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Speaker 2: Here it is locker room Day.
Speaker 3: I was down there trying to if I guess, I
Speaker 3: was hoping that Michaeh would be right off the top.
Speaker 3: So I was down there trying to see if I
Speaker 3: could get listen. But nobody's there yet. They're saying maybe
Speaker 3: Michael will be at the end, because I definitely want
Speaker 3: to hear.
Speaker 2: I gotta hear that. Yes, we want to.
Speaker 3: Hear what the All Pro line backer has to say
Speaker 3: this this Wednesday. Even though he went on his podcast
Speaker 3: and explained his comments about the coach, it's just really
Speaker 3: clear that the coach was offended, oh one hundred percent,
Speaker 3: and what he said.
Speaker 2: What he said was that that was disrespectful. He could
Speaker 2: say that.
Speaker 3: Meaning in that way, but it was said, and I
Speaker 3: think all of us, I raised my hand included we've
Speaker 3: all said things that were oh yeah, I probably shouldn't
Speaker 3: have said it that way, but it was said. And
Speaker 3: so this gives Mike an opportunity to explain it even
Speaker 3: further about what's going on. And also just my question,
Speaker 3: it would just be, how do guys go forward? One
Speaker 3: knowing that it's three and six, Dak is now gone?
Speaker 2: How do you go forward? You're in a pickle.
Speaker 4: And I think for these guys, they probably want to
Speaker 4: see what this nucleus of players are going to be
Speaker 4: going forward.
Speaker 2: You're young guys, get an opportunity to see what you're
Speaker 2: gonna look like next year.
Speaker 4: I mean, who are gonna be those guys that's gonna
Speaker 4: put it on the line, knowing you know that whoever
Speaker 4: the if there is a coaching change, you know that
Speaker 4: you're being looked at, You're being watched to see who's
Speaker 4: quitting on the job. You know, you look around the NFL,
Speaker 4: there are a lot of guys right now packing it
Speaker 4: in knowing that they're on the teams that ain't going nowhere,
Speaker 4: and they got a contract that ain't going nowhere. So
Speaker 4: you got a bunch of contracts, a lot of guys
Speaker 4: that are on one year deals. I think you're watching
Speaker 4: those closely. Who wants to be resigned? But I want
Speaker 4: to see some of our young guys, I really do.
Speaker 4: I think what we've seen from Demarve and Overshown is
Speaker 4: like really, I mean, he's hurt last year, so essentially
Speaker 4: this is his rookie season. You're getting an opportunity to
Speaker 4: see how special he is. Mars LeFou the other linebacker,
Speaker 4: You're getting an opportunity to see how special that guy is.
Speaker 4: We don't know what we have in guys like one
Speaker 4: Ye Thomas. You know, we hadn't got an opportunity to
Speaker 4: judge guys like that.
Speaker 2: Just awesome.
Speaker 4: Richards got an opportunity to play at left tackle, and
Speaker 4: everybody came away from that game saying, Austin Richards look good.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 4: So I mean, yes, you are in a situation at
Speaker 4: three and six where everybody's saying, like the season is.
Speaker 4: It may be a lost cause to some, but you
Speaker 4: still got a bunch of games, still have a bunch
Speaker 4: of NFC East games ahead of you. So I'm really
Speaker 4: looking at their young talent just to see what these
Speaker 4: guys do going forward.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and I can understand from a you know, organizational standpoint,
Speaker 6: you know, playing those young guys playing the wan Gay
Speaker 6: Thomas Is the more leophile first name been awesome Richards
Speaker 6: and those guys, I can see that because you want
Speaker 6: to see what.
Speaker 2: You have in the future.
Speaker 6: But you know when you talk about those guys like
Speaker 6: a Jordan Lewis, you know, those guys that are on
Speaker 6: those one year deals, When you start seeing these young
Speaker 6: guys getting more and more playing time out there, trying
Speaker 6: to see what they got in the back yard mind,
Speaker 6: you think, oh man, it's a rap. The season is done,
Speaker 6: it's over with. So it gets it becomes extremely tough
Speaker 6: for those veterans out there to go ahead and be
Speaker 6: the leaders that this team needs because they understand, like, man, well,
Speaker 6: if the coaching staff wants to see these young guys,
Speaker 6: they want to see what they got for the future. Basically,
Speaker 6: the season's done. The seasons because we're not gonna put
Speaker 6: our best foot forward. So it's tough. It's a tough
Speaker 6: situation because you you gotta know what you're getting in
Speaker 6: the future. But those guys on those one year deals, man,
Speaker 6: it becomes in it's like I gotta put good tape
Speaker 6: out there. That's when it that's when you you become
Speaker 6: I don't want to say selfish, but in a way
Speaker 6: you you become selfish as a player because you're like, man,
Speaker 6: I can't put bad tape.
Speaker 2: On there, especially if I'm going into a contract here.
Speaker 6: I don't want the last you know, image of me
Speaker 6: when these teams look at it. It's, man, this dude
Speaker 6: out here getting getting cookies, getting getting burned.
Speaker 2: So that's it's a tough pickle.
Speaker 6: I've been in that situation, but it becomes a little
Speaker 6: bit selfish and you got to look out for yourself.
Speaker 3: So Chumandoga ready to come back. Another offensive tackle in
Speaker 3: the mix here.
Speaker 6: It might be curtains from my man, especially after you
Speaker 6: know rich he went in there and he did his thing.
Speaker 2: It's a good defensive line.
Speaker 3: And that was that was my next question of okay,
Speaker 3: so what do you do when you start saying, all right,
Speaker 3: this is where the season is right, it's interesting here,
Speaker 3: you know, just just how do you go forward to
Speaker 3: tod Hey, here's a veteran and you're the head coach.
Speaker 2: I mean, the head coach is still the coach.
Speaker 3: So you're trying to even if he his contracts up,
Speaker 3: So even if he's not here, you want to put
Speaker 3: out a team that looks like it's fighting so you
Speaker 3: can go, I mean, coach next year and other guys
Speaker 3: who want to coaching staff. So so I would not
Speaker 3: just simply say well that you was done, but Awsome
Speaker 3: Richards did look good. But I look at things like that.
Speaker 3: This is these are decisions that are going to have
Speaker 3: to be made right now. This is one more tackle
Speaker 3: that's there. When do you say to Terrence Steel if
Speaker 3: it keeps going the way it's going, when do you
Speaker 3: when do you make a look there?
Speaker 2: So it's it's some serious questions.
Speaker 3: And I think this week is just another week where
Speaker 3: if it doesn't go, if it goes from three to
Speaker 3: six to three to seven and then you got a
Speaker 3: short week with Thanksgiving coming to.
Speaker 6: Me, it's it's man, this is uh not only that
Speaker 6: the running back position. I mean, what do you know
Speaker 6: if you're Rico, if you're deuce and let's just say,
Speaker 6: you know, a new coaching staff does come in, if
Speaker 6: they don't extend Mike, you know where their tape at.
Speaker 6: You know, you gotta be like man, I gotta put
Speaker 6: some tape on the field. You know, are we gonna
Speaker 6: continue to give you know, Zeke these carries? Or are
Speaker 6: we gonna see what we got in a douce. We're
Speaker 6: gonna see what we got in a rico. So, I
Speaker 6: mean there's a lot of positions that you know right now,
Speaker 6: it seems like, you know, guys gotta start fighting for
Speaker 6: some reps out there matter or it's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2: Yeah, tough.
Speaker 4: I mean you're you're there right now. You're there, and
Speaker 4: you can look just look at the numbers. If there
Speaker 4: was any fight, if you if you saw anything as
Speaker 4: far as your offense playing without Dak, I think is
Speaker 4: probably obviously last week you saw that's the biggest adjustment
Speaker 4: your offense. Your passing game had nothing, and that's coming
Speaker 4: off of a running game that really didn't give you anything.
Speaker 4: But oddly enough, the running game, I believe gave you
Speaker 4: ninety five yards and that was a hell of a
Speaker 4: lot more than what you were getting previously. But no
Speaker 4: way you could have gotten yourself prepared to throw for
Speaker 4: forty nine yards in a four quarter football game.
Speaker 3: It heard us and then your quarterback, No, I was
Speaker 3: just gonna say on the ninety five yards. That's the
Speaker 3: final result. Yeah, but how much of that was after
Speaker 3: the competitive phasees he was up twenty and they were
Speaker 3: like he got ahead, got ahead as a former player,
Speaker 3: here's Michael Parson's back.
Speaker 2: He's got three sacks.
Speaker 3: Is it in your mind like too late for him
Speaker 3: to make a Pro Bowl run?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean he would have to go New clear
Speaker 6: like he would have to get was it final eight games?
Speaker 6: He'd have to get at least ten sacks in the
Speaker 6: final eight, because I mean it is tough. I've seen
Speaker 6: guys ball out, but if your record is trash and
Speaker 6: your defensive ranking is trash, I mean, it's gonna be
Speaker 6: hard for Cass to put you on, you know, a
Speaker 6: Pro Bowl ballot. I remember one year, I think it
Speaker 6: was jaredston ball. He had like five or six interceptions,
Speaker 6: but our defense was one of the worst passing defense
Speaker 6: in the National Football League.
Speaker 2: So it's like it's gonna be extremely tough. You know.
Speaker 6: Michael Parsons has the name to where if he could
Speaker 6: if he goes out there and raffles off a couple
Speaker 6: of sacks, he can he can get in there, maybe
Speaker 6: as an alternate, but as far as like that first
Speaker 6: Pro Bowl ballot Pro Bowl guy, he would have to
Speaker 6: go nuclear in these last eight games.
Speaker 2: I'm talking about ten sacks.
Speaker 6: He would have to end the season with thirteen fourteen
Speaker 6: sacks to even get consideration. I mean in the NFC,
Speaker 6: you know who's who's your top guy in the NFC
Speaker 6: when you're talking about coming off the edge. A lot
Speaker 6: of those guys are in the in the a f C.
Speaker 6: But I mean, he would have, in my opinion, he
Speaker 6: would have to go nuclear.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: And when it comes to your top five in sacks,
Speaker 3: right now, you got Hendrickson, he's got eleven from Cincinnati.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Then it's the NFC East guy number two, that's Lawrence,
Speaker 3: He's got nine, the extra fowler Filer's got eight and
Speaker 3: a half. McDonald of the Jets has eight. And how
Speaker 3: about this The fifth leading sacker right now the league
Speaker 3: is eight Hutchinson.
Speaker 4: He's been out and he's been out for how long?
Speaker 2: Boy game man.
Speaker 3: Ilc it is so so Overshown leads the Cowboys and
Speaker 3: sacks right now, go with four and then Mike has
Speaker 3: got three. But I just wondered, just from the standpoint,
Speaker 3: because when you're a decorated player who's used to this
Speaker 3: he's missed time through injury. You know, in his mind
Speaker 3: he made Hey me, I came back. You saw me
Speaker 3: get the sack. I'm still that guy when I was
Speaker 3: in here, I just wonder.
Speaker 2: How does that go?
Speaker 3: And then how the guys in the room feel about
Speaker 3: you know that, because these guys take.
Speaker 2: Pride in Oh yeah, I get your numbers. Man.
Speaker 4: No, and I'm with you Church, I think he's he
Speaker 4: would definitely have to go off. But it was amazing
Speaker 4: to see his impact on the defense after missing those
Speaker 4: few weeks.
Speaker 2: And then it brought the question like, damn, what would
Speaker 2: Ron Bland look like?
Speaker 4: You know, what would this defense look like when you're
Speaker 4: able to cut down those big plays because you have
Speaker 4: a cornerback that teams are not purposely attacking.
Speaker 2: I think that's.
Speaker 4: Another thing that I think when when you start looking
Speaker 4: at the injury, the injuries for the Cowboys, if they
Speaker 4: could get some of those guys back, what impact would
Speaker 4: having a Derun Bland be for this team? What impact
Speaker 4: would having the Brandon Cooks be for the Cowboys offense?
Speaker 4: Because right now, I mean, I don't look and I'm
Speaker 4: not trying to bash anybody, I'm just looking at the
Speaker 4: final results. I'm the competitive phase of the game. You
Speaker 4: don't have enough wide receivers that are creating separation out
Speaker 4: there that are even bonafide playmakers to make a difference
Speaker 4: in conjunction with Ceedee Lamb. So I mean, we're putting
Speaker 4: a lot of We're putting a lot of pressure on
Speaker 4: fer Kittle Kelsey, but because that production is not like there,
Speaker 4: and he's also fumbled the ball, you doubt him and
Speaker 4: the way that they're drawing up plays. But what what
Speaker 4: can if you got a guy like Brandon Cook's back
Speaker 4: that understands spacing and you don't have four wide receivers
Speaker 4: running into one area, what could that benefit your offense
Speaker 4: as well?
Speaker 6: I could It could benefit it a lot, because, like
Speaker 6: you said, he's a smart wide receiver and he understands zones,
Speaker 6: and that's something they're not saying the rest of these
Speaker 6: guys will understand football or anything like that. But when
Speaker 6: you talk about a Brandon coach, it's a guy that's
Speaker 6: had multiple one thout in your seasons and he understands
Speaker 6: where to sit down, where to.
Speaker 2: Be quarterback friendly.
Speaker 6: And that's just something that we haven't seen from the
Speaker 6: Tolbrits of the world, the brooks Is of the world
Speaker 6: out there. Maybe we can get some from Mingo. I'm
Speaker 6: excited to see what he can bring to the table.
Speaker 6: Big athletic dudes, so maybe he can win some one
Speaker 6: on one matchups. But as far as you know wide receiver,
Speaker 6: I think Cooks and I and I was because I'm like, man,
Speaker 6: you know, Cooks, he really wasn't doing much. Man, he
Speaker 6: will be. They ended up missing that veteran presence in
Speaker 6: that wide receiver room. So that's gonna be tough.
Speaker 2: But when you talk about Bland, that's an interesting question.
Speaker 2: Do you come back if you're Bland? Do you do you?
Speaker 3: Basically talking to McCarthy on Monday, it is don't look
Speaker 3: for Bland.
Speaker 2: Or Cooks this week.
Speaker 6: Yeah, That's what I'm like, So don't don't. Don't look
Speaker 6: for especially if you Bland your last tape you put
Speaker 6: on the fourteen interceptions. You he speaks.
Speaker 4: For itself, like I'm like, and he and he's literally
Speaker 4: in the position to where you can't you know, extending
Speaker 4: him done. You know, look, he's he's one of those
Speaker 4: what he said his third year, so this is this
Speaker 4: is thirty year, so next year, like this summer, they
Speaker 4: got to start ripping up deals and talking about paying future.
Speaker 2: It is a pickle. I know how it works. He
Speaker 2: comes back from injury.
Speaker 6: Let's just say he comes back from and let's just
Speaker 6: say he goes out there and he gets bombed on.
Speaker 6: You know, he's been out for a while, you know,
Speaker 6: a little bit rusty the last stretch of games, he
Speaker 6: gets bombed on a little bit. You know, when they
Speaker 6: come back to them tables, they hey, man, you know
Speaker 6: it wasn't that same production that we saw. You're not
Speaker 6: the same you know, take this right here.
Speaker 4: You know, I don't I think after the year that
Speaker 4: he had last year, you'd be that that's rich and
Speaker 4: God's coming. And you know, I'm talking to somebody that
Speaker 4: know how it works. I'm not questioning that. I'm just
Speaker 4: saying he's coming. He's fighting back from injury. And you
Speaker 4: know what he did last season healthy, he was a
Speaker 4: baller and him and Gilly, you know that that's again,
Speaker 4: that's that's just a matchup that I think if you
Speaker 4: were able to get some of that back, maybe that
Speaker 4: would help you, because, like I mean, come on, man,
Speaker 4: you watched the tape. You saw what Philadelphia was doing.
Speaker 4: You saw exactly what Kellen Moore. He came in with
Speaker 4: the game plan on who he was going.
Speaker 2: To that it it went out of it.
Speaker 4: And this is a defense that hasn't generated many turnovers
Speaker 4: at all. And then last week it was like out
Speaker 4: of the blue, digs Trayvon steps in front of the
Speaker 4: tight end and gets it and he's like, wait a minute,
Speaker 4: we still can't get that's.
Speaker 2: Still a part of our defense.
Speaker 4: And you miss and you missed that because it just
Speaker 4: seemed like it was automatic for Bland.
Speaker 2: It was automatic for Bland.
Speaker 6: Then on top of that, he was taking it back
Speaker 6: to the is he oh yeah, he was cribbing it.
Speaker 2: He was cribbing it, man, no doubt about it. It's
Speaker 2: a long time ago, guys, it was a long time.
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Speaker 2: Man, they make it go. What did he start? That
Speaker 2: should have asked, like when did you start this?
Speaker 6: Because it hasn't been around that long, right, if I'm
Speaker 6: not mistaken in church, now, you know.
Speaker 2: He just got really big.
Speaker 3: He's been doing it for a minute, was doing it
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Speaker 2: a D over there, shout out.
Speaker 3: You playing really good right now, just in the top
Speaker 3: fifteen the college football playoff ranking.
Speaker 2: So did that over there? It's coming.
Speaker 3: Hey, look man, I hope you can get there. Man,
Speaker 3: they gonna get to the planet. What are they the AAC.
Speaker 2: No there there. They moved from the AAC over to
Speaker 2: the a c C.
Speaker 6: There with Miami automatic you win it automatic, big, yes,
Speaker 6: So they their first place, first place.
Speaker 3: So they got Boston College built Bill Bill O'Brien his
Speaker 3: coaching Boston coll So they're coming to Dallas this weekend.
Speaker 3: So it's a tough test. He's gonna make it a
Speaker 3: four quarter game. Yeah, BC's gonna make it a full quarter.
Speaker 3: But I believe that seems favored by touchdown?
Speaker 4: Does that you played in Miami this year? They don't
Speaker 4: play Miami. But the a c C have a champion.
Speaker 2: They got you got Florida State. That was their first
Speaker 2: that was their first You talking about the fall of
Speaker 2: a program. Oh my god, man, first mistake not high
Speaker 2: in prime? I said, what is the first time? And
Speaker 2: then it was from the first game on and.
Speaker 3: I was just like, dang, for a minute, they wanted
Speaker 3: to fire Norvel before last year, but they didn't have
Speaker 3: the money because they were still paying off Taggart deal,
Speaker 3: so they weren't in a position she.
Speaker 2: Was gonna say that is the guy that got fired
Speaker 2: from an M. I was like, damn, he getting money everywhere.
Speaker 4: Jimbo for Jimbo says, yeah over there, the am over
Speaker 4: here chilling, No, no, jim Jimbo is on you can
Speaker 4: you can hear you can hear Jimbo on radio show,
Speaker 4: Jimbo plotting.
Speaker 2: And he letting you know he's available. I'm gonna be
Speaker 2: back right now. He letting you know he's available.
Speaker 3: So for SMU, they get Boston College this weekend, then
Speaker 3: they go to Virginia, and then they are at home
Speaker 3: to end the season against California. Boston College right now
Speaker 3: is five and four, Virginia is five and four, and
Speaker 3: California is five and four.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna tell y'all the dangerous thing about SMU is
Speaker 4: centrally located in Dallas. They don't have to leave the
Speaker 4: state to get to get town. They can stay right
Speaker 4: where they are and just recruit the Metroplex and have
Speaker 4: it and have a team. Look, that's the danger of
Speaker 4: SMU being good because teams like Texas that come up
Speaker 4: to come up thirty five other teams around that have
Speaker 4: to A and m's are all they are looking at.
Speaker 4: What s because when you start talking about n I
Speaker 4: L especially when it because that's all it comes down
Speaker 4: to is the bread and sim You can compete with anybody.
Speaker 2: It's the now.
Speaker 4: The facilities are definitely not like Texas. The stadium definitely
Speaker 4: not like Texas. But they've made some modifications. They I mean,
Speaker 4: they're in a position and especially if they are. They
Speaker 4: bought their way into the ACC. They literally paid to
Speaker 4: be a part of the conference. They're not taking any
Speaker 4: of the conference dollars. No, they said we don't want it.
Speaker 4: That's when you know you got bread.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 4: They plotting on the SEC. I know, and it made
Speaker 4: people say it's not a good move. But they plotting
Speaker 4: to get into the SEC.
Speaker 2: I'm just tough.
Speaker 4: But if they do it and they get the and
Speaker 4: they get the if they get the athletes to compete
Speaker 4: at that level, that's the only thing. It's just getting
Speaker 4: like the Missouri's of the world, the OU's right, they
Speaker 4: just don't have the athletes to compete.
Speaker 2: You can do it overnight with trenches. Trenches, they can
Speaker 2: do it overnight.
Speaker 3: They're not going into the SEC because Texas and A
Speaker 3: and M would make sure that doesn't happen. The play
Speaker 3: for anybody in the state of Texas outside of Texas
Speaker 3: and A and M, your play, if you can, is
Speaker 3: the Big ten because at some point in time, if
Speaker 3: you're the Big ten, what you want to do is
Speaker 3: to get into Texas because of the TV dollars. It's
Speaker 3: all about the TV market and that was one reason
Speaker 3: why they took Rutgers over talking about New York, New Jersey,
Speaker 3: but that was that was the person. So if you're
Speaker 3: the Big ten at this point in time, you want
Speaker 3: to get into Texas because now Dallas for Worth has
Speaker 3: moved up. Dallas for Worth is now the fourth largest
Speaker 3: TV market, Houston's a top ten TV market, and then
Speaker 3: of course Austin and San Antonio are both growing. So
Speaker 3: so if you're the Big ten, to me, that next
Speaker 3: thing is to try to get down here. So if
Speaker 3: you're SMU, TCU Baylor Texas Tech, you want to be
Speaker 3: looking to see what could I do to go big ten.
Speaker 4: Have you ever heard of a school paying into a conference.
Speaker 2: Is that ever?
Speaker 4: I mean, I don't know the answer to that, so
Speaker 4: I'm asking you. And that's why I'm saying that they play,
Speaker 4: whether it happens or not. If I'm messmu, I'm trying
Speaker 4: to get into the SEC because because then I can
Speaker 4: recruit on the same level as Texas.
Speaker 2: There's no more I'll become playing the SEC everybody.
Speaker 4: But I'm on now, you know, when you're in the recruit,
Speaker 4: when I'm in your living room saying, son, do you
Speaker 4: really want to go play in the Big ten playing
Speaker 4: the cold? You know, all come play in the SEC.
Speaker 4: You play Texas, stay right here at the house. I mean,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you that's a recruiting tactic. And if they
Speaker 4: got the money to pay in, it's hard to keep
Speaker 4: them out.
Speaker 2: Here's the other prop. You know.
Speaker 3: If you're saying, now they'll go to the SEC and
Speaker 3: not take any TV dollars, is that what you're saying.
Speaker 2: You're thinking they would do that because they did it.
Speaker 4: They did it in the ACC. It's paying off on
Speaker 4: their number one and at first they look they look
Speaker 4: stupid for doing it.
Speaker 2: They don't look too stupid right now.
Speaker 3: One of the bigger issues. Is truly one wor reason
Speaker 3: why they're able to make the a SEC run. It
Speaker 3: is because people don't want to split the pie, you know,
Speaker 3: and if you're trying to even go into the SEC's
Speaker 3: by splitting pie. One reason why they wanted a Big
Speaker 3: twelve because the Big twelve schools like, we don't want
Speaker 3: to split any pie with them.
Speaker 2: It's it's a real challenge.
Speaker 3: I just think the SEC right now, I'm just in
Speaker 3: my opinion, SEC's closed. They know that the biggest, baddest
Speaker 3: thing on the block. They're not at anybody else. It
Speaker 3: doesn't I mean, look at what they added. They went
Speaker 3: on and added arguably the biggest name outside of Notre
Speaker 3: Dame in college football in Texas. And then they brought
Speaker 3: Oklahoma with them because it's Oklahoma and you want Oklahoma.
Speaker 2: No good right now? They beat upside Yes, but you've
Speaker 2: got Saxes.
Speaker 3: But Sankie's not gonna I mean, and you look at
Speaker 3: everything that they've always added, it's always been a strategic thing.
Speaker 3: You can look at Missouri's like, well, who's Missouri. Missouri
Speaker 3: was TV markets and increasing it. SMU is not going
Speaker 3: to give them anything that they don't already have. And
Speaker 3: even when people say, well what about Florida State, like
Speaker 3: Florida State and Clemson trying to go to the SEC,
Speaker 3: I'm like, guys.
Speaker 2: Why would Florida even want to entertain that?
Speaker 3: Or if they don't need Basically, they're already in Florida,
Speaker 3: they don't need Florida State.
Speaker 2: And then Clemson they got South Carolina.
Speaker 3: Now having lived in the state, South Carolina football is
Speaker 3: big down there, but hey, we're in the state. We
Speaker 3: don't need Clemson. We are still the SEC without those dudes.
Speaker 3: You bring in Texas even though you had A and M.
Speaker 3: Texas is bigger than A and M. We know this absolutely.
Speaker 3: And then Oklahoma, oh hey, we'll take you too, But
Speaker 3: Sankie's not at anything he'll need to.
Speaker 2: He doesn't need to.
Speaker 4: But you think about the way that and I'm just
Speaker 4: looking at the way that this college Playoff thing is
Speaker 4: ranking out. It's all of your power fives teams that
Speaker 4: get the top draw consideration right off the bat. Teams
Speaker 4: like SMU again, they could chill out in the ACC
Speaker 4: and make it there each and every year.
Speaker 2: It wouldn't be a problem for them.
Speaker 4: But in schools like that, especially with the type of
Speaker 4: money that they have. They want to get to the
Speaker 4: top of the foods. They're not going to be satisfied
Speaker 4: with staying down at the bottom of the barrel. And oh,
Speaker 4: by the way, we can out recruit all of these guys.
Speaker 4: We got the same amount of money.
Speaker 2: I hear what you said, what they want, but I'm
Speaker 2: looking at the other side.
Speaker 3: And that's been these conversations with people I've been having
Speaker 3: through the years of just Okay, what does it benefit
Speaker 3: me conference? And then it's the membership within the conference.
Speaker 3: Those are always the issues because like brett Ormark, who's
Speaker 3: running Big Twelve. Brett Ormark wanted Yukon badly, one of
Speaker 3: them badly, but the members said, Nah, we don't want it.
Speaker 3: Brent's whole thing was, well, what we need to do
Speaker 3: in the next TV deal is separate football and basketball
Speaker 3: because the Big twelve is.
Speaker 2: The best basketball leaguer.
Speaker 3: He's like, we want to sell basketball in the one thing,
Speaker 3: take football and selling in another. And if we're going
Speaker 3: to sell basketball, why not get u Con and Yukon
Speaker 3: in that whole tri state area New York, New Jersey, Connecticut.
Speaker 3: But the membership was like, Nah, we don't want to
Speaker 3: do that and so this is the commissioner. But this
Speaker 3: is a very interesting way. And then the whole pie
Speaker 3: thing is what I consistently when I talked to the
Speaker 3: different ads and coaches.
Speaker 2: Man, we don't want to split the pie.
Speaker 3: People talk about what happened in the Big Ten between
Speaker 3: Oregon and Washington when they first had the vote to
Speaker 3: try to keep the PAC twelve together. Dude came out
Speaker 3: there and it's like, yeah, this is an Apple deal
Speaker 3: and we're gonna have to kind of get subscriptions and people.
Speaker 2: And no, no, no, no, no, where's a real dollars. They're
Speaker 2: like that, well, you're like a Shellgate.
Speaker 3: So I got you fifty, but only thirty five is guaranteed.
Speaker 3: We got to come out and sell to get to it,
Speaker 3: and they were like, too much work, So they went
Speaker 3: to the Big Ten. But the big thing is like,
Speaker 3: the network's got to give you money. The network's like,
Speaker 3: we're not giving Oregon in Washington a full share. We're
Speaker 3: not giving you a full share. You're getting fifty MILI.
Speaker 3: We'll give you a half. Get twenty five to Washington,
Speaker 3: twenty five to Oregon. So Oregon is not getting the
Speaker 3: same money that Indiana's getting Wow, they don't get the
Speaker 3: full share. And to dogs, I'm saying Oregon is not
Speaker 3: getting with them. Purdue is get it wow. But they
Speaker 3: wanted to get in that back because it was like, hey,
Speaker 3: you can either go there or you can try to
Speaker 3: sit up here, see if you can get this big twelve.
Speaker 3: And they're like, nah, we want to go to the
Speaker 3: Pac ten because the Pac ten and for a certain
Speaker 3: amount of time they'll they'll build up. They're gonna let
Speaker 3: them build up. But right now they coming in man
Speaker 3: taking half the check.
Speaker 2: And these things. And so when what happens? So when
Speaker 2: when you had the.
Speaker 3: Border schools Arizona State, Arizona, Colorado, and Utah all go
Speaker 3: to the Big twelve because Brett, you or Mart told
Speaker 3: them we take it four. You better jump in here
Speaker 3: because Colorado was the first. Again on I got three left,
Speaker 3: who's coming Stanford and cal Well, we're trying to wait and.
Speaker 2: See they waited too long. So yeah, they waited too long.
Speaker 2: So the spots goblin dudey.
Speaker 3: Was on the phone, Hey nah, we'll take half nah,
Speaker 3: because the other members are like, we're not diluting this
Speaker 3: pie anymore. We're not gonna do it. You should have
Speaker 3: jumped in there. Then, what's crazy? You remember this?
Speaker 2: Man?
Speaker 3: When Oklahoma and Texas went to the SEC, people were
Speaker 3: trying to run out the Big Twelve.
Speaker 2: They were begging to pack till please take us, please,
Speaker 2: please please.
Speaker 3: They were dudes who was Big Twelve members who went
Speaker 3: to Texas said look, man, if you stay, we'll give
Speaker 3: you more of our pie. Hey man, hey man, right literally,
Speaker 3: hey man, don't go, Barry, Barry, don't go. I'm gonna
Speaker 3: give I'm gonna give you twenty five percent of the
Speaker 3: pie I got right now to stay. That's how bad
Speaker 3: it was, man, And they said no, So it's that
Speaker 3: whole thing of heck, you're correct of what esmon you
Speaker 3: would like to get to I mean, he wouldn't How
Speaker 3: cool would it be to see LSU and Arkansas and
Speaker 3: Georgia coming to your place? But the SEC right now
Speaker 3: they're not trying to do anything like that. But hey,
Speaker 3: if you could stay in the ACC right now and
Speaker 3: go win that league and get your automatically, maybe.
Speaker 2: Better for you, maybe better for you.
Speaker 3: All right, we blew the segment, but let's but we
Speaker 3: had fun.
Speaker 2: With the players. We had fun.
Speaker 3: What was taken from this organization in that Green Bay
Speaker 3: loss because they have not woned home since. There's definitely
Speaker 3: some problems going on right now. We're not gonna solve it,
Speaker 3: but we can at least just kind of wonder because
Speaker 3: I do think something happened to their souls after that game,
Speaker 3: because this had the soul step something something you've been
Speaker 3: saying since twenty twenty four.
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Speaker 3: Super Bowl hopes in their first playoff game was at
Speaker 3: home against the Green Bay Packers, a team that was
Speaker 3: kind of struggling a little bit during the year, caught
Speaker 3: fire at the end with the first time starting George
Speaker 3: Love that came in here and they beat the tar
Speaker 3: at forty eight point on big disappointing loss. And the
Speaker 3: Cowboys have not one at home since. So in twenty
Speaker 3: twenty four, the Cowboys are over. And the losses that
Speaker 3: they've had this year, basically they've been down twenty points
Speaker 3: in every single one of them.
Speaker 2: So it's bad.
Speaker 3: And I had a lady at the gym man spinning structure,
Speaker 3: says new it your cowboys over.
Speaker 2: She ain't even a sportsman, like the streets is talking
Speaker 2: like that, like I played for life right. Oh, by
Speaker 2: the way, knew it after all that punishment you just received, Paula,
Speaker 2: you don't even following football like that. It's over everybody
Speaker 2: getting smoked, right.
Speaker 3: So so somewhere along the way, something was lost that
Speaker 3: day because it hasn't been the same since a team
Speaker 3: that's won three won twelve games three years in a
Speaker 3: row went to the playoffs.
Speaker 2: It's bad. And now we know Dak Prescott's gone for
Speaker 2: the year.
Speaker 3: So I'll start with you what happened that day that
Speaker 3: has led to this in europeinion?
Speaker 4: Man, And honestly, I don't think it was the players.
Speaker 4: I think it was Jerry. I think it was Jerry
Speaker 4: in the box after that Green Bay game.
Speaker 2: He'd seen enough. I think you got this.
Speaker 4: You got that in San Francisco twice, San fran at home, right,
Speaker 4: And now Green Bay rolls out here and in the
Speaker 4: biggest moment, you've won all these games at home and
Speaker 4: your team comes out and lays a goose egg for you.
Speaker 4: I think from that moment on, we've been asking the
Speaker 4: question about, you know, building this team and going out
Speaker 4: in free agency and doing all these other other things
Speaker 4: that Jerry hasn't been willing to do. He hasn't been
Speaker 4: willing to go out and get it. Even a Joe
Speaker 4: Mixon not even Joe, you know, let alone Derrick Henry.
Speaker 4: You know, he hadn't been willing to go out to
Speaker 4: get you know, d Hop or any of those guys.
Speaker 4: It was something that he saw that it was. And
Speaker 4: I don't I don't. I don't subscribe to the rebuild
Speaker 4: or soft rebuild, however you want to put it. I
Speaker 4: just don't. But I think it was something in them.
Speaker 4: That's like nine, we got a year to get these
Speaker 4: these deals done. I'm gonna stay you know, stay packed
Speaker 4: with what I got this coaching staff, we still got
Speaker 4: a year under this. I think something changed with the
Speaker 4: organization from the front office then.
Speaker 3: So stay right here. Let me ask you. When you
Speaker 3: hear and you say, do you think he took it personal?
Speaker 2: Hell?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like man, I've been paying guys. Hell yeah, where's
Speaker 3: the ROI return on?
Speaker 4: It's yes, okay, that's and and again I think the players,
Speaker 4: these guys are just that dealing with what they have.
Speaker 4: I mean, we're just talking about the talent that's on
Speaker 4: your fifty three. And I think you look at this
Speaker 4: team now, even with all the injuries on your defense,
Speaker 4: You're like, man, we how do we over overlook this?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: Or how are guys not able to get on the marquise,
Speaker 4: How these guys to get on the field. How are
Speaker 4: these guys? How is these guys still playing on this
Speaker 4: contract right now?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 4: How Why didn't that guy get cut? Uh during summer training.
Speaker 4: It's a lot of that, and I believe that again,
Speaker 4: the lack of going out and pursuing high dollar free
Speaker 4: agents and even bringing in those guys that possibly could
Speaker 4: have helped you internally if we're just talking about defensive.
Speaker 2: Tackle position, just s if we're just talking about defensive
Speaker 2: tackle church, I think a confidence was taken.
Speaker 6: To be honest with you, I mean, this team was
Speaker 6: loaded last year on how many All pros they had
Speaker 6: had to be about five or six at least nine
Speaker 6: All pros, nine All pros. And you're rattling off three
Speaker 6: straight twelve and five seasons. But what to me was
Speaker 6: the main thing about all three of those seasons is
Speaker 6: one question was what can they do against winning teams?
Speaker 2: What can they do against playoff caliber teams?
Speaker 6: You know last year they eked one out against Detroit,
Speaker 6: you know Philadelphia that believe they split that series. But
Speaker 6: other than that, there was always those questions you're gonna
Speaker 6: beat up on the Washington you're gonna beat up on
Speaker 6: the New York Giants. You know, how can we get
Speaker 6: this team to the next level? You get the Green band.
Speaker 6: Green Bay shall likes you. Not only we know everybody
Speaker 6: was talking about how to run defense. That's the Achilles Hill.
Speaker 6: This this team has. Man, Green Bay did it through
Speaker 6: the ground and through the air on you. And so
Speaker 6: you're looking at you just like, man. Wait, we was
Speaker 6: loaded all pro. We had all this talent and a
Speaker 6: young team led by quarterback I believe that was his
Speaker 6: first goal, right, No, that was his first season fully starting.
Speaker 2: Came in there and slacked us.
Speaker 6: I mean that does something to your confidence as a
Speaker 6: group because you're thinking, all right, I could you know,
Speaker 6: and I could be wrong, but in my opinion, they
Speaker 6: was looking past Green Bay. They was thinking, all right,
Speaker 6: you know, we're gonna get this w and then we're
Speaker 6: gonna go on to that that NFC Championship round. And
Speaker 6: they came in there in Green Bay from the get
Speaker 6: go just looked like they were the better team or
Speaker 6: the more hungry team out there. And to me, that
Speaker 6: that that screams that you know, you got your confidence
Speaker 6: snashed and they haven't recovered from that sense, I mean,
Speaker 6: you go into Cleveland, you get a good win against
Speaker 6: a team that was minus the two tackles. We I thought,
Speaker 6: you know, Cleveland was gonna be a you know, a
Speaker 6: pro or a playoff team going into this thing.
Speaker 2: So I'm like, man, a solid victory. This team is
Speaker 2: on its way.
Speaker 6: And then from there on you just look and see, man,
Speaker 6: maybe this team, you know, it wasn't as good as
Speaker 6: we had thought they were going into the preseason. So
Speaker 6: to me, it has to do with confidence. Man, it
Speaker 6: has to be.
Speaker 3: Just went here, looked at our notes. Green Bay was
Speaker 3: a seven point underdog in that game. I picked Dallas
Speaker 3: to win thirty one to twenty.
Speaker 2: Church.
Speaker 3: You had it closer. You had twenty four to twenty
Speaker 3: one Dallas. Danny McCrae had it as seven point. Dallas
Speaker 3: went twenty seven twenty and heck you had it forty
Speaker 3: four to twenty three.
Speaker 2: Dallas spoke one to overlook.
Speaker 5: All that.
Speaker 2: Pretty much.
Speaker 3: We thought they were going to handle business.
Speaker 2: And I know that I know that. What was that Friday?
Speaker 13: Yeah, man, the Cowboys were They had been steamrolling at
Speaker 13: home and doing well at home, and he said something
Speaker 13: was was snatched.
Speaker 2: The soul was snatched that day.
Speaker 3: They have not been the same team. I think about
Speaker 3: the defensive line, which even in that twelve and five season,
Speaker 3: it was two years of people figuring out the way
Speaker 3: to beat the Cowboys by running the ball.
Speaker 2: Remember those commercials that it was a little.
Speaker 3: Flex all seal, the little thing, fix it right, right,
Speaker 3: a little fixing thing, and the guy like that.
Speaker 2: I put this on the bottom of a boat and
Speaker 2: you see him in the boat.
Speaker 3: Rid That's like they put flex al one more time
Speaker 3: on that D line and it just fell through. It's
Speaker 3: fallen through. Tyler Beattish. I didn't agree with them paying
Speaker 3: him ten million. I thought they should let him go.
Speaker 3: But clearly to take someone who's never played center in
Speaker 3: college and put him here in the national football is
Speaker 3: an adjustment. Cooper BB may end up being a good
Speaker 3: player who makes Pro Bowls, but right now, it's an adjustment.
Speaker 3: And in my opinion, I think you played. I didn't play.
Speaker 3: But I just feel like when you try to tell
Speaker 3: somebody to do something they've never done before at.
Speaker 2: The highest level, man, that's that's a tough challenge.
Speaker 6: It's like asking a guy to play that plays nickel corner.
Speaker 6: His whole career played nickel corner. I'm a slot guy
Speaker 6: and get an injury, you gotta bump on the outside
Speaker 6: like that.
Speaker 2: It's a whole different world when you're dealing with that.
Speaker 2: That's why what bland. It was remarkable. Absolutely. So that's
Speaker 2: one on the offensive line.
Speaker 3: Now you're asking a guy in Geydon, who is a
Speaker 3: right tackle at Oklahoma. Hey, man, come to the National
Speaker 3: Football League, Go play on the left side, and there's
Speaker 3: gonna be a.
Speaker 2: Couple of pass rushers. You go see your first seven weeks.
Speaker 3: That's that's that flex all and it broke open, Dad,
Speaker 3: It's it's it's tough.
Speaker 4: Overestimation, you overestimated. And and we've talked. You have talked
Speaker 4: about Beatish quite a lot, and you talked about he
Speaker 4: outpriced itself, you know, basically, but you pay still, you
Speaker 4: pay still, you lit you let Beatish walk. And it's like, Man,
Speaker 4: maybe you should have rethought a lot of that because
Speaker 4: you basically gave up the middle of the field right now.
Speaker 4: You haven't you haven't had any protection in the middle
Speaker 4: of your field right now with a rookie.
Speaker 2: And oh, by the way, I don't care how smart
Speaker 2: they are.
Speaker 4: Like you said, man, that's a challenge to be thrown
Speaker 4: in the situation like that, and these guys are not,
Speaker 4: you know, living up to it. It's just it's just
Speaker 4: hard for them. And defensively, I think you knew what
Speaker 4: didn't we know what Mazi? What did shut comings were?
Speaker 2: Last season?
Speaker 4: We kind of we kind of saw it, and I
Speaker 4: think you already kind of felt like, regardless of who
Speaker 4: you brought in it as a defensive coordinator, you were
Speaker 4: gonna need to get him more help in the middle
Speaker 4: in that rotation.
Speaker 3: They decided to trust somebody without any time proof consistency.
Speaker 2: That was a mistake.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it Yeah, right, that is a mistake.
Speaker 4: But you already you knew what he was. What what
Speaker 4: did you think was gonna happen not and day from
Speaker 4: what you saw the first year?
Speaker 3: Okay, that's a good question. They're thinking, Hey, what did
Speaker 3: we see from Terrence Steel spent his first rook his
Speaker 3: year as an undrafted free agent, and he was he
Speaker 3: was getting told pretty good. And then he made the
Speaker 3: adjustments and improved. We saw Jaylen Tolbert improved. We had
Speaker 3: seen them working with guys and they developed. My issue
Speaker 3: was it was, hey, don't trust him and oh, by
Speaker 3: the way, you need more than him anyway, he and
Speaker 3: Odiggy Zoo. That's just not enough. And they didn't they
Speaker 3: didn't address it. And now you got a first place
Speaker 3: schedule with the kind of defenses of guys they were facing. Man,
Speaker 3: it's bad. Houston comes in this week. There's there's some
Speaker 3: dudes over there.
Speaker 2: Can get to you.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 3: It's it's it's tough. But that we didn't solve the
Speaker 3: world problem. We just at least debated, and Chane.
Speaker 6: You let all your depth pieces walk like the Armstrongs
Speaker 6: the Fowlers of the world.
Speaker 3: And they thought they had death pieces. And then you
Speaker 3: take the injuries with you to take a Sam Williams. Williams,
Speaker 3: the guys you thought you know were gonna help, and
Speaker 3: then your starters going. It created, Man, it created, and
Speaker 3: it was a bad You made a bad bed on
Speaker 3: some things. And it just hasn't happened. And right now
Speaker 3: the Cowboys have the eleventh overall picking the.
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