1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: So uh, it might be dating ourselves here a little 2 00:00:03,640 --> 00:00:07,240 Speaker 1: bit on this week's classic episode, But I can't read 3 00:00:07,280 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: the title without hearing the old Andy Rooney thing. You know, 4 00:00:10,640 --> 00:00:14,120 Speaker 1: what's the deal with? In this case, it's what's the 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:18,119 Speaker 1: deal with skin Walker Ranch? Well, it's the worst ranch 6 00:00:18,200 --> 00:00:20,560 Speaker 1: you can buy. I mean, there's Newman's Own, so many 7 00:00:20,600 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 1: other choices, the make it home ranch. Also, the story 8 00:00:24,320 --> 00:00:28,400 Speaker 1: of ranch as a condiment is fascinating. I know way 9 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,479 Speaker 1: too much about it. It's supposed to be buttermilk, but 10 00:00:31,560 --> 00:00:34,760 Speaker 1: that's that's not the ranch we're talking about today. Oh no, 11 00:00:34,880 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: you're right, you're right, you're right. This is the one 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:39,279 Speaker 1: with all the UFOs. So let's let's put on our 13 00:00:39,320 --> 00:00:43,279 Speaker 1: skin suits and dive right into it. From UFOs two, 14 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,240 Speaker 1: ghosts and government cover ups. History is riddled with unexplained events. 15 00:00:47,760 --> 00:00:50,360 Speaker 1: You can turn back now or learn the stuff they 16 00:00:50,400 --> 00:00:58,000 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. So welcome back to the show. 17 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: My name is Matt and I'm Ben, and we are 18 00:01:00,280 --> 00:01:03,600 Speaker 1: joined as always by our super producer Noll, the A 19 00:01:03,720 --> 00:01:08,440 Speaker 1: T Alien Brown, Oh yeah, the A T Alien little 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,560 Speaker 1: outcasting here this uh, this afternoon, So ladies and gentlemen, 21 00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: today we are going all the way out to Utah. 22 00:01:15,640 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: As many of you know, we're located here in Atlanta, Georgia. 23 00:01:18,800 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: And the reason we're going out to Utah is because 24 00:01:21,200 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 1: there are some things that happen when you're out in 25 00:01:24,400 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: a large open area like many of the places in Utah, 26 00:01:28,959 --> 00:01:31,480 Speaker 1: that you you might see something in the sky, you 27 00:01:31,600 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: might see something that you don't really see on the 28 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,600 Speaker 1: ground that you can't explain. But that's the reason we're 29 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:41,880 Speaker 1: going out there, because there is one particular place that 30 00:01:41,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: that some of these things tend to happen. Ben And 31 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,119 Speaker 1: we've been getting lots and lots of people on Twitter, 32 00:01:46,160 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: on Facebook all over the place saying, you guys have 33 00:01:48,800 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: to cover this location, right. Yeah, We've checked out a 34 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:56,120 Speaker 1: lot of the YouTube comments. I've seen this stuff on 35 00:01:56,160 --> 00:02:00,040 Speaker 1: Facebook and Twitter asking us to cover something that is 36 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,720 Speaker 1: legally known as the Sherman Ranch. As Matt said, it 37 00:02:03,840 --> 00:02:07,800 Speaker 1: is located in a place called Unitalk County, about four 38 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 1: hundred and eighty acres of ranch Land, a little bit 39 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,760 Speaker 1: southeast of a place called Ballard, Utah. But you perhaps 40 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: know it better by it's more famous internet moniker skin 41 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,839 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch. Oh. Yeah, and out here there are all 42 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:28,480 Speaker 1: kinds of alleged things that happened, from cattle mutilations to 43 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:32,960 Speaker 1: UFO sightings of various kinds, lights in the sky, sometimes 44 00:02:33,280 --> 00:02:36,400 Speaker 1: stuff that happens closer to the ground. Sure you'll also 45 00:02:36,600 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: hear You'll also hear other anecdotes about so called sensing 46 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: a present, telepathic intrusions, Poulter Gey stuff again, all anecdotal. 47 00:02:47,960 --> 00:02:51,600 Speaker 1: But before we dive into that. Oh, and that's what 48 00:02:51,639 --> 00:02:54,160 Speaker 1: we're doing, by the way, lads of gentleman spoiler alert, 49 00:02:54,280 --> 00:02:57,320 Speaker 1: we're looking at some of the fact and fiction here. Now, Matt, 50 00:02:57,400 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: you like you hate this stuff? No, no, I do 51 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: not hate this stuff. I just want it to be 52 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:06,160 Speaker 1: real and I want someone to capture something and when 53 00:03:06,200 --> 00:03:08,600 Speaker 1: it's just a human being. Most of the research I've 54 00:03:08,600 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: done on this, you've done the bulk of it. But 55 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:12,880 Speaker 1: a lot of the research I've done in this it's 56 00:03:12,919 --> 00:03:16,239 Speaker 1: just a person talking to another person like this and 57 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,359 Speaker 1: telling a story about what they've experienced. Okay, Well, I 58 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,280 Speaker 1: didn't mean to pigeonhole you by saying you hate it. No, no, no, 59 00:03:22,320 --> 00:03:25,680 Speaker 1: I certainly don't hate it. I I really like the 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: ideas it. It hurts me intellectually when someone is trying 61 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: to convince me so hard that this thing happened, but 62 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:39,840 Speaker 1: they have absolutely zero empirical evidence or yeah, zero zero 63 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 1: universally accepted evan Okay, probably a good way to qualify that. 64 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: So that's what we're gonna do today, ladies and gentlemen. 65 00:03:45,800 --> 00:03:48,000 Speaker 1: We're going to catch you up on a little bit 66 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:52,160 Speaker 1: of one oh one about Skinwalker Ranch or the real name, 67 00:03:52,200 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: the Sherman Ranch, and then we're ultimately going to end 68 00:03:55,480 --> 00:03:59,280 Speaker 1: on asking you the same questions and maybe, if we're lucky, 69 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: somebody in or round Ballard, Utah will give us the 70 00:04:03,440 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: skinny these stuff. They don't want you to know about 71 00:04:06,600 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 1: this location. So let's look at the history, Matt the Uh. 72 00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:12,280 Speaker 1: The history of this, at least as far as the 73 00:04:12,320 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 1: paper trail goes, is relatively recent in comparison to other, 74 00:04:17,080 --> 00:04:19,240 Speaker 1: um you know, so called hot spots for this kind 75 00:04:19,240 --> 00:04:22,720 Speaker 1: of activity. The first documented reports about the Sherman Ranch 76 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: are found in a publication called the Utah Desert News. 77 00:04:26,640 --> 00:04:29,040 Speaker 1: It's out of Salt Lake City. This was written by 78 00:04:29,040 --> 00:04:32,480 Speaker 1: a guy named Zack van ike In or E. Y. C. 79 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:37,080 Speaker 1: K Uh not no relation to David around nineteen nine six. 80 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,640 Speaker 1: And that wasn't the only time it was mentioned. That's right. 81 00:04:39,680 --> 00:04:42,760 Speaker 1: So we were out here, you know, exploring the Olympics 82 00:04:43,200 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: that year, and out there on the other side, there's 83 00:04:46,000 --> 00:04:49,200 Speaker 1: some crazy stuff going down at the Sherman Ranch. Now, 84 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:53,080 Speaker 1: this was later mentioned in Las Vegas Mercury. This was 85 00:04:53,160 --> 00:04:55,760 Speaker 1: also mentioned several times by George and App. I believe 86 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Georgian and App as a person who wrote in the Mercury. Yeah, 87 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:03,799 Speaker 1: he was a coast of show that I personally really enjoy. 88 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:06,080 Speaker 1: I don't know about you called Coast to Coast, a 89 00:05:06,400 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 1: m which we have mentioned briefly before on this on 90 00:05:10,600 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 1: this show. So yeah, the uh, this guy doesn't just 91 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: write a couple of things. He really digs in and 92 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:22,400 Speaker 1: makes this uh something identifiable with him, which, as will learn, 93 00:05:22,560 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: is going to be important later. However, if you are 94 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: to believe the unofficial histories of I think there's a 95 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:33,359 Speaker 1: retired school teacher and then there's a retired military official 96 00:05:33,400 --> 00:05:36,800 Speaker 1: of some sort. Uh. If you're to believe their stories, 97 00:05:36,839 --> 00:05:42,000 Speaker 1: then reports of cattle mutilation in this area, this rough 98 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:47,200 Speaker 1: area go back for decades at least, and allegedly, or 99 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:50,800 Speaker 1: at least we'll see how much of this is true. Allegedly, 100 00:05:51,320 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: these stories tie into something much much older. That's right, 101 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:02,040 Speaker 1: the legend of skinwalkers. This is really cool stuff here. 102 00:06:02,120 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: This is kind of this is the stuff that you 103 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,440 Speaker 1: are really interested in, right, this because this falls into 104 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:12,360 Speaker 1: the folklore area where you've got Native American groups who 105 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: believe that there is this thing called a skin walker, 106 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: which is essentially a shape changer. There are a lot 107 00:06:17,120 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 1: of different types of these. We've talked about like anthropy 108 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 1: a lot in past episodes about werewolves. Um, this is 109 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:28,239 Speaker 1: kind of kind of similar to that, with a couple 110 00:06:28,320 --> 00:06:31,400 Speaker 1: important differences. One of the biggest ones is that the 111 00:06:31,400 --> 00:06:35,280 Speaker 1: skin walker can choose to change shape rather than having 112 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 1: the moon kind of affect their change, right, so the 113 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:40,159 Speaker 1: full moon doesn't have anything to do with it. Skin 114 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 1: Walker just goes okay, it's time change. Uh. Skin walker 115 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:49,240 Speaker 1: can also change into any animal given whatever circumstances they 116 00:06:49,240 --> 00:06:52,920 Speaker 1: find themselves in, such as, Uh, let's say they've got 117 00:06:52,960 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: the pelt of a wolf, just to use the like 118 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: anthropy example, they can then change into the wolf. That 119 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: then you can use any other interchangeable animal there, a 120 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: bear even sure. Yeah, and this this is a common 121 00:07:07,320 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: across various different uh Native American groups. In Navajo folklore, 122 00:07:12,560 --> 00:07:15,800 Speaker 1: for instance, which is where this pops up most often, 123 00:07:15,960 --> 00:07:18,400 Speaker 1: or at least in the In the modern West, this 124 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: is most strongly associated with Navajo. A skin walker is 125 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: a kind of which known as a ye no joshi. 126 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:30,560 Speaker 1: The idea here is similar to some European folklore regarding 127 00:07:30,640 --> 00:07:36,160 Speaker 1: lican thropes, because lican thropes in the older medieval stuff 128 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: and then uh, well, you can listen to the entire 129 00:07:38,920 --> 00:07:41,880 Speaker 1: episode we've done on like n therapy, but quick and 130 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 1: dirty version for you here. As sometimes in different periods 131 00:07:45,920 --> 00:07:49,320 Speaker 1: of the past, people who were thought of as werewolves 132 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: were also thought of as which is It's kind of 133 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: like the old analogy about puzzles and mazes, because not 134 00:07:56,400 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 1: all puzzles are mazes, but all mazes is our puzzles. 135 00:08:01,360 --> 00:08:04,720 Speaker 1: So not all witches are skin walkers, which is a 136 00:08:04,840 --> 00:08:09,360 Speaker 1: kind of which, but all skin walkers are witches. So 137 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:12,480 Speaker 1: most of these which is, are men, and they gain 138 00:08:12,520 --> 00:08:15,440 Speaker 1: their powers through some kind of dark act. Women can 139 00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:19,600 Speaker 1: also be these witches, but only childless women, at least 140 00:08:19,640 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: only childless women can be this sort of which, And 141 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: some of these dark acts would be the murder of 142 00:08:25,240 --> 00:08:28,960 Speaker 1: a blood relative that's pretty heinous, breaking some kind of 143 00:08:29,120 --> 00:08:34,080 Speaker 1: serious cultural taboo or parts participating in some kind of 144 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,199 Speaker 1: perversion of these Navajo traditional rituals. Right, this would be 145 00:08:38,320 --> 00:08:42,320 Speaker 1: the cultural equivalent of celebrating a black Mass or going 146 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 1: to uh A, which is Sabbath. The The one of 147 00:08:46,360 --> 00:08:49,680 Speaker 1: the differences here between the skin walker and the modern 148 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:53,920 Speaker 1: interpretation of the like and throat is that this is 149 00:08:53,920 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: not a situation where someone could accidentally become a skin 150 00:08:57,480 --> 00:09:01,160 Speaker 1: walker because they were bitten by skin walker. This is 151 00:09:01,320 --> 00:09:06,520 Speaker 1: a conscious decision, or this is the direct consequence of 152 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 1: doing something unholy. The ones who murder a blood relative, 153 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: a child, parent, a sibling, they are the ones who 154 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: would get the most, who would become the most powerful. 155 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: And some versions of this, as we said, are found 156 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:26,080 Speaker 1: in many Native American cultures, not just the Navajo. The 157 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:28,839 Speaker 1: Aztec have the now all uh it's a human being 158 00:09:28,880 --> 00:09:33,400 Speaker 1: able to transform into an animal physically or spiritually. And 159 00:09:33,400 --> 00:09:37,680 Speaker 1: then there's the Chilean Chilean or Argentinean chun chon. Now 160 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:41,120 Speaker 1: that's the folklore background of what a skin walker is. 161 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: As we continue our our delve into what the skin 162 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: walker ranches, we're going to find that it isn't necessarily 163 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: related to this. In particular, but there are there are 164 00:09:52,679 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: things relating to aliens also that will come into this 165 00:09:56,559 --> 00:10:00,200 Speaker 1: extra terrestrials and possibly this idea that there is is 166 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: some kind of supernatural entity that exists somewhere on this land, 167 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 1: you know. Uh spoiler alert slight spoiler alert. I love 168 00:10:09,679 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: that you said that you went out and said extraterrestrials 169 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,079 Speaker 1: are aliens because, as we'll find, that's something that the researchers, Uh, 170 00:10:17,280 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 1: that was one of their big pet peeves. But I 171 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 1: think it's I think it's fair to say that the 172 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 1: vast majority of people who were following the developing story 173 00:10:27,840 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: did believe it was extraterrestrial well related exactly. It was 174 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: one of their big pet piece. But it gets into 175 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: some of the things that a couple other characters were 176 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,280 Speaker 1: about to find out, gets into the future worlds that 177 00:10:40,400 --> 00:10:45,000 Speaker 1: they get involved with. So let's continue on here, sure, Okay. So, 178 00:10:45,040 --> 00:10:47,000 Speaker 1: as we said, the ranch was brought to the public 179 00:10:47,040 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: eye largely due to the efforts of this journalist named 180 00:10:49,960 --> 00:10:52,760 Speaker 1: George Knapp, who was then host of a radio show 181 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,120 Speaker 1: called Coast to Coast AM, which is us a great 182 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:58,200 Speaker 1: listen if you get a chance, it's really great. You 183 00:10:58,200 --> 00:11:02,320 Speaker 1: you might recognize the named George Nori currently or Art 184 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 1: Bell for the host of that show George and app 185 00:11:05,280 --> 00:11:07,079 Speaker 1: is pretty great. He I think he hosts on the 186 00:11:07,120 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 1: weekends or a couple of Sundays every once in a while. 187 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: And uh, as he reported on the bizarre alleged occurrences 188 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 1: from this ranch, the publicity caught the attention of an 189 00:11:20,640 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: entrepreneur named Robert Bigelow, who you might also recognize as 190 00:11:24,559 --> 00:11:30,320 Speaker 1: the founder of a company called Bigelow Aerospace. Interesting. Bigelow Aerospace, 191 00:11:30,520 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: they they specialize in trying to create these uh, not 192 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 1: really ruins, but capsules where humans can do things in space, 193 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: right along with Richard Branson and to a lesser degree, 194 00:11:44,280 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: Ellen musk that he's one of the people push he's 195 00:11:48,480 --> 00:11:50,319 Speaker 1: one of the big parts, or at least big Low 196 00:11:50,360 --> 00:11:53,560 Speaker 1: Airspace was one of the big parts of the privatized 197 00:11:53,600 --> 00:12:00,600 Speaker 1: space exploration industry. Pretty interesting there. So Bigelow this ranch 198 00:12:00,720 --> 00:12:05,120 Speaker 1: in and he hired another gentleman named Calm m kellagher 199 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 1: who was a molecular biologist, and he brought him on 200 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:10,719 Speaker 1: to head up the team of PhD s who are 201 00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 1: going to investigate this place. He uh, he called the 202 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,839 Speaker 1: group the National Institute for discovery, science or needs. Here's 203 00:12:19,880 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: what they did. The group monitored the ranch for twenty 204 00:12:22,559 --> 00:12:25,959 Speaker 1: four hours a day and they were scouting for unusual 205 00:12:26,000 --> 00:12:30,959 Speaker 1: phenomenon or anomalies. According to Kellagher, and this is as 206 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:34,720 Speaker 1: told by Brian Dunning from SKEP Toyd. They never came 207 00:12:34,760 --> 00:12:39,640 Speaker 1: back with any incontrovertible physical evidence. Well, they collected a 208 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:43,840 Speaker 1: lot of They collected a lot of video and some audio, 209 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:47,640 Speaker 1: but as we know, that stuff can be a little 210 00:12:47,679 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 1: bit like a Rorschach test. They did, however, see occasional 211 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: cattle mutilations and floating lights. And let's let's take a 212 00:12:55,280 --> 00:12:58,200 Speaker 1: second to address this because a lot of you guys 213 00:12:58,240 --> 00:13:01,680 Speaker 1: out there probably wondering why I just said no physical 214 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:06,480 Speaker 1: evidence and then mentioned cattle mutilations. And the problem here 215 00:13:06,640 --> 00:13:10,440 Speaker 1: is really one of interpretation. To people who believe that 216 00:13:10,640 --> 00:13:14,160 Speaker 1: mutilations must be some sort of proof of the paranormal 217 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:18,320 Speaker 1: or a cryptid or you know, a human being change 218 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 1: in shape and eating cattle, Uh, that is sort of 219 00:13:22,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: looking for an answer. One expects a confirmation bias. But 220 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: to people who consider themselves skeptics, whether they actually are 221 00:13:31,520 --> 00:13:35,600 Speaker 1: or not, which is an important distinction. Uh, these these 222 00:13:35,640 --> 00:13:39,120 Speaker 1: attacks are within the bounds of normal predation, meaning that 223 00:13:39,600 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: a a regular predator common in the area might attack, 224 00:13:43,960 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: or another scavenger might have eaten the corpse. I'd like 225 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 1: even if they died of natural causes. The places where 226 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:56,360 Speaker 1: cattle mutilation or evidence of cattle mutilation is shown is 227 00:13:56,440 --> 00:13:59,319 Speaker 1: usually in the face and or the hind quarters, right. 228 00:13:59,360 --> 00:14:01,760 Speaker 1: And this is somethinging that I think on Discovery Channel 229 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 1: we were there, we discussed this several times about how 230 00:14:04,440 --> 00:14:08,600 Speaker 1: that's those are the entrances to the soft tissues in cattle. 231 00:14:09,360 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: You're not going to go through the tough outer skin. Uh, 232 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: if you're let's say, I don't know, insects that are 233 00:14:15,320 --> 00:14:18,400 Speaker 1: eating away at a carcass, or even vultures eating way 234 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 1: to carcass, or a fox, anything of that nature. Even 235 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:25,640 Speaker 1: micro microbes, they're attacking those two ends right right, And 236 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: I'd like to do h We'll see if I get 237 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:30,640 Speaker 1: to but I'd like to do an episode on cattle 238 00:14:30,720 --> 00:14:35,120 Speaker 1: mutilations in the future because it's a pretty interesting topic, 239 00:14:35,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 1: especially when you get to the people who study different 240 00:14:40,160 --> 00:14:43,960 Speaker 1: types of ways that cattle are attacked, which is which 241 00:14:44,000 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: is fascinating but very grizzly. So that's what they were 242 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:53,640 Speaker 1: looking at. They were primarily looking for unexplained phenomenon or anomalies. 243 00:14:53,760 --> 00:15:00,120 Speaker 1: They were not looking for someone changing shape and a 244 00:15:00,120 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 1: tacking human beings. Yeah, that's why I kind of mentioned 245 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: at the beginning that the skin Walker Ranch doesn't really 246 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:09,640 Speaker 1: seem to have that much to do with the folklore 247 00:15:09,720 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: side of what a skin walker is um really beyond 248 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,120 Speaker 1: the name. M Yeah, and critics will allege this was 249 00:15:17,560 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: largely a market employ to call it the skin Walker 250 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: Ranch rather than the Sherman ranching. And sure, there's a 251 00:15:24,040 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: there's inarguably, uh a vivid image captured there right the 252 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: book you know Nap, George Nap and Colem Kellaher went 253 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:37,160 Speaker 1: on to publish a book called Hunt for the skin Walker, 254 00:15:37,480 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: but this focused mainly on UFO sightings, not on any 255 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: supposed supernatural being. And really, again, a UFO is not 256 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:51,640 Speaker 1: does not necessitate an alien, It simply means unidentified. You 257 00:15:51,680 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: can read some great quotes with Kelleher saying that what 258 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 1: they're trying to do is turn as many unidentified sightings 259 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:03,240 Speaker 1: into identify at objects, which I thought was fair. But also, 260 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,040 Speaker 1: you know, you can read criticism of the way needs 261 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 1: The National Institute for Discovery Science conducted their research. Maybe 262 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: that's a story for another day. I would say, if 263 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: you're interested in some of their studies and some of 264 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,880 Speaker 1: the reports they put out, Ben, you sent me a 265 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 1: link to the way back machine to their website, and 266 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:24,920 Speaker 1: if you're interested, I recommend going to archive dot org 267 00:16:25,000 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: using that way back machine and checking out needs. Right. Yeah, 268 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:31,440 Speaker 1: the way back machine is a super useful tool, especially 269 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 1: for websites that are no longer active. Spoiler alert needs 270 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,000 Speaker 1: is one of them. Uh. This this also is a 271 00:16:39,000 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: good time for us to mention other, um, other alleged things. 272 00:16:44,160 --> 00:16:47,720 Speaker 1: George Knapp has come out before and said that the 273 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: family that was living there before Robert Bigelow purchased the 274 00:16:51,840 --> 00:16:56,920 Speaker 1: property were they moved within just like thirty months of 275 00:16:56,960 --> 00:17:02,800 Speaker 1: living there because of heightened paranormal activity. And we're talking 276 00:17:02,840 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 1: about stuff like going home, putting groceries up in the kitchen, 277 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:09,560 Speaker 1: walking out for a second, and then walking hearing a 278 00:17:09,600 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: tremendous crash, walking back to see everything thrown away from 279 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: the out of the cabinets, right and crockery broken whatnot. 280 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: So let's go and look closer though, at the criticism 281 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:28,640 Speaker 1: or the response for these claims. Sure, So the first 282 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:31,760 Speaker 1: big one with that with the family dealing with you know, 283 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:36,119 Speaker 1: lots of paranormal activity. Um. We there is no record 284 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:39,280 Speaker 1: of the family actually saying this, right, well, at least 285 00:17:39,280 --> 00:17:43,520 Speaker 1: according to what I could find, there was not anything 286 00:17:43,560 --> 00:17:45,880 Speaker 1: from the sherman's going on record and saying that. There's 287 00:17:45,920 --> 00:17:51,080 Speaker 1: plenty of other people saying they said that, but I 288 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:54,919 Speaker 1: wasn't able to find anything that was clearly them saying 289 00:17:55,040 --> 00:17:58,720 Speaker 1: something like that went down. I would love to hear 290 00:17:58,760 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: back from anybody who has a link. You can find 291 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:07,679 Speaker 1: me on the conspiracy stuff Facebook and Twitter. And I'm 292 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:10,479 Speaker 1: sure it really didn't hurt that Mr Bigelow showed up 293 00:18:10,480 --> 00:18:12,520 Speaker 1: and was like, Hey, I really like to buy a ranch. 294 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,600 Speaker 1: Here's lots of money, right yeah. And and they have 295 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: never also, to be fair, they've never come out and 296 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: said there was nothing like that. We're just in the money, um, 297 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 1: which is understandable, but they have not said that. So 298 00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: the concept of skin walkers explored in or earlier like 299 00:18:29,960 --> 00:18:33,600 Speaker 1: Enthrapy episode, which again is I don't know how you feel, Matt, 300 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:34,879 Speaker 1: but it is one that I thought we did a 301 00:18:34,880 --> 00:18:38,879 Speaker 1: pretty good job on. Uh. There there is a genuine 302 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: clinical condition, a genuine clinical like anthrapy, in which people 303 00:18:43,200 --> 00:18:46,439 Speaker 1: do believe they're transforming to an into an animal, and 304 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:51,840 Speaker 1: sometimes it's because some cultural transgression, breaking a taboo, feeling guilty. 305 00:18:52,000 --> 00:18:57,399 Speaker 1: But as we mentioned that earlier show, uh, because you 306 00:18:57,600 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: believe that you are transforming into a creature does not 307 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,360 Speaker 1: mean that you physically are transforming new creature. It can 308 00:19:03,440 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: make you a more dangerous person, but a person nonetheless. 309 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: So we we came up with some speculative answers for 310 00:19:12,040 --> 00:19:16,560 Speaker 1: why these sort of skinwalker like can therapy where jaguar 311 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:19,560 Speaker 1: and other kind of myths came from. Right Oh yeah. 312 00:19:19,600 --> 00:19:22,480 Speaker 1: One of the big ones was looking at and a 313 00:19:22,880 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: person that was doing things that were so horrible you 314 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,160 Speaker 1: couldn't attribute or it was very difficult to attribute those 315 00:19:29,200 --> 00:19:32,400 Speaker 1: actions to a human being. So the thought was that 316 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:35,720 Speaker 1: perhaps there is something else going on here. This isn't 317 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: just a man killing his family or killing eight families 318 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: or something like that. This must be some kind of 319 00:19:43,480 --> 00:19:47,800 Speaker 1: wolf spirit or animal spirit embodying this human. So it 320 00:19:47,880 --> 00:19:51,240 Speaker 1: may just be that serial killers that this was attributed 321 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:53,440 Speaker 1: to them back in the day, or even just someone 322 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:56,880 Speaker 1: who went on a rampage one time. Right yeah. One 323 00:19:56,880 --> 00:19:58,800 Speaker 1: of the cases that we look at. One of the 324 00:19:58,840 --> 00:20:01,800 Speaker 1: most famous aces in that kind of literature is that 325 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:05,800 Speaker 1: of a fellow named Peter Stump. Uh. And Peter Stump 326 00:20:06,080 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: was confessed to numerous crimes, many of which sound a 327 00:20:12,520 --> 00:20:16,359 Speaker 1: little bit exaggerated to be honest. Is so we do 328 00:20:16,520 --> 00:20:19,360 Speaker 1: know that while he was in carcerat, despite eventually being 329 00:20:19,400 --> 00:20:23,240 Speaker 1: executed for the crime of licand Troup, he never managed 330 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: to change into a wolf, despite the phases of the 331 00:20:26,840 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: moon that went you know, went around during his incarceration. 332 00:20:30,160 --> 00:20:35,320 Speaker 1: So we we know that pretty much the not just 333 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,320 Speaker 1: uh skeptics or people who confuse themselves for skeptics, but 334 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: pretty much everybody admits that no one has seen a 335 00:20:44,200 --> 00:20:48,120 Speaker 1: person transformed into an animal, uh, besides on the big 336 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:52,560 Speaker 1: screen or screen right right. So then in along comes 337 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,080 Speaker 1: this gentleman named James Randy that we've discussed several times 338 00:20:56,280 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 1: on this show. Uh. He gave Robert Bigelow one of 339 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: his self made Pegasus Awards. You may be familiar with these. Um, 340 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:10,919 Speaker 1: it's it's kind of an insult, right, Yeah, it's kind 341 00:21:10,920 --> 00:21:14,480 Speaker 1: of like a Darwin Award, which I believe Randy gives. 342 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,000 Speaker 1: I don't know too much about it, but it's not 343 00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:18,960 Speaker 1: a good thing to win. It. It's like a Razzie 344 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 1: or Darwin Award. Razzies are for terrible movies. Darwin is 345 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,119 Speaker 1: for people who are unfortunate enough to die and what 346 00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: could be seen as a stupid way. So yeah, he 347 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:31,080 Speaker 1: gave Big a little one of these for buying the 348 00:21:31,160 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 1: ranch Um, which he said was absolutely useless. Yeah, he 349 00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 1: he said that it was a useless study. You may 350 00:21:39,320 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: recognize Randy, that's R and D I instead of why. 351 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:47,680 Speaker 1: You may recognize him from the thing we mentioned much earlier. 352 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: I mean, he's he's a man of great standing, so 353 00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:52,919 Speaker 1: you probably if you're listening to this show, you've heard 354 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:58,480 Speaker 1: of him before. But he also famously had a a 355 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 1: running content us or I guess challenge where he said 356 00:22:03,119 --> 00:22:07,080 Speaker 1: if someone could present claims or provable things of any 357 00:22:07,119 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 1: any kind of paranormal, psychic or supernatural events of anything 358 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:15,400 Speaker 1: from a ghost to claravoyance or telepathy, he would give 359 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: them one million dollars. That study is currently no longer running, 360 00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:23,199 Speaker 1: which you know is is kind of a bummer, but 361 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: I get it. It's probably expensive to maintain it. Uh. 362 00:22:26,320 --> 00:22:29,520 Speaker 1: For the record, according to him, no one ever beat it. Uh. 363 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:34,680 Speaker 1: Some of his critics said that it was um unfair, 364 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: but also you know, I also I have I have 365 00:22:39,640 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: not signed up where nor do I know anyone who has, 366 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: so I don't know what the actual processes, but apparently 367 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: it's very transparent and you can check some of that 368 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,520 Speaker 1: out on his various websites. Yeah, you can find videos 369 00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 1: as well, all over the internets of people attempting and 370 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: failing to to do that. Um. To be fair, I 371 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I in previous episodes, I really held James Randy up 372 00:23:03,600 --> 00:23:07,560 Speaker 1: in this light that he was this beacon of truth 373 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: and like things that I really enjoyed. But I don't know. 374 00:23:12,880 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 1: The more of these videos I watched, I'm I'm a 375 00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:17,280 Speaker 1: little nervous saying this, but I feel like maybe he's 376 00:23:17,320 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: kind of a jerk. Well, I guess the best way, 377 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,120 Speaker 1: the most fair way to say something like that is 378 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:31,840 Speaker 1: that uh, human beings right, emotional creatures and being creatures 379 00:23:31,880 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: that are wont to classify the world into an US 380 00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:44,639 Speaker 1: versus them. Uh. People can readily become antagonistic toward anything 381 00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: that they see as different. And I understand I completely 382 00:23:49,359 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 1: agree with on on a personal level, And guys, is 383 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,120 Speaker 1: just my opinion. I completely agree with someone who wants 384 00:23:55,160 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 1: to remove the danger of a con artist to Charlotte 385 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,800 Speaker 1: ten or a swindler from from the world. Because it's 386 00:24:03,840 --> 00:24:07,320 Speaker 1: true that that people have been taken advantage of numerous 387 00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: times by someone claiming to speak with the dead, and 388 00:24:10,760 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: the dead just happened to want you to give them money, right, 389 00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:20,320 Speaker 1: that that does happen. However, as anybody who has taken 390 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:26,040 Speaker 1: a psychology course ever, or maybe read a book, or 391 00:24:26,160 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: maybe really listen to someone once or twice, has anybody 392 00:24:29,480 --> 00:24:31,880 Speaker 1: who has ever done one of those three things knows 393 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,960 Speaker 1: the way to persuade people. If you really care, if 394 00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:39,240 Speaker 1: you really give enough of a well ware family shows, 395 00:24:39,320 --> 00:24:43,400 Speaker 1: I'll say crap. If it matters to you that someone 396 00:24:43,760 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: sees a truth right or someone sees an error of 397 00:24:46,560 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 1: the ways, then there has to be an amount of 398 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:52,360 Speaker 1: empathy involved. There's a reason that yelling at people, bullying them, 399 00:24:52,440 --> 00:24:55,800 Speaker 1: calling them names never gets them to say, oh, you 400 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,240 Speaker 1: have been rude enough to me or abuse me enough 401 00:24:58,560 --> 00:25:01,639 Speaker 1: that I think you are right, and Star Trek the 402 00:25:01,640 --> 00:25:04,600 Speaker 1: next generation is better or whatever. I know, Like, it 403 00:25:04,640 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: doesn't really matter what the actual content of the of 404 00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 1: the argument process is, because it's about the process, not 405 00:25:11,760 --> 00:25:14,239 Speaker 1: about the content. That being said, I think it's done 406 00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: the world a great service. I think it is an 407 00:25:16,080 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: unfortunate error, however, on the part of a lot of 408 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 1: other people who like me, are are fans of some 409 00:25:23,280 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: of this guy's work. It's just an unfortunate and just 410 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:32,919 Speaker 1: tragic error to use the excuse that people believe in 411 00:25:33,040 --> 00:25:36,000 Speaker 1: something you don't believe in, especially if it's wrong and 412 00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:38,439 Speaker 1: you could help them, to use as an excuse to 413 00:25:38,720 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 1: bully someone or or to mock them, you know, Like I, 414 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 1: I don't go to someone who believes something that I 415 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: think is um foolish, especially if they're not hurting anybody, 416 00:25:52,119 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: to yell at them or to deride them. So that 417 00:25:56,560 --> 00:26:00,280 Speaker 1: my some some part of my neural mechan is UM 418 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:02,880 Speaker 1: gets a little bit of a high off of persecuting 419 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,280 Speaker 1: the other. That's a sad thing. And you know, I'd 420 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,160 Speaker 1: love to hear what you think about this, listeners, because 421 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:14,080 Speaker 1: ultimately the emphasis should be on finding the truth, not 422 00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:19,840 Speaker 1: making people feel like garbage. Yeah, that's a rant. Sorry, 423 00:26:19,880 --> 00:26:22,439 Speaker 1: that's a rant. And I and I don't want people to, 424 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,919 Speaker 1: you know, vilify James Randy. I've never met him personally, 425 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,560 Speaker 1: And again, I think that saving innocent people from someone 426 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,000 Speaker 1: who would take advantage of them is a noble thing 427 00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 1: to do. But that's so far away. That's that's very 428 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,560 Speaker 1: little to do with the biggest awards, which we we 429 00:26:43,600 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: had to include because it's it's a pretty it's a 430 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:50,240 Speaker 1: pretty funny pun. And I'd love to see other people 431 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,280 Speaker 1: who are other organizations who are rewarded this. I wonder 432 00:26:53,320 --> 00:26:56,400 Speaker 1: what his criteria is. But like we said earlier, one 433 00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:58,760 Speaker 1: of the other things that they studied here at the 434 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:03,040 Speaker 1: ranch were these glowing lights that kept being reported, and 435 00:27:03,280 --> 00:27:06,359 Speaker 1: there are numerous attempts to explain this phenomenal what the 436 00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 1: heck is going on there? Most of these were hinging 437 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:14,360 Speaker 1: on some of the more mundane explanations, like an aircraft 438 00:27:14,520 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: that would be going by with lights that are flashing, 439 00:27:17,680 --> 00:27:21,840 Speaker 1: or some kind of gas um. You know, we've heard 440 00:27:21,840 --> 00:27:25,800 Speaker 1: a lot of these things before. Yeah, meteorological phenomenon. Yeah, 441 00:27:25,840 --> 00:27:29,639 Speaker 1: it's it's weird because you'll you will hear these reports 442 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:34,960 Speaker 1: of glowing orbs, right, that's something that frequently happens, and 443 00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: these have been explained before. Is I mean to paraphrase 444 00:27:39,560 --> 00:27:41,880 Speaker 1: Beauty and the Beasts, it's a tail as old as time. 445 00:27:41,960 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: Reports of will of the WHISP go back decades and 446 00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:49,199 Speaker 1: decades and decades and centuries. Well, the fact of the 447 00:27:49,240 --> 00:27:54,639 Speaker 1: matter is that as far as mainstream science goes, including 448 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,760 Speaker 1: in many cases the team at NEEDS that was investigating this, 449 00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: there are there is a wealth of possible explanations for 450 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:10,160 Speaker 1: these things, none of which are necessarily extra terrestrial. And 451 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:14,359 Speaker 1: and these guys have said before and the interviews that 452 00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:19,160 Speaker 1: they weren't necessarily out to find finger quotes or air 453 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:21,800 Speaker 1: quotes aliens. They were they were trying to find some 454 00:28:21,840 --> 00:28:25,400 Speaker 1: sort of explanation for this. But no one has come 455 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: up with an instance of one of these alleged glowing 456 00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,479 Speaker 1: lights that could not be explained by something else, or 457 00:28:34,520 --> 00:28:39,920 Speaker 1: even more importantly, that could be explained by something outside 458 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,200 Speaker 1: of the bounds of regular science, which you know, makes 459 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: me wish that Jonathan we're here, because this is one 460 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,280 Speaker 1: of his favorite hobby horses to ride, right, Yeah, he 461 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:50,160 Speaker 1: would get on this horse and oh man, you wouldn't 462 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 1: see him again for a week. Right. So you know, 463 00:28:54,040 --> 00:28:56,280 Speaker 1: I love that you point out it could be airplanes 464 00:28:56,920 --> 00:29:01,120 Speaker 1: in the distance, because that that tells uh, that tells 465 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,960 Speaker 1: us something interesting and that we go into in our 466 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:07,520 Speaker 1: video series that also came out this week, which was great. 467 00:29:07,560 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: You mentioned at the top, Matt that it was interesting 468 00:29:11,080 --> 00:29:16,160 Speaker 1: to you that Bigelow was investigating this stuff and also 469 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 1: founding an aerospace company. Oh yeah, an aerospace company out 470 00:29:21,320 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: there near Las Vegas, which I don't know. He's at 471 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: least interested in going to space, right, and if if 472 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,320 Speaker 1: he wants to do more research in that realm and 473 00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:37,160 Speaker 1: he wants to take human beings eventually to space, I 474 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:42,000 Speaker 1: don't know. He I'm I'm interested in this gentleman's uh 475 00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:45,240 Speaker 1: that maybe the things that he wouldn't release to the press, 476 00:29:45,280 --> 00:29:47,320 Speaker 1: that he wouldn't give out an official press release, some 477 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: of his beliefs. I want to sit down with this 478 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: dude and and talk to him one day. I'm not 479 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,760 Speaker 1: a millionaire, so I don't know that's ever gonna happen, 480 00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:58,600 Speaker 1: but uh, one can dream, Yeah, who knows, One can 481 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,800 Speaker 1: always dream? Right? I want to take it a step further. 482 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: This is something we talked about, you and I have 483 00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: talked about numerous times off the air, which is that 484 00:30:08,000 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: many many of the UFO reports from a few decades 485 00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:18,560 Speaker 1: earlier turned out to be top secret aircraft that the 486 00:30:18,640 --> 00:30:22,080 Speaker 1: US was testing, and for that time they were doing 487 00:30:22,880 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: phenomenal things that were just far beyond easily a decade 488 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:32,200 Speaker 1: beyond public technology. We're talking about craft that could fly 489 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: across the United States in less than half the time 490 00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:40,960 Speaker 1: that would take a normal or a publicly known aircraft. 491 00:30:41,080 --> 00:30:45,920 Speaker 1: So it's completely possible that some of these things that 492 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:50,280 Speaker 1: are being seen are actually aircraft being tested, you know. 493 00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:54,200 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, And especially in the late nineties, like that man, 494 00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,800 Speaker 1: the tech was. We may not even know some of 495 00:30:56,840 --> 00:30:59,720 Speaker 1: the things that were being developed at that time. I mean, 496 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:02,160 Speaker 1: on a sleep, we we may not know yet, right 497 00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: like when everybody found out that stealth helicopters exist because 498 00:31:06,280 --> 00:31:11,720 Speaker 1: one crashed. Wait what yeah, So, so it's completely possible. 499 00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:15,040 Speaker 1: Just because there isn't any evidence at this point that 500 00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:20,160 Speaker 1: it's something supernatural doesn't mean that there is not um, 501 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:22,440 Speaker 1: there's not secrecy of foot you know what I mean. 502 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:26,800 Speaker 1: And at this point, if we sum it up, if 503 00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:29,520 Speaker 1: we sum up skin Walker Ranch, then as near as 504 00:31:29,520 --> 00:31:34,000 Speaker 1: we could find, it seems that the investigations of needs, 505 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,560 Speaker 1: which disbanded, uh, the investigations of Needs bore little in 506 00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,680 Speaker 1: the way of inarguable evidence, at least in the case 507 00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: of Sherman or skin Walker Ranch. And like I said, earlier. 508 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: You're gonna hear anecdotes. If you just type in skin 509 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch into any search bar, you're gonna find all 510 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,960 Speaker 1: kinds of fun anecdotes that make me. It takes me 511 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:56,800 Speaker 1: back to my X Files days where I just want 512 00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:59,160 Speaker 1: to go, oh, man, I love this, this is so cool. 513 00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: Hopefully there's some kind of shred of evidence that I 514 00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:06,040 Speaker 1: can hang my beliefs on. But you're really not going 515 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,720 Speaker 1: to find it. They didn't. They didn't find any kind 516 00:32:08,760 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 1: of body or unidentified animal they could explain these the 517 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:17,240 Speaker 1: cattle mutilations that they were looking into. Um, and really 518 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:20,920 Speaker 1: they didn't make any video that would satisfactorily show some 519 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:24,680 Speaker 1: kind of this inexplicable light that they kept talking about 520 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:29,560 Speaker 1: that would just it's just it's it's so disappointing to me. Ben, Yeah, 521 00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:31,800 Speaker 1: I get it. And there's a quote that I'd like 522 00:32:31,880 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: to pull from an A M A and ask me anything. 523 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 1: Thread that that George Nepp participated in on Reddit. This 524 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:45,960 Speaker 1: this response when when he was asked why I can't 525 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,440 Speaker 1: exactly remember, but I think he was asked about skim 526 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,440 Speaker 1: Walker Ranch when his experiences were like because he went 527 00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:56,800 Speaker 1: there numerous times, right, and he was asked about um 528 00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 1: in some very polite way about evidence lack thereof, and 529 00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:02,560 Speaker 1: he said that he felt at times there was some 530 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: sort of intelligence that seemed aware of things, was one 531 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:11,840 Speaker 1: step ahead of everybody. And if and this is a 532 00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:16,280 Speaker 1: huge gargangeline purple Mountains of Majesty's size, if there is 533 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:20,120 Speaker 1: something bizarre foot at skim Walker Ranch, it has yet 534 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,320 Speaker 1: to be proven, unless, of course, there's something. I guess 535 00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:28,400 Speaker 1: the ranch or whatever powers behind it don't want us 536 00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:34,440 Speaker 1: to know that idea of an intelligent being that is 537 00:33:34,520 --> 00:33:37,000 Speaker 1: doing all of these things. It's behind the mutilations, it's 538 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:42,040 Speaker 1: behind the lights. I love it. The kid in me 539 00:33:42,280 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 1: loves it. And one day, hopefully it will be proven 540 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:48,320 Speaker 1: by the third wave of researchers that go and stay 541 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:54,360 Speaker 1: at the Sherman Ranch one day perhaps. So, what what 542 00:33:54,400 --> 00:33:57,200 Speaker 1: do you think about these stories about skim Walker Ranch? 543 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: Is this just a bunch of who he is? There's 544 00:34:00,120 --> 00:34:04,880 Speaker 1: something genuinely strange and disturbing going on, And I know 545 00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,319 Speaker 1: these Uh, I know this will probably be a bit 546 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 1: of a divisive topic for us, uh Because I I 547 00:34:12,040 --> 00:34:15,719 Speaker 1: think this stuff is fascinating and I love seeing there 548 00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:19,520 Speaker 1: is some sort of explanation and if you have to speculate, 549 00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 1: that's fine to let us know what you think it 550 00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:27,200 Speaker 1: could possibly be. Uh. If you all are like me, um, 551 00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:32,560 Speaker 1: profoundly disappointed that people don't actually turn into animals, whether 552 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:39,160 Speaker 1: whether through some horrible transgression or some dark right, then uh, 553 00:34:39,280 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 1: let me know about that too. We can both complain 554 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: together online. You can find me on Facebook. I do 555 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,080 Speaker 1: the Facebook and I do the Twitter here, uh, and 556 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,400 Speaker 1: you can see a lot of stories I find that 557 00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: don't typically make it onto the air or on the news. 558 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: Matt and I are both into uncaught serial killers. And 559 00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,040 Speaker 1: just for an example, one of recent stories that we 560 00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:06,120 Speaker 1: posted we're recording this uh involves a possible uncaught serial 561 00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:11,080 Speaker 1: killer in a small town in Ohio. So do visit 562 00:35:11,200 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: us at Facebook dot com forward slash conspiracy stuff to 563 00:35:15,080 --> 00:35:19,560 Speaker 1: check that out. And I, oh, we been that freaking 564 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:21,799 Speaker 1: sound is back again. You can only mean one thing. 565 00:35:22,440 --> 00:35:27,839 Speaker 1: It must be our movement with Noll. Hello, hey, hey, 566 00:35:27,880 --> 00:35:29,920 Speaker 1: know how's it going? Man? That's going okay? How are 567 00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:34,200 Speaker 1: you guys doing all right? Doing alright? Uh? So the 568 00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:37,640 Speaker 1: question for you and you might have some questions to uh, 569 00:35:37,680 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 1: if you could just at will transform into an animal, 570 00:35:43,040 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: any animal? What would what would it be? Oh any 571 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:49,840 Speaker 1: any um? I guess we should qualify any non fictional 572 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 1: fictional animals. So no like dragons, which is clearly the 573 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:57,280 Speaker 1: best one. No final fantasy summons. You know my answer 574 00:35:57,360 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: my surprise, you ben, because you you know about me 575 00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:05,040 Speaker 1: that I hate and slash I'm terrified of birds. But 576 00:36:05,160 --> 00:36:08,680 Speaker 1: that just seems like the most obvious go to thing 577 00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: because it would be no for transportation alone, I wouldn't 578 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:13,960 Speaker 1: have to book flights anymore. You could just you know, 579 00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,920 Speaker 1: turn into an eagle and go to the keys or whatever. 580 00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:19,040 Speaker 1: You know, be some pretty long flights though, I know, 581 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:20,719 Speaker 1: but you get eased to it, right, I guess yeah, 582 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:22,200 Speaker 1: I guess it depends on what kind of bird you 583 00:36:22,239 --> 00:36:24,439 Speaker 1: would be, Like would you be a migratory bird? Would 584 00:36:24,440 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: you be a frigate bird? I believe they're the ones 585 00:36:26,680 --> 00:36:29,120 Speaker 1: that can stay in air for days at a time. 586 00:36:29,680 --> 00:36:32,640 Speaker 1: But yeah, one of those. But they're terrible on the ground. Yeah, 587 00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:34,239 Speaker 1: they're pretty bad. Well, you don't have to be a 588 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:35,759 Speaker 1: bird in the grow you turn back into it a 589 00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:40,200 Speaker 1: person that well what about you met? Oh gosh, I 590 00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,200 Speaker 1: would I would probably go with small, small fox. The 591 00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: small fox, Yeah, just a tiny, little fox. It's cool, man, 592 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: I just want to make videos. I would set up 593 00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:52,560 Speaker 1: a camera, turn into small fox, make a little fox 594 00:36:52,600 --> 00:36:56,239 Speaker 1: sounds for the video, like turn back into human, stop 595 00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:59,400 Speaker 1: the recording, and then upload it to YouTube. Take over YouTube. 596 00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:01,920 Speaker 1: That would be great. I gotta watch out for those 597 00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:07,520 Speaker 1: old rich dudes on horseback wearing the red coats. Okay, 598 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,120 Speaker 1: it makes me think of invisible. Yes. So I don't 599 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:15,160 Speaker 1: know what which one I would be. It's such a 600 00:37:15,320 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: such a big choice. I guess would be kind of 601 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 1: cool to be a whale, but I don't know. I 602 00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:26,200 Speaker 1: don't know if I have the voice for it. Uh. 603 00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:31,319 Speaker 1: I asked my asked my girlfriend recently, and without hesitation, 604 00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,479 Speaker 1: she was like a house cat turn into a cat. 605 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 1: I said, what would you do? And she said I 606 00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:40,000 Speaker 1: would learn secrets, which is which is a great answer, 607 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: but I completely don't understand that, and it makes me 608 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,960 Speaker 1: not trust cat. Would you do as a as a whale? 609 00:37:45,280 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 1: As a whale? I don't like, just hang out, swim 610 00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:53,120 Speaker 1: around and I guess talk trash or like probably, man, 611 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,480 Speaker 1: if you're gonna go whale, go full whale, don't go 612 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: eight and a half yards, you know, I don't know, man, more, 613 00:37:58,680 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 1: I think about it, the more whale seems like a 614 00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,239 Speaker 1: lame answer. Maybe I don't know a bird would be cool. 615 00:38:05,280 --> 00:38:08,280 Speaker 1: I always you know you know this about about me? Guys, 616 00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:10,640 Speaker 1: Like I've gone through period where I really want to 617 00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:14,919 Speaker 1: befriend corvid's like crows or ravens, because they're so very 618 00:38:14,960 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: intelligent and you can teach them to recognize you and 619 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:21,160 Speaker 1: they'll teach their young to recognize you. Um, but I 620 00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:22,959 Speaker 1: think I just want to hang with them. I want 621 00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 1: to be like they're token human. I don't wanna You 622 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: don't think they would pick on you like I feel 623 00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,560 Speaker 1: like crows would just hate me. Why is that, man, 624 00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 1: you're really good with I mean, you're good with people. 625 00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 1: I assume it goes to birds just because I'm not. 626 00:38:35,840 --> 00:38:37,960 Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm not a chrome man. I think 627 00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,160 Speaker 1: they would just they would drag on me all they'd 628 00:38:40,200 --> 00:38:43,040 Speaker 1: write jokes. Well there because you know there's some kind 629 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: of bill berr crow or raven and he's the one 630 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,680 Speaker 1: that I would end up hanging out with. The bilber 631 00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:51,160 Speaker 1: just write on me all day. So so no, you 632 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,680 Speaker 1: would be an eagle. Huh. You know I had to 633 00:38:53,680 --> 00:38:55,279 Speaker 1: give us some more thought. That's just the first thing 634 00:38:55,280 --> 00:38:56,879 Speaker 1: that comes to mind. Like I said, just if I'm 635 00:38:56,920 --> 00:39:01,719 Speaker 1: being purely functional about my skin walking, yeah, I feel 636 00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: like flight would be a little bit better than than 637 00:39:04,200 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 1: swimming to and and whales are incredibly intelligent, but you know, 638 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:11,920 Speaker 1: you're kind of limited in what you can do. You're 639 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:15,439 Speaker 1: also a pretty big target, you know. Oh that's right. Yeah. 640 00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,839 Speaker 1: Did you know Japan is going to unilaterally begin it's 641 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 1: whaling program again? So maybe poor timing on my part 642 00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:27,560 Speaker 1: too soon? All right, well, you know what, let's check 643 00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:31,719 Speaker 1: back in next week unless unless you've got anything I 644 00:39:31,760 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: just did. The one thing that I guess I was 645 00:39:33,280 --> 00:39:35,600 Speaker 1: thinking about is do you guys both read or watch 646 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:38,919 Speaker 1: the Game of Thrones? The see Oh yeah, yeah, there's 647 00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:42,880 Speaker 1: the skin changers or whatever in that show, and and 648 00:39:42,880 --> 00:39:45,680 Speaker 1: I guess it's not they're not exactly transforming, but they're 649 00:39:45,760 --> 00:39:50,120 Speaker 1: sort of inhabiting, you know, the totem creatures. I just 650 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: kind of felt like there had to be a parallel 651 00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:56,120 Speaker 1: between the terms skin changer and yeah, yeah, that would 652 00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,600 Speaker 1: be you know, that would be at least an influence. 653 00:39:58,680 --> 00:40:01,520 Speaker 1: Pretty cool. I don't know what be better to have 654 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:04,160 Speaker 1: an animal that like you, inhabit the body of or 655 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:06,520 Speaker 1: would be better to change into one, because if you 656 00:40:06,520 --> 00:40:10,040 Speaker 1: think about it, the drawback to that kind of thing 657 00:40:10,080 --> 00:40:12,520 Speaker 1: is you always end up naked at the end. That's true. 658 00:40:12,760 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: That does seem really inconvenient. I think the vulnerabilities of 659 00:40:15,440 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: changing into an animal, especially if it's a much smaller animal, 660 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:22,560 Speaker 1: I think that's dangerous. So being able to warp into one, 661 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: but then you leave your physical body, you know, if 662 00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: it's unattended, someone could always you know, that exercise. Maybe 663 00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,279 Speaker 1: I should stick with the ocean so that we have 664 00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,759 Speaker 1: this whole land air sea thing going on for like 665 00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:42,000 Speaker 1: Superhero true a whale and eagle in a tiny fox. Yeah, 666 00:40:42,040 --> 00:40:44,320 Speaker 1: I'm still I'm not sold on whale. Maybe just a 667 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,840 Speaker 1: sharp oh an octopus? Oh man, those things are cool. 668 00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:50,080 Speaker 1: We are pretty cool. I don't know. I don't know. 669 00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: That's a little bit love crafty and okay, guys, so 670 00:40:53,880 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: let us know. I guess in addition, what kind of 671 00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,120 Speaker 1: animal you would want to transform into. We're just curious. 672 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: We're just no one's no one's getting graded. We're not 673 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 1: gonna be We're not gonna read your email or I 674 00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,160 Speaker 1: won't read your tweet or your Facebook and think that's 675 00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:11,319 Speaker 1: a dumb animal or whatever. Because, let's face it, a 676 00:41:11,400 --> 00:41:14,480 Speaker 1: whale was kind of out there. It's not the most practical. Yeah, 677 00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,400 Speaker 1: and he's he's kidding the fox. Come on, let we 678 00:41:17,400 --> 00:41:21,479 Speaker 1: we will not judge you at all. Very interested though, 679 00:41:21,719 --> 00:41:24,960 Speaker 1: because that that really is a childhood thing, right, the 680 00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: idea of being embodying an animal. Oh yeah, absolutely from 681 00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:37,000 Speaker 1: people have animals with which they identify on a spiritual 682 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: level to righte um, a certain spirit animal and maybe 683 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:45,000 Speaker 1: a totem of some sort that people worship. Uh so, yeah, 684 00:41:45,080 --> 00:41:48,319 Speaker 1: i'd be I'd be interested to hear about that. Oh 685 00:41:48,320 --> 00:41:53,399 Speaker 1: what about a spider if he's changed into a spider? Yeah, Okay, 686 00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,719 Speaker 1: One time, this is I don't know if I ever 687 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:57,480 Speaker 1: told you this, and I don't know if it's the 688 00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:58,960 Speaker 1: right with how to say it on air. But just 689 00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,120 Speaker 1: one more thing. One time I had this like recurring 690 00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,360 Speaker 1: dream where I cut myself in instead of blood, I 691 00:42:04,360 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: would like bleat spiders. Lord, and I found out that 692 00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: I was actually a massive spiders that had like stolen 693 00:42:12,280 --> 00:42:15,960 Speaker 1: someone's skin and just thought I was a human being. 694 00:42:16,040 --> 00:42:19,759 Speaker 1: It was trippy, man, that happened inside your head? Yeah, 695 00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:22,400 Speaker 1: well it was a dream. It's not real. I'm a person, 696 00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:27,040 Speaker 1: oh man, that is that's horrifying. Yeah, well, uh, speaking 697 00:42:27,080 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 1: to Fantastic Segways, it's I guess it's time for us 698 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,520 Speaker 1: to head out. Huh. 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