled up from from

754
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:43,439
Speaker 4: the depths to the surface, just in the act of

755
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:48,320
Speaker 4: a large fishing operation. But yeah, twenty twelve, twenty thirteen

756
00:46:48,360 --> 00:46:51,200
Speaker 4: as well, we acquired actual video footage of a giant

757
00:46:51,239 --> 00:46:53,440
Speaker 4: squid and it was creepy.

758
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,359
Speaker 2: And you know, if you guys ever seen that Noah

759
00:46:56,360 --> 00:47:00,200
Speaker 2: Baumbach movie The Squid and the Whale, it references a

760
00:47:00,280 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 2: diorama that you can see at the Museum of Natural

761
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:07,120
Speaker 2: History in New York of a massive sperm whale essentially

762
00:47:07,200 --> 00:47:10,600
Speaker 2: doing battle with one of these kraken like creatures. And

763
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:14,359
Speaker 2: it's pretty epic to look at. Still on display there

764
00:47:14,360 --> 00:47:14,920
Speaker 2: as far as I know.

765
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was there last time I went. I love

766
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:21,080
Speaker 1: that museum. It's I don't know. A lot of that

767
00:47:21,200 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: museum is dark when you get into the exhibits. I

768
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: like dark museums. These creatures like dark areas of the water.

769
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Speaker 1: They live in very deep areas of the ocean. As

770
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Speaker 1: far as we can tell, again, we know very little

771
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Speaker 1: about them. They're anywhere from thirteen hundred to three thousand

772
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Speaker 1: feet down. We know that they can grow larger than

773
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Speaker 1: some whales. The only predator of theirs we know about

774
00:47:45,680 --> 00:47:50,040
Speaker 1: is the sperm whale. We don't know how large these

775
00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:53,239
Speaker 1: things can get, yet we know that they are stronger

776
00:47:53,239 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: than an elephant. We know that a bite from their

777
00:47:56,560 --> 00:48:02,720
Speaker 1: beak has enough force to sever steel cables. This means

778
00:48:02,840 --> 00:48:05,240
Speaker 1: that if one of these made it to the surface

779
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:11,359
Speaker 1: in the days of wooden boats, that boat would In short, well,

780
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Speaker 1: it's a family show, so I'm just going to say

781
00:48:13,640 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: they would be very deep trouble.

782
00:48:15,880 --> 00:48:20,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, well, what if your ship has a steel hull,

783
00:48:21,160 --> 00:48:25,400
Speaker 4: It doesn't seem to matter. These daily can go through anything.

784
00:48:26,040 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: You could puncture that. Yeah, just stay on their good side.

785
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 4: I mean.

786
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Speaker 1: The craziest thing about this, it's a real life sea monster.

787
00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:35,760
Speaker 1: It fits some of the qualities we described, right, and.

788
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:38,919
Speaker 2: We know so.

789
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,520
Speaker 1: Very little about it. We still have a lot of

790
00:48:41,600 --> 00:48:45,239
Speaker 1: questions about large sea animals that everybody's kind of familiar with. Right,

791
00:48:45,280 --> 00:48:47,520
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff we don't understand about whales.

792
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:50,960
Speaker 1: We know even less about these things. As recently as

793
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Speaker 1: June of twenty twenty of this year. Last month, as

794
00:48:54,719 --> 00:49:00,160
Speaker 1: we record this, we learned new stuff about these monsters.

795
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Speaker 1: A juvenile version of them washed up on the shores

796
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Speaker 1: of South Africa. This is not the first time it happened,

797
00:49:07,080 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 1: but this creature was already thirteen feet long. That's baby

798
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:14,360
Speaker 1: size for these guys, right. It's a mini me of

799
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:19,080
Speaker 1: a giant squid. But it was just about two years old.

800
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Speaker 1: We also don't know how long they live. We don't

801
00:49:22,360 --> 00:49:25,719
Speaker 1: know how big they grow while they're alive. And they're

802
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 1: not the only thing out there. I mean, I I

803
00:49:29,360 --> 00:49:32,640
Speaker 1: say we go full Lovecraft. Let's point out that the

804
00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: ocean is also home to giant deep sea worms. And

805
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: when we say giant, we mean giant. They also glow

806
00:49:40,920 --> 00:49:41,719
Speaker 1: in the dark.

807
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Speaker 2: So you know, these guys well as individuals, wouldn't necessarily

808
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,520
Speaker 2: be considered in the same league. Yeah, that's a sea

809
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 2: punt as well as the rest of these animals that

810
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: we're talking about today. They're called pyrosomes and their free

811
00:49:59,719 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 2: flow voting tunicates. They're also known as the unicorns of

812
00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 2: the sea. But they're they're pretty big, you know, they're

813
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:10,800
Speaker 2: big enough for a human to ride, but they also

814
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:16,080
Speaker 2: kind of create these massive swarms. They're soft and delicate,

815
00:50:16,280 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 2: like some sort of like feather boa perhaps, And again,

816
00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 2: like bend off Off, Mic pointed out that these are

817
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: really in kind of on a technicality, sea monster by default.

818
00:50:28,440 --> 00:50:32,440
Speaker 2: That's because each of the worms is actually a colony

819
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 2: of a thousands of individual creatures, and the individuals themselves

820
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 2: are super tiny. It's almost like they operating this crazy

821
00:50:42,719 --> 00:50:44,040
Speaker 2: hive mind type situation.

822
00:50:45,000 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they're like a big commune, you know, and

823
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:54,640
Speaker 1: jellyfish often also or creatures of colony or hive. But

824
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Speaker 1: these giant sea worms are also we should mention because

825
00:51:01,000 --> 00:51:04,640
Speaker 1: Chekhov's gun rule. Right, we did. We did name drop Lovecraft,

826
00:51:04,719 --> 00:51:07,000
Speaker 1: so we have to follow up on that. These worms

827
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Speaker 1: are not eldritch objects of warship sleeping beneath the waves

828
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 1: for AONs, waiting for the stars to be right. This

829
00:51:15,120 --> 00:51:17,239
Speaker 1: is not a case of that is not dead, which

830
00:51:17,320 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 1: can eternal lie and with strange AONs even death may

831
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Speaker 1: die kind of thing. It's not We're not at Cuthulhu

832
00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:29,920
Speaker 1: level yet. But Matt Noll, while we are on the

833
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:34,719
Speaker 1: subject of waking ancient creatures, it's time to ask what

834
00:51:35,239 --> 00:51:40,359
Speaker 1: about the other monsters. We have sea monster news for you.

835
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Speaker 4: Well, as we stated before, we've been talking about giant monsters,

836
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 4: right that we've been describing monsters as something that is

837
00:51:50,040 --> 00:51:54,360
Speaker 4: monster us in its size. But there could be something

838
00:51:54,719 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 4: very dangerous, very frightening that isn't giant that could be

839
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,919
Speaker 4: discovered down below the depths. And we have some news

840
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 4: for you. This year, scientists made a discovery that future

841
00:52:08,680 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 4: historians will doubtlessly call classic twenty twenty. You know why.

842
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 4: They found one hundred million year old microbes beneath the

843
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,600
Speaker 4: seafloor in the South Pacific Geyer. This is a site

844
00:52:24,760 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 4: east of Australia where ocean currents intersect, and this is

845
00:52:29,800 --> 00:52:32,720
Speaker 4: considered to be one of the areas of the ocean

846
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,360
Speaker 4: that has the least amount of life, right, some of

847
00:52:35,400 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 4: the deadest parts of the ocean, where it's almost there's

848
00:52:38,840 --> 00:52:43,080
Speaker 4: almost no nutrients here that animals need to survive. The

849
00:52:43,200 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 4: scientists dug down very far, five seven hundred meters below

850
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:53,600
Speaker 4: sea level, and they found something that had been in

851
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 4: a Lovecraftian way, slumbering since before the age of men.

852
00:52:59,280 --> 00:53:03,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, these things looked as though they were dead. And

853
00:53:04,080 --> 00:53:07,040
Speaker 1: it's already a great find, you know, goscience. This is

854
00:53:07,040 --> 00:53:11,560
Speaker 1: already a groundbreaking discovery to find evidence of these things

855
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:14,560
Speaker 1: that were once alive. So they brought them back to

856
00:53:14,600 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: the lab. They brought the clay cores they had dug up,

857
00:53:17,080 --> 00:53:20,040
Speaker 1: as you had mentioned, Matt, back to their lab where

858
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:22,880
Speaker 1: they found these microbes, and they said, oh wow, this

859
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:25,839
Speaker 1: is amazing. There was once life in this part of

860
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: the South Pacific, guyer, I don't know. Let's feed them,

861
00:53:32,880 --> 00:53:35,360
Speaker 1: which sounds weird, right. It's a lot like finding a

862
00:53:35,400 --> 00:53:39,120
Speaker 1: dead body and saying, let's put a sandwich by it.

863
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: Let's just come on, let's put a sandwich by it.

864
00:53:42,080 --> 00:53:45,400
Speaker 1: It's just between us we're all buddies here. And what

865
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:50,960
Speaker 1: happened is that these microbes, these dead bodies, got up

866
00:53:50,960 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: and ate the sandwich. So what happened after that is

867
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:58,640
Speaker 1: they started reproducing, They started breeding. Something that had been

868
00:53:58,840 --> 00:54:06,040
Speaker 1: dormant were millions of years just came back to life.

869
00:54:06,160 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: One of the scientists, and I love when scientists talked

870
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:11,960
Speaker 1: this way. One of the scientists said that this indicates

871
00:54:12,040 --> 00:54:16,759
Speaker 1: the insane possibility. Whenever scientists used the word insane, you

872
00:54:16,840 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 1: know what they're you know, something rocked them. This scientist

873
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 1: said that these very same microbes must have been or

874
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: may have been, probably were sitting in the same place

875
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: for AONs, and that that is pure lovecrafty and stuff.

876
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:40,200
Speaker 1: Lovecraft was a terrible person, not a great writer, but

877
00:54:40,640 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: a fantastic world builder. And the idea of undersea creatures

878
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:50,439
Speaker 1: slumbering and being awoken by man, now we can say,

879
00:54:51,560 --> 00:54:55,960
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty, this happened. This happened. Lovecraft is in

880
00:54:56,000 --> 00:54:59,279
Speaker 1: a way real now. And that's just the beginning. If

881
00:54:59,280 --> 00:55:02,040
Speaker 1: we go back to the statistics when Matt Nolan and

882
00:55:02,080 --> 00:55:04,759
Speaker 1: I talked about it at the beginning of this episode,

883
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:08,800
Speaker 1: we see some possibilities This story is and over given

884
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,880
Speaker 1: what little we know about the ocean, again, very little,

885
00:55:12,120 --> 00:55:15,879
Speaker 1: it is scientifically indisputably true that we do not at

886
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,720
Speaker 1: this point know every single species of life currently living

887
00:55:19,880 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: in there or you know, sleeping for dreamless dark millennia.

888
00:55:24,000 --> 00:55:26,920
Speaker 1: And given the global reach of sonar and other detection

889
00:55:27,040 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 1: methods radar, et cetera, sure it's plausible to say we

890
00:55:30,440 --> 00:55:33,760
Speaker 1: have a solid chance of detecting an undiscovered life form

891
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:35,920
Speaker 1: if it ticks a few boxes.

892
00:55:36,320 --> 00:55:36,799
Speaker 4: That's right.

893
00:55:38,360 --> 00:55:42,640
Speaker 2: It really needs to have a relatively large population, It

894
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:47,359
Speaker 2: needs to be pretty frequently on the move and spend

895
00:55:47,400 --> 00:55:50,120
Speaker 2: at least some time in that smaller part of the

896
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 2: ocean that we talked about, that metropolis that we study

897
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:57,440
Speaker 2: pretty extensively. And it also is helpful if it prais

898
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 2: a lot on other easily detected species. But if it

899
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:07,080
Speaker 2: doesn't exhibit these traits, our odds of finding drop quite significantly.

900
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's true. It's gonna be hard for us to

901
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: just accidentally stumble upon something new, right if it doesn't

902
00:56:17,560 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: have that large population and all those things we just listed.

903
00:56:20,239 --> 00:56:22,360
Speaker 4: Does anybody else feel like it's a bad idea to

904
00:56:22,480 --> 00:56:29,520
Speaker 4: awaken aon's old microbes just in case? Maybe there's something

905
00:56:29,560 --> 00:56:34,879
Speaker 4: involved there that happened to help the extinction process with yes,

906
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:36,080
Speaker 4: you know life on Earth.

907
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:39,480
Speaker 2: Yes, yes I do, I do, I do think that thing, Matt.

908
00:56:40,320 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: Hull, the dice, I you know what I mean. We

909
00:56:47,120 --> 00:56:49,560
Speaker 1: are seeing this happen in other places. You know, it's

910
00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: not just underwater. Well I guess it kind.

911
00:56:52,480 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 4: Of is because under ice.

912
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, because ice. You know, it's just just fancier water.

913
00:56:59,080 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 1: So ice is fancy water. Great as our takeaway, please

914
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:06,760
Speaker 1: just remember that out of all this stuff we did today.

915
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:10,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, you know, you make an excellent point there, Nol,

916
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:15,880
Speaker 1: because this isn't just speculation on our part. We know

917
00:57:16,040 --> 00:57:21,320
Speaker 1: that the discovery of extremophiles took forever creatures that live

918
00:57:21,840 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: by these geothermal vents on the ocean floor. They are

919
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:30,080
Speaker 1: living off the energy exuded from those vents. So they're

920
00:57:30,120 --> 00:57:35,040
Speaker 1: not consuming a very well known other species. They're not

921
00:57:35,200 --> 00:57:37,160
Speaker 1: moving around a lot because they have to be by

922
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:40,640
Speaker 1: those vents to survive. So with those two pieces missing,

923
00:57:40,680 --> 00:57:42,920
Speaker 1: it would take us a while to find them. And

924
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 1: this leaves us with two notes. You know, one is disturbing,

925
00:57:47,880 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 1: one is distressing. Or when's a little more emo, a

926
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: little sad. Let's go with that one. First. It may

927
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 1: well be that we do discover some gigantic species, some

928
00:57:58,560 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 1: real life sea monsters, sea serpent, what have you. But

929
00:58:02,320 --> 00:58:06,360
Speaker 1: we discover it after it becomes functionally extinct. We find

930
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:10,080
Speaker 1: the last of a relic population. We find that they

931
00:58:10,080 --> 00:58:13,400
Speaker 1: are unable to breed. We find that the anthropist scene

932
00:58:13,400 --> 00:58:16,120
Speaker 1: has signed their death warrant, and we are just seeing

933
00:58:16,400 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 1: the dying echoes of what they once were ours.

934
00:58:20,920 --> 00:58:24,680
Speaker 4: Look at that poorant. Yep, there's only one.

935
00:58:25,280 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: Yep, look at it. The Last Kraken the new film

936
00:58:29,200 --> 00:58:33,800
Speaker 1: by Wes Anderson. The Crack was played by Edward Norton.

937
00:58:33,880 --> 00:58:37,760
Speaker 2: And as it turns out, the Kraken a perfectly symmetrical creature,

938
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:42,280
Speaker 2: so that really works out for his MEAs on Sam, I.

939
00:58:42,200 --> 00:58:43,960
Speaker 4: Was really hoping you were going to say Bill Murray,

940
00:58:43,960 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 4: but we can give with it.

941
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,280
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, wait wait, change it. Kracking is Bill Murray.

942
00:58:48,680 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 1: Uh you heard it?

943
00:58:49,600 --> 00:58:52,280
Speaker 2: Oh my god. This this can be a crossover between

944
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 2: the stuff they do. I want you to know Cinematic

945
00:58:54,160 --> 00:58:57,120
Speaker 2: Universe and the Ridiculous History Cinematic Universe, where we have

946
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 2: a movie coming out in the December of this year

947
00:58:59,560 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: for Christ called Hans about a horse that could solve

948
00:59:02,360 --> 00:59:05,400
Speaker 2: math problems, played by who do we say, Daniel da

949
00:59:05,480 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 2: Lewis two people? Yes, that's right, Finn wolf Hard as

950
00:59:10,600 --> 00:59:13,959
Speaker 2: the young clever Hans, and then he grows up into

951
00:59:14,040 --> 00:59:17,600
Speaker 2: a Daniel d Lewis sized clever Hans. But yeah, I

952
00:59:17,640 --> 00:59:20,640
Speaker 2: love this idea. So this.

953
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 1: It's not as Wes Anderson cute. If this happens in

954
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:28,840
Speaker 1: real life, our species will encounter a macro level of

955
00:59:29,200 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: a type of sadness known as sounder. If you guys

956
00:59:34,520 --> 00:59:37,240
Speaker 1: have ever heard this, it's a it's a manufacturer word.

957
00:59:37,320 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: All words are manufactured, so you know tintinnabulation. I don't

958
00:59:41,440 --> 00:59:43,520
Speaker 1: care make up your own words. It's a living language.

959
00:59:43,520 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: But soundra is a really neat word that means the

960
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 1: realization that each random passer by is living a life

961
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:53,520
Speaker 1: is vivid and complex as your own, populated with their

962
00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 1: own ambitions, friends, routines, worries, and so on, story that

963
00:59:57,840 --> 01:00:01,640
Speaker 1: continues invisibly around you, like an an hill sprawling deep underground,

964
01:00:02,080 --> 01:00:04,800
Speaker 1: and they live a life that you'll never know existed.

965
01:00:05,120 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 1: You might only appear once as someone passing by, or

966
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:12,240
Speaker 1: a lighted window in the dark. So not to be

967
01:00:12,400 --> 01:00:16,000
Speaker 1: too waxing poetic, But how terrible is it that we

968
01:00:16,120 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: might find something right after we've killed it. The second

969
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: thing we have to remember, and this is the real

970
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:27,400
Speaker 1: This is the real conspiratorial stuff here. It's a bit

971
01:00:27,440 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: of a thought experiment. A lot of the knowledge that

972
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:34,600
Speaker 1: we have about the world's oceans comes from private corporations.

973
01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:36,080
Speaker 5: It comes from.

974
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:41,200
Speaker 1: Blue ocean navies, both of which are incentivized heavily to

975
01:00:41,360 --> 01:00:45,760
Speaker 1: keep secrets. So it is possible, not plausible, but possible

976
01:00:46,000 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: that something might have been found already. In the cost

977
01:00:48,200 --> 01:00:50,680
Speaker 1: of revealing it to the world, we're outweighed by the

978
01:00:50,720 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: profit motive of keeping something else a margin right, or

979
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,960
Speaker 1: a promising dig or maybe you know, you're a military

980
01:01:01,240 --> 01:01:07,120
Speaker 1: you've detected something, detected some big animal on its last legs.

981
01:01:07,800 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 1: But if you tell people you discovered it, then they'll

982
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:13,480
Speaker 1: know you have some sort of classified detection technology. And

983
01:01:13,520 --> 01:01:17,960
Speaker 1: then boom, billions of dollars down the Marianna's trench.

984
01:01:18,000 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 4: There.

985
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 1: I don't think, I probably that's not happening. That's just

986
01:01:23,160 --> 01:01:26,920
Speaker 1: that's it's like a comic book level, exciting world.

987
01:01:27,480 --> 01:01:28,960
Speaker 4: I don't think you're off base of there at all.

988
01:01:29,040 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 4: Then I feel all of that specifically the classified detection

989
01:01:33,720 --> 01:01:42,360
Speaker 4: tech because I want to believe that there are more

990
01:01:42,360 --> 01:01:45,520
Speaker 4: efficient forms of the kinds of detection technologies that we

991
01:01:45,600 --> 01:01:48,760
Speaker 4: have now that just that can't be shared. You're right

992
01:01:48,760 --> 01:01:50,520
Speaker 4: for proprietary reasons.

993
01:01:50,760 --> 01:01:55,320
Speaker 1: And now again, like you say, man Matt, I really

994
01:01:55,320 --> 01:01:58,880
Speaker 1: appreciate that support there or there, I say enabling. You

995
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,080
Speaker 1: might be enabling a little bit in listeners.

996
01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:06,240
Speaker 4: But and that doesn't mean extraterrestrial technology. It just means

997
01:02:06,440 --> 01:02:07,840
Speaker 4: advanced technology.

998
01:02:08,960 --> 01:02:14,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, agreed. And while this idea of sea monsters, have

999
01:02:14,160 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: to put it in a sentence, this idea that sea

1000
01:02:16,760 --> 01:02:20,640
Speaker 1: monsters exist, they are being hidden by you know, an

1001
01:02:20,720 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: oil conglomerate or a navy, a bluewater navy of some sort.

1002
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:29,080
Speaker 1: While that definitely sounds like sci fi comic book stuff

1003
01:02:29,360 --> 01:02:34,880
Speaker 1: or fodder for an excellent screenplay, a sci fi channel screenplay,

1004
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:40,040
Speaker 1: the truth is stranger things have happened out there beneath

1005
01:02:40,240 --> 01:02:42,560
Speaker 1: the waves. So what do you think listeners? Now we

1006
01:02:42,720 --> 01:02:47,520
Speaker 1: hand you know, like the meme. You're the captain, now,

1007
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,439
Speaker 1: so what do you think could be out there?

1008
01:02:51,000 --> 01:02:57,360
Speaker 4: You have the trawler, you're in control. Yeah, honestly, what

1009
01:02:57,720 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 4: do you think is out there? Is there anything that

1010
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 4: you have seen when you've been out on the ocean,

1011
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:07,240
Speaker 4: or maybe in the ocean on a dive. Maybe you've

1012
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,000
Speaker 4: been in a submersible before. We would love to hear

1013
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,200
Speaker 4: about your experience. Or maybe you've worked on a rig wooh,

1014
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,800
Speaker 4: that would be cool. Tell us about that. Anything you

1015
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 4: want to mention that we've discussed on this episode, or

1016
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:22,360
Speaker 4: if you want to give us a suggestion for another episode,

1017
01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,439
Speaker 4: you can find us. We're all over social media. On

1018
01:03:25,560 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 4: Instagram we are conspiracy stuff show on Facebook and Twitter,

1019
01:03:29,640 --> 01:03:31,160
Speaker 4: we're conspiracy stuff.

1020
01:03:31,880 --> 01:03:35,240
Speaker 2: Yes, all of these things are true. And in addition,

1021
01:03:35,280 --> 01:03:37,160
Speaker 2: if you want to get in on the fun with

1022
01:03:37,200 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 2: your fellow conspiracy realist, why not head over to Facebook

1023
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1024
01:03:43,600 --> 01:03:46,040
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1025
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,680
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1026
01:03:48,760 --> 01:03:52,120
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1027
01:03:52,160 --> 01:03:55,440
Speaker 2: We're pretty easy and you're in a great place to

1028
01:03:55,520 --> 01:03:58,400
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1029
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:00,920
Speaker 2: group of folks on there. Here's where it gets crazy

1030
01:04:00,960 --> 01:04:03,080
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1031
01:04:03,120 --> 01:04:05,200
Speaker 2: on the internet, why not go over to Apple Podcasts

1032
01:04:05,240 --> 01:04:07,720
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1033
01:04:07,800 --> 01:04:11,600
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1034
01:04:11,680 --> 01:04:13,960
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1035
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,560
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1036
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 2: let us know how you dig it and do it

1037
01:04:19,160 --> 01:04:21,560
Speaker 2: in a public forum so others will follow in your path.

1038
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 1: And if you are one of the people out there

1039
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:27,439
Speaker 1: who says I listened to your Facebook episode, I don't

1040
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:29,920
Speaker 1: know why I would be on that. Social media in

1041
01:04:30,040 --> 01:04:33,240
Speaker 1: general is a bag of badgers. That's for the birds.

1042
01:04:33,280 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: But I do have a phone, and I have a

1043
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:37,880
Speaker 1: story to tell you. Well, you are in luck, fellow

1044
01:04:37,960 --> 01:04:40,920
Speaker 1: conspiracy realists. You can call us any old time of

1045
01:04:41,000 --> 01:04:46,480
Speaker 1: day or night at one eight three three std WYTK.

1046
01:04:47,400 --> 01:04:51,919
Speaker 1: You'll have a three ish minutes ballpark. We would love

1047
01:04:51,960 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: to hear from you. Let us know whether or not

1048
01:04:54,080 --> 01:04:58,040
Speaker 1: we can use your story on air. And then also,

1049
01:04:58,240 --> 01:05:00,480
Speaker 1: you know, if you feel the pressure of that ticking

1050
01:05:01,000 --> 01:05:03,880
Speaker 1: clock for that three minute time window, why not just

1051
01:05:03,920 --> 01:05:06,600
Speaker 1: write down a couple things talking points and you refer

1052
01:05:06,680 --> 01:05:09,240
Speaker 1: to those that made it easier for me when I

1053
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:14,520
Speaker 1: called into our own show for some reason. But hey,

1054
01:05:13,840 --> 01:05:18,000
Speaker 1: Matt Nol. A lot of times people don't like social

1055
01:05:18,040 --> 01:05:22,400
Speaker 1: media or telephones, which we totally get. If you are

1056
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Speaker 1: one of those folks, you are still in luck. You

1057
01:05:25,120 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: are trebly tr e b l Y in luck because

1058
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:33,400
Speaker 1: you can send us a good old fashioned email anytime

1059
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Speaker 1: the spirit moves you.

1060
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