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Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky back on Move the Sticks.

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Speaker 1: Huge episode coming up today, Buck, We've got two fantastic guests.

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Speaker 1: Um and Uh, we've got some of the topics you

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Speaker 1: you know, like that was like DJ, so I think

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Speaker 1: this is funny, right because I do wonder if you're

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Speaker 1: Is interested in discussion that you have to have when

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Speaker 1: We've got Dabo Sweeney coming on the show, which is

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Speaker 1: your each play, one play at a time, one drive

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Speaker 1: at a time. And I think ultimately, if you do that,

430
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Speaker 1: it takes a little pressure off of you. And I

431
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Speaker 1: also think that it um you know, when he opens

432
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Speaker 1: his eyes and look around that huddle, you see a

433
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Speaker 1: bunch of playmakers, and you see a bunch of guys

434
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Speaker 1: that have your backs. I think more than anything, you

435
00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:53,959
Speaker 1: just don't try to do too much, just just just

436
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Speaker 1: execute well. This has been great to to learn a

437
00:20:57,359 --> 00:21:00,400
Speaker 1: little bit about the Steelers new quarterback. Uh. I want

438
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Speaker 1: to let you go, but I gotta ask you for

439
00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,520
Speaker 1: one Menshew story because you've worked with so many different

440
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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and obviously you know Eli going all the back,

441
00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,960
Speaker 1: Daniel Jones, you mentioned Moulins. I mean, the list goes

442
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Speaker 1: on and on. You had a fantastic job, but Minshew

443
00:21:12,560 --> 00:21:14,840
Speaker 1: mania has kind of taken over the country a little bit.

444
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Speaker 1: And I'm just I'm just wondering, Uh, if you have

445
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Speaker 1: a Menshew story you can share with us. Man, we

446
00:21:21,280 --> 00:21:23,840
Speaker 1: got a lot of them, you know. So we've trained, Uh,

447
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 1: we've trained. We've trained Gardener since I think tenth grade. Uh.

448
00:21:28,640 --> 00:21:30,760
Speaker 1: In fact, actually was eleventh grade. I was. I was

449
00:21:30,840 --> 00:21:35,360
Speaker 1: running a J. Mccarren's draft prep in Jackson, Mississippi at

450
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Speaker 1: the time, and my coach there, Alex Williams, and runs

451
00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:42,560
Speaker 1: QB country Jackson, Mississippi, had recently started training Gardner Minshew

452
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Speaker 1: and and he was lighting it up. I mean he

453
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Speaker 1: started as a freshman there. Uh. And and I think

454
00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,920
Speaker 1: broke a lot of Misssippi passing records. Uh. One of

455
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Speaker 1: those guys similar to the attributes we talked about earlier

456
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Speaker 1: with Nick Mullins and and Devlin Um. You know, Daniel.

457
00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,440
Speaker 1: All these guys, they don't necessarily uh, they're not leaning

458
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Speaker 1: on somebody else to believe in them. They kind of

459
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Speaker 1: believe and from the get go, I think, I mean,

460
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Speaker 1: I remember I was training a J and uh and

461
00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:12,600
Speaker 1: Gardner walks up and he's like, hey, man, you might

462
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Speaker 1: if I kind of jump in. You know, it's very

463
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Speaker 1: you know, AJ is coming off a couple of national championships.

464
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Speaker 1: He's the guy and and he just wanted to compete

465
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Speaker 1: and kind of learn, and he started picking a J's

466
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Speaker 1: brain and yeah, I think that kind of dates back

467
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Speaker 1: to the beginning. But just being there through all his

468
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Speaker 1: trials and then you know, kind of him overcoming them, uh,

469
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Speaker 1: when when he was kind of down and out. I mean,

470
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Speaker 1: he's really inspired a lot of people. And I think

471
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Speaker 1: all the guys, uh, including you know, the QB country

472
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Speaker 1: guys where we could be more proud of him. You know, David.

473
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Speaker 1: It's funny because I had admit I wrote about going

474
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Speaker 1: to miss you last week, and I was saying, like,

475
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Speaker 1: he's one of the guys that I might have missed

476
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Speaker 1: because you look at him, and you look at this

477
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Speaker 1: system that he played in at Washington State, and everyone

478
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Speaker 1: who has played under Mike Leech. Just putting these numbers,

479
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Speaker 1: so maybe you can't really figure out how talented he is.

480
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Speaker 1: But because you've worked with him for so long, Uh,

481
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Speaker 1: what would you say his his A level qualities are,

482
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Speaker 1: like what makes him really really special when it comes

483
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Speaker 1: to being a starting quarterback? Sure accuracy from the get go.

484
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Speaker 1: He was a seventy passer in high school and he

485
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Speaker 1: did it obviously in college. It took him a while

486
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Speaker 1: to get there. But then I think the second thing

487
00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: that just comes to mind right off the top is

488
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Speaker 1: his competitiveness. UM, the ability to just he loves the battle.

489
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Speaker 1: He loves um, the ability to work hard. He is

490
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Speaker 1: definitely has the big personality, but he's but he knows

491
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Speaker 1: when to be quiet and be a student. Uh. He

492
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Speaker 1: respects football. Uh. He didn't get there easily, and so

493
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Speaker 1: I think there's a respect factor there with Gardner that, um,

494
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Speaker 1: he knows, uh, just how lucky is to have this opportunity.

495
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Speaker 1: He's not wasting a day. The last thing I mentioned

496
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Speaker 1: that it was my last question. I do have one

497
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Speaker 1: more because Bucky led me down this path. We've had

498
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Speaker 1: a chance to talk to some of the top coaches

499
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Speaker 1: around the country and Um. One of the words. You know,

500
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Speaker 1: there's always buzzwords were here. Grit was kind of the

501
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:01,880
Speaker 1: word for the last couple of years. Uh. The word

502
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,080
Speaker 1: we're hearing more and more now is the word focus. UM.

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Speaker 1: I'd love to get your thoughts on that, just because

504
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Speaker 1: in a world full of distractions, you know, we're try

505
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Speaker 1: and find the character traits or things that these great

506
00:24:12,480 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 1: players have in common, and we just keep hearing this

507
00:24:14,920 --> 00:24:17,920
Speaker 1: word focus come up over and over and over again.

508
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Speaker 1: I'd love to just get your thought on that. I

509
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Speaker 1: think that's a great word. There's so many distractions. There's

510
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Speaker 1: so many people either slamming you uh or patting you

511
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Speaker 1: on the back, and I think both of those things

512
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Speaker 1: are aren't real. They're both distractions. And so can you

513
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Speaker 1: focus on hard work? Can you focus on preparation, Can

514
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Speaker 1: you be real about you know, how you can grow

515
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Speaker 1: and get better? Uh? And then can you be real

516
00:24:44,160 --> 00:24:46,960
Speaker 1: about your strengths and then lean on them? All those

517
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Speaker 1: are aspects of focus. But I would add another word

518
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Speaker 1: to that, and that is confidence. You can't fake it,

519
00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:58,040
Speaker 1: you can't manipulate it. You either believe in yourself and

520
00:24:58,160 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: where you are or or you don't. And I think

521
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Speaker 1: you know these guys we just mentioned, uh uh, you

522
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Speaker 1: see that authentic confidence and this that's a big deal.

523
00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: It's a really really big deal because there's so many

524
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Speaker 1: things pulling these guys in different directions and ultimately you

525
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:18,399
Speaker 1: gotta come back home right to the heart and do

526
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Speaker 1: you believe? And I think, but I love focus because

527
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Speaker 1: I think so much of of of this position is

528
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Speaker 1: is when everything is distracting around you can't can you

529
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Speaker 1: be locked in? And it takes a mindset to be

530
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Speaker 1: locked in all the time. I love it, man, that

531
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Speaker 1: that is fantastic. We appreciate your time, and uh, we

532
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Speaker 1: wish you the best of luck. I want one of

533
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Speaker 1: these days. I wish we weren't busy on Sundays because

534
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Speaker 1: I like to be able to sit with you while

535
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Speaker 1: you've got all the bay of TVs up where you're

536
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Speaker 1: watching all these quarterbacks you've had a chance to to

537
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Speaker 1: tutor and mentor do their thing. Man. It's uh, it's

538
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Speaker 1: really a testament to the job you've done. And we

539
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Speaker 1: appreciate you taking time for us. Hey, thank you all

540
00:25:52,840 --> 00:25:54,399
Speaker 1: so much. I'll tell you what, It's been a long

541
00:25:54,480 --> 00:25:56,920
Speaker 1: time coming, but we're having fun. We feel blessed and

542
00:25:57,040 --> 00:25:59,439
Speaker 1: it could be more proud of these guys. Thank you well,

543
00:25:59,480 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: Bucket's great to catch up with David. Really, he has

544
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: done a nice job of training these kids and getting

545
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Speaker 1: him ready. When you get your opportunity, you don't control.

546
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Speaker 1: You don't control when the opportunity comes. You do control

547
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Speaker 1: whether or not you're ready for that opportunity. And I

548
00:26:11,960 --> 00:26:13,640
Speaker 1: think when you start with Gardner, mensh you the job

549
00:26:13,720 --> 00:26:16,520
Speaker 1: he's done since he's been put into the lineup taking

550
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Speaker 1: over from Nick Foles, it speaks for itself. He's been

551
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Speaker 1: the most impressive rookie quarterback. And I thought Devilon Hodges

552
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Speaker 1: in a brief look last week in that ball game

553
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Speaker 1: against the Baltimore Ravens, I thought he handled himself quite

554
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Speaker 1: well as well. Yeah, I think the thing that that

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Speaker 1: stands out, uh and listening to David talking about both

556
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Speaker 1: guys Garner mensh you and Delvin Hodges preparedness, being ready

557
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,640
Speaker 1: for your opportunity. Um the confidence that both guys had

558
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Speaker 1: that if I just get my shot, I'm gonna be

559
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Speaker 1: ready for it. There are a lot of people that

560
00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: talk about being ready and a man, if I just

561
00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:48,960
Speaker 1: get my chance, but it is something about being ready

562
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Speaker 1: to perform when you get that opportunity. Delvin Hodges had

563
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Speaker 1: an opportunity to perform and looked pretty good when he

564
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Speaker 1: had his chance. But Garner mensh you is a guy

565
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Speaker 1: that is really making me you when a bunch of

566
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 1: other evaluators re checked the way they go through the process.

567
00:27:04,320 --> 00:27:07,920
Speaker 1: Because I'm gonna be honest, DJ, I missed on him

568
00:27:08,240 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: because I continue to look at the air rays system

569
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Speaker 1: and look at the numbers that have been produced by

570
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Speaker 1: a bunch of guys that played in the system. I mean,

571
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Speaker 1: he played um in a system that the guy before him,

572
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: Luke Falk, played in, and they had similar numbers. But

573
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Speaker 1: Luke Falk is not nearly the player they're going to miss.

574
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Speaker 1: You has proven to be as an NFL player. And

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Speaker 1: then when you hear David talked about his accuracy, I

576
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,760
Speaker 1: think that is the one thing from a measurable standpoint.

577
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Speaker 1: I don't know if I took enough time when I

578
00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,880
Speaker 1: was watching the tape to really chart, man, are these

579
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Speaker 1: balls consistently within the strike zone? Like is he is

580
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Speaker 1: consistently hitting it in that framework of the body. Because

581
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Speaker 1: everyone talks about accuracy decision making, two biggest things that

582
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Speaker 1: your quarterbacks have to have, and I think I might

583
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Speaker 1: have been a little dismissive of its completion percentage at

584
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Speaker 1: Washington State because everybody complete a high number of their

585
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,120
Speaker 1: passes in that system and didn't spend enough time really

586
00:28:04,240 --> 00:28:07,880
Speaker 1: focusing in on a let me chart how this guy

587
00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: hits the strike zone and that is my true gauge

588
00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:13,960
Speaker 1: of how accuratey he is and if those skills would

589
00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:17,159
Speaker 1: translate to the next level. Well, let me give you

590
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Speaker 1: another little um nugget here, because I was talking with

591
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Speaker 1: somebody yesterday that's been on the quarterback tour. So the

592
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:23,760
Speaker 1: way this works for a lot of these teams, if

593
00:28:23,760 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: you're in the market for a quarterback, he'll send your

594
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Speaker 1: top level scouts and executives out to see all the

595
00:28:28,760 --> 00:28:30,960
Speaker 1: top guys. And so this guy was in the middle

596
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 1: of his tour going around seeing all these different players,

597
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:34,639
Speaker 1: and we started talking about the current group, but then

598
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: we also started talking about the guys last year, and

599
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:39,040
Speaker 1: when men Show's name came up, buck he brought up

600
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: a great point and I feel like we've touched I

601
00:28:40,880 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: know we talked about this with Sam Donald, but he

602
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 1: said with Gardner Minshew, there were he had like three

603
00:28:45,920 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 1: comeback games where they were down late and he made

604
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: big time plays, big time throws and lead his team back.

605
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: Like there's you gotta have those moments obviously, you know

606
00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,520
Speaker 1: to ah To, I had that moment on the biggest

607
00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:59,960
Speaker 1: stage there was. We talked about Sam Donald, the Tech,

608
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: this game, the Washington game, there was. There was big

609
00:29:03,080 --> 00:29:05,360
Speaker 1: moments for them. And I don't necessarily talk about you

610
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,239
Speaker 1: need to play in a national championship game. I'm saying, hey,

611
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: you maybe your team's down late. What do you do

612
00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: in those moments? And it was It was fascinating because

613
00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 1: you know, I would love to go back through a

614
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,040
Speaker 1: lot of these quarterbacks and and research that you know

615
00:29:17,160 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: and not sometimes they don't even win the game. I

616
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: want to say with Daniel Jones, Um, they were playing Miami.

617
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: He had made a bunch of big throws and uh

618
00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,880
Speaker 1: and they ended up maybe losing late. Um, but he

619
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:29,080
Speaker 1: had put their their team and inferior team that he

620
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,320
Speaker 1: was playing with. He gave them the lead late in

621
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Speaker 1: the game. So we have to figure out a way

622
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,480
Speaker 1: where we can do that. I know you can do

623
00:29:34,520 --> 00:29:36,680
Speaker 1: it statistically, but to be able to find out, you know,

624
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,240
Speaker 1: fourth quarter drives to give your team the lead, do

625
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,880
Speaker 1: you have those moments. And one of the interesting things

626
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:44,880
Speaker 1: was he mentioned that in this executive listens to our

627
00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: podcast and he said, he said, I heard you and Bucky,

628
00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: and I think it was probably mostly me on this

629
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 1: one because it bugged me to death. But when when

630
00:29:52,680 --> 00:29:55,240
Speaker 1: Herbert against Auburn on the last play of the game

631
00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,800
Speaker 1: on the hill, Mary threw it yards out of the

632
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:00,280
Speaker 1: back of the end zone, it was like, he doesn't

633
00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 1: have like when are his moments? He doesn't really have

634
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 1: those moments throughout his career. It was and I have

635
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: to go back and dig like to that, But I

636
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 1: think there's something to that. There's absolutely something to it.

637
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 1: I think DJ. I know we have talked about it's

638
00:30:14,480 --> 00:30:17,720
Speaker 1: multiple times on the podcast. We talked about like, look,

639
00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:19,959
Speaker 1: we can we can talk about all the physical characteristics

640
00:30:20,040 --> 00:30:21,880
Speaker 1: that a franchise quarterback has to have. We can talk

641
00:30:21,880 --> 00:30:25,280
Speaker 1: about the intangible qualities. But there's a field I've heard

642
00:30:25,320 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: you talk about a not over my dead body, that's

643
00:30:28,400 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 1: what he exhibits. Not over my dead body. We're winning

644
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 1: this game this and that I equated to does he

645
00:30:35,760 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: bring about hope if I'm on defense and we're on

646
00:30:40,200 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 1: the field and we say if we can get us

647
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:45,400
Speaker 1: stop and just give the ball back to our guy,

648
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: he will find a way to win it. That's what

649
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 1: franchise quarterbacks have to have. That's what they have to exude.

650
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 1: Some of that, for me, goes back to playing with

651
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,480
Speaker 1: the Brett Farve, playing with the Jim Kelly, even playing

652
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:59,080
Speaker 1: with the rich Gannon. You feel like, if I can

653
00:30:59,160 --> 00:31:02,480
Speaker 1: just give them one more opportunity, one more bite to apple,

654
00:31:02,560 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: they'll find a way to get it done. And so

655
00:31:04,720 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: for all of the numbers and the analytics and the

656
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:10,400
Speaker 1: film that we watch, there's a sense and a belief

657
00:31:10,520 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 1: that you get that my quarterback will find a way

658
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:15,840
Speaker 1: to get us into the end zone if he gets

659
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,640
Speaker 1: another opportunity, and if it doesn't happen, is not because

660
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,920
Speaker 1: he he didn't have the guts. It is because some

661
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: for whatever reason, we ran out of time, we ran

662
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:29,400
Speaker 1: out of opportunity and those things, but not because the

663
00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:33,320
Speaker 1: quarterbacks shrank in those big moments. Yeah, I mean, I think, look,

664
00:31:33,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: Baker is not having a great year this year, but

665
00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,200
Speaker 1: I think Baker Mayfield is very talented. He's gonna have

666
00:31:37,320 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: a long term career. And I think you look at

667
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: his moments he had at Oklahoma, obviously Nick Bosa remembered

668
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: one of them based off the money man. But but

669
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 1: he had but he had their moments. And I mean

670
00:31:48,920 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: you can go through a long list of guys that

671
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,320
Speaker 1: have had their moments. Which is gonna lead us beautifully

672
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: into our next conversation, because we're gonna get a chance

673
00:31:55,480 --> 00:31:57,280
Speaker 1: right now, Buck to talk to somebody who had a

674
00:31:57,360 --> 00:32:00,600
Speaker 1: quarterback that I think everybody's quite familiar with his late

675
00:32:00,680 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: game her Rooks uh In Deshaun Watson. Here's our conversation

676
00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:06,520
Speaker 1: with Dablo Sweeney. All right, Buck, so excited to have

677
00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 1: Coach Sweeney with us. Coach, first of all, I gotta

678
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: ask you about Deshaun Watson. Obviously, you know him so

679
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: well from your time there at CLEMPS and all the

680
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:17,400
Speaker 1: success you enjoyed. I'm just curious your take. You know,

681
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: he had a little adversity the week before last, and

682
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: uh and the way he responded to that adversity this week,

683
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,960
Speaker 1: all we did was throw five touchdowns, no picks, perfect

684
00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: passer rating in a big win. That does anything he

685
00:32:29,000 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: does do? Does there anything surprise you anymore? No? I

686
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,840
Speaker 1: mean that's just who he is. Man. I mean, I

687
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: I go back all those people that there's a lot

688
00:32:38,840 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: of smart people that felt like he should be a

689
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 1: third round pick or second fourth round pick. Uh. You know,

690
00:32:45,800 --> 00:32:48,240
Speaker 1: he wasn't even the best quarterback in the A C C.

691
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,479
Speaker 1: And and I I just would scratch my head. Uh.

692
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:56,000
Speaker 1: I don't know how Uh people can miss some of

693
00:32:56,040 --> 00:32:58,760
Speaker 1: the intangibles that I think it takes to win. He

694
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 1: he's special. You know, he's not six four. Uh, you know,

695
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:08,560
Speaker 1: he doesn't look like maybe some guys look, but man,

696
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:12,080
Speaker 1: if you could cut that guy open his heart, seven

697
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:15,400
Speaker 1: ft tall and to fifty and runs four four. And

698
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 1: I mean, he's just special. And he's a preparer. Uh.

699
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:24,160
Speaker 1: Nobody's perfect. But I think that what makes what separates

700
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: great players and teams is how they respond, whether it

701
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: be to success or to failure, to criticism, you know,

702
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,880
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. Or maybe he just played bad.

703
00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 1: You know how you respond. And and that guy is

704
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,160
Speaker 1: he is the ultimate preparer. He's a gym rat. He

705
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: he does not get the credit. And that was the

706
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: thing I tried to I tried to tell everybody when

707
00:33:51,680 --> 00:33:55,360
Speaker 1: he was coming out, you have no idea how focused

708
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 1: this young person is. He graduated in two and a

709
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 1: half years, all right, you can watch all the tape

710
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:07,280
Speaker 1: you want. He beat him all the best, the best. Oh,

711
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:10,000
Speaker 1: by the way, went down the field against Alabama with

712
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: two minutes. Uh, nobody does that to win a national championship.

713
00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 1: And uh, but it's his preparation, it's his focus. Graduated

714
00:34:18,880 --> 00:34:21,120
Speaker 1: in two and a half years. And he's just one

715
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:23,680
Speaker 1: of those guys. He's so busy being great. He doesn't

716
00:34:23,719 --> 00:34:29,640
Speaker 1: get distracted. And he's an unbelievable teammate, high character and

717
00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:31,799
Speaker 1: and just you know, and he has a skill set

718
00:34:31,920 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: that's unique because he can make every throw. But sometimes

719
00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 1: he makes it look effortless. Uh it's just it's just

720
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:42,600
Speaker 1: and he's savvy, you know. It's like he's got eyes

721
00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,759
Speaker 1: and all around his head. Uh. Like the scramble that

722
00:34:45,840 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: he made last I don't know if it might have

723
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: been two games ago. He scrambled and then dumped it

724
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,439
Speaker 1: off and the guy runs for a touchdown. Uh. He's

725
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: he's yeah, he's great with his feet. Uh, he understands protections.

726
00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: He's just Uh, he's just a he's just a great competitor.

727
00:35:02,160 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 1: And you listen, this is his second year you know,

728
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: for full time. You know, his first year he won

729
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,560
Speaker 1: the job. Then he got hurt after a few games,

730
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,000
Speaker 1: and and uh, you know last year he makes the

731
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: I guess the Pro Bowl, And uh, he's just he's

732
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: something and he loves it. He loves to play. And

733
00:35:18,400 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 1: and the Texans have got better pieces around him. Now,

734
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: you know, they've got a little bit of a running game. Uh,

735
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 1: they've gotten better up front. Um, and then they've got

736
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: more than just you know, DeAndre outside, They've got a

737
00:35:30,000 --> 00:35:34,000
Speaker 1: couple more guys that can take some pressure off of News. So, uh,

738
00:35:34,080 --> 00:35:38,280
Speaker 1: he's special. You know, coach, when you have a special

739
00:35:38,400 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: player like that, what are some of the things that

740
00:35:41,360 --> 00:35:45,359
Speaker 1: you learn from coaching a guy like that? Yeah, I learned.

741
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,239
Speaker 1: Uh you know, you get a guy around, a guy

742
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: like that just just you learn from their poise. Uh.

743
00:35:52,080 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 1: And then again you learn from how detailed great players

744
00:35:56,120 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: want to be coached, you know, and they want details,

745
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: they want they want they don't want to just you know,

746
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:05,239
Speaker 1: go get the job done. They want precision and what

747
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:07,759
Speaker 1: they're doing. And that's the way he was. He was

748
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: a guy that I would watch him at practice once

749
00:36:11,520 --> 00:36:14,560
Speaker 1: his last spring practice, he was coming off that the

750
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:20,280
Speaker 1: a c L or his Uh. Going into his second season,

751
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: he was coming off the A c L surgery, so

752
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:26,480
Speaker 1: he couldn't practice off spring. I am not kidding you.

753
00:36:26,880 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 1: That guy. He stood back behind the hold of the

754
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: offense and most time right by me, and he rapped

755
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: every play mentally, the entire spring. And so just his

756
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: his daily focus, daily focus. And I think the great

757
00:36:45,080 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: ones have that, you know, whether it's Tom Brady, who's

758
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:51,760
Speaker 1: you know, fifty nine years old and he still prepares

759
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,560
Speaker 1: like he's twenty two, and he's doing the same footwork

760
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: drills and he and he and he's passionate about you know,

761
00:36:59,520 --> 00:37:03,839
Speaker 1: game six in the middle of his twenty NFL season. Um,

762
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 1: there's something there's something to be said about that preparation.

763
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: And so for me, you know, watching Deshan Deshaun may

764
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: have made me a better coach. It certainly makes me

765
00:37:14,560 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 1: a better coach when he's on the field, But he

766
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,239
Speaker 1: made me a better coach by watching him prepare, how

767
00:37:19,360 --> 00:37:22,960
Speaker 1: detailed he was, and also watching his poise, you know,

768
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:27,800
Speaker 1: just incredibly poised regardless of the situation. He threw a

769
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:33,000
Speaker 1: pick six, he threw a touchdown, just unbelievably poised. And um,

770
00:37:33,320 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 1: I think, uh, coach, I think we can learn from

771
00:37:35,560 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 1: being around people like that. Coach. That's a phenomenal, you know,

772
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: in evaluation part of things, and you do it every

773
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:43,840
Speaker 1: year when you're going through the recruiting. You know, the

774
00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: the athleticism, that stuff everybody can see. You can see

775
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:48,439
Speaker 1: that on tape. But when I look at the guys

776
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:50,400
Speaker 1: that have been ultra successful, and we talked about a

777
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: couple of them already, you talk about that toughness and

778
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:57,239
Speaker 1: that competitiveness when you're going through the evaluation process, those

779
00:37:57,280 --> 00:38:00,080
Speaker 1: two things in particular, how how do you find that?

780
00:38:00,280 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: And when you're watching the high school kids or visiting

781
00:38:02,320 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 1: with the high school kid, how do you identify whether

782
00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: or not they have that? Yeah, well, I think I

783
00:38:07,239 --> 00:38:10,360
Speaker 1: think you for us. Uh, and if you really study

784
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: our program, we probably offer fewer guys than anybody any

785
00:38:15,280 --> 00:38:19,400
Speaker 1: other Power five program in the country. Uh, we're and

786
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:24,080
Speaker 1: we're usually late to offer. Now Deshaun was an early

787
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 1: offer for me. We don't offer freshman and sophomores unless

788
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:31,360
Speaker 1: it comes directly from me. But I need to know guys.

789
00:38:31,440 --> 00:38:34,160
Speaker 1: I think, especially at the quarterback position, you have to

790
00:38:34,200 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 1: spend time with them. You've got to really study them.

791
00:38:36,920 --> 00:38:39,799
Speaker 1: You you gotta watch the bad games. Don't just watch

792
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,440
Speaker 1: the highlight tape. You know, watch the bad plays. You know,

793
00:38:43,520 --> 00:38:46,040
Speaker 1: obviously you're gonna do all your due diligence and research

794
00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:48,719
Speaker 1: and talking to other people. But I think, you know,

795
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:52,680
Speaker 1: in this this highlight world that we live in, a

796
00:38:52,760 --> 00:38:54,719
Speaker 1: lot of people don't do their due diligence and they

797
00:38:54,760 --> 00:38:57,319
Speaker 1: don't go through and watch games. They don't watch them,

798
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:01,400
Speaker 1: uh respond you know, after a bad play or whatever.

799
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:03,680
Speaker 1: But for me, it just comes to get I just

800
00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,160
Speaker 1: gotta get to know him and then what's their background?

801
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:10,120
Speaker 1: You know, uh, you know, and and and all those things.

802
00:39:10,200 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: And for the Shawn, he started coming to camp eighth

803
00:39:13,239 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 1: ninth grade and and you know, then you go, I

804
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 1: watch him deal with what he's dealing with with his mom,

805
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 1: and he was so focused and he calls me as

806
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,719
Speaker 1: a sophomore, and I love this kid. I mean, he

807
00:39:23,840 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 1: was one of them. And he's like, coach, I'm committing

808
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:29,520
Speaker 1: to Clemson. I'm like Sean, that's like two years from now. No,

809
00:39:29,640 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: I'm coming to Clemson and uh, but just focused. And

810
00:39:34,280 --> 00:39:37,120
Speaker 1: the greatest players that I've had, that's the characteristic that

811
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: they have all had unbelievable focus. The guys that have

812
00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: been distracted with all the recruiting and all the stuff.

813
00:39:44,600 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 1: They don't know what they want, you know, all that mess. Uh,

814
00:39:50,400 --> 00:39:53,600
Speaker 1: it usually hasn't gone as well. And uh so so

815
00:39:53,760 --> 00:39:56,359
Speaker 1: I just I just try to get to know him. Uh,

816
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,160
Speaker 1: try to watch the take, we try to get him

817
00:39:59,200 --> 00:40:02,600
Speaker 1: to camp. Uh and then uh, you know, try to

818
00:40:02,680 --> 00:40:05,400
Speaker 1: dig a little deeper other than just you know, canny

819
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:08,439
Speaker 1: spin it. Can he move? Uh and all those type

820
00:40:08,480 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: of things. You know, what's that mental makeup to go

821
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: along with all the skill set that he has? You know,

822
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:16,759
Speaker 1: Coach is interesting because I'm really close to one of

823
00:40:16,800 --> 00:40:19,839
Speaker 1: your former players, Dexter. Lawrence Dexter played for my dad.

824
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 1: Dexter played for my dad in high school and wait

825
00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 1: for us. Yeah, and so Dexter always would rave about

826
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,360
Speaker 1: the culture that you've created down in Clemson. He just

827
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 1: talked about how great of a man you were, how

828
00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:34,960
Speaker 1: great the program was for our listeners. What is the

829
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: culture down in Clemson? What is it about? What? What

830
00:40:38,520 --> 00:40:40,879
Speaker 1: have you put in place to help young people grow

831
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 1: and thrive? Relationship? Love? You know, we serve their hearts,

832
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,839
Speaker 1: not their talent, and uh you know we we are

833
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: program is about what's best for the players. And you know,

834
00:40:53,360 --> 00:40:55,880
Speaker 1: now sometimes what's best for the players. The players don't like,

835
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 1: but I think at the end of the day, you know,

836
00:40:58,360 --> 00:41:02,000
Speaker 1: there's an old saying that says, rules without relationship leads

837
00:41:02,040 --> 00:41:05,760
Speaker 1: to rebellion. And uh, you know, we we have relationships

838
00:41:05,960 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: and we we we have transparency and we communicate lots

839
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:13,040
Speaker 1: of trust and respect and communication. We've built a family

840
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,600
Speaker 1: atmosphere that's very real and genuine. It's not something you

841
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:22,160
Speaker 1: can fabricate. We appreciate each other. We we talk about appreciation. Uh.

842
00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:25,960
Speaker 1: We we teach servant leadership. You know, nobody's better than

843
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 1: anybody else. How can you how can you uh uh

844
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: uh brighten somebody's day? You know, so we we just

845
00:41:34,440 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: every day. It's just woven into our culture here. We

846
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,840
Speaker 1: create opportunities for our players, certainly as as football players,

847
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: but more importantly as men, you know, through our Paul

848
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 1: Journey program. And but at the end of the day,

849
00:41:47,800 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: it comes down to you know, it's not just the

850
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: people involved, but the intentions of the people involved. You know,

851
00:41:55,960 --> 00:41:59,880
Speaker 1: we're very intentional in what we do. And uh, you know,

852
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,680
Speaker 1: it's about graduating our players and equipping them with the

853
00:42:02,719 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 1: tools that they need to be successful on and off

854
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 1: the field. Uh, it's about making sure they have a

855
00:42:07,400 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 1: great experience and that they win. But it's in that order,

856
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: and so everything in our program is geared towards that

857
00:42:14,120 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: and uh and and so you know, we just try

858
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,560
Speaker 1: to live it every single day. You can. You can

859
00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:23,400
Speaker 1: put up something on a wall and it can be wallpaper,

860
00:42:24,760 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 1: or you can live it. And so we try to

861
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 1: live it. And again, it's relationship driven. You just I mean,

862
00:42:31,000 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 1: I just love them. I love what I do, I

863
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: love where I am. I love my players. I've got

864
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: three sons. I look at all these guys as my sons.

865
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:41,400
Speaker 1: I've been a player. Um, I understand how hard it is,

866
00:42:41,480 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: but I want my My whole philosophy of coaching is

867
00:42:46,360 --> 00:42:48,800
Speaker 1: is I care more about the thirty year old version

868
00:42:48,880 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 1: of them than I do the eight team, the twenty

869
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,400
Speaker 1: two year old version of them. And and that's how

870
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,480
Speaker 1: I want to That's how I want to deal with them,

871
00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,640
Speaker 1: because we all know you think differently thirty than you

872
00:43:00,719 --> 00:43:04,239
Speaker 1: did it and and so I just try to I

873
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:07,400
Speaker 1: just try to, uh, lead with love and lead with

874
00:43:07,520 --> 00:43:11,000
Speaker 1: wisdom and uh and and just you know, I'm tough

875
00:43:11,080 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: on these guys now, I'm dextrov first one to day.

876
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:19,399
Speaker 1: I'm tough on them, but they do care. I know that. Coach, Coach,

877
00:43:19,480 --> 00:43:21,719
Speaker 1: you you have the culture, you have the success. It's all.

878
00:43:21,800 --> 00:43:23,879
Speaker 1: It's all rolling their clemps. And I'm just curious going

879
00:43:23,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 1: back to your time as a player at Alabama at

880
00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,960
Speaker 1: that point in time, I mean, college football is pretty regional,

881
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: right and I'm sure most of the guys on your

882
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:33,399
Speaker 1: team there grew up in Alabama in the neighboring states.

883
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 1: Now it's the point, especially the place where you're at.

884
00:43:35,920 --> 00:43:37,680
Speaker 1: You're getting kids from up in the Northeast. You go

885
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: get Wilkins from the Northeast. You've got kids from California,

886
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:42,440
Speaker 1: You've got kids from all over the country. I'm just

887
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:45,440
Speaker 1: curious how it's different and the way it is now

888
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 1: when you were a player, as the way the game

889
00:43:47,680 --> 00:43:49,440
Speaker 1: is right now in terms of just blending all these

890
00:43:49,440 --> 00:43:52,560
Speaker 1: different people from all these different places. Oh man, it's

891
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,960
Speaker 1: so different. Well, first of all, you know, when I

892
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 1: was a player, you didn't get to do stuff like

893
00:43:57,080 --> 00:43:59,520
Speaker 1: whatever this is called skype? Or what are we doing?

894
00:44:00,080 --> 00:44:07,520
Speaker 1: Time and half stuff. You know, my girlfriend, my my wife,

895
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:10,080
Speaker 1: when I first went to college, she was still she

896
00:44:10,280 --> 00:44:12,680
Speaker 1: was a year behind me, and I mean I remember

897
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: calling home and you know, you go over to the wall,

898
00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 1: pick the phone off the wall, you know, you you

899
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:22,759
Speaker 1: dial the number, you know, you know, and like, hey,

900
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:24,600
Speaker 1: how you doing, Oh yeah, a great day, Okay, love

901
00:44:24,680 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: you bye, and you hang up because it was like

902
00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:30,839
Speaker 1: two dollars a second or something. And uh, you know now,

903
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:34,440
Speaker 1: so it was so it was regional. You would literally

904
00:44:34,520 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 1: go get the newspaper and you didn't know what the

905
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 1: news was until the next day. You get the newspaper,

906
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 1: go oh wow, did you see what happened yesterday? You know.

907
00:44:44,360 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: And that was the world that we operated in. You

908
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:50,200
Speaker 1: had you had beat writers that covered your local team

909
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:52,800
Speaker 1: and and I mean, I'm in Alabama, but you know,

910
00:44:52,880 --> 00:44:54,719
Speaker 1: nobody in California knew what was going on at the

911
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,640
Speaker 1: University of Alabama. You know, you didn't have a lot

912
00:44:57,719 --> 00:45:00,480
Speaker 1: of the you didn't have social media, you didn't have

913
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,480
Speaker 1: cell phones. So it was different. So so it has

914
00:45:03,560 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: certainly changed. And now the world has become a very

915
00:45:07,600 --> 00:45:11,200
Speaker 1: small place. You can send a picture to China. You

916
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:16,239
Speaker 1: can do a sit down interview in person with coach

917
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:19,080
Speaker 1: Sweeney at Clemson from wherever y'all are, I don't even

918
00:45:19,120 --> 00:45:24,240
Speaker 1: know where y'all are We're in California, coach. The places

919
00:45:24,280 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: are y'all in the same place. Y'all different places, different places,

920
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 1: so we're all different places and we're happening this live interview.

921
00:45:33,120 --> 00:45:36,359
Speaker 1: So it's it's made the world small. And it's been

922
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: interesting because now I have kids that I meet, Like

923
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:43,200
Speaker 1: I I have a receiver on our team, uh from

924
00:45:43,280 --> 00:45:47,680
Speaker 1: Sacramento named Joseph and Gatta, And he's unbelievable. He he

925
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,399
Speaker 1: could end up being the best we've ever had here.

926
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,960
Speaker 1: He's unbelievable. And I'm like, I'm not going to Sacramento

927
00:45:53,200 --> 00:45:55,520
Speaker 1: to recruit a white out, you know. And I'm like,

928
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,080
Speaker 1: why am I going out there? Well, you look to

929
00:45:57,160 --> 00:45:59,320
Speaker 1: take my place pretty good. Well, then you start researching

930
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:02,080
Speaker 1: guys kind of fits our culture. And then I start

931
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:05,439
Speaker 1: talking to the guy and he starts telling me all

932
00:46:05,520 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: this stuff he knows about Clemson and you know, and

933
00:46:08,280 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: and so I've had to kind of change how I

934
00:46:10,239 --> 00:46:12,800
Speaker 1: think a little, because I mean, this is my eleventh

935
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:14,279
Speaker 1: year and so a lot of these he was like

936
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: seven six seven, so his whole life version of Clemson,

937
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 1: you know, the new Copkins, all these guys Sammy and

938
00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:28,320
Speaker 1: Taj and Sean. And so that's what he knows because

939
00:46:28,600 --> 00:46:30,279
Speaker 1: it's easy for him. He can watch it on the

940
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,879
Speaker 1: internet every day. He's got social media's on ESPN, every

941
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,440
Speaker 1: game is on TV. Now it's just and so it

942
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:40,640
Speaker 1: has made things. Um, there is no long distance anymore.

943
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,880
Speaker 1: And used to you didn't want to ever go somewhere

944
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:44,640
Speaker 1: because you can never see your family. Well now they

945
00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: face time them every day every day. Hey Mom, what

946
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:49,680
Speaker 1: are you doing. Yeah, good to see you. Okay, what

947
00:46:49,760 --> 00:46:51,960
Speaker 1: are you having breakfast? What are you having breakasts? And

948
00:46:52,000 --> 00:46:53,680
Speaker 1: then you know, okay, I have a good day, Bob.

949
00:46:54,880 --> 00:46:58,080
Speaker 1: It's just it's just a it's a different dynamic than

950
00:46:58,160 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: where it was back in those days. And uh, and

951
00:47:01,200 --> 00:47:05,280
Speaker 1: and everybody you know, from a media standpoint knows exactly

952
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,880
Speaker 1: everything happened instantly. You know. I still like a newspaper,

953
00:47:09,960 --> 00:47:12,000
Speaker 1: but I don't ever get a newspaper unless I go

954
00:47:12,080 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: to the beach and I buy the little local beach

955
00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: paper because I want to read the locals. Uh, who

956
00:47:18,360 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 1: reads the paper. I just go to USA Today on

957
00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:23,640
Speaker 1: my phone or whatever, or it's a or it's a

958
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:28,239
Speaker 1: live notification. Yeah, you know, Uh, it comes to you.

959
00:47:28,360 --> 00:47:30,360
Speaker 1: You don't have to go to that I don't have

960
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,400
Speaker 1: to look up and see what happened beat the Browns

961
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,960
Speaker 1: and you know they're four and oh or whatever. So

962
00:47:37,520 --> 00:47:39,400
Speaker 1: it's just an instant world that we live in and

963
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:42,000
Speaker 1: we're and it's very much connected that way. From an

964
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: information standpoint, Hey, coach, we have a lot of uh,

965
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: aspiring coaches and people that want to be in front

966
00:47:47,840 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: offices that that tune into the podcast. And I'm a

967
00:47:51,239 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 1: first year head coach at a high school, so I

968
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: pay close attention to how you've built your program. And

969
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: so if you could go back and think about, you know,

970
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,520
Speaker 1: where you were as a coach before you were head coach,

971
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: how did you come up with your vision and like

972
00:48:06,280 --> 00:48:09,040
Speaker 1: how ahead of the curve was it to think about

973
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 1: if I ever get a program, this is what I

974
00:48:10,960 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: would like it to be about. This is how we

975
00:48:12,920 --> 00:48:14,920
Speaker 1: like to build the culture and all those things. Because

976
00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: you're respected as one of the best culture builders in

977
00:48:18,400 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: the country and so I think our guys would just

978
00:48:21,040 --> 00:48:23,879
Speaker 1: like to hear how you could envision Clemson being where

979
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:28,160
Speaker 1: Clemson is today. Well, I think the first thing is is, uh,

980
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,320
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta be who you are, uh and

981
00:48:31,640 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: whatever it is you're doing, Um, you know, you have

982
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:38,520
Speaker 1: to be true and authentic to the person you are

983
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,840
Speaker 1: and figure out what your philosophy is gonna be. Everybody

984
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:44,280
Speaker 1: has to have a philosophy. And for me, I started

985
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: developing when I got into coaching in nine I started

986
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 1: to develop a philosophy of being a head coach. One day,

987
00:48:51,560 --> 00:48:53,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know if I'd ever be a head coach,

988
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:57,520
Speaker 1: but I started planning for it, and I started learning,

989
00:48:57,600 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: and I started preparing and and so the first thing

990
00:49:00,200 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: is you have to have a vision for what you

991
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,680
Speaker 1: want something to look like. You know, the Bible even

992
00:49:04,719 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 1: says that, right, you know, it says it says if

993
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: you fail to dream, you lose your vision, and without vision,

994
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: man shall perish. So you got to dream, and you've

995
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:15,359
Speaker 1: got to think. You know, there's a lot of times

996
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: we get so busy now we don't take time to think.

997
00:49:19,400 --> 00:49:23,960
Speaker 1: I literally schedule time to think and and uh and

998
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:26,600
Speaker 1: so for me, it started at at at an early

999
00:49:27,400 --> 00:49:29,479
Speaker 1: time in my career, I started just putting a book

1000
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: together of things I like, things I didn't like. I

1001
00:49:32,520 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 1: like to write notes. Um, you know, whether it be

1002
00:49:36,160 --> 00:49:38,600
Speaker 1: hey this, if I was a head coach, here's what

1003
00:49:38,719 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 1: I here's what I believe in academically, Here's what I

1004
00:49:41,080 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: would want my offensive philosophy be. Here's what I would

1005
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,120
Speaker 1: want my defensive philosophy to be. Here's the type of

1006
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: staff I would want to be. I used to I

1007
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: used to put staff names, like half of them I

1008
00:49:51,480 --> 00:49:53,320
Speaker 1: didn't even know. But I'd be like, man, if I

1009
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: get a head job, I like that guy be somebody

1010
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 1: meet on the recruiting trail, and I'd be like, one

1011
00:49:57,440 --> 00:49:58,840
Speaker 1: of these days I might get man, I used the

1012
00:49:58,880 --> 00:50:00,879
Speaker 1: guy I need to keep his name, And I'd start

1013
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:05,240
Speaker 1: writing these names down of offensive guys and defensive guys

1014
00:50:05,320 --> 00:50:10,400
Speaker 1: and and then uh oh recruiting, recruiting, strategy, recruiting, uh,

1015
00:50:10,560 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: philosophy uh and then just program stuff and core values

1016
00:50:14,760 --> 00:50:16,920
Speaker 1: and and all these things. And what do we want

1017
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:18,319
Speaker 1: to be about? Like what are you gonna hang your

1018
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:20,480
Speaker 1: hat on? Somebody? You got if somebody walks up to you.

1019
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,440
Speaker 1: You've got to have a vision for what what you

1020
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,439
Speaker 1: wanted to look like. It's probably if you're getting a job,

1021
00:50:27,640 --> 00:50:31,840
Speaker 1: it's probably a mess today, all right. So most jobs

1022
00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:34,760
Speaker 1: and coaching very do you just get They're like, whoa,

1023
00:50:35,239 --> 00:50:40,640
Speaker 1: this is the greatest job ever. Uh. And so you

1024
00:50:40,840 --> 00:50:43,479
Speaker 1: have to have a clear vision for what you wanted

1025
00:50:43,520 --> 00:50:45,560
Speaker 1: to look like, and you've got to be able to

1026
00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:48,680
Speaker 1: articulate that, and then you gotta be able to create

1027
00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: the buy in. And the only way you do that

1028
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: is you've got to have a plan and then and

1029
00:50:53,080 --> 00:50:57,359
Speaker 1: then you've got to understand early on that there's probably

1030
00:50:57,400 --> 00:51:00,360
Speaker 1: gonna be a come to Jesus moment somewhere early. And

1031
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:02,759
Speaker 1: that's just the way it is. And you know what,

1032
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,360
Speaker 1: you can't bat an eye man and you And the

1033
00:51:06,440 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 1: other thing I tell young coaches is focus on having

1034
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: a great program, you know, don't focus on just having

1035
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:18,960
Speaker 1: a great team. So many people they compromise and they

1036
00:51:19,040 --> 00:51:23,600
Speaker 1: take shortcuts to have a great team, you know, for example,

1037
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: and there's nothing wrong with it. But but for me,

1038
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:31,080
Speaker 1: I don't sign juco players or transfers just and I

1039
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:36,160
Speaker 1: made that decision in two thousand nine. And because my

1040
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,680
Speaker 1: mindset is I want to develop through the draft. I

1041
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:41,680
Speaker 1: don't want to be lazy in evaluation. I'm gonna we're

1042
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,399
Speaker 1: gonna create a lot of accountability and recruiting. We're gonna

1043
00:51:44,560 --> 00:51:47,080
Speaker 1: we're gonna evaluate well and we're gonna develop well. And

1044
00:51:47,160 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: I won't I want to build a culture that guys know,

1045
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,399
Speaker 1: if they put the work in sooner or later, they're

1046
00:51:51,400 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: gonna have an opportunity. Now, the best player is gonna play.

1047
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 1: But but you know, most time, if you put the

1048
00:51:56,640 --> 00:51:58,160
Speaker 1: work in and you stick it out sooner or later,

1049
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: you're gonna have an opportunity. And and and I didn't

1050
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,879
Speaker 1: want to create an environment whereas the head coach, I'm

1051
00:52:02,960 --> 00:52:06,920
Speaker 1: bailing my assistance out because they're just outsigning guys and

1052
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 1: they're lazy and recruiting, they're lazy and evaluation. Uh, and

1053
00:52:11,440 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 1: then I didn't want to, you know, worry about, uh

1054
00:52:15,640 --> 00:52:19,359
Speaker 1: who who else was recruiting somebody, what what their stars were?

1055
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 1: You know, if that was the case, we don't sign

1056
00:52:21,800 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: Grady Jared who we beat Buffalo to get Grady Jered.

1057
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:29,400
Speaker 1: She's a two star recruit. Grady's pretty good. The bulls

1058
00:52:29,440 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 1: doing work. Yeah, so the best player plays. I mean,

1059
00:52:33,040 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: Hunter Renfro comes in here as a walk on and

1060
00:52:36,120 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: he beat out to five star receivers. They're they're pretty good,

1061
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 1: and they're both are in the and Dion Kane and

1062
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:44,399
Speaker 1: Ray Ray they all came in together. And and Dion

1063
00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,399
Speaker 1: and Ray Ray or in the NFL. But a walk

1064
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: on beat him out, and because that's our culture, and

1065
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: that's not a problem because the guys know we're consistent

1066
00:52:53,560 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: and we're fair and the best player plays period. You're

1067
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,400
Speaker 1: not entitled. So that's the other thing I would say is,

1068
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 1: as you build a culture, don't base it on entitlement.

1069
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: Don't base it on what guys did last year. Base

1070
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 1: it on today, you know. And and having that windshield

1071
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: mentality of it's always about what's next. You know, we

1072
00:53:12,840 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 1: learn and grow from what's in the rear view mirror.

1073
00:53:14,680 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 1: But there's a reason why that review mirror is small

1074
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: and that windshield is big, all right, because our eyes

1075
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:22,440
Speaker 1: should be focused on I start over every year and

1076
00:53:22,520 --> 00:53:24,319
Speaker 1: I you know, I tell Trevor, hey, you were great

1077
00:53:24,440 --> 00:53:26,920
Speaker 1: last year. Awesome, You're gonna have to earn the job again,

1078
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,600
Speaker 1: all right, because that's just the way it is. And

1079
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,960
Speaker 1: that's just you know, that's our culture. And guys buy

1080
00:53:33,040 --> 00:53:36,360
Speaker 1: into that and it creates competition and it and it

1081
00:53:36,560 --> 00:53:40,399
Speaker 1: stamps out complacency, uh and all those type of things.

1082
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:43,360
Speaker 1: So but again, if you don't have the relationships. So

1083
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:46,600
Speaker 1: for me though, becoming a head coach, so I was

1084
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,680
Speaker 1: an assistant for years, I just coached the team the

1085
00:53:49,719 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: way I coached my position. I don't really do anything different.

1086
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:56,040
Speaker 1: I tell coaches practice being a head coach. You're a

1087
00:53:56,120 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 1: head coach of your position. Right now you're the head coach,

1088
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:02,400
Speaker 1: and I try to create that with my staff. I'm like, hey,

1089
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: I want you to be in power do the head

1090
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:06,640
Speaker 1: coach of your position, and you need to learn to

1091
00:54:06,760 --> 00:54:09,480
Speaker 1: think that way. And so maybe one day you get

1092
00:54:09,520 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: the opportunity to be a head coach and you you

1093
00:54:11,560 --> 00:54:13,920
Speaker 1: understand how to build a culture in your room, you

1094
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:19,200
Speaker 1: understand the relationships, you understand tough decisions, and then when

1095
00:54:19,239 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 1: you become the head coach, just coach the team the

1096
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:24,399
Speaker 1: same way. And uh so that I really I don't

1097
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: do anything different than I did coaching wide outs for

1098
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 1: all those years. I just coached the whole team. That

1099
00:54:29,440 --> 00:54:32,160
Speaker 1: this the whole group. The whole groups are wide out.

1100
00:54:32,239 --> 00:54:34,560
Speaker 1: Now That's how I look at it. And uh I'm

1101
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,759
Speaker 1: tough on them. I love them. I get to know him.

1102
00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:40,520
Speaker 1: But I think for me, it started a long time ago,

1103
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:43,920
Speaker 1: and and having that vision and then walking it out

1104
00:54:44,040 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 1: and and then you gotta have belief, you know, you

1105
00:54:46,880 --> 00:54:50,080
Speaker 1: you gotta, especially when you become the head coach, because

1106
00:54:50,080 --> 00:54:52,840
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a lot of opinions, a lot of advice.

1107
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,879
Speaker 1: And I know for me early on, I mean, I'm

1108
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:56,800
Speaker 1: the head coach and they're like, you know, who am I?

1109
00:54:56,840 --> 00:54:58,719
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, I want to I want to

1110
00:54:58,800 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 1: hire a guy to company that pensive coordinator who's coached

1111
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: one year of college eight months of college ball. And

1112
00:55:04,320 --> 00:55:06,880
Speaker 1: everybody's like, no, you gotta go hire this guy and

1113
00:55:07,000 --> 00:55:08,960
Speaker 1: this guy and this guy and this guy. And I'm

1114
00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:11,239
Speaker 1: I'm I'm going down to the Humane Society to get

1115
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:16,480
Speaker 1: a free mutton, you know, to come in here what

1116
00:55:16,640 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: I believe it, you know, And I didn't. I knew

1117
00:55:19,080 --> 00:55:21,439
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. And so at some point

1118
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,480
Speaker 1: you gotta have some conviction and who you are and

1119
00:55:25,640 --> 00:55:29,120
Speaker 1: not not be that person that that gets, you know,

1120
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: convicted back and forth whichever way the wind is blowing,

1121
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:36,560
Speaker 1: you know, or and and so be inside out focused.

1122
00:55:37,200 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 1: That's probably the other thing. Um when the Bible says

1123
00:55:40,280 --> 00:55:43,319
Speaker 1: as a man thinking, so is he. So from day one,

1124
00:55:43,719 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 1: I've always told our team we're gonna change Clemson, but

1125
00:55:47,000 --> 00:55:49,840
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it from the inside out. We cannot

1126
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:53,120
Speaker 1: be distracted by things we don't control, all Right, are

1127
00:55:53,239 --> 00:55:55,840
Speaker 1: things we've never done or things people say we can't do.

1128
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,560
Speaker 1: We need to. Just if we're gonna change it, it's

1129
00:55:58,560 --> 00:56:00,919
Speaker 1: gonna be from the inside out. And if we stay

1130
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:04,000
Speaker 1: focused that way, you know, and have the right belief

1131
00:56:04,480 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: as a man thinking so is he and have a

1132
00:56:06,680 --> 00:56:11,239
Speaker 1: clear vision, then we will blossom on the outside. And uh,

1133
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:14,640
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's happened with our program. Uh. And and

1134
00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: you know a lot of people say we started slow.

1135
00:56:17,120 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 1: I don't. Uh. We we played for the a SEC

1136
00:56:20,360 --> 00:56:23,320
Speaker 1: championship two out of our first three years, but we

1137
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 1: we had to learn how to win. We had to

1138
00:56:26,640 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 1: learn how to handle a verse. In my second year,

1139
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 1: we won six games. First year we played for the championship. Wow,

1140
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:34,640
Speaker 1: second year we won six games. We handled the adversity

1141
00:56:34,840 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 1: that that team intend. To me was the first confirmation

1142
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 1: that I felt like our culture was taking root. And

1143
00:56:41,680 --> 00:56:43,440
Speaker 1: then we come back in eleven and we go eight

1144
00:56:43,520 --> 00:56:46,319
Speaker 1: no and we're the toast of town, TAJH Boyds at

1145
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: every party, I mean we were we're Wow, this is easy, right,

1146
00:56:50,680 --> 00:56:54,960
Speaker 1: and then we get smashed and and and you know

1147
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:58,120
Speaker 1: we actually actually we beat part of State. We lose

1148
00:56:58,200 --> 00:57:01,400
Speaker 1: at Georgia Tech, and then we ast NC State, but

1149
00:57:01,480 --> 00:57:03,279
Speaker 1: then we bounced back and we win the a C

1150
00:57:03,480 --> 00:57:06,040
Speaker 1: C won ten games, so we had to learn how

1151
00:57:06,120 --> 00:57:09,240
Speaker 1: to handle success too, and then we just kind of steadily.

1152
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 1: So yes, So it's a long answer to the question,

1153
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 1: but it's great answer. Great answer, coach. I love it.

1154
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: I love it. I can hear, I can hear we

1155
00:57:19,360 --> 00:57:21,280
Speaker 1: have mutual friend in John Gordon. I just hear. I

1156
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,320
Speaker 1: hear a lot of him come out in the way

1157
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:27,240
Speaker 1: you speak. And I absolutely we've got pages. This is

1158
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:28,760
Speaker 1: one of the things we like having people like you

1159
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: on because we've got pages full of notes here um

1160
00:57:31,440 --> 00:57:33,360
Speaker 1: that we can take with us. I know everybody listens

1161
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,280
Speaker 1: to this, enjoys it, so we appreciate your time. Coach.

1162
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:38,880
Speaker 1: You guys are rolling. Keep it going. Man, thanks thanks

1163
00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: so much. Got it. You'll have fun, don't Xcelo, for sure,

1164
00:57:42,320 --> 00:57:44,080
Speaker 1: I will do. Hey, DJ, I know we've had a

1165
00:57:44,160 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 1: lot of coaches come on, a lot of team build

1166
00:57:46,400 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: us come on, but that might have been one of

1167
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,280
Speaker 1: the best interviews that we've had, not only from a

1168
00:57:51,360 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 1: coach just kind of talking about his culture and describing

1169
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: his players, but really letting us go behind the curtain

1170
00:57:59,280 --> 00:58:02,200
Speaker 1: to really see what he's being able to build with

1171
00:58:02,280 --> 00:58:04,720
Speaker 1: the help of his coaches and the townsed players that

1172
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:08,960
Speaker 1: he's recruited. But to see what he's built at Clemson,

1173
00:58:09,080 --> 00:58:11,760
Speaker 1: and I can tell you, having played in North Carolina,

1174
00:58:12,000 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 1: having played Clemson when Clemson had Danny Ford and the

1175
00:58:16,480 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 1: history and the legacy, to watch this team go from

1176
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: being what I would call a regional power to being

1177
00:58:23,200 --> 00:58:27,440
Speaker 1: a national powerhouse and my time is really unbelievable because

1178
00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:29,160
Speaker 1: I can say this, Look, man, I grew up a

1179
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: tar Hill fan. I grew up watching Lawrence Taylor play,

1180
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:36,600
Speaker 1: and Lawrence Taylor actually um b Clemson in depthautly. I

1181
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:38,120
Speaker 1: want to say in nineteen as the last time to

1182
00:58:38,160 --> 00:58:40,400
Speaker 1: Carolina is beating them down there and won an a

1183
00:58:40,520 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: c C title. Clemson dominated, but they've never dominated to

1184
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:46,600
Speaker 1: this degree. To go from being a team that was

1185
00:58:46,680 --> 00:58:49,320
Speaker 1: known for their defense, two known for their offense, to

1186
00:58:49,560 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: being a guy that like for Dabbo, to be a

1187
00:58:51,840 --> 00:58:54,000
Speaker 1: guy who wasn't a coordinator, a guy who was a

1188
00:58:54,040 --> 00:58:57,360
Speaker 1: position coach who was given the interim job when they

1189
00:58:57,400 --> 00:58:59,760
Speaker 1: got rid of Tommy Bowden. But to take it to

1190
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,480
Speaker 1: the a level that he's taken it, Man, he is

1191
00:59:02,520 --> 00:59:06,080
Speaker 1: an outstanding coach, but really an outstanding visionary. That's what

1192
00:59:06,200 --> 00:59:09,600
Speaker 1: he deserves credit for. Well. I thought it was fascinating

1193
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 1: as well. I enjoyed listening to him and I was thinking,

1194
00:59:12,000 --> 00:59:13,720
Speaker 1: you know, when he was talking about the fact that

1195
00:59:14,000 --> 00:59:16,520
Speaker 1: he just had a vision and was able to then

1196
00:59:16,640 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: put that all in place, and I was great. First

1197
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 1: of all, if you're, you know, a position coach, you

1198
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: should be preparing yourself to be a head coach. If

1199
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 1: you're an area scout, you should be preparing yourself to

1200
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: be a general manager. Um constantly adding to your notebook

1201
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,720
Speaker 1: and and different ideas of what you will do if

1202
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:33,600
Speaker 1: you're ever sit in that chair. I thought that was outstanding.

1203
00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:35,040
Speaker 1: And when he talked about the fact that he just

1204
00:59:35,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: made a decision, Look, we're not gonna take transfers when

1205
00:59:37,000 --> 00:59:39,000
Speaker 1: I could take junior college players, not that there's anything

1206
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,040
Speaker 1: wrong with them, and there's other programs. These guys are

1207
00:59:41,040 --> 00:59:44,200
Speaker 1: gonna thrive. And obviously Ohio State with the transfer quarterbacks,

1208
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:46,200
Speaker 1: got a chance to win a national championship this year.

1209
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 1: But what to me, it goes back to of just

1210
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 1: knowing who you are, what you're about, and and sticking

1211
00:59:51,120 --> 00:59:53,040
Speaker 1: to it. We talked about it in the in the

1212
00:59:53,160 --> 00:59:56,480
Speaker 1: summer about having non negotiables, right, Like I went through

1213
00:59:56,720 --> 00:59:59,360
Speaker 1: on you know, position by position and said, look, if

1214
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: you're a corner that cannot find the ball, um that

1215
01:00:02,400 --> 01:00:04,360
Speaker 1: that's going to be an issue for me. Now, sometimes

1216
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:06,560
Speaker 1: that these guys end up improving in that area, but

1217
01:00:06,640 --> 01:00:08,680
Speaker 1: for me, I wasn't gonna jump in on those guys.

1218
01:00:08,760 --> 01:00:10,840
Speaker 1: And um, you know, if you're if you're a pass

1219
01:00:10,920 --> 01:00:14,360
Speaker 1: rusher has no production pass like I'm I'm not, I'm

1220
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:16,360
Speaker 1: not gonna mess with that. So I thought it was

1221
01:00:16,400 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 1: interesting that he had some conviction in areas and he

1222
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,200
Speaker 1: really hasn't deviated. Yeah, look, I think that's the biggest

1223
01:00:21,200 --> 01:00:23,720
Speaker 1: thing that he talked about that he shared conviction. Uh,

1224
01:00:23,880 --> 01:00:26,160
Speaker 1: you have to believe in whatever it is that you believe,

1225
01:00:26,240 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: and you can't be wishy washy about it, like you

1226
01:00:27,960 --> 01:00:29,600
Speaker 1: have to be able to stand up. And I heard

1227
01:00:29,640 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 1: this a long time ago, and it's funny because the

1228
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:33,600
Speaker 1: guy had heard her from with Steve Sarkisian. He said,

1229
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:35,400
Speaker 1: part of being a Hey coach, and maybe the biggest

1230
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:37,840
Speaker 1: part of being a Hey coach is we are in

1231
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:42,440
Speaker 1: the belief selling business. We are selling what we believe

1232
01:00:42,520 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 1: in to our players and if we're convincing enough, our

1233
01:00:46,640 --> 01:00:49,520
Speaker 1: players will buy in and they will exhibit the qualities

1234
01:00:49,600 --> 01:00:51,920
Speaker 1: that we want them to exhibit so that we can

1235
01:00:52,000 --> 01:00:55,960
Speaker 1: win games. And so Dabbo talking about conviction, Dabbo believing

1236
01:00:56,440 --> 01:00:59,840
Speaker 1: in a program being run a certain way, a pro

1237
01:01:00,040 --> 01:01:03,120
Speaker 1: Graham had a certain feel and a certain look to it.

1238
01:01:03,720 --> 01:01:08,280
Speaker 1: I give him credit because his conviction has produced outstanding results.

1239
01:01:08,680 --> 01:01:11,280
Speaker 1: Better yet, when you talk to Clemson players, has also

1240
01:01:11,360 --> 01:01:14,439
Speaker 1: produced a lot of great men. Absolutely. And the last

1241
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:17,160
Speaker 1: thing on that I thought key point when he talked about,

1242
01:01:17,160 --> 01:01:19,760
Speaker 1: don't focus on building a great team, focus on building

1243
01:01:19,800 --> 01:01:22,720
Speaker 1: a great program. And that's true in life that sometimes

1244
01:01:22,720 --> 01:01:24,640
Speaker 1: you've got to sacrifice what you want right now for

1245
01:01:24,760 --> 01:01:27,640
Speaker 1: what you want most um and think about the bigger picture.

1246
01:01:27,680 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: And that's what they've done there with that Clemson program.

1247
01:01:30,200 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 1: Just outstanding buck a lot of fun. Are you ready

1248
01:01:32,560 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: do some hits? And mrs come on it all right,

1249
01:01:35,760 --> 01:01:37,760
Speaker 1: here we go. So this is uh, this is a

1250
01:01:37,800 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 1: report I got right, a report I got wrong. And

1251
01:01:40,200 --> 01:01:42,760
Speaker 1: since we were going through the seventeen draft a little

1252
01:01:42,760 --> 01:01:45,800
Speaker 1: while ago, and we're kind of embarking on that four number,

1253
01:01:45,840 --> 01:01:49,480
Speaker 1: which we have arbitrarily chosen as the it's really it's

1254
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 1: really not. Yeah, if you think about a DJ like this,

1255
01:01:52,600 --> 01:01:55,000
Speaker 1: that's two and a half years just going into your

1256
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,360
Speaker 1: third season like that, stuff like it. Yeah, that's that's

1257
01:01:57,400 --> 01:02:00,040
Speaker 1: like a good number. I think Brian Billick said with

1258
01:02:00,200 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: quarterbacks it takes about thirty to thirty two games thirty

1259
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:04,640
Speaker 1: two stars to kind of figure out what they are.

1260
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:07,160
Speaker 1: So you've given him some some bonus time, you get

1261
01:02:07,200 --> 01:02:10,040
Speaker 1: some bonus reps, A little bonus, yeah, a little bonus. Uh.

1262
01:02:10,120 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: So anyways, this is something that we enjoy doing on here.

1263
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:14,480
Speaker 1: I'm gonna read a report to you, um and then

1264
01:02:14,520 --> 01:02:15,840
Speaker 1: see if you can figure out who it is. So

1265
01:02:15,920 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 1: this is here are two defensive players I'm doing here.

1266
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:22,520
Speaker 1: The first one, uh is an edge rusher and the

1267
01:02:22,600 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 1: second one is a corner all right, all right, here

1268
01:02:24,840 --> 01:02:27,640
Speaker 1: we go. The first one, the first one is um

1269
01:02:28,200 --> 01:02:30,640
Speaker 1: one that I got right and might where I graded

1270
01:02:30,720 --> 01:02:32,480
Speaker 1: him as just really close to where he got picked.

1271
01:02:32,520 --> 01:02:34,640
Speaker 1: And he's been a he's been a great player, all right.

1272
01:02:34,680 --> 01:02:37,000
Speaker 1: This guy was only a one year starter, uh, stand

1273
01:02:37,080 --> 01:02:39,320
Speaker 1: up edge defender, but he's also used as a walk

1274
01:02:39,400 --> 01:02:42,160
Speaker 1: around blitzer at times. Tall athletic frame for the position.

1275
01:02:42,200 --> 01:02:44,800
Speaker 1: He's really fun to study on tape as a pass rusher,

1276
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,880
Speaker 1: quick first step, his hands are outstanding. Doesn't generate much

1277
01:02:47,920 --> 01:02:50,200
Speaker 1: power with his bull rush, but he's very adept at swiping,

1278
01:02:50,280 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 1: way of posing hands and closely and closing quickly to

1279
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,560
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Plays every snap a hundred miles an hour

1280
01:02:56,840 --> 01:02:58,840
Speaker 1: against the run us. His length of stack and shed

1281
01:02:58,920 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: tight ends routinely. His uh speed and effort combination is

1282
01:03:02,120 --> 01:03:05,320
Speaker 1: very effective on the backside. Overall, this player doesn't have

1283
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,400
Speaker 1: a lot of starting experience, but I love his tape.

1284
01:03:07,720 --> 01:03:11,960
Speaker 1: He should develop into an outstanding three four outside linebacker

1285
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:16,520
Speaker 1: at the next level. So that's uh I mean, And

1286
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:19,440
Speaker 1: he was a first he's a first round pick. I

1287
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:22,600
Speaker 1: think I think I got him. I think I got him, Maybell.

1288
01:03:22,640 --> 01:03:24,720
Speaker 1: I think I got this one because I got I

1289
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: got three rounds in front of me. I'm thinking this

1290
01:03:26,800 --> 01:03:31,240
Speaker 1: is t J. Watt from the Pittsburgh Stealers at thirty am.

1291
01:03:31,280 --> 01:03:36,840
Speaker 1: I right ing chicken dinner, chicken dinner dinner. Yeah, I

1292
01:03:36,920 --> 01:03:40,040
Speaker 1: got everything here, alright, Very nice man, t J. Wat.

1293
01:03:40,360 --> 01:03:43,120
Speaker 1: How about that man? He was my thirty sixth player,

1294
01:03:43,280 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: so I was a little behind him. He was the

1295
01:03:45,360 --> 01:03:48,000
Speaker 1: thirtieth pick. Um. But I'm right, and I figure, I'm

1296
01:03:48,000 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 1: gonna count that as a hit because I'm right in

1297
01:03:49,280 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 1: the ballpark and he's been he's been a really good player.

1298
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:55,320
Speaker 1: He's been terrific. It's funny now because DJ Man, like,

1299
01:03:55,400 --> 01:03:57,200
Speaker 1: you know, it was crazy. People forget he's a one

1300
01:03:57,240 --> 01:04:00,400
Speaker 1: year starter. But even what's crazy about it some of

1301
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,120
Speaker 1: the names, Like I know, we kind of get inundated

1302
01:04:03,200 --> 01:04:05,720
Speaker 1: with the draft, and so once a draft is over,

1303
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,840
Speaker 1: we're onto the next. I'm looking at some of these

1304
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:12,040
Speaker 1: names of guys that are drafted. Geez, I don't even

1305
01:04:12,360 --> 01:04:15,000
Speaker 1: saying Buck because I got to do another. Remember some

1306
01:04:15,080 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 1: of these dudes, and some of these dudes are taking

1307
01:04:17,000 --> 01:04:22,560
Speaker 1: in the first round, so unbelievable, unbelievable. All right, are

1308
01:04:22,600 --> 01:04:24,520
Speaker 1: you ready for the second one? I'm ready. I'm ready.

1309
01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,040
Speaker 1: I got, I got my cheese sheet out, I got

1310
01:04:26,080 --> 01:04:27,680
Speaker 1: my cheese sheet out, I got, I got the first

1311
01:04:27,720 --> 01:04:32,280
Speaker 1: three rounds out. I'm ready. Okay, Okay, Well, this is

1312
01:04:32,360 --> 01:04:38,560
Speaker 1: a corner that I liked, Buck I didn't love. Okay,

1313
01:04:38,640 --> 01:04:41,400
Speaker 1: here we go. Uh, this player is a two year

1314
01:04:41,480 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: starter corner outstanding combination of size, speed, and toughness at

1315
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: his best and press coverage, patient flashes a quick two

1316
01:04:49,000 --> 01:04:52,360
Speaker 1: hand jam has the speed to turn in mirror vertical routes.

1317
01:04:52,400 --> 01:04:54,880
Speaker 1: He's fluid to open up underneath and off coverage. He

1318
01:04:55,080 --> 01:04:58,080
Speaker 1: isn't as consistent plays out of a side turn. Has

1319
01:04:58,080 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: struggled versus double moves. Biggest she was playing the ball

1320
01:05:01,040 --> 01:05:03,960
Speaker 1: down the field, which is ironic because I mentioned earlier

1321
01:05:04,080 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: that's a that's a non negotiable for me. And of

1322
01:05:05,840 --> 01:05:07,800
Speaker 1: course this guy's end up being a good player. Uh,

1323
01:05:07,920 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: he's normally in position, but he loses too many fifty

1324
01:05:10,360 --> 01:05:13,680
Speaker 1: fifty balls to wide receivers. He's an aggressive run defender,

1325
01:05:13,720 --> 01:05:15,160
Speaker 1: and he has an edge to him after the play

1326
01:05:15,240 --> 01:05:17,760
Speaker 1: is over. Overall, this player has starting ability, but his

1327
01:05:17,880 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 1: ball awareness down the field is a major concern. MM.

1328
01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:23,520
Speaker 1: Al right, So I'm gonna go to I'm gonna go

1329
01:05:23,560 --> 01:05:25,880
Speaker 1: to a school because I think I have multiple chances

1330
01:05:26,240 --> 01:05:28,600
Speaker 1: to get this one right. So I'm going to the

1331
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:32,680
Speaker 1: school to school this Florida and I'm thinking either Quincy

1332
01:05:32,760 --> 01:05:38,320
Speaker 1: Wilson or Tease Taper either one. No, that is uh,

1333
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:41,400
Speaker 1: that is false. That is false, And that's real guest

1334
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,880
Speaker 1: trade Davis White, which is not true. TuS White's actually

1335
01:05:44,920 --> 01:05:47,480
Speaker 1: a hit from Mr. He's he's a good player. I

1336
01:05:47,520 --> 01:05:50,920
Speaker 1: liked him. Yeah, do you have man? Who do we

1337
01:05:51,000 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: who do we have? Let me again, So you're talking

1338
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 1: about a combination of size, size, speed, toughness. Just worried

1339
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:01,840
Speaker 1: about him playing the ball down the field sass, speed, toughness.

1340
01:06:02,520 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: Uh no, Nabile just guessed the exact same guy you

1341
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:06,680
Speaker 1: already guess. Come on to Bill. You already said to

1342
01:06:06,720 --> 01:06:09,640
Speaker 1: come on. You gotta listen to Bill. So right now,

1343
01:06:09,680 --> 01:06:13,040
Speaker 1: in the first round, I have a Dory Jackson. Uh

1344
01:06:13,480 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: Kevin king Is didn't I get seen Jones, but he's

1345
01:06:15,920 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: been hurt. Gary Connelly hasn't played enough. I'm looking at

1346
01:06:20,640 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 1: this corner a Woozier Killer, Witherspoon, Mo Roe. You know

1347
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:31,760
Speaker 1: if my Roe is playing for the Skins. Shaquille Griffin,

1348
01:06:33,240 --> 01:06:39,439
Speaker 1: Cameron Sutton, Ull Douglas. He had ball skills. I'm at lost, DJ.

1349
01:06:39,960 --> 01:06:44,000
Speaker 1: I mean I gave you my Florida guys. Buck. This

1350
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:50,120
Speaker 1: is a first round pick, right, conference, wrong player? Right,

1351
01:06:50,840 --> 01:06:54,920
Speaker 1: Marlon Humphrey. You don't like Marlon Humphrey. Yes, Marlin Humphrey,

1352
01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,560
Speaker 1: you don't like Marlin Humphrey. Marlon Humphrey was this he

1353
01:06:57,800 --> 01:07:01,720
Speaker 1: was the six pick, right, he was my forty four player.

1354
01:07:02,480 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: I thought Marlin Humphrey was a second round guy who

1355
01:07:04,760 --> 01:07:07,400
Speaker 1: struggled to play the ball. I loved his physicality as athleticism.

1356
01:07:07,960 --> 01:07:10,160
Speaker 1: He's only maybe the best corner NFL right now, he's

1357
01:07:10,280 --> 01:07:12,880
Speaker 1: top three. Um, it's a miss for your guy right there,

1358
01:07:13,080 --> 01:07:18,320
Speaker 1: Marlin Humphrey. Hmm. I've heard Look I heard UH about

1359
01:07:18,360 --> 01:07:21,840
Speaker 1: size talking about size, speed, toughness, like that's that's all him,

1360
01:07:22,840 --> 01:07:24,400
Speaker 1: not my chief sheet. I don't have the size, so

1361
01:07:24,400 --> 01:07:26,600
Speaker 1: I can't remember how I can't remember how tall he is.

1362
01:07:27,280 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: He's a six footer. He's a six footer. Yeah. It's

1363
01:07:29,760 --> 01:07:33,360
Speaker 1: funny because I think D'Angelo Hall on the airways, UH

1364
01:07:33,760 --> 01:07:36,160
Speaker 1: had him listed as are goguably the best corner in

1365
01:07:36,280 --> 01:07:39,560
Speaker 1: all the football. And he's playing great. Yeah, looking great.

1366
01:07:39,600 --> 01:07:42,120
Speaker 1: Look he's playing great. Getting a little a little altercation

1367
01:07:42,160 --> 01:07:44,439
Speaker 1: a little bit with Odell Beckham Jr. But he's taken

1368
01:07:44,480 --> 01:07:49,840
Speaker 1: on um some of the Yeah. So I mean, look, man,

1369
01:07:49,880 --> 01:07:53,720
Speaker 1: it's tough. The position is tough. But um god, DJ

1370
01:07:54,120 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 1: I looked through because I was naming those names, right,

1371
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:58,920
Speaker 1: So you talk about your Davious White has some bad

1372
01:07:59,000 --> 01:08:01,520
Speaker 1: one son being been a good player, but yeah, man,

1373
01:08:02,160 --> 01:08:04,800
Speaker 1: Kevin King starting to come on because I watched him

1374
01:08:04,840 --> 01:08:08,479
Speaker 1: the other night. He played pretty well. Jones, Senny Jones,

1375
01:08:08,760 --> 01:08:10,600
Speaker 1: Senny Jones. I worried about the injury and how much

1376
01:08:10,640 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 1: that took out of him. Then the two guys we

1377
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:14,919
Speaker 1: talked about Wilson and tea table, I mean tease table.

1378
01:08:14,960 --> 01:08:16,760
Speaker 1: The Detroit lines moved on from him. He was the

1379
01:08:16,760 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: second round pick. A Woozier has been solid, like Kello Witherspoon.

1380
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:23,719
Speaker 1: They always talked about in San Francisco being a riser

1381
01:08:23,760 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 1: and up and comer. But then some of the other guys.

1382
01:08:26,320 --> 01:08:29,439
Speaker 1: Man favorite Moreau was a body beautiful, but the injury,

1383
01:08:29,960 --> 01:08:34,479
Speaker 1: um man, it's it's man. It just makes you realize that,

1384
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,920
Speaker 1: you know, when people talk about like what's behind door

1385
01:08:38,040 --> 01:08:42,080
Speaker 1: number one, the accumulation of draft picks and all these things.

1386
01:08:42,600 --> 01:08:45,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm kind of shifting DJ. I think I'm

1387
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,760
Speaker 1: more of give me the proven player as opposed to

1388
01:08:48,840 --> 01:08:52,719
Speaker 1: the possibility, just because I think I'm beginning to realize

1389
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:55,160
Speaker 1: how heart it is to get really really good players.

1390
01:08:55,200 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: So when you think about Alaramie Tunsil versus the two

1391
01:08:59,000 --> 01:09:02,720
Speaker 1: first round picks, I would have a Tennessee. So I

1392
01:09:02,800 --> 01:09:05,360
Speaker 1: said that from the jump. Give me Larry tunsa iknew

1393
01:09:05,360 --> 01:09:08,120
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm getting. I've seen him play and performing.

1394
01:09:08,320 --> 01:09:12,320
Speaker 1: I'll overpay for that as opposed to the possibility because

1395
01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,040
Speaker 1: I'm learning that now. Man. It is hard to hit

1396
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:18,519
Speaker 1: on the possibles in the draft. Yeah, and when you

1397
01:09:18,600 --> 01:09:20,600
Speaker 1: can get the best player at his position, you know,

1398
01:09:20,840 --> 01:09:24,680
Speaker 1: arguably with Larmy Tunsil at a premier position versus two

1399
01:09:24,760 --> 01:09:27,840
Speaker 1: picks in the twenties which go through any draft. Pull

1400
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,000
Speaker 1: out the two players from the town I got role

1401
01:09:30,040 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: with and I can. I can pull them out right now.

1402
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:38,679
Speaker 1: Garrett Bowles, Charles Harris, Dwayne smoot m not a Dwayne

1403
01:09:38,680 --> 01:09:41,040
Speaker 1: studment that was third round, but just some of these

1404
01:09:41,240 --> 01:09:46,080
Speaker 1: names that I'm seeing Man, Ramsey, Taco, Charlton Tech, McKinley,

1405
01:09:46,760 --> 01:09:52,080
Speaker 1: Jabriel Peppers. I mean, go for the sure things, sure thing,

1406
01:09:53,240 --> 01:09:56,040
Speaker 1: give me the real deal. Uh. We got We got

1407
01:09:56,120 --> 01:09:59,400
Speaker 1: a couple of questions here from from Apple Podcasts. So

1408
01:09:59,439 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: if you leave us a rate rating in a review

1409
01:10:01,240 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: on Apple Podcasts, preferably five star, come, I'll do us

1410
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: a solid uh and drop a question and there we'll

1411
01:10:05,920 --> 01:10:08,840
Speaker 1: do our best to answer it every Thursday. So no, Bill,

1412
01:10:08,920 --> 01:10:10,280
Speaker 1: I know you've got a couple of questions for us

1413
01:10:10,320 --> 01:10:15,240
Speaker 1: fire away all right. The first one, when evaluating offensive lineman,

1414
01:10:15,560 --> 01:10:19,080
Speaker 1: how do you value dominance first consistency? Would you prefer

1415
01:10:19,160 --> 01:10:22,559
Speaker 1: an offensive lineman who doesn't make mistakes but isn't really

1416
01:10:22,640 --> 01:10:26,120
Speaker 1: moving guys or alignman who sets the tone but might

1417
01:10:26,200 --> 01:10:29,240
Speaker 1: get lazy with the technique a few plays each game?

1418
01:10:29,840 --> 01:10:33,439
Speaker 1: M M, you want to tackle that one buck? Yeah,

1419
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,639
Speaker 1: I'll tack it. Like for the first thing. Like, it's

1420
01:10:35,640 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 1: funny because when I when I've asked old line coaches

1421
01:10:38,200 --> 01:10:40,880
Speaker 1: about UH preferences and what should I look for in

1422
01:10:40,960 --> 01:10:43,360
Speaker 1: offensive alignment, the first thing they talk about is feet

1423
01:10:43,400 --> 01:10:45,719
Speaker 1: balanced by the control. You have to get an offensive

1424
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,040
Speaker 1: linement that is not on the ground, Like the first

1425
01:10:48,080 --> 01:10:50,840
Speaker 1: thing you talk about you non negotiables, and offensive alignment

1426
01:10:50,880 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: it is always on the ground is a non negotiable

1427
01:10:52,760 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 1: thing for me. They gotta be able to stay up,

1428
01:10:54,000 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 1: They gotta play with balance to get exhibition body control.

1429
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 1: When it comes to dominance and consistency, obviously you're like

1430
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:03,960
Speaker 1: a dominant player, but I would like a consistent player.

1431
01:11:04,000 --> 01:11:06,639
Speaker 1: But some of it depends on the scheme that you're

1432
01:11:06,640 --> 01:11:09,880
Speaker 1: projecting the guy to go into. Meaning if I'm a

1433
01:11:10,040 --> 01:11:13,559
Speaker 1: zone scheme. I want consistency because what I need him

1434
01:11:13,600 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: to do is consistently lock on his man and I

1435
01:11:16,200 --> 01:11:18,599
Speaker 1: don't need all over. I don't need in the wall.

1436
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,000
Speaker 1: If he can be a position box. However, if this

1437
01:11:21,160 --> 01:11:23,880
Speaker 1: is a power scheme, a gap scheme, we're repenting and pulling,

1438
01:11:24,439 --> 01:11:26,599
Speaker 1: I need dominant because I need to see him move

1439
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:29,360
Speaker 1: people off the ball so we can re establish the

1440
01:11:29,400 --> 01:11:32,400
Speaker 1: line of scrimmage and have positive runs. And so some

1441
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:37,000
Speaker 1: of them is scheme dependent, but ultimately I prefer consistency

1442
01:11:37,080 --> 01:11:40,640
Speaker 1: because I think for most things in team building, I

1443
01:11:40,720 --> 01:11:43,400
Speaker 1: can build around someone who I know is gonna give

1444
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: me that same consistent effort weekend week out. The guys

1445
01:11:47,320 --> 01:11:49,679
Speaker 1: who are up and down are the ones that drive

1446
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 1: you crazy because you never know which guy's gonna show

1447
01:11:51,520 --> 01:11:54,360
Speaker 1: up on Sunday. So I had an offensive line coach

1448
01:11:54,360 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: explained this to me one way, and by the way,

1449
01:11:56,040 --> 01:11:58,439
Speaker 1: I would encourage this whoever sent this question, and to

1450
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:01,200
Speaker 1: go go listen to of the Prototype series where we

1451
01:12:01,200 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 1: talked about offensive line, where we had Howard Mudd on

1452
01:12:03,200 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: and was awesome, and he can tell you more about

1453
01:12:05,160 --> 01:12:07,640
Speaker 1: the offensive line position the mean buck you ever could um.

1454
01:12:07,800 --> 01:12:10,200
Speaker 1: But the way it was explained to me. It was like,

1455
01:12:10,680 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 1: if you envision the quarterback being in the room right

1456
01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,680
Speaker 1: in an offensive alignment, is guarding the door. Okay, so

1457
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: the door is open, there's no door, the little the

1458
01:12:19,760 --> 01:12:22,280
Speaker 1: little entry way there. If he's guarding the entry and

1459
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:25,240
Speaker 1: somebody tries to get in and he pushes that guy

1460
01:12:25,479 --> 01:12:27,880
Speaker 1: fifteen feet away from the door and puts him on

1461
01:12:27,920 --> 01:12:30,599
Speaker 1: the ground, is that better than the guy who stands

1462
01:12:30,640 --> 01:12:32,400
Speaker 1: in front of the door and when somebody tries to

1463
01:12:32,439 --> 01:12:34,360
Speaker 1: get in, he just he just stands there and stops

1464
01:12:34,439 --> 01:12:35,760
Speaker 1: him from getting in. He said, at the end of

1465
01:12:35,800 --> 01:12:37,960
Speaker 1: the day, you're not getting to the quarterback. So that

1466
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:40,719
Speaker 1: to me, just get the job done and just whoever

1467
01:12:40,800 --> 01:12:43,400
Speaker 1: gets the job done. So inconsistent is not something I'm

1468
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:45,960
Speaker 1: looking for. Uh. The highs and lows, the ups and downs,

1469
01:12:46,040 --> 01:12:49,080
Speaker 1: no thanks. Um, I get you want to have athleticism

1470
01:12:49,160 --> 01:12:51,720
Speaker 1: and physicality, but at the end of the day, your

1471
01:12:51,800 --> 01:12:54,320
Speaker 1: job is to keep your man between you and the quarterback.

1472
01:12:54,439 --> 01:12:56,559
Speaker 1: And that's Uh, that's the guys that I want. Yeah,

1473
01:12:57,200 --> 01:13:00,040
Speaker 1: consistent effort. Uh, if you can give me consist to

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Speaker 1: see a guy that's gonna show up, and you can

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Speaker 1: give me the same performance each and every week. I

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01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,439
Speaker 1: can work around it because I can ask some of

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Speaker 1: your deficiencies. Coaches can change it up scheme wise to

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Speaker 1: make sure that that guy's always protected. However, if I

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01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:16,240
Speaker 1: am building a game plan based on how you're performing

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Speaker 1: at your best and you don't play that way all

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01:13:19,080 --> 01:13:22,479
Speaker 1: the time, man, you just uh compromise what we're trying

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Speaker 1: to do as a team. And so consistency for me

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01:13:26,120 --> 01:13:28,080
Speaker 1: is paramount. I want to know that the guy that

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Speaker 1: I see this week is gonna be the same guy

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Speaker 1: that I see next week and the week after that,

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Speaker 1: and on and on and on. So consistency to me

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Speaker 1: Trump's dominance. Uh, when I'm in the team building aspect,

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Speaker 1: I'm with you all right now, Bill, give us one more.

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Speaker 1: When it comes to the Saints draft strategy this up

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Speaker 1: coming spring, do you believe Sean Payton will do everything

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Speaker 1: within reason to ensure he gets a player of immense

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Speaker 1: raw talent like Jordan's Love to be his future QB? Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not so sure it's future. QB. Isn't Teddy Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: the way he's played. You know, you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to potentially lock him up and we'll see. You know,

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Speaker 1: I would think, in a perfect world, if you're the

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Speaker 1: Saints and Sean Payton, you go win the Super Bowl

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Speaker 1: this year, Drew Brees hoists the trophy and gets to

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Speaker 1: poll with John Elway and just kind of right off

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Speaker 1: into the sunset as a champion. I guess Peyton Manning

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01:14:12,479 --> 01:14:14,880
Speaker 1: did the exact same thing. I know Breeze sounds like

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01:14:14,920 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 1: he wants to play a little bit longer than that,

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01:14:16,400 --> 01:14:18,320
Speaker 1: but that would be one scenario. He rides off onto

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01:14:18,320 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: the sunset. You you ink Teddy Bridgewater to a long

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01:14:20,880 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: term deal and you're off and rolling. You still got

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01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 1: Taysom Hill there as well. Um, you know they've taken

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Speaker 1: a bunch of quarterbacks in that second third round range

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01:14:28,080 --> 01:14:30,040
Speaker 1: over the last you know, since Sean Payne has been there.

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Speaker 1: I guess I should say, um, haven't found that right guy.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know, I don't necessarily know that they

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Speaker 1: need to take a quarterback if they believe in Teddy

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Speaker 1: Bridgewater and keep him on campus. You know, I think

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Speaker 1: what they've gotten in Teddy Bridgewater is probably the perfect

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01:14:43,520 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: thing for Sean Payton. Um. I know we all are

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01:14:46,600 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 1: fascinated by the next generation of young quarterbacks that are

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01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:52,120
Speaker 1: coming into the league. But I do believe there's something

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01:14:52,160 --> 01:14:55,960
Speaker 1: to be said for experience, and even though Teddy Bridgewater

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01:14:56,520 --> 01:15:00,280
Speaker 1: has he has some starting experience, I would say maybe

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Speaker 1: even significance darting the experience. What Teddy Bridgewater has done

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Speaker 1: is what you and I have always talked about, Man,

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Speaker 1: the best way to develop a quarterback is to really

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Speaker 1: take your time develop him. Let him see the game,

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01:15:10,920 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 1: let him get a taste of the game. UH, continue

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01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:15,200
Speaker 1: to work on the skills on the practice field, and

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01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,439
Speaker 1: then when he's ready, man, maybe it's even four or

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Speaker 1: five years down the line, then you can put him in.

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Speaker 1: I think with Teddy Bridgewater, he's kind of gone through

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Speaker 1: those rough moments as a young player, and Sean Payne

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01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,800
Speaker 1: now gets to get a player that has had enough

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Speaker 1: experience where he understands the speed in the pace of

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Speaker 1: the game. He's won game, so he understands how to

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Speaker 1: manage the game, and he's been able to grow within

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01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:39,880
Speaker 1: Sean Payton's system. I think, if I'm the New Orleans Saints, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I locked Teddy Bridge. What up. I probably don't have

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Speaker 1: to overpay for him, but I got my starting quarterback

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Speaker 1: in the building down the line, and for as long

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01:15:47,960 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: as Drew Brees wants to play great, but I can

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Speaker 1: continue to nurture Teddy Bridgewater to be the starter that

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01:15:54,120 --> 01:15:57,360
Speaker 1: we want. So now when look number nine walks away,

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Speaker 1: we have a seamless transition at the quarterback position. I

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01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 1: think that's what you want to think. We have seen

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Speaker 1: what has happened in Indianapolis. And I'm not saying that

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Speaker 1: jacobeber Said and Teddy Bridgewater are the same, but because

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Speaker 1: the transition has been smooth, the Indianapolis Colts are remaining

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01:16:12,720 --> 01:16:16,080
Speaker 1: a viable contender because they don't have questions and they

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01:16:16,160 --> 01:16:20,000
Speaker 1: don't necessarily need to go through the developmental process with

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Speaker 1: a young quarterback because their quarterback has been in the

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Speaker 1: league long enough and learned within this system that they've

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Speaker 1: been able to hit the ground running. Uh. Let's uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a great point. I was thinking about Teddy Bridgewater

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Speaker 1: buck and I was thinking about this upcoming quarterback class. Now.

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Speaker 1: I know they're a little bit different body type, about

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01:16:35,640 --> 01:16:37,639
Speaker 1: the same size. I think this uh the college kids

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01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 1: a little bit thicker, but the way they play the game,

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01:16:39,880 --> 01:16:42,480
Speaker 1: Teddy Bridgewater and Jake from I think there's some similarities

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Speaker 1: there with how they know just a good good decision makers,

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Speaker 1: go through progressions, get the ball where it needs to be.

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Speaker 1: That's a really good point, um, And it's one of

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Speaker 1: the things that everyone worries about with with Jake From,

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Speaker 1: Oh the armed talent, does he have this? Does he

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Speaker 1: have that? But as you know, there's so much more

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Speaker 1: to playing quarterback than just having the biggest arm. It

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Speaker 1: is the management skills. Uh. You talked about the big moments.

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Speaker 1: Have we seen them performing big moments well on teddy

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Speaker 1: Bridge Water. I was doing the Sugar Bowl when they

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Speaker 1: beat Florida having watched one of his big moments with

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Speaker 1: Jake From, Jake From has a number of those big moments,

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Speaker 1: whether it's what he did versus Notre Dame on the

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Speaker 1: road when they gotta win, watching him fend off the

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Speaker 1: competition Jacob Eastam, and then justin fields and playing at

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Speaker 1: a high level. Some of those things matter more than

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Speaker 1: the physical tools that someone brings to the table. So

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Speaker 1: Jake from teddy Bridge Water comparison to me is a

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Speaker 1: very very good one. Fun when we're talking more about that, uh,

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Speaker 1: potentially this spring once we get towards more draft talk. Um,

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Speaker 1: I don't This might be my favorite episode man. We've had.

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Speaker 1: We had some fun conversations, some fun discussions, but then

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Speaker 1: also just two great interviews. Um and really appreciate Dabo

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Speaker 1: Sweeney carving out a good chunk of time for us

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Speaker 1: and a week where they have a big opponent coming

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Speaker 1: up in Florida State. Yeah, it's been great, man, it

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Speaker 1: was a great It was a great podcast. Every ever

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Speaker 1: really enjoy talking to David Morris and Dabbo and then

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Speaker 1: having two conversations. I know it started off slow one

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Speaker 1: for me, you're talking about the Dodges, kind of rubbing

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Speaker 1: my nose in it, But I think out of good stuff.

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Speaker 1: Can It's interesting for sure? Interesting interesting conversations. All right, Well,

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