1 00:00:15,476 --> 00:00:21,676 Speaker 1: Pushkin. Earlier this year, I was asked if I'd go 2 00:00:21,756 --> 00:00:24,116 Speaker 1: to Brooklyn to interview Daniel Lanois in front of an 3 00:00:24,156 --> 00:00:28,036 Speaker 1: intimate audience at on AirFest, And although my nerves don't 4 00:00:28,156 --> 00:00:31,036 Speaker 1: love any form of public speaking, the answer was an 5 00:00:31,196 --> 00:00:35,836 Speaker 1: unequivocal yes. Landa was made some of my favorite albums, 6 00:00:35,956 --> 00:00:39,156 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan's Time out of Mind, the Neville Brothers Yellow Moon, 7 00:00:39,316 --> 00:00:44,076 Speaker 1: and Neil Young's underappreciated twenty ten album Lenoise. Then, of 8 00:00:44,116 --> 00:00:47,236 Speaker 1: course there's albums he made with You Two with Brian Eno, 9 00:00:47,356 --> 00:00:50,996 Speaker 1: with Willie Nelson, the record with DeAngelo. There's just so much. 10 00:00:51,876 --> 00:00:54,276 Speaker 1: We talk about many of these collaborations. During the course 11 00:00:54,316 --> 00:00:57,316 Speaker 1: of our conversation. We also talk about some of Landoi's 12 00:00:57,356 --> 00:01:00,596 Speaker 1: solo works that are just as beautiful, and in front 13 00:01:00,596 --> 00:01:04,796 Speaker 1: of an audience featuring Prince guitarist Donna Grantis, Laraji and 14 00:01:04,996 --> 00:01:08,076 Speaker 1: Laurie Anderson, land Wha plays us some music on his 15 00:01:08,236 --> 00:01:14,556 Speaker 1: very first instrument, it the Petal Steal. This is broken record, 16 00:01:14,996 --> 00:01:24,916 Speaker 1: real musicians, real conversations. Here's my conversation with Daniel Lanois, 17 00:01:25,276 --> 00:01:26,876 Speaker 1: and if you'd like to watch, you can view this 18 00:01:26,996 --> 00:01:31,396 Speaker 1: conversation at YouTube dot com. Slash Broken Record Podcast. 19 00:01:32,436 --> 00:01:43,956 Speaker 2: Ladies and gentlemen and everyone else, Daniel Lannois and Justin Richmond. 20 00:01:44,076 --> 00:01:44,876 Speaker 3: Oh where you go? 21 00:01:52,036 --> 00:01:52,436 Speaker 1: Perfect? 22 00:01:52,436 --> 00:01:55,156 Speaker 4: Would you just check and see if it's on? 23 00:01:55,276 --> 00:01:57,916 Speaker 1: But it's not, maybe you can. Let's just start things 24 00:01:57,956 --> 00:02:01,556 Speaker 1: off with like an invocation from from you. We want 25 00:02:01,556 --> 00:02:03,356 Speaker 1: to do you want to play something? Just to start 26 00:02:03,396 --> 00:02:03,716 Speaker 1: us off? 27 00:02:40,476 --> 00:07:54,156 Speaker 5: Cashhock an up copy copy. 28 00:09:05,316 --> 00:09:07,716 Speaker 4: As usual. I played it better at sound check, but 29 00:09:08,716 --> 00:09:10,116 Speaker 4: it is no risk. Is brats here? 30 00:09:11,436 --> 00:09:14,156 Speaker 3: Nice to see you, buddy, Kah. 31 00:09:16,236 --> 00:09:18,596 Speaker 1: That was that was beautiful, Thank you, thank you. 32 00:09:18,716 --> 00:09:20,636 Speaker 4: I got there a couple of spots, and once I 33 00:09:20,756 --> 00:09:23,116 Speaker 4: slowed down, started breathing a little better, it got. 34 00:09:26,196 --> 00:09:31,876 Speaker 1: What what is what's the history of your relationship with 35 00:09:32,076 --> 00:09:32,956 Speaker 1: with the pedal steel? 36 00:09:33,876 --> 00:09:37,796 Speaker 4: Uh? Well, for me, uh, I started on a penny 37 00:09:37,836 --> 00:09:42,876 Speaker 4: whistle when I was nine, and I really enjoyed that. 38 00:09:42,996 --> 00:09:45,436 Speaker 4: I was just a one dollar penny whistle. And what's 39 00:09:45,516 --> 00:09:47,996 Speaker 4: nice about the penny whistle You can only play one 40 00:09:48,076 --> 00:09:52,516 Speaker 4: note at a time. So I started developing my sense 41 00:09:52,556 --> 00:09:56,516 Speaker 4: of melody quite early on. And then I found a 42 00:09:56,556 --> 00:10:01,076 Speaker 4: way of keeping track of my melodies my inventing a 43 00:10:01,116 --> 00:10:03,596 Speaker 4: little notation system. You know, the high notes up here, 44 00:10:03,636 --> 00:10:06,596 Speaker 4: the notes over down here because I didn't know how 45 00:10:06,636 --> 00:10:11,596 Speaker 4: to read music or anything. And and then, as the 46 00:10:11,676 --> 00:10:14,996 Speaker 4: story goes, this wasn't in a time of door to 47 00:10:15,076 --> 00:10:18,196 Speaker 4: door canvassing. So the man knocked at my mother's door 48 00:10:18,276 --> 00:10:20,036 Speaker 4: and he said, you got any kids that like music? 49 00:10:21,356 --> 00:10:23,596 Speaker 4: She didn't call me one mon, Yeah, she said at 50 00:10:23,676 --> 00:10:23,996 Speaker 4: this guy. 51 00:10:24,116 --> 00:10:24,836 Speaker 3: He likes music. 52 00:10:24,916 --> 00:10:27,556 Speaker 4: He plays a penny whistle. And so that was the 53 00:10:27,636 --> 00:10:32,116 Speaker 4: beginning of my music career. He said, well, we teach 54 00:10:32,156 --> 00:10:35,596 Speaker 4: accordion and slide. Which one would you like? So I said, okay, 55 00:10:35,716 --> 00:10:37,556 Speaker 4: let's go for the slide. So it's been with me 56 00:10:37,676 --> 00:10:42,196 Speaker 4: since I was about ten or eleven, not this exactly, 57 00:10:42,596 --> 00:10:46,316 Speaker 4: not this exact guitar, but the slide guitar. 58 00:10:46,956 --> 00:10:53,996 Speaker 1: As a yes, what when you first started playing? What 59 00:10:54,156 --> 00:10:56,916 Speaker 1: were the sorts of things you were? What sounds were 60 00:10:56,956 --> 00:10:57,796 Speaker 1: you drawn to from it? 61 00:10:59,876 --> 00:11:02,796 Speaker 4: We carried on with melody because I studied with a 62 00:11:02,916 --> 00:11:06,796 Speaker 4: teacher who did the strumming of the chords, and I 63 00:11:07,636 --> 00:11:11,316 Speaker 4: then played the maladies and I played things like a 64 00:11:11,396 --> 00:11:14,716 Speaker 4: Red River Valley, you know, please come back to the 65 00:11:15,036 --> 00:11:20,196 Speaker 4: Red River Valley again. Just stayed with melody, and then 66 00:11:21,116 --> 00:11:23,436 Speaker 4: I fell in love with melody and it never left me. 67 00:11:23,756 --> 00:11:24,116 Speaker 1: And so. 68 00:11:26,556 --> 00:11:29,956 Speaker 4: I used to play guitar in a band in Toronto, 69 00:11:32,116 --> 00:11:36,356 Speaker 4: a club called the Brown Derby, and around the corner 70 00:11:36,596 --> 00:11:39,556 Speaker 4: was the cock Door and they had blues musicians in there, 71 00:11:40,036 --> 00:11:43,556 Speaker 4: and then the Edison had country musicians. So I used 72 00:11:43,556 --> 00:11:46,756 Speaker 4: to between my sets, I go to hear what those 73 00:11:46,796 --> 00:11:49,436 Speaker 4: guys were up to. And I met a fellow by 74 00:11:49,476 --> 00:11:52,516 Speaker 4: the name of Bob Lucier, also a frenchie like me, 75 00:11:53,276 --> 00:11:56,356 Speaker 4: and he became my teacher. And that's it. He got 76 00:11:56,436 --> 00:11:57,356 Speaker 4: me that guitar. 77 00:12:00,116 --> 00:12:07,396 Speaker 1: You're known. I think one of the things that people 78 00:12:07,476 --> 00:12:09,436 Speaker 1: talk about a lot when they talk about Daniel Law 79 00:12:09,676 --> 00:12:12,116 Speaker 1: is the texture and the sounds and the tones you 80 00:12:12,236 --> 00:12:18,036 Speaker 1: achieve in the studio. Often left out is your wonderful 81 00:12:18,076 --> 00:12:21,196 Speaker 1: sense of melody and what you bring to that in 82 00:12:21,236 --> 00:12:23,116 Speaker 1: your own work. And I'm sure you know your work 83 00:12:23,156 --> 00:12:25,956 Speaker 1: when you work with other artists as well. But I 84 00:12:26,076 --> 00:12:29,076 Speaker 1: noticed when we were in sound check and we were 85 00:12:29,116 --> 00:12:34,196 Speaker 1: listening to something, immediately you got to tap in your foot. 86 00:12:34,716 --> 00:12:37,596 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah. I taped the heel because I can't 87 00:12:37,636 --> 00:12:40,476 Speaker 4: talk with a toe on that. I'll show you in 88 00:12:40,516 --> 00:12:40,876 Speaker 4: a minute. 89 00:12:41,516 --> 00:12:44,276 Speaker 1: I think Miles Davis tap of this heel too. It 90 00:12:44,676 --> 00:12:49,196 Speaker 1: was supposed to be cooler, but I taped myself. I'm 91 00:12:49,236 --> 00:12:54,316 Speaker 1: not that cool, but I was really pleased to see 92 00:12:54,356 --> 00:12:58,276 Speaker 1: that because one of the very underappreciated elements I feel 93 00:12:58,316 --> 00:13:03,876 Speaker 1: like of your work is your sense of rhythm. Everyone 94 00:13:03,996 --> 00:13:06,356 Speaker 1: has a unique rhythm, I think, probably whether they play 95 00:13:06,436 --> 00:13:09,636 Speaker 1: music or not. Some of the great artists, if you wonder, 96 00:13:11,916 --> 00:13:14,556 Speaker 1: just because I just said wonder, now, Michael Jackson stopped 97 00:13:14,556 --> 00:13:17,276 Speaker 1: in my head. Those two people, very different people have 98 00:13:17,396 --> 00:13:21,036 Speaker 1: their own very unique sense of rhythm, Okay, that it 99 00:13:21,076 --> 00:13:23,716 Speaker 1: gets expressed to their work, and all of your stuff 100 00:13:23,956 --> 00:13:27,116 Speaker 1: really does. Also. It seems to really have this really 101 00:13:27,316 --> 00:13:32,956 Speaker 1: unique but deeply soulful rhythm under what is your. 102 00:13:34,556 --> 00:13:37,156 Speaker 4: Well, that's a nice compliment, thank you, and all that. 103 00:13:37,756 --> 00:13:40,516 Speaker 4: We all hope to have that as part of our 104 00:13:40,596 --> 00:13:45,876 Speaker 4: paint box as musicians, you know, but it's always been 105 00:13:45,956 --> 00:13:49,556 Speaker 4: that for me, you know, like that the piece I 106 00:13:49,716 --> 00:13:52,396 Speaker 4: just played, you know, it's a six' eight and it 107 00:13:52,556 --> 00:13:56,036 Speaker 4: reminds me of the Will dance Hall field THAT i 108 00:13:56,156 --> 00:13:58,236 Speaker 4: remember as a, kid you, know cheek the, cheek the 109 00:13:58,396 --> 00:14:04,876 Speaker 4: nigga digga sleepwalk and all that. Stuff AND i never 110 00:14:05,036 --> 00:14:08,076 Speaker 4: forgot those the nights those you, know MAYBE i have 111 00:14:08,156 --> 00:14:10,876 Speaker 4: a sweaty sweaty and you're holding her girl's, hand then 112 00:14:10,916 --> 00:14:13,076 Speaker 4: you might ask her to dance and all. That it's 113 00:14:13,236 --> 00:14:17,516 Speaker 4: very very kind of innocent times of attraction and, uh 114 00:14:17,836 --> 00:14:19,756 Speaker 4: and it had a pulse to, it you, KNOW i 115 00:14:19,876 --> 00:14:22,716 Speaker 4: have a romance pulse to. It and a lot of 116 00:14:22,796 --> 00:14:25,796 Speaker 4: the doop of that era had a similar. 117 00:14:25,436 --> 00:14:29,796 Speaker 3: Boom boo boom, boo bah boo, boom. 118 00:14:29,716 --> 00:14:31,956 Speaker 4: You know that kind Of it's got a little love 119 00:14:32,036 --> 00:14:32,916 Speaker 4: making in it all the. 120 00:14:32,996 --> 00:14:37,236 Speaker 1: Time so that's the secret sorhythm. 121 00:14:36,876 --> 00:14:44,876 Speaker 4: Is, yes, Exactly, donna would you? Agree, Yes donna came 122 00:14:44,916 --> 00:14:47,316 Speaker 4: all the way down From toronto with her. Entourage. There 123 00:14:47,396 --> 00:14:51,316 Speaker 4: who's that good looking guy With oh It's, trevor her. Husband. 124 00:14:53,276 --> 00:14:58,076 Speaker 4: Uh But donna AND i are doing some work together right, 125 00:14:58,116 --> 00:14:59,636 Speaker 4: now SO i get to roaster a little. 126 00:14:59,636 --> 00:15:08,156 Speaker 1: Bit it's, Acceptable it's acceptable with the story the as 127 00:15:09,396 --> 00:15:15,316 Speaker 1: as is when you worked with you, too that was With, 128 00:15:16,036 --> 00:15:20,716 Speaker 1: brian you. Know is it true, that As i've Heard 129 00:15:20,756 --> 00:15:25,516 Speaker 1: bono tell, it you And Larry Mullen. Jr were the 130 00:15:25,596 --> 00:15:28,356 Speaker 1: first to sort of form a special kind of relationship 131 00:15:28,556 --> 00:15:32,036 Speaker 1: WHICH i feel like maybe also as illustrative of your 132 00:15:32,156 --> 00:15:35,036 Speaker 1: of your your your your sense of rhythm and maybe 133 00:15:35,156 --> 00:15:36,396 Speaker 1: the fact that you're you're drawn to. 134 00:15:36,516 --> 00:15:42,916 Speaker 4: It but, WELL i did recognize a special talent That 135 00:15:43,036 --> 00:15:44,916 Speaker 4: larry had drummer for you. 136 00:15:45,036 --> 00:15:45,836 Speaker 3: Too, larry. 137 00:15:47,676 --> 00:15:50,956 Speaker 4: He had developed this wild action on the high. Hat 138 00:15:51,236 --> 00:15:55,316 Speaker 4: he was a great high hat, player AND i, thought, 139 00:15:55,356 --> 00:16:00,836 Speaker 4: well maybe he could apply that high hat technique onto another. 140 00:16:00,956 --> 00:16:05,276 Speaker 4: Drum SO i brought a timballium for him and worked 141 00:16:05,276 --> 00:16:07,876 Speaker 4: out some new patterns within the. Skills and he was 142 00:16:07,956 --> 00:16:11,356 Speaker 4: already excellent at and he already appreciated that we were 143 00:16:11,396 --> 00:16:13,756 Speaker 4: able to expand on what he was already good at 144 00:16:13,876 --> 00:16:15,196 Speaker 4: into another dimension of. 145 00:16:15,716 --> 00:16:24,596 Speaker 1: Expression so you had did did? Did Did timbalis that 146 00:16:24,636 --> 00:16:26,036 Speaker 1: actually make it to the record or was that. 147 00:16:26,156 --> 00:16:28,516 Speaker 4: Just, yeah, yeah there's A i think there's a song 148 00:16:28,596 --> 00:16:34,876 Speaker 4: Called Unforgettable fire that has has that bad by Don't, 149 00:16:35,036 --> 00:16:38,876 Speaker 4: Boone Don't, Boom don't don't bona the get the, boone don't. 150 00:16:39,036 --> 00:16:41,196 Speaker 4: Bone SO i just had him to play the high hand, 151 00:16:41,236 --> 00:16:45,716 Speaker 4: part but move from the high hat to the to THEM, timbali, 152 00:16:45,796 --> 00:16:47,156 Speaker 4: YEAH i got on the. Album what. 153 00:16:49,476 --> 00:16:53,356 Speaker 1: Had you did you often use timbalas in your work before? 154 00:16:53,396 --> 00:16:54,996 Speaker 1: That or was it was that really just something you 155 00:16:55,156 --> 00:16:57,276 Speaker 1: had heard in his playing THAT i. 156 00:16:57,356 --> 00:16:59,196 Speaker 4: Just heard in his? PLAYING i mean it's what we 157 00:16:59,356 --> 00:17:02,516 Speaker 4: do in, studios you, know we look for people's uh 158 00:17:02,596 --> 00:17:06,396 Speaker 4: special gifts and moments of. Expression you, know maybe we 159 00:17:06,516 --> 00:17:09,156 Speaker 4: hit on something that belongs to someone rather than and 160 00:17:10,916 --> 00:17:13,156 Speaker 4: discarded OR i think it's not part of the. Recipe 161 00:17:13,276 --> 00:17:18,556 Speaker 4: we welcome a fresh. Ingredient it's always the. Case we're 162 00:17:18,596 --> 00:17:26,116 Speaker 4: only ever mining from, magic and magic will come in surprising, 163 00:17:26,196 --> 00:17:29,396 Speaker 4: ways you, know in the. Studio and we're lucky because 164 00:17:30,316 --> 00:17:32,956 Speaker 4: architects don't get to have this kind of. Flexibility you, 165 00:17:33,036 --> 00:17:35,836 Speaker 4: know a bridge gets designed or a beautiful building like, 166 00:17:35,916 --> 00:17:37,996 Speaker 4: this and you've got to stick with the. Plan but 167 00:17:38,156 --> 00:17:42,676 Speaker 4: we in the, studio we could, say, well there's something 168 00:17:42,836 --> 00:17:45,676 Speaker 4: very special, here so let's abandon the plan that we 169 00:17:45,876 --> 00:17:48,436 Speaker 4: had and put our effort into. THIS i just went 170 00:17:48,516 --> 00:17:50,716 Speaker 4: through this With. Donna you. Know she had a demo 171 00:17:50,796 --> 00:17:53,836 Speaker 4: of something from home THAT i thought had a little 172 00:17:53,876 --> 00:17:55,716 Speaker 4: something to it that we didn't quite capture in the, 173 00:17:55,796 --> 00:17:57,756 Speaker 4: studio AND i, said he we'll bring that in and 174 00:17:57,916 --> 00:17:59,596 Speaker 4: let me have a go at what you started at. 175 00:17:59,636 --> 00:18:04,796 Speaker 4: Home And i'm pretty. Good it's all fixed electro, timing 176 00:18:05,036 --> 00:18:07,476 Speaker 4: And i'm good at, that SO i can just take 177 00:18:07,556 --> 00:18:11,436 Speaker 4: What donna's started and surprise hear with the whole orchestra 178 00:18:11,676 --> 00:18:16,956 Speaker 4: stuff that she can't imagine just. Yet all, right that'll 179 00:18:16,956 --> 00:18:18,196 Speaker 4: be enough, now DON i don't want. 180 00:18:18,116 --> 00:18:18,196 Speaker 6: To. 181 00:18:21,636 --> 00:18:21,836 Speaker 4: But you. 182 00:18:21,956 --> 00:18:25,596 Speaker 1: Do you, said there's magic comes in all sorts of 183 00:18:25,636 --> 00:18:29,556 Speaker 1: surprising ways in the studio and often unplanned on ways 184 00:18:29,716 --> 00:18:33,276 Speaker 1: you're unprepared. For but you do prepare still on at 185 00:18:33,316 --> 00:18:35,636 Speaker 1: the beginning of projects for. Something. 186 00:18:36,196 --> 00:18:39,756 Speaker 4: Oh, absolutely preparation for sound is a very big thing for. 187 00:18:39,916 --> 00:18:44,516 Speaker 4: ME i Referenced Neil. Young WHEN i worked With, NEIL 188 00:18:44,556 --> 00:18:48,476 Speaker 4: i spent a good few weeks preparing, sounds guitar sounds 189 00:18:48,556 --> 00:18:51,556 Speaker 4: Before neil got. There AND i have a nice collection 190 00:18:51,676 --> 00:18:53,996 Speaker 4: of old, amps And neil loves as, well and SO 191 00:18:54,116 --> 00:18:57,636 Speaker 4: i pulled out all my best stuff and built some 192 00:18:57,836 --> 00:19:02,916 Speaker 4: sounds and introduced a what they call a sub harmonic. 193 00:19:02,996 --> 00:19:06,516 Speaker 4: Synthesizer it's just a device made BY, dbx and it 194 00:19:07,556 --> 00:19:10,516 Speaker 4: allows an octave below would come through from the guitar 195 00:19:10,676 --> 00:19:13,356 Speaker 4: from se on. Down and so he really got hooked 196 00:19:13,396 --> 00:19:16,516 Speaker 4: on and he, said, whoa this is. Fantastic and then 197 00:19:16,596 --> 00:19:20,476 Speaker 4: whatever notes the guitar wouldn't quite tracked that, WAY i. 198 00:19:20,796 --> 00:19:23,756 Speaker 4: Reinforce After neil would go, Home i'd get in there 199 00:19:23,796 --> 00:19:27,516 Speaker 4: and put in My taurus pedals and just whatever notes 200 00:19:27,556 --> 00:19:30,556 Speaker 4: were not quite, SPEAKING i would just do an overdub 201 00:19:31,076 --> 00:19:34,796 Speaker 4: of Mog taurus. Pedals and BUT i didn't Tell. Neil 202 00:19:36,316 --> 00:19:36,716 Speaker 4: it was All. 203 00:19:36,836 --> 00:19:40,396 Speaker 1: NEIL i hope he knows about. Now that's not WHAT 204 00:19:40,516 --> 00:19:41,796 Speaker 1: i don't want him to find out. 205 00:19:41,836 --> 00:19:44,236 Speaker 4: Here now he, knows he, knows he KNOWS i can 206 00:19:44,316 --> 00:19:45,156 Speaker 4: mess with him a little. 207 00:19:45,196 --> 00:19:47,356 Speaker 1: Bit did you did you? That? Love that is The 208 00:19:48,316 --> 00:19:53,396 Speaker 1: neil is held an adventurous, artist and that is a 209 00:19:53,556 --> 00:19:57,156 Speaker 1: really adventurous. Record did you Know neil before? 210 00:19:57,236 --> 00:20:04,756 Speaker 4: That, Yes i've Known neil since uh? That, uh, Yeah 211 00:20:04,956 --> 00:20:06,556 Speaker 4: i've known him since the late. 212 00:20:06,596 --> 00:20:12,316 Speaker 1: Eighties, Okay and had you discussed working together Before? 213 00:20:12,396 --> 00:20:12,756 Speaker 7: Lenois? 214 00:20:12,876 --> 00:20:12,916 Speaker 1: No. 215 00:20:13,236 --> 00:20:17,516 Speaker 4: NO i saw him In england WHEN i was music 216 00:20:17,596 --> 00:20:20,756 Speaker 4: director for the release Of Nelson mandela and there was 217 00:20:20,796 --> 00:20:24,316 Speaker 4: a big festival and big show was put on AND 218 00:20:24,436 --> 00:20:26,436 Speaker 4: i was a music director for a portion of, it 219 00:20:26,556 --> 00:20:29,196 Speaker 4: And neil turned up for that and we had a 220 00:20:29,276 --> 00:20:32,756 Speaker 4: nice long conversation AND i asked him if he Missed, 221 00:20:32,796 --> 00:20:37,396 Speaker 4: canada and he, said of course he. Does you, know 222 00:20:37,996 --> 00:20:42,036 Speaker 4: but life sometimes just takes its own chorus and you 223 00:20:42,196 --> 00:20:49,236 Speaker 4: follow that that. Path but he he understood that we 224 00:20:49,516 --> 00:20:51,876 Speaker 4: were we were both operating by devoted. 225 00:20:51,916 --> 00:20:55,636 Speaker 3: Hearts it's a big. 226 00:20:55,716 --> 00:20:57,236 Speaker 4: Part devoted. Heart it's a big. 227 00:20:57,276 --> 00:21:00,916 Speaker 1: Thing and That neil record was supposed to be acoustic 228 00:21:01,916 --> 00:21:02,596 Speaker 1: to start, Right but. 229 00:21:02,996 --> 00:21:05,676 Speaker 4: Yes he, said he called me and asked me IF 230 00:21:05,716 --> 00:21:08,756 Speaker 4: i would record ten acoustic songs and film him as. 231 00:21:08,796 --> 00:21:11,876 Speaker 4: WELL i was making films in those days with my 232 00:21:11,996 --> 00:21:16,556 Speaker 4: Friend Adam, vallack and we had made some very nice, 233 00:21:16,636 --> 00:21:19,036 Speaker 4: films AND i think that caught his eye and he, thought, 234 00:21:19,076 --> 00:21:20,996 Speaker 4: well that could be a one stop, shop you, know 235 00:21:21,116 --> 00:21:24,396 Speaker 4: to come out with a film as well as a music. 236 00:21:24,476 --> 00:21:27,236 Speaker 4: Performance AND i tried to talk to filmmakers about this 237 00:21:27,396 --> 00:21:32,756 Speaker 4: agen she's sitting right. There we. Were we recorded in 238 00:21:32,876 --> 00:21:37,036 Speaker 4: the front room of my beautiful villa In Los, angeles 239 00:21:37,556 --> 00:21:40,156 Speaker 4: fabulous old place as IF i built, it it's nineteen twenty. 240 00:21:40,196 --> 00:21:45,356 Speaker 4: Five and if we thought we had a, TAKE i 241 00:21:45,396 --> 00:21:48,156 Speaker 4: would immediately knock out a mix and give it To 242 00:21:48,236 --> 00:21:51,556 Speaker 4: adam and he would run upstairs and. Synchronize this a 243 00:21:51,676 --> 00:21:54,236 Speaker 4: one camera, shoot so it was not you didn't have 244 00:21:54,276 --> 00:21:56,116 Speaker 4: to go from camera to. Cameras just a one camera, 245 00:21:56,196 --> 00:22:00,396 Speaker 4: shoot as the performance has seen through the eyes of 246 00:22:00,516 --> 00:22:04,156 Speaker 4: one individual and not an editing. Room that was the. 247 00:22:04,196 --> 00:22:08,876 Speaker 4: Philosophy SO i would run, upstairs give him a mix 248 00:22:08,956 --> 00:22:11,996 Speaker 4: and he'd find the locking. Point in a matter of twenty, 249 00:22:12,076 --> 00:22:14,716 Speaker 4: minutes we had a playback of a film and a 250 00:22:14,876 --> 00:22:18,836 Speaker 4: nice music, mix and it was we were like a 251 00:22:19,356 --> 00:22:23,876 Speaker 4: great machine and we have fast. Results and we would, say, 252 00:22:23,916 --> 00:22:26,956 Speaker 4: okay well let's try another. Take we'd go, down do another, 253 00:22:27,076 --> 00:22:29,516 Speaker 4: take do a, mix take it upstairs And, adam let's, 254 00:22:29,516 --> 00:22:31,756 Speaker 4: say we had a finished film right on the spot 255 00:22:31,796 --> 00:22:32,476 Speaker 4: and it was really. 256 00:22:32,516 --> 00:22:34,956 Speaker 1: Great that's incredible to. 257 00:22:35,036 --> 00:22:38,356 Speaker 3: WORK i tried to Convince jenner. 258 00:22:38,436 --> 00:22:40,276 Speaker 4: That she, said, well that's a bit too cowboy for. 259 00:22:40,436 --> 00:22:42,196 Speaker 4: Us you want to see cowboy you're looking at. 260 00:22:42,276 --> 00:22:46,636 Speaker 1: IT i mean that's fast by record making, standards let 261 00:22:46,676 --> 00:22:47,836 Speaker 1: alone film Standing. 262 00:22:47,916 --> 00:22:51,396 Speaker 4: Yeah, well the there's been some fast. Ones AND i 263 00:22:51,476 --> 00:22:53,636 Speaker 4: worked fast With Willie. Nelson we made a record With, 264 00:22:53,756 --> 00:22:58,676 Speaker 4: willie a nice record Called. Teatro made it in four. Days, yeah, man. 265 00:22:59,156 --> 00:23:02,156 Speaker 1: Fast it's a big sounding. 266 00:23:02,196 --> 00:23:04,676 Speaker 4: Record it's a great sounding, record but a lot of 267 00:23:04,716 --> 00:23:06,916 Speaker 4: preparation went into it for it to be. 268 00:23:07,436 --> 00:23:15,716 Speaker 1: Fast we'll be back with more after the. Break what 269 00:23:16,076 --> 00:23:19,636 Speaker 1: kind of preparation do you do for a record like? 270 00:23:19,676 --> 00:23:21,036 Speaker 1: That and then we can maybe listen to somes of 271 00:23:21,076 --> 00:23:21,836 Speaker 1: people can hear. 272 00:23:22,076 --> 00:23:25,956 Speaker 4: Okay well for the for The William nelson. RECORD i 273 00:23:26,076 --> 00:23:30,036 Speaker 4: met him In Las vegas and we drove in To 274 00:23:30,196 --> 00:23:37,916 Speaker 4: california With Emmy Loof and as we were crossing To, 275 00:23:38,036 --> 00:23:40,636 Speaker 4: CALIFORNIA i called my crew AND i, said, okay you 276 00:23:40,756 --> 00:23:43,516 Speaker 4: got to make the place look like a. Club BECAUSE 277 00:23:43,556 --> 00:23:45,076 Speaker 4: i Asked willie what was it like when you were 278 00:23:45,116 --> 00:23:47,076 Speaker 4: a kid, man when you were getting. Started he, said, 279 00:23:47,116 --> 00:23:49,716 Speaker 4: well we were just a dance. Band we played these 280 00:23:49,756 --> 00:23:53,356 Speaker 4: really nice clubs Around, austin and we had a, responsibility you, 281 00:23:54,476 --> 00:23:57,036 Speaker 4: know cheek to Cheek dan saying two step you, know 282 00:23:57,196 --> 00:23:59,116 Speaker 4: so we that's what we. Were we were a dance 283 00:23:59,196 --> 00:24:02,516 Speaker 4: band and the clubs were. BEAUTIFUL i, thought, well why 284 00:24:02,516 --> 00:24:06,796 Speaker 4: don't we recreate this this environment For. Willy so my 285 00:24:06,996 --> 00:24:10,316 Speaker 4: crew there was A mexican runt across the street that 286 00:24:10,476 --> 00:24:12,876 Speaker 4: just had refurbished and they had the old benches and, 287 00:24:12,956 --> 00:24:15,476 Speaker 4: boots so they gave them to. Us so we set 288 00:24:15,556 --> 00:24:17,716 Speaker 4: up the benches and booths all over the place and 289 00:24:17,836 --> 00:24:20,556 Speaker 4: dimmed the. LIGHTS i had little risers and you wouldn't 290 00:24:20,556 --> 00:24:22,036 Speaker 4: even think it was because it was in an old 291 00:24:22,076 --> 00:24:25,596 Speaker 4: theater my studio at the. Time And willie walked and he, said, wow, 292 00:24:25,796 --> 00:24:28,116 Speaker 4: man what is? THIS i, said, well this is your new. 293 00:24:28,196 --> 00:24:32,876 Speaker 4: Club and we made that record with no. Headphones the 294 00:24:32,956 --> 00:24:37,116 Speaker 4: drummers wore, headphones but nobody else, did and we just 295 00:24:37,556 --> 00:24:40,756 Speaker 4: knocked them. Out AND i had a good relationship with 296 00:24:40,836 --> 00:24:43,796 Speaker 4: the police department in those, days AND i said to, them, 297 00:24:43,836 --> 00:24:46,356 Speaker 4: listen will he's in the parking, lot please don't bother. 298 00:24:46,476 --> 00:24:48,956 Speaker 4: Him you see any smoke? Signals turned the blind? 299 00:24:49,036 --> 00:24:52,356 Speaker 1: Eye AND i guess in case we forgot to, mention 300 00:24:52,476 --> 00:24:53,436 Speaker 1: do was In? Ventura? 301 00:24:54,316 --> 00:24:57,916 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah which is, right ox start, actually which is. 302 00:24:58,076 --> 00:25:03,316 Speaker 4: Uh it's an agricultural area for THE us in a 303 00:25:03,476 --> 00:25:07,516 Speaker 4: very incredible, place and it was an abandoned theater THAT 304 00:25:07,596 --> 00:25:10,716 Speaker 4: i rented for four years with a friend and we 305 00:25:10,836 --> 00:25:14,436 Speaker 4: made a lot of. Music i'm Recorded Billy bob Thornton 306 00:25:14,596 --> 00:25:17,036 Speaker 4: Sling blade soundtrack in that theater as. 307 00:25:17,076 --> 00:25:22,716 Speaker 1: Well it's good you recorded that with him, there and 308 00:25:22,796 --> 00:25:24,636 Speaker 1: he spent a lot of time there with you while 309 00:25:24,676 --> 00:25:25,236 Speaker 1: you were doing. 310 00:25:25,116 --> 00:25:29,156 Speaker 4: It right With? Billy oh, yeah, yeah this is before cell. 311 00:25:29,196 --> 00:25:33,116 Speaker 4: PHONES i believe it's hard to imagine before cell, Phones 312 00:25:33,916 --> 00:25:37,196 Speaker 4: Like i'm one hundred years. Old he used to call 313 00:25:37,316 --> 00:25:41,236 Speaker 4: me from a phone booth and you, say how's it looking? 314 00:25:41,276 --> 00:25:42,916 Speaker 4: DOWN i, said, Well i've got a couple of things to, 315 00:25:42,956 --> 00:25:45,196 Speaker 4: play and he'd come down and we'd listen to things 316 00:25:45,276 --> 00:25:47,196 Speaker 4: together and he, say, oh that's, great let's try and 317 00:25:47,276 --> 00:25:49,956 Speaker 4: put it over, here and we Use, Okay, jen you're 318 00:25:49,996 --> 00:25:54,236 Speaker 4: gonna laugh at, this because our synchronization system was, okay 319 00:25:54,276 --> 00:25:58,956 Speaker 4: you're watching scene and then, right you, know somebody touches the. 320 00:25:59,076 --> 00:26:03,676 Speaker 4: Doorknob that's when you start. Playing and we do a, 321 00:26:03,756 --> 00:26:05,996 Speaker 4: take and they saw that's, great let's hear it. Back 322 00:26:06,076 --> 00:26:08,716 Speaker 4: so we'd queue up And i'd put a chalk mark 323 00:26:08,836 --> 00:26:11,116 Speaker 4: on it was analog, table that WAS i just put 324 00:26:11,156 --> 00:26:13,556 Speaker 4: a chalk mark on the playback, head you, KNOW i, 325 00:26:13,636 --> 00:26:18,396 Speaker 4: said here comes the door, knob and then we would 326 00:26:18,436 --> 00:26:21,436 Speaker 4: make him a vachy THE vhs pardon me of, that 327 00:26:22,196 --> 00:26:24,476 Speaker 4: and then his editor would just copy what we had 328 00:26:24,556 --> 00:26:25,716 Speaker 4: done to synchronize. 329 00:26:25,796 --> 00:26:25,836 Speaker 6: It. 330 00:26:29,596 --> 00:26:31,396 Speaker 1: Uh but we should play some of That willie record 331 00:26:31,436 --> 00:26:33,356 Speaker 1: because just so people get a sense that, this you, 332 00:26:33,436 --> 00:26:36,396 Speaker 1: know in four days to make this kind of a 333 00:26:36,476 --> 00:26:42,036 Speaker 1: sounding record in a in a makeshift club in sleepy you, Know, Oxford. 334 00:26:42,116 --> 00:26:46,196 Speaker 1: California i'll play this is the maker from from that. 335 00:26:46,276 --> 00:27:28,356 Speaker 1: Album THEN i look at the. 336 00:27:28,436 --> 00:27:30,196 Speaker 4: Drummers you guys, ready. 337 00:27:43,636 --> 00:28:08,876 Speaker 6: Ooh ooh De Wa fly Cool, bly the nice stand Little. 338 00:28:11,756 --> 00:28:16,796 Speaker 6: Iron i'm. 339 00:28:16,876 --> 00:28:23,876 Speaker 1: Strange i'm. Sorry that's a trying to trying to improvise 340 00:28:23,956 --> 00:28:26,596 Speaker 1: along with the music And i'm Really i'm trying to 341 00:28:26,596 --> 00:28:27,516 Speaker 1: contribute and actually. 342 00:28:27,596 --> 00:28:28,876 Speaker 3: NOT i quite liked. 343 00:28:28,876 --> 00:28:31,276 Speaker 4: It it was like A dj, set, yeah. 344 00:28:30,876 --> 00:28:32,956 Speaker 1: Because the WORST dj set you've ever, Heard. 345 00:28:34,276 --> 00:28:36,596 Speaker 4: Laragie is that you right. 346 00:28:38,076 --> 00:28:39,836 Speaker 3: STILL i haven't seen it in such a long. 347 00:28:39,956 --> 00:28:42,556 Speaker 4: Time we were on the same label for a, while 348 00:28:42,636 --> 00:28:44,636 Speaker 4: me And. Laragi nice to see your. 349 00:28:44,676 --> 00:28:47,916 Speaker 1: Brother oh, MAN i, really you, know stepped right On 350 00:28:47,996 --> 00:28:53,196 Speaker 1: willie's beautiful all this, okay you know Something willie sings 351 00:28:53,236 --> 00:28:54,716 Speaker 1: like A i, mean and then that's your. Song and 352 00:28:54,796 --> 00:28:56,476 Speaker 1: what was it like to Hear willie sing a song 353 00:28:56,556 --> 00:28:57,756 Speaker 1: that you. 354 00:28:57,956 --> 00:29:02,556 Speaker 4: Wrote that's quite an honor when somebody sings one of my. 355 00:29:02,716 --> 00:29:08,556 Speaker 4: Songs it's happened a few. Times willie sang another. ONE 356 00:29:08,676 --> 00:29:13,476 Speaker 4: i wrote one Called Cruel world for The red for 357 00:29:13,916 --> 00:29:20,036 Speaker 4: a video. Game we were meant to write it, together 358 00:29:20,556 --> 00:29:23,796 Speaker 4: But willie was In hawaii and there was some kind 359 00:29:23,796 --> 00:29:25,676 Speaker 4: of a. Storm he couldn't make it back To Los, 360 00:29:25,716 --> 00:29:30,276 Speaker 4: angeles and he, said, well you write, it, man and you, 361 00:29:30,356 --> 00:29:32,036 Speaker 4: know come and see me when you got it, done 362 00:29:32,756 --> 00:29:36,556 Speaker 4: and SO i finished, it AND i, thought how are 363 00:29:36,596 --> 00:29:37,516 Speaker 4: we going to get willing to do? 364 00:29:37,676 --> 00:29:37,716 Speaker 5: It? 365 00:29:38,276 --> 00:29:44,876 Speaker 4: Jesus SO i call his, Son, micah Because, rothbaum his, manager, said, 366 00:29:44,996 --> 00:29:47,556 Speaker 4: listen IF i mentioned, anything he won't do. 367 00:29:47,676 --> 00:29:48,436 Speaker 1: It so you do. 368 00:29:48,556 --> 00:29:49,636 Speaker 4: It you call? 369 00:29:49,756 --> 00:29:49,916 Speaker 8: Him. 370 00:29:50,636 --> 00:29:53,796 Speaker 4: CAN i talked To, micah his. SON i, said, well, 371 00:29:53,836 --> 00:29:56,676 Speaker 4: listen if we show, up can we set up in 372 00:29:56,716 --> 00:29:58,916 Speaker 4: the garage or it's got a little side room that 373 00:29:58,996 --> 00:30:01,036 Speaker 4: can we set it up and Then i'll have all 374 00:30:01,116 --> 00:30:03,236 Speaker 4: the sounds ready and then we'll get the lyrics on 375 00:30:03,316 --> 00:30:05,356 Speaker 4: the wall and see if you can sing. It he 376 00:30:05,556 --> 00:30:07,316 Speaker 4: rolled out of bed and came down and looked at. 377 00:30:07,356 --> 00:30:11,956 Speaker 4: It he, said who wrote the? SONG i, Said? 378 00:30:11,996 --> 00:30:12,396 Speaker 3: WILLIE i. 379 00:30:12,516 --> 00:30:16,356 Speaker 4: Did we're supposed to write it. Together, anyhow we did 380 00:30:16,396 --> 00:30:18,316 Speaker 4: a little take right on the, spot and that's the 381 00:30:18,396 --> 00:30:20,836 Speaker 4: one that made us way into the video. 382 00:30:20,956 --> 00:30:22,516 Speaker 1: Game, well let me play a little of that as 383 00:30:22,556 --> 00:30:26,716 Speaker 1: SINCE i stepped On willie. Earlier it's also a really great. 384 00:30:26,756 --> 00:30:42,396 Speaker 9: Song cool, cool almost cool cool. World i'm moving. 385 00:30:42,556 --> 00:30:49,716 Speaker 10: All i've been living too fast And i'll be living too. 386 00:30:50,156 --> 00:30:52,876 Speaker 9: Wrong cruel cool. 387 00:30:53,036 --> 00:30:54,996 Speaker 10: World i'm gone. 388 00:30:57,036 --> 00:31:04,196 Speaker 9: Miss big old. World sure got me running, around arvous 389 00:31:04,636 --> 00:31:05,876 Speaker 9: said just st. 390 00:31:08,516 --> 00:31:11,796 Speaker 10: And with them light as my, guide and with his 391 00:31:11,956 --> 00:31:18,356 Speaker 10: feeling deep, INSIDE i know now THAT i am homeward bow. 392 00:31:20,716 --> 00:31:23,876 Speaker 9: Cool, cool mcle. 393 00:31:26,476 --> 00:31:26,876 Speaker 4: Cool. 394 00:31:27,516 --> 00:31:34,436 Speaker 10: Cool i'm moving. On i've been living too fast And 395 00:31:34,596 --> 00:31:41,476 Speaker 10: i've been living too. Wrong cool, Cool i'm gone. 396 00:31:44,196 --> 00:31:58,236 Speaker 4: Let it. So look it's that. Crazy That's. 397 00:31:58,316 --> 00:32:09,236 Speaker 1: WILLIE i mean, again like there's no drums on, that 398 00:32:09,356 --> 00:32:13,396 Speaker 1: but it's also imbued with like just a wonderful sense of. 399 00:32:13,476 --> 00:32:17,436 Speaker 4: Rhythm it's just me And micah And willie sitting in his. 400 00:32:17,556 --> 00:32:20,236 Speaker 4: Garage he sounds like a. 401 00:32:20,356 --> 00:32:24,316 Speaker 1: Kid he sounds sounds could really good for every Young 402 00:32:25,596 --> 00:32:26,636 Speaker 1: how many takes do you get With? 403 00:32:26,756 --> 00:32:32,596 Speaker 4: Willie what you don't get many takes With? Willy? One maybe? 404 00:32:32,676 --> 00:32:32,836 Speaker 3: Two? 405 00:32:34,196 --> 00:32:37,916 Speaker 4: Uh he's just so great with phrasing that you CAN'T 406 00:32:38,396 --> 00:32:39,356 Speaker 4: i can't disagree with. 407 00:32:39,516 --> 00:32:42,876 Speaker 1: Him does he does he rehearse a song like? 408 00:32:42,996 --> 00:32:48,476 Speaker 4: That, WELL i don't know if it's politically correct to say, 409 00:32:48,556 --> 00:32:52,116 Speaker 4: this but let's not kill the. 410 00:32:52,236 --> 00:32:56,636 Speaker 3: Fucker that's what he used to say to. ME i, 411 00:32:56,716 --> 00:32:57,876 Speaker 3: said don't do it too many. 412 00:32:57,996 --> 00:33:02,756 Speaker 4: Times you're gonna knock all the spontaneity and the juice 413 00:33:02,796 --> 00:33:04,156 Speaker 4: on it if you do it too many. 414 00:33:04,276 --> 00:33:07,676 Speaker 1: Times thank you for not Killing? 415 00:33:07,756 --> 00:33:08,596 Speaker 4: Willy all? 416 00:33:08,676 --> 00:33:15,956 Speaker 1: Right and still getting a wonderful. Day uh you also 417 00:33:16,116 --> 00:33:19,476 Speaker 1: got for, that you Got DiAngelo to do a. Song, 418 00:33:20,196 --> 00:33:20,556 Speaker 1: yes that's. 419 00:33:20,636 --> 00:33:23,676 Speaker 4: Right, YEAH i worked with di'angelo and that was a real. 420 00:33:24,196 --> 00:33:29,636 Speaker 4: SPECIAL i went in with a song in mind that 421 00:33:29,916 --> 00:33:32,476 Speaker 4: didn't work out very, well and he said to, Me 422 00:33:33,156 --> 00:33:34,956 Speaker 4: i'm not feeling. This you know, what what do you 423 00:33:34,996 --> 00:33:36,396 Speaker 4: want to? DO i, said, well give me a day 424 00:33:37,516 --> 00:33:41,196 Speaker 4: in the studio AND i prepared a track with A 425 00:33:41,236 --> 00:33:46,596 Speaker 4: Brian blade drum beat THAT i, had AND i just 426 00:33:46,676 --> 00:33:48,556 Speaker 4: came up with a whole other song THAT i, had 427 00:33:48,796 --> 00:33:53,116 Speaker 4: uh presented to him as a co write With rocca De, 428 00:33:53,196 --> 00:33:58,076 Speaker 4: luca myself and D'Angelo AND i worked out really. Well 429 00:33:58,156 --> 00:34:00,956 Speaker 4: he's got an amazing left. Hand we we cut it. 430 00:34:01,916 --> 00:34:04,676 Speaker 4: WELL i already had the, drums AS i, said With 431 00:34:04,756 --> 00:34:08,836 Speaker 4: Brian blade and some With Cyriah neville playing. Percussion. Wow 432 00:34:09,156 --> 00:34:16,636 Speaker 4: and THEN i built we, performed, uh him on roads 433 00:34:16,676 --> 00:34:21,436 Speaker 4: and meon, guitar on guitar and acoustic guitar. Amplified and 434 00:34:22,036 --> 00:34:24,876 Speaker 4: he has the most amazing left hand because D' angela 435 00:34:25,036 --> 00:34:30,316 Speaker 4: was an organist prodigy in his father's, church so he's 436 00:34:30,356 --> 00:34:33,836 Speaker 4: got that amazing dexterity with a left. Hand SO i 437 00:34:33,956 --> 00:34:36,076 Speaker 4: never had to add a bass because he had had 438 00:34:36,436 --> 00:34:37,756 Speaker 4: the most beautiful left hand. 439 00:34:37,836 --> 00:34:40,276 Speaker 1: Part you, know a lot of the roads were. You 440 00:34:41,316 --> 00:34:45,316 Speaker 1: were you a fan of D'Angelo before? That were you 441 00:34:45,916 --> 00:34:47,956 Speaker 1: much aware of his work OR i was aware of his? 442 00:34:48,076 --> 00:34:54,516 Speaker 4: Work, YES I i always admired his sense of. Time you, 443 00:34:54,596 --> 00:34:57,036 Speaker 4: know he talked about everybody has their own way of 444 00:34:57,116 --> 00:35:00,676 Speaker 4: looking at time and the behind the behind the b 445 00:35:00,916 --> 00:35:05,116 Speaker 4: thing that he mastered beautifully and never to be. FORGOTTEN 446 00:35:05,396 --> 00:35:08,436 Speaker 4: i don't know IF i don't know if it's necessary 447 00:35:08,516 --> 00:35:12,756 Speaker 4: to ever get of that, again because h is It Black? Messiah? 448 00:35:12,836 --> 00:35:15,156 Speaker 4: YEAH i think On Black. Messiah he listened to the 449 00:35:15,236 --> 00:35:18,036 Speaker 4: grooves on. This oh my, goodness it's it's really a 450 00:35:18,116 --> 00:35:20,156 Speaker 4: whole other way of looking at. Time. 451 00:35:20,676 --> 00:35:22,796 Speaker 1: YEAH i would love to hear you guys work. Again 452 00:35:22,836 --> 00:35:27,036 Speaker 1: that was such an, unexpected unexpected that he puts something 453 00:35:27,076 --> 00:35:29,556 Speaker 1: out because he doesn't always do, that, unexpected that you 454 00:35:29,756 --> 00:35:33,236 Speaker 1: guys co wrote something together and performed. IT i mean 455 00:35:33,276 --> 00:35:33,516 Speaker 1: it was just. 456 00:35:33,556 --> 00:35:38,876 Speaker 4: Beautiful, yeah he was apparently we were pretty fast by 457 00:35:38,956 --> 00:35:42,356 Speaker 4: comparison to his usual, pace and we knocked it out 458 00:35:42,356 --> 00:35:43,316 Speaker 4: pretty quick in a couple of. 459 00:35:43,396 --> 00:35:46,796 Speaker 1: Weeks and, yeah you didn't kill him, Either, Dangel you 460 00:35:46,796 --> 00:35:47,236 Speaker 1: Didn't kill The. 461 00:35:47,276 --> 00:35:49,516 Speaker 3: Angel, yeah right here In New, york you know it. 462 00:35:49,596 --> 00:35:51,396 Speaker 4: Was it was a lot of. Fun, yeah, MAN i 463 00:35:51,556 --> 00:35:51,876 Speaker 4: love that. 464 00:35:51,956 --> 00:35:57,476 Speaker 1: Guy you Mentioned Cyril neville of the Great Neville, Brothers, yeah, 465 00:35:57,556 --> 00:36:02,716 Speaker 1: yeah And Yellow, moon which you did with with The 466 00:36:02,836 --> 00:36:03,676 Speaker 1: neville Is. 467 00:36:04,556 --> 00:36:07,276 Speaker 4: Yeah Yellow moon is a special record out Of New. 468 00:36:07,396 --> 00:36:09,916 Speaker 4: ORLEANS i had gone To New york to get away 469 00:36:09,996 --> 00:36:13,316 Speaker 4: from the. WORLD i rented a little apartment AND i 470 00:36:13,516 --> 00:36:15,916 Speaker 4: was happy to be working on my own. Music and 471 00:36:17,076 --> 00:36:22,236 Speaker 4: then but they found me and they, said, Hey, landwill 472 00:36:22,236 --> 00:36:26,276 Speaker 4: why don't you produce A Neville brothers? Record AND i 473 00:36:26,356 --> 00:36:30,476 Speaker 4: had them come over my apartment and we did some 474 00:36:30,636 --> 00:36:34,316 Speaker 4: demos that worked out pretty, well and on the strength 475 00:36:34,956 --> 00:36:38,236 Speaker 4: of those, demos we decided to carry on and finish an. 476 00:36:38,276 --> 00:36:41,756 Speaker 4: Album in, FACT i think one or two of the 477 00:36:41,956 --> 00:36:46,356 Speaker 4: tracks from that record came out of my. Apartment AND 478 00:36:46,476 --> 00:36:48,836 Speaker 4: i had a cheap little, mixer a little hill, mixer 479 00:36:49,556 --> 00:36:52,796 Speaker 4: and a twelve track A kai some bizarre recording, system 480 00:36:53,436 --> 00:36:57,436 Speaker 4: and my mixing machine was a Little sony cassette, machine 481 00:36:57,436 --> 00:37:01,516 Speaker 4: a very nice, machine cassette dole be on it and. 482 00:37:01,556 --> 00:37:05,236 Speaker 4: EVERYTHING i never bettered those, mixes AND i never told 483 00:37:05,236 --> 00:37:07,196 Speaker 4: ANYBODY i used the cassette. 484 00:37:08,276 --> 00:37:11,076 Speaker 3: For the album would have said, Anything, wow. 485 00:37:13,676 --> 00:37:14,356 Speaker 1: No reason to. 486 00:37:14,436 --> 00:37:17,436 Speaker 3: Her you, know there was something about the compression and 487 00:37:17,556 --> 00:37:18,996 Speaker 3: the usual that. 488 00:37:19,236 --> 00:37:19,836 Speaker 4: Happened you, KNOW. 489 00:37:22,596 --> 00:37:23,756 Speaker 1: I want TO i don't. 490 00:37:23,636 --> 00:37:27,956 Speaker 4: Care what medium would you? 491 00:37:28,036 --> 00:37:28,156 Speaker 1: Use? 492 00:37:28,196 --> 00:37:29,116 Speaker 4: Well who cares about? 493 00:37:29,196 --> 00:37:30,556 Speaker 3: Mediums who? 494 00:37:30,636 --> 00:37:34,236 Speaker 1: Cares exactly? Right she listened a little OF i want 495 00:37:34,236 --> 00:37:37,036 Speaker 1: to listen to the Song voodoo from that, record just 496 00:37:37,076 --> 00:37:38,476 Speaker 1: a little, bit listening to a touch of. 497 00:37:38,516 --> 00:38:16,236 Speaker 4: That keep quiet, There, bred don't you just love The? 498 00:38:16,396 --> 00:38:17,916 Speaker 4: South oh you must. 499 00:38:17,756 --> 00:38:18,676 Speaker 6: Have put a budle. 500 00:38:18,876 --> 00:38:32,276 Speaker 11: Home you must have. Casten we're not laughing you. There 501 00:38:34,956 --> 00:38:35,796 Speaker 11: they don't talk. 502 00:38:35,916 --> 00:38:46,956 Speaker 12: Cants oh you must have been born in candle wh 503 00:38:47,436 --> 00:38:56,436 Speaker 12: make at so? Strong you must have springles all around that. 504 00:38:56,676 --> 00:39:01,156 Speaker 12: Bay you must have had a black cat, boone. 505 00:39:07,196 --> 00:39:07,956 Speaker 11: Just set out a. 506 00:39:08,076 --> 00:39:10,436 Speaker 6: Glass what do you cut? 507 00:39:10,436 --> 00:39:10,556 Speaker 2: It this? 508 00:39:10,596 --> 00:39:12,116 Speaker 1: STUFF i don't even know when to take this. Out 509 00:39:12,996 --> 00:39:17,196 Speaker 1: listen to a loop with, That, yeah, FOREVER i. 510 00:39:17,476 --> 00:39:21,596 Speaker 4: Know it's hard to look back and hard to look. 511 00:39:21,636 --> 00:39:27,676 Speaker 4: Ahead it, Is, yes it. Is couldn't agree. More, well, 512 00:39:27,756 --> 00:39:30,836 Speaker 4: Okay i'll give the trick. Away they were all very good, 513 00:39:30,876 --> 00:39:35,236 Speaker 4: percussionists and SO i said to, them, well let's let's 514 00:39:35,316 --> 00:39:38,036 Speaker 4: not play the song just. Yet let's build the percussion. 515 00:39:38,116 --> 00:39:41,316 Speaker 4: LOOPS i had everybody playing percussion and you can hear 516 00:39:41,316 --> 00:39:44,596 Speaker 4: it at the. Beginning so that's all The neville brothers playing, 517 00:39:44,636 --> 00:39:46,876 Speaker 4: percussion various cow bells and whatnot. 518 00:39:46,596 --> 00:39:47,116 Speaker 1: On that fade. 519 00:39:47,156 --> 00:39:51,196 Speaker 4: In on that fade, in and we played it maybe 520 00:39:51,716 --> 00:39:55,236 Speaker 4: maybe a fifteen minute jam of. Percussion they go. Home 521 00:39:55,356 --> 00:39:58,356 Speaker 4: i'd find the best sixteen bars of that and. Loop 522 00:39:58,556 --> 00:40:01,036 Speaker 4: this was like we're talking, loops, right you, know like 523 00:40:01,156 --> 00:40:03,916 Speaker 4: tape loops in those, days kind of around the room 524 00:40:04,036 --> 00:40:07,356 Speaker 4: or on stands and pulleys and. Whatnot AND i dropped 525 00:40:07,436 --> 00:40:10,236 Speaker 4: the best part of THE percussi back to the multi, 526 00:40:10,356 --> 00:40:12,596 Speaker 4: track and when they came in the next, day they 527 00:40:12,836 --> 00:40:16,476 Speaker 4: cut the track to their own. Percussion. Wow so it 528 00:40:16,596 --> 00:40:21,596 Speaker 4: was a way of having a fixed time metronomic, time 529 00:40:21,716 --> 00:40:23,756 Speaker 4: but not a click haoud be something that's got a 530 00:40:23,796 --> 00:40:25,676 Speaker 4: lot of feel to, it as you can hear in the. 531 00:40:25,796 --> 00:40:30,476 Speaker 4: Track and then we're lucky enough to have me And 532 00:40:30,596 --> 00:40:32,996 Speaker 4: Willie green on the drums And Tony hall on the. 533 00:40:33,036 --> 00:40:37,196 Speaker 4: Base these are the top Level New orleans. PLAYERS i 534 00:40:37,276 --> 00:40:39,436 Speaker 4: can't say enough About New, orleans you. KNOW i, Mean 535 00:40:39,476 --> 00:40:41,436 Speaker 4: i'm A French canadian. KID i go down there AND 536 00:40:41,476 --> 00:40:42,276 Speaker 4: i get a groove like. 537 00:40:42,356 --> 00:40:49,116 Speaker 1: That, incredible and you were. SO i, mean and this 538 00:40:49,276 --> 00:40:50,996 Speaker 1: is a, TIME i guess to set the scene as. 539 00:40:51,036 --> 00:40:52,796 Speaker 1: Well like you had, mentioned you went down there to 540 00:40:52,876 --> 00:40:56,916 Speaker 1: just do some, recording and you were. So at this, 541 00:40:57,076 --> 00:41:02,516 Speaker 1: time you're Recording Yellow moon with The, nevilles you're Recording 542 00:41:03,076 --> 00:41:05,196 Speaker 1: Bob Dylan's Oh, Mercy Why, mother that's a little bit, 543 00:41:05,276 --> 00:41:05,956 Speaker 1: later but same. 544 00:41:06,076 --> 00:41:08,956 Speaker 4: Era and you're also just a few months, apart a few. 545 00:41:08,876 --> 00:41:12,516 Speaker 1: Months the, part and you're recording your own debut. 546 00:41:12,596 --> 00:41:17,596 Speaker 4: Album the three albums done over the course of about nine. Months, 547 00:41:17,796 --> 00:41:24,596 Speaker 4: Yeah dylan was on, tour he stopped. In, uh my 548 00:41:24,716 --> 00:41:29,756 Speaker 4: Agent bono lined up The. Rendezvous bob stopped in and 549 00:41:30,236 --> 00:41:32,356 Speaker 4: played in a couple of, tracks including and we had 550 00:41:32,396 --> 00:41:36,116 Speaker 4: already recorded With god On Her, side which is one 551 00:41:36,156 --> 00:41:40,436 Speaker 4: Of bob's songs For Yellow. Moon For Yellow, moon At aaron's, 552 00:41:40,516 --> 00:41:43,396 Speaker 4: request he wanted to cut that, song and we did 553 00:41:43,436 --> 00:41:45,676 Speaker 4: a very powerful version of. IT i played it For 554 00:41:45,836 --> 00:41:50,276 Speaker 4: bob and he, says that sounds like a. Record that's 555 00:41:50,276 --> 00:41:55,356 Speaker 4: a big compliment From, bob and he, said, boy you 556 00:41:55,436 --> 00:41:58,196 Speaker 4: already got a thing going on. Here THEN i, said, 557 00:41:58,236 --> 00:42:01,836 Speaker 4: well why don't we make your record, here not in this, 558 00:42:02,316 --> 00:42:05,116 Speaker 4: location but In New, orleans AND i, said if you 559 00:42:05,236 --> 00:42:07,436 Speaker 4: come back in the, Springtime i'll have a whole setup 560 00:42:07,476 --> 00:42:10,356 Speaker 4: ready for. You don't need to bring any instant, curements no, musicians, 561 00:42:10,436 --> 00:42:13,356 Speaker 4: nothing just show up with your. Songs and he agreed 562 00:42:13,556 --> 00:42:14,796 Speaker 4: to that and that's how we did. 563 00:42:14,876 --> 00:42:20,756 Speaker 1: Him wow, Wow and that is again that's another that's 564 00:42:20,756 --> 00:42:23,356 Speaker 1: an album too WHERE i, mean did you get to 565 00:42:23,596 --> 00:42:27,036 Speaker 1: that's AN i guess to put that in, context that's 566 00:42:27,036 --> 00:42:31,836 Speaker 1: A dylan album WHERE i mean the songs Are was 567 00:42:31,876 --> 00:42:36,396 Speaker 1: this incredibly? Inspired did you did he come with songs 568 00:42:36,756 --> 00:42:37,556 Speaker 1: or was he? 569 00:42:38,436 --> 00:42:41,476 Speaker 4: Yeah oh, yeah he came with songs although he wrote 570 00:42:41,556 --> 00:42:44,476 Speaker 4: some In New. Orleans he wrote one Called man in 571 00:42:44,516 --> 00:42:46,156 Speaker 4: A Long Black coat that was written In New. 572 00:42:46,236 --> 00:42:47,956 Speaker 1: Orleans that's an amazing. 573 00:42:48,036 --> 00:42:50,956 Speaker 4: One, yeah he was very inspired by the whole. Scene 574 00:42:51,796 --> 00:42:56,516 Speaker 4: we had, motorcycles nice vintage motorcycles at, all and he, 575 00:42:56,556 --> 00:42:58,236 Speaker 4: said can you give me one of? These and then 576 00:42:58,276 --> 00:43:00,356 Speaker 4: we got him a nice sixty Six, harley a real 577 00:43:00,436 --> 00:43:03,356 Speaker 4: beauty and so he was having a good. Time you, 578 00:43:03,396 --> 00:43:06,116 Speaker 4: know just nobody knew he was there and need me 579 00:43:07,076 --> 00:43:13,836 Speaker 4: riding in the Night Byron. Body shakoya is the moisture 580 00:43:14,036 --> 00:43:18,036 Speaker 4: and just everything that Your orleans has you, know it's 581 00:43:18,036 --> 00:43:18,676 Speaker 4: a very magic. 582 00:43:18,756 --> 00:43:23,116 Speaker 1: PLACE i was always curious it turned Up LATER i 583 00:43:23,196 --> 00:43:27,796 Speaker 1: saw the very next Record bob, Did there was A 584 00:43:28,076 --> 00:43:31,196 Speaker 1: there was was under The Red. Sky IF i have 585 00:43:31,316 --> 00:43:34,276 Speaker 1: that kind of kind of you know that in the right, 586 00:43:34,436 --> 00:43:38,276 Speaker 1: Order and then like a handful of maybe a decade, 587 00:43:38,276 --> 00:43:41,636 Speaker 1: ago you, know as he's doing his bootleg, RELEASES i 588 00:43:41,756 --> 00:43:45,436 Speaker 1: noticed some outtakes from the sessions you guys did for 589 00:43:45,556 --> 00:43:48,476 Speaker 1: songs that ended up on, that Like God knows And 590 00:43:48,596 --> 00:43:51,516 Speaker 1: born In? Time, yeah that's, right, Yeah AND i didn't, know, 591 00:43:51,636 --> 00:43:56,316 Speaker 1: like so how many songs did you guys record and 592 00:43:56,396 --> 00:43:58,796 Speaker 1: how how did you go? About was that something a 593 00:43:58,876 --> 00:44:00,996 Speaker 1: decision Only bob could make whether a song makes the 594 00:44:01,076 --> 00:44:02,956 Speaker 1: record or, well we we. 595 00:44:03,076 --> 00:44:06,716 Speaker 4: Cut more material than we needed to make an. Album 596 00:44:06,916 --> 00:44:10,756 Speaker 4: AND i was said to see this one knocking on 597 00:44:10,836 --> 00:44:13,956 Speaker 4: the record Called series Of. DREAMS i might have made 598 00:44:13,956 --> 00:44:16,716 Speaker 4: a mistake by not lobbying for it more THAN i. 599 00:44:16,876 --> 00:44:20,916 Speaker 4: Did but if ever you hear that, one that's a real. 600 00:44:21,036 --> 00:44:22,956 Speaker 4: MASTERPIECE A series Of? 601 00:44:23,036 --> 00:44:24,116 Speaker 1: Dreams has that come? 602 00:44:24,156 --> 00:44:27,236 Speaker 4: Out do you know it did come out? Yet thank? 603 00:44:27,316 --> 00:44:27,356 Speaker 6: You? 604 00:44:29,556 --> 00:44:34,236 Speaker 4: YEAH i. Did it has a series Of dreams almost 605 00:44:34,276 --> 00:44:40,356 Speaker 4: a a look at his own life and the journey 606 00:44:40,436 --> 00:44:45,676 Speaker 4: that he Took yes forthn't listening to? That it's quite. 607 00:44:45,756 --> 00:44:47,996 Speaker 4: Touching it's a very emotional. 608 00:44:48,196 --> 00:44:54,196 Speaker 1: Delivery AND i want to play a little from from 609 00:44:54,396 --> 00:44:56,796 Speaker 1: your own record recorded around that time as well A 610 00:44:56,916 --> 00:45:01,236 Speaker 1: katie the song that we. Heard we'll listen to the. 611 00:45:01,276 --> 00:45:05,476 Speaker 1: Two we'll play The maker which we heard will you 612 00:45:05,556 --> 00:45:06,276 Speaker 1: do on his? Record? 613 00:45:06,436 --> 00:45:09,036 Speaker 4: Yes which one were you're? Thinking but we'll play The. 614 00:45:09,196 --> 00:45:12,276 Speaker 1: Maker we've already heard. It we heard this, players hear 615 00:45:12,316 --> 00:45:14,276 Speaker 1: it again because it is just to hear the, Difference 616 00:45:14,396 --> 00:45:16,196 Speaker 1: just to hear the, difference or do you want to 617 00:45:16,196 --> 00:45:17,436 Speaker 1: play what would you like to hear from? 618 00:45:17,476 --> 00:45:25,076 Speaker 4: It still water sounds pretty. 619 00:45:25,116 --> 00:45:31,836 Speaker 1: Good that's a good. One, opener can't go. Wrong m. 620 00:45:36,116 --> 00:45:39,236 Speaker 4: That's Larry mullin on the drum from you to You. 621 00:45:51,316 --> 00:45:54,676 Speaker 9: Save, save. 622 00:45:56,556 --> 00:45:58,356 Speaker 3: Where you're going with the? 623 00:45:58,996 --> 00:46:05,356 Speaker 9: Confidence serve, said. 624 00:46:07,276 --> 00:46:10,796 Speaker 1: Where you're go with, Cold. 625 00:46:12,276 --> 00:46:12,996 Speaker 7: I'm going to. 626 00:46:13,316 --> 00:46:16,196 Speaker 6: About scomb. 627 00:46:17,956 --> 00:46:20,316 Speaker 9: Called on your river flows. 628 00:46:20,596 --> 00:46:23,556 Speaker 4: Swag i'm going to. 629 00:46:23,916 --> 00:46:26,556 Speaker 6: About, scuba. 630 00:46:28,556 --> 00:46:30,436 Speaker 9: Caldon your, river. 631 00:46:30,516 --> 00:46:33,876 Speaker 6: Flat still, water. 632 00:46:35,876 --> 00:46:44,476 Speaker 1: Lay still, water lay over still, water. 633 00:46:46,516 --> 00:46:47,756 Speaker 6: Lay over. 634 00:46:49,916 --> 00:46:52,516 Speaker 3: Caledon river or so. 635 00:46:55,196 --> 00:46:56,676 Speaker 6: While lies in. 636 00:46:56,876 --> 00:47:02,756 Speaker 13: The wilderness where you're born with the devil in, Hand. 637 00:47:03,476 --> 00:47:08,916 Speaker 4: Adam clayton on the, base while lies in the wilderness 638 00:47:09,716 --> 00:47:13,956 Speaker 4: where you're gone with the devil and you know did 639 00:47:14,036 --> 00:47:14,636 Speaker 4: some background. 640 00:47:14,716 --> 00:47:22,796 Speaker 13: Vocals don't build the bridge is high for working, money 641 00:47:24,076 --> 00:47:27,436 Speaker 13: for working, Money i'm gone To. 642 00:47:27,676 --> 00:47:30,956 Speaker 11: Clark and the bridgees. 643 00:47:30,236 --> 00:47:32,956 Speaker 3: Have hella dorm your brother. 644 00:47:33,316 --> 00:47:40,436 Speaker 1: Farm still that's you, know there is One how do 645 00:47:40,476 --> 00:47:47,196 Speaker 1: you get this? Talented do you do? Everything it's that well, unbelievable, well, uh. 646 00:47:47,836 --> 00:47:52,676 Speaker 4: Unbelievable oh THE i mean this is something That larage 647 00:47:52,716 --> 00:47:57,116 Speaker 4: you know as, well that soul is the governor and 648 00:47:58,076 --> 00:48:02,116 Speaker 4: we don't carry on with anything if it doesn't have 649 00:48:02,316 --> 00:48:05,356 Speaker 4: that in tire, intact you, know he isn't even as a. 650 00:48:05,436 --> 00:48:08,476 Speaker 4: Seed the beginning of something has to have some kind 651 00:48:08,516 --> 00:48:11,956 Speaker 4: of soul to to keep motivating as we move. Along, 652 00:48:13,076 --> 00:48:22,756 Speaker 4: laurie how you doing some familiar faces there and so 653 00:48:22,996 --> 00:48:26,756 Speaker 4: what you're hearing, there you, know started with with quite 654 00:48:26,796 --> 00:48:30,676 Speaker 4: a strong feeling that we, were you, know acting as 655 00:48:30,716 --> 00:48:33,116 Speaker 4: a keel for for the rest of the. Work and 656 00:48:34,996 --> 00:48:37,076 Speaker 4: the worst thing THAT i can do in the studio 657 00:48:37,316 --> 00:48:40,396 Speaker 4: is build on something that doesn't have that and that 658 00:48:40,796 --> 00:48:44,836 Speaker 4: never really works. Out it's on the soul is the. 659 00:48:44,916 --> 00:48:49,156 Speaker 1: Governor you can you can hear. That that's you can 660 00:48:49,236 --> 00:48:52,836 Speaker 1: definitely hear that after this, break we're back with the 661 00:48:52,876 --> 00:49:00,596 Speaker 1: rest of my conversation With Daniel. Landois after making some 662 00:49:00,756 --> 00:49:04,036 Speaker 1: records like, that how do you decide to Leave New? 663 00:49:04,196 --> 00:49:06,716 Speaker 1: ORLEANS i don't know IF i ever would have left 664 00:49:06,796 --> 00:49:09,956 Speaker 1: if you're going to do with me been working to mind. 665 00:49:10,036 --> 00:49:12,476 Speaker 4: You BUT i Left New orleans to go To mexico 666 00:49:12,516 --> 00:49:19,676 Speaker 4: BECAUSE i wanted to keep going. South, yeah that's, IT 667 00:49:19,796 --> 00:49:23,236 Speaker 4: i THOUGHT i. WAS i always like something About mexican, 668 00:49:24,036 --> 00:49:27,716 Speaker 4: baselines AND i still don't fully comprehend them to this. 669 00:49:27,916 --> 00:49:34,516 Speaker 4: Day and so those those amazing uh three, fours you, 670 00:49:34,596 --> 00:49:38,996 Speaker 4: know with odd baselines and in between, rhythms they've got 671 00:49:39,036 --> 00:49:42,796 Speaker 4: a little Di angelo in them. Themselves such an old 672 00:49:42,836 --> 00:49:47,876 Speaker 4: culture of those grooves that they've found all the iss 673 00:49:47,956 --> 00:49:51,396 Speaker 4: and in, betweens and it's quite touching for me to. 674 00:49:53,076 --> 00:49:53,196 Speaker 7: Hear. 675 00:49:53,316 --> 00:49:55,716 Speaker 4: Them AND i just wanted to keep going further. South 676 00:49:55,836 --> 00:49:59,076 Speaker 4: AND i still want to keep going further. South what 677 00:49:59,196 --> 00:49:59,636 Speaker 4: are we doing? 678 00:49:59,716 --> 00:50:00,756 Speaker 7: Here where are you going? 679 00:50:00,836 --> 00:50:04,236 Speaker 1: Next let's? Go did you make any records In? 680 00:50:04,316 --> 00:50:10,436 Speaker 4: Mexico, YES I i Had Brian blade down there And Darryl, 681 00:50:10,516 --> 00:50:14,516 Speaker 4: johnson great bass player From New. Ormans brian's From, Shreveport 682 00:50:14,636 --> 00:50:18,196 Speaker 4: SO i was in the presence of two of the 683 00:50:18,316 --> 00:50:22,196 Speaker 4: finest and we went down there and for about a 684 00:50:22,316 --> 00:50:26,316 Speaker 4: YEAR i was stationed down there In, mexico AND i 685 00:50:26,396 --> 00:50:28,956 Speaker 4: came up with a lot of very great psychedelic music 686 00:50:29,036 --> 00:50:31,916 Speaker 4: THAT i still, have you, know have in my. Library 687 00:50:32,036 --> 00:50:35,036 Speaker 4: some of it's. Unreleased, Man, well maybe we'll get to 688 00:50:35,116 --> 00:50:35,636 Speaker 4: it one of these. 689 00:50:35,716 --> 00:50:39,396 Speaker 1: Days you gotta you gotta gotta put that, out. Man 690 00:50:39,596 --> 00:50:41,116 Speaker 1: AND i just got to, SAY i mean you always, 691 00:50:41,396 --> 00:50:45,836 Speaker 1: Again Brian, Blade Tony, Hall DARRYL i, mean you're always 692 00:50:45,996 --> 00:50:48,476 Speaker 1: just got the most incredible rhythm sections with. 693 00:50:48,556 --> 00:50:53,676 Speaker 4: You you, know well why? Not you know it's, yeah 694 00:50:53,756 --> 00:50:56,716 Speaker 4: why there's great players out there and they just need 695 00:50:56,796 --> 00:51:00,076 Speaker 4: to build a little nest and lay some. 696 00:51:00,196 --> 00:51:06,556 Speaker 1: EGGS i asked you about a song speaking of songs 697 00:51:06,556 --> 00:51:10,516 Speaker 1: that are from deep within your your catalog and weren't 698 00:51:10,516 --> 00:51:12,156 Speaker 1: released and then maybe or this one came, out but 699 00:51:12,196 --> 00:51:14,836 Speaker 1: you're saying maybe you shouldn't have put it. Out BUT 700 00:51:15,156 --> 00:51:17,316 Speaker 1: i asked you about a song called Warm up to The, 701 00:51:17,436 --> 00:51:20,956 Speaker 1: heart which came out on a series of releases Called 702 00:51:20,996 --> 00:51:24,916 Speaker 1: omni or is a three disc. Release would you mind 703 00:51:25,076 --> 00:51:25,996 Speaker 1: playing through that a? 704 00:51:26,076 --> 00:51:28,516 Speaker 4: Bit, well justin you, Know i'll do it for, you. 705 00:51:28,716 --> 00:51:31,316 Speaker 4: MAN i haven't played it, since so let's see IF 706 00:51:31,316 --> 00:51:31,836 Speaker 4: i can get through. 707 00:51:31,876 --> 00:51:32,196 Speaker 1: It thank. 708 00:51:32,236 --> 00:51:48,316 Speaker 4: You i'll do a. 709 00:51:48,356 --> 00:55:19,036 Speaker 14: Preamble spot. 710 00:54:48,276 --> 00:55:17,276 Speaker 8: Are a. 711 00:55:32,076 --> 00:55:39,276 Speaker 5: Stock, o. 712 00:56:46,916 --> 00:56:47,196 Speaker 1: Thank. 713 00:56:47,276 --> 00:56:48,196 Speaker 10: You Thank. 714 00:56:56,956 --> 00:56:59,396 Speaker 4: Maybe while we're, here we've talked a little bit about 715 00:56:59,476 --> 00:57:04,396 Speaker 4: this technique of turning up loud but playing quiet, please 716 00:57:05,236 --> 00:57:09,236 Speaker 4: which is, Uh dawna knows this well because she is 717 00:57:09,276 --> 00:57:11,676 Speaker 4: a fand Of Jim hendrix AS i. Am and so 718 00:57:12,396 --> 00:57:15,596 Speaker 4: you can pluck a, note, garth you crank me up 719 00:57:15,636 --> 00:57:19,436 Speaker 4: about fifteen twenty. Percent i'll give you an example of. 720 00:57:19,556 --> 00:57:24,116 Speaker 4: This so SO i pluck a note and THEN i 721 00:57:24,236 --> 00:57:40,076 Speaker 4: bring the shimmer, up So i'm not doing anything here. 722 00:58:33,716 --> 00:59:41,436 Speaker 7: Change so it's A it's a technique THAT. 723 00:59:43,556 --> 00:59:46,116 Speaker 4: I found pretty early on in my playing BECAUSE i 724 00:59:46,276 --> 00:59:49,716 Speaker 4: wasn't about to be a Great texas steel guitar, player 725 00:59:49,796 --> 00:59:53,156 Speaker 4: SO i, thought, well maybe there's something in there that 726 00:59:53,316 --> 00:59:56,156 Speaker 4: belongs to me, Then so that's that's one of the 727 00:59:56,276 --> 00:59:58,756 Speaker 4: things that came to me is IF i played the, 728 00:59:58,836 --> 01:00:06,436 Speaker 4: melody let me just clean things up me we'll Play Danny. 729 01:00:06,476 --> 01:00:49,596 Speaker 4: Boy so little scraping THAT i do triggers the notes 730 01:00:49,676 --> 01:00:51,836 Speaker 4: THAT i didn't play in the, melody but they're in the, 731 01:00:51,956 --> 01:00:56,516 Speaker 4: chord and so you get them monamable and then that's 732 01:00:56,556 --> 01:00:59,716 Speaker 4: as if somebody had written a little arrangement of harmonics 733 01:00:59,756 --> 01:01:03,836 Speaker 4: surrounding the. Melody and so that's a technique That i'd 734 01:01:03,916 --> 01:01:07,636 Speaker 4: like to. Use and it takes me to those WHAT 735 01:01:07,756 --> 01:01:10,596 Speaker 4: i Call Bernard hermann chore is one of my Favorite 736 01:01:10,636 --> 01:01:22,636 Speaker 4: american composers. Psychamical excuse, me, sorry that was fault of my. 737 01:01:22,796 --> 01:02:09,436 Speaker 4: Shoe THEN i got the scraping sound And, wayne Whereas 738 01:02:09,436 --> 01:02:13,556 Speaker 4: Wayne Wayne lorenz built me this little sustained machine here that. 739 01:02:13,876 --> 01:02:45,036 Speaker 4: Goes SO i can think of them as little hidden 740 01:02:45,156 --> 01:02:51,076 Speaker 4: chords available in between melodies that make the almost as 741 01:02:51,116 --> 01:02:55,396 Speaker 4: if harmonics are our a little, orchestra orchestra behind the. 742 01:02:55,476 --> 01:02:56,956 Speaker 4: Melody and it's. 743 01:02:58,676 --> 01:03:02,796 Speaker 1: Because you're playing softly and because you've turned to the 744 01:03:02,876 --> 01:03:04,156 Speaker 1: volume up so loud that you're. 745 01:03:03,996 --> 01:03:05,916 Speaker 4: Able to AND i can do the shimmer thing THAT i. 746 01:03:06,036 --> 01:03:11,636 Speaker 4: Described it's a technique That jamaican bass players abused, historically 747 01:03:12,236 --> 01:03:15,876 Speaker 4: where you turn up super, loud lot all the bass 748 01:03:16,836 --> 01:03:18,716 Speaker 4: base all the way, up trouble all the way, down 749 01:03:19,116 --> 01:03:24,596 Speaker 4: but you play. Soft you don't hammer it because then 750 01:03:24,676 --> 01:03:28,396 Speaker 4: you kill the. Sounds so it's it's a similar. Philosophy 751 01:03:29,156 --> 01:03:29,716 Speaker 4: but did. 752 01:03:29,676 --> 01:03:32,036 Speaker 1: You know that when you did you did you discover 753 01:03:32,116 --> 01:03:35,516 Speaker 1: that after you discovered this technique or did you know that? 754 01:03:35,756 --> 01:03:39,756 Speaker 4: Well and then it was pretty easy to figure out 755 01:03:40,956 --> 01:03:43,316 Speaker 4: all of the bass players we're doing In, jamaica you. 756 01:03:43,396 --> 01:03:46,716 Speaker 4: Know JUST i, Mean i'm not SAYING i played like, 757 01:03:46,796 --> 01:03:47,836 Speaker 4: them BUT i could figure it. 758 01:03:47,916 --> 01:03:53,316 Speaker 1: Out you, know not everyone. HAS i can say. 759 01:03:53,356 --> 01:03:57,036 Speaker 4: THAT i think a lot of soul would be part 760 01:03:57,076 --> 01:04:00,796 Speaker 4: of the recipe back to SO i don't know IF 761 01:04:00,836 --> 01:04:04,676 Speaker 4: i can say, up let me play a little melody 762 01:04:04,796 --> 01:04:09,996 Speaker 4: for you THAT i wrote as a hymn and it 763 01:04:10,156 --> 01:04:13,436 Speaker 4: made its way into the Film Friday Night. Lights if 764 01:04:13,476 --> 01:04:15,876 Speaker 4: anyone ever saw that, Film just when they don't make 765 01:04:15,916 --> 01:04:20,756 Speaker 4: that last, yard the screen goes silent and it goes slow, 766 01:04:20,876 --> 01:06:00,116 Speaker 4: mode and then this tune come. Up M. M i'll 767 01:06:00,196 --> 01:06:02,956 Speaker 4: kill my echoes here and Let garth do his. Thing, 768 01:06:03,076 --> 01:06:05,956 Speaker 4: garth you're. On he's got some beautiful shut on sound 769 01:06:05,996 --> 01:06:08,876 Speaker 4: here is designed By John, meyer one of the greats. 770 01:06:12,836 --> 01:06:12,876 Speaker 6: And. 771 01:06:14,636 --> 01:07:43,116 Speaker 15: Change WHEN i play it, LIVE i usually go, crazy 772 01:07:43,236 --> 01:07:44,356 Speaker 15: but that's with a much bigger. 773 01:07:44,436 --> 01:07:45,916 Speaker 4: Sound let's see IF i can get away with. It, 774 01:07:46,036 --> 01:08:16,036 Speaker 4: Hire i'll go to a rain drop sound to try 775 01:08:16,076 --> 01:09:20,596 Speaker 4: and take. It how us speak Of Laurie anderson? 776 01:09:20,716 --> 01:09:55,156 Speaker 5: Sound oh, well, yeah. 777 01:10:36,116 --> 01:10:36,596 Speaker 1: Oh that's. 778 01:10:36,596 --> 01:10:46,716 Speaker 4: Beautiful now these, uh these folks that put a lot 779 01:10:46,796 --> 01:10:50,356 Speaker 4: of time into this. Room behind these panels are multiple 780 01:10:50,476 --> 01:10:54,076 Speaker 4: speakers and designed By John, meyer one of the one 781 01:10:54,116 --> 01:10:56,596 Speaker 4: of the, greats And garth up there is that in The. 782 01:10:56,676 --> 01:10:59,236 Speaker 4: Helm thank You. Garth you could hear the WHEN i 783 01:10:59,236 --> 01:11:03,316 Speaker 4: Asked gartha give us the beautiful surround sounded. It it 784 01:11:04,276 --> 01:11:08,436 Speaker 4: developed more of an. Expanse so we look for things. 785 01:11:08,276 --> 01:11:08,796 Speaker 1: Like that in The. 786 01:11:08,836 --> 01:11:11,996 Speaker 4: Student you, KNOW i Mean john is obviously done here 787 01:11:12,076 --> 01:11:16,396 Speaker 4: in a physical, space but we try and create The 788 01:11:17,676 --> 01:11:20,676 Speaker 4: we are illusionists really as record, makers so we create 789 01:11:20,796 --> 01:11:24,476 Speaker 4: a sense of depth because if everything's on the same, 790 01:11:24,636 --> 01:11:29,076 Speaker 4: plane if you if you have everything on the same 791 01:11:29,196 --> 01:11:31,796 Speaker 4: plane where you don't have things sounding far, away then 792 01:11:31,876 --> 01:11:34,956 Speaker 4: that's not as interesting a. Painting so if you think 793 01:11:34,996 --> 01:11:37,716 Speaker 4: of music as, painting it's nice to see something in the. 794 01:11:37,796 --> 01:11:41,276 Speaker 4: Shadows maybe on a second, listen you hear a little 795 01:11:41,316 --> 01:11:44,876 Speaker 4: component that you hadn't noticed before and keeps you curious 796 01:11:44,916 --> 01:11:48,436 Speaker 4: about her. Work AND i think great photographs have that in, 797 01:11:48,556 --> 01:11:52,756 Speaker 4: them great, Films donna's plan has. 798 01:11:52,876 --> 01:11:53,636 Speaker 3: That you know SHE. 799 01:11:55,276 --> 01:11:57,676 Speaker 4: I won't go on too much more In. Donna she's 800 01:11:58,036 --> 01:12:01,716 Speaker 4: my favorite, guitarist right now we're working, together AND i 801 01:12:01,796 --> 01:12:03,356 Speaker 4: got a couple of tricks up in my sleep for. 802 01:12:03,436 --> 01:12:09,596 Speaker 4: You so depth we're experiencing it in this, room as 803 01:12:09,636 --> 01:12:12,836 Speaker 4: small as it, is there's a sense of depth and 804 01:12:13,316 --> 01:12:15,516 Speaker 4: depth in sound and depth in. 805 01:12:16,236 --> 01:12:20,396 Speaker 1: SENTIMENT i think it's a great note to go out. 806 01:12:20,396 --> 01:12:21,876 Speaker 1: On is we're not going to get any better than that. 807 01:12:22,036 --> 01:12:25,396 Speaker 4: Plane I'm i'm GLAD i let you hear that little 808 01:12:25,476 --> 01:12:30,836 Speaker 4: hymn because there's something about These it's obviously designed in 809 01:12:30,956 --> 01:12:34,276 Speaker 4: an ancient. Manner it's as if it could have been, 810 01:12:34,316 --> 01:12:37,916 Speaker 4: written you, know one hundred years. Ago that has a 811 01:12:37,956 --> 01:12:39,796 Speaker 4: little bit Of ireland in. It AND i spent a 812 01:12:39,876 --> 01:12:42,676 Speaker 4: lot of time, there AND i THINK i wrote that, 813 01:12:42,836 --> 01:12:44,276 Speaker 4: song that little melody In. 814 01:12:44,356 --> 01:12:45,916 Speaker 1: Ireland you did. 815 01:12:47,676 --> 01:12:50,716 Speaker 4: Just walk home from work every night looking down at 816 01:12:50,756 --> 01:12:55,156 Speaker 4: The Liffy liffey's the river runs through a doublin on 817 01:12:55,276 --> 01:13:00,956 Speaker 4: a quiet, night it's almost spilling over the brim and 818 01:13:01,116 --> 01:13:04,156 Speaker 4: it's like like, black like you're looking at a black. 819 01:13:04,276 --> 01:13:08,956 Speaker 4: Mirror that river was so inspiring to. 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