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Speaker 3: Robert Adolph, Welcome to the show of Soft Rep Radio.

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Speaker 4: Thank you so many.

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Speaker 1: Now, do you like to be just.

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Speaker 3: Referred to as a retired lieutenant colonel special Forces green beret?

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Speaker 6: I made staff sergeant and oh, let me see nineteen

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Speaker 6: I actually was in Special Forces training in the fifth

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Speaker 6: I volunteered to go, but the Army and the definite wisdom,

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Speaker 6: as they always do, sevent to Fort Devons, Massachusetts, thirty

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Speaker 1: And here we go.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So Robert Bruce Adolf, he's an international speaker, author, commentator, consultant.

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Speaker 3: Let me take these glasses off to read this better.

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Speaker 3: Retired US Army Special Forces Lieutenant colonel and UN Chief

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Speaker 3: consulted confidentially on several tribal kidnappings with no loss of life.

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Speaker 3: Igo double kidnapping man. Sir, your education you have a

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Speaker 6: Yes, I just returned from Tangier and Morocco yesterday.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, my wife's birthday.

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Speaker 5: We've been together for twenty five years.

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Speaker 5: My wife and I actually met in Yemen.

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Speaker 6: It was the nature's the job. The job of a

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Speaker 6: But actually what happened was when I enlisted, I enlisted

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Speaker 5: To try and put it all together. And this is.

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Speaker 1: One time, one time.

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Speaker 3: We were walking around Hill Air Force Base going to

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Speaker 6: You've went through Special Forces of training started in nineteen

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Speaker 1: Hum nineteen seventy two, nineteen seventy three.

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Speaker 3: So you guys are wearing all the same Vietnam olive

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Speaker 4: That was just at that time.

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Speaker 5: You were wearing just the od's. Yeah, have the camouflage stuff.

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Speaker 3: It's so cool man, You're so cool. I just want

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 3: Could you imagine your card stats? You know what I'm saying,

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Speaker 5: Imagine anybody would want my card.

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Speaker 1: How cool is that? Huh?

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Speaker 1: Really, that is pretty cool.

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Speaker 3: So combat diver, So, like I said, there's always someone

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Speaker 1: You got your green beret.

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Speaker 3: But then there's someone who has a little button on

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Speaker 1: The you get win, yes, yeah, come on, dad, look

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and so you got your scuba underwater, which means

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Speaker 6: The only difference this is the UDT guy from World

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Speaker 3: Easiest thing to do, so I mean, just geez, thanks dad,

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Speaker 6: The fact was that my office, I was the head

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Speaker 5: We had no armed guard on a perimeter. We were

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Speaker 1: For soft target, soft.

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Speaker 6: And they took advantage, and twenty two people died as

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Speaker 3: Limited action, really no precautions to try to even put

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Speaker 6: approved that the wall was only partially built.

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Speaker 5: At the time of the attack, so it was too late,

443
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Speaker 5: too late, too little.

444
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Speaker 4: Too late.

445
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Speaker 3: You had already seen the situation though, you were already

446
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Speaker 3: trying to put something in place to help put a

447
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Speaker 3: barrier there and get things approved.

448
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Speaker 6: Yes, And I did so luckily in writing as well

449
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Speaker 6: as verbally, because later on after the attack, I m

450
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Speaker 6: the distinction of being the only senior security officer in

451
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Speaker 6: the history of the UN to be personally fired by

452
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Speaker 6: the UN Secretary.

453
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Speaker 1: General was that Kofianen.

454
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Speaker 5: That's the one.

455
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Speaker 6: He fired me personally on the front pages of the

456
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Speaker 6: New York Times. I was at that time in Ethiopia

457
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Speaker 6: conducting a security risk assessment in a place called Gambella

458
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Speaker 6: near the Sudanese border. I was told I had been

459
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Speaker 6: relieved by the Secretary General and I was to return

460
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Speaker 6: immediately to New York to face action.

461
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Speaker 5: Whatever that note.

462
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Speaker 3: You mean what you had just walked through isn't enough

463
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Speaker 3: facing the action, your friends, your colleagues.

464
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Speaker 1: He's not. Okay, okay, okay, go ahead.

465
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Speaker 5: The bottom line is they were looking for scapegoats.

466
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Speaker 6: The people who were actually responsible were very senior UN

467
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Speaker 6: security officers are in fact advisors. We're not decision makers.

468
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Speaker 6: So we give advice to senior UN staff leadership and management,

469
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Speaker 6: and they either accept it or they don't. The fact

470
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Speaker 6: is they ended up playing politics with people's lives, and

471
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Speaker 6: twenty two people paid the price, and one hundred and fifty.

472
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Speaker 4: Were wounded, right to include my wife.

473
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Speaker 6: My wife is wounded, medically evacuated and damn near lost deny.

474
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Speaker 3: I was going to say, you know, The people that

475
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Speaker 3: are working in the UN on the peace keeping side

476
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Speaker 3: of things are like your wife and like you know,

477
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Speaker 3: you and everybody's in there trying to like just make

478
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Speaker 3: sure everything's peaceful. You're not really wanting to have war

479
00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 3: brought to you, but all of a sudden, here it is,

480
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Speaker 3: you know, you have.

481
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Speaker 1: We end up.

482
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Speaker 5: Working in uncertain environments.

483
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Speaker 6: So the bottom line is is that we enter these

484
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Speaker 6: uncertain environments where conflict and violence and lawlessness are everywhere eminent. Essentially,

485
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Speaker 6: we operate in places where the United States Army and

486
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Speaker 6: large measure would not.

487
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Speaker 5: There's utter lawlessness.

488
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Speaker 6: Now if you don't know what lawlessness is, like, I

489
00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:20,800
Speaker 6: also worked in Cambodia during the untapped period, and in

490
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 6: that period there was no there were no judges, there

491
00:27:25,640 --> 00:27:29,240
Speaker 6: were no prisons, there were no police, there was nothing.

492
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Speaker 6: So literally you could urge somebody in the middle of

493
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Speaker 6: town square and nothing would happen to you because there

494
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:39,520
Speaker 6: was no place, there was no one to arrest you.

495
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Speaker 5: Utter lawlessness, and.

496
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Speaker 6: You have to operate or be able to operate successfully

497
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Speaker 6: in that kind of environment. That means being a good

498
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Speaker 6: boy scout. And now what I mean by that is

499
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Speaker 6: I mean being.

500
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Speaker 5: Prepared right and well prepared.

501
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Speaker 6: For the eventualities that you are likely to face if

502
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Speaker 6: you are better prepared than the other guy. The bottom

503
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Speaker 6: line is is that fortune favors those.

504
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Speaker 5: Who are well prepared.

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Speaker 4: Okay, let me just write that down right now.

506
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Speaker 1: Fortune favors that's not new. Well.

507
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And like a buddy of mine, Big Phil, he's

508
00:28:24,080 --> 00:28:26,480
Speaker 3: a former SAS guy, he'd be like rad, A'm all

509
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:27,119
Speaker 3: what he's like.

510
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Speaker 1: Proper planning prevents piss poor performance? You know, seven piece bro?

511
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Speaker 1: So you know true story?

512
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Speaker 3: Okay, So, so your offices were in the same building

513
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Speaker 3: or were you?

514
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Speaker 1: Did you? How did how long? Okay? Two questions?

515
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Speaker 3: What was the delivery mechanism for the the.

516
00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: Bombing that happened? How far? How far did were you

517
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Speaker 1: from it to being on target? As soon as happened?

518
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,240
Speaker 5: A truck was used, a flatbed truck.

519
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:09,560
Speaker 6: The FBI estimated that onboard that truck was perhaps a

520
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 6: ton roughly two thousand pounds of.

521
00:29:12,400 --> 00:29:14,600
Speaker 5: Explosives materials was used.

522
00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:18,080
Speaker 6: So the suicide bomber ran it straight into the building

523
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:22,280
Speaker 6: and initiated, so a ton of explosives went off.

524
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Speaker 5: I was on the backside of the building. My offices

525
00:29:26,200 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 5: were on the.

526
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Speaker 6: Back side of the building perhaps twenty five meters, but

527
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Speaker 6: it was a lot of concrete between me and the explosion,

528
00:29:35,600 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 6: but still took everything out of my office.

529
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Speaker 5: My wife was working in my outer office.

530
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Speaker 6: I had one of the few offices that had internet connectivity.

531
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Speaker 6: She was preparing for a job in Northern Iraq for

532
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Speaker 6: the World Food Program at that time, and unfortunately there

533
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:56,240
Speaker 6: was a glass divider in my office and all that

534
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:57,280
Speaker 6: flying glass.

535
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Speaker 5: The overwhelming majority of the woundings in that event were.

536
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Speaker 6: A consequence of flying glass, which is, yeah, the informing

537
00:30:09,000 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 6: majority of the people who died died as a consequence

538
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Speaker 6: of falling concrete and rebard as the building collected.

539
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, so it was just such a boom and then

540
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:21,480
Speaker 3: the whole place shook.

541
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Speaker 1: Everything blew out of it.

542
00:30:23,320 --> 00:30:26,360
Speaker 3: Everybody got hit by all of every debris and then

543
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:30,360
Speaker 3: the building fell and uh and uh. And so your

544
00:30:30,360 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: book Surviving the United Nations, that's kind of what you're

545
00:30:35,720 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 3: talking about. Yes, you've been a lot of the United Nations,

546
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Speaker 3: but like you know, that is a moment that you

547
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:41,160
Speaker 3: did survive through.

548
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Speaker 5: It was a double end time for really. I had

549
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 5: to survive unity so I could keep on breathing, right too,

550
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 5: I had to save my career.

551
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Speaker 6: I was unjustly accused of incompetence in the in the

552
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Speaker 6: in my duties and responsibilities in.

553
00:31:02,840 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 5: Mag Dad, I was not. I did my job.

554
00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:09,719
Speaker 6: So what I ended up doing when I left Ethiopia

555
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,840
Speaker 6: and returned to New York I ended up getting into

556
00:31:11,840 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 6: a fight, an administrative legal battle with the Secretary General

557
00:31:15,320 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 6: of the UN. I didn't expect to win. But the

558
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 6: fact is is that if there's going to be a fight,

559
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 6: I'll fight it.

560
00:31:27,720 --> 00:31:28,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll see you backing down.

561
00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:31,959
Speaker 4: No, So there was no backing down now.

562
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Speaker 6: So for seven months I fought, and surprisingly one I

563
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 6: won full read statement. I won exoneration for myself and

564
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,680
Speaker 6: my office and those people who work.

565
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 5: With me, complete exoneration.

566
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Speaker 6: But it was obvious the overwhelming majority of the evidence

567
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Speaker 6: that was used by what was later called the Security

568
00:31:56,640 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 6: and Iraq Accountability Panel was from me, my finds, my recommendations. Luckily,

569
00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:09,000
Speaker 6: many of those recommendations had been placed on paper and

570
00:32:09,120 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 6: were a matter of record.

571
00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 5: So with so much evidence.

572
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:18,520
Speaker 6: In my favor, the firing was overturned and I was

573
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 6: able to go back to work. But it was say

574
00:32:22,400 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 6: to go through that event to be unjustly blamed for

575
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,720
Speaker 6: the deaths of those twenty two people and one hundred

576
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:32,400
Speaker 6: and over one hundred and fifty woundings.

577
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,440
Speaker 5: It was extraordinarily difficult.

578
00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,800
Speaker 3: I can only I can only I can only sympathize

579
00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:47,240
Speaker 3: and just say sorry for your loss, sorry for the

580
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,960
Speaker 3: trials and tribulations that get to be put through. But

581
00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 3: someone's gonna mess with your integrity. They're messing with the

582
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:56,959
Speaker 3: wrong bowl because you, in my opinion, have that you know,

583
00:32:57,040 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 3: like I said, be prepared.

584
00:32:58,080 --> 00:32:58,920
Speaker 1: You have that mindset.

585
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:00,960
Speaker 3: You have that I want to go through UDT or

586
00:33:01,000 --> 00:33:03,800
Speaker 3: Special Forces training. You have this mindset of you know,

587
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 3: Dale pressoll Leeb, you know you have this mindset in

588
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 3: my opinion, of don't mess with your mindset.

589
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: And if someone's gonna come in and accuse you of something.

590
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:13,240
Speaker 3: And again I'm not the fact guy here, I'm just

591
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:18,080
Speaker 3: passionately speaking back to you saying I would not want

592
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,320
Speaker 3: to offend you, because you did. You said, I'm not

593
00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,080
Speaker 3: going to back down. It took you seven months to

594
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 3: get exonerated. You're a captain of a team, if you will,

595
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,719
Speaker 3: for like sports quote unquote for your team, and you're like,

596
00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 3: I got this. You guys are going to be exonerated.

597
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 3: Watch me work. You put it through and you got

598
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 3: them exactly where. They believed in you the whole time,

599
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,720
Speaker 3: your team, right, so as a as a coach, or

600
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:44,440
Speaker 3: as a captain or leadership lieutenant colonel or you know, civilian,

601
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:48,479
Speaker 3: as a un envoy leader, you're that captain. They believed

602
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,200
Speaker 3: in you, they went to bat for you, they played

603
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,200
Speaker 3: their positions for you, and you did the right thing

604
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 3: by exonerating that situation. I just want to say, good job,

605
00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,960
Speaker 3: thank you. Yes, yes, you're welcome, and I hope that

606
00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 3: we can let this kind of put that out.

607
00:34:01,480 --> 00:34:02,400
Speaker 1: There on the show.

608
00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,880
Speaker 3: You know that you know, don't mess with the man's

609
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 3: integrity or morals. I'm just going to tell you right, okay,

610
00:34:08,080 --> 00:34:11,160
Speaker 3: now listen. I know green Berets are really dialed in,

611
00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 3: like you know, they can do a lot of different things,

612
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: and he's a trained combat diver as well. But at

613
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:17,360
Speaker 3: the end of the day, you know, some of that

614
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,399
Speaker 3: resume was humanitarian effort that you do.

615
00:34:21,040 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, bro Actually interesting.

616
00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,719
Speaker 6: My soldier career lasted almost twenty six years, and essentially

617
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:34,560
Speaker 6: the key requirement of the soldier is the ability to

618
00:34:34,640 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 6: take someone else's life. Our job is about killing, and

619
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:42,400
Speaker 6: there's no way to make it.

620
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Speaker 1: Printon.

621
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Speaker 6: The job of the United Nations Security Advisor is the

622
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:53,840
Speaker 6: mirror opposite. It's about the preservation of life. Of the two,

623
00:34:54,560 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 6: I have to say that I felt I felt good

624
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 6: about the job that I did because I know that

625
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 6: people are alive today because of the job I did

626
00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:14,800
Speaker 6: in Sierra Leone, in West Africa, in Yema exactly, in Baghdad,

627
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 6: in Iraq and some of the other jobs that I

628
00:35:17,640 --> 00:35:22,560
Speaker 6: did in Palestine. They're alive today because of the job

629
00:35:22,719 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 6: I did. And there's no feeling better that I can imagine.

630
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:36,800
Speaker 6: No medals, no badges, no letters, accommodation or appreciation. Nothing

631
00:35:37,520 --> 00:35:41,239
Speaker 6: matters as much as the knowledge that I have been

632
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,800
Speaker 6: responsible for saving lives.

633
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:45,800
Speaker 5: That's a great feeling.

634
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:49,840
Speaker 1: That's a wonderful feeling. I want you to sign my

635
00:35:49,920 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 1: rookie card. I know I like to make a little

636
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: smile here there about stuff. It's just who I am.

637
00:35:56,800 --> 00:36:02,680
Speaker 3: I think that I believe in that mission, you know,

638
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 3: like do unto others attitude.

639
00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it was a privilege, it really was.

640
00:36:07,640 --> 00:36:09,440
Speaker 6: It was a privilege and it was an honor for

641
00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:11,640
Speaker 6: me to be able to serve in the United Nations

642
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,399
Speaker 6: in that capacity. Despite the fact that I was used

643
00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 6: badly by the leadership of the United Nations.

644
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:20,480
Speaker 4: The fact is this.

645
00:36:20,600 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 5: I feel very proud of my United Nations service.

646
00:36:24,800 --> 00:36:29,640
Speaker 6: I worked in some tough neighborhoods and I survived and

647
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:33,200
Speaker 6: others survived with me, and I'll take that with me

648
00:36:33,719 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 6: to my brave.

649
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: One hundred percent. I'm You're awesome. You're I want to

650
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:42,799
Speaker 1: be on your team.

651
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:44,200
Speaker 3: I just want you to know that if you ever

652
00:36:44,239 --> 00:36:47,879
Speaker 3: need someone that's furry and bearded out of Utah six

653
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:50,919
Speaker 3: foot five, Okay, you just let me know, all right,

654
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,800
Speaker 3: thank you? Yes, And I prepare every day. I box

655
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 3: every day, I go to the gym every morning, so

656
00:36:55,840 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 3: you know, proper planning, right. Yeah, No, you're great, And

657
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 3: I just want to touch base on a piece of

658
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 3: your CV or your resume that I read over. It

659
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 3: says that you were in Palestine and Jordan and that

660
00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:16,239
Speaker 3: you helped set up you know, security details in Palestine

661
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:18,399
Speaker 3: between two thousand and eight and twenty ten.

662
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 1: My hitting that right.

663
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 5: What happened?

664
00:37:20,239 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 6: So I was hired by UNRUN to be their ahead

665
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 6: of security and they made an offer that I could

666
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Speaker 6: hardly refuse.

667
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:35,000
Speaker 5: They said, well, you will have no staff and no budget.

668
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Speaker 5: That's the offer.

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Speaker 6: Okay, we want you to be responsible for institutional security

670
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Speaker 6: in Gaza, West Bank, Lebanon, Syria, and Jordan, and you

671
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:50,279
Speaker 6: have no staff and no budget. And I said, that

672
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 6: sounds like a challenge. So I took the job. I

673
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 6: took the job. I hired staff, I trained staff, and

674
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Speaker 6: I was able to finally convinced the organization to create

675
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Speaker 6: a budget.

676
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 5: For security related matters.

677
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Speaker 6: Unfortunately, I was in a job for less than two

678
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Speaker 6: years before I was selected to be chief of the

679
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Speaker 6: Middle East and North Africa at you and Headquarters in

680
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Speaker 6: New York. I say, well, it became a tough time

681
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Speaker 6: because what happened subsequently was when now colloquially called the

682
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:34,319
Speaker 6: Arab Spring, and the Arab Spring resulted in me and

683
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Speaker 6: my staff having to support sixteen offices in the field,

684
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Speaker 6: but we had to evacuate five different countries over a

685
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Speaker 6: period of six months due to violence in the streets

686
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Speaker 6: of Yemen, Egypt.

687
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:54,400
Speaker 5: Bahrain, Syria.

688
00:38:55,960 --> 00:38:57,960
Speaker 6: It got nasty after a while and we had to

689
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Speaker 6: get some of our staff out of there.

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Speaker 5: It was a tough time.

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Speaker 1: And it really rised up in Egypt. I really really

692
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Speaker 1: like kicked off.

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Speaker 5: Well, what happened was when I was again you and

694
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Speaker 5: headquarters in New York.

695
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,959
Speaker 6: The Security U and DSS didn't have at that time

696
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Speaker 6: a crisis coordination center, so we didn't have a center

697
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Speaker 6: for doing all that.

698
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Speaker 5: So I ended up.

699
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Speaker 6: Conducting a lot of business from my apartment in Manhattan.

700
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Speaker 6: My wife kicked me out of our bed because the

701
00:39:35,560 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 6: phone call started coming in about two o'clock in the

702
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Speaker 6: morning because of.

703
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 4: The time difference, right.

704
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,040
Speaker 6: So I ended up sleeping on the couch for literary

705
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 6: weeks and sometimes I spent a.

706
00:39:47,520 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 5: Lot of time on the couch.

707
00:39:49,239 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, because I had to answer the phone.

708
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Speaker 6: I was chief of the Middle Eastern North Africa. I

709
00:39:54,719 --> 00:39:59,560
Speaker 6: got sixteen regional offices. Things are going bad. They needed

710
00:40:00,239 --> 00:40:02,440
Speaker 6: to get in touch with me, and somebody had to

711
00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 6: pick up the telephone. After two years in that job,

712
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,279
Speaker 6: I was pretty much wrung out, and my boss, at

713
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Speaker 6: my request, made me chief Security Advisor for the country

714
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Speaker 6: of Indonesia.

715
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Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, so your sleep schedule. Let me ask you something.

716
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Speaker 3: Did you really ever get a full night's sleep or

717
00:40:22,400 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 3: were you just always No, you didn't, so it can't

718
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 3: take its tall on you mentally. Yeah, I mean, you know,

719
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,799
Speaker 3: two hours of sleep is at least some type of

720
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Speaker 3: rem sleep, even if you get two hours straight.

721
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Speaker 5: I understand, And it.

722
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Speaker 4: Was just.

723
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Speaker 6: The difference was when you're at headquarters in New York,

724
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Speaker 6: you're making decisions to impact people's lives, as opposed to

725
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:54,640
Speaker 6: being downrange and having people point guns at you. Of

726
00:40:54,680 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 6: the two things, it was easier being down range. It

727
00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 6: really was, because your decisions made in New York directly

728
00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:12,239
Speaker 6: impact a lot more people's lives, and you end up

729
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 6: second guessing yourself more than you can ever imagine. And

730
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 6: every decision, every decision can cost lives or it can

731
00:41:21,520 --> 00:41:23,160
Speaker 6: cost a hell of a lot of money.

732
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Speaker 5: In order for the Amended Nations.

733
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 6: To evacuate a country, it can cost hundreds of thousands

734
00:41:29,080 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 6: of dollars and turn people's lives upside down.

735
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Speaker 5: It is a very very difficult decision to make.

736
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Speaker 3: You've had so many decisions to make, You've had so

737
00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:49,319
Speaker 3: many decisions to make, just so many. You went into

738
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 3: Palestine with no money, with no staff and said I

739
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 3: got this.

740
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Speaker 6: Actually I just said it was a challenge.

741
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:04,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, You're like, I like a challenge, you know, yeah,

742
00:42:04,600 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 3: obviously are you still like staying you know, physically fit

743
00:42:08,560 --> 00:42:11,200
Speaker 3: are you still doing PTE to yourself daily?

744
00:42:11,680 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: Where are you at right now in that regiment you're

745
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: hit in seventy.

746
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 6: I'm seventy three years old, and as you mentioned in

747
00:42:19,960 --> 00:42:24,440
Speaker 6: my resume, in the last few years, I've done consultancies

748
00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 6: in Lebanon, Ukraine and as a vice over the negirl

749
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:35,760
Speaker 6: carab So even in my seventies' managing to stay active

750
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 6: and I like that.

751
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,919
Speaker 5: I like that, I like the feeling of being useful.

752
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 6: And at the same time, I've got physical issues like

753
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:46,520
Speaker 6: every green beret my age.

754
00:42:47,120 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 5: Okay, we've all got bad knees. Both of my shoulders

755
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 5: are titanium, both of.

756
00:42:53,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: Them service related.

757
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:57,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, so about both of my shoulders and me and

758
00:42:57,120 --> 00:42:58,000
Speaker 5: out of titanium.

759
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 6: Every time I go through an airport magnetometer, O take,

760
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 6: I have to be strip SERTs because they're looking for

761
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 6: the metal of me and I'm trying to no, no,

762
00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:09,000
Speaker 6: it's a.

763
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 5: Titanium in my shoulders, Okay.

764
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Speaker 6: And I busted my back in a parachuting accident in

765
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:19,080
Speaker 6: the early nineties and that is giving me more and

766
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 6: more troubles as a age.

767
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 5: However, I work out every single day.

768
00:43:25,640 --> 00:43:28,040
Speaker 6: I'm in the gym, every single day, and when I'm

769
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 6: not in the gym, I'm in the pool doing exercises

770
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,400
Speaker 6: in the pool, and I do a stretching regiment in

771
00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,520
Speaker 6: order to keep my back from taking me down. So

772
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,320
Speaker 6: the bottom mind is I'm still able to walk, talk

773
00:43:42,640 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 6: and communicate.

774
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Speaker 5: I do have the opportunity to speak from time to time.

775
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:54,560
Speaker 6: I've written several articles for a soft rep magazine for

776
00:43:55,200 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 6: the Army Times, from Military Times sort of Marine Corps

777
00:43:58,239 --> 00:44:03,080
Speaker 6: Gazette for parameters, and I think I've been published in

778
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:08,840
Speaker 6: just about every significant military publication in America. So I

779
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,760
Speaker 6: actually took the time to count all the different places

780
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:16,960
Speaker 6: where I published, and there's been over fifty individual publications

781
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:22,800
Speaker 6: that have thought my writing worthy of consideration for print.

782
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Speaker 5: That's another thing I feel very very good about.

783
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Speaker 3: And that is a great segue to talk about again,

784
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Speaker 3: You're surviving the United Nations that you've written, which is available, right,

785
00:44:35,200 --> 00:44:35,839
Speaker 3: you can pick that.

786
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Speaker 5: Up John Barnes and Noble.

787
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Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, you can put my name in any browser

788
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Speaker 6: anywhere and all that.

789
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:48,279
Speaker 5: Stuff comes up, plus it on my website. But the

790
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,320
Speaker 5: bottom line is the book.

791
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Speaker 6: If you're interested, you go to the website and click

792
00:44:55,640 --> 00:45:01,200
Speaker 6: on the reviews that I've gotten from some pretty senior people,

793
00:45:01,680 --> 00:45:06,880
Speaker 6: to include the former Administrator of IRAQ, Paul Bremer, investor

794
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:10,840
Speaker 6: Paul Bremmer, the former Chief staff of the Army Pete

795
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,800
Speaker 6: Schoomaker who's White Boss, and the Joint Special Operations Command

796
00:45:15,239 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 6: Bill Garrison, who's famous for the Blackhawk Down incident. He

797
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:23,280
Speaker 6: was a commanding general for that when we were in Jasark.

798
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Speaker 6: I've gotten some pretty damn good reviews. It seems like

799
00:45:30,440 --> 00:45:34,440
Speaker 6: I achieved what I wanted to achieve and set the

800
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Speaker 6: record straight, but was able to do so without boring

801
00:45:38,560 --> 00:45:44,120
Speaker 6: any So I seem to get high marks for having

802
00:45:44,160 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 6: written a book that's not boring.

803
00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: And if that's the case, that's I'm happy.

804
00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: You should be happy. You should be happy and.

805
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 3: Sad because the book does touch on some sensitive situations

806
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:04,200
Speaker 3: like what happened you know what twenty two years ago? Today,

807
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: today's like the twenty second So today I don't usually

808
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:10,640
Speaker 3: date my episodes. I like a timeless episode. However, it's

809
00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 3: August nineteenth that you and I have gotten together today

810
00:46:14,440 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 3: to talk about this, and so when this goes on

811
00:46:16,920 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 3: it might be a week or two from now. However,

812
00:46:20,560 --> 00:46:24,680
Speaker 3: it doesn't negate the serious anniversary and respect that we

813
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 3: have for.

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00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: Not just them, but for all.

815
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Speaker 3: Of our veterans and service personnel that have gone over

816
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Speaker 3: there or gone anywhere and just paid that ultimate sacrifice.

817
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Speaker 3: And you know, yeah, I'm sorry about your colleagues specifically,

818
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:50,640
Speaker 3: you know, and I didn't want you to be the scapegoat. I,

819
00:46:50,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 3: as an American taxpayer, was like nobody.

820
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:58,960
Speaker 1: That's higher up the chain. Bro, you should look in

821
00:46:59,000 --> 00:47:01,840
Speaker 1: the mirror. Whoever fired you to look in the mirror.

822
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,239
Speaker 5: He's already he's already passed on.

823
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:07,960
Speaker 4: He's already passed Yes, yes, sir.

824
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,719
Speaker 6: But the fact is is that the softwarep again was

825
00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:14,040
Speaker 6: kind enough to publish one of my articles on the

826
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Speaker 6: on the what I call the over two decade United

827
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:24,040
Speaker 6: Nations covering the Security Interact accountability report that was done

828
00:47:24,080 --> 00:47:28,760
Speaker 6: by a committee of well meaning individuals has never seen

829
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:29,480
Speaker 6: the line of day.

830
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 5: It was never released.

831
00:47:31,280 --> 00:47:35,200
Speaker 6: It was considered un confidential by the then Secretary General

832
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Speaker 6: Coffee and none, and to this.

833
00:47:37,440 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 5: Day it has never been released. And in my opinion,

834
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Speaker 5: it must be released.

835
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Speaker 6: The people who lost loved ones that day deserve to

836
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:51,360
Speaker 6: know why their loved ones had to die.

837
00:47:54,239 --> 00:47:54,799
Speaker 4: Yeah.

838
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 3: Amen, yeah, let it let it out, Get it out,

839
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Speaker 3: I mean, I feel like a Hollywood movie is needed,

840
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 3: like something to like just put a spotlight on the situation.

841
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:05,000
Speaker 3: It's like, you know, I'm thinking in my head while

842
00:48:05,000 --> 00:48:07,920
Speaker 3: you're talking like storyboarding it, I'm like, Okay, I need

843
00:48:07,960 --> 00:48:11,319
Speaker 3: a building, I need a wide shot, I need a

844
00:48:11,480 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 3: flatbed truck.

845
00:48:12,560 --> 00:48:13,479
Speaker 1: I'm like thinking, how.

846
00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:15,400
Speaker 3: Do you how do you bring this, you know, to

847
00:48:15,480 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 3: let the masses understand the situation so that the spotlight

848
00:48:18,280 --> 00:48:18,600
Speaker 3: is on.

849
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Speaker 1: Just saying.

850
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:26,960
Speaker 7: Yes, anything anything that brings pressure on the United Nations right,

851
00:48:27,440 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 7: my articles, my podcast, this podcast, and anything that brings

852
00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 7: the truth to people can potentially act or provide pressure

853
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:43,879
Speaker 7: on the Secretary General of the United Nations, who with

854
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 7: with his pen signature can release the security your Act

855
00:48:48,080 --> 00:48:52,520
Speaker 7: and Accountability Panel report to public and should.

856
00:48:52,160 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 6: Be the invented Nations is supposed to be transparent.

857
00:48:56,760 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 1: I was just going to say transparency. I thought we

858
00:48:58,680 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: all talk about it.

859
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:04,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, we're not and.

860
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:07,600
Speaker 6: Alls it takes as the segnature of the Sector General

861
00:49:07,640 --> 00:49:11,440
Speaker 6: the United Nations to reduce set or to make that

862
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:15,360
Speaker 6: pub sure, I'd like to see.

863
00:49:15,200 --> 00:49:17,279
Speaker 1: You and why why not? Why not just make it put?

864
00:49:17,440 --> 00:49:18,319
Speaker 1: What do we what? What?

865
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Speaker 3: What is there to hide? I think there's hide if

866
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:28,040
Speaker 3: there's something so tragic and we can say that, if

867
00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:29,839
Speaker 3: it is so tragic, then just let us read about

868
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 3: it and we'll see. Well, you know it'll be out there.

869
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 3: But if it's yeah, one hundred percent agreed, you know,

870
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Speaker 3: release release it, release the documents.

871
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Speaker 1: I believe.

872
00:49:40,160 --> 00:49:42,279
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no, we have listeners at the We have

873
00:49:42,400 --> 00:49:44,960
Speaker 3: listeners all over the world that hit me up an

874
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 3: email from I.

875
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Speaker 1: Want to be on your show, RAB but I'm still working.

876
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,440
Speaker 1: You know, things like that, and I just want to say,

877
00:49:50,480 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: keep going.

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Speaker 3: Keep doing what you're doing. Yeah, they can't talk about things,

879
00:49:53,200 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 3: but they're listening. So you know, if a little seed

880
00:49:56,960 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 3: can be planted, and you know, you guys could take

881
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,680
Speaker 3: a look at those fire and just signed that little signature.

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Speaker 6: Interestingly, interestingly, when when I published, when you published the book,

883
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Speaker 6: every un staff, when you publish a book, you're supposed

884
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Speaker 6: to send it to.

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Speaker 5: The Secretary General of the Imaginations for clearance.

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00:50:14,880 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: I not.

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Speaker 5: I did not.

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00:50:18,280 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 6: I published my book. And the reason why I didn't

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00:50:21,600 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 6: send the Secretary General for clearance is because of course

890
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Speaker 6: there's no way in help the Secretary General would have

891
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Speaker 6: cleared the book. Now after the book was published, I

892
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 6: received a letter signed by a high un affection threatening

893
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Speaker 6: me with the possibility of legal action.

894
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Speaker 5: My response was, please please please take me to court.

895
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Speaker 6: I want to go to court because I have all

896
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Speaker 6: kinds of evidence in my possession, and if you walk

897
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 6: into a courtroom with me, you're going to have.

898
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Speaker 5: To tell the truth.

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Speaker 4: You're going to ask that's right, You're going to have

900
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Speaker 4: to come up.

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Speaker 6: With something and explain your actions or the actions of

902
00:51:08,160 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 6: senior people or lap better at a time when it

903
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:18,080
Speaker 6: was critically important. Now I never heard from them again,

904
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:21,839
Speaker 6: and they never sent me do the threatening letter. And

905
00:51:22,400 --> 00:51:25,680
Speaker 6: the first book was published five years ago, so now

906
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:29,239
Speaker 6: it's been out for about six years. I never heard

907
00:51:29,280 --> 00:51:31,840
Speaker 6: of back from it. And I suspect they do not

908
00:51:31,960 --> 00:51:33,319
Speaker 6: want to meet me in court.

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00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:36,320
Speaker 1: No, because you know, they'd have to be deposed.

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00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,840
Speaker 3: There'd have to be you know, evidence turned over in

911
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: like files and stuff. It's kind of funny how people

912
00:51:42,960 --> 00:51:45,200
Speaker 3: are willing to threaten lawsuits on people, but yet they're

913
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:46,960
Speaker 3: not willing to follow through with it.

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Speaker 5: They don't want to meet me in court. They do

915
00:51:50,560 --> 00:51:54,120
Speaker 5: know I've got all the evidence, and I would look,

916
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,080
Speaker 5: I would love to bring it all the light.

917
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Speaker 6: So if anybody out there is listening have a YouTube,

918
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,640
Speaker 6: so please feel free to take me to corp.

919
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Speaker 3: There you have it, Robert Adolph right there.

920
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Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, you're welcome. You know.

921
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Speaker 3: I can't believe we've been talking for an hour, you know.

922
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Speaker 3: And to my listener, my listener, thank you so much.

923
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Speaker 3: If you've listened to the whole show, and if you've

924
00:52:21,440 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 3: tuned in for your first time and you've just caught

925
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:28,800
Speaker 3: us talking, welcome to Soft Rep Radio. Right, what a

926
00:52:28,840 --> 00:52:33,000
Speaker 3: great guest, Robert, You're a welcome edition. I'm so happy

927
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:35,680
Speaker 3: that guy. You guys talk to you and guy at

928
00:52:35,719 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 3: soft reap our editor, he's like, yo, rad you got

929
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 3: to talk to Robert man. I think he's someone that

930
00:52:40,360 --> 00:52:42,480
Speaker 3: you guys will just go back and forth with. And

931
00:52:42,560 --> 00:52:45,719
Speaker 3: I was like, let's go right away, and we kicked off. Dude,

932
00:52:45,719 --> 00:52:48,000
Speaker 3: you were like, let's go. I was like this time

933
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:51,000
Speaker 3: and day You're like, I'm in Rome. I was like, where, okay,

934
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:56,799
Speaker 3: what time is that? Have Mountain Standard and I would

935
00:52:56,920 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 3: like to just extend, you know, the formal limitation. Come

936
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:04,439
Speaker 3: back on the show and talk further about anything else

937
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:07,359
Speaker 3: that's on your mind, you know, and if there's any

938
00:53:07,560 --> 00:53:09,920
Speaker 3: new book or you know you are working on another book,

939
00:53:09,960 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 3: et cetera. You're just welcome. You've got so many stories.

940
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: First of all, thank you for your service to this

941
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Speaker 3: country and to the nation. I really from me to

942
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Speaker 3: you appreciate.

943
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:26,000
Speaker 1: That, and I think I just want to say that,

944
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Speaker 1: thank you very much.

945
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Speaker 6: Thank you for the invitation to appear in your show.

946
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 6: I'd love to come back almost any time. Yes, no,

947
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:39,800
Speaker 6: this is enjoyable. I enjoyed the opportunity. I enjoyed the

948
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:46,440
Speaker 6: opportunity to speak to you. And if you're interested, I

949
00:53:46,560 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 6: write about those things that interest me. And if you

950
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 6: look at the things that have appeared recently in software,

951
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 6: then I think now guy has been publishing something in

952
00:53:57,800 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 6: mind just about every week. If there's a topic there

953
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:06,840
Speaker 6: that interests you or you think might interest your viewers,

954
00:54:07,480 --> 00:54:08,680
Speaker 6: give me send me a bush.

955
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Speaker 5: Okay. I'm happy to talk about any of the.

956
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Speaker 1: Submage one hundred percent.

957
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:16,960
Speaker 3: It's that easy. We are now connected. I got your

958
00:54:17,000 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 3: email and we'll just it's just like family. Okay, it's

959
00:54:22,040 --> 00:54:25,560
Speaker 3: like olive garden. Huh, you're here. Okay, you're family. All right,

960
00:54:25,640 --> 00:54:26,479
Speaker 3: you're a soft rep.

961
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Speaker 1: You're here. Okay, I think you're great.

962
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,200
Speaker 3: I just so I just want to let my guests

963
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:36,760
Speaker 3: know something we just met today and I'm almost willing

964
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:37,480
Speaker 3: to say I love you.

965
00:54:37,960 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 5: Okay, look, I won't mention that to my wife.

966
00:54:42,680 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 3: Yes, no, And I just want to say happy anniversary

967
00:54:45,360 --> 00:54:49,279
Speaker 3: on your twenty five years okay together? And uh yeah,

968
00:54:49,360 --> 00:54:51,359
Speaker 3: you just keep being you and you just keep doing you,

969
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:53,440
Speaker 3: and you just keep at it and uh and thanks

970
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,480
Speaker 3: for being I always like to get better from my guests,

971
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:58,200
Speaker 3: and you have just made me a better person.

972
00:54:58,480 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 5: Thank you so much for your time.

973
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 3: So thank you so much. You're very welcome, and to

974
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Speaker 3: my listener, thank you for listening. If you have a comment,

975
00:55:06,280 --> 00:55:08,360
Speaker 3: go ahead and comment down below. If you want to

976
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Speaker 3: go check out I believe it's Robert Bruceadolf dot com.

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Speaker 3: Is that right, Robert Bruceadoff dot com.

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Speaker 1: Go check that out.

979
00:55:16,200 --> 00:55:18,560
Speaker 3: He's got all of his information there. You can read

980
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:21,200
Speaker 3: about Robert, get to know him a little more. Check

981
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Speaker 3: out his book, which is Surviving the United Nations. It's

982
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 3: out everywhere, and when you buy the book, when you

983
00:55:28,080 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 3: download it, get it on your kindle or wherever on Amazon,

984
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Speaker 3: leave a review.

985
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Speaker 1: All right, the bouthors really do.

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Speaker 3: Yeah right, See he just went like, oh, yeah, Rad, Yes,

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Speaker 3: yes the review.

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Speaker 1: I'm supposed to say that, but you said it.

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Speaker 3: For me, Bro, So leave a comment down below on

990
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Speaker 3: them Okay, and even on softwap if you read one

991
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Speaker 3: of his articles, just say hey, Bob, cool insight.

992
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Speaker 1: Bro.

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Speaker 3: Thanks a lot. It means a lot to hear that feedback.

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00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:56,279
Speaker 3: So again it does. On behalf of Brandon Webb, who

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Speaker 3: runs softwap dot com. On behalf of my producer Callum,

996
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Speaker 3: who sits in the back and make sure that everything

997
00:56:01,080 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 3: gets put together and makes it all look great. Uh

998
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,880
Speaker 3: and uh and Guy our editor uh in chief at

999
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Speaker 3: software dot com for recommending such a personable talent and

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Speaker 3: a and a green beret at that flattered honored The

1001
00:56:14,719 --> 00:56:20,600
Speaker 3: sky is blue because your shirt is blue and that's why.

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Speaker 1: Okay, and and on behalf of rad saying peace.

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Speaker 2: You've been listening to self red Radio