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Speaker 1: Welcome back to another week of happy Hour with none

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Speaker 1: other than Me and Rachel, who are sipping on our

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Speaker 1: black cherry course Seltzer's, which this is my first time

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Speaker 1: trying the black cherry Rachel and I have to say,

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Speaker 1: I'm a fan. This ship is good. Yeah, girl, What

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Speaker 1: do I always say? The black of the berry, the

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Speaker 1: sweet of the juice. That's what they say. That could

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Speaker 1: be your tagline for Real Housewives? Oh my gosh, the

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Speaker 1: black of the berry, the sweet of the juice. I'm

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Speaker 1: you know what I keep Joe. Honestly, I keep playing

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Speaker 1: around with this Housewives saying I'm really about to be

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Speaker 1: on somebody's Housewives franchise. Well, I think you did it

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Speaker 1: with Astrod on her Instagram comments, and you guys were

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Speaker 1: coming up with different tagline captions. I'm like, I need one.

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Speaker 1: We'll come up with yours. For sure. We're gonna. I

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Speaker 1: think we should play with your Minnesota accent. But if

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Speaker 1: you could pick any franchise to be a part of,

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Speaker 1: which one would you want? Oh? Man, that's a good one. Okay.

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Speaker 1: I don't think I could actually fit in, but I would.

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Speaker 1: I just like there's something about New Jersey that gets

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Speaker 1: me back to the beginning with the table flip and

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Speaker 1: the nineteen engaged nineteen times. Yeah, I don't know, just

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Speaker 1: that one holds such a soft spot in my heart.

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Speaker 1: But of course, like I started watching at the beginning

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Speaker 1: with with oc with with Vicky and her woo hoo's

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Speaker 1: and like have a soup, But what about you? I

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Speaker 1: first of all, I like that she said, Jersey. See,

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Speaker 1: every franchise needs a voice of reason, and I feel

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Speaker 1: like you would be the voice of reason. But then

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Speaker 1: I feel like equet to the point where they would

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Speaker 1: push your buttons and then you would just lose it

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Speaker 1: and you wouldn't have a Teresa Judas moment you would

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Speaker 1: the table is she Teresa Gorga? She go back to

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Speaker 1: her maiden name. I don't know. That's she's got to

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Speaker 1: stick with Judas. That's how we first met her, and

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Speaker 1: that's that's how we're always going to remember her. For me,

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Speaker 1: this is really tough and obviously I've thought about this

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Speaker 1: a number. Obvious I know you have Rachel. I'm going

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Speaker 1: to have to say New York or Potomac. See, I

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Speaker 1: haven't started Potomac yet. I'm jealous. I'm actually jealous. I

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Speaker 1: am I don't know if you've ever spent time on

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Speaker 1: Coronado down for those of you listening who don't know,

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Speaker 1: it takes like fabulous island off of San Diego, and

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Speaker 1: because my cousins lived down there, and I'm surprised that

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Speaker 1: there's not yet a Real Housewives of Coronado because like

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Speaker 1: the amount of wealth and just like I don't like

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Speaker 1: drama that goes down with the Navy Wives. It's unhar

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Speaker 1: like every time I go down there, I'm like, this,

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Speaker 1: this could be a TV show. So if anyone's listening,

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Speaker 1: you want to pitch it, Somebody call Andy Cohen, tag him,

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Speaker 1: Somebody call him right now. Oh my gosh, because I

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Speaker 1: don't know if you started to watch Real Health and Guys,

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Speaker 1: I know this is a Bachelor podcast, but let's be honest.

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Speaker 1: We know there's Bravo Bachelor cross over here. Okay, we

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Speaker 1: know there is. It's it's it's a different it's a

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Speaker 1: different flavor, but it's but there's there's some criss cross there.

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Speaker 1: Well we've never seen is somebody from Bachelor go on Housewives.

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Speaker 1: I'm just sam, if you're not watching Salt Lake City,

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Speaker 1: you were truly doing yourself a disservice. It is amazing.

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Speaker 1: Normally it takes time to build up into being a

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Speaker 1: quintessential housewives, having all the characteristics that are necessary to

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Speaker 1: be pure entertainment. These women came in like guns ablazing.

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Speaker 1: Yeah already. It's like they've they've been studying for years

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Speaker 1: and this is their moment and they were ready and

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Speaker 1: so were we. Wait, Rachel, if you could pick somebody

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Speaker 1: from the Bachelor franchise to be on a Real Housewives,

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Speaker 1: who would it be? And why am I only working

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Speaker 1: with leads here? No, it could be anyone, but I

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Speaker 1: also give me the lead to That is a okay,

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Speaker 1: that is something I never thought about. All right. If

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Speaker 1: I was going to pick a real housewife, I think

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Speaker 1: I would go with Emily Maynor m for as the leads.

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Speaker 1: She's she's classy, she's a Southern bell. She's got five

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Speaker 1: kids now at this point, um, so there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: a lot to play around with that. And she's got

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Speaker 1: the Bachelor crossover. And Emily will read you Okay, she's sweet,

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Speaker 1: but she will also put you in your place in

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Speaker 1: two seconds and tell you about yourself. Emily would be

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Speaker 1: some good TV. She would. Yes, I can't pick any

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Speaker 1: of any of the other people. You know what, though,

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Speaker 1: I feel like Jillian Harris could actually be great too.

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Speaker 1: Just such a firecracker. She's such a badass. She like

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Speaker 1: I feel like we could talk about Real housewives all day,

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Speaker 1: but of course I have another show we have to

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Speaker 1: get into, and that's what we're all about here in

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Speaker 1: Bachelor A happy hour, so we saw a lot go down.

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Speaker 1: I felt like it was one of the more intense episodes,

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Speaker 1: just like with Men opening up this week. So overall,

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Speaker 1: what were your thoughts on this week? Okay? Is it

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Speaker 1: just me? I felt I didn't get the same energy

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Speaker 1: other episodes. I don't know if she was tired or what.

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Speaker 1: She just didn't seem all the way there. I think

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Speaker 1: part of Tatia's charm is that she's very bubbly and

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Speaker 1: She was real chill to me. I don't know if

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Speaker 1: And I don't want people to take this as us

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Speaker 1: bashing her, because we're not whatsoever. But I think it was.

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Speaker 1: And I kind of started to notice it last week too,

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Speaker 1: conversation with Ivan, But it played into I think her conversations,

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Speaker 1: especially in her one on one with Sach this week too,

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Speaker 1: Like we see her very in her head, you know,

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Speaker 1: bubbly and as exuberant. But I noticed in many of

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Speaker 1: the conversations between her and the men, it was them

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Speaker 1: maybe it's just like, maybe it's just because I'm such

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Speaker 1: to anybody, and I'm so curious about people's pasts. But

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Speaker 1: I felt like we were missing that from her, especially

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Speaker 1: in the conversation with Za first one. I wanted the

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Speaker 1: girl me too, Okay, I was like, is anybody else

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Speaker 1: gathering this? And what was what was the big question

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Speaker 1: that she didn't ask that you were like, um about

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Speaker 1: the marriage, thank you? Yeah? Did I want to know

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Speaker 1: the moment you tell me that you were married before,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to know everything. Why? Why? I mean?

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Speaker 1: And he eventually got there and maybe they wanted to

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Speaker 1: say that for the ninth time. But immediately when I

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Speaker 1: want to know why you were divorced, what happened? Why

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Speaker 1: did it fall apart a year? And yeah, hey, you know,

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Speaker 1: like for somebody who's been in that position, dealing with

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Speaker 1: of time, you've got to ask certain questions about that,

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Speaker 1: about the past and the past relationships. But I felt

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Speaker 1: like just getting I just I guess, let's just get

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Speaker 1: into this date with Zach because we see a completely

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Speaker 1: different side to him. He opens up so much and

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Speaker 1: he really really grew on me. I really liked Zac

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Speaker 1: after this one on one date. He's probably one of

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Speaker 1: the contestants that has the most depth maturity, life experience

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Speaker 1: that he's lived through and this and maybe it's just

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Speaker 1: because I have a soft spot in my heart for

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Speaker 1: you know, people who have gone through like a brain tumor,

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Speaker 1: because I've had several people in my life that have it.

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Speaker 1: But I just if I was sitting there with him,

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Speaker 1: I would have had so many questions, and I felt

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Speaker 1: like she just kind of sat back and was just like, oh, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's hard, that's heavy, that's a lot, which is I'm

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Speaker 1: sure very reassuring to him. But I was like, I

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Speaker 1: want more. You want to loan Becca? I wanted more

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Speaker 1: as well. That to me is one of those people

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Speaker 1: who checks all the boxes and looks great on paper,

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Speaker 1: but he doesn't have that O, that X factor, that

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Speaker 1: whatever it is that makes that Vagiana dance, you know

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Speaker 1: what I mean, Like, whatever it is that just makes

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Speaker 1: that thing, dann a little souls, a little single down

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Speaker 1: Scott rhythm, spicy. You know That's That's how That's how

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Speaker 1: I take it. Like usually when people are like I

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Speaker 1: have butterflies, is this is this means the same thing?

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Speaker 1: Um I That's what I'm gathering. He he's such a

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Speaker 1: good guy. He's a really good guy. So I'm not

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Speaker 1: saying this to take anything away from him, but there

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Speaker 1: just seems to be no spark. And I was listening

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Speaker 1: to Tasia when I was watching this, this interaction between

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Speaker 1: Tasia and Zach. She was saying all the right things.

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Speaker 1: Oh he gives me butterflies. Oh he's a great person.

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Speaker 1: Oh he opened up. Oh there's something about Zach he

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Speaker 1: surprised me. But there was no feeling. There was no

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Speaker 1: date with Brendan, you know what I mean. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: there is something missing. I'm not seeing the connection. The

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Speaker 1: passion isn't there as much as the guy. Gotta have passion,

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Speaker 1: you gotta have flavor, you gotta it's the X factor,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like we've all dated that

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Speaker 1: who is like, you know, a Barack Obama, you know,

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Speaker 1: like just whoever. You know, it's like the quintessential guy

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Speaker 1: That's how I feel about Zach, and that's why I

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Speaker 1: keep a home. Like two things to go off of

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Speaker 1: what you're saying is one, I don't think Zach like

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Speaker 1: went on the show for the show. I think not

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Speaker 1: Like he if anyone is there for quote unquote the

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Speaker 1: right reasons, it's going to be Zach. But yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: to you know, and I've said this many many times,

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Speaker 1: it's there's so much that you can't see in a

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Speaker 1: TV show. There's probably a lot more of the conversation

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Speaker 1: So I hope and pray that for both of their sakes,

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Speaker 1: Like there is that passion that we're that we're missing.

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Speaker 1: Maybe it's just because they really wanted to play up

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Speaker 1: his story and his life experience. Um, but yeah, it's

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Speaker 1: feel like if Zach makes it far, she's bringing him

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Speaker 1: I mean, Rachel, I know you love Bennett like. He's

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Speaker 1: love the fact you were deficient in three of them.

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00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:21,920
Speaker 1: Bennett Bennett. No, I'm and if anything, I love Bennett

424
00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,479
Speaker 1: even more. Um, I'm I. I'm scared. I'm scared. I'm

425
00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 1: not gonna lie back seeing the previous for next week,

426
00:23:30,119 --> 00:23:33,399
Speaker 1: I don't know how I'm going to handle an episode

427
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: without Bennett. It's not looking good for my boy. But

428
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:42,760
Speaker 1: um to be continued, I gotta jump into play Devil's

429
00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:45,360
Speaker 1: advocate because you know, I also love me some Bennett.

430
00:23:45,520 --> 00:23:48,880
Speaker 1: But he did start to really rub me the wrong way.

431
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:50,760
Speaker 1: I felt like I was back in middle school, like

432
00:23:50,800 --> 00:23:54,320
Speaker 1: watching girls fighting bicker, and I just it made me

433
00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: feel bad a little bit. When I could tell that

434
00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:59,600
Speaker 1: Noah's trying to hold back. But you know, also, Bennett

435
00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 1: is it's no one holding back or it can Noah

436
00:24:02,400 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: just not keep up. You can't bring a knife to

437
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 1: a gunfight. Okay, Noah can't keep up. That's how I'm

438
00:24:07,680 --> 00:24:10,399
Speaker 1: reading it. It's not that Noah's holding back. He doesn't

439
00:24:10,400 --> 00:24:13,080
Speaker 1: know what else to say. Oh can you spell privilege

440
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,520
Speaker 1: or whatever he said earlier? Like he can't, he can't compete.

441
00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:18,760
Speaker 1: So I don't even I can't even. Let's not forget

442
00:24:18,800 --> 00:24:21,359
Speaker 1: that Noah was a manipulator a couple of weeks ago.

443
00:24:21,560 --> 00:24:24,480
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. Noah was manipulating the hell

444
00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:26,919
Speaker 1: out of these men. So Noah's not an angel. I

445
00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: don't think Noah's playing the good guy. Noah just can't

446
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:34,680
Speaker 1: keep up with my boy. He just can't. Okay, I'm

447
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,879
Speaker 1: gonna let that go because I might not be here

448
00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:38,600
Speaker 1: next week if I if I have to talk about

449
00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: Bennett going there will be a guest on the podcast.

450
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:47,119
Speaker 1: He won't be me. I'm boycotting. I'm I'm like, seriously,

451
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:49,359
Speaker 1: I'm going on a hunger strike. I don't like it.

452
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: I don't like it. What if Bennett, I don't know

453
00:24:53,119 --> 00:24:56,800
Speaker 1: what happens but what if Bennett became Bachelor? I can't.

454
00:24:56,600 --> 00:24:59,679
Speaker 1: I will be on the season. That's that I know

455
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,719
Speaker 1: for sure. I've never pushed to be on a season harder,

456
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:06,119
Speaker 1: but I will if it comes to Bennett. Are you

457
00:25:06,200 --> 00:25:11,639
Speaker 1: kidding me? All right? Months, I can't wait. No, not

458
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: like that. I mean as to give advice, to give advice,

459
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: to give advice, Oh my god, No, not like that.

460
00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: Not like that. I like to put her producers shirt

461
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,720
Speaker 1: hat and shirt on and walk in and I'll give

462
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 1: me a fanny pack and an earpiece. Let me, let me,

463
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:31,880
Speaker 1: let me loose. Um. Okay, you guys to be continued

464
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: when it comes to Bennett. Um, I might be taken

465
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:36,159
Speaker 1: next week off, So I'll see you guys in a

466
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,920
Speaker 1: couple of weeks if if things go south, Okay, it's

467
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:42,560
Speaker 1: giving you a fair warning. But onto our guest, because

468
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:45,119
Speaker 1: you know, we love to always give you guys a guest.

469
00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:48,880
Speaker 1: We love to go inside of the Bachelorette bubble and

470
00:25:49,000 --> 00:25:51,200
Speaker 1: talk to the people who are a part of the season,

471
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:53,919
Speaker 1: who made this season happen, and today is no different.

472
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:57,800
Speaker 1: We're so excited to bring on Ben and and particularly

473
00:25:57,840 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: because I feel like there's a lot to ask with Ben.

474
00:25:59,760 --> 00:26:01,959
Speaker 1: I feel like we don't know a lot about him,

475
00:26:02,040 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: and let's see if we can get him to open up.

476
00:26:04,240 --> 00:26:06,760
Speaker 1: Let's poke the bear, let's you know what, you know,

477
00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: what if Bennett starts, if Bennett is a little quiet

478
00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:11,600
Speaker 1: in it. But look at me, look at me, look

479
00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: at me. I'm not over virtual. I'm not a Bennett.

480
00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm not Oh my god, I'm not. Okay. First we

481
00:26:17,400 --> 00:26:19,960
Speaker 1: only hear about dal and now we're only hearing about Bennett.

482
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 1: I'm not okay, excuse me. You have what's the what's

483
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,040
Speaker 1: the over under of how many times I call Ben Bennett? Like,

484
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 1: look seriously, but if Ben has trouble opening up, we'll say, Ben,

485
00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: you know what to do, Strip down, take that, shut off. Ben,

486
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:41,960
Speaker 1: you know how you do it? Okay, And with that,

487
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,119
Speaker 1: let's just get to Ben. Let's welcome home to the

488
00:26:45,160 --> 00:26:47,879
Speaker 1: show chairs. What are you drinking? Welcome to a happy

489
00:26:47,920 --> 00:26:52,520
Speaker 1: hour podcast? You've ever done? No, it's not you're you're

490
00:26:52,520 --> 00:26:56,200
Speaker 1: not a newbie. I'm not. No, okay, let's this is

491
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: I'm most excited for this one though. The facts you

492
00:27:00,040 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: he's a suck up. The fact Ben that you the

493
00:27:05,800 --> 00:27:07,640
Speaker 1: fact that you don't pay attention to the group chat

494
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: lets me know you made it far into the season. Okay,

495
00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:18,679
Speaker 1: you're it's above it's below you, it's beneath you. The

496
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:23,280
Speaker 1: group chat virtual. I wasn't in the group chat because

497
00:27:23,320 --> 00:27:26,159
Speaker 1: I want they just still didn't put you in. No

498
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:31,880
Speaker 1: really yeah, because and I didn't want to be like

499
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,200
Speaker 1: I think somebody had actually say if I wanted to

500
00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: be added, and I was like, mmm, I'm already chat

501
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: right now. It's like too much. I still talk to

502
00:27:40,080 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: the girls that I wanted to talk to, but like

503
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,280
Speaker 1: to have twenty eight of us, I'm like, it's can't

504
00:27:44,280 --> 00:27:46,720
Speaker 1: deal with that. Wait, Ben, Ben, who are you close

505
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: with from your season now still today? Well, I don't

506
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: really talk to many of the people, just I'm super

507
00:27:54,520 --> 00:27:56,280
Speaker 1: busy with my job. I work all the time. But

508
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,359
Speaker 1: Brendan was probably the clock guy I was closest with

509
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 1: in the house. Oh how did you room with? Was

510
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:05,720
Speaker 1: it Brendan? I roomed with Chasin yikes during the during

511
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: the show. Um, but I was closest with Brendan. We

512
00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 1: were pretty similar, both more laid back, I think, more reserved,

513
00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:19,720
Speaker 1: kind of thoughtful, and we just connected right off the bat.

514
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,639
Speaker 1: He's he's a really incredible guy. I mean, we can

515
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 1: see it from two so actually we haven't seen it

516
00:28:25,600 --> 00:28:28,440
Speaker 1: because we haven't seen much of Brendon on this show.

517
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:32,600
Speaker 1: What you see, what you see from him, and I

518
00:28:32,640 --> 00:28:34,320
Speaker 1: hope like much the same for me. We just seem

519
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,159
Speaker 1: to be caught saying like thoughtful things or like the

520
00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 1: right thing or responsible things. That's very much how he

521
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,640
Speaker 1: is as a person. I think you know myself too,

522
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 1: So it was really nice to get to meet him

523
00:28:43,320 --> 00:28:44,840
Speaker 1: and not just Brendan, but there were tons of really

524
00:28:44,880 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: great guys in the house. I think it's like a

525
00:28:46,720 --> 00:28:48,880
Speaker 1: common themes, like we could say all the time, it's

526
00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 1: just really incredible dudes. This is why I love this

527
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:54,680
Speaker 1: season and Rachel and I have raved about you guys,

528
00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:56,960
Speaker 1: because we truly think it's one of the best crop

529
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: of men of contestants that we've seen. Like you guys

530
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 1: are a little bit older and more established, have more depth,

531
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:06,520
Speaker 1: and and you can just I think, open up and

532
00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:09,040
Speaker 1: you just have like more maturity than what we've seen.

533
00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 1: And I love the fact that you guys of course

534
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:13,520
Speaker 1: here and there. You know, we've had some guys on

535
00:29:13,560 --> 00:29:16,240
Speaker 1: the podcast that have talked about some of the guys

536
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: that they're not fond of, but overall it feels like

537
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: you guys all have a really special bond and get

538
00:29:20,640 --> 00:29:23,520
Speaker 1: a lot along a lot better than what we've seen

539
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,440
Speaker 1: in the past, which is great. I think that's awesome. Yeah,

540
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,000
Speaker 1: I think there was a pretty cool experience, you know,

541
00:29:29,280 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: transitioning from Claire season Intutatious season. You know, we had

542
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: that like i'll call it a shared struggle or whatever,

543
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,040
Speaker 1: but we had the bonds from that first experience and

544
00:29:38,080 --> 00:29:40,040
Speaker 1: then moving into the second one was kind of like,

545
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: oh wow, we're like here for each other as well

546
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,720
Speaker 1: as also like to pursue our relationship. It was pretty cool. Yeah,

547
00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: it's like a support system. Yeah, Ben, you set you

548
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: work all the time? What do you do? I work

549
00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:55,239
Speaker 1: as a strength and conditioning coach in southern California here,

550
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:58,440
Speaker 1: so I there's a family of gems locally. And then

551
00:29:58,440 --> 00:30:01,880
Speaker 1: I also started my own business Slash Year, So it's

552
00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:06,600
Speaker 1: been kind of a bit of a transition just into

553
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:09,200
Speaker 1: quarantine and like working from home and trying to build

554
00:30:09,200 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 1: something digitally. It's a lot easier when you do fitness

555
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: in person because you just there's only a certain number

556
00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:15,480
Speaker 1: of hours in a day and you train people when

557
00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 1: they're available, but when you do it online, it's like

558
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,040
Speaker 1: you work all the time. So then we knew you

559
00:30:20,080 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: were into fitness. We saw those glues just like glues

560
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:29,280
Speaker 1: a lot, to say the least. But before we get

561
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:31,360
Speaker 1: into that, how did like, just overall, how did you

562
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: get on the show? So I was reached out to

563
00:30:35,200 --> 00:30:39,440
Speaker 1: by a casting agent. I'm not exactly sure who they're

564
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: from or how it exactly it works, but I was

565
00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 1: reached out and they said, hey, Ben, we really like you,

566
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: know you as a person. I guess they fell in

567
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 1: love with me via social media, but they said, how

568
00:30:51,320 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: do you cat that? Uh no what they said. They said, hey,

569
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: we'd really like you to you try out for the show,

570
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,760
Speaker 1: And so I initially I was like, you know what,

571
00:30:57,840 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: that seems like I wouldn't do. I hadn't dated for

572
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:04,760
Speaker 1: a long time. I've been out of a relationship for

573
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:06,360
Speaker 1: a couple of years, and I really hadn't pursued any

574
00:31:06,360 --> 00:31:08,920
Speaker 1: sort of dating thing. My transition. I was in the

575
00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,160
Speaker 1: Army before. My transition out of the military was challenging

576
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: for me, and so throwing myself into work was something

577
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: that I was very comfortable doing. And so all the

578
00:31:16,320 --> 00:31:18,640
Speaker 1: fulfillment that I got from like a romantic relationship. I

579
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,240
Speaker 1: weirdly enough got it from my professional life, and so

580
00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 1: I wasn't interested in that, wasn't interested in dating, wasn't

581
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,360
Speaker 1: interested in pursuing any of that. And then a couple

582
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: of my friends, I was like telling them about it,

583
00:31:28,680 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 1: and they're like, dude, like, don't be an idiot. Try that, Like,

584
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,240
Speaker 1: there's no other time to get an experience like this,

585
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,120
Speaker 1: and so remove yourself from your life, from the stresses

586
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,520
Speaker 1: of your daily life, and put yourself in like a

587
00:31:39,600 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 1: experiment for lack of a better term. And so I

588
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:45,239
Speaker 1: got to really take advantage of that, and you know,

589
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840
Speaker 1: I don't half ask anything, and so I showed up

590
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:52,040
Speaker 1: fully as myself and it was the most incredible experience,

591
00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:54,160
Speaker 1: but also challenging experience that I think I've had a

592
00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:59,400
Speaker 1: long time since coming from the show. How has business been,

593
00:31:59,520 --> 00:32:02,280
Speaker 1: Has it been booming? And how many new girls are

594
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:07,120
Speaker 1: sliding into those dams trying to be your clients? I mean,

595
00:32:07,200 --> 00:32:10,440
Speaker 1: I think naturally, you're there's more eyes on you, so

596
00:32:10,760 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: you'd think business would be booming, but you know, times

597
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: are challenging for people, and people aren't interested in spending money.

598
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 1: So I think everybody's business may or may not be suffering,

599
00:32:19,800 --> 00:32:24,360
Speaker 1: but I'm definitely getting more attention, which is nice. But

600
00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: you know, I'm more than just the dude that was

601
00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: on TV. I'm a professional and I care deeply about

602
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:34,360
Speaker 1: the work that I do, and so, you know, I

603
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 1: would like people to pursue the services that I offer,

604
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 1: not because of the celebrity or whatever you call it

605
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:41,880
Speaker 1: that I've gained from being on the TV program, but

606
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 1: because I'm exceptional at the job that I do. Yeah,

607
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: you know, it's interesting. I can relate to you when

608
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:50,960
Speaker 1: you say that, You know you can. You can be

609
00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: so involved in your work that that kind of takes

610
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,600
Speaker 1: the place of having a significant other, and then you

611
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: wake up one day and you're like wait a minute,

612
00:32:59,000 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: or you mask the fact that you really do want

613
00:33:01,960 --> 00:33:04,680
Speaker 1: that other piece to it, but you just bury yourself

614
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:08,160
Speaker 1: in your work because it's almost easier than opening up

615
00:33:08,200 --> 00:33:10,959
Speaker 1: and being vulnerable, especially when you've been hurt before. So

616
00:33:11,040 --> 00:33:14,440
Speaker 1: I understand that. And then I was like, I don't

617
00:33:14,440 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 1: go on The Bachelor, so I get it, Like I

618
00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: get exactly where you were in your life. So when

619
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 1: you come onto The Bachelor, had you watched the show

620
00:33:23,200 --> 00:33:26,960
Speaker 1: before not regularly or religiously. I'd never I'd seen a

621
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 1: couple episodes here there. I knew the premise of the show.

622
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: I knew it was gonna be several guys and one girl.

623
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 1: I knew very little about Claire. I knew that there

624
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,960
Speaker 1: was a larger age difference, but I had heard that

625
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 1: she was incredibly mature, that she espoused some of the

626
00:33:42,640 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 1: values that I was, that I held very dear to

627
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,320
Speaker 1: my heart, like you know, empathy, you know, being just

628
00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,280
Speaker 1: incredibly self respecting and staying treat to herself. And you

629
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: can see that in the process she did that the

630
00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: whole way through. And I was just really interested in

631
00:33:56,920 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: finally meeting somebody that, you know, could one like be

632
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: an incredible relationship for me, could restore my faith in

633
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: the fact that there are incredible women out there, but

634
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:07,880
Speaker 1: then also like maybe teach me something but I didn't

635
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 1: know about myself. And I think for me, the experience

636
00:34:10,960 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: gave me all three things. And like the relationships weren't

637
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:16,880
Speaker 1: just with the women but also with the guys. It

638
00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,520
Speaker 1: was it was a very important experience for me. I

639
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:24,440
Speaker 1: think what I have found enticing about watching you is

640
00:34:24,960 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 1: and I'm not gonna Lie and I have said this

641
00:34:26,560 --> 00:34:28,640
Speaker 1: on the podcast. I think a couple of weeks ago,

642
00:34:28,680 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: like I didn't think and please don't take the strong way.

643
00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: I did not, like, I just didn't expect you to

644
00:34:35,520 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: go that far. I think, like, wait, wait, wait, what

645
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: do you mean by that go far? Aware? Like in

646
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,680
Speaker 1: the season, like I like you because you were always

647
00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: so reserved, and maybe it's just like what we did

648
00:34:46,600 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: not see in your time with Claire, Like you know,

649
00:34:49,560 --> 00:34:51,560
Speaker 1: you weren't really in the in the middle of the drama.

650
00:34:51,600 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: We didn't see all that much of you, and so

651
00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:55,320
Speaker 1: you were just kind of like back in the shadows.

652
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: And now we're obviously seen you come out of your

653
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,120
Speaker 1: cello a little bit more in each week. I feel

654
00:35:01,120 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: like your theme is like to show up and to

655
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: like prove yourself and to like just make the most

656
00:35:06,160 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 1: of the time when you've you know, you learned from

657
00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,400
Speaker 1: your experiences where you did it in one episode with

658
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: your timing sucks. Yeah, yeah, I mean I think that's

659
00:35:14,719 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 1: I think that's a theme in my life, Like as

660
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:18,880
Speaker 1: a whole, I try and do everything and make everything

661
00:35:18,920 --> 00:35:20,640
Speaker 1: perfect and it comes back to buy me and me

662
00:35:20,680 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 1: ass more times than not. And so you know, we've

663
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 1: seen from the show. I try and do a special

664
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 1: thing and it doesn't pan out, But I think that

665
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:31,759
Speaker 1: there's more opportunity for me to show up and for

666
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 1: me to you know, make my presence sound. Yeah. Well,

667
00:35:35,080 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: and you definitely are, like each week you're opening up

668
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:40,040
Speaker 1: more and more and even though when you recognize the

669
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: struggle in that and so, I mean, we're personally loving it.

670
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:44,839
Speaker 1: Like I said, I find it more enticing. We're finally

671
00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 1: getting to know you on a deeper level, which is

672
00:35:47,040 --> 00:35:50,760
Speaker 1: something like really incredible. But you obviously also do mention

673
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: that it's not easy for you. So yeah, you know,

674
00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: up until this episode, at what point did you just

675
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 1: decide to say, like, I'm going to go for it,

676
00:35:58,480 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 1: even though it's not easy, I'm going to do all

677
00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:02,279
Speaker 1: that i have to do and just hit the ground running. Like,

678
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:04,240
Speaker 1: how does that feel now that you're kind of getting

679
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:09,840
Speaker 1: to that place with her? Yeah, maybe, Unlike the first

680
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:14,520
Speaker 1: experience with Claire, there was an incredible immediate attraction between

681
00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 1: Tatia and I felt that I know she felt it,

682
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:18,279
Speaker 1: and it was something that I was important for me

683
00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:19,880
Speaker 1: to at least pursue. I'm not going to go on

684
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,720
Speaker 1: this program or this experience and not give it everything

685
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: I've got. It's not hard for me to be open

686
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: and vulnerable in a platonic relationship with my closest friends

687
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:33,400
Speaker 1: help even like with you guys, I'm comfortable sharing things

688
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: that are vulnerable to me. It's when I get into

689
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 1: a romantic situation and I have to be vulnerable around

690
00:36:38,280 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 1: someone that could potentially leave me and leave me hurting,

691
00:36:41,040 --> 00:36:46,200
Speaker 1: That's when I wall off. And so it was incredibly challenging.

692
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 1: And for like some people listening, they're like, oh my god,

693
00:36:47,880 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: why don't you just like say how you feel. That's

694
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,720
Speaker 1: like the hardest thing for me to do. And so

695
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:56,200
Speaker 1: for me, it was a personal challenge to show up

696
00:36:56,200 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: in each interaction, like you're talking about maximizing the time

697
00:36:58,560 --> 00:37:01,600
Speaker 1: I had with Tatia, show up in each interaction. I

698
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,520
Speaker 1: give all of myself in a way that I might

699
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,520
Speaker 1: otherwise not and then see how it shakes out. I mean,

700
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,160
Speaker 1: the repercussions of it going poorly are that I get

701
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: sent home, but like everybody except one person gets sent home.

702
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: So I like had done some expectation management at the beginning,

703
00:37:16,040 --> 00:37:17,480
Speaker 1: and I was just like, look, I'm just gonna send it,

704
00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 1: and I hope that it comes off. I hope that

705
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,239
Speaker 1: it comes off like it comes off nice, because it

706
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:25,359
Speaker 1: was I was so nervous. I don't get nervous, and

707
00:37:25,400 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: I'm so nervous. I think in one of the previous episodes,

708
00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: I'm like talking about how nervous I am, and like,

709
00:37:30,600 --> 00:37:33,319
Speaker 1: I don't get nervous and it'll come off just fine.

710
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,640
Speaker 1: Fastination is very forgiving to men, especially attractive men. I

711
00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: was so nervous. What's your sign, Malia Aliah? Yeah, all

712
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: of best Friends videos would excess Leia the worst you

713
00:37:54,719 --> 00:38:00,560
Speaker 1: really are. But you know what, recognize using it and

714
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: being aware of it is the first step. Most leos

715
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: can't do that just just being honestly les leos can't.

716
00:38:07,120 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: So let's talk about the elephant in the room. By that,

717
00:38:12,480 --> 00:38:15,799
Speaker 1: I mean you, yeah, and I mean the date, the

718
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: art date as so many questions I want to know,

719
00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 1: so we can we can pass through the drawing because

720
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: all y'all sucked at that. Yeah, he didn't have to

721
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:28,759
Speaker 1: show mine. I had a beautiful drawing. I can you

722
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:30,840
Speaker 1: notice I'm like smearing the pain. It was about the

723
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 1: swirling emotions. There was another work of art to talk.

724
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:38,160
Speaker 1: Let's get to that, let's get to that the sculpture.

725
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,200
Speaker 1: Oh my god, But how how freaking weird is it

726
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: that Blake did a penis? Is that what he did?

727
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,600
Speaker 1: They like? Is that? What is that? What he did?

728
00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:48,280
Speaker 1: I love Blake? I love Blake. There's just a creepy

729
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,000
Speaker 1: there's just a very creepy persona that he keeps playing

730
00:38:51,040 --> 00:38:55,480
Speaker 1: into that. I'm not when he was talking about it

731
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,320
Speaker 1: with some of the dudes later, like at the Hoose,

732
00:38:57,840 --> 00:38:59,160
Speaker 1: and he was just like, I don't know why I

733
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: did that, but I just thought it was a good idea.

734
00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:04,520
Speaker 1: I'm Blake. I'm Blake's biggest fan. I'm Blake's biggest fan.

735
00:39:05,200 --> 00:39:09,239
Speaker 1: He gave a beautiful, like eloquent explanation of why he

736
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:12,120
Speaker 1: chose to make a penis, but like, I can't remember

737
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 1: right now, but in the middle, I was like, damn,

738
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,880
Speaker 1: that's good. They don't know that because they're playing into

739
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:21,959
Speaker 1: this theme of him being creepy. They also don't show

740
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,400
Speaker 1: how beautifully sculpted it was. So it was a penis.

741
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: We this is ABC Family Station. It was beautiful that

742
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,840
Speaker 1: you'd go in a museum somewhere. It was it was

743
00:39:33,960 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 1: I mean, did he say that it was that's what

744
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:40,120
Speaker 1: his looks like, because that's the only keep it. I'm

745
00:39:40,160 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: not sure that's the only way to fix this. And

746
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,360
Speaker 1: this is a replica of mine, jed as we asked

747
00:39:45,360 --> 00:39:51,759
Speaker 1: if he still has the penis sculpture, that might that's

748
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:54,960
Speaker 1: even creepier if he still has it. Oh, Blake, Uh,

749
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: we're going down the dark. I hope he has it,

750
00:39:56,920 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: and I hope it comes out during mental Oh but reappears. Okay,

751
00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,839
Speaker 1: back to the elephant in the room. So we don't care.

752
00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,359
Speaker 1: We don't care about the sculpture. We don't care about

753
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,720
Speaker 1: the drawing. We care about the self expression. So Ben,

754
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 1: you did a little bit more than self express. Okay

755
00:40:16,280 --> 00:40:21,880
Speaker 1: I did. Were you inspired by the two nude models

756
00:40:21,920 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: that you saw before us earlier? Oh? Okay, let's take

757
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: it back. So if you let's think about several years.

758
00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 1: Have you asked my mother about Ben. She'd be like, Mom,

759
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: how's Ben? She like? Ben's an exhibitionist. Ben is naked

760
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: all the time. And you and Kenny get along. Kenny's wonderful.

761
00:40:44,280 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: I love Kenny. Also, I get along with everybody in

762
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:48,480
Speaker 1: the house. I have like four skills. One of them

763
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,480
Speaker 1: is just being friendly with everybody. And so you have

764
00:40:52,120 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: skills and let's let's clarify know only has one of

765
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:58,160
Speaker 1: those four skills according to Bena, is that right, I

766
00:40:58,200 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't know. Twenty five year old Noah

767
00:41:00,640 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: and twenty five year old Ben are very similar. I

768
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: connected with Noah because I saw a lot of my

769
00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 1: younger self in him. I said that about Corinna last season.

770
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: I get that. Okay, Yeah, I felt I and I

771
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 1: didn't act in this way most often, but I felt

772
00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 1: this need to like mentor and take care of him.

773
00:41:19,760 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: I also, my background is military. I was an army

774
00:41:22,160 --> 00:41:24,160
Speaker 1: officer for a long time. I had soldiers that like

775
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,040
Speaker 1: and myself even they were Noah and I just, uh,

776
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't even talk about him, but

777
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: he's he's a great kid. He's a great kid. So

778
00:41:32,840 --> 00:41:38,080
Speaker 1: back to the exodu. Yeah, so early on in the season,

779
00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:40,440
Speaker 1: we see the guys have to play strip dodgeball. I

780
00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: was jealous that I didn't get to play strip dodgeball.

781
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: Later on they played. Later on they play speedo basketball,

782
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:47,279
Speaker 1: and I'm like, houly shit, when do I get my

783
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:52,640
Speaker 1: chance to say my close And I had like nakedness,

784
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:57,360
Speaker 1: envy and um so the therapy date was really incredible

785
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,879
Speaker 1: for me because, as you can see throughout the season,

786
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: I get these like small opportunities to be vulnerable and

787
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:06,120
Speaker 1: be open and express it with my words. And speaking

788
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: is how I feel most comfortable expressing myself. Not to

789
00:42:10,200 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: a romantic partner, but just in general. My job is

790
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:15,239
Speaker 1: public speaking. Being in the Army was public speaking. I'm

791
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:17,280
Speaker 1: a fitness coach now, I coach a classroom of people

792
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: several times a day. I speak publicly. It's like where

793
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 1: I'm most comfortable. And so I got all these opportunities,

794
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 1: small little pieces to be vulnerable openly with my voice,

795
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: and the arccade allowed me to express myself in other

796
00:42:30,000 --> 00:42:31,640
Speaker 1: ways and then talk about it. And so we got

797
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: to paint, we got to sculpt, and I got to

798
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: like share a little bit here, a little bit there,

799
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,120
Speaker 1: and then the last bit to self portrait piece, I

800
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: was like, holy shit, I can just blow this out

801
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:44,360
Speaker 1: of water and have a really thoughtful thing that I say.

802
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:45,840
Speaker 1: And my biggest fear was that I was going to

803
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 1: drop my clothes and her be like, oh my god,

804
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: there's a butt, Oh my god, he's got his butt out.

805
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,279
Speaker 1: But Tatian, I shared this moment where we had made

806
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:55,120
Speaker 1: eye contact and I expressed to her the things that

807
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: I wanted to share, and she heard me and she

808
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,760
Speaker 1: saw me and she felt it and it was incredible

809
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 1: for me, and I hope the same for her. But yeah,

810
00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:06,200
Speaker 1: taking my clothes off was a literal and figurative figurative

811
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:10,920
Speaker 1: like dropping of my guard and maybe she like caught

812
00:43:10,960 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 1: a glimpse of me, or maybe she didn't. I don't know,

813
00:43:13,800 --> 00:43:15,880
Speaker 1: but it like wasn't about being naked. It was about

814
00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,960
Speaker 1: removing this like barrier that I had. It. Oh, it

815
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:25,120
Speaker 1: was about being naked. Show anything, my legs are nice.

816
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:27,760
Speaker 1: I think that you were like, when can I be naked?

817
00:43:27,800 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 1: Because we I mean everyone being on the on the

818
00:43:29,800 --> 00:43:33,400
Speaker 1: podcast talking about like the strip, Dodgeball and the water

819
00:43:33,440 --> 00:43:36,279
Speaker 1: Polo when they were in their sweetos, like we go

820
00:43:36,520 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: slack for kind of hyping it up and being like, yeah,

821
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:43,760
Speaker 1: you know, it was entertaining, So I'm glad that you can.

822
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: You know that too, like everyone listening. Ben was not

823
00:43:47,920 --> 00:43:50,319
Speaker 1: forced to take that. That was my idea. That was

824
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,480
Speaker 1: my idea. Also, like on the show, maybe I come

825
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: across as like very serious and like you do incredibly

826
00:43:57,160 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 1: thoughtful in that in that experience I was, I cared

827
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:03,239
Speaker 1: very deeply about how the thing ends up, Like I

828
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:04,800
Speaker 1: don't play it. I don't play I said it in

829
00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 1: the show, I don't play, like if there's something that

830
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 1: needs to be achieved or there's some sort of objective,

831
00:44:08,600 --> 00:44:10,840
Speaker 1: and in this case, it was like getting to the

832
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:13,839
Speaker 1: end ultimately furthering my relationship with this beautiful woman. Then

833
00:44:13,920 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 1: like I'm not fucking around, but in the same way,

834
00:44:19,000 --> 00:44:21,440
Speaker 1: literally everything that I do as a joke and so

835
00:44:22,120 --> 00:44:25,480
Speaker 1: and so that playful, fun sarcastic side got to come

836
00:44:25,520 --> 00:44:27,440
Speaker 1: out in a small bit, but then I also got

837
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,560
Speaker 1: to be super thoughtful and super intentional with the way

838
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 1: that I like curated that thing. Well, I want to

839
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: segue from that you know, exhibition to then the cocktail party,

840
00:44:41,880 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 1: because you know, we saw you, and I think what

841
00:44:44,600 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 1: sucks what for me as a viewers, Like I'm so

842
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: curious about all of you men, like I want to

843
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 1: know more. And I felt like the conversation that you

844
00:44:50,600 --> 00:44:52,680
Speaker 1: had that night with her deserved a lot more time,

845
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:54,360
Speaker 1: like I will. That's why I'm hoping. I don't know

846
00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: what happens in the weeks to come, but I would

847
00:44:56,920 --> 00:44:58,560
Speaker 1: love to see a one on one just to learn

848
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 1: more about you. But when you did finally open up

849
00:45:01,360 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: that night to her, did you feel like did you

850
00:45:05,120 --> 00:45:09,280
Speaker 1: feel more of the pressure to divulge that information because

851
00:45:09,280 --> 00:45:11,399
Speaker 1: of a certain timeline or time frame that you thought

852
00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: you were on, or did you just genuinely want to

853
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:15,160
Speaker 1: open up like you felt like it was the right timeward.

854
00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 1: It's like I've let I've you know, literally shed my clothes,

855
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: I've let my guard down, and now I have the capability,

856
00:45:20,880 --> 00:45:23,759
Speaker 1: in the capacity to talk to Tatia about you know,

857
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:28,960
Speaker 1: like this heavy conversation. Yeah, I think specifically that night

858
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: and then like every other instance during the season, for me,

859
00:45:33,640 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 1: it was incredibly challenging to be open and vulnerable. Like

860
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:40,640
Speaker 1: I said, the romantic nature of our relationship like put

861
00:45:40,719 --> 00:45:43,359
Speaker 1: some sort of weird frame on everything that I do.

862
00:45:43,480 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: And maybe it's just because I was like a chubby

863
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 1: kid and I'm like afraid that girls don't like me,

864
00:45:48,840 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 1: or like whatever it is. I don't know, like I

865
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,799
Speaker 1: don't know what the thing is that causes me to

866
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:56,000
Speaker 1: do this. But in that setting, the dynamic between Tatie

867
00:45:56,040 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 1: and I was often Ben, I need you to share

868
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: some more stuff with me and be like oh, I

869
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: don't want to do that. That's really scary for me.

870
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: I can't do that yet. And she's like, Ben, like,

871
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,360
Speaker 1: come on, you gotta like share some stuff with me.

872
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: And I'd be like, oh, that seems silly for me

873
00:46:10,320 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: to do that. I can't do that right now. And

874
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:13,880
Speaker 1: then she'd like, Ben, just tell me some stuff and

875
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 1: I would be like, okay, I'll tell you some stuff.

876
00:46:16,200 --> 00:46:18,839
Speaker 1: And so that night, I think was like a nice

877
00:46:18,880 --> 00:46:22,680
Speaker 1: gateway or like a breaking of this frame for me

878
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:24,359
Speaker 1: to just be like, holy shit, I'm just gonna tell

879
00:46:24,360 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 1: you a whole bunch of stuff. And if it comes

880
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 1: off weird, I don't know it's authentic. So like here

881
00:46:28,320 --> 00:46:30,920
Speaker 1: it is, and I share some stuff that's vulnerable for me,

882
00:46:30,960 --> 00:46:32,920
Speaker 1: and I think it gives me an opportunity then moving

883
00:46:32,960 --> 00:46:36,720
Speaker 1: forward to like feel comfortable being open and vulnerable, because

884
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 1: in that instance, it's small stuff. It's yeah, go ahead, Sorry, no,

885
00:46:42,840 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: I'm still sorry. I thought I thought you were finished.

886
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 1: I want you to finish your thought. Well, I was

887
00:46:45,920 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: just gonna say. It's like it was, it's small stuff.

888
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: And you can see throughout the course of the show

889
00:46:49,880 --> 00:46:52,960
Speaker 1: it's like very gradual, like yeah, me getting naked is

890
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 1: like a big thing, but like for me, that's not

891
00:46:54,560 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: a big thing. It's just like a way for me

892
00:46:56,280 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: to express something small. The stuff I said to her

893
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,760
Speaker 1: was far more meaningful, like this is my physical body.

894
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,720
Speaker 1: You can have this thing, but also all the stuff

895
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:08,080
Speaker 1: that's inside, you know. And I think just moving forward

896
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 1: throughout the process, however long it goes, every time I'm

897
00:47:10,520 --> 00:47:13,279
Speaker 1: with her, I'm able to divulge more and share more

898
00:47:13,320 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 1: and be more vulnerable and ultimately like deep in the

899
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,040
Speaker 1: connection that we share. Yeah, that's what I was going

900
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:20,640
Speaker 1: to ask you, is after you have this moment with her,

901
00:47:20,719 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: do you feel like it allowed you to just be

902
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:28,560
Speaker 1: your ultimate self as you progress during the show. And

903
00:47:28,600 --> 00:47:32,160
Speaker 1: then the second thing is is so much time kind

904
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,920
Speaker 1: of was lost because of Claire and dealing with that

905
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,879
Speaker 1: and then a second bachelorette. Do you feel like it

906
00:47:38,920 --> 00:47:41,040
Speaker 1: was a little bit too late for you or do

907
00:47:41,080 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: you feel like you have enough You had enough time

908
00:47:44,120 --> 00:47:48,120
Speaker 1: to really show her who you are. I think that

909
00:47:48,320 --> 00:47:51,640
Speaker 1: I most certainly had enough time to show her who

910
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:57,040
Speaker 1: I am in the process. I was most concerned that

911
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:00,359
Speaker 1: given like the fleeting nature of our interaction and like

912
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,319
Speaker 1: you guys know, it's like small touches here and there.

913
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:06,600
Speaker 1: It's not days spend together, but those those times that

914
00:48:06,640 --> 00:48:11,719
Speaker 1: you spend together are so intense and so like amplified

915
00:48:11,800 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 1: for like lack of a better term, they're so important

916
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: and so for me, luckily, I was able to be

917
00:48:17,600 --> 00:48:20,480
Speaker 1: vulnerable and I wasn't holding out any longer, and so

918
00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: like the times that we were able to speak after

919
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:27,200
Speaker 1: that we were incredibly valuable for the relationship. I think

920
00:48:27,719 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: the art date specifically, it was incredibly important for me

921
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:34,800
Speaker 1: because my interactions with Tatia had been group dates only,

922
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:38,040
Speaker 1: and so that little tiny bit, I mean we'd had

923
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:39,840
Speaker 1: like a cocktail party or like the end of a

924
00:48:40,360 --> 00:48:43,400
Speaker 1: I miss the time with her at the at the

925
00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: after party on the group date, but the times that

926
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: I spent with her up until that point had been

927
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 1: like group focused, and so this me standing out on

928
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,239
Speaker 1: that date and I'm being more vulnerable than I'd ever

929
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:58,120
Speaker 1: been at the after party, I think was really valuable

930
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: for not only my growth on the show, but like

931
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,680
Speaker 1: the growth of that relationship. Yeah, I want to ask

932
00:49:03,719 --> 00:49:06,239
Speaker 1: you because this is something prior to you coming on,

933
00:49:06,480 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 1: Rachel and I had chatted about this where we feel

934
00:49:10,480 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: like it's been a lot of the men opening up

935
00:49:13,360 --> 00:49:15,680
Speaker 1: and we're getting to know you guys more, which is

936
00:49:15,680 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: great because we obviously did not see that the first

937
00:49:17,960 --> 00:49:21,960
Speaker 1: couple of weeks of the season. But we like we

938
00:49:21,960 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: were talking about how we wanted more from Tatia, like

939
00:49:24,000 --> 00:49:25,960
Speaker 1: for her to interact more and to ask more questions

940
00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: and to open up a little bit further. Do you

941
00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:32,000
Speaker 1: feel like, because you're now starting to become more vulnerable

942
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,160
Speaker 1: and like really share who you are. Do you feel

943
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: like that was reciprocated and that she was able to

944
00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:40,239
Speaker 1: do the same or was it more one sided? I

945
00:49:40,239 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: don't know that it was one sided. I think there

946
00:49:42,640 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 1: was more of an emphasis placed on me being openly

947
00:49:47,760 --> 00:49:49,719
Speaker 1: vulnerable with her, and it was almost as if it

948
00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:52,840
Speaker 1: was a challenge from her. We started off me walled

949
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,600
Speaker 1: up and not ready to share, and so I think

950
00:49:55,680 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: the theme of our relationship, at least early on was

951
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:03,280
Speaker 1: more of like an interview style, where it's like Tasia

952
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,279
Speaker 1: asking questions or me asking Taisha to ask questions of

953
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:10,040
Speaker 1: me so that I can share information. Later, as the

954
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:14,799
Speaker 1: as our relationship progresses, there's more two ways sharing, But

955
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:16,520
Speaker 1: I think very much early on it was more of

956
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:21,080
Speaker 1: like a Tasia asking things of me, which I think

957
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 1: was appropriate. I think it was appropriate and just like

958
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 1: I said, given the short nature of our relationship, like

959
00:50:28,080 --> 00:50:32,840
Speaker 1: not only in time, but in interaction, I think it

960
00:50:32,880 --> 00:50:36,239
Speaker 1: was appropriate. Yeah, because she needs to know, she needs

961
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: to know about me. You know, she's the one ultimately

962
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: making the decision. And I said this all along. I

963
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,080
Speaker 1: said that, like it's an incredibly beautiful thing that she

964
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:46,319
Speaker 1: holds the holds like the key in this thing, Like

965
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,400
Speaker 1: she gets to decide. So like I'm here to be

966
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:49,839
Speaker 1: a part of the process. I'm here to do what

967
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 1: they need me to do, what Tatia needs me to do,

968
00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:55,600
Speaker 1: and I'm excited for the opportunity to progress this relationship,

969
00:50:55,640 --> 00:51:00,760
Speaker 1: to learn more about her, but also to be more vulnerable. Um,

970
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 1: do you read spoilers? You know I get overwhelmed and stressed,

971
00:51:05,960 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 1: like really easy and so all the stuff. Welcome to bat.

972
00:51:10,640 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: I know it's it's it's a lot, So get this.

973
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 1: I could be in front of a room at ten

974
00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 1: thousand people speaking and be fine. I could be like

975
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:25,120
Speaker 1: deployed in like a war thing and like be totally fine. Uh,

976
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:29,399
Speaker 1: my phone if it has more than like five notifications

977
00:51:29,440 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: on it, I can't handle it. I can't read the stuff.

978
00:51:32,960 --> 00:51:35,000
Speaker 1: I'm not in the group. I can't do it. It's

979
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:37,279
Speaker 1: a weird. It's like a weird thing for me. I'm

980
00:51:37,320 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: just so over I'm so overwhelmed by it. Um. And

981
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:42,680
Speaker 1: I hope I'm not alone in that. Maybe I am.

982
00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, but like it's, uh, it's so overwhelming

983
00:51:45,680 --> 00:51:47,440
Speaker 1: for me. So no, I don't. I don't read anything.

984
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: People send me stuff all the time. But like, I

985
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:52,480
Speaker 1: just that's good that you don't. I can't. I have

986
00:51:52,600 --> 00:51:56,520
Speaker 1: I have an incredible support system. Um, that's my roommate.

987
00:51:56,960 --> 00:51:58,560
Speaker 1: A lot of my friends are seen if you're older

988
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,360
Speaker 1: than me, just for the nature of the community that

989
00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:02,799
Speaker 1: I live in where I work, a lot of people

990
00:52:02,840 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: are fifteen years older and they're like keeping me very levelheaded.

991
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:10,239
Speaker 1: And we have one rule, don't read the comments. So

992
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:11,680
Speaker 1: I don't. Oh my gosh, you're going to be so

993
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:14,680
Speaker 1: successful on this show. You already had the keys to success.

994
00:52:14,719 --> 00:52:17,720
Speaker 1: You don't pay attention to you know what people are saying.

995
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:20,399
Speaker 1: You surrounded yourself with people who know you, get you,

996
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:23,080
Speaker 1: lift you, well, check you if your head gets too big,

997
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,680
Speaker 1: because that could happen as well. Yeah, And so I

998
00:52:25,680 --> 00:52:28,400
Speaker 1: mean you're we aren't even worried about you. You're about

999
00:52:28,400 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: to do fantastic. I also do. I'm like a religious

1000
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:36,919
Speaker 1: therapy person, so I like and I've been doing therapy

1001
00:52:36,960 --> 00:52:39,279
Speaker 1: for a long time, and like I prepped for this

1002
00:52:39,400 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: experience with my therapist. I went into the experience, I

1003
00:52:42,120 --> 00:52:44,160
Speaker 1: came back, I like did an intensive thing. And so

1004
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm like, like I have a life outside

1005
00:52:47,520 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 1: of this experience, and I think that, like maybe some

1006
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,759
Speaker 1: people don't see it that way, and so like I

1007
00:52:51,800 --> 00:52:54,239
Speaker 1: contribute to my community in a way that like I'm

1008
00:52:54,239 --> 00:52:57,760
Speaker 1: incredibly proud of, and so I can't let this experience

1009
00:52:57,760 --> 00:52:59,839
Speaker 1: also it was like incredibly important and something that like

1010
00:53:00,440 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: I'm extremely proud of as well. But like, I can't

1011
00:53:02,600 --> 00:53:04,680
Speaker 1: let this take away from my ability to be the

1012
00:53:04,680 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: person that I am for the people that I surround

1013
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:10,120
Speaker 1: myself with. All right, clip it, clip this, pen this

1014
00:53:10,520 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 1: at part because Ben, don't ever lose that, don't ever

1015
00:53:15,520 --> 00:53:17,719
Speaker 1: lose this. It is so easy to get sucked up

1016
00:53:17,760 --> 00:53:20,160
Speaker 1: into all of this, and we're gonna clip this, We're

1017
00:53:20,160 --> 00:53:22,840
Speaker 1: gonna pin it, and if you ever get off track,

1018
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: we're just trying to slide into your DMS and play

1019
00:53:26,040 --> 00:53:30,440
Speaker 1: this because that's honestly, it's something that every contestant coming

1020
00:53:30,440 --> 00:53:33,080
Speaker 1: out off this show should think about, and that's how

1021
00:53:33,080 --> 00:53:36,080
Speaker 1: they should be this that's our nation world. It's so

1022
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 1: easy to get caught up in the praise, to get

1023
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 1: sucked into it, to get a distorted view of how

1024
00:53:41,120 --> 00:53:43,160
Speaker 1: the rest of the world views you, or even how

1025
00:53:43,160 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 1: you start viewing yourself. So that's beautiful that you're able

1026
00:53:45,760 --> 00:53:48,600
Speaker 1: to hold on to that. Therapy. I'm big on therapy too.

1027
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we've talked to some people before. We're like

1028
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: the number one advice we would give or that we've

1029
00:53:53,840 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: gotten is like, keep your therapist regarding because it's going

1030
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:58,160
Speaker 1: to be a wave. It's still going to be up

1031
00:53:58,160 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: and down from here. You don't know like what's going

1032
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,080
Speaker 1: to happen. Well, it's going to be shown what people

1033
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: are going to say, and so to have that support

1034
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 1: system in that just like steady structure to you know,

1035
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:08,839
Speaker 1: like if you need to fall, you can land land there.

1036
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 1: It's so helpful. But this is why, like and Rachel,

1037
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,680
Speaker 1: I've talked about this all the time, is that bachelination

1038
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 1: things are so fickle and fleeting. There's a villain one day,

1039
00:54:17,400 --> 00:54:19,480
Speaker 1: there's a new villain the next. People love you one day,

1040
00:54:19,480 --> 00:54:22,360
Speaker 1: they're gonna hate you the next. It's this roller coaster,

1041
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 1: and to still know, like stay true to who you

1042
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 1: are and to know, like I have my career that

1043
00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:29,719
Speaker 1: I love, I have my friends and family that I

1044
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:31,680
Speaker 1: can lead, and I have all these things that make

1045
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,759
Speaker 1: me who I am, and not just this show, Like

1046
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 1: as you said, You're not just like bet on The Bachelor,

1047
00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:39,279
Speaker 1: Like this is only going to last for a couple

1048
00:54:39,280 --> 00:54:41,560
Speaker 1: of months, and so I think, I mean, I wish

1049
00:54:41,760 --> 00:54:44,240
Speaker 1: everyone on your season could take note and from seasons

1050
00:54:44,280 --> 00:54:46,880
Speaker 1: to come could take note of that mentality and to

1051
00:54:46,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: keep that in mind because like it's not going to

1052
00:54:49,640 --> 00:54:54,120
Speaker 1: be lasting. I have a friend who's you know, I've

1053
00:54:54,160 --> 00:54:57,120
Speaker 1: been pretty instrumental in my development over the last couple years,

1054
00:54:57,120 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: and he said to me before I left, he said,

1055
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:01,840
Speaker 1: without expectation, and there are no limitations. And so like

1056
00:55:01,920 --> 00:55:04,440
Speaker 1: it worked, going into the experience, I had no expectations.

1057
00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 1: I showed up completely as myself. I challenged myself in

1058
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:09,919
Speaker 1: a way that I'd never challenged myself before, and so

1059
00:55:10,120 --> 00:55:13,080
Speaker 1: there were no limits on what happened there. But the

1060
00:55:13,080 --> 00:55:15,440
Speaker 1: same applies coming home. I have no expectations and like

1061
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:18,120
Speaker 1: what will ultimately be shown on TV. I know the

1062
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: experience that I had. I know the relationships that I built,

1063
00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 1: you know, the friendships that I cultivated. And for me,

1064
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 1: the only thing that matters is what mattered before going

1065
00:55:28,840 --> 00:55:31,840
Speaker 1: on the show, and so the community that I live in,

1066
00:55:31,880 --> 00:55:34,239
Speaker 1: the people that I love here, that's what matters now.

1067
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:37,640
Speaker 1: And then like ultimately, there'll be opportunities and things that

1068
00:55:37,719 --> 00:55:40,719
Speaker 1: come up this experience, new friends, things like that, But

1069
00:55:41,320 --> 00:55:43,840
Speaker 1: I care deeply about what I do, and so I

1070
00:55:45,719 --> 00:55:48,960
Speaker 1: don't think I'm gonna like lose the whatever I've got

1071
00:55:48,960 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 1: going right here. I'm gonna say it, Ben, and then

1072
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 1: we're going to get to the roles and Thorn, I'm

1073
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:57,720
Speaker 1: gonna say it, you have the makings of a good bachelor.

1074
00:55:57,880 --> 00:56:01,440
Speaker 1: I was joking that Frankly say, I don't know what.

1075
00:56:01,680 --> 00:56:03,480
Speaker 1: I don't know what. I don't know what that means,

1076
00:56:03,520 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: but I appreciate it. We don't make that statement out

1077
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:09,319
Speaker 1: out too much. We'll put that out there, but I'm

1078
00:56:09,320 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: just gonna say, you know, this audition, it's my hair.

1079
00:56:15,440 --> 00:56:18,120
Speaker 1: This was an audition. Would you say yes to it

1080
00:56:18,160 --> 00:56:19,920
Speaker 1: if it were to come? I mean, I don't know

1081
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,319
Speaker 1: what happened. I don't read the spoilers, but I don't

1082
00:56:22,320 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: know what happens in the end of the season. I

1083
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,200
Speaker 1: guess we'll have to watch it. We'll have to wait,

1084
00:56:28,239 --> 00:56:32,880
Speaker 1: we'll find out. Okay. Well, we always ask this if

1085
00:56:32,920 --> 00:56:35,440
Speaker 1: every contestant, everyone that joins us, because we have to know.

1086
00:56:35,480 --> 00:56:38,320
Speaker 1: And it sounds like from what I'm hearing, you don't

1087
00:56:38,320 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: have any regrets, which I think is key to this

1088
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:44,520
Speaker 1: and to have like a really successful just appreciation for

1089
00:56:44,560 --> 00:56:46,040
Speaker 1: the show and what you put yourself through. So I

1090
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:48,719
Speaker 1: hope that's the case. But if you were to give

1091
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:51,239
Speaker 1: us your rose and thorn of the season so far,

1092
00:56:51,400 --> 00:56:53,040
Speaker 1: you know, because we have there's a lot more that

1093
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:55,359
Speaker 1: that we've yet to see. But so far, what would

1094
00:56:55,400 --> 00:56:58,960
Speaker 1: it be? Uh? The rose? What does that mean? There's

1095
00:56:59,000 --> 00:57:02,920
Speaker 1: someone that we like? Highlight in your low light? Up

1096
00:57:02,960 --> 00:57:12,480
Speaker 1: until this point, the highlight of this experience for me

1097
00:57:12,560 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 1: has been taking a chance on myself and pursuing a

1098
00:57:15,080 --> 00:57:19,280
Speaker 1: thing that I didn't think I needed to pursue. I'm

1099
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,840
Speaker 1: very comfortable in the world that I live here in here,

1100
00:57:21,880 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 1: I'm very comfortable with the work that I do. I

1101
00:57:23,640 --> 00:57:26,600
Speaker 1: know I'm exceptional with the job that I do. Every day.

1102
00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: It doesn't stress me, it doesn't challenge me, it doesn't

1103
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 1: scare me in the way that like the Bachelor experience

1104
00:57:31,680 --> 00:57:34,160
Speaker 1: scared me. And so I think my rose for this

1105
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: experience is the fact that I stepped outside of my

1106
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: comfort zone and challenge myself in a way that I

1107
00:57:39,560 --> 00:57:46,280
Speaker 1: usually wouldn't um my thorn, I'm upset I never got

1108
00:57:46,280 --> 00:57:50,120
Speaker 1: invited to Chateau Bene. To be honest, you and me both,

1109
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 1: I'm upset. Ben Bennet and I were very close, but

1110
00:57:53,920 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 1: I never got the yoga invite. I never got the

1111
00:57:56,080 --> 00:58:00,439
Speaker 1: face mask invite with like extra face mask from mud

1112
00:58:00,480 --> 00:58:05,920
Speaker 1: Master because because you were taken up from Noah. Get this.

1113
00:58:06,480 --> 00:58:08,920
Speaker 1: So I'm a strength coach here in Venice. We have

1114
00:58:09,040 --> 00:58:13,880
Speaker 1: muscle Beach here locally, we made a muscle beach at Laquita.

1115
00:58:14,720 --> 00:58:16,960
Speaker 1: Bennett and I and all the guys we trained at

1116
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:20,240
Speaker 1: muscle Beach every day. But I never got the invite

1117
00:58:20,280 --> 00:58:29,600
Speaker 1: to do face masks. And so that's my thorn. Who

1118
00:58:29,720 --> 00:58:31,919
Speaker 1: was I feel like we've asked a couple of guys,

1119
00:58:32,120 --> 00:58:36,000
Speaker 1: but who would you say on muscle beach was the

1120
00:58:36,040 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 1: most fit out of all the guys that are left me?

1121
00:58:43,360 --> 00:58:47,520
Speaker 1: Do you see you. Yeah, why not, let's go. I

1122
00:58:47,560 --> 00:58:54,160
Speaker 1: love it. No, that's it. I mean, I mean, uh no,

1123
00:58:54,280 --> 00:58:56,080
Speaker 1: I mean I do this professionally, so I better like

1124
00:58:56,400 --> 00:59:01,880
Speaker 1: be all right. But uh, you know, Zach see incredibly fit.

1125
00:59:02,680 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: He's got a mental really, he's got another gear mentally

1126
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:11,280
Speaker 1: that he can go to and so I appreciated his fitness.

1127
00:59:11,360 --> 00:59:17,240
Speaker 1: And Kenny is incredibly jacked. We've all seen that everybody

1128
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:18,960
Speaker 1: brings something different to the table. I feel like you

1129
00:59:19,040 --> 00:59:21,600
Speaker 1: guys are all like every single one of you, at

1130
00:59:21,680 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: least the date that I hosted last week, everyone was tall.

1131
00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: Everyone was like, I'm like the shortest dude in the house.

1132
00:59:28,360 --> 00:59:32,240
Speaker 1: How tall are you? Six two? You're the shortest, I'm

1133
00:59:32,320 --> 00:59:38,080
Speaker 1: one of the shortest. Yeah. Man, um wow, well that's

1134
00:59:38,120 --> 00:59:40,720
Speaker 1: I mean, six two's not short. So let's just let's

1135
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:44,959
Speaker 1: just be honest, Okay, Ben, It's been fun. It's been

1136
00:59:45,000 --> 00:59:47,280
Speaker 1: great to get to know you off the showers, you

1137
00:59:47,320 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because I feel like you're one

1138
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,280
Speaker 1: of the quieter ones. But it's been really fun to

1139
00:59:52,360 --> 00:59:54,240
Speaker 1: get to like sit down and talk to you, to

1140
00:59:54,320 --> 00:59:57,200
Speaker 1: get a little bit more insight behind the scenes, where

1141
00:59:57,240 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 1: your head's at, what's behind the rope the towel whatever.

1142
01:00:03,480 --> 01:00:06,760
Speaker 1: You with your hands, thank you. We had to keep

1143
01:00:06,800 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: it tasteful. I covered up with my hands too, But no,

1144
01:00:11,760 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: but no, seriously, I can't. I'm very curious Becca, and

1145
01:00:14,960 --> 01:00:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how this season ends, but I'd be

1146
01:00:18,320 --> 01:00:21,880
Speaker 1: shocked if you don't make it far. Um. You seem

1147
01:00:21,920 --> 01:00:25,480
Speaker 1: like a really good guy and very level headed, which

1148
01:00:25,920 --> 01:00:29,480
Speaker 1: sad to say, it's rare, and that's franchise. It really

1149
01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:32,400
Speaker 1: is to the people that come on the show. So

1150
01:00:33,320 --> 01:00:36,400
Speaker 1: we'll be watching. Yeah, thank you, Ben, Thank you for

1151
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:40,320
Speaker 1: pleasantly surprising me and proving me wrong yet again. I'm

1152
01:00:40,320 --> 01:00:42,800
Speaker 1: always wrong in this show. But um, I'm glad that

1153
01:00:42,840 --> 01:00:44,400
Speaker 1: I didn't just write you off for like a week

1154
01:00:44,440 --> 01:00:47,360
Speaker 1: tour and that you're you're still here showing more of us,

1155
01:00:47,560 --> 01:00:50,160
Speaker 1: showing more of you to us. That's right. Well, I

1156
01:00:50,160 --> 01:00:55,280
Speaker 1: appreciate it. Thank you so much, Ben was I was impressed, Becca,

1157
01:00:55,920 --> 01:00:59,680
Speaker 1: dare I say it? I was impressed with Ben. I'm

1158
01:00:59,720 --> 01:01:02,200
Speaker 1: more pressed that I didn't say call him Ben it

1159
01:01:02,600 --> 01:01:05,520
Speaker 1: the entire imagine. Impressed with you for that too. I

1160
01:01:05,880 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: thought I was going to pop out at one point. Um,

1161
01:01:08,760 --> 01:01:11,120
Speaker 1: you know what I love. And each week, we of

1162
01:01:11,120 --> 01:01:13,000
Speaker 1: course keep talking about like how we love having the

1163
01:01:13,080 --> 01:01:15,360
Speaker 1: guys on here to get a different perspective and to

1164
01:01:15,400 --> 01:01:18,120
Speaker 1: get to know them better. But I like the fact

1165
01:01:18,240 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 1: that we're having men on now that just didn't go

1166
01:01:22,640 --> 01:01:24,520
Speaker 1: home the night before and now we're catching up with

1167
01:01:24,560 --> 01:01:27,360
Speaker 1: them about their experience. I like having them on halfway through.

1168
01:01:27,600 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 1: We don't know how far he makes it, and some

1169
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:32,680
Speaker 1: of the other guys that we've had on two, we

1170
01:01:32,680 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 1: don't know how far they go. And I love that

1171
01:01:34,600 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 1: fact because a it keeps us guessing, It keeps it

1172
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:40,320
Speaker 1: keeps the listeners guessing, but it just gives us a

1173
01:01:40,360 --> 01:01:43,720
Speaker 1: new fresh perspective because they can only give us so much,

1174
01:01:43,800 --> 01:01:46,520
Speaker 1: and so I find that as like one of my

1175
01:01:46,560 --> 01:01:49,440
Speaker 1: favorite parts each week of having them. Really, I can't

1176
01:01:49,440 --> 01:01:52,240
Speaker 1: stand it. I can't stand the fact that they're yeah,

1177
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,320
Speaker 1: because I I'm afraid, like Ben was great, but if

1178
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:59,080
Speaker 1: Ben does something, I'm going to want to ask if

1179
01:01:59,120 --> 01:02:01,640
Speaker 1: Ben goes home home in the next episode or you

1180
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:03,520
Speaker 1: know what I mean, because Ben seems to me like

1181
01:02:03,600 --> 01:02:06,640
Speaker 1: he would make it very far. I get the attraction

1182
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,000
Speaker 1: that Tasia has to him, So I'm just going to

1183
01:02:09,080 --> 01:02:11,760
Speaker 1: have so many more questions or what if he's not

1184
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:14,240
Speaker 1: the person that we think he is. I don't like this,

1185
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:16,680
Speaker 1: and I think this is the lawyer in me. I

1186
01:02:16,840 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: need to know all the evidence before I sit down

1187
01:02:20,200 --> 01:02:24,080
Speaker 1: and I question you. I don't like this the story. Yeah,

1188
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:29,040
Speaker 1: this goes against everything that I stand for. Let me

1189
01:02:29,120 --> 01:02:31,720
Speaker 1: pitch you this idea and tell me your thoughts. Why

1190
01:02:31,760 --> 01:02:35,919
Speaker 1: don't we because obviously there's a mental all coming at

1191
01:02:35,960 --> 01:02:38,720
Speaker 1: some point with Chris Harrison. Why don't we do a

1192
01:02:38,760 --> 01:02:41,720
Speaker 1: mental all at some point with all the guys that

1193
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:44,520
Speaker 1: have gone home and now we can take them back

1194
01:02:44,560 --> 01:02:46,320
Speaker 1: in and say, hey, we talked to you about this

1195
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: on the podcast and you said this, but you really

1196
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 1: meant this or this then happened and get a new

1197
01:02:51,240 --> 01:02:54,640
Speaker 1: fresh perspective. We'll have our own ment all. I think

1198
01:02:54,680 --> 01:02:57,000
Speaker 1: that is a fantastic idea, but I'm going to be

1199
01:02:57,000 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 1: a hundred percent honest with you. I'm not interested to you.

1200
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,040
Speaker 1: Just want no no no no no, no no no.

1201
01:03:04,880 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 1: I have lost my interest. Okay, I don't need to

1202
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:10,400
Speaker 1: talk to you like I'm I'm eager to talk to

1203
01:03:10,440 --> 01:03:13,720
Speaker 1: you right here in this moment. By the time we

1204
01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,120
Speaker 1: get him and tell all, I have moved on. I

1205
01:03:16,120 --> 01:03:21,400
Speaker 1: have moved on I'm not interested in it. Yeah, old news,

1206
01:03:21,440 --> 01:03:24,840
Speaker 1: old news. Unless it's something crazy that happens, I'm not interested.

1207
01:03:25,480 --> 01:03:27,480
Speaker 1: I'm not interested. I would like to have Ben it

1208
01:03:27,600 --> 01:03:31,320
Speaker 1: on again, just to re rehash the drama that we're

1209
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 1: now seen. Yeah, and I too, I'll have been on

1210
01:03:37,960 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 1: a different podcast or I was just I was just

1211
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,680
Speaker 1: damn or something. I need most of some new podcasts

1212
01:03:42,680 --> 01:03:45,800
Speaker 1: at some point, let's be honest. Who been it? Yeah,

1213
01:03:46,000 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: he's strong. His strong suit is video video like he shines,

1214
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: but I don't know. We shall say, well, Ben was great,

1215
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:00,560
Speaker 1: but it was great. I actually was pleasantly surprised. Um

1216
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:05,800
Speaker 1: I yeah, I was interested. It was an interesting interview. Yeah, yeah,

1217
01:04:05,840 --> 01:04:08,720
Speaker 1: we'll see. Like you said, I think he'll go far.

1218
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm glad that I was wrong and that we're seeing

1219
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,040
Speaker 1: more of him. So who knows? To be continued, which

1220
01:04:14,040 --> 01:04:16,680
Speaker 1: is what we've seen in this episode this week. So

1221
01:04:16,880 --> 01:04:19,040
Speaker 1: next week we'll kick it off with the Rose ceremony.

1222
01:04:19,720 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 1: And in the meantime, guys, remember to keep sending us

1223
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: all of your questions about your favorite guys because we'll

1224
01:04:25,120 --> 01:04:28,040
Speaker 1: most likely have them on at some point in this podcast,

1225
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,080
Speaker 1: and you know where to find us, and if you

1226
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:33,600
Speaker 1: don't already know. It's at Bachelor Happy Hour on Instagram

1227
01:04:33,600 --> 01:04:36,240
Speaker 1: and at Batch Happy Hour on both Facebook and Twitter.

1228
01:04:37,240 --> 01:04:39,800
Speaker 1: That's right. And last, but not least, don't forget to

1229
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:44,040
Speaker 1: subscribe to our podcast on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, the Wandering App,

1230
01:04:44,160 --> 01:04:47,400
Speaker 1: or wherever you're listening to this right now. Hi guys,