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Speaker 2: It's my half birthday. It's my half birthday, which is

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Speaker 2: Of course, I have no plans for donuts today, though,

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Speaker 2: But I wanted to go thematic with today's show, which

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Speaker 1: That's all. Well, look, happy half birthday to you. Thank

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Speaker 1: Now securely in our college football off season, Dan and

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Speaker 1: College football's year round sport these days, is it not.

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Speaker 2: They were awful. And this was a team that is

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Speaker 1: But they just didn't have it. Up front.

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Speaker 1: My question is this though. All right, so we obviously

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Speaker 2: It's pressure, It's all pressure. Because and you know this

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Speaker 2: They brought pressure on Drake May and that seemed to

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Speaker 2: The schedule works out well. They don't have any like

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and to further your point tackle success rate, which

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Speaker 1: Sorry. UNC twenty first points per drive on offense, one

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Speaker 1: it was all my it was all. If he had

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Speaker 1: gotten hurt, we'd be talking about a much different story

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Speaker 1: this past season. Thankfully, he was stood the pressure. He

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Speaker 1: was stood, you know, posing defenses coming for him on

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Speaker 1: every play, and North Carolina was able to get the

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Speaker 1: job done on that side of the ball. The point

436
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Speaker 1: in the season, though, that I think we will study,

437
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Speaker 1: is as we got into I believe Week twelve, Carolina

438
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Speaker 1: blew a seventeen point lead against Georgia Tech, and it

439
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Speaker 1: doesn't seem like from that point forward they ever fully recovered. No,

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Speaker 1: they lost that game to Tech, they lost the next

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Speaker 1: week against NC State, they lost the following week in

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Speaker 1: the conference championship games I said earlier against Clemson, and

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Speaker 1: then they lost a Bowl game against Oregon. So whatever

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Speaker 1: took place in that Georgia Tech game, I don't know

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Speaker 1: if if that was their one two three can Kun

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Speaker 1: moment of the year, but whatever happened in week twelve

447
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Speaker 1: and never got over that never.

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Speaker 2: Got I mean, Drake May didn't look like a Heisman

449
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Speaker 2: Trophy candidate. No, still looked fine, but did not look

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Speaker 2: like a Heisman Trophy candidate. And when the entire plane

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Speaker 2: is built out of Drake May and he the material

452
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Speaker 2: seems to be a little bit flimsier than normal. God,

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Speaker 2: these are very tenuous tries. It's a nee for effort,

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Speaker 2: thank you, Then everything's going to fall apart. And so

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Speaker 2: what we saw early from North Carolina right even that

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Speaker 2: first game was against Florida A and M. This year

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Speaker 2: the Florida A and M game and then app State

458
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Speaker 2: was a disaster. The shootout in the sixties is that

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Speaker 2: what I'm seeing here?

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Speaker 1: Correct? It's sixty three to sixty one, Chris not a

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Speaker 1: typo crazy.

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Speaker 2: So that was an indication, I'll due respect to app

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Speaker 2: State and Chase Brice that something might still be a miss.

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Speaker 2: Even after hiring Gene Chiswick to run the defense. Again,

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Speaker 2: hiring gene Chisick to run the defense, and so what

466
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Speaker 2: we got out of North Carolina was some okay defensive

467
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Speaker 2: performances halfway through the year, but really this was not

468
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Speaker 2: a defense that could be counted on for anything consistently positive.

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Speaker 2: And the biggest thing too, and it comes back to

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Speaker 2: what we talked about with Oregon zero pressure. It was

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Speaker 2: just arguably the worst pass rushing team in America. And

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Speaker 2: this is a North Carolina program that has recruited very

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Speaker 2: well under mac Brown relatively speaking. They had some down

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Speaker 2: years at the end of the Larry Fedora era. But

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Speaker 2: this is mac Brown's roster and he has not figured

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Speaker 2: it out up front. He didn't figure it out with

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Speaker 2: his first defensive coordinator hire in Jay Bateman. He has

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Speaker 2: not figured it out in the early going with gene Chiswick.

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Speaker 2: Whether it's a vision for what the scheme should be,

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Speaker 2: or the type of players they're recruiting, or the type

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Speaker 2: of you know, the situational blitzing, whatever, they have nothing.

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Speaker 2: They have nothing when it comes to the pass rush.

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Speaker 2: And so this it was not an acc stacked with

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Speaker 2: killers at quarterback, you know, the Pac twelve. At least

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Speaker 2: you can say, yeah, Caleb Williams. You have dtr you

486
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Speaker 2: have Cam Rising, you have bow Nicks. Right, there's some

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Speaker 2: excuse to be like, look, you're going to take some

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Speaker 2: lumps from these PAC twelve offenses. Not the case in

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Speaker 2: the ACC with the quarterbacks on hand. You know, it

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Speaker 2: was kind of I apologize for any sort of rature here,

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Speaker 2: but in terms of consistent excellence, was it Jordan Travis?

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Speaker 2: And yeah, who am I missing?

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Speaker 1: No? Am I missing?

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Speaker 2: Like Sam Hartman was really good for stretches but had

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Speaker 2: some catastruphe stretches, So what North Carolina's defense was not

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Speaker 2: able to do? And then how they've been hit in

497
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Speaker 2: the portal and then and look it's January twenty fifth,

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Speaker 2: my half birthday. Once again, they have not made appreciable changes.

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Speaker 2: They have not made dramatic portal acquisitions, and they have

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Speaker 2: not fired and brought in new coaches and or just

501
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Speaker 2: tried to tweak things. Maybe it'll happen at another point,

502
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Speaker 2: but the secondary is kind of all gone. Storm Dok

503
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Speaker 2: is off to Penn State, Tony Grimes, the former five star,

504
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Speaker 2: he's off to text A and M. They lost other

505
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Speaker 2: key guys in the portal through the in the secondary.

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Speaker 2: The positive about North Carolina is They've got a linebacking

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Speaker 2: duo that's kind of incredible, but it's also a do

508
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Speaker 2: everything duo. That's the whole thing. It's funny. They've got

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Speaker 2: the quarterback on offense. They've got these two guys, Cedric

510
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Speaker 2: Ray and Power Echos on defense, and you feel for them.

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Speaker 2: But that's it. That's it for North Carolina right now.

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Speaker 2: And so I don't know, no matter what the offenses

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Speaker 2: in the ACC look like next year, I don't know

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Speaker 2: why you can look at this roster and look at

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Speaker 2: the results from this past year and say to yourself,

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Speaker 2: they're gonna turn the page and just get it done

517
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Speaker 2: this year. They're gonna be fine. They're gonna they're gonna

518
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Speaker 2: identify the weak spots and really lock in that.

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Speaker 1: I don't see it. I don't see it at all. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean it hurts to lose a pair of corners

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Speaker 1: and Tony Grimes's storm duck. Sure they lost more than

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Speaker 1: them the secondary too, they lost more. Yeah, they lost

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Speaker 1: the safety right, they lost alignment like it's it's it

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Speaker 1: will be interesting to see what they do. I know

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Speaker 1: they recruited particularly, I don't know. Maybe I'm giving them

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Speaker 1: more credit than they deserve. But they did well. They

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Speaker 1: had a couple of four stars that they brought in

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Speaker 1: as part of this class to help with that rush,

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Speaker 1: to help along the defensive line. But you know, if

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Speaker 1: it's not one thing, it's another, secondary will now obviously

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Speaker 1: be the focus trying to figure out what to do

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Speaker 1: on the back half of defense.

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Speaker 2: It doesn't matter though, like you can have like I

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Speaker 2: am sure Tony Grimes and Storm duck let up big,

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Speaker 2: big passes, whatever, big completions. There was no pass rush

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Speaker 2: once again, he.

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Speaker 1: Can't get that.

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Speaker 2: So that's deflating all of those corners numbers. And it's

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Speaker 2: also honestly, you might want to go back and look

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Speaker 2: at any of the offensive linemen whatever it's pff you want,

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Speaker 2: any offensive lineman in the ACC graded out against North

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Speaker 2: Carolina is probably looking wonderful.

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Speaker 1: It's substitute teacher grading. And so.

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Speaker 2: I I loved, loved watching Drake May this year. What

545
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Speaker 2: an incredible talent, an incredible thrower. He and Josh Downs

546
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Speaker 2: an immediate, incredible connection. And you can understand why there

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Speaker 2: was at least.

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Speaker 1: No mumblings, litt mumblings. Tie George is offering a bunch

549
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Speaker 1: of money. Why Drake May.

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Speaker 2: Rumors would persist gone anywhere he wanted, transferring and to

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Speaker 2: get Drake May in the playoff, to get Drake May

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Speaker 2: on a big stage in November. You can understand why

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Speaker 2: it would be hoove Drake May to look around if

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Speaker 2: he weren't so, you know, locked into North Carolina with

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Speaker 2: his lineage.

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Speaker 1: So too bad man, because he could have gone any

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Speaker 1: school in America, maybe outside of USC. Sure there's any

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Speaker 1: of a handful of schools that yeah, that would not

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Speaker 1: have started Drake May over their current guy. Yeah, good,

560
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Speaker 1: so look happy to be wrong. Would love to be

561
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Speaker 1: shocked and appalled at how great North Carolina's defense improves

562
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Speaker 1: this year. It's hard to carry the four and bring

563
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Speaker 1: over the two and all and find where that's happening.

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Speaker 1: It really is, where do you want to go next?

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Speaker 1: Give me the power drill, please, thank you, Dan. Let's

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Speaker 1: do some work.

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Speaker 2: Let's go with a defense that actually performed, because I'm

568
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Speaker 2: kind of tired again of.

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Speaker 1: Railing on these guys.

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Speaker 2: Let's go with a defense that performed, an offense that

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Speaker 2: didn't hold up there under the bargain and the face

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Speaker 2: that would be on the half team trophy this year.

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Speaker 2: I mean Kirk Farrence's in the Iowah Hawkeyes.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk about Iowa. Let's talk about Iowa. We're framing

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Speaker 1: everything out in terms of points per drive. Iowa on

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Speaker 1: offense was one hundred and twenty first in points per drive,

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Speaker 1: first first on defense, which is crazy. I can't remember

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Speaker 1: a disparity that large since we've been doing this. It's

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Speaker 1: wild incredible to me. Still, they went seven and five

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Speaker 1: in the regular season. Still, they went to a bowl game,

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Speaker 1: they'd bea Kentucky in that awful game twenty one Nilo.

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Speaker 1: So on some level yet works, but on another level, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's concerning. Here's where this program's at in terms of offense. Okay,

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Speaker 1: Iowa won the Big Ten West in twenty twenty one,

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Speaker 1: and coming out of that essentially doubled down on everything,

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Speaker 1: all the same strategies, the same staff, everything on offense

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Speaker 1: going into twenty twenty two. It's not like this was

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Speaker 1: a killer offense in twenty twenty one, but it worked.

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Speaker 1: It worked well enough to get them to a spot. Notably,

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Speaker 1: it got way worse this past season. It was not good,

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Speaker 1: as we just mentioned one hundred and twenty first, it

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Speaker 1: was not good in twenty twenty two. That is why

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Speaker 1: they are featured in this episode. So let me start here. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: what is Iowa's identity on offense?

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Speaker 2: It's ball control, right, It's the big offensive lineman. It's

596
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Speaker 2: Tristan Wurfs, right, it's guys like that, big offensive linemen

597
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Speaker 2: opening up holes, running off tackle, hitting tight ends. You

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Speaker 2: know where they had the two tight ends drafted a couple.

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Speaker 1: Of years ago. And oh here you ready, TJ. Howkinson

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Speaker 1: and Noah Fant Folks, those names pull be out of

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Speaker 1: my brain in three and a half months, but they

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Speaker 1: still reside in my See they're still there. There's still

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Speaker 1: and you're not wrong with that answer, right. Notably, though,

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Speaker 1: they did ask Brian Farrence about this back in twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty one, almost the same question, what is the identity

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Speaker 1: of this offense? Quote? We need to be a group

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Speaker 1: that can support the team and win games. However, we

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Speaker 1: need to win those games. You got it? Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: makes sense to you. That's not really an answer, that's no,

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Speaker 1: that's sort of a political statement there. Yeah. The next

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Speaker 1: best thing, though, outside of asking you and Brian Farrence,

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Speaker 1: is what are opposing teams think of the Iowa identity

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Speaker 1: on offense and The answer there again is our favorite

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Speaker 1: David Pollock quote. It starts up front. It starts up front,

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Speaker 1: particularly the interior portion of that offensive line. They get

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Speaker 1: the push at the point of attack. Everything flows from there.

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Speaker 1: Everything works. That means holds for the running game, right.

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Speaker 1: That means the play action works. They love bootlegs, That

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Speaker 1: means the bootleg can work. I saw a comment from

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Speaker 1: a coach a couple of years ago who said, it

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Speaker 1: actually can be very hard to game plan against a

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Speaker 1: good version of the Iowa offense because everything sort of

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Speaker 1: looks the same. There are any tendencies that you can

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Speaker 1: hang your hat on. Everything looks the same, which makes

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Speaker 1: it difficult to game plan against, honest, And that's what

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Speaker 1: I think at its core makes this offense actually kind

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Speaker 1: of unique, and when it's working sort of effective. It

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Speaker 1: hasn't worked in a great long while. But the offense

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Speaker 1: is truly a combination of being very complex and also

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Speaker 1: very predictable. Right, you kind of know what's coming, but

631
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Speaker 1: because you can't see it, because there isn't a whole

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Speaker 1: lot to look at on film, that it could be

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Speaker 1: really really effective in the right circumstances. In the right circumstances,

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Speaker 1: great Alex Paedilla, now notably leaving to go elsewhere. He said,

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Speaker 1: it takes like a year to get the offense. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't seem that complex. He said, it takes a year, right,

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Speaker 1: it takes a good year, which I don't think that's

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Speaker 1: a I don't think that's a statement that is, you know,

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Speaker 1: deserving a ridicule. No, no, no, I'm just saying there's

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Speaker 1: outside of that headline, which is Iowa's offense stinks, there's

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Speaker 1: a lot that gets lost. There's a lot of new ones.

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Speaker 1: It's there that I think we need to call out. Please.

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Speaker 1: The other aspect to that quote you know about being

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Speaker 1: predictable is you can be Georgia and be predictable and

645
00:33:10,600 --> 00:33:13,720
Speaker 1: still in the National championship. Right, being predictable being complex

646
00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:15,840
Speaker 1: isn't a bad thing, But both things have to work together.

647
00:33:16,120 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 1: This is all a very very long way of saying,

648
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 1: damn what you probably already know. Iowa was really bad

649
00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: on offense, and a lot of that stems from an

650
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:28,120
Speaker 1: offensive line that was very bad. Bill Connolly tracks something

651
00:33:28,160 --> 00:33:32,760
Speaker 1: called blown block percentage. Iowa was one one hundred and

652
00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 1: nineteenth in the nation. They were also one hundred and

653
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,400
Speaker 1: twenty ninth in pressure rate allowed despite not facing that

654
00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:42,800
Speaker 1: many blitzes. They were just bad. They were bad up

655
00:33:42,800 --> 00:33:46,520
Speaker 1: front again, back to the pressure thing. Shout out Caleb Johnson,

656
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:49,120
Speaker 1: by the way, the running back five and a half

657
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:52,760
Speaker 1: yards per carry in spite of the line, not because

658
00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: of it. Just nobody feared that line, and as a result,

659
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: everything collapsed around it. So you got the bad line predictably,

660
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:05,120
Speaker 1: Iowa turns to screen passes. In the passing game. They

661
00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,080
Speaker 1: were good at those, and I'll credit Brian Ferrence for

662
00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:12,480
Speaker 1: one thing. People were clamoring bring back the tight end

663
00:34:12,520 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: a little bit more. In the passing offense. You noted

664
00:34:15,320 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: they had some really good ones. They got away from

665
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,719
Speaker 1: that for a little while. Brand Farrens brought that back.

666
00:34:20,200 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: Sure he brought them. Was the entire offense a poor

667
00:34:23,160 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 1: man's Michael Mayer, Yeah, eighty four targets. You need the

668
00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:30,280
Speaker 1: sure handed safety valve when you've constantly got guys breathing

669
00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: down the neck of your quarterback. And that's what Sam

670
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:35,160
Speaker 1: Reporter was right. The problem was they just couldn't go

671
00:34:35,160 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: downfield at all. You throw the screen pass, you can

672
00:34:37,360 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 1: throw to Sam Laporta eighty four times, but Spencer Peatrice

673
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,919
Speaker 1: did not have time, and when he did, he didn't

674
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,919
Speaker 1: have receivers who were consistently getting open or for that matter,

675
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,160
Speaker 1: staying healthy. They were really banged up in the receiving core.

676
00:34:51,800 --> 00:34:54,200
Speaker 1: It's so easy to bang on Spencer Peatris. We did

677
00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,120
Speaker 1: our fair share of it here. I blame the coaching staff.

678
00:34:57,960 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: This is a coach problem. You need more playmakers. Everybody

679
00:35:01,200 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 1: needs more playmakers. This is a coach problem. It feels

680
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 1: like we have reached this point of diminishing returns with

681
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:11,720
Speaker 1: Kirk ference. And I said Kirk, not Brian, not Brian.

682
00:35:12,400 --> 00:35:14,360
Speaker 1: Brian's part of it, but this is Kirk. They are

683
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:17,680
Speaker 1: running the same offense, at least the same rushing offense

684
00:35:17,920 --> 00:35:20,960
Speaker 1: that they did back in nineteen ninety nine. Now it

685
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: just happens that they're worse at recruiting. They're worst developing

686
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: line talent, they're worst developing receivers and quarterbacks. And all

687
00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:31,840
Speaker 1: of the recruiting stuff got harder around them with nil

688
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:35,800
Speaker 1: on the portal. So it is not easier, if anything,

689
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: is way harder, and they have now shown over the

690
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:41,279
Speaker 1: course of many seasons that they are just not up

691
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: to stuff when it comes to developing that talent. I

692
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: think this season will be a pivotal season. I don't

693
00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: know what they're going to do with Brian Ferrence in

694
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 1: the offseason. Iowa fans, of course want them to be gone.

695
00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: Many Iowa fans wanted to be gone. Not all. Will

696
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: I hope, get some clarity on that. Perhaps there will

697
00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:01,040
Speaker 1: be a decision, Perhaps so there will be hires and

698
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: they'll do something to restructure the coaching staff. I don't know,

699
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,719
Speaker 1: but I don't think any of that's going to solve

700
00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:07,879
Speaker 1: this problem. I think we're going to be right back

701
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 1: where we started this time next year. It will be

702
00:36:11,320 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 1: pivotal because they're bringing in Kid McNamara and Kate McNamara.

703
00:36:15,280 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: Cad McNamara's the Big ten, winning, a playoff caliber quarterback,

704
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,560
Speaker 1: right yep. And so I don't think I have not

705
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: detected in the Iowa community this notion that, oh, bringing

706
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,920
Speaker 1: in Kid McNamara is going to fix this thing. No,

707
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:30,959
Speaker 1: I don't think people are saying that, to be fair,

708
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,920
Speaker 1: But I do think that if you bring Caid McNamara in,

709
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: if you put him in this offense, if again the

710
00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:40,840
Speaker 1: offense stinks, suddenly there it is clear as day. It

711
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:43,520
Speaker 1: is just hard to ignore the blinking red light that

712
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: is Okay, we've swapped out quarterbacks. Okay, we brought in

713
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: new talent, We've done a bunch of other steps outside

714
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,879
Speaker 1: of swapping out coaches. This has to be a coaching thing, right.

715
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 1: I don't know how you fix this other than bringing

716
00:36:57,400 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: in new people to run the offense. Maybe you bring

717
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,759
Speaker 1: in a dual threat quarterback, somebody who can run a

718
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 1: little bit more. They haven't really tried that at all.

719
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: That would be a nice touch. But short of that

720
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,719
Speaker 1: and changing just the personnel, it is not clear to

721
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,880
Speaker 1: me outside of a full fledged coach and change is

722
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:20,640
Speaker 1: what is going to do this. Like Brian Ferrence is

723
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:24,719
Speaker 1: very very popular to dunk on January twenty fifth, we're

724
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:27,400
Speaker 1: recording this again. By the time people listen to this,

725
00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,520
Speaker 1: there is a chance he won't be the offensive coordinator.

726
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: I read places that perhaps there would be a role

727
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: for him in the NFL. I don't know doing what,

728
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,120
Speaker 1: but perhaps there would be a role for him somewhere

729
00:37:40,600 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: in the league. But unless Kirk ferences contend to give

730
00:37:44,600 --> 00:37:48,640
Speaker 1: somebody else complete full autonomy over the offense, over the

731
00:37:48,640 --> 00:37:53,040
Speaker 1: recruiting efforts, personnel, we're going to be right back here

732
00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:54,400
Speaker 1: next year. Set your watch.

733
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,000
Speaker 2: Okay, couple things I think I might be a little

734
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 2: bit more optimistic than you are with regard to Iowa's

735
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,400
Speaker 2: offensive possibilities.

736
00:38:03,480 --> 00:38:04,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Okay.

737
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 2: The couple things are that you're absolutely, mostly one hundred

738
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 2: percent right. This is an Iowa offense that's built to

739
00:38:11,160 --> 00:38:14,560
Speaker 2: just sit on teams, right, and then this year the

740
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 2: offensive line had tiny little butts.

741
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 1: It becomes a little harder.

742
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 2: To sit on people when you don't have the mass

743
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:24,600
Speaker 2: and talent to do so. Spencer Peatris was not that good.

744
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 2: He missed open dudes. And you can say, well, that

745
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 2: guy was a walk on. That guy was a walk on,

746
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: he ran the wrong All that's fair, All that's reasonable.

747
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: I think they had one scholarship receiver available, and that's

748
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:34,280
Speaker 2: San Diego.

749
00:38:34,320 --> 00:38:36,719
Speaker 1: San Diego. They're very banged up game, very banged up

750
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 1: at receiver, extremely thin. Obviously, your guy Chuck Sizzle made

751
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: his way to Purdue. That was that was a loss

752
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 1: that I don't think Iowa fans anticipated being it that big,

753
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 1: having the season that he did for Purdue. But when

754
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 1: your offensive identity is tied to one specific thing, like

755
00:38:51,239 --> 00:38:53,799
Speaker 1: it is, having NFL caliber offensive linemen, and you just

756
00:38:53,800 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 1: don't and they just don't perform. And then your quarterback's

757
00:38:56,719 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: under fire and he is already dealing with accuracy issues

758
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:01,640
Speaker 1: with a big arm, and then you're not able to

759
00:39:01,680 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: develop receivers downfield consistently, and you do go to the

760
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,120
Speaker 1: tight end a little bit more, and that's all good.

761
00:39:07,440 --> 00:39:11,080
Speaker 1: The stunning thing about Iowa's offense not being fine, not

762
00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: being the seventy third best in America is their defense

763
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 1: consistently puts them in such an incredible position to succeed

764
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,840
Speaker 1: with the sheer number of turnovers forced right that opposing

765
00:39:23,920 --> 00:39:27,760
Speaker 1: defenses should be gassed. It's demdializing from their.

766
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 2: Own offense, turning the ball over in Iowa, getting the

767
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 2: ball in plus position or an advantageous position whatever. Offensively

768
00:39:35,280 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: that you are essentially trying to push around a tire

769
00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:42,240
Speaker 2: defense if you're the Iowa offense. Because of the Iowa defense,

770
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 2: Iowa finished the season you mentioned first in points per

771
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,440
Speaker 2: drive allowed. So even the bar is so low for

772
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,720
Speaker 2: Iowa's offense, you score twenty a game. How many times

773
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:53,760
Speaker 2: would they have won this year? What would their record

774
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,160
Speaker 2: have been with scoring merely twenty points a game? They

775
00:39:57,200 --> 00:39:59,080
Speaker 2: lose to Michigan because they gave up twenty seven. They

776
00:39:59,080 --> 00:40:01,000
Speaker 2: would have beaten Illinois, they still would have lost to

777
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:04,000
Speaker 2: Ohio State, and they would have lost Nebraska, and they

778
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:06,360
Speaker 2: would have beaten Iowa State. So you're adding three wins

779
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:10,080
Speaker 2: to their season. So they go from being a horrifically

780
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,400
Speaker 2: disappointing what would they finish seven and five during the

781
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 2: regular season eight and five with the bowl win to

782
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:19,200
Speaker 2: eleven and two?

783
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:21,279
Speaker 1: What?

784
00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: And well, I guess they're making the Big Ten championship

785
00:40:24,320 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: and in two it's eleven to three whatever. So it's

786
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:32,400
Speaker 2: twenty points. It's twenty points, And so the optimism is

787
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:35,880
Speaker 2: Cad mcmaher should be more accurate than Spencer Peatris. I

788
00:40:35,920 --> 00:40:37,879
Speaker 2: don't think Eric All is a game changer just because

789
00:40:37,880 --> 00:40:39,640
Speaker 2: they had Sam Laport and they've had good tight ends,

790
00:40:39,640 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 2: so I don't think that changes the calculus for Iowa's offense.

791
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:46,160
Speaker 2: They're gonna be healthier at receiver. They didn't hit the

792
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 2: portal especially hard. They lost a key corner who they

793
00:40:48,600 --> 00:40:50,520
Speaker 2: are expecting to do good things this year and a

794
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 2: key linebacker, but they weren't shredded on defense. They lost

795
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 2: some guys on offense, which is to be expected. But

796
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:02,080
Speaker 2: if you just have a more accurate quarterback, and you're

797
00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: a little bit better along the offensive line with age,

798
00:41:05,000 --> 00:41:07,680
Speaker 2: and you're a little bit healthier at receiver even losing

799
00:41:07,680 --> 00:41:10,520
Speaker 2: Sam Laporta. I think you can get to twenty a game.

800
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 2: I hope you get to twenty.

801
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:15,920
Speaker 1: Like, I'm not rooting against Iowa, I appreciate the funnies

802
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:19,319
Speaker 1: we're able to make. Not rooting against Iowa, I am

803
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: hesitant to just sort of pencil in though Kate McNamara

804
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:27,359
Speaker 1: as this huge upgrade. He's definitely better than Spencer Petris. Okay, yeah,

805
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:31,120
Speaker 1: for sure, But I come back to what Alex Padilla

806
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: himself said. The offense takes a while to grasp. Sure,

807
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,960
Speaker 1: So unless they're going to try and simplify that, I

808
00:41:37,840 --> 00:41:41,360
Speaker 1: could see a world in which Kate McNamara is is

809
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: also scrambling. You're trying, like not literally scrambling, but trying

810
00:41:44,760 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 1: to figure this thing out, trying to figure it out

811
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: on the fly, because it is complex, it is nuanced.

812
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,080
Speaker 1: If they don't make a serious change, it might not

813
00:41:51,120 --> 00:41:52,239
Speaker 1: matter who the quarterback is.

814
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:55,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, they're the defense is going through changes,

815
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:56,920
Speaker 2: so they might not be able to be counted on

816
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,120
Speaker 2: to be the best offense on the Iowa roster. But

817
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 2: even so, this is an IOWA team so entrenched in

818
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,160
Speaker 2: its identity that I always anticipate guys being able to

819
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:10,520
Speaker 2: step up on this defense. So yeah, I'm a little

820
00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: bit more optimistic, But I think you're absolutely right. It's

821
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 2: a vision thing. It's this worked for us in twenty sixteen,

822
00:42:15,560 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 2: it worked for us in twenty eighteen, it worked for

823
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 2: us in twenty twenty one. The problem is you have

824
00:42:20,560 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: to be looking forward, and it doesn't seem like Iowa

825
00:42:23,680 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 2: ever is on offense. Over the course of a year,

826
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:28,279
Speaker 2: you'll see a game, we're like, oh, they're running some

827
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 2: motion stuff and they're going outside zone a little bit

828
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,040
Speaker 2: more and it's working. But over the course of a year,

829
00:42:34,800 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 2: and look, we saw tight ends and receivers run open

830
00:42:37,160 --> 00:42:37,840
Speaker 2: and get missed.

831
00:42:37,840 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 1: We saw that. That's not on Brian Farrence' per se.

832
00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:42,840
Speaker 1: It's not. I think the thing that I came away

833
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: from this deeper dive having more of an appreciation for

834
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: it isn't all on Brian Farence. Brian Farrence is the

835
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:52,279
Speaker 1: poster boy for it. I understand if I were a

836
00:42:52,280 --> 00:42:55,320
Speaker 1: fan of Iowa, I would want him gone too. I okay,

837
00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:57,880
Speaker 1: but I think it is on Brian. It's not all

838
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:03,240
Speaker 1: on Brian Farence. Spencer p still is missing open players.

839
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: The line is bad. He didn't have time to go

840
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:09,200
Speaker 1: down the field. These long developing deep roots never had

841
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: a chance because the pressure rates were so high. It

842
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: is on the coaching staff for sure that they have

843
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: not developed that talent to a greater degree. That Spencer

844
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:21,920
Speaker 1: Petris has been in this quote unquote complex system for

845
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,799
Speaker 1: however many years and he's not really gotten better. That's

846
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,160
Speaker 1: on the coaching staff. But it's not all unfair. I

847
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:31,280
Speaker 1: think a lot of this stems back to, as you said,

848
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:34,560
Speaker 1: just the inability to change a vision thing. So much

849
00:43:34,560 --> 00:43:37,600
Speaker 1: of what they're doing is is twenty thirty years old,

850
00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 1: that it's not a great surprise that we'd be here

851
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: at this moment in twenty twenty three. It's wild.

852
00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:48,320
Speaker 2: It's wild now that they're not at least below average

853
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:49,280
Speaker 2: on offense.

854
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:52,600
Speaker 1: It's frustrating, resistently, it's frustrating. Can I stay on that

855
00:43:52,640 --> 00:43:55,239
Speaker 1: same theme? Sure? Can you give me the power drill again?

856
00:43:55,680 --> 00:43:59,600
Speaker 1: Of course I can't. That sounded the way that you

857
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:03,759
Speaker 1: were like that power drive drill. Let's talk about A

858
00:44:03,840 --> 00:44:06,680
Speaker 1: and m Okay, let's talk about A and M. The

859
00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 1: common thread here being willingness to change right. A and

860
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 1: M ninety seventh in points per drive on offense, thirty

861
00:44:16,360 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: fourth points per drive all out on defense, they went

862
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,360
Speaker 1: five to seven. The only team of the five that

863
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,080
Speaker 1: we're going to talk about today that missed a bowl

864
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:26,320
Speaker 1: didn't go to a bowl game at all. So context

865
00:44:26,360 --> 00:44:31,280
Speaker 1: is very important. A and M saw an incredible infusion

866
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 1: of talent via the twenty twenty two class, via the

867
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,640
Speaker 1: portal that was the dominant narrative coming into the twenty

868
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: twenty two season, at least in the SEC West. That's

869
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: recruiting class of all time, right right sure. Beyond that, though,

870
00:44:48,360 --> 00:44:51,799
Speaker 1: the reality if you look back a year, is that

871
00:44:51,840 --> 00:44:54,279
Speaker 1: A and M was really beat up in twenty twenty one,

872
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 1: and the hope was that they'd be a little luckier

873
00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: on that front in twenty twenty two. They most definitely

874
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,640
Speaker 1: were not okay. They were very banged up again in

875
00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. Max Johnson and Haines King both got hurt.

876
00:45:09,320 --> 00:45:11,920
Speaker 1: That's how we got counter Wegman, which I happen to

877
00:45:11,960 --> 00:45:14,600
Speaker 1: like Connor Wegman a lot. Through eight touchdowns no picks.

878
00:45:15,680 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 1: I love Connor Wegman. I love regular Wegmans. I just

879
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,160
Speaker 1: got my grocery order earlier today. Not a sponsor could be.

880
00:45:21,239 --> 00:45:23,400
Speaker 1: Not a sponsor very much could be, right, So that

881
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 1: maybe that was a bit of silver lining. You don't

882
00:45:27,000 --> 00:45:29,720
Speaker 1: like seeing guys go down, but they found Connor Wegman.

883
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:32,440
Speaker 1: I think he's probably the guy moving forward. But outside

884
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,279
Speaker 1: of that, you had a Nia Smith going down on

885
00:45:34,320 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: September twenty fourth for the season. That was just a

886
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: crushing loss because of his versatility within this offense. The

887
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,839
Speaker 1: interior line dan very very beat up. He had some

888
00:45:44,880 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: guys going down for the year up front as well,

889
00:45:47,920 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 1: another kind of Caleb Johnson's situation where you had a

890
00:45:51,560 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: running back in Devin h Hane excuse me, who was

891
00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,439
Speaker 1: just had a great season in spite of the line,

892
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,520
Speaker 1: not because of it, even he was in a boot

893
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: before the end of the season.

894
00:46:02,400 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, when the line was healthy though they did good things.

895
00:46:06,280 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 2: I think it's much more a it's a Jimbo architecture

896
00:46:09,840 --> 00:46:13,440
Speaker 2: and misevaluation of Hainesting and Max Johnson.

897
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:17,160
Speaker 1: Absolutely absolutely, you can't chalk the whole thing up to injuries,

898
00:46:17,160 --> 00:46:19,480
Speaker 1: but we do need to at least start there. Sure,

899
00:46:19,520 --> 00:46:23,520
Speaker 1: it is definitely deeper than that injuries certainly did not help.

900
00:46:23,640 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 1: I A and M did a good job getting the

901
00:46:26,560 --> 00:46:28,759
Speaker 1: most out of that rushing attack. I want to give

902
00:46:28,800 --> 00:46:32,120
Speaker 1: credit where it's due. As year war on. They were

903
00:46:32,160 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: not good to start the year, but even despite the injuries,

904
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 1: they were able to I think get to like fortieth

905
00:46:37,800 --> 00:46:40,800
Speaker 1: nationally in terms of their success rates on the ground.

906
00:46:41,280 --> 00:46:44,600
Speaker 1: Devin A. Chain's stats don't really do them justice. I

907
00:46:44,680 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: just we called him out at our live show in Atlanta.

908
00:46:47,080 --> 00:46:50,400
Speaker 1: I just want to circle he's a hero. He's absolutely heroic. Yeah,

909
00:46:50,960 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: beyond the injury thing. Though. Stu Mandel, our friend from

910
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:56,600
Speaker 1: the athletics, said it best in a tweet or in

911
00:46:56,640 --> 00:46:59,320
Speaker 1: an article I forget what it was back in September.

912
00:46:59,840 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 1: He says, Jimbo's got the five star recruits, He's got

913
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,719
Speaker 1: the defense. His offense is stuck in twenty thirteen, and

914
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,960
Speaker 1: this time there's no Jamis Winston to bail them ount.

915
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: And that has been the story for Jimbo for a

916
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:16,319
Speaker 1: while now, not just his past season, but adaptability has

917
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:19,439
Speaker 1: been the ongoing problem. It really came to a head

918
00:47:19,440 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: this year though. One example, Jimbo stated that he wants

919
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,719
Speaker 1: to run more up tempo. He said it somewhere he

920
00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: wants to run seventy to eighty plays a game. You

921
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:30,320
Speaker 1: know how many plays they ran and the lost to

922
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:34,319
Speaker 1: app state. I think, I guess fifty one. Thirty eight

923
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,239
Speaker 1: not good enough, thirty eight. And the thing is, they've

924
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:40,320
Speaker 1: got the players if they want to go more up tempo,

925
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:44,640
Speaker 1: but they have just chosen to not adjust, to not

926
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:48,839
Speaker 1: play that style of offense. And I don't know why.

927
00:47:49,680 --> 00:47:52,920
Speaker 1: Maybe I need to read more as to the rational there,

928
00:47:52,920 --> 00:47:55,480
Speaker 1: but they Jimbo said it, they just haven't really done it.

929
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: The bigger picture here is that Jimbo is still eluded

930
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:02,200
Speaker 1: as running a very old system. They built, they released,

931
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,799
Speaker 1: they retired a whole version of a PlayStation in the

932
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:08,440
Speaker 1: time that Jimbo's been running the same damn offense.

933
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:12,040
Speaker 2: We're juggling the seven place mats of plays in front

934
00:48:12,080 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 2: of him with the reading glasses.

935
00:48:13,440 --> 00:48:18,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's unbelievable. This is a system that has not

936
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:22,320
Speaker 1: emphasized quick reads for quarterbacks or new quarterbacks of the system.

937
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: It has not emphasized big plays. It has not allowed

938
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:28,640
Speaker 1: the athleticism of all those five stars to shine in

939
00:48:28,680 --> 00:48:32,319
Speaker 1: any appreciable way. Just as an example, right, Haines King

940
00:48:33,040 --> 00:48:35,319
Speaker 1: big deal coming out of high school? Right, Haines King.

941
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: We talked to Sam Cohn Junior from The Athletic talked

942
00:48:39,160 --> 00:48:42,960
Speaker 1: about the appreciation that Jimbo had for Haines King and

943
00:48:42,960 --> 00:48:45,399
Speaker 1: how he really felt like he got it. Haines King

944
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:50,080
Speaker 1: was thirteen of twenty for ninety seven yards against app State.

945
00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: He dropped back twenty four times, he was pressured, only

946
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:58,799
Speaker 1: three of them blitzed approximately zero. Then it blitz at all?

947
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:07,640
Speaker 1: Why would you fumbled twice ninety seven yards passing? So

948
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 1: what is that talent that tells me? Too much is

949
00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:12,200
Speaker 1: going on? To talk about old stuff? TI, why are

950
00:49:12,200 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: you gotta talk about old stuff? No, this is why

951
00:49:15,080 --> 00:49:17,799
Speaker 1: there's too much going on, too much going on. He

952
00:49:17,840 --> 00:49:20,520
Speaker 1: didn't adjust the offense to Haines King, and as a

953
00:49:20,520 --> 00:49:23,040
Speaker 1: result he get lines like that. He ran it for

954
00:49:23,080 --> 00:49:25,400
Speaker 1: twenty seven yards. Okay, he was over one hundred total,

955
00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 1: But he's just not making the most out of the

956
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,120
Speaker 1: talent that he's got on hand. And that's not to

957
00:49:30,160 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: say Haines King is going to be all world everything

958
00:49:32,120 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 1: at his next stop. But clearly he left a lot

959
00:49:35,560 --> 00:49:38,280
Speaker 1: out there. He left a lot out there. What happened?

960
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:41,359
Speaker 1: What I think Jimbo is trying to do to fix this,

961
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:43,120
Speaker 1: and I give him credit because for a good long

962
00:49:43,160 --> 00:49:46,279
Speaker 1: time he was stubborn. It didn't change, and now he's

963
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,839
Speaker 1: basically fired himself as offensive coordinator. M hm. He hired

964
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:56,840
Speaker 1: Bobby Patrino, which, okay, among other things, mister stable, among

965
00:49:56,920 --> 00:50:00,960
Speaker 1: many other things, Bobby Petrino was known for being a

966
00:50:00,960 --> 00:50:04,880
Speaker 1: good offensive mind, and he also was known for being adaptable.

967
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,080
Speaker 1: Sure this is true. Yeah, this is a guy who

968
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:10,920
Speaker 1: coached both Lamar Jackson and Brian Brom. I can't imagine

969
00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: two quarterbacks that are more different in terms of skill

970
00:50:14,719 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 1: set both.

971
00:50:15,600 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: I was thinking you were going to say Ryan Mallett,

972
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,840
Speaker 2: but continue, I was like, Ryan Malltin, Lamar Jackson quite different.

973
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but in all case, in almost all cases, the

974
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: quarterbacks have been very successful. Yeah, in his system, and

975
00:50:27,520 --> 00:50:30,279
Speaker 1: he has been good at organizing around the skill sets

976
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,120
Speaker 1: of players to make an offense hum not vice versa.

977
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:37,719
Speaker 1: So whereas I am not at all confident on the

978
00:50:37,760 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: IOWA side, I am pretty confident on this one. I

979
00:50:40,719 --> 00:50:43,840
Speaker 1: don't I don't think Bobby Patrino is a role model.

980
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: I don't think young coaches should aspire to be Bobby Patrino.

981
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,240
Speaker 1: But I think Bobby Patrino makes sense for a variety

982
00:50:51,280 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 1: of reasons at A and M. And I am very

983
00:50:54,000 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: optimistic that he can turn this thing around pretty quickly.

984
00:50:57,560 --> 00:50:59,880
Speaker 2: See, I'm confident on the in the framing, but not

985
00:51:00,120 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 2: the insulation. Right, I'm fair, fair, I am, I am

986
00:51:03,840 --> 00:51:06,400
Speaker 2: confident in the offensive roster.

987
00:51:06,880 --> 00:51:10,799
Speaker 1: Look, you have a team be set besieged by the

988
00:51:10,840 --> 00:51:15,600
Speaker 1: flu late in the year, right, you have a defense

989
00:51:15,719 --> 00:51:18,440
Speaker 1: missing key guys, a bunch of freshmen on both sides

990
00:51:18,440 --> 00:51:21,960
Speaker 1: of all suspension and rumors of you know, smoking pot

991
00:51:22,000 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 1: in the locker room or whatever. And then twenty five

992
00:51:25,560 --> 00:51:29,640
Speaker 1: I think it's twenty five portal guys total. Completely, it

993
00:51:29,760 --> 00:51:35,359
Speaker 1: seems to me misleading number, a misleading number, because they

994
00:51:35,360 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: do they lose some key guys. I think they lost

995
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:40,920
Speaker 1: a corner in Smoke Bowie to Georgia Denver Harris, But

996
00:51:41,600 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: a lot of the guys, Anthony Lucas who was a

997
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:47,399
Speaker 1: big time recruits, he's over to USC to play defensive line.

998
00:51:47,480 --> 00:51:49,239
Speaker 1: But a lot of the guys they lose in the

999
00:51:49,280 --> 00:51:53,279
Speaker 1: portal were not necessarily big contributors. And whether they were

1000
00:51:53,320 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: suspended this past year as freshmen, whether they were recruited

1001
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,560
Speaker 1: by another assistant coach whatever. There.

1002
00:51:59,600 --> 00:52:02,640
Speaker 2: It was not an avalanche of oh they lost these

1003
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 2: seven key dudes on offense to the portal. It wasn't that.

1004
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 2: And so I'm with you again. The framing is there.

1005
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,560
Speaker 2: The insulation is what I'm worried about, just because you're

1006
00:52:14,560 --> 00:52:18,759
Speaker 2: talking about a still relatively inexperienced quarterback Evan Stewart, who

1007
00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 2: has All American caliber potential, an offensive line that has

1008
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,120
Speaker 2: a good amount of talent in front of it when healthy,

1009
00:52:25,120 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 2: and they obviously upfront, especially on the inside, collapse last

1010
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,960
Speaker 2: year due to injury. That when you bring that back

1011
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:35,200
Speaker 2: with at least on the field in the booth a

1012
00:52:35,360 --> 00:52:37,759
Speaker 2: very very good offensive mine. And Bobby Patrino now in

1013
00:52:37,800 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: a role that's kind of new, right that he has

1014
00:52:41,160 --> 00:52:43,759
Speaker 2: to defer to a head coach, and he is not

1015
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:47,279
Speaker 2: the guy that's different, and that's new. Obviously, we know

1016
00:52:47,400 --> 00:52:50,080
Speaker 2: every situation with Bobby Petrino kind of ends the same

1017
00:52:50,160 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 2: combustible way. But there's every reason to believe with how

1018
00:52:55,280 --> 00:52:57,840
Speaker 2: Moose Mouhammad played last year and he but then he

1019
00:52:58,200 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 2: you know, is wearing an armband and his spend it

1020
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:04,759
Speaker 2: or something. There's always something the defense should be very good.

1021
00:53:04,760 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 2: It should be another situation where the offense needs to

1022
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: be merely fine. It needs to go for more fourth

1023
00:53:09,440 --> 00:53:12,040
Speaker 2: and threes and plus territory. When you're on the forty

1024
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:14,720
Speaker 2: one and it's fourth and two, get a quick screen

1025
00:53:14,719 --> 00:53:17,239
Speaker 2: of it, Stewart, see what he can do. See if

1026
00:53:17,239 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 2: he's two yard two and a half yard capable. I

1027
00:53:20,800 --> 00:53:22,960
Speaker 2: cannot stress enough that there is I mean, look, the

1028
00:53:23,000 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: recruiting class coming in includes with the number one running

1029
00:53:25,360 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 2: back in the country, with Ruben Owens, you know, a

1030
00:53:27,520 --> 00:53:31,439
Speaker 2: top top, top linebacker. So look, they lose a couple

1031
00:53:31,520 --> 00:53:34,120
Speaker 2: key pieces in the secondary. But with dj Dirkin again

1032
00:53:34,239 --> 00:53:37,000
Speaker 2: on the field, excellent defensive mind, let's limit it to

1033
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 2: that for this specific discussion. Sure uses players in interesting ways.

1034
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 2: You know, runs like the three two six, and you know,

1035
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,080
Speaker 2: almost all of that vaunted defensive class from the year before,

1036
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:51,439
Speaker 2: headlined by Walter Nolan. Now they bring in the number

1037
00:53:51,480 --> 00:53:53,600
Speaker 2: one defensive lineman in the country and David Hicks. There

1038
00:53:53,600 --> 00:53:56,319
Speaker 2: should be depth there, there should be anger, There should

1039
00:53:56,360 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: be tackling, there should be pressure, there should be a

1040
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 2: team should be should be That's why I say frame,

1041
00:54:03,719 --> 00:54:06,480
Speaker 2: frame but not necessary. Frame and foundation but not necessarily

1042
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 2: insulation and tile and cabinets. It should be a team

1043
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:14,040
Speaker 2: that looks closer to what they look like because of

1044
00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:17,359
Speaker 2: Connor Wegman, because of a fresh start, what they look

1045
00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:19,319
Speaker 2: like against LSU than what they look like in the

1046
00:54:19,360 --> 00:54:24,440
Speaker 2: previous eleven games. We hope, we presume we can see

1047
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:30,000
Speaker 2: how that's the case. But football games or football seasons

1048
00:54:30,080 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 2: seem to be one in the off season, seem to

1049
00:54:31,880 --> 00:54:33,839
Speaker 2: be one in locker rooms. And that's the problem right

1050
00:54:33,880 --> 00:54:36,239
Speaker 2: now with Texas A and M. It's getting everybody on

1051
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,399
Speaker 2: the same page. It's getting everybody bought in, it's getting

1052
00:54:38,440 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 2: the culture right, it's getting basics right in terms of

1053
00:54:41,880 --> 00:54:46,399
Speaker 2: what the vision is for the offense. I'm extremely cautiously

1054
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 2: optimistic that A and M is going to take a

1055
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:52,400
Speaker 2: nice step forward this year, without without their schedule in

1056
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:52,719
Speaker 2: front of.

1057
00:54:52,719 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: Me, mind you, Yeah, I feel reasonably confident that it

1058
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: will be better on offense. Okay, I feel reasonably confident

1059
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:03,719
Speaker 1: on that front. Okay, fair enough. They seem to be

1060
00:55:03,719 --> 00:55:05,719
Speaker 1: in a good place on defense and should continue to be.

1061
00:55:06,000 --> 00:55:09,520
Speaker 1: And the recruiting is strong, the recruiting remains strong. Yeah,

1062
00:55:09,760 --> 00:55:13,960
Speaker 1: so we'll see. I mean, they've got so much to

1063
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: work with. It is a situation where if you're an

1064
00:55:17,160 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 1: A and M fan and you're looking and saying, wow, okay,

1065
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:22,400
Speaker 1: we were nicked up two straight years. But to not

1066
00:55:22,480 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: make a bowl, not mikable, to lose to app State,

1067
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,359
Speaker 1: no disrespect to app State, right man, just can't help

1068
00:55:30,400 --> 00:55:31,799
Speaker 1: but feel under one by that. I don't know.

1069
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:34,160
Speaker 2: They are another one of those teams that magic number

1070
00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 2: was thirty, right, that they weren't really able to crack

1071
00:55:36,120 --> 00:55:37,839
Speaker 2: until the very end of the year against a Power

1072
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:41,000
Speaker 2: five school. They score thirty against Auburn instead of ten. Great,

1073
00:55:41,080 --> 00:55:44,839
Speaker 2: they score thirty against Florida instead of twenty four. Well,

1074
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:46,440
Speaker 2: they still lose, but it looks a little bit better.

1075
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 2: They score thirty or thirty one or thirty two against

1076
00:55:49,080 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 2: Ole Miss, they win that game. Ole Miss scores thirty one.

1077
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:54,399
Speaker 2: They score thirty thirty one against South Carolina, they win

1078
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: that game. They score thirty against Alabama, they win that game.

1079
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,520
Speaker 2: And so they have the capability on paper with two

1080
00:56:01,520 --> 00:56:05,479
Speaker 2: by fours in lumber, in drywall. It's just everything else

1081
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:08,239
Speaker 2: putting it all together to build a winning house. So

1082
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:11,120
Speaker 2: that's that's why I still worry. But yeah, the bar

1083
00:56:11,239 --> 00:56:16,520
Speaker 2: seems relatively low and getting again all those those placemats

1084
00:56:16,520 --> 00:56:18,719
Speaker 2: and pamphlets and reading glasses out of.

1085
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:20,560
Speaker 1: Jimbo Fisher's arms. I think it's gonna be a nice

1086
00:56:20,600 --> 00:56:22,800
Speaker 1: step for It's a lot of pro style stuff that

1087
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,759
Speaker 1: they've been running. We'll see what Petrino can do if

1088
00:56:24,800 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 1: you can move things forward. Give me that drill one

1089
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:31,120
Speaker 1: final time. Please, Oh god Ty, let's go to USC.

1090
00:56:32,160 --> 00:56:32,759
Speaker 1: Let's go to SC.

1091
00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 2: Fascinating team, which I think is you like kind of

1092
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,239
Speaker 2: put everything together that we've just talked about, and you

1093
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:42,719
Speaker 2: kind of get USC all of the different issues plaguing everybody.

1094
00:56:43,040 --> 00:56:45,280
Speaker 2: And there's a little bit of that in the USC

1095
00:56:45,520 --> 00:56:46,320
Speaker 2: chili cauldron.

1096
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:50,240
Speaker 1: The USC chili cauldron. I like that. First first points

1097
00:56:50,239 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: per drive on offense, one hundred and eleven points per

1098
00:56:53,320 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: drive on defense. So eleven and one. Lost the Pac

1099
00:56:57,200 --> 00:57:00,319
Speaker 1: twelve game to Utah, lost the Cotton Bowl by one

1100
00:57:00,360 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 1: to two lane, so finished with three losses, but eleven

1101
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:08,480
Speaker 1: to one regular season A big deal for Lincoln Riley.

1102
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:12,440
Speaker 1: What USC fans got on offense was Oklahoma. Right, you

1103
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:18,640
Speaker 1: got Oklahoma. You got Cale Williams, got a Heisman Trophy winner. Yeah,

1104
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:22,120
Speaker 1: you had the constant excitement that was Cale Williams in

1105
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:24,880
Speaker 1: the pocket where you blitz him, he gets away, you

1106
00:57:24,920 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 1: sit back, he picks you apart, and you have I

1107
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:31,000
Speaker 1: think this coming season the number one overall draft pick

1108
00:57:31,000 --> 00:57:33,560
Speaker 1: in the twenty four draft. That's who Cale Williams is.

1109
00:57:33,640 --> 00:57:37,960
Speaker 1: And it's still secret at this point. The issue though,

1110
00:57:38,000 --> 00:57:42,000
Speaker 1: for USC, we talk about marginal improvements on the Iowa side, right,

1111
00:57:42,040 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 1: just marginal improvements make them so much better. Lincoln Riley

1112
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:48,680
Speaker 1: has always known how to coach offense m HM. This

1113
00:57:48,760 --> 00:57:51,919
Speaker 1: season was no different. Next season will be more the same.

1114
00:57:51,960 --> 00:57:56,320
Speaker 1: What about defense? Is Alex Scrinch the guy is what

1115
00:57:56,440 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: they're trying to do on defense hampered by talent? What

1116
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:05,480
Speaker 1: is the source of that one and eleventh points per

1117
00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: driveal out?

1118
00:58:08,120 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 2: It's tackling and talent. It really is just I mean,

1119
00:58:11,120 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 2: you saw it in the Utah games plural that what

1120
00:58:14,000 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 2: they gave up to Dalton Kincaid, the tight end they

1121
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 2: were without Brank Keithy in that game and in the

1122
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: championship game, and without top flight receivers all year long,

1123
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 2: like Utah generally is. And it's USC seeing one thing

1124
00:58:27,680 --> 00:58:30,000
Speaker 2: and that was that first Utah game. It's Dalton kin

1125
00:58:30,080 --> 00:58:32,920
Speaker 2: kid yep for two hundred and fifteen whatever however many

1126
00:58:33,000 --> 00:58:35,240
Speaker 2: yards he had in that game, and thirty seven catches

1127
00:58:35,720 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 2: and then just getting runs straight at in the championship game.

1128
00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,720
Speaker 2: It's it's unfortunate for USC to look back at what

1129
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:46,240
Speaker 2: they were not able to do in the twenty twenty

1130
00:58:46,280 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 2: two season. Another case of they the offense go to

1131
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:51,840
Speaker 2: the playoff without question, number one scoring offense in America

1132
00:58:52,160 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 2: with the Heisman trophing winning quarterback. Average defense gets into

1133
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 2: the playoff. No, they just need two and a half

1134
00:58:57,520 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 2: more stops this year. I don't know how you get

1135
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:03,080
Speaker 2: half a stop, but you know what I'm saying, so, yeah,

1136
00:59:03,160 --> 00:59:05,800
Speaker 2: you're dead on. They didn't have an electric running back,

1137
00:59:05,800 --> 00:59:08,040
Speaker 2: which was I think the difference between this year's USC

1138
00:59:08,200 --> 00:59:10,520
Speaker 2: team and where Oklahoma teams if you look at you know,

1139
00:59:10,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 2: Joe Mixon and samajp Ryan, guys like that. But otherwise

1140
00:59:14,920 --> 00:59:18,040
Speaker 2: USC offensive line was very good. Obviously, the receivers Jordan Addison,

1141
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:22,720
Speaker 2: Mario Williams, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, were very good. Defensively,

1142
00:59:22,880 --> 00:59:25,040
Speaker 2: it was they had one of the best addressers in

1143
00:59:25,040 --> 00:59:26,960
Speaker 2: the country who did help to cover up for some

1144
00:59:27,080 --> 00:59:30,160
Speaker 2: things and rush quarterbacks into making bad decisions, which a

1145
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,240
Speaker 2: pretty good secondary now without the best corner who's moved

1146
00:59:33,280 --> 00:59:36,040
Speaker 2: on to the next level, Makai Blackman was able to

1147
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,840
Speaker 2: take advantage of Tully tuy Pulatu.

1148
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:40,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just call him Toully.

1149
00:59:41,160 --> 00:59:43,280
Speaker 2: Twenty and a half tackles for loss, I believe is

1150
00:59:43,320 --> 00:59:45,760
Speaker 2: how he finished the season. He was a revelation and

1151
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 2: was the clear defensive MVP of a team that could

1152
00:59:48,880 --> 00:59:53,720
Speaker 2: not tackle, could not get pressure otherwise, couldn't play sideline

1153
00:59:53,760 --> 00:59:56,840
Speaker 2: to sideline, and guys who could kind of sometimes like

1154
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 2: linebacker Eric Gentry, got beat up for longer stretches of

1155
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,760
Speaker 2: this season. And then the secondary, which did a good

1156
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:05,600
Speaker 2: job in this defense of confusing some teams and jumping

1157
01:00:05,600 --> 01:00:08,400
Speaker 2: into passing lanes when counted on to come up and

1158
01:00:08,400 --> 01:00:13,120
Speaker 2: make a tackle, didn't. And so this was a USC

1159
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:16,320
Speaker 2: team who kind of gave the season away. It's year one,

1160
01:00:16,600 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: and so it's all kind of grave between that number

1161
01:00:18,680 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 2: of games in year one of a new coach, after

1162
01:00:20,560 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 2: selling to the depths that they did yeah, four and

1163
01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,000
Speaker 2: eight under Clay Hilton the year before has to be

1164
01:00:26,080 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 2: seen as an overwhelmingly positive season for USC all things considered,

1165
01:00:30,400 --> 01:00:33,920
Speaker 2: but still the what do we sell the delta between

1166
01:00:33,920 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: the offense and defense. This was, I mean, some of

1167
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,560
Speaker 2: the numbers here, it just kind of absurd. One hundred

1168
01:00:39,560 --> 01:00:41,280
Speaker 2: and sixteenth in the nation and third and at three

1169
01:00:41,320 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 2: and out percentage. They put up the numbers that they

1170
01:00:44,560 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 2: did or didn't playing exactly two top twenty offenses UCLA

1171
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,720
Speaker 2: and Utah. They weren't a good blitzing team. They were

1172
01:00:51,720 --> 01:00:56,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and twentieth and tackling success rate. They decided

1173
01:00:56,560 --> 01:01:01,120
Speaker 2: to keep Alex Scrinch, which fine, okay, He's had good

1174
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: defenses twenty twenty at Oklahoma I think it was twenty

1175
01:01:03,400 --> 01:01:07,960
Speaker 2: eighteen at Wazoo with Hercules Mataafa both very strong Ronnie Perkins.

1176
01:01:08,080 --> 01:01:11,080
Speaker 2: In twenty twenty, those teams got the hell off the field.

1177
01:01:11,720 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 2: The USC's defense did not.

1178
01:01:13,360 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: This year.

1179
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 2: Now USC is in a place that North Carolina, maybe Iowa,

1180
01:01:20,760 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: A and m aren't necessarily and that's USC has decided,

1181
01:01:25,120 --> 01:01:27,680
Speaker 2: we are not necessarily going to get better on defense

1182
01:01:27,720 --> 01:01:31,080
Speaker 2: through the recruiting trail or the high school recruiting trail

1183
01:01:31,200 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 2: in the ways that some of these other programs do.

1184
01:01:34,200 --> 01:01:37,560
Speaker 2: We are going to attack the portal hard. Now they

1185
01:01:37,560 --> 01:01:41,240
Speaker 2: go after Mason Cobb, Oklahoma State, their best linebacker that

1186
01:01:41,320 --> 01:01:43,440
Speaker 2: should be a difference maker. They got better on the

1187
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:47,920
Speaker 2: offensive line after losing a bunch, but on defense, it's

1188
01:01:48,040 --> 01:01:50,080
Speaker 2: I'm pulling this up right now, just to remind myself

1189
01:01:50,120 --> 01:01:52,480
Speaker 2: of names I mentioned Anthony Lucas coming in from Texas

1190
01:01:52,520 --> 01:01:54,919
Speaker 2: A and m that's right, Jack Sullivan Purdue. They pulled

1191
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:58,160
Speaker 2: in Arizona's best corner and a linebacker from Georgia State

1192
01:01:58,200 --> 01:02:01,520
Speaker 2: who was I think reasonably well regard. So they are

1193
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:05,880
Speaker 2: plugging some holes. The problem is, I'll plug in some

1194
01:02:05,920 --> 01:02:11,560
Speaker 2: holes just in terms of a sheer roster and numbers.

1195
01:02:11,840 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 2: The better defenses, especially with how quickly how explosive USC's

1196
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:19,480
Speaker 2: offense will again be this year. USC's offense scores too quickly, right,

1197
01:02:19,520 --> 01:02:21,160
Speaker 2: You hear that phrase at the end of games, like, oh,

1198
01:02:21,240 --> 01:02:23,760
Speaker 2: they left too much time, They scored too quickly. USC

1199
01:02:23,880 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: does not have the depth and talent on defense to

1200
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:29,280
Speaker 2: have an explosive offense, and so Kleb Williams is too

1201
01:02:29,280 --> 01:02:32,240
Speaker 2: good for his own defense. That USC is so much

1202
01:02:32,280 --> 01:02:35,000
Speaker 2: more explosive than they are efficient that you know they're

1203
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 2: bringing marshaon Lloyd. Maybe he's somebody who could just kick

1204
01:02:37,400 --> 01:02:40,560
Speaker 2: the chains moving continuously on offense and give the defense

1205
01:02:40,600 --> 01:02:44,120
Speaker 2: a little bit of rest. Caleb Williams is too good

1206
01:02:44,640 --> 01:02:48,240
Speaker 2: at buying himself time and launching the ball downfield successfully

1207
01:02:48,280 --> 01:02:51,520
Speaker 2: and giving his own defense no time to catch its breath,

1208
01:02:51,920 --> 01:02:54,720
Speaker 2: and so I don't see that improving this year, though

1209
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,200
Speaker 2: I do see the defense as a whole. They have

1210
01:02:57,240 --> 01:02:59,240
Speaker 2: to get better. They have to get better than what

1211
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:01,400
Speaker 2: they showed against Utah in Vegas and the the Pac

1212
01:03:01,440 --> 01:03:02,480
Speaker 2: twelve Championship game.

1213
01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 1: It was a.

1214
01:03:03,040 --> 01:03:06,240
Speaker 2: Pathetic, pathetic performance. They let Tulane back in the bowl game.

1215
01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:08,520
Speaker 2: I don't know do we even recap the Tulane USC

1216
01:03:08,640 --> 01:03:10,280
Speaker 2: game and fall into like a weird.

1217
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:14,360
Speaker 1: Gap into the Rose Bowl because of the timing, right, So.

1218
01:03:14,880 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: Well, we'll recap the Rose Bowl in the Cotton Bowl

1219
01:03:17,760 --> 01:03:21,840
Speaker 2: in mid June. They're going to get better on defense.

1220
01:03:22,200 --> 01:03:25,120
Speaker 2: The schedule is pretty nice early on to get the

1221
01:03:25,160 --> 01:03:29,400
Speaker 2: new guys in and gelling. They get Oregon in autsin,

1222
01:03:29,480 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 2: but that's later on in the season. Ucla is going

1223
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:35,720
Speaker 2: to be a new quarterback. Utah believe they have this year.

1224
01:03:35,800 --> 01:03:39,160
Speaker 2: I have the schedule in front of me. There Dame

1225
01:03:39,200 --> 01:03:41,600
Speaker 2: and yeah they have Notre Dame. So that's Notre Dame.

1226
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:45,560
Speaker 2: It's October this year, right, Yeah, it's October and Sam Hartman,

1227
01:03:45,800 --> 01:03:47,960
Speaker 2: so they they'll have time to figure out how they

1228
01:03:47,960 --> 01:03:49,840
Speaker 2: want to utilize the new guys and how to improve

1229
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:53,320
Speaker 2: upon last year. The problem to me is the Alex

1230
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:58,440
Speaker 2: Scrinch defense specifically, is you know, the slants and stunts

1231
01:03:58,520 --> 01:04:01,280
Speaker 2: and you know, not that it guessing, but it's kind

1232
01:04:01,320 --> 01:04:03,600
Speaker 2: of guessing up front sometimes to try to get a

1233
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 2: you know, a reaction advantage that I'm just not a

1234
01:04:07,520 --> 01:04:10,640
Speaker 2: huge fan of that system when you could have the

1235
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 2: talent and system that USC could have. They've brought in

1236
01:04:14,200 --> 01:04:17,360
Speaker 2: exactly one blue chip defensive lineman in the last two

1237
01:04:17,440 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 2: years from the high school ranks. It's very weird to

1238
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:23,560
Speaker 2: me that USC can't sort of span the globe and

1239
01:04:23,600 --> 01:04:27,760
Speaker 2: find good defensive linemen out of high school. So until

1240
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:32,120
Speaker 2: that happens, which maybe it will, I don't know, it's

1241
01:04:32,120 --> 01:04:34,479
Speaker 2: hard to see. If you know, the early returns aren't great.

1242
01:04:35,040 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 2: It's hard to see USC getting to the level at

1243
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,760
Speaker 2: which USC as an institution. USC fans like they're not

1244
01:04:43,800 --> 01:04:46,440
Speaker 2: going to become Georgia, Ohio State, Alabama, you know, whatever

1245
01:04:46,480 --> 01:04:49,280
Speaker 2: we saw from Clemson recently. They're just not If they

1246
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:54,800
Speaker 2: can't build a stacked defense afront. They just don't have that,

1247
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:57,080
Speaker 2: and it doesn't look like that's coming anytime soon.

1248
01:04:57,960 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, it'll be fascinating to see. I mean, Kyle Williams

1249
01:05:00,760 --> 01:05:04,160
Speaker 1: will make USC worth watching every game that he plays.

1250
01:05:04,640 --> 01:05:06,480
Speaker 1: But to your point of him being too good for

1251
01:05:06,520 --> 01:05:10,760
Speaker 1: opposing defenses for his own defense, he's too good for

1252
01:05:10,840 --> 01:05:13,919
Speaker 1: opposing defenses as well. I mean, you talk about the line.

1253
01:05:13,920 --> 01:05:16,760
Speaker 1: The line was pretty good this season, probably better than

1254
01:05:16,800 --> 01:05:20,120
Speaker 1: I gave them credit for when we did our preseason stuff,

1255
01:05:20,160 --> 01:05:22,960
Speaker 1: which we got murdered on YouTube talking about the line.

1256
01:05:23,240 --> 01:05:26,560
Speaker 1: That's fine, but I love them all. But Caleb Williams

1257
01:05:26,600 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: faced a lot of pressure this season. They weren't great

1258
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,800
Speaker 1: at protecting him, and he was still great at getting

1259
01:05:32,840 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: the ball out at obviously putting up Heisman caliber numbers

1260
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:40,640
Speaker 1: one hundred and tenth in pressure rate allowed. This offensive line, they.

1261
01:05:41,600 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 2: Hit the portal hard. Ethan White just signed from Florida,

1262
01:05:44,280 --> 01:05:47,960
Speaker 2: So I think if we're if we're believers, and what

1263
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:51,560
Speaker 2: they've added in the portal, NO think, at absolute minimum,

1264
01:05:51,560 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 2: there should be a solid offensive line this year.

1265
01:05:53,480 --> 01:05:54,400
Speaker 1: Yeah. I agree.

1266
01:05:55,000 --> 01:06:00,240
Speaker 2: Here's here's my USC question. We can agree Kayleb Williams's excellent,

1267
01:06:01,320 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 2: that's settled business. Yes, sure, Yeah.

1268
01:06:05,360 --> 01:06:08,040
Speaker 1: Is Caleb Williams fully excellent in the way you want

1269
01:06:08,120 --> 01:06:11,919
Speaker 1: him to be excellent? Is Caleb Williams a little bit

1270
01:06:12,080 --> 01:06:17,560
Speaker 1: of my whole game is buying time to make the

1271
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:23,760
Speaker 1: A plus play? And does he have seven B plus

1272
01:06:23,880 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: arrows in his quiver per game where it's just him

1273
01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: stepping up and hitting a comeback for thirteen yards? Is

1274
01:06:32,360 --> 01:06:34,840
Speaker 1: there in the way that like you watch CJ. Stroud

1275
01:06:34,840 --> 01:06:36,840
Speaker 1: and you're like, oh my god, the command of college

1276
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,160
Speaker 1: football offense that c J. Stroud has as he throws

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Speaker 1: it in, you know, in rhythm to a streaking so

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Speaker 1: and so up the seam you're saying, I'm saying, is

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Speaker 1: the plane at USC built a little too much out

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Speaker 1: of Caleb Williams? Yeah, skill set, his ability to create

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Speaker 1: time for himself.

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Speaker 2: Right, Like, is it too much of just the free

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Speaker 2: lance Caleb Williams buying time and hitting Mario Williams downfield?

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Speaker 2: Or you know, is it counting on Caleb Williams to

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Speaker 2: make six great plays and then everything else is whatever?

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Speaker 2: And is it something that's going to bite USC when

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Speaker 2: you know, we saw it against Oregon State that they

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Speaker 2: were able to get enough pressure to force Caleb Williams

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Speaker 2: into making quick decisions, and he struggled. He was not accurate,

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Speaker 2: and he really had difficulties reading a pretty good Oregon

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Speaker 2: State defense that he hasn't progressed in the B plus way,

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Speaker 2: the A minus way as much as i'd hope. But look,

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Speaker 2: I'm an Oregon fan. Maybe this is maybe this is

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Speaker 2: me wearing green and yellow goggles. There is something to that.

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Speaker 2: I think, though, Well, there's.

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Speaker 1: Something to being so rely on one player. We talked

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Speaker 1: about it with Drake May. Drake May is obviously much

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Speaker 1: much different case here. But you know, anytime you're that

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Speaker 1: relying on one player, yeah, I can come back to

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Speaker 1: bite you.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's not just the reliant on him, it's the

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Speaker 2: has Caleb Williams himself progressed in that way where you're like, huh,

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Speaker 2: well there, Look.

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Speaker 1: There's there's no doubt to me that he got a

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Speaker 1: hell of a lot better between his first season and

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Speaker 1: quarterback with Oklahoma probably last past season he won the

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Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy. I think this season will be very telling, though.

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Speaker 1: This season will tell us more. Yeah, we'll tell us

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Speaker 1: more about that, well, no more. By December, we will

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Speaker 1: absolutely know more by next December, say the least all right,

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Speaker 1: uh the drew one more time? Please just to put

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Speaker 1: a bow on this thing. Let us what a movie man?

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Speaker 1: What a movie? So quotable? Gosh soliverbogmail dot com is

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Speaker 1: the email address, right, and let us know what we miss,

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Speaker 1: what we got right, what you think we can do

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Speaker 1: better the next time. We'd appreciate your feedback. Don't forget

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Speaker 1: to subscribe to the show again. Every Tuesday and Thursday

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Speaker 1: so inclined, going out to Verballers dot com. That is

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Speaker 1: our patreon. That is where you can get access not

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Speaker 1: only to this show and all over episodes a little

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Speaker 1: bit early. You can watch as we do them live.

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Speaker 1: You can also get access to the bonus content that

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Speaker 1: we put out through the off season. So that includes

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Speaker 1: a weekly Q and a episode that we record bright

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Speaker 1: and early. Everybody can watch us do that live on

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Speaker 1: Thursday mornings. We also have we have yet to get

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Speaker 1: organized around this, but we will before long. We put

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Speaker 1: together what was it bi monthly off topic episodes where

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Speaker 1: we bring on a gust and last year we talked

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Speaker 1: about the web telescope. We talked about pizza, we talked

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Speaker 1: about a variety of other things. So we will be

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Speaker 1: doing much the same here in the off season. And

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Speaker 1: I've got ideas I know you do as well, but

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Speaker 1: nothing that we can announce as of now, just stuff

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Speaker 1: that I think the verballerhood can look forward to. We

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Speaker 1: are building this winter, spring and summer, Tie Brick. That's right,

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Speaker 1: my brick. That's what we do. This is this is

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Speaker 1: solid verbal season, Tie soliverbal SZN. You know it all right.

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Speaker 1: It's snowing here hopefully not wherever you are, but stay warm, everybody,

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Speaker 1: enjoy the weekend that is I guess championship weekend in

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Speaker 1: the NFL. That's the thing that you're into. That's the

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Speaker 1: thing that you're into. For that guy there, my good

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Speaker 1: friend Dan Rubinstein, for myself, Ty hilden Brand, Happy half birthday, Dan,

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Speaker 1: Thank you, Stay solid. Peace,