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Speaker 1: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here

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Speaker 1: at Jillets Stadium, and boy do we have a lot

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Speaker 1: to talk about. You know. Topic number one is the

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Speaker 1: Patriots game, Tom Brady halftime, that whole thing. But the

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Speaker 1: AFC East, Holy mackerel. It was turned on its head

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Speaker 1: last night with the Aaron Rodgers. Now we're finding out

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Speaker 1: a torn Achilles out for the season. I mean it's

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Speaker 1: a two horse race now, Patriots in Dolphins.

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Speaker 3: Could you believe that? Like they ran him out with

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Speaker 3: the flag? It was they know, like the September eleventh thing.

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Speaker 8: He's waiting, so.

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Speaker 3: I should have given Paul momentory. I just I couldn't

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Speaker 3: believe that though, though, like when Aaron Rodgers went out

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Speaker 3: with the flag, I'm like the Jets fans, they are ready.

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Speaker 3: The highlight of this is it and then four minutes

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Speaker 3: in just kind of awkwardly gets tackled. I couldn't believe

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Speaker 3: it yet. I couldn't believe those long feet and you

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Speaker 3: know that yeah angle what yeah, leverage?

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Speaker 1: Yeah? I ever see his feet, He's got like size

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Speaker 4: I'm sorry, I don't looking at people's feet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah it's Grosso in the shoot cleats on. Yeah, it

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Speaker 1: wasn't anyway, dogs were parking. So yeah, that that's that's huge.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into that obviously. What does that

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Speaker 1: mean for the Jets and for the AFC East. But

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Speaker 1: let's go back to Sunday tough I thought for the Patriots,

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Speaker 1: but like we talked about in the post game show,

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Speaker 1: there was enough there both offensively and defensively where I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to see this game on Sunday, you know, to

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Speaker 3: That's a huge game. I don't know, I mean, it's

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Speaker 3: you know, you don't overstate at week two, but you know,

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Speaker 3: based on how things have gone against Miami and TUA,

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Speaker 3: and you know, like you said last night, the Bill's losing,

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, they weren't a shootout with San

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Speaker 4: I think it truly just starts with eliminating the mistakes.

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Speaker 4: Like it's just like a face palm when you see

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they're gonna have to eliminate these mistakes for sure.

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Speaker 8: They didn't score their first opening drive touchdown until Thanksgiving

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Speaker 1: I mean we we went in, you know, finding out

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Speaker 1: But I think the offensive line held up in pass protection, well,

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Speaker 4: There is potential.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, oh boy, I really liked I really liked the defense.

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Speaker 6: and they and they really controlled it two hundred and

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Speaker 6: I thought they were really well prepared for it. They

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Speaker 6: thought that they had Jalen Hurt's second guessing himself a

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Speaker 6: I've seen them sort of struggle early on and then

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Speaker 6: I'm thinking of like Jonathan Taylor. You know against the

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Speaker 6: can't get it. Well, they did it twice. I was

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Speaker 6: really I thought that that was probably the best defensive

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean they gave up eighteen points right the defense.

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Speaker 8: And one of the West came on a short thing.

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Speaker 6: You have twelve points.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And so if someone had told you before the

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Speaker 3: I'd sign up for all of it.

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Speaker 8: You know, that loan the loan touchdown drive came off

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Speaker 8: I mean they really didn't give up a real touchdown.

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Speaker 6: Drive twenty six defense in this game.

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Speaker 8: And to Paul's point about their preparation, I mean this

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Speaker 8: They had different disguised coverages like they they were ready

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Speaker 8: what Marty map Who does with more exposure and more

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Speaker 8: I saw that Sometimes you turn on the film with

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Speaker 8: missed like ten throws that he could have made. This

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Speaker 4: How did you think it was without Jack Jones? Could

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Speaker 6: Or no, he's so dismissive.

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Speaker 8: good game for Miles Bryant playing in the slot mostly,

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Speaker 3: That was the only time that maybe you could have

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Speaker 8: Did you Yeah, so they faked the screen to him.

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Speaker 8: The play wasn't going to be that overly successful anyways,

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Speaker 6: Well, the Chargers defense is sketchy, it is.

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Speaker 4: I just don't understand how they continue to blow leads

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Speaker 5: What are you doing?

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Speaker 4: How have you not learned anything over and into.

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Speaker 6: Because whoa, that was a one score game the whole game.

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Speaker 6: I know everybody keeps saying how badly the Chargers underachieved

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Speaker 8: I couldn't agree more.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I just don't.

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Speaker 6: I think they're a good team. They're not a great team.

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Speaker 8: People look at their roster and think that they have

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Speaker 3: I just don't think the Patriots can win that game.

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Speaker 1: Up in that game. I don't want to like go

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Speaker 6: Still we'll do Miami tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: I still char I still want to talk about this

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Speaker 8: Look, I think this is the this is the combination

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's like in the air, I don't it's

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Speaker 8: But these just these little things when you take out

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Speaker 8: not fantasy football? Like, no, nobody cares about the stats.

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Speaker 1: Game because Parker's not. If Parker is, does he make

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Speaker 3: Think I think they win the game.

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Speaker 5: I don't know.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, and eventually you just need players to go out

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Speaker 3: Everyone's gonna laugh at me in the show because I'm

438
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Speaker 3: the guy that hates Brady, But when he ran out,

439
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Speaker 3: when he ran out with his jersey on, you know,

440
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Speaker 3: that was when I first kind of caught a glimpse

441
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Speaker 3: of it, and I just thought it was super cool,

442
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Speaker 3: you know, I mean, even having been here for a

443
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Speaker 3: year of him and experienced it firsthand, I don't know,

444
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Speaker 3: it just was it was a nice moment. For me

445
00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 3: just to see him right now. Of course, he said

446
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Speaker 3: all the right things and the presentation was great, but

447
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Speaker 3: for me, it was just the runout and seeing the

448
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Speaker 3: joy in his face and you know, really wondering if

449
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Speaker 3: he's ever going to do that run out again. You know,

450
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:02,640
Speaker 3: could this be the last time. He's talked so much

451
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Speaker 3: about how much it meant to him to play in

452
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Speaker 3: front of so many people in the crowd and the

453
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Speaker 3: competition and all those things. So that was my that

454
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Speaker 3: was my favorite part.

455
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I love him being up in the lighthouse,

456
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Speaker 1: and I like the fact that the first time we

457
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Speaker 1: saw Brady on Sunday was when he was up there,

458
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Speaker 1: so that was pretty cool. And I like when he

459
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Speaker 1: said I'll be a Patriot forever. You know, that's all

460
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Speaker 1: I need. That's that's all I needed.

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Speaker 8: You know, that's it.

462
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Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a Tampa Bay shure somewhere like and

463
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Speaker 3: also a little bit Tampa Bay.

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Speaker 8: So my question is, and I know that Tampa was

465
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Speaker 8: the last team to see him play, so maybe it's

466
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Speaker 8: not exactly the same, but like he's not going to

467
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Speaker 8: have that kind of like retirement moment with the Bucks, right,

468
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Speaker 8: I mean, he was only there for three.

469
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Speaker 3: Right, because to do something, they gotta do something. They

470
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Speaker 3: have nothing else but that that.

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Speaker 8: Was like to me, that was like the the icing

472
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Speaker 8: on the cake of the whole day. Was like, he

473
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Speaker 8: did this for the Patriots because you know, he still

474
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Speaker 8: recognizes everything that the Patriots meant to him, and he

475
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Speaker 8: recognized everything that he meant to the Patriots and all

476
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Speaker 8: that kind of stuff like that. The Bucks ain't getting that,

477
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Speaker 8: so we at least have that on Tampa Bay that

478
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Speaker 8: they're not going to get their little I think they

479
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Speaker 8: half times.

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Speaker 1: They would look kind of silly if they made such

481
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Speaker 1: a big thing. You know, yes, he won a Super

482
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Speaker 1: Bowl with him?

483
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Speaker 3: Does he go in their ring of honor?

484
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Speaker 5: Though?

485
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Speaker 3: I bet I bet they probably do.

486
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Speaker 8: You think they would do that his passing stats, I

487
00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:23,720
Speaker 8: think some of he has some of their franchise records.

488
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Speaker 6: I would absolutely And I can think of guys that

489
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Speaker 6: I would honor like that here that we're here for

490
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Speaker 6: three years, Like Curtis Martin. I think of him like that.

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Speaker 5: I mean.

492
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Speaker 6: He's not, No, he's not. But I'm just saying I

493
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Speaker 6: could make that argument.

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Speaker 1: No I couldn't.

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Speaker 3: No, no, Moss, Moss, No.

496
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Speaker 8: No, wait, you don't think ma should go in the

497
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Speaker 8: Patriots Hall fame.

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Speaker 1: I don't.

499
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Speaker 8: Oh gosh, I don't know about that.

500
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Speaker 6: Well, I agree with you on Moss, but I don't

501
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Speaker 6: on Curtis.

502
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean Curtis was a great player.

503
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Speaker 6: It's an individual thing, yeah, I mean I an individual whatever.

504
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Speaker 6: So he said, you know, patriot for life. Now, will

505
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Speaker 6: you feel differently about that comment if he's starting a

506
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Speaker 6: quarterback for the Jets in two weeks.

507
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Speaker 1: A little bit, just a little bit.

508
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Speaker 3: What was all that talk about your pagero for life?

509
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Speaker 5: Now?

510
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Speaker 6: In all seriousness, did he make that call? You have

511
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Speaker 6: to make the call, right. I'm not telling you that

512
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Speaker 6: I don't think this. I never say zero as you

513
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Speaker 6: guys know, I tried not to say zero percent, but

514
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Speaker 6: probably less than one percent chance that he would say yes.

515
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Speaker 6: But you have to make the qualify of the guests, right.

516
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Speaker 6: He looks I don't think it's just played last year.

517
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Speaker 3: He looks like he's embracing that life side.

518
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Speaker 1: I mean I know that Jets one. But now they

519
00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: have the perfect excuse to not win and get a quarterback.

520
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Speaker 6: You know, but that's not going to happen. Why because

521
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 6: they're going to win too many games, just like they

522
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Speaker 6: did last year.

523
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Speaker 1: I said, right, but they if they wanted to, they

524
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Speaker 1: could make it so that they don't, you know, or.

525
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Speaker 6: Do you suggest that they forfeit? And I cause you

526
00:23:54,560 --> 00:23:56,639
Speaker 6: can't have worse quarterback play than they did last year

527
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Speaker 6: and they still won seven games.

528
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Speaker 1: I know, but they weren't trying to lose last year.

529
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Speaker 1: I'm saying that they could do the QT and and

530
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:06,400
Speaker 1: fans would understand the soft tank.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, I don't really understand, especially the quiet tank, especially

532
00:24:09,840 --> 00:24:12,000
Speaker 8: in this quarterback class. I mean, you're going to have

533
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:13,840
Speaker 8: three or four guys at the top of the draft

534
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Speaker 8: that are going to be worth taking in the top ten,

535
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Speaker 8: like not like what we always do is like inflate

536
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Speaker 8: all these like this is you know, Drake May and

537
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,119
Speaker 8: Caleb Williams are legit top five rushers.

538
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Speaker 6: Just one year it's the Jets.

539
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Speaker 8: Cab is going to stay at school. Yeah right, Oh,

540
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Speaker 8: I don't think he's saying. I don't actually saying. But

541
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Speaker 8: did he say that. He didn't say about the Jets.

542
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Speaker 3: He just said generally.

543
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Speaker 6: He said, I want to be in a good situation.

544
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Speaker 6: I think that's a great situation.

545
00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:36,480
Speaker 8: Yeah.

546
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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, and that's you know, credit to the

547
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,040
Speaker 3: Jets defense last night too, and Priests Hall coming back.

548
00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 3: That's I mean, it's it's I mean, I know, laughs

549
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:44,879
Speaker 3: at Zach Wilson, but that's still a tough team that

550
00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:45,879
Speaker 3: it wasn't terrible.

551
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:48,360
Speaker 6: I mean, considering the circumstances, I don't think he looked good.

552
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,000
Speaker 6: I thought he looked a little times.

553
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Speaker 1: I am I scared of that Jets defense. Hell yeah, yeah, yeah,

554
00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:55,399
Speaker 1: they're they're good.

555
00:24:55,760 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 8: That picked him, Matt Malone, You're not terrible.

556
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Speaker 6: I'm not afraid of defenses in general, you know, I'm not.

557
00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 6: That's great that in a cup of five bucks, will

558
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 6: buy your cup if what.

559
00:25:07,440 --> 00:25:09,359
Speaker 3: If your offense is severely limited.

560
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,800
Speaker 6: Defense, that's but that's on my offense. Like I need

561
00:25:13,840 --> 00:25:17,120
Speaker 6: to be better offensively, getting back to what Evan talked about.

562
00:25:17,160 --> 00:25:18,960
Speaker 6: I need to be more consistent offense.

563
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Speaker 3: Garret Wilson nice catch too, I mean he's he's.

564
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Speaker 6: Play the fantasy team went down the toilet with that.

565
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Speaker 3: Okay, so can I mean, I don't want to get

566
00:25:26,560 --> 00:25:28,679
Speaker 3: on a thing here, but like the Bills, it seems

567
00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 3: like they got Dalton Kincaid and now they're a two

568
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Speaker 3: tight end team, and that's kind of what they're trying

569
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Speaker 3: to switch it up.

570
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Speaker 6: He's not a tight end.

571
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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's like I get SICKI right.

572
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Speaker 6: I know they were saying that a lot last night.

573
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Speaker 3: But regardless what you call him, that that's what the

574
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Speaker 3: that's the receiver said is with David Well, that's what

575
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Speaker 3: I was wondering when I watched it. And I mean,

576
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Speaker 3: you know, you can call him what you want, but

577
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Speaker 3: you know, it's just I think the Brady Patriots and

578
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 3: teams that try to sustain success, you have to evolve, right,

579
00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:55,040
Speaker 3: like you know, and it just and it feels a

580
00:25:55,040 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 3: little bit like the Bills are still kind of they

581
00:25:57,880 --> 00:25:59,480
Speaker 3: got one foot in and one foot out and heard

582
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Speaker 3: all this stuff Josh Allen making better decisions and I'm like,

583
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:03,840
Speaker 3: he took like three or four hits last night. Then

584
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Speaker 3: I'm like, is he okay? I mean, I don't know

585
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Speaker 3: how he's gonna make it through a season.

586
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Speaker 6: I don't mind it hits as much as everybody else.

587
00:26:09,880 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 6: But what else. A couple of things that I saw

588
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Speaker 6: last night, and most of this was off of highlights

589
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Speaker 6: because I turned the game off when Aaron Rodgers got hurt.

590
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Speaker 6: I was like, I have no interest in the rest

591
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Speaker 6: of this game, man, I only I was only watching

592
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Speaker 6: just to see how the Jets looked with Alan Rodgers,

593
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Speaker 6: and it lasted four plays. I saw like literally ten

594
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Speaker 6: other plays in the game live, you know, just clicking around.

595
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Speaker 1: Nice if you like football.

596
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Speaker 6: Yeah, I do like football. I don't like Zach.

597
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Speaker 8: Exactly like I don't need to see that.

598
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Speaker 6: I don't need to see that year.

599
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was watching. I don't get how bad it was.

600
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Speaker 6: I don't have the Jets.

601
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Speaker 1: It was an entertaining game.

602
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Speaker 6: I hate injuries in general, especially crippling ones, and that

603
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Speaker 6: one in particular has a soft spot in my heart

604
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Speaker 6: because I know how much it hurts.

605
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Speaker 3: Interesting though he kind of stood up first, was that

606
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Speaker 3: what you have with yours like it?

607
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Speaker 6: Don't for two and a half weeks before I went

608
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Speaker 6: to the doctors. That which that opened another scab last

609
00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:08,600
Speaker 6: night because Beth got to make fun of me for

610
00:27:08,640 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 6: like the next twenty minutes. Oh, big tough guy, you

611
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 6: want to just walk around and pretend if I didn't

612
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:14,240
Speaker 6: make you go to the doctors, you still would be

613
00:27:14,280 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 6: doing I said, no, I think it would have rolled up.

614
00:27:16,560 --> 00:27:17,800
Speaker 6: I don't think I would have been able to do

615
00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:19,160
Speaker 6: would have been at your mid knee.

616
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Speaker 8: But the Bills not to get back to football for

617
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Speaker 8: a second. The Bills, they desperately need a second wide receiver,

618
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Speaker 8: a second pass catcher other than Digs. And that's supposed

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Speaker 8: to be Kincaid, and he did nothing last night. I mean,

620
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Speaker 8: I know it's his first NFL game, but he was

621
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Speaker 8: the first round pick. Christian Gonzalez did something in the game.

622
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Speaker 8: So you know, you look at daland Kincaid and that

623
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Speaker 8: that's the that's the possession guy, right Like, that's the

624
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Speaker 8: guy that's supposed to move the chains for them in

625
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Speaker 8: the middle of the field and have Digs on the outside,

626
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Speaker 8: and they they really struggled to find like secondary receiving

627
00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,160
Speaker 8: help for Josh Allen. They obviously have Digs, but they

628
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Speaker 8: need those other guys.

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Speaker 6: To your point, it was closing to you the Jets,

630
00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:07,120
Speaker 6: by the way, owned Buffalo. But anyway, to your point

631
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Speaker 6: about evolving from the early part of the game that

632
00:28:10,520 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 6: I that I did watch the actual drives, I did

633
00:28:13,080 --> 00:28:15,120
Speaker 6: think that they made a more concerted effort to try

634
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Speaker 6: to run conventionally with Cook. With Cook, then they got

635
00:28:18,520 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 6: down inside the ten and they had old pal Damien Harris,

636
00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:24,720
Speaker 6: you know, try to run it in So I think

637
00:28:24,760 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 6: that is something that might be evolving for them. It

638
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 6: is a change because they're used to just saying everything

639
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Speaker 6: for Josh.

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Speaker 8: But it's a good thing for the defense. Like every

641
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:36,800
Speaker 8: time they turned it around and handed Harris, I'm happy,

642
00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:37,520
Speaker 8: like go ahead.

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Speaker 6: So but at the same time, you're telling me that

644
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Speaker 6: they lost in the Cincinnati game because they can't run

645
00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 6: the ball, did I yeah, you did. Cincinnati won the

646
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:51,960
Speaker 6: game because they were better on the ground and when

647
00:28:52,000 --> 00:28:53,920
Speaker 6: there were things that I think that run counter to

648
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Speaker 6: how your game actually unfolded.

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Speaker 1: The Belichick database, Paul has an argument database. It's argument fault.

650
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Speaker 6: You can't remember your name.

651
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Speaker 8: You know, well, I remember saying that it is a

652
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 8: long time ago. But I also you know that game

653
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 8: was also weather related. So I don't know. I'm not

654
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,320
Speaker 8: a big run run game guy, like especially again.

655
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Speaker 6: And I don't want them to run a lot, but

656
00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 6: I do think that they need to run. When they

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Speaker 6: try to run. It can't just be Josh Allen in

658
00:29:21,480 --> 00:29:24,400
Speaker 6: the spread and we're gonna just spread everything out and

659
00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,760
Speaker 6: then see if Devin Singletary can hit a crease. Sometimes

660
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 6: you just have to line up and run the normally.

661
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 6: And I think that they at least tried to do

662
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,040
Speaker 6: that early in the game. Now I evidently I didn't,

663
00:29:35,080 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 6: and I didn't watch much of this. Evidently it completely

664
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 6: fell apart for Josh Allen in the second half.

665
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Speaker 3: Yeah, Cook look pretty good.

666
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 6: I like James Cook. I think he's a good player.

667
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,800
Speaker 1: Cody writes in I like what Evan is saying. My

668
00:29:46,920 --> 00:29:50,440
Speaker 1: one takeaway from this game was, man, could they wouldn't

669
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: they look good with the Wattle Hill Dag's Wilson type

670
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,600
Speaker 1: receiver improved offense, But man, they just need a guy. Uh.

671
00:29:57,640 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 1: And then Jack says finally had something to feel optimistic

672
00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: about in the AFC East, with the Jets changing dramatically

673
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,520
Speaker 1: for the worst, Josh Allen playing downright bad last night,

674
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,040
Speaker 1: and I thought the Patriots finally gave me some hope

675
00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 1: that we have something decent here. And then Evan brings

676
00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,240
Speaker 1: us all back down to reality. What a drag to

677
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:14,719
Speaker 1: listen to?

678
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 3: He says, Well, I would say to just you know,

679
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 3: and I you know, I hear everything that that these

680
00:30:19,920 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 3: guys are saying. But you know, you started two rookies

681
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 3: on the offensive line, like let's you know, let's get healthy,

682
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, I'm not gonna I'm not going

683
00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 3: to argue about the Max stuff, but you know, I

684
00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 3: think that they can get a boost, certainly from getting

685
00:30:31,200 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 3: Michael and when you call Strange back, and you know,

686
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 3: even Parker for for what he's for what he is.

687
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:37,400
Speaker 6: So I'll give you that.

688
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 8: Get the offensive line guys back and we'll see.

689
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 3: We'll see maybe they can run the ball a little

690
00:30:41,480 --> 00:30:44,200
Speaker 3: bit more. Maybe it helps them establish a little bit

691
00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:46,480
Speaker 3: of a margin for error that I think we all,

692
00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,240
Speaker 3: you know, kind of agree that just hasn't existed the

693
00:30:49,280 --> 00:30:51,200
Speaker 3: last couple of years. It's you know, what the game's

694
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:52,680
Speaker 3: going to look like. I think we all were thinking

695
00:30:52,720 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 3: the same thing when it was sixteen nothing. You're like, here,

696
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 3: this game, if this is the same team as we've

697
00:30:57,440 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: been watching for two years, this game is over. It

698
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:01,600
Speaker 3: was didn't even take the lead back they got, you know,

699
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 3: they got within two points and that was encouraging, but

700
00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: you know, still it's bad start.

701
00:31:06,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 6: I didn't think the game was over.

702
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 3: In fairness, people text me in the same to Paul,

703
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:11,360
Speaker 3: just get the knob.

704
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 6: I did, and I did not. Now I did not

705
00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:15,080
Speaker 6: expect it to unfold the rest of the way the

706
00:31:15,120 --> 00:31:17,600
Speaker 6: way it did. So I don't want to be, you know, disingenuous.

707
00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 6: I didn't. I figured that the Patriots would, you know,

708
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,840
Speaker 6: kick around. I figured Philly would lose interest in the game,

709
00:31:23,880 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 6: would be a little closer than you. But that's not

710
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 6: what happened. Patriots outplayed the Eagles the rest of the game.

711
00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 3: You were almost ready to give the Patriots not the score.

712
00:31:32,360 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 6: We were both like they're gonna win with certainty. I

713
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 6: thought the Patriots were going to score and after the fumble, yeah,

714
00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 6: when they didn't score. When they didn't score after the fumble,

715
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 6: I didn't have the same confidence the second time they

716
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:44,320
Speaker 6: went down.

717
00:31:44,400 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 8: Not to toot my own horn.

718
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 6: But I was Evyan was doom and gloom because because

719
00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 6: I just.

720
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 8: I saw that movie all last season, like how the

721
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,600
Speaker 8: Bengals game, the Raiders game, Like I've just seen it

722
00:31:56,680 --> 00:31:59,000
Speaker 8: over and over again, that this team just can't come up.

723
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:02,000
Speaker 8: What does clutch? But you said the word consistency, and

724
00:32:02,040 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 8: I Paul about the offense, and that to me, it's

725
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:11,080
Speaker 8: just how hard it is to be consistent at playing offense.

726
00:32:10,840 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 6: This way, like you have to trick the other team

727
00:32:13,240 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 6: all the time.

728
00:32:13,800 --> 00:32:17,200
Speaker 8: Yeah, the scheme has to work every play. The quarterback

729
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,880
Speaker 8: has to make the right decision with the proper read,

730
00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,800
Speaker 8: with the proper accuracy and the like all of these

731
00:32:22,840 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 8: little things that happen. Like you just turn on that

732
00:32:25,600 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 8: that Chargers Dolphins game last night, and I you know,

733
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,360
Speaker 8: I was watching the film during Monday night football, and

734
00:32:31,400 --> 00:32:35,719
Speaker 8: like the Dolphins like sometimes don't even look right, but

735
00:32:35,760 --> 00:32:38,560
Speaker 8: then Tyreek will just outrun everybody, and two it just

736
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:41,080
Speaker 8: throws them the football and it's like they can have

737
00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 8: seventeen other mistakes on one play, but eventually, like ten

738
00:32:45,080 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 8: is just gonna get loose and he's gonna score a

739
00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:49,040
Speaker 8: touchdown and the Patriots just don't have that luxury.

740
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,800
Speaker 1: Neil says, based on the show opening, we should fire Belichick,

741
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 1: trade our assets, start a new regime, and get a

742
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:58,800
Speaker 1: top three pick for a new quarterback. That's insanely harsh,

743
00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,160
Speaker 1: but that is what you're saying. Or we'll just go

744
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:02,760
Speaker 1: eight and nine for eternity.

745
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,440
Speaker 6: Who said that us? That's what he You know, you

746
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 6: were talking about the Jets. You were talking about the

747
00:33:10,400 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 6: Jets when you said that they should just Yeah, no

748
00:33:12,320 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 6: one would know. I don't know I suggesting the Patriot

749
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 6: should tank.

750
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's what he's talking about. I

751
00:33:17,200 --> 00:33:18,680
Speaker 1: was talking about the Jets at that point.

752
00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just want to be clear on that. No

753
00:33:20,680 --> 00:33:21,880
Speaker 6: one said the Patriot should tank.

754
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,040
Speaker 1: No, no, Adam from Louisiana. I'm not trying to compare

755
00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: Mac to Tom because they're obviously not on the same level.

756
00:33:27,680 --> 00:33:29,960
Speaker 1: Evan was talking about how Mac can't make the throw

757
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: on the run like Josh Allen can, but Tom Brady

758
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,360
Speaker 1: didn't make those either, So do we really need it?

759
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Speaker 1: We proved with Brady that you don't need a mobile

760
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:40,000
Speaker 1: quarterback to win. What are your takes on the need

761
00:33:40,040 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: of mobility and how you can overcome not having it

762
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:43,400
Speaker 1: at quarterbacks?

763
00:33:43,400 --> 00:33:45,760
Speaker 4: It's not you overcome not having it at quarterback by

764
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,200
Speaker 4: having like star wide receivers and speed wide receivers like

765
00:33:49,280 --> 00:33:52,160
Speaker 4: Jalen Wattle or digs, but like you can't have.

766
00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:54,520
Speaker 1: Or you overcome it by having the greatest quarterback of

767
00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 1: all times.

768
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Speaker 8: That it's I don't think it's about a question of

769
00:33:57,760 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 8: mobility versus not mobility. It's just you got to give

770
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 8: me one or the other. Like Brady was so efficient

771
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 8: and so sharp on every single time he dropped back

772
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Speaker 8: pretty much so that he made up for the fact

773
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Speaker 8: that he didn't have mobility with the fact that he

774
00:34:13,200 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 8: was just perfect all the time. If you can't be

775
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:20,640
Speaker 8: near perfect in the pocket and you can't add plays

776
00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 8: out of structure on the move, then you're just not

777
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:26,480
Speaker 8: giving me either thing. And Mac I think can do

778
00:34:26,840 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 8: the consistency thing from the pocket in stretches and we

779
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 8: saw that in the second quarter of the game on Sunday,

780
00:34:33,440 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 8: But can he do it for four quarters? Can he

781
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,120
Speaker 8: do it when it counts late in the game? Can

782
00:34:38,160 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 8: they do it? Not just him? And that's the difference.

783
00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,640
Speaker 8: Brady made up for all the mobility stuff because he

784
00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 8: was perfect and not everybody's going to be perfect, but

785
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:47,880
Speaker 8: you need to be consistent.

786
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:50,360
Speaker 4: H I feel like they're just relying so much on

787
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: their coaching and their ability to coach around the fact

788
00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 4: that they don't have an elite quarterback and they don't

789
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 4: have elite receivers and it's like, how long will that ye?

790
00:34:58,320 --> 00:34:59,920
Speaker 4: How long will you be will you be able to sustain?

791
00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:02,399
Speaker 6: I just watched the punt return for the Jets game.

792
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 6: How did they not call that?

793
00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:05,520
Speaker 3: I know, block yep in the back it.

794
00:35:05,440 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 6: Was it was a block below the waist. It was

795
00:35:07,520 --> 00:35:08,879
Speaker 6: a trip Lake win.

796
00:35:09,000 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, there was some Twitter Twitter, people pointing

797
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:13,799
Speaker 3: out that.

798
00:35:13,800 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but that like that that could have been significant.

799
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 6: That might have forced the Jets to get a first down.

800
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,920
Speaker 6: I don't know who's taking a field seriously, Like that

801
00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:23,120
Speaker 6: was about the twenty five yard line. That's a fifteen

802
00:35:23,200 --> 00:35:24,920
Speaker 6: yard penalty for a trip.

803
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 8: It's from the spot of the foul, right, so it was.

804
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,400
Speaker 6: At the twenty five yard line. They might have had

805
00:35:29,440 --> 00:35:30,920
Speaker 6: to get a first down to get a field goal.

806
00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:33,759
Speaker 1: Who was it that said this game has an asterisk

807
00:35:34,160 --> 00:35:36,280
Speaker 1: of that the rules of experts?

808
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 6: Yeah, Joe Perry or Joe Perry perros Man.

809
00:35:40,480 --> 00:35:43,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, did you see the old people want guitars for

810
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 8: the Rogers?

811
00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 3: Yeah?

812
00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: What do you think about that? That was somebody pose

813
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:50,960
Speaker 1: that should you know, uh, sports books, and I'll give

814
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:53,480
Speaker 1: refunds for a situation like that.

815
00:35:53,600 --> 00:35:54,279
Speaker 5: Nope, I.

816
00:35:55,880 --> 00:35:58,240
Speaker 6: Risk Yeah, that's why. Yeah, that's why it's gambling.

817
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:58,640
Speaker 5: Right.

818
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,719
Speaker 3: What happens if you bet on a team in the

819
00:36:00,760 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 3: other team's quarterback gets hurt? Like, do you.

820
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: Right?

821
00:36:04,560 --> 00:36:07,160
Speaker 6: Like the Patriots wouldn't have won ten games two years

822
00:36:07,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 6: ago if all the teams that they played were healthy, right, Like,

823
00:36:10,160 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 6: that's ridiculous.

824
00:36:11,080 --> 00:36:12,920
Speaker 1: I think I think they were talking about like season

825
00:36:13,000 --> 00:36:14,480
Speaker 1: long wages, but still right.

826
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:16,680
Speaker 6: No, I'm saying like people that bet the under of

827
00:36:17,239 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 6: a team's win total, right, and they end up instead

828
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 6: of winning five games, they win seven games because they

829
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:25,319
Speaker 6: didn't they played the Jets without Aaron Rodgers twice.

830
00:36:25,080 --> 00:36:28,360
Speaker 4: Right, I wonder I'm surprised, like there wasn't anything like

831
00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 4: that when the Bengals Bills game got suspended.

832
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 6: Like, I'm glad that people those bets were noll and

833
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:36,319
Speaker 6: void were because of that game. Yeah, because it didn't.

834
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 6: It has to go a certain amount of time.

835
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: It wasn't a result. Shotty from Beirut Lebanon right. Sin

836
00:36:42,640 --> 00:36:45,719
Speaker 1: Evan is absolutely spot on the amount of delusion and

837
00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:47,799
Speaker 1: happiness that I've seen from the fan base for an

838
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: offense that scored twenty points and failed to win the

839
00:36:50,040 --> 00:36:53,239
Speaker 1: game despite having two chances to do so is baffling

840
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:56,480
Speaker 1: to me. This is similar to every showing from last season.

841
00:36:56,600 --> 00:36:58,920
Speaker 1: They're in a hole, they make a mini comeback and

842
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,120
Speaker 1: don't actually win the game. A question for everyone did

843
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,760
Speaker 1: anyone think Mac would win us the game in either

844
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: of those two drives? I did not. It was an

845
00:37:07,600 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 1: all two fight script.

846
00:37:09,200 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 6: The first ve when when Jabrill Pepper's forced to fumble.

847
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 6: I thought they were gonna get out in the score.

848
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:15,600
Speaker 6: Me too, Yeah, I did not have the same confidence

849
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,600
Speaker 6: the second time around because of what happened on.

850
00:37:17,560 --> 00:37:19,560
Speaker 8: The first I had no confidence at any point.

851
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,440
Speaker 6: No, and Evan is not exaggerating. He was sitting he

852
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 6: really didn't. He was sitting between Mike and I and

853
00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 6: he did not have any confidence.

854
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 4: I think once I see Mac complete a comeback, then

855
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 4: I will have some confidence.

856
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,279
Speaker 8: But for now, I don't that. I don't love the

857
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 8: stat of fourth quarter comebacks and game winning drives because

858
00:37:36,320 --> 00:37:39,640
Speaker 8: there's a lot of context involved in these stats. But

859
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:43,200
Speaker 8: he is one fourth quarter comeback and game winning drive

860
00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:46,680
Speaker 8: the same game Houston his rookie season. One time he

861
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 8: has led a game winning drive in thirty three starts.

862
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:52,760
Speaker 8: And that that to me is not just on the quarterback,

863
00:37:52,800 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 8: but just in general. Like I don't I don't know

864
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,600
Speaker 8: if you can explain clutch, like how do you like,

865
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 8: how do you coach that? How do you cay But

866
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:03,879
Speaker 8: we see this all the time out at practice where

867
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,840
Speaker 8: Bill will say two minutes to go, you're down by four,

868
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 8: you need a touchdown, defense needs to stop a touchdown,

869
00:38:12,880 --> 00:38:17,040
Speaker 8: go play, And I don't keep track of who wins

870
00:38:17,040 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 8: every single time. But the point is is that they

871
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 8: run through these scenarios all summer long, and yet when

872
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,799
Speaker 8: it gets to the game, they never have it, Like,

873
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 8: they never have the ability when the chips are down

874
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 8: and the money's on the line. And in this league,

875
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,719
Speaker 8: that's such a big difference between ten and seven in

876
00:38:37,760 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 8: the playoffs and eight and nine and out of the playoffs.

877
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 8: Are these little swing games that happen, like that's a

878
00:38:42,120 --> 00:38:44,640
Speaker 8: game that if they're eight and eight going into the

879
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,239
Speaker 8: last game of the year and they're out of the

880
00:38:46,239 --> 00:38:48,799
Speaker 8: playoff picture or whatever, we're going to look back and

881
00:38:48,840 --> 00:38:50,320
Speaker 8: be like, oh, they had a chance to play the

882
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:51,040
Speaker 8: pill game.

883
00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, I was watching Cleveland and the Bengals and

884
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:56,720
Speaker 1: it was like, I don't know, a real low scoring

885
00:38:56,760 --> 00:39:00,000
Speaker 1: game until the end, then they started putting points on it.

886
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: That's the NFL these days. You know.

887
00:39:02,600 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 3: Let's just look at all of I mean, every one

888
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:06,239
Speaker 3: of the Super Bowls that that they Patriots played in,

889
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 3: I mean, every single one of them came down to

890
00:39:07,960 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 3: needing to be clutch at the end. I Mean, I

891
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 3: just think it goes back to the general sentiment about

892
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: the team that it's just it's a very narrow path

893
00:39:14,400 --> 00:39:16,799
Speaker 3: to victory. And it's not just about the last drive.

894
00:39:16,800 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 3: It's about the whole game. You know, It's about the

895
00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 3: mistakes that were made on the first two drives, you

896
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 3: know that eventually come back and catch up with you.

897
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:25,640
Speaker 3: It's not just you know, in a vacuum. Here, let's

898
00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:26,920
Speaker 3: run one drive at the end of the game.

899
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: Let's let's play a game. If the if the Patriots

900
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 1: offense is to improve, what will be their identity?

901
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:38,879
Speaker 3: Just I would have to be pinpoint execution. I think,

902
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 3: you know, get healthy and you know, maybe involved Mario

903
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:44,200
Speaker 3: Douglas a little bit more. I mean, I'm sure we'll

904
00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,640
Speaker 3: get to talk a little bit about Juju. But you know,

905
00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 3: I think everybody feels pretty good about Hendrick Born right now.

906
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:52,680
Speaker 3: You know, so was it Born Parker Douglas.

907
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: Will it be like an offense that shredsed that you

908
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:57,600
Speaker 1: know a thousand cuts?

909
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 6: Yes, definite.

910
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,480
Speaker 8: Yeah, I think points spot on, pinpoint execution.

911
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:05,080
Speaker 4: It's gonna be precision and no mistakes at all. Like

912
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,480
Speaker 4: it's gonna have to be like elite special teams, precision

913
00:40:07,520 --> 00:40:09,239
Speaker 4: on offense, no turnovers at all.

914
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 6: It's gonna have you.

915
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,520
Speaker 1: Perfect And then when they do have a that one

916
00:40:12,600 --> 00:40:15,319
Speaker 1: or two mistake per game, the defense bails them out.

917
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I mean, look, nobody's gonna play perfect, you know,

918
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:19,960
Speaker 3: like no offense should be expected like that. It's not

919
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 3: like you're on a razor's edge of you know, walking

920
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 3: that narrow. But you know, at least when you stack

921
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:27,920
Speaker 3: eighty ninety percent of the game is excellent execution, then

922
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 3: it does give you a little bit of a margin forever.

923
00:40:30,480 --> 00:40:32,759
Speaker 3: But certainly, you know, to Tesmaris, but you can't start

924
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:35,040
Speaker 3: out in a sixteen to nothing hole, like this team

925
00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 3: is not built for that at all. So fast starts,

926
00:40:37,719 --> 00:40:39,160
Speaker 3: good finishes are imperative.

927
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:44,320
Speaker 8: This game followed so many Patriots trends of the score

928
00:40:44,440 --> 00:40:47,440
Speaker 8: twenty five points exactly, they're oh to eleven with Mac

929
00:40:47,520 --> 00:40:49,879
Speaker 8: Jones as a starter when the opponent scores twenty five

930
00:40:49,920 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 8: plus comebacks, can't do it, like all these trends that

931
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:55,879
Speaker 8: they over the last you know, two and a half

932
00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,560
Speaker 8: years of Mac, Like it's all the it's all the

933
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 8: same trends of this game. Check the boxes on. You

934
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:03,720
Speaker 8: dig yourself into that hole. You can't mouth the comeback,

935
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 8: you can't score more than twenty five, Like those are

936
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 8: all the things that this team has just not been

937
00:41:09,680 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 8: able to do.

938
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,399
Speaker 4: I also feel like you just can't teach someone how

939
00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:14,360
Speaker 4: to be clutched or to have ice in their veins.

940
00:41:14,400 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 4: You have it or you don't, and you can't as

941
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 4: much as you can work on it, like practice it

942
00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:21,160
Speaker 4: at practice, you just have it or you don't.

943
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 3: I'd say the same thing about greatness, you know, like

944
00:41:23,600 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 3: just greatness is innate, like you know, and I think

945
00:41:26,640 --> 00:41:28,880
Speaker 3: everybody agrees Mac works super hard, Like I don't think

946
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:31,280
Speaker 3: there's a quarterback in the league probably that is putting

947
00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 3: more of himself into his job and what he's doing.

948
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 3: But you know, at some point, it just it has

949
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,160
Speaker 3: to translate to a jump, you know. And I don't

950
00:41:38,200 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 3: think anybody, even those that are trumpeting the performance with

951
00:41:41,600 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 3: the yardage and the touchdowns, are saying that, you know,

952
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 3: this is another level we haven't seen. Certainly deserves credit

953
00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 3: for those touchdown throws in the red zone. I mean,

954
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 3: we didn't see that last year, So I do have

955
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 3: to give them. And that's why I thought I thought

956
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: they were gonna win. I thought that they had a

957
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:55,640
Speaker 3: little juice in the red zone. And you know, I

958
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 3: guess I'm I'm still used to when those things happen

959
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:00,400
Speaker 3: with Brady, Like how many times did they come back

960
00:42:00,719 --> 00:42:03,120
Speaker 3: and not get the job done? Like I just thought

961
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 3: of San Francisco in twenty twelve where it was like,

962
00:42:05,320 --> 00:42:07,120
Speaker 3: oh my gosh, come back, to come back, to come back,

963
00:42:07,160 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 3: and then it's like not a comeback. You know, it's

964
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:12,320
Speaker 3: a few times, but you just felt when the momentum shifted,

965
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,120
Speaker 3: they're going to face shit it enough.

966
00:42:13,960 --> 00:42:16,400
Speaker 8: Where you ye, well, that's the thing is Like I

967
00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 8: feel like we always remember the Patriots front running in

968
00:42:19,719 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 8: the Brady years, like just killing every single team, But

969
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:26,160
Speaker 8: there were so many games where they made a lot

970
00:42:26,200 --> 00:42:29,080
Speaker 8: of mistakes, you know, twenty eight to three, like right,

971
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:29,719
Speaker 8: you need to just.

972
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 3: Make twenty thirteen the Broncos that huge hole.

973
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:34,600
Speaker 8: You just make a n of mistakes and they just

974
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,160
Speaker 8: were able to climb out of them all. And that

975
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 8: this team needs to front run, like they need to

976
00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,360
Speaker 8: play from ahead, they need to play at their tempo

977
00:42:42,520 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 8: and at their game script and then they can win.

978
00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:47,760
Speaker 8: But when the game script does, when the script doesn't

979
00:42:47,760 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 8: go to plan, they don't they don't have a plan

980
00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 8: B Like they can't win those types of games. And

981
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:54,960
Speaker 8: I think we always forget how many of those there

982
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:55,359
Speaker 8: really were.

983
00:42:55,480 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 6: And I think in terms of the script, I agree

984
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,920
Speaker 6: with you one thousand percent about the game script. But

985
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 6: I also think that's largely true for Mac. I think

986
00:43:03,640 --> 00:43:07,319
Speaker 6: when he's shown like more often than not, that he'll

987
00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 6: get the ball where it's supposed to go if everything

988
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 6: looks right. And I even go to that last the

989
00:43:11,880 --> 00:43:15,440
Speaker 6: last pass to Booty, I thought it was I mean,

990
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 6: I totally understand where Evan's coming from. You maybe it

991
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 6: was a little tick late and that allowed the corner.

992
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:25,480
Speaker 6: I think it was Job. Was it the former Alabama

993
00:43:25,560 --> 00:43:27,480
Speaker 6: kid right that was sick during the week. Yeah, he's

994
00:43:27,520 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 6: the one that I thought made a really underrated play

995
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:33,880
Speaker 6: by pushing Booty out of bounds. He's pushed the booty

996
00:43:35,120 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 6: and maybe you know, a savvy er wide out like

997
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 6: Parker who's excellent with the toe taps right, Ye, maybe

998
00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,120
Speaker 6: he drags the foot before that push comes. Maybe if

999
00:43:44,120 --> 00:43:46,239
Speaker 6: it throws a split second earlier, like Evan said. But

1000
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 6: I thought that was one of his better throws of

1001
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,319
Speaker 6: the day, if not the best. Tha that's you know,

1002
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,760
Speaker 6: games on the line. But how did it come about?

1003
00:43:54,520 --> 00:43:58,520
Speaker 6: Back foot snap, backfoot balls out, boom, nothing to look

1004
00:43:58,560 --> 00:44:00,839
Speaker 6: at nothing to think about the this is where I'm going,

1005
00:44:00,840 --> 00:44:04,000
Speaker 6: and I'm gonna throw with conviction. But to your point

1006
00:44:04,040 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 6: on the fourth and three, I think that might have

1007
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,080
Speaker 6: They might have been trying to get Juju on some

1008
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:13,439
Speaker 6: kind of an option route that he was not prepared for.

1009
00:44:14,200 --> 00:44:15,719
Speaker 6: And I heard a lot of people talking about this

1010
00:44:15,800 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 6: yesterday in the radio. I watched the same play. I

1011
00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 6: kind of got the same you know when you said

1012
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:24,840
Speaker 6: he may may have had born to off script, off platform,

1013
00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 6: And this is why, like I sort of bristle at

1014
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,160
Speaker 6: the well, Brady couldn't throw on the run either. No,

1015
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 6: Brady wasn't a great on the run, like stripped on

1016
00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:34,600
Speaker 6: the run passer, but he could move around off platform

1017
00:44:34,640 --> 00:44:38,480
Speaker 6: and make plays. And I think back way even early

1018
00:44:38,560 --> 00:44:40,800
Speaker 6: in his career to that bomb in overtime to Troy Brown,

1019
00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,480
Speaker 6: where he's buying time in the pocket, back pedaling and

1020
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 6: throwing the ball sixty yards downfield to you know, in

1021
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:52,000
Speaker 6: stride to Troy Brown for a touchdown. Mac doesn't and

1022
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 6: it's not about like Armstead. He doesn't. I don't think

1023
00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 6: have the ability to rip the ball unless he's really

1024
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 6: got his base underneath him.

1025
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: Rhythm in rhythm and he can do it like grow.

1026
00:45:02,719 --> 00:45:05,279
Speaker 6: It's arm strength is not a problem when everything is

1027
00:45:05,360 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 6: okay when it comes into play and we how many

1028
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 6: times do we say, my god, he's just like floating

1029
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:14,480
Speaker 6: them into you know, traffic and defensive team meetings. Two

1030
00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 6: is very similar. I think these two quarterbacks are really similar.

1031
00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 6: And I watched a little. I didn't watch the whole game,

1032
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:22,480
Speaker 6: but I watched a little of the highlight package. Two

1033
00:45:22,560 --> 00:45:24,080
Speaker 6: was going to give you some chances. He gave the

1034
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,680
Speaker 6: Chargers some chances for picks the other day. Only one

1035
00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:28,799
Speaker 6: of them got intercepted. I would say the same thing

1036
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,520
Speaker 6: about Mac. You know, he's gonna throw it fifty four times.

1037
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:33,840
Speaker 6: The Eagles got their hands on five or six of

1038
00:45:33,840 --> 00:45:36,960
Speaker 6: them or had a chance even if they didn't hit them,

1039
00:45:37,200 --> 00:45:39,959
Speaker 6: they had a chance to make a play on more

1040
00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:41,279
Speaker 6: than the one that they picked off.

1041
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:44,200
Speaker 1: Eight five five pats five hundred is the ace ticket

1042
00:45:44,239 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 1: hut line. Let's open the phones up. We'll go to

1043
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 1: Sean and Vancouver. What's up, Sean?

1044
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:52,000
Speaker 9: Yeah, I, like the most rest of you, or just

1045
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 9: about everybody, I was disappointed that didn't win, but I

1046
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 9: was encouraged because you know, as you probably know, my

1047
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 9: focus is more on the future. I didn't expect the

1048
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,359
Speaker 9: Patriots to beat the Eagles. This is a game that

1049
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,200
Speaker 9: was a huge, huge challenge, and you know, the Patriots

1050
00:46:11,200 --> 00:46:13,759
Speaker 9: made mistakes. We've been pointing them out. They need to

1051
00:46:13,800 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 9: work keeping the ball down and a pop is not

1052
00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:19,720
Speaker 9: that tall. They need to make better decisions like taking

1053
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 9: points and believing in your defense. That's something they need

1054
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:25,400
Speaker 9: to do as well. And wide receivers that work on

1055
00:46:25,440 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 9: those tool taps. As a rookie, you can do that.

1056
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:32,720
Speaker 9: And I have some confidence that these things will happen

1057
00:46:32,840 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 9: over the year and they'll be better moving forward. And now,

1058
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 9: like I said, this Eagles game was a huge challenge.

1059
00:46:38,719 --> 00:46:41,279
Speaker 9: Areas that the Patriots had to work on that were

1060
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:43,440
Speaker 9: problems last year. Stopping mobile quarterbacks.

1061
00:46:43,440 --> 00:46:44,680
Speaker 1: They did that this.

1062
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 9: Game, you know, keeping yards down against top offense, and

1063
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 9: they kept the Eagles down mostly. Again, the defense played

1064
00:46:51,800 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 9: really well and you know, depending the tight ends. Sure

1065
00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 9: the Eagles only target at Dallas Dot Are once and

1066
00:46:56,760 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 9: it's probably open, but we don't know if he'll catch

1067
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 9: a ball, so maybe they were good at that too.

1068
00:47:01,480 --> 00:47:05,560
Speaker 9: Also giving up pressure like that. Had that offensive line,

1069
00:47:05,640 --> 00:47:08,399
Speaker 9: my god, they had two rookie backup guards in there

1070
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,240
Speaker 9: and the right tackle that never played for the Patriots

1071
00:47:10,320 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 9: were not even in the three seasons Calvin Anderson. I

1072
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 9: think he did pretty well and they didn't give up

1073
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:16,840
Speaker 9: a back until the end of the fourth quarter. But

1074
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:19,880
Speaker 9: most importantly, and Fred, you were saying, this is a

1075
00:47:19,960 --> 00:47:23,239
Speaker 9: key for this moving forward is mac Jones has to

1076
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 9: be better than he was two years ago. And I

1077
00:47:25,600 --> 00:47:29,120
Speaker 9: have confidence now I haven't seen it, but now in

1078
00:47:29,200 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 9: this game it looks like, yeah, maybe he can't. Sure

1079
00:47:32,160 --> 00:47:35,280
Speaker 9: they don't have a deep threat. The running game didn't work,

1080
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 9: so he had to do the quick throwsers like no

1081
00:47:39,440 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 9: chance to play action with you know, being down sixteen early.

1082
00:47:43,040 --> 00:47:46,560
Speaker 9: But maybe if they have someone besides Born to go deep,

1083
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 9: that will work moving forward. So that's what I'm saying

1084
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:55,399
Speaker 9: is I'm encouraged and I'm optimistic now from that game,

1085
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:57,600
Speaker 9: even though it was a really disappointing loss.

1086
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:58,480
Speaker 1: All right, thanks Sean.

1087
00:47:59,080 --> 00:48:00,919
Speaker 8: I just don't know where they are optimism comes from.

1088
00:48:00,920 --> 00:48:03,080
Speaker 8: I'm sorry. I don't mean to be so negative, but like,

1089
00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:08,840
Speaker 8: what what what have they shown that they're gonna especially

1090
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:10,520
Speaker 8: at the quarterback, that he's going to take like some

1091
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:16,600
Speaker 8: giant lead forward. I just I don't know where that defensively,

1092
00:48:16,640 --> 00:48:17,120
Speaker 8: I get it.

1093
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 6: Like everything Sean said about the defense, I would agree

1094
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,319
Speaker 6: with him and I and I get the optimism there.

1095
00:48:24,320 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 6: The other part, like, I think we're talking about this

1096
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 6: team like it's a little engine that could and I

1097
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 6: don't think we should be in that situation four years

1098
00:48:31,320 --> 00:48:35,080
Speaker 6: into the rebuilt process. I like the fact that some

1099
00:48:35,160 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 6: young guys got their feet wet the other day. But Mike,

1100
00:48:38,120 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 6: this is something you harp on a lot, and I

1101
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 6: agree with you. That'd be great if you retain you know,

1102
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,719
Speaker 6: the almost two dozen guys that are going to be

1103
00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:49,840
Speaker 6: coming up. You know, you know where's Douga going to

1104
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,799
Speaker 6: be next year? Where's or when You're going to be

1105
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 6: next year? You know, whiz gonna be. I mean, I'm

1106
00:48:54,239 --> 00:48:56,319
Speaker 6: not advocating that they all return. I don't think that's

1107
00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,600
Speaker 6: the right way to go either. Don't fall in love

1108
00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:01,440
Speaker 6: with all of your your own players. But if all

1109
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,360
Speaker 6: of those guys are gone and then you know, okay,

1110
00:49:04,400 --> 00:49:06,880
Speaker 6: great because we have Keyon White and Marte Mapu, but

1111
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:10,279
Speaker 6: only for three more years after this, Like that's not

1112
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 6: like then you're constantly in this thing and the age

1113
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 6: of the roster, to me is I don't care like

1114
00:49:17,000 --> 00:49:18,760
Speaker 6: everybody says how young they are because they have eleven

1115
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 6: rookies on the on the team. Well, I saw a

1116
00:49:22,520 --> 00:49:24,719
Speaker 6: stat that like in terms of average age, they're like

1117
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:25,560
Speaker 6: twenty sixth.

1118
00:49:25,719 --> 00:49:27,480
Speaker 1: Oh, they got a bunch of guys that skew that,

1119
00:49:28,400 --> 00:49:29,400
Speaker 1: Like who Slater?

1120
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:30,320
Speaker 6: Who else?

1121
00:49:30,719 --> 00:49:31,360
Speaker 1: Other people?

1122
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 6: I mean with with you cut the thirty eight year

1123
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:37,440
Speaker 6: old kicker. That was the thing. Last year you had

1124
00:49:37,480 --> 00:49:40,920
Speaker 6: Slater and Folk. Now you just have Slater. One guy

1125
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 6: ain't skewing.

1126
00:49:41,560 --> 00:49:43,960
Speaker 3: Fifty three And that's the front of the line. And

1127
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 3: I mean, I it's lots of dissect there. I mean,

1128
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 3: I think I said it to Evan during the game.

1129
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:50,759
Speaker 3: I'm like, so you're gonna kind of play dugger at

1130
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:52,919
Speaker 3: free safety now, so he's not going to really have

1131
00:49:53,280 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 3: the play making that he did.

1132
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:56,919
Speaker 6: I'm not even getting into I'm not even getting into

1133
00:49:56,920 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 6: the dark place that you're going with.

1134
00:49:58,320 --> 00:50:00,640
Speaker 3: So you know, you're kind of setting it up as

1135
00:50:00,680 --> 00:50:03,400
Speaker 3: he's not going to have a statistically productive year. He

1136
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:04,320
Speaker 3: might be very value.

1137
00:50:04,320 --> 00:50:06,160
Speaker 6: We're going to try to keep his market value down.

1138
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 6: I'm not even going to that dark.

1139
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm not saying that it's and I'm not

1140
00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 3: saying that it's that it's you know, purposeful. I mean

1141
00:50:12,680 --> 00:50:15,480
Speaker 3: I think that he probably is their best option. And

1142
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 3: and you know they spun the dialogue like you know,

1143
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,360
Speaker 3: Pepper's had a nice play playing free safety, Like you

1144
00:50:19,360 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: know Moles would be back there a little bit, but

1145
00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:24,640
Speaker 3: the same thing he played twenty four snaps, you know,

1146
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,000
Speaker 3: Like I mean, I know, it's a mobile quarterback and

1147
00:50:27,040 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 3: you know it's not the drop back passer.

1148
00:50:28,680 --> 00:50:32,280
Speaker 6: And that's that's what a guy like that, that's that's athletic.

1149
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,520
Speaker 3: Well, certainly a guy that you know, had what twelve

1150
00:50:34,600 --> 00:50:36,560
Speaker 3: sacks last year and is going to be a free agent,

1151
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:38,520
Speaker 3: is probably going to have a demand as a pass rusher.

1152
00:50:38,560 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 3: And you know he's still just a role player in

1153
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:43,400
Speaker 3: this defense. And I just I wonder how much they

1154
00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,239
Speaker 3: value him. And then you got two rookie guards who

1155
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:48,879
Speaker 3: were both getting experience right out of the gate. What's

1156
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:49,960
Speaker 3: that going to do for Michael and win?

1157
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:50,040
Speaker 4: You?

1158
00:50:50,120 --> 00:50:51,239
Speaker 3: I mean, if you really what if? If?

1159
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:51,759
Speaker 6: If so?

1160
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:53,719
Speaker 3: I mean, Evan, I think you wrote you like so

1161
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,920
Speaker 3: better as a as a guard. I mean I think

1162
00:50:55,960 --> 00:50:57,880
Speaker 3: you look better too. He wasn't great, but I mean.

1163
00:50:57,960 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 8: Had some struggles, but but he was better.

1164
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: But you got some you have something to.

1165
00:51:01,360 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 5: Work right back.

1166
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, they gave up a lot of pressures to be sure,

1167
00:51:05,800 --> 00:51:09,359
Speaker 6: but they tried, so Fred, Yeah, they passed fifty eight

1168
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 6: six fifty eight.

1169
00:51:11,080 --> 00:51:14,040
Speaker 8: He dropped dive fifty eight times with penalties and stuff

1170
00:51:14,040 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 8: like that.

1171
00:51:14,360 --> 00:51:16,880
Speaker 6: Okay, Yeah, so I mean they get up a I

1172
00:51:16,880 --> 00:51:18,920
Speaker 6: think I saw something from PFF. I don't know if

1173
00:51:18,920 --> 00:51:20,760
Speaker 6: it's accurate that they was about a third of the place,

1174
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,279
Speaker 6: about third of the pass player. They got pressure one,

1175
00:51:23,640 --> 00:51:26,359
Speaker 6: which is a pretty I mean that's a pretty significant total.

1176
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 6: But to Fred's point, it didn't break down the offense. Yeah,

1177
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 6: when Fred, you said that off off the at the top,

1178
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:34,440
Speaker 6: they did. They did a great job of getting the

1179
00:51:34,440 --> 00:51:37,840
Speaker 6: ball out really quickly. Mac took some hits, to be sure,

1180
00:51:37,880 --> 00:51:40,120
Speaker 6: and some of those hits that he took, he delivered

1181
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 6: pretty good passes on. Yeah, in fairness to him.

1182
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,680
Speaker 3: And that's why I wonder some of you know, not

1183
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,160
Speaker 3: all of it, but some of you know when you

1184
00:51:46,160 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 3: have a bad offensive line, you're gonna throw a lot

1185
00:51:48,080 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 3: of screen passes. You know you're gonna tempt an aggressive

1186
00:51:50,320 --> 00:51:53,520
Speaker 3: front four with screen passes. And were there too money? Probably,

1187
00:51:53,600 --> 00:51:56,120
Speaker 3: but you know, I just think that probably an underrated

1188
00:51:56,160 --> 00:51:57,880
Speaker 3: element of all this is just they had a lot

1189
00:51:57,920 --> 00:51:59,719
Speaker 3: of stuff they were working around here in this first game,

1190
00:51:59,719 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 3: and that's not an excuse. They might have to work

1191
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 3: around it this week too. But I do think that

1192
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,439
Speaker 3: there were at least some early elements you could point

1193
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:07,520
Speaker 3: to that that could see.

1194
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 6: Sixteen targets for running backs in this game.

1195
00:52:10,440 --> 00:52:14,239
Speaker 8: Yeah, past yeah, the blocking. I thought pass protection wise

1196
00:52:14,280 --> 00:52:16,720
Speaker 8: they were at thirty one percent. Was there the pressure

1197
00:52:16,800 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 8: rate against and anywhere between thirty and thirty five you're

1198
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:22,399
Speaker 8: like in the danger zone, but you're not really it's

1199
00:52:22,440 --> 00:52:24,279
Speaker 8: not danger I don't think it was. I don't think

1200
00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 8: it's the Travis thirty five plus is like, okay, this

1201
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,319
Speaker 8: is this is a bad game, Like this is a problem.

1202
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:32,799
Speaker 8: You know, Jalen Hurds has at forty two percent, so

1203
00:52:32,800 --> 00:52:35,839
Speaker 8: the defense got after Jalen hurts. But I would just say,

1204
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 8: you know, the biggest thing I thought was that the

1205
00:52:38,800 --> 00:52:41,319
Speaker 8: individual pressure is added up because how many times they

1206
00:52:41,400 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 8: dropped back. So I don't really like hurt them that

1207
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,320
Speaker 8: much for that. The run game, though, was was a mess.

1208
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,120
Speaker 8: They had a lot of trouble. Now, this group that

1209
00:52:49,160 --> 00:52:52,080
Speaker 8: hasn't worked together a lot, so when you start talking

1210
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 8: about working combination blocks and timing and rhythm in the

1211
00:52:55,520 --> 00:52:58,440
Speaker 8: run game. And you have Soe who played tackle the

1212
00:52:58,680 --> 00:53:01,040
Speaker 8: entire summer and now he's playing guard and you have

1213
00:53:01,320 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 8: all these different moving parts. That's part of it. But

1214
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 8: the run game was really worried something that the past

1215
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,480
Speaker 8: protection was better than I expected.

1216
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:08,719
Speaker 1: Christians in La.

1217
00:53:08,840 --> 00:53:09,239
Speaker 6: What's up?

1218
00:53:09,280 --> 00:53:19,760
Speaker 1: Christian? Christian? Christian in La? Going once twice sold? Let's

1219
00:53:19,760 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 1: see what this mouse is stuff? John is in Louisiana.

1220
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:25,160
Speaker 1: What's up? John?

1221
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 10: Hey? What's up?

1222
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:27,000
Speaker 4: Y'all?

1223
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:27,200
Speaker 1: Hey?

1224
00:53:27,320 --> 00:53:29,200
Speaker 3: Hey John?

1225
00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 11: I'm I just feel like y'all giving Mack a little

1226
00:53:32,239 --> 00:53:34,279
Speaker 11: too much on the shoulders. I mean, can we talk

1227
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:36,319
Speaker 11: about the play calling towards the end of the game.

1228
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 11: I mean, and in the ball off is on the

1229
00:53:40,080 --> 00:53:41,080
Speaker 11: what third and three?

1230
00:53:41,440 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: Terrible call?

1231
00:53:42,719 --> 00:53:44,359
Speaker 6: I agree with you, John, I didn't like that call

1232
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:44,680
Speaker 6: at all.

1233
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:46,080
Speaker 10: Yeah.

1234
00:53:46,080 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 11: And I think even though we know Mac doesn't have

1235
00:53:48,880 --> 00:53:50,440
Speaker 11: the ability to get out of the pocket, it is like,

1236
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:53,399
Speaker 11: let's I don't like the third and lungs that. Then

1237
00:53:53,520 --> 00:53:55,759
Speaker 11: now Mac has to be extra, you know what I mean?

1238
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 11: I like to be com from anywhere third and four

1239
00:53:58,120 --> 00:54:00,640
Speaker 11: thirty three and stuff like that. But my last question

1240
00:54:00,680 --> 00:54:02,680
Speaker 11: is how do you feel about discussion on both us.

1241
00:54:02,680 --> 00:54:03,520
Speaker 11: I don't think we did some.

1242
00:54:03,520 --> 00:54:06,520
Speaker 1: Good about special teams.

1243
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:08,080
Speaker 6: Little bit of a mixed mixed bag.

1244
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:09,840
Speaker 1: Thanks John for the.

1245
00:54:09,600 --> 00:54:13,800
Speaker 6: Patriots special teams. I thought Marcus Jones had a terrific

1246
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,239
Speaker 6: punt return in his first attempt. Then I think he

1247
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 6: lost his mind for the rest of the game, right.

1248
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:20,480
Speaker 6: I thought he made some very questions every time now

1249
00:54:20,600 --> 00:54:24,200
Speaker 6: very questionable decisions, fumbled one of them fortunately went out

1250
00:54:24,200 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 6: of bounds. Ty Montgomery had one really good kick return,

1251
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 6: so that would be the positive stuff. The two plus returns,

1252
00:54:32,120 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 6: I thought Barringer was a little inconsistent, bad touchback on

1253
00:54:36,120 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 6: one of them. Another one where I thought he had

1254
00:54:38,160 --> 00:54:39,839
Speaker 6: a chance for a plus fifty. I think he got

1255
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:43,560
Speaker 6: to the like eighteen, which okay, goes down is inside

1256
00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:48,959
Speaker 6: the twenty, but not a great kick. They lost on

1257
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 6: one of Barringer's really long punts. They lost containing gave

1258
00:54:53,040 --> 00:54:54,719
Speaker 6: like a thirty yard return the other way. I think

1259
00:54:54,719 --> 00:54:58,879
Speaker 6: it was like twenty five thirty yard, So mixed bag.

1260
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,879
Speaker 6: I didn't think it was bad, it wasn't last year,

1261
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:03,840
Speaker 6: but I thought it was a little mixed bag.

1262
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:06,759
Speaker 8: Would you guys think, Yeah, it sounds about right, Yeah,

1263
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 8: I didn't think it wasn't anything that they like. It

1264
00:55:09,880 --> 00:55:12,839
Speaker 8: wasn't a game changing difference, you know.

1265
00:55:12,800 --> 00:55:14,279
Speaker 1: Correct me if I'm wrong. I didn't see a lot

1266
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:16,880
Speaker 1: of flags on the Patriots on special teams, which.

1267
00:55:16,719 --> 00:55:18,879
Speaker 6: I don't think there were any real flags on special teams.

1268
00:55:18,920 --> 00:55:21,600
Speaker 1: I think there was one, No, was there. Yeah, I

1269
00:55:21,640 --> 00:55:26,799
Speaker 1: think there was a hold maybe on I think there

1270
00:55:26,840 --> 00:55:29,560
Speaker 1: was at least one. But anyway, but we saw a

1271
00:55:29,600 --> 00:55:32,120
Speaker 1: lot of that last year. We didn't see that. Yeah.

1272
00:55:32,200 --> 00:55:34,280
Speaker 8: The one the one nipick I had about the special

1273
00:55:34,320 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 8: teams was they got to do a better job blocking

1274
00:55:36,760 --> 00:55:40,480
Speaker 8: the gunners on the punt team. I'm not really sure.

1275
00:55:40,520 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 8: They have this new thing that they were doing where

1276
00:55:42,800 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 8: they had Slater in the middle and he was at

1277
00:55:45,600 --> 00:55:47,600
Speaker 8: like about eight to ten yards, and then they had

1278
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:49,480
Speaker 8: Jabriel as the up guy, which they've done in the

1279
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 8: past with like Ammondola and Edelman. So they have the

1280
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 8: short guy they received the short punt, and then the

1281
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 8: Marcus Jones all the way back deep. But when you

1282
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,279
Speaker 8: have three guys in the middle of the field like that,

1283
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,280
Speaker 8: you're one on one on the outside on the gunners.

1284
00:56:02,560 --> 00:56:04,920
Speaker 8: So a couple of the times that Marcus Jones field

1285
00:56:04,920 --> 00:56:06,839
Speaker 8: to the ball and you know, took some of those hits.

1286
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 8: I agree with Paul that I think he was trying

1287
00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 8: to make a play. I think, you know, he knows

1288
00:56:10,560 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 8: he's one of the more explosive guys on the team,

1289
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 8: and he's trying to make something happen. But I wonder

1290
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 8: if maybe they start to double team the gunners.

1291
00:56:18,320 --> 00:56:20,120
Speaker 1: I remember saying, where's the vice guys?

1292
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:23,879
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, And I just thought, and I know why.

1293
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:27,279
Speaker 6: Evan's absolutely right, that's why Marcus Jones is choosing to

1294
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:30,440
Speaker 6: make those plays. But man, they were fortunate not to

1295
00:56:30,480 --> 00:56:32,840
Speaker 6: lose the ball at all, and I think there was

1296
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:33,359
Speaker 6: two of them.

1297
00:56:33,440 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, Daniel Wright saying, can someone explain to me what

1298
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:39,319
Speaker 1: Bill was thinking to go on fourth down rather than

1299
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:41,719
Speaker 1: kick the field goal. I was at the game and

1300
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:44,240
Speaker 1: when they went for it, everyone was shaking their heads

1301
00:56:44,280 --> 00:56:46,959
Speaker 1: and figured it would cost us, and sure enough it did.

1302
00:56:47,840 --> 00:56:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean it seems like, well, I mean there's

1303
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 3: a couple different things we're talking about, right, Like to

1304
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Speaker 3: midfield goals.

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Speaker 8: I mean there was four they went for it four times,

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00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:57,759
Speaker 8: so there's a bunch of different scenarios to work through.

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Speaker 8: But the one at the beginning in the fourth quarter,

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Speaker 8: think there's about nine minutes to go, and they went

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00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:05,319
Speaker 8: for it on four down, down eight, and I that one,

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00:57:05,360 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 8: to me was like what are you doing? Like you

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00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,120
Speaker 8: make it a five point game? Now a touchdown wins

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00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,200
Speaker 8: the game. Instead the Eagles get the ball back and

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Speaker 8: go up eleven. I hated it, and because to me, like,

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Speaker 8: I don't know how you guys feel, but like eight

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00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,800
Speaker 8: points to me is a two score game because you

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00:57:18,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 8: need the touchdown and you need the two point conversion.

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00:57:21,360 --> 00:57:23,360
Speaker 8: So you need to make two things happen in order

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00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:25,600
Speaker 8: to get up at eight point. So I always love

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00:57:26,560 --> 00:57:29,120
Speaker 8: if you're down eight, like, eliminate the two point conversion,

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Speaker 8: Like it's easier to kick a field goal, I think

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00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 8: sometimes than it is to get the two point conversion.

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Speaker 8: So that's the one that I would.

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Speaker 1: That's a good one. That's a good way to think

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Speaker 1: of it.

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Speaker 6: I don't look at it that way. I mean Evan

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Speaker 6: and I arrive at the same spot in terms of

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00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:47,120
Speaker 6: our thoughts on the To me, eight is still you

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00:57:47,120 --> 00:57:48,880
Speaker 6: know it's one. All you need is one score, one

1329
00:57:48,920 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 6: possession to get eight. I get the the thing, but

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Speaker 6: I there's a couple of things here. That really bothered me,

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00:57:56,400 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 6: and you know I won't. I know, I've been through

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00:57:58,600 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 6: this with you guys, so I'll do the abridge version.

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00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:05,439
Speaker 6: The first they had fourth and eight and they could

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00:58:05,480 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 6: have had a fifty four yard field goal, and they

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Speaker 6: chose to go for it. Okay, that to me is

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Speaker 6: at least understandable. It's the fourth quarter of an eight

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00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 6: point game, and you don't want your rookie kickers first

1338
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 6: ever NFL attempt. I think Evan, you said this to

1339
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:22,320
Speaker 6: me during the game, to be a fifty four yard attempt,

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00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:24,960
Speaker 6: you know, in rainy conditions. Even if it wasn't raining

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00:58:25,240 --> 00:58:28,360
Speaker 6: per se at the time, it was obviously sloppy. So

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00:58:28,480 --> 00:58:30,920
Speaker 6: maybe that's why he passed that one up, got bailed

1343
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,880
Speaker 6: out by an unbelievable Hunter Henry one handed catchy. But

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00:58:35,000 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 6: you have fourth and three from the seventeen with ten

1345
00:58:37,600 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 6: minutes left in the game. I don't think that one's defensible.

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Speaker 6: He what really bugged me was the postgame talk where

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00:58:46,720 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 6: he said we didn't know how many more times we

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00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,640
Speaker 6: were going to be down there, which is understandable because

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00:58:51,640 --> 00:58:53,120
Speaker 6: you don't expect in the last ten minutes of the

1350
00:58:53,160 --> 00:58:55,160
Speaker 6: game to be inside the red zone two more times,

1351
00:58:55,240 --> 00:58:59,800
Speaker 6: but at least once, but once you could have expected

1352
00:58:59,840 --> 00:59:03,400
Speaker 6: to be down there. And I think that what ended

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00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:05,480
Speaker 6: up happening is he put it in a situation where

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Speaker 6: the Eagles could kind of close the game out with

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Speaker 6: one drive, and that's exactly what happened. The Eagles took

1356
00:59:12,520 --> 00:59:15,120
Speaker 6: the ball after that failed fourth down, drove down the field,

1357
00:59:15,240 --> 00:59:17,080
Speaker 6: kicked a field goal, and made it a two score game.

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Speaker 6: Now you fortunately had another chance because the Eagles turned

1359
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,919
Speaker 6: it over their last two times that they had the ball,

1360
00:59:23,560 --> 00:59:28,120
Speaker 6: and you couldn't certainly couldn't rely on that. But when

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00:59:28,120 --> 00:59:30,280
Speaker 6: Bill said there was six minutes left, that bugged me

1362
00:59:31,120 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 6: because either he was not remembering the situation, which is

1363
00:59:35,480 --> 00:59:39,760
Speaker 6: not good, or he was purposely trying to be cute

1364
00:59:39,800 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 6: there and see if he could get one past everybody.

1365
00:59:42,600 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 6: And either way, I didn't like it. And I also

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00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 6: thought on fourth and seventeen, you have to punt after

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00:59:48,240 --> 00:59:51,640
Speaker 6: the Jabrill Peppers force fumble. Patriots ended up getting sacked

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Speaker 6: on that drive. Then they take a delay a game.

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Speaker 6: It's fourth and seventeen from the forty eight yard line,

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Speaker 6: punt the ball pin them. It makes it easier to

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Speaker 6: play defense again. He got b out by his defense,

1372
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Speaker 6: which forced to four and out. But you again, do

1373
01:00:04,160 --> 01:00:05,520
Speaker 6: you think they were going to go for fourth down

1374
01:00:05,520 --> 01:00:09,240
Speaker 6: from their own fifteen if you punted right? So you

1375
01:00:09,280 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 6: put the you make your defense's job even harder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 8: I saw my question to Bill, and I because I

1378
01:00:15,200 --> 01:00:17,080
Speaker 8: the postgame thing bubbed me a little bit too. I

1379
01:00:17,080 --> 01:00:19,560
Speaker 8: was like, that's it's not you're not that's not the right,

1380
01:00:19,680 --> 01:00:21,280
Speaker 8: That's not what the question was about. The question was

1381
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Speaker 8: about the nine minute mark why he didn't kick the

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01:00:23,520 --> 01:00:28,200
Speaker 8: field goal, And I just wonder. I asked him a

1383
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Speaker 8: few years ago about using analytics with those types of things,

1384
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 8: and he completely scoffed at any sort of math being involved.

1385
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Speaker 8: Is it analytics? Like who's responsible now for being in

1386
01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:44,240
Speaker 8: Bill's ear and saying, this is what our chart, whatever

1387
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:46,360
Speaker 8: it is that they use, whether it's a chart or

1388
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,040
Speaker 8: it's what if it's just him, If it's just Bill's gut,

1389
01:00:50,080 --> 01:00:52,520
Speaker 8: then that concerns me. I don't need it to be

1390
01:00:52,720 --> 01:00:56,240
Speaker 8: like some nerds win probability calculator necessarily, but there has

1391
01:00:56,280 --> 01:00:58,600
Speaker 8: to be like a method to the madness. And if

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Speaker 8: he's just going based off of feel, then that's concerning.

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Speaker 6: And so and just to clarify because there's been a

1394
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:08,080
Speaker 6: lot of talk about the time on third and three

1395
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 6: from the seventeen They snapped the ball with ten minutes

1396
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,920
Speaker 6: and thirteen seconds left. That's a long way from six minutes.

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 6: That's a long way from six minutes. Like everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 6: it was like nine minutes late. He was off by No,

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Speaker 6: he was off by four minutes. By the time they

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01:01:25,280 --> 01:01:27,240
Speaker 6: snapped the ball on fourth down. There was still nine

1401
01:01:27,280 --> 01:01:31,800
Speaker 6: to thirty nine left, not six minutes. So either he

1402
01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:36,120
Speaker 6: was talking about something else or when was the lost.

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Speaker 8: When was the because they went for it on fourth

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01:01:38,280 --> 01:01:42,440
Speaker 8: down again after that and doing for it on fourth

1405
01:01:42,480 --> 01:01:43,840
Speaker 8: and seventeen, right, that was after that?

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01:01:43,960 --> 01:01:45,760
Speaker 6: Yeah, oh yeah, the fourth and seventeen was later in

1407
01:01:45,800 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 6: the game, so that was much.

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01:01:46,720 --> 01:01:48,960
Speaker 8: There was no fourth down that maybe could have been

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01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:51,640
Speaker 8: at the six minute mark that he was confusing with, yeah,

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01:01:51,640 --> 01:01:54,720
Speaker 8: because there was four of them, So like I, you

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01:01:54,760 --> 01:01:55,520
Speaker 8: weren't really.

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Speaker 6: Fourth and seventeen happened with two twenty four left in

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Speaker 6: the game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, Well, we'll got a lot to talk

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Speaker 1: about still, but Paul's foods here, so we're going to

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Speaker 6: One thing I am sure of and that will never

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Speaker 6: change is that I am a Patriot for life.

1442
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Speaker 5: And there's a give up the middle of a fixed

1443
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:33,160
Speaker 5: preech through the left side across at twenty five with

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01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:33,640
Speaker 5: a cut.

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01:03:33,520 --> 01:03:37,040
Speaker 10: To the outside cast mid field, tackled by Mafu Gaywell

1446
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:40,080
Speaker 10: finished strong last year for the Eagles, had a terrific postseason,

1447
01:03:40,240 --> 01:03:43,040
Speaker 10: and he's got Philly in a first down in New

1448
01:03:43,040 --> 01:03:47,440
Speaker 10: England territory. After that run, that hurts with another first

1449
01:03:47,480 --> 01:03:50,240
Speaker 10: intent from a Patriots twenty two.

1450
01:03:50,360 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, sent somebody here.

1451
01:03:52,280 --> 01:03:54,680
Speaker 10: He works with two receivers right q left, including a

1452
01:03:54,720 --> 01:03:57,000
Speaker 10: ton on the wing, a thing to the inside.

1453
01:03:57,080 --> 01:03:57,680
Speaker 5: Hurts on the run.

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01:03:57,800 --> 01:03:59,560
Speaker 10: Well, you got it, cost Well, and he spills in

1455
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 10: front of the I'm coming Bentley. He goes down for

1456
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Speaker 10: the loss.

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01:04:02,440 --> 01:04:03,439
Speaker 5: Back up the twenty four.

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01:04:03,640 --> 01:04:05,440
Speaker 13: If they're gonna do a lot of these RPOs and

1459
01:04:05,480 --> 01:04:09,480
Speaker 13: had decision makings on Jalen Hirts Etcentia awakens, breaking somebody

1460
01:04:09,480 --> 01:04:11,840
Speaker 13: from the backside, so that time's Shayalen Mills down in

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Speaker 13: the box.

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01:04:12,640 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 5: He blocks off that right hand chases him downhill. Nowhere

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01:04:15,600 --> 01:04:20,080
Speaker 5: to go for hers make him make quicker decisions his nap.

1464
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Speaker 10: He's a pressure by Judin pick get to the quarterback,

1465
01:04:23,240 --> 01:04:25,000
Speaker 10: put a sack at the fifteen.

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Speaker 5: The first of twenty twenty three for mat you don

1467
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Speaker 5: Philadelphia blue lit line call. Here the right tackle didn't

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Speaker 5: extend at all.

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Speaker 1: He came down with the cord.

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Speaker 13: So whatever the call was from me from Travis Kelcey

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Speaker 13: in the middle case at Kelsey, his brother made the

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Speaker 13: call and it squeezed the tackle down, which free Judah on.

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Speaker 5: Us, Kennedy said.

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Speaker 10: Jones takes the step format rush good to the nearsid ball,

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01:04:53,520 --> 01:04:56,240
Speaker 10: letters off my hands afore and picks off slave las

1476
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Speaker 10: it along the nearside mass at fifty across the point

1477
01:04:58,760 --> 01:05:02,240
Speaker 10: as caught white past Johns. Goodbye to the twenty fifteen

1478
01:05:02,280 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 10: to ten. You're gonna turn in a high step into

1479
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 10: the end.

1480
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:08,680
Speaker 5: Zone for a pick six. It's a bath throw you

1481
01:05:08,800 --> 01:05:11,760
Speaker 5: got all day. He had all day.

1482
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:14,280
Speaker 13: You're able to step up in the pocket and he

1483
01:05:14,320 --> 01:05:16,880
Speaker 13: throws a high ball to KP Kendrick Bourne.

1484
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:19,360
Speaker 5: When it's raining the way it is now, the ball

1485
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,800
Speaker 5: is slick. You gotta have that ball low.

1486
01:05:22,120 --> 01:05:24,440
Speaker 13: That's the second high pass the game off the deflection

1487
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,760
Speaker 13: and it's pick six, great return for a seventy yarder,

1488
01:05:29,400 --> 01:05:30,440
Speaker 13: and now you're fighting.

1489
01:05:30,200 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 5: Up pill again.

1490
01:05:33,160 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 10: Instead, it's a Philly first and goal to go just

1491
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 10: outside the five. Late in the first snap to hurtz

1492
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 10: Design roll to the right, looking at the end zone,

1493
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 10: throws on the go low throw to the sideline and

1494
01:05:43,720 --> 01:05:47,720
Speaker 10: that passes cockper a touchdown jail it. It hurts connects to

1495
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Speaker 10: Davon die Smith.

1496
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:57,680
Speaker 13: To any mistakes, penalties and turnovers turnovers for touchdowns.

1497
01:05:59,320 --> 01:06:01,720
Speaker 10: Elliott with an other kickoff hid to the goal line

1498
01:06:01,720 --> 01:06:04,040
Speaker 10: handled by Montgomery, runs it left side of the ten

1499
01:06:04,120 --> 01:06:06,800
Speaker 10: tige across the twenty a sprinted twenty five thirty Montgomery

1500
01:06:06,800 --> 01:06:09,200
Speaker 10: outside the forty yard line and Montgomery shut down of

1501
01:06:09,240 --> 01:06:12,320
Speaker 10: Allens along the far side in front of the Patriots bench,

1502
01:06:12,880 --> 01:06:15,600
Speaker 10: Ringo with a shove out as the last man back

1503
01:06:15,640 --> 01:06:18,160
Speaker 10: for Philadelphia at the New England forty four.

1504
01:06:18,560 --> 01:06:22,160
Speaker 13: There ain't no flags, all right, You do something with

1505
01:06:22,200 --> 01:06:25,720
Speaker 13: this now, sixteen zip get the ball in midfield.

1506
01:06:26,000 --> 01:06:26,960
Speaker 5: Can't have a three and out.

1507
01:06:27,560 --> 01:06:29,920
Speaker 10: Now the Patriots stare at a third and ten down

1508
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 10: sixteen to nothing. Here of the first quarter, two O

1509
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:34,720
Speaker 10: three to go, Stevens and chips to the right of Jones.

1510
01:06:34,760 --> 01:06:38,040
Speaker 10: It takes the snap, Eagles rush four pocket collapsing, Jones

1511
01:06:38,160 --> 01:06:40,960
Speaker 10: rolls out left being chased. He throws along the far side.

1512
01:06:41,000 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 10: The pass broken up and again a dangerous throat well

1513
01:06:44,520 --> 01:06:48,600
Speaker 10: covered along that far side. Three nine get ship starting

1514
01:06:48,640 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 10: safety for the Eagles with a breakup. Here come the

1515
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:54,560
Speaker 10: boo birds get a buzz kill and Fox crows above

1516
01:06:54,600 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 10: the excitement with Tom Brady on hand watching this game.

1517
01:06:57,360 --> 01:07:00,840
Speaker 10: Now who the owner's booth with his family next to

1518
01:07:00,920 --> 01:07:02,080
Speaker 10: the crass that's.

1519
01:07:01,880 --> 01:07:05,040
Speaker 13: Getting dressed up, putting on cologne, little uh, little deodorant.

1520
01:07:05,080 --> 01:07:06,600
Speaker 13: Going to pick the girl up at the house and

1521
01:07:06,600 --> 01:07:08,120
Speaker 13: the thors a lot and she's not home.

1522
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:12,800
Speaker 10: Must kill a second A goal to go from outside

1523
01:07:12,840 --> 01:07:14,640
Speaker 10: the Philadelphia eight left hash marks.

1524
01:07:14,680 --> 01:07:16,560
Speaker 5: It came ins into the back field as Jones takes

1525
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 5: the snap. He's cracking. He throws at left corner and

1526
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:25,840
Speaker 5: the hand up Henri putch down. Patrians, there you go,

1527
01:07:26,040 --> 01:07:30,120
Speaker 5: captain to captain. First tucks down of the year where

1528
01:07:30,200 --> 01:07:34,120
Speaker 5: Jones and Henry. It's a good quick to sice it

1529
01:07:34,240 --> 01:07:37,400
Speaker 5: thrown by Joones. He didn't labor he got it. It's

1530
01:07:37,440 --> 01:07:38,200
Speaker 5: off the back foot.

1531
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:40,840
Speaker 13: It's a double sea level left, but it's a nine

1532
01:07:40,920 --> 01:07:42,760
Speaker 13: yard touchdown.

1533
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:44,800
Speaker 5: He takes the snap, he stands and he stands in.

1534
01:07:44,960 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: He fires toward the end of the.

1535
01:07:48,200 --> 01:07:53,400
Speaker 13: Patrians a laser by Jones to Kendrick Board.

1536
01:07:55,360 --> 01:08:00,360
Speaker 5: That's the mac Jones from two years ago. Holy folks,

1537
01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:01,200
Speaker 5: he had mustard on.

1538
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 13: That one, nineteen yard dagger off the skinny.

1539
01:08:06,960 --> 01:08:09,200
Speaker 5: Tell you what, Kendrick Born can run the skinny pose.

1540
01:08:09,240 --> 01:08:12,240
Speaker 5: We haven't seen it since Dallas two years ago. That's

1541
01:08:12,280 --> 01:08:15,640
Speaker 5: the one he creased it on. And man, it's a

1542
01:08:15,680 --> 01:08:19,240
Speaker 5: bat bang Port knew he had it. Split the coverage.

1543
01:08:19,880 --> 01:08:20,839
Speaker 5: We got a game.

1544
01:08:22,720 --> 01:08:27,400
Speaker 10: Fourth down and eat from the Philadelphia thirty six New England.

1545
01:08:27,400 --> 01:08:30,760
Speaker 5: Isn't he all Donica Blue? And defense is playing well?

1546
01:08:30,920 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 5: Why Hurts has not been lighted up? Defense feels pretty good.

1547
01:08:34,000 --> 01:08:36,400
Speaker 10: I like the factor golf court here, Jones steps forward

1548
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:39,000
Speaker 10: to set the protections, pointing with his left hand and

1549
01:08:39,080 --> 01:08:42,000
Speaker 10: he motions Kenry to the left with his right hand.

1550
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:44,439
Speaker 10: He extends the hands. He takes the snap, he stands in,

1551
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:45,240
Speaker 10: He kill the punches.

1552
01:08:45,479 --> 01:08:46,400
Speaker 5: He throws a quick.

1553
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 13: Want to catch on one roun A penny folds across,

1554
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 13: but twenty.

1555
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:57,000
Speaker 5: Five with a perst down. Oh Man pointed.

1556
01:08:56,760 --> 01:08:58,880
Speaker 1: Hunter, Henry, save you right here because.

1557
01:08:58,640 --> 01:09:01,640
Speaker 5: This is a tight window. Oh Jones held on to it.

1558
01:09:01,920 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 13: Henry gets hit off the route, catches it off the

1559
01:09:04,520 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 13: bigger Tips rills it into the Patriots to go fast.

1560
01:09:07,920 --> 01:09:11,120
Speaker 5: Now some hesitation. Kausiki started off the far side line

1561
01:09:11,120 --> 01:09:12,639
Speaker 5: for the Patriots. He's called back.

1562
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 10: No sign of the field goal unit here with a

1563
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:18,479
Speaker 10: fourth down and a long three coming up.

1564
01:09:18,520 --> 01:09:21,400
Speaker 5: The ball on the right hatch of the Eagles seventeen.

1565
01:09:21,360 --> 01:09:23,280
Speaker 10: The already one for once tells you a goal looking

1566
01:09:23,320 --> 01:09:27,080
Speaker 10: for poet chair Elliott to the right of Joe. Three

1567
01:09:27,120 --> 01:09:30,920
Speaker 10: receivers dispersed Wye to the left, one receiver to the

1568
01:09:31,000 --> 01:09:34,280
Speaker 10: right to snap to Matt Jones back in the pocket,

1569
01:09:34,520 --> 01:09:35,840
Speaker 10: rolling try to keep.

1570
01:09:35,680 --> 01:09:36,120
Speaker 5: The play alive.

1571
01:09:36,200 --> 01:09:39,160
Speaker 10: He's hit Clo with the ball incomplete to the right

1572
01:09:39,200 --> 01:09:43,640
Speaker 10: flat for Zee. Gilliot just reddit got to the quarterback.

1573
01:09:43,800 --> 01:09:47,519
Speaker 5: Kendrick Horn was there and the Patriots will turn it

1574
01:09:47,560 --> 01:09:50,680
Speaker 5: over on downs. Horne was there, Mac couldn't find.

1575
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:55,040
Speaker 10: Him still snap to herts Playfa dropping back pressured by

1576
01:09:55,080 --> 01:10:01,040
Speaker 10: Gonzalins fins down Kid a sack for the rookie. He

1577
01:10:01,160 --> 01:10:03,479
Speaker 10: came on the corner blitz and dropped bass in the

1578
01:10:03,520 --> 01:10:07,360
Speaker 10: forty eight streaky corner blitz. This is an opportunity for

1579
01:10:07,439 --> 01:10:10,880
Speaker 10: the Eagles placekicker, the veteran Jake Elliott, who followed Stephen

1580
01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:13,839
Speaker 10: Gostkowski at Memphis down his seventh season.

1581
01:10:14,479 --> 01:10:15,760
Speaker 5: To make it a two score game.

1582
01:10:16,040 --> 01:10:17,680
Speaker 10: Going to be a fifty one yard try from an

1583
01:10:17,680 --> 01:10:21,160
Speaker 10: air hash Lovado's staff handled by Sipos. The kick is

1584
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:24,720
Speaker 10: lifted to the uprights right down the middle to make

1585
01:10:24,760 --> 01:10:30,280
Speaker 10: it twenty five fourteen. Max Netson throws to this.

1586
01:10:30,560 --> 01:10:35,040
Speaker 5: Head by board, his second puts down of the day.

1587
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,120
Speaker 5: On the headline is he cuts down.

1588
01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:41,120
Speaker 14: With a throw by Joe.

1589
01:10:41,120 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 5: Told you this kick could be a weapon. Don't tell

1590
01:10:43,520 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 5: me Mac Jones can't throw seeds. Matt Jones trying to

1591
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 5: catch his breath.

1592
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:54,080
Speaker 10: With Henry, Smith, Schuster and Born spread out light side left,

1593
01:10:55,800 --> 01:10:58,840
Speaker 10: Kasiki along with Booty to the right.

1594
01:10:58,960 --> 01:11:00,960
Speaker 5: The snap is back on the twelve. Mac goes into

1595
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:01,400
Speaker 5: the end zone.

1596
01:11:01,400 --> 01:11:05,360
Speaker 10: It's going to be dropped, nearly intercepted at the goal line.

1597
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:08,920
Speaker 10: They had Hunter, Henry and Gisiki along with Smith Schuster

1598
01:11:09,080 --> 01:11:09,439
Speaker 10: all in.

1599
01:11:09,439 --> 01:11:12,519
Speaker 5: The same vicinity. You gotta careful there too, because that's

1600
01:11:12,520 --> 01:11:14,360
Speaker 5: the kind of play that can be returned.

1601
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:15,120
Speaker 6: For a score from Philadelphia.

1602
01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 13: They had like a fluster route there, because there's no

1603
01:11:17,080 --> 01:11:19,040
Speaker 13: way that both guys end up in the same spot.

1604
01:11:19,080 --> 01:11:22,599
Speaker 5: One's supposed to continue, the other one supposed to undercut it.

1605
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:24,799
Speaker 10: After Hurts, he's going to run through the left side,

1606
01:11:24,880 --> 01:11:26,040
Speaker 10: a gaping hole, and he's.

1607
01:11:27,520 --> 01:11:33,160
Speaker 5: Gonzala. The Patriots have it a fumble recovery at the

1608
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:34,160
Speaker 5: twenty one.

1609
01:11:34,320 --> 01:11:35,200
Speaker 15: What a the call?

1610
01:11:36,360 --> 01:11:37,120
Speaker 5: What are you doing?

1611
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:42,320
Speaker 10: And now fourth down and twelve of the Patriots after

1612
01:11:42,320 --> 01:11:44,600
Speaker 10: the fumble forced out Hurts two twenty four to go,

1613
01:11:44,840 --> 01:11:48,000
Speaker 10: twenty five twenty Cats still have all three timeouts left.

1614
01:11:48,000 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 5: Plush with the doomnute warning Elliot to the right at Jones,

1615
01:11:50,439 --> 01:11:52,040
Speaker 5: Matt takes the steps timeout.

1616
01:11:51,640 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 6: Tickets kick would a fourth down mom a.

1617
01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,559
Speaker 5: Late timeout just before the statut we're.

1618
01:11:58,439 --> 01:12:03,120
Speaker 6: Good game offense, it's year penalty.

1619
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:04,479
Speaker 5: It's still fourth.

1620
01:12:04,280 --> 01:12:06,960
Speaker 10: Down, I thought as the back Jets dropped the flag.

1621
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:09,200
Speaker 10: Now we see the flag drop to the turp of

1622
01:12:09,200 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 10: the delay game. I thought Philadelphia was calling the timeouts

1623
01:12:11,520 --> 01:12:14,680
Speaker 10: at two and so now the Patriots are looking at

1624
01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:15,719
Speaker 10: a fourth down.

1625
01:12:17,200 --> 01:12:19,240
Speaker 5: At seventeen. Stap his back.

1626
01:12:19,320 --> 01:12:22,320
Speaker 10: Jones stands in slides right, moves up, throws it right

1627
01:12:22,400 --> 01:12:23,120
Speaker 10: Henry there.

1628
01:12:23,040 --> 01:12:24,599
Speaker 16: Make no, he can't make the catch.

1629
01:12:24,680 --> 01:12:26,960
Speaker 10: Throw his hands at the thirty five and he likely

1630
01:12:27,000 --> 01:12:29,519
Speaker 10: would have been tackled short of the line to gain.

1631
01:12:30,560 --> 01:12:31,639
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, it's still not good.

1632
01:12:33,520 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 5: It's still not good. I mean, you're wor's the fuck

1633
01:12:35,960 --> 01:12:38,120
Speaker 5: you got to get to the sticks or four seventeen

1634
01:12:38,120 --> 01:12:39,080
Speaker 5: you're gonna get to the sticks.

1635
01:12:41,040 --> 01:12:43,600
Speaker 10: This is the game right here, Philadelphia, twenty five the

1636
01:12:43,720 --> 01:12:46,240
Speaker 10: Patriots twenty exactly two.

1637
01:12:46,160 --> 01:12:46,720
Speaker 5: Minutes to go.

1638
01:12:47,200 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 10: This guy in the backfield of the left of hurts

1639
01:12:49,479 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 10: one receiver left three to the right wive side of

1640
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:52,839
Speaker 10: the field.

1641
01:12:53,280 --> 01:12:54,920
Speaker 5: Jalen Hurt leans forward.

1642
01:12:54,800 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 10: Stops the right foot, does the deep knee bet he

1643
01:12:57,800 --> 01:13:01,599
Speaker 10: that snap of the line. Hurts again. Now he takes

1644
01:13:01,600 --> 01:13:03,280
Speaker 10: the snap, he's looking to throw. A slugging across the

1645
01:13:03,280 --> 01:13:07,719
Speaker 10: middle down dive into function by Gunzellas breaks the past

1646
01:13:07,800 --> 01:13:08,920
Speaker 10: crow for Smith.

1647
01:13:10,400 --> 01:13:14,679
Speaker 5: And the Patriots, with one more opportunity.

1648
01:13:15,720 --> 01:13:18,280
Speaker 10: Dons the Jones format rush Max Stanzi In throws it

1649
01:13:18,360 --> 01:13:18,640
Speaker 10: left for.

1650
01:13:18,640 --> 01:13:20,800
Speaker 5: Foot on it pitch batl over in their sideline.

1651
01:13:20,880 --> 01:13:22,400
Speaker 1: What they say, he's in bounds?

1652
01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:28,760
Speaker 5: Hey, perfect throwing on target. Hend On time to get

1653
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:31,240
Speaker 5: up and get a play, let's go get up and snapping.

1654
01:13:31,320 --> 01:13:32,360
Speaker 6: Eagles are out of time out.

1655
01:13:32,400 --> 01:13:35,840
Speaker 10: But remember reviews initiated from Tabooth, So I don't think

1656
01:13:35,920 --> 01:13:37,160
Speaker 10: that left book got in bound.

1657
01:13:38,120 --> 01:13:40,080
Speaker 5: And that's the second time in the field.

1658
01:13:39,800 --> 01:13:43,479
Speaker 10: Of a complete at pask is under further reviews. The

1659
01:13:43,560 --> 01:13:46,160
Speaker 10: second time today is that the young receiver, the rookie

1660
01:13:46,200 --> 01:13:50,400
Speaker 10: from LSU, has been unable to get that second foot down.

1661
01:13:51,760 --> 01:13:54,639
Speaker 8: The receiver did not get the second foot in bounds.

1662
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:59,439
Speaker 13: The pass is incomplete, it's a turnover on downs, it's

1663
01:13:59,479 --> 01:13:59,920
Speaker 13: first down.

1664
01:14:00,120 --> 01:14:08,400
Speaker 10: Philadelphia victory formation, Hurts takes the stats, drops to the

1665
01:14:08,479 --> 01:14:10,839
Speaker 10: right knee, and the final twenty four seconds will elapse.

1666
01:14:10,880 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 10: In this season opener, and the defending NFC champions survived

1667
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,240
Speaker 10: as the Patriots stumbled out of the game, fell behind.

1668
01:14:20,080 --> 01:14:24,960
Speaker 5: Sixteen nothing, staged a late rally, gave.

1669
01:14:24,840 --> 01:14:30,120
Speaker 10: Themselves various opportunities to overtake the Eagles.

1670
01:14:31,320 --> 01:14:34,960
Speaker 5: In the second half, and again they come up short.

1671
01:14:35,560 --> 01:14:36,280
Speaker 5: Twenty five.

1672
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:45,000
Speaker 1: Patriots, unfiltered. It is brought to you by the Massachusetts

1673
01:14:45,080 --> 01:14:48,520
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1674
01:14:48,640 --> 01:14:51,679
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1675
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1676
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1677
01:14:59,120 --> 01:15:05,000
Speaker 1: at visit m A. All right, we're back. That was

1678
01:15:05,080 --> 01:15:08,559
Speaker 1: the mashup. Who did the mashup this week? Matt Lapan

1679
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:14,599
Speaker 1: did the mashup? So Zoe had some interesting observations during

1680
01:15:14,640 --> 01:15:15,000
Speaker 1: the game.

1681
01:15:15,280 --> 01:15:17,680
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I saw a lot of things live. I

1682
01:15:17,800 --> 01:15:18,320
Speaker 8: was impressed.

1683
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:19,719
Speaker 3: That's the NFL quarterback.

1684
01:15:19,800 --> 01:15:22,000
Speaker 8: You should see a lot of things things.

1685
01:15:22,240 --> 01:15:24,479
Speaker 1: Eight five five Pats five hundred is the ace ticket

1686
01:15:24,520 --> 01:15:28,080
Speaker 1: hotline web radio at Patriots dot com as the email address.

1687
01:15:28,760 --> 01:15:32,040
Speaker 1: Rick and Dallas says, I watched the game on Sunday

1688
01:15:32,040 --> 01:15:35,639
Speaker 1: and walked away feeling good. There they held on all

1689
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: game with one of the best teams in the league.

1690
01:15:37,600 --> 01:15:40,280
Speaker 1: I went to work yesterday and proudly defended my team

1691
01:15:40,360 --> 01:15:43,760
Speaker 1: and how optimistic I felt as the season progresses. I

1692
01:15:43,880 --> 01:15:46,240
Speaker 1: even came up with a scenario where the Patriots could

1693
01:15:46,280 --> 01:15:49,840
Speaker 1: actually be in first place by week three. I excitedly

1694
01:15:50,000 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: clicked on the Patriots app at eleven am my time,

1695
01:15:53,200 --> 01:15:57,080
Speaker 1: looking forward to another great episode of Patriots Unfiltered. Reality

1696
01:15:57,240 --> 01:16:01,400
Speaker 1: is no fun. I get that everything is saying is accurate.

1697
01:16:01,520 --> 01:16:04,439
Speaker 1: I even get that the insights are probably correct, but

1698
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:07,320
Speaker 1: I'm going to keep living in my fantasy world. Everything

1699
01:16:07,439 --> 01:16:11,040
Speaker 1: is fine. The defense looked great. The offense looked improved.

1700
01:16:11,400 --> 01:16:13,400
Speaker 1: This is going to be a good season. If I

1701
01:16:13,520 --> 01:16:16,200
Speaker 1: keep saying it with my eyes shut, eventually it'll be

1702
01:16:16,320 --> 01:16:17,639
Speaker 1: true good.

1703
01:16:17,960 --> 01:16:20,280
Speaker 8: I think that that both things can be true. The

1704
01:16:20,400 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 8: defense did look great. I thought the defense looked great.

1705
01:16:22,560 --> 01:16:25,840
Speaker 8: The offense did look better. I just think it's back

1706
01:16:25,920 --> 01:16:30,600
Speaker 8: to Paul's point of just consistency and just overall ceiling, like,

1707
01:16:30,920 --> 01:16:34,960
Speaker 8: like is better? Can you do this for more than

1708
01:16:35,040 --> 01:16:37,080
Speaker 8: just one quarter like offensively?

1709
01:16:37,360 --> 01:16:41,400
Speaker 6: And that's to me what you know, I would pump

1710
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 6: the brakes from the defense. The offense was disimprovement. I mean,

1711
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,120
Speaker 6: did it look better at times, Yeah, But I think

1712
01:16:48,560 --> 01:16:50,640
Speaker 6: overall it was very similar to what we saw a

1713
01:16:50,720 --> 01:16:51,720
Speaker 6: lot of times last year.

1714
01:16:52,000 --> 01:16:53,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think I mean, for me, I

1715
01:16:54,000 --> 01:16:55,960
Speaker 3: think you can tell that they are all kind of

1716
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:58,960
Speaker 3: more on the same page. Now, Like execution wasn't there?

1717
01:16:59,040 --> 01:17:00,879
Speaker 6: You like it better? So and they throw a touchdown

1718
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,880
Speaker 6: pass when two guys are standing in the same spot.

1719
01:17:02,960 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 6: Matt Patricia didn't call the play, I don't know, and

1720
01:17:05,000 --> 01:17:07,240
Speaker 6: that's what happened. But that's like the two guys in

1721
01:17:07,280 --> 01:17:07,880
Speaker 6: the same spot.

1722
01:17:07,920 --> 01:17:09,519
Speaker 3: I know, but that's just become like I feel like

1723
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:11,639
Speaker 3: that's a talk radio buzz thing of like two guys

1724
01:17:11,680 --> 01:17:13,080
Speaker 3: are too close to each other, Like I don't know

1725
01:17:13,120 --> 01:17:14,880
Speaker 3: what the route spacing is in front of you.

1726
01:17:15,320 --> 01:17:17,760
Speaker 8: No, No, I agree with you to an extent that

1727
01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,559
Speaker 8: the spacing thing does get overblown a little bit. They

1728
01:17:21,640 --> 01:17:24,240
Speaker 8: actually ran the same exact playout to the other side

1729
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:27,280
Speaker 8: on Kendrick Bourne's touchdown later in the game and the

1730
01:17:27,360 --> 01:17:29,760
Speaker 8: two receivers ended up in the same spot again. Yeah,

1731
01:17:29,920 --> 01:17:33,160
Speaker 8: So I don't know if that's just the design of

1732
01:17:33,160 --> 01:17:34,280
Speaker 8: the growing.

1733
01:17:34,800 --> 01:17:37,639
Speaker 3: Growing pains in a functional offense versus nobody has any

1734
01:17:37,680 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 3: idea what they're doing and everyone's just kind of freelancing,

1735
01:17:39,960 --> 01:17:41,880
Speaker 3: you know. Like that's where I see the difference. Like

1736
01:17:41,920 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 3: I don't know, maybe I'm wrong.

1737
01:17:43,680 --> 01:17:46,160
Speaker 8: They're oute running with the spacing and all of the

1738
01:17:46,920 --> 01:17:50,160
Speaker 8: was significantly better than last year. Like I look at

1739
01:17:50,360 --> 01:17:57,920
Speaker 8: the Kendrick Bourne's first touchdown, That entire play was the scheme,

1740
01:17:58,320 --> 01:18:01,360
Speaker 8: the bunch formation, the way the routes were run, the

1741
01:18:01,479 --> 01:18:04,719
Speaker 8: timing of it, like all of that was the spacing,

1742
01:18:04,960 --> 01:18:08,599
Speaker 8: Like that was pretty like that was a lot better

1743
01:18:08,680 --> 01:18:10,360
Speaker 8: than anything they've put on film last year.

1744
01:18:10,400 --> 01:18:12,639
Speaker 1: Andy in Cleveland says Paul if I heard him right,

1745
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,120
Speaker 1: I don't think Belichick meant to imply they were six

1746
01:18:15,200 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: minutes on the clock when he went for it. I

1747
01:18:17,000 --> 01:18:19,759
Speaker 1: think he means he went for it because he didn't

1748
01:18:19,760 --> 01:18:22,320
Speaker 1: realize at the time that the Eagles were going to

1749
01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:25,640
Speaker 1: give us more chances with six minutes left. Unless he

1750
01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:29,040
Speaker 1: literally meant what I'm saying. But Slyly said it weird,

1751
01:18:29,520 --> 01:18:31,840
Speaker 1: so some people might forget the situation and think he

1752
01:18:31,960 --> 01:18:32,679
Speaker 1: meant your version.

1753
01:18:32,800 --> 01:18:35,519
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that people have tried to make that

1754
01:18:35,760 --> 01:18:38,600
Speaker 6: argument that you just made. I do not think that

1755
01:18:38,680 --> 01:18:41,720
Speaker 6: that's what he meant. I think he was trying to

1756
01:18:42,120 --> 01:18:43,160
Speaker 6: sort of downplay it.

1757
01:18:43,520 --> 01:18:47,200
Speaker 1: Becka and Walpole, I don't understand the negativity about the offense.

1758
01:18:47,320 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 1: Two horrible mistakes in awful weather. They were dead, but

1759
01:18:50,520 --> 01:18:52,840
Speaker 1: clawed back and had an opportunity to win if Bill

1760
01:18:52,920 --> 01:18:55,439
Speaker 1: took a field goal. Last year, they lost a lot

1761
01:18:55,520 --> 01:18:58,000
Speaker 1: of winnable games and were there at the end to

1762
01:18:58,080 --> 01:19:00,400
Speaker 1: get into the playoffs. People seem to forget at the

1763
01:19:00,560 --> 01:19:03,200
Speaker 1: Vikings game, which was another winnable game. They did all

1764
01:19:03,280 --> 01:19:06,640
Speaker 1: of this with a defensive coordinator calling the shots. They

1765
01:19:06,680 --> 01:19:09,759
Speaker 1: have better offensive weapons, especially if they use the weapons

1766
01:19:09,800 --> 01:19:14,080
Speaker 1: they just chose to ignore last year in a capable coordinator.

1767
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,280
Speaker 1: I think people are really counting them out when they

1768
01:19:17,280 --> 01:19:20,639
Speaker 1: shouldn't be. I listened to both Jets and Bill's local

1769
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: radio this morning, both saying it's a two horse race

1770
01:19:24,160 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: in the East. Nobody is even considering the Patriots, which

1771
01:19:27,520 --> 01:19:30,280
Speaker 1: I think is a mistake. Defense is great too. I'm

1772
01:19:30,400 --> 01:19:31,799
Speaker 1: ordering my key on white Jersey.

1773
01:19:31,920 --> 01:19:32,560
Speaker 5: Huh. There you go.

1774
01:19:33,439 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 1: It is a two horse race, but it's the Patriots

1775
01:19:35,479 --> 01:19:36,920
Speaker 1: and the Miami Dolphins.

1776
01:19:37,200 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 8: For the wants us to respond to that one. There's

1777
01:19:43,680 --> 01:19:48,240
Speaker 8: the beginning part of the email. I don't remember exactly

1778
01:19:48,680 --> 01:19:52,280
Speaker 8: what was said, but I just I don't know. I

1779
01:19:52,560 --> 01:19:55,360
Speaker 8: guess I just don't share in the optimism because for some.

1780
01:19:55,520 --> 01:19:58,720
Speaker 6: Reason, everybody is fixating on the two turnovers and they're

1781
01:19:58,760 --> 01:20:04,280
Speaker 6: forgetting the numerous three and outs, right, Like, who do

1782
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 6: you think played better offensively on Sunday? The Eagles are

1783
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:07,519
Speaker 6: the Patriots?

1784
01:20:07,800 --> 01:20:08,200
Speaker 8: Eagles?

1785
01:20:09,080 --> 01:20:12,640
Speaker 6: Who do you think play better offensively? Offensively?

1786
01:20:12,840 --> 01:20:14,280
Speaker 8: I think the Patriots might have played better.

1787
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:16,040
Speaker 6: I think the Patriots played better too. Do you think

1788
01:20:16,040 --> 01:20:18,120
Speaker 6: the Patriots played better than the Eagles. Who do you

1789
01:20:18,160 --> 01:20:18,920
Speaker 6: think hunted more?

1790
01:20:20,240 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 8: Probably the Patriots. Yeah, yeah, Well, it's also like the

1791
01:20:24,439 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 8: last two drives have to matter too, right, like, and

1792
01:20:26,560 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 8: the first five half to matter too.

1793
01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 4: Like.

1794
01:20:28,680 --> 01:20:31,960
Speaker 6: They had a great and I don't mean good. They

1795
01:20:32,040 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 6: had a great stretch in the last half of the

1796
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:37,280
Speaker 6: second quarter where they went boom boom and it was

1797
01:20:37,320 --> 01:20:40,080
Speaker 6: like wow, I think, except when they did nothing the

1798
01:20:40,200 --> 01:20:41,200
Speaker 6: remainder of the game.

1799
01:20:41,280 --> 01:20:43,160
Speaker 1: Well, if the offense played great, they would have won

1800
01:20:43,200 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: the game. It obviously didn't play great, but I just

1801
01:20:45,479 --> 01:20:47,520
Speaker 1: saw signs of improvement. I'm encouraged.

1802
01:20:48,000 --> 01:20:51,120
Speaker 6: That's fine. That I think is a very balanced way

1803
01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:55,120
Speaker 6: of looking at it. Yeah, this improved weapons. When the

1804
01:20:55,200 --> 01:20:57,439
Speaker 6: guy you let go had nine for eighty one and

1805
01:20:57,479 --> 01:21:00,479
Speaker 6: two touchdowns to get replaced by I think this might

1806
01:21:00,520 --> 01:21:03,360
Speaker 6: be a good time to serve up Evan by Juju

1807
01:21:03,439 --> 01:21:05,320
Speaker 6: Smith Schuster like.

1808
01:21:05,680 --> 01:21:09,200
Speaker 4: I also think this show is called Patriots Unfiltered, and

1809
01:21:09,280 --> 01:21:12,799
Speaker 4: if you wanted fluff, it would be called Patriots Fluff filtered,

1810
01:21:12,840 --> 01:21:15,880
Speaker 4: but it's not. It's unfiltered, and so therefore I think

1811
01:21:15,920 --> 01:21:18,760
Speaker 4: that people are everyone's entitled to their own opinions.

1812
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,639
Speaker 1: In this time of transition. With this franchise. We owe

1813
01:21:21,680 --> 01:21:24,480
Speaker 1: it to fans to be honest what we honestly.

1814
01:21:24,160 --> 01:21:27,000
Speaker 6: Feel, and I would say that I honestly feel there

1815
01:21:27,040 --> 01:21:29,280
Speaker 6: were a lot of things to be encouraged about offensively

1816
01:21:29,320 --> 01:21:34,559
Speaker 6: on Sunday. I do I honestly feel that. However, don't

1817
01:21:34,800 --> 01:21:37,760
Speaker 6: use last year and put the bar down there as

1818
01:21:37,800 --> 01:21:41,960
Speaker 6: your barometer. Use the NFL as a barometer. Did they

1819
01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:44,000
Speaker 6: play good offense for the NFL?

1820
01:21:45,720 --> 01:21:49,960
Speaker 1: Probably not, Kyle and Pembroke, Evan, the optimism comes from

1821
01:21:50,080 --> 01:21:52,760
Speaker 1: our QB throwing three hundred yards and three touchdowns on

1822
01:21:52,840 --> 01:21:55,680
Speaker 1: the rare day. On the rare day, our running game

1823
01:21:55,800 --> 01:21:58,400
Speaker 1: was shut down. Can you say in good confidence that

1824
01:21:58,520 --> 01:22:01,960
Speaker 1: Stevenson will constantly be held to two yards to carry?

1825
01:22:02,040 --> 01:22:04,400
Speaker 1: Can you say in good confidence that you don't think

1826
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:07,080
Speaker 1: the offense will continue to improve under O'Brien as it

1827
01:22:07,160 --> 01:22:07,760
Speaker 1: gets more time.

1828
01:22:07,880 --> 01:22:10,120
Speaker 6: Can you say in confidence that mac Jones will only

1829
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:12,160
Speaker 6: turn it over once and throwing the ball fifty four

1830
01:22:12,240 --> 01:22:12,680
Speaker 6: times and it.

1831
01:22:12,720 --> 01:22:16,160
Speaker 1: Continues to get healthier. I usually like your takes, but

1832
01:22:16,320 --> 01:22:18,479
Speaker 1: this Debbie Downer stuff is rare for you.

1833
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:20,920
Speaker 8: I don't I don't even think. I don't even think

1834
01:22:20,960 --> 01:22:22,120
Speaker 8: what Evan said was being.

1835
01:22:22,040 --> 01:22:24,000
Speaker 6: Like we're wondering where the static was.

1836
01:22:24,160 --> 01:22:24,519
Speaker 1: I got it.

1837
01:22:24,600 --> 01:22:24,720
Speaker 5: Now.

1838
01:22:25,240 --> 01:22:28,360
Speaker 4: I think Evan's being real. I mean, this offense, if

1839
01:22:28,400 --> 01:22:30,360
Speaker 4: it keeps going down this road, could end up being

1840
01:22:30,400 --> 01:22:33,760
Speaker 4: really predictable by week six. So I think that Evan

1841
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,280
Speaker 4: is just you know, prepared everyone for what could potentially come.

1842
01:22:37,560 --> 01:22:41,439
Speaker 8: I just I you can take your your three hundred

1843
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 8: yards and do you know what with it? Because it

1844
01:22:43,600 --> 01:22:48,559
Speaker 8: means nothing. It means nothing. How many points did they score?

1845
01:22:49,520 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 8: What did they do when it mattered most? Those are

1846
01:22:51,920 --> 01:22:54,040
Speaker 8: the two things that mattered to me. How he could

1847
01:22:54,080 --> 01:22:57,040
Speaker 8: throw for five hundred yards and it wouldn't matter to

1848
01:22:57,120 --> 01:22:59,320
Speaker 8: me if he had two chances to win the game

1849
01:22:59,360 --> 01:23:00,960
Speaker 8: in the end failed both time.

1850
01:23:01,240 --> 01:23:03,320
Speaker 6: What do you think the zeitgeist? Because I know you

1851
01:23:03,479 --> 01:23:07,000
Speaker 6: like to listen to the zeitgeist. Thanks the New England

1852
01:23:07,120 --> 01:23:08,160
Speaker 6: zeitgeist thinks.

1853
01:23:07,960 --> 01:23:10,360
Speaker 1: Of tour overrated?

1854
01:23:10,560 --> 01:23:10,720
Speaker 6: Right.

1855
01:23:10,920 --> 01:23:11,599
Speaker 8: He threw for four.

1856
01:23:11,560 --> 01:23:13,680
Speaker 6: Hundred and sixty six yards and three touchdowns. I know,

1857
01:23:14,000 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 6: so you think he stinks. When I say you, I

1858
01:23:16,400 --> 01:23:19,720
Speaker 6: don't mean Fred, I mean the zeitgeist. They think two

1859
01:23:19,800 --> 01:23:22,439
Speaker 6: of stinks. He threw for four to sixty six and

1860
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:26,080
Speaker 6: lady last minute touchdown drive to win a game with

1861
01:23:26,240 --> 01:23:29,640
Speaker 6: thirty six points and you think he stinks. But I'm

1862
01:23:29,680 --> 01:23:32,360
Speaker 6: supposed to just stop everything because Mac threw for three

1863
01:23:32,439 --> 01:23:35,679
Speaker 6: hundred yards and scored twenty points and lost Bennett Brooklyn

1864
01:23:35,760 --> 01:23:36,479
Speaker 6: right trying to die.

1865
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:38,479
Speaker 1: I was at the Zinci game, and some folks are

1866
01:23:38,520 --> 01:23:41,599
Speaker 1: comparing Sunday's loss to that, in that the Patriots were

1867
01:23:41,680 --> 01:23:44,599
Speaker 1: right there but couldn't get the job done. I see

1868
01:23:44,640 --> 01:23:46,680
Speaker 1: it differently. If you made a list of all the

1869
01:23:46,760 --> 01:23:49,679
Speaker 1: issues we've had in recent years, can't stop mobile quarterback,

1870
01:23:49,720 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 1: can't limit elite receivers, lack of sideline to sideline speed,

1871
01:23:53,320 --> 01:23:56,040
Speaker 1: no pass rush, complete lack of organization on offense, no

1872
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:59,479
Speaker 1: pass rush last year, born in the dodge house, no

1873
01:23:59,600 --> 01:24:02,160
Speaker 1: tight end production, questions about the old line. It seems

1874
01:24:02,240 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 1: like we've made progress in most of these areas. The

1875
01:24:05,080 --> 01:24:08,080
Speaker 1: game also reminded me of some of those early Bledsoell games.

1876
01:24:08,160 --> 01:24:11,200
Speaker 1: Far from perfect, but you could see the start of something.

1877
01:24:12,280 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 1: This is not the start.

1878
01:24:13,640 --> 01:24:18,519
Speaker 8: So if you just replace Bloodsoee Mac with Tom Brady and.

1879
01:24:18,960 --> 01:24:21,160
Speaker 1: It's the start, it's a new start. I think think

1880
01:24:21,240 --> 01:24:23,000
Speaker 1: after last year it's a new start.

1881
01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:24,200
Speaker 6: Well, then you're gonna have to do it with a

1882
01:24:24,240 --> 01:24:26,280
Speaker 6: whole new cast. Of characters because you're gonna lose a

1883
01:24:26,280 --> 01:24:28,200
Speaker 6: lot of these pieces Fred right, I know, but.

1884
01:24:28,560 --> 01:24:32,040
Speaker 1: It's a new start in that, like it's a real offense.

1885
01:24:31,800 --> 01:24:38,280
Speaker 6: Henry Bourne KASICKI Trent Brown. When you you have a

1886
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:42,800
Speaker 6: chance to lose half your offense, like this is this

1887
01:24:42,960 --> 01:24:46,320
Speaker 6: should be the where you want to be, not where

1888
01:24:46,360 --> 01:24:46,960
Speaker 6: you're going.

1889
01:24:48,080 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: Should be, but it isn't. So we have to show

1890
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:51,800
Speaker 1: with what we have, no I know.

1891
01:24:51,960 --> 01:24:53,320
Speaker 6: So you try to make the best of it. But

1892
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,360
Speaker 6: like this whole like new beginning thing is not accurate.

1893
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:57,360
Speaker 1: It's a new beginning.

1894
01:24:57,479 --> 01:24:59,519
Speaker 6: They have like twenty something pending free agents.

1895
01:24:59,640 --> 01:25:02,719
Speaker 8: Okay, but we're also in year three of Mac Jones

1896
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,840
Speaker 8: being the quarterback of the offense. And like the silver

1897
01:25:06,000 --> 01:25:08,880
Speaker 8: linings in the in the oh, well they were close

1898
01:25:09,040 --> 01:25:10,960
Speaker 8: or oh they you know, they did some things well,

1899
01:25:11,120 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 8: like at some point those that has to I mean,

1900
01:25:13,760 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 8: the victories are getting old.

1901
01:25:15,880 --> 01:25:17,640
Speaker 3: I'm gonna pop over to the defense though, and I

1902
01:25:18,240 --> 01:25:20,280
Speaker 3: feel really good about the defense. I feel like this

1903
01:25:20,439 --> 01:25:21,880
Speaker 3: is a little bit of a new beginning. I think

1904
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:25,120
Speaker 3: with Christian Barmore kind of elevating playing early down snaps.

1905
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:27,240
Speaker 3: We all saw what key On White did, which was

1906
01:25:27,439 --> 01:25:29,120
Speaker 3: just kind of an appetizer. I feel like for what

1907
01:25:29,160 --> 01:25:31,800
Speaker 3: he's going to be able to do. You know, I

1908
01:25:32,280 --> 01:25:34,960
Speaker 3: just think Christians also, those are these are the kind

1909
01:25:35,000 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 3: of players that you need to build an elite defense.

1910
01:25:37,120 --> 01:25:39,439
Speaker 3: And these are three rookies that all got in there

1911
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,680
Speaker 3: right out from the get go. So you know, you're

1912
01:25:41,720 --> 01:25:44,280
Speaker 3: seeing the older defensive lineman, which I think skew some

1913
01:25:44,360 --> 01:25:46,160
Speaker 3: of what we talk about with those guys are kind

1914
01:25:46,200 --> 01:25:48,160
Speaker 3: of pulling back a little bit. Certainly Gotschaw still in

1915
01:25:48,200 --> 01:25:50,280
Speaker 3: the middle of it, but you know, you're starting to

1916
01:25:50,320 --> 01:25:52,360
Speaker 3: see key on White, You're starting to see more Julyani Tavai,

1917
01:25:52,439 --> 01:25:55,080
Speaker 3: who I like as a player. So I I think,

1918
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:56,880
Speaker 3: I think, you know you don't like them.

1919
01:25:57,040 --> 01:26:01,320
Speaker 6: I don't, but I can't do it. Is a promising guy.

1920
01:26:01,400 --> 01:26:05,640
Speaker 6: I definitely agree with that. I would absolutely and this

1921
01:26:05,760 --> 01:26:07,400
Speaker 6: is my whole thing on the defense. This is what

1922
01:26:07,479 --> 01:26:10,720
Speaker 6: I just wrote about two for this morning. This is

1923
01:26:10,760 --> 01:26:13,000
Speaker 6: the part that I would agree with. All the optimism

1924
01:26:13,120 --> 01:26:17,519
Speaker 6: with the fans is like people said, like someone I

1925
01:26:17,600 --> 01:26:19,080
Speaker 6: think just wrote in and said it was similar to

1926
01:26:19,080 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 6: the Cincinnati game, And I don't think this had anything

1927
01:26:21,360 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 6: like the Cincinnati game except for the way it ended.

1928
01:26:24,320 --> 01:26:27,439
Speaker 6: They got dominated for sixty minutes by the Bengals, and

1929
01:26:27,520 --> 01:26:31,000
Speaker 6: the Bengals just kept handing them opportunities to do things

1930
01:26:32,040 --> 01:26:35,800
Speaker 6: picks like the offense couldn't do a thing. It was

1931
01:26:36,080 --> 01:26:38,479
Speaker 6: four hundred and twenty some odd yards of offense to

1932
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 6: two hundred. It was twenty eight first down Like the

1933
01:26:41,200 --> 01:26:46,360
Speaker 6: Bengals completely controlled the game, but they kept making mistakes

1934
01:26:46,400 --> 01:26:48,799
Speaker 6: that allowed the Patriots tot That's not what happened on Sunday.

1935
01:26:49,240 --> 01:26:53,040
Speaker 6: The Patriots controlled the Eagles offense for sixty minutes. That

1936
01:26:53,200 --> 01:26:55,360
Speaker 6: to me is a huge difference. I haven't seen that.

1937
01:26:56,200 --> 01:26:57,679
Speaker 6: I haven't seen that since Brady left.

1938
01:26:58,200 --> 01:27:02,559
Speaker 8: It's a really good defense. I beat Lane Johnson twice

1939
01:27:03,120 --> 01:27:05,160
Speaker 8: and that is the best right tackle in football. So

1940
01:27:05,280 --> 01:27:06,759
Speaker 8: the fact that he was able to beat.

1941
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:10,840
Speaker 6: I think you could say he was you know what

1942
01:27:11,000 --> 01:27:12,120
Speaker 6: what I what stood out to me?

1943
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:13,600
Speaker 1: It's just his athleticism.

1944
01:27:13,760 --> 01:27:17,120
Speaker 3: When he has the star, change direction and chase a guy.

1945
01:27:17,600 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 3: He can move for a big dude, and that jumps

1946
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:20,280
Speaker 3: out to me.

1947
01:27:20,360 --> 01:27:20,720
Speaker 15: What he so?

1948
01:27:20,840 --> 01:27:22,560
Speaker 3: I just what do they got planned for him? I

1949
01:27:22,600 --> 01:27:25,000
Speaker 3: asked Mayo a little bit about him today, but I

1950
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:27,240
Speaker 3: I just think I don't want to say the sky's

1951
01:27:27,280 --> 01:27:29,360
Speaker 3: the limit, But I think he could be a very

1952
01:27:29,439 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 3: very good.

1953
01:27:29,800 --> 01:27:32,280
Speaker 8: Time that player where he puts my lot on skates,

1954
01:27:32,360 --> 01:27:35,000
Speaker 8: walks him right back into Hurts. Then Hurts breaks the

1955
01:27:35,080 --> 01:27:36,840
Speaker 8: pocket and he just puts his foot in the ground

1956
01:27:36,880 --> 01:27:39,320
Speaker 8: and chases him into the sideline. And I was like, whoa,

1957
01:27:39,640 --> 01:27:42,479
Speaker 8: Like that's that's a freak like that. You can't do that.

1958
01:27:42,640 --> 01:27:46,400
Speaker 6: With the tackling, The tackling was really really good, especially

1959
01:27:46,439 --> 01:27:47,280
Speaker 6: for early season.

1960
01:27:47,760 --> 01:27:50,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, and Bill Bill mentioned that too, he was pleased

1961
01:27:50,280 --> 01:27:50,960
Speaker 1: with the tackling.

1962
01:27:51,040 --> 01:27:51,240
Speaker 5: Yeah.

1963
01:27:51,840 --> 01:27:55,160
Speaker 1: Pat Naguam says, I value and respect all of your opinions,

1964
01:27:55,320 --> 01:27:59,080
Speaker 1: but Evan, I have to respectfully disagree with you regarding

1965
01:27:59,160 --> 01:28:02,040
Speaker 1: this offense having to have everything perfect in order for

1966
01:28:02,160 --> 01:28:05,000
Speaker 1: it to be effective. How about they just don't dig

1967
01:28:05,080 --> 01:28:07,439
Speaker 1: themselves into a big hole that they can't get out of.

1968
01:28:07,880 --> 01:28:09,240
Speaker 1: Mac was right after the game.

1969
01:28:09,160 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 8: How many times are you going to date? Not date?

1970
01:28:11,400 --> 01:28:13,320
Speaker 6: Like that's the definition of perfect right.

1971
01:28:13,400 --> 01:28:18,679
Speaker 8: Also, the thing is is that stuff happens in sports.

1972
01:28:19,200 --> 01:28:23,120
Speaker 8: You make mistakes, you fall behind, you give up a

1973
01:28:23,200 --> 01:28:25,439
Speaker 8: pick six, you go three and out for the first

1974
01:28:25,560 --> 01:28:28,880
Speaker 8: like this. That's that's football. And if you have a

1975
01:28:29,080 --> 01:28:32,640
Speaker 8: team that can only play from ahead when things are

1976
01:28:32,680 --> 01:28:35,360
Speaker 8: going well for you, and the game script follows a

1977
01:28:35,439 --> 01:28:37,960
Speaker 8: certain script, and that's the only way that you can win.

1978
01:28:38,040 --> 01:28:41,000
Speaker 8: And that's problematic, Like you have to be able to

1979
01:28:41,120 --> 01:28:44,080
Speaker 8: overcome mistakes, and I feel like we always just forget

1980
01:28:44,160 --> 01:28:46,960
Speaker 8: that over twenty years, we think that everything was just

1981
01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:50,479
Speaker 8: perfect all the time. They overcame mistakes. Brady would throw

1982
01:28:50,560 --> 01:28:51,840
Speaker 8: picks and they would overcome it.

1983
01:28:51,960 --> 01:28:55,040
Speaker 3: Twenty to three. Are there other teams like this in

1984
01:28:55,120 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 3: the NFL? Like we've been kind of watching the same script.

1985
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,400
Speaker 3: We've been talking about for a couple of years now,

1986
01:28:58,479 --> 01:29:00,960
Speaker 3: that the Patriots are a good team that beats the

1987
01:29:01,000 --> 01:29:03,960
Speaker 3: bad teams. They play a good team and things don't

1988
01:29:03,960 --> 01:29:06,880
Speaker 3: go right, they struggle. I'm I can't, off the top

1989
01:29:06,920 --> 01:29:09,360
Speaker 3: of my head, really think of another NFL team that

1990
01:29:09,479 --> 01:29:12,000
Speaker 3: kind of plays that way. Like I don't know, just

1991
01:29:12,120 --> 01:29:14,160
Speaker 3: it's it seems like such a kind of unique thing

1992
01:29:14,200 --> 01:29:14,400
Speaker 3: to them.

1993
01:29:14,439 --> 01:29:17,320
Speaker 6: May average teams, I think there are a lot of them.

1994
01:29:17,720 --> 01:29:19,439
Speaker 6: I think there's a lot of average teams in the league.

1995
01:29:19,439 --> 01:29:20,720
Speaker 6: That's probably the biggest chunk of.

1996
01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,640
Speaker 3: Because they're just inconsistent and they play good in one

1997
01:29:24,680 --> 01:29:26,200
Speaker 3: week and they don't play good the other week, and

1998
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:28,439
Speaker 3: you know, like it's like, because I think the Patriots

1999
01:29:28,439 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 3: are a well coached team. I think that teams around

2000
01:29:30,560 --> 01:29:33,200
Speaker 3: the league respect them. But you know, it's like you're

2001
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:34,599
Speaker 3: hearing all the Eagles say all this thing's like that's

2002
01:29:34,600 --> 01:29:36,479
Speaker 3: a great defense, that's a great you know. I'm like, well,

2003
01:29:36,479 --> 01:29:38,360
Speaker 3: why can't they beat the good teams? Then, you know,

2004
01:29:38,520 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 3: like that's that's what the hang up is.

2005
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,200
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I would look at the you know stuff,

2006
01:29:43,920 --> 01:29:46,200
Speaker 6: the perfect like you know, the guy says, you know,

2007
01:29:46,560 --> 01:29:49,120
Speaker 6: he takes issue with Evan saying that everything has to

2008
01:29:49,200 --> 01:29:50,920
Speaker 6: be perfect, and then he says, you know, if they

2009
01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:53,400
Speaker 6: didn't make the mistakes at the beginning, that's Evan's point

2010
01:29:54,520 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 6: is everything needs to be perfect because if they make

2011
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:59,080
Speaker 6: a mistake or two, they can't overcome it. And I'm sorry,

2012
01:29:59,240 --> 01:30:01,960
Speaker 6: Oh and twelve when you allowed twenty five or more

2013
01:30:02,000 --> 01:30:05,280
Speaker 6: points is what it is. That's a fact. That's not

2014
01:30:05,400 --> 01:30:07,320
Speaker 6: a lot of points in the NFL twenty five.

2015
01:30:09,200 --> 01:30:12,639
Speaker 1: Let's get back to the phones. We'll go to Christian

2016
01:30:12,680 --> 01:30:15,880
Speaker 1: and dare is this Chris with a T, I A N. Yes,

2017
01:30:15,920 --> 01:30:17,960
Speaker 1: it is, okay? What's up?

2018
01:30:18,240 --> 01:30:21,000
Speaker 14: I was? Uh, I was, I was feeling pretty good

2019
01:30:21,040 --> 01:30:23,520
Speaker 14: after Sunday and then I listened to the first ninety minutes.

2020
01:30:23,280 --> 01:30:23,639
Speaker 1: Of the show.

2021
01:30:23,840 --> 01:30:25,639
Speaker 5: I know so much.

2022
01:30:25,880 --> 01:30:29,280
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, Now I brought the energy in the postgame show.

2023
01:30:30,360 --> 01:30:30,880
Speaker 5: Yes it is.

2024
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:36,519
Speaker 14: I just I mean, I think Evan, you know, you're

2025
01:30:36,520 --> 01:30:39,840
Speaker 14: talking about where's the optimism coming from, just because we're

2026
01:30:39,880 --> 01:30:42,320
Speaker 14: so starved from what we saw last year on offense.

2027
01:30:42,439 --> 01:30:45,640
Speaker 14: And Fred repeatedly came on the show and said, what

2028
01:30:45,760 --> 01:30:48,840
Speaker 14: we're watching is not an NFL offense. And you look

2029
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:50,519
Speaker 14: at Billy Oh, and you know that that's the guy

2030
01:30:50,600 --> 01:30:53,880
Speaker 14: that's done it. And this hope there, and I think

2031
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,960
Speaker 14: that's what we're all latching onto, is that the hope

2032
01:30:55,960 --> 01:30:58,360
Speaker 14: of getting better. And I'm with you, I don't care

2033
01:30:58,400 --> 01:31:01,000
Speaker 14: that max group of three hundred plus yards, Like you know,

2034
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:02,960
Speaker 14: the start of the game, you had those three drives.

2035
01:31:03,000 --> 01:31:05,280
Speaker 14: I think they went three plays and they had three

2036
01:31:05,360 --> 01:31:07,240
Speaker 14: drives in a row. They had three plays and they

2037
01:31:07,320 --> 01:31:09,679
Speaker 14: barely got like eleven or twelve yards or something total.

2038
01:31:11,000 --> 01:31:14,960
Speaker 14: So like that's frustrating positively for me. A lot of

2039
01:31:14,960 --> 01:31:17,080
Speaker 14: the rookie plays, A lot of the rookies play, which

2040
01:31:17,120 --> 01:31:20,479
Speaker 14: I loved. The offensive line. I don't think anybody saw

2041
01:31:20,560 --> 01:31:23,840
Speaker 14: them going box to wire playing all eighty snaps so

2042
01:31:24,280 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 14: like I come out of that feeling pretty good. That's

2043
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,960
Speaker 14: where and the defense obviously too, like like Paul said,

2044
01:31:30,960 --> 01:31:34,160
Speaker 14: the defense hasn't made those types of stops when they

2045
01:31:34,200 --> 01:31:37,200
Speaker 14: needed to in years, really going all the way back

2046
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,759
Speaker 14: probably to like this, the last super.

2047
01:31:38,600 --> 01:31:39,080
Speaker 16: Bowl they won.

2048
01:31:40,120 --> 01:31:43,639
Speaker 14: So I think this room for improvement. And I feel

2049
01:31:43,760 --> 01:31:46,040
Speaker 14: a little bit better than I did, not necessarily the

2050
01:31:46,160 --> 01:31:49,160
Speaker 14: seven to eight win, but maybe close to the nine

2051
01:31:49,240 --> 01:31:52,080
Speaker 14: or ten, if you know, they just start to gell

2052
01:31:52,120 --> 01:31:55,639
Speaker 14: And that's that's where I'm coming from on it. And Fred,

2053
01:31:55,840 --> 01:31:57,879
Speaker 14: can I say something about the halftime ceremony?

2054
01:31:58,040 --> 01:31:58,280
Speaker 1: Sure?

2055
01:32:00,040 --> 01:32:02,160
Speaker 14: I wept like a baby when he said a Patriot

2056
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,040
Speaker 14: for life. I'm not going to lie. Who was Niagara

2057
01:32:04,120 --> 01:32:05,400
Speaker 14: Falls with a seminar hold.

2058
01:32:06,160 --> 01:32:06,640
Speaker 10: I loved it.

2059
01:32:07,439 --> 01:32:09,200
Speaker 14: I was hoping though, that there was going to be

2060
01:32:09,280 --> 01:32:12,000
Speaker 14: more of an announcement of like whether it was a

2061
01:32:12,120 --> 01:32:14,680
Speaker 14: Jersey retirement or like that they were going to have

2062
01:32:14,840 --> 01:32:16,439
Speaker 14: like an announcement that they're going to put like the

2063
01:32:16,520 --> 01:32:19,000
Speaker 14: statue of like the size of the Statue of Liberty

2064
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:19,479
Speaker 14: out in front of.

2065
01:32:19,439 --> 01:32:20,280
Speaker 15: The lighthouse or something.

2066
01:32:20,640 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 14: I hope for a little bit more like that. And

2067
01:32:22,400 --> 01:32:24,120
Speaker 14: I know you only at thirteen minutes, like you said,

2068
01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 14: you got to get the stage off and on the

2069
01:32:25,400 --> 01:32:28,479
Speaker 14: field all that stuff post game. But I kind of

2070
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:29,800
Speaker 14: was just hoping for a little more. And I know

2071
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,759
Speaker 14: there's going to be the ceremony on the twelfth of June,

2072
01:32:32,880 --> 01:32:35,040
Speaker 14: but I was kind of hoping for a little bit more.

2073
01:32:35,320 --> 01:32:37,880
Speaker 1: I just don't think they know, like beyond having this

2074
01:32:38,240 --> 01:32:41,360
Speaker 1: event on the twelve, I don't think they know what

2075
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:44,200
Speaker 1: and putting him into the Hall of Fame. They don't

2076
01:32:44,240 --> 01:32:46,879
Speaker 1: know what they want to do, whether it's a statue

2077
01:32:47,160 --> 01:32:49,880
Speaker 1: or you know, all that stuff. They don't want to

2078
01:32:49,920 --> 01:32:51,800
Speaker 1: retire his number because I know they want to get

2079
01:32:51,880 --> 01:32:54,679
Speaker 1: rid of those There's too many people with retired numbers

2080
01:32:54,720 --> 01:32:57,320
Speaker 1: that shouldn't have their numbers retired on this team, so

2081
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,800
Speaker 1: that whole tradition. I think they want to get rid

2082
01:32:59,880 --> 01:33:03,640
Speaker 1: of that instead of extending it. But in terms of

2083
01:33:04,000 --> 01:33:06,080
Speaker 1: what they want to do, that's I don't think they

2084
01:33:06,560 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: know yet.

2085
01:33:07,280 --> 01:33:08,600
Speaker 3: We're gonna have a brainstorm about that.

2086
01:33:09,040 --> 01:33:12,840
Speaker 1: We might yeah we should, thought, yeah we should.

2087
01:33:14,160 --> 01:33:19,000
Speaker 8: I appreciated Christian laying out where the optimism comes from,

2088
01:33:19,040 --> 01:33:21,840
Speaker 8: because I think some people just say, well I'm optimistic,

2089
01:33:21,920 --> 01:33:23,320
Speaker 8: and it's like why.

2090
01:33:24,520 --> 01:33:26,880
Speaker 6: And that's fine, Like and That's how I was in

2091
01:33:26,960 --> 01:33:28,720
Speaker 6: the post game show. Right to be fair, I mean,

2092
01:33:28,760 --> 01:33:31,120
Speaker 6: I thought there was more to be optimistic about Sunday

2093
01:33:31,680 --> 01:33:32,080
Speaker 6: than the other.

2094
01:33:32,320 --> 01:33:36,160
Speaker 1: I went into this game and I didn't think that

2095
01:33:36,280 --> 01:33:39,840
Speaker 1: I was going to see Mac throw for three touchdowns.

2096
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:40,200
Speaker 1: I don't.

2097
01:33:40,439 --> 01:33:42,280
Speaker 6: But why, like you've never seen that?

2098
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:45,200
Speaker 1: Because because I didn't think they'd be ready for that yet.

2099
01:33:45,240 --> 01:33:47,240
Speaker 1: I didn't think the offense would come out and be

2100
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:48,240
Speaker 1: able to.

2101
01:33:48,280 --> 01:33:48,920
Speaker 10: Do that yet.

2102
01:33:49,080 --> 01:33:50,320
Speaker 1: I feel especially.

2103
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:54,880
Speaker 6: Like, but I just like the bar is so incredibly low.

2104
01:33:54,920 --> 01:33:56,919
Speaker 6: You didn't expect them to be able to score three touchdowns.

2105
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,400
Speaker 6: I don't understand that they score so they had to

2106
01:33:59,439 --> 01:34:01,800
Speaker 6: be throws. You to be encouraged, Yeah, I think like

2107
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,000
Speaker 6: it wouldn't be encouraging if ro mondra Stevenson at three

2108
01:34:04,040 --> 01:34:05,120
Speaker 6: one yard touchdown runs.

2109
01:34:05,200 --> 01:34:08,680
Speaker 1: No, but this season, this season, I don't get it.

2110
01:34:08,920 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: This season is predicated on the play of Matt Jones offensively.

2111
01:34:12,600 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: The fact that he comes out in the first game

2112
01:34:14,960 --> 01:34:18,040
Speaker 1: and throws for three touchdowns to me, is encouraging.

2113
01:34:18,800 --> 01:34:21,439
Speaker 6: It's it's encouraged to be more encouraging if they if

2114
01:34:21,439 --> 01:34:23,599
Speaker 6: they scored thirty five points and he threw fifteen Okay,

2115
01:34:23,840 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 6: that's all I'm.

2116
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:25,840
Speaker 1: Saying I didn't expect that either.

2117
01:34:27,000 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 6: Again, this is a new start for this offense in

2118
01:34:29,439 --> 01:34:31,599
Speaker 6: my opinion, Okay, I just don't see it that way.

2119
01:34:31,680 --> 01:34:34,759
Speaker 4: It's I think it'd be encouraging if Mac was a rookie,

2120
01:34:34,800 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 4: but he's not, and it's year three, and like, we

2121
01:34:37,040 --> 01:34:37,799
Speaker 4: really need to see.

2122
01:34:37,680 --> 01:34:38,559
Speaker 8: Improvement at this point.

2123
01:34:39,320 --> 01:34:42,519
Speaker 4: But was last night a last year and patting the

2124
01:34:42,560 --> 01:34:46,200
Speaker 4: Patriots on the back for having an offensive coordinator, having

2125
01:34:46,200 --> 01:34:50,360
Speaker 4: an offensive coordinator and running an actual offense or an offense?

2126
01:34:50,439 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 6: So last year when I went nine for three to

2127
01:34:53,000 --> 01:34:55,559
Speaker 6: eighty two and three touchdowns, that was a last year

2128
01:34:55,680 --> 01:34:57,960
Speaker 6: because a defensive coordinator was calling the plays.

2129
01:34:58,800 --> 01:34:59,719
Speaker 1: Oh but it wasn't.

2130
01:35:00,479 --> 01:35:02,080
Speaker 6: I don't think it was a last year. I think

2131
01:35:02,120 --> 01:35:04,680
Speaker 6: that he didn't play that well. I don't give him

2132
01:35:04,720 --> 01:35:07,360
Speaker 6: the out that everybody else does. That's different. That's why

2133
01:35:07,439 --> 01:35:09,280
Speaker 6: my bar is not down on the floor, so like

2134
01:35:09,360 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 6: everybody else's is.

2135
01:35:10,360 --> 01:35:12,680
Speaker 1: So you're not blaming Matt Patricia.

2136
01:35:12,400 --> 01:35:14,960
Speaker 6: Well I blame Matt Patricia. Sure this we can't have

2137
01:35:15,080 --> 01:35:16,240
Speaker 6: more than one guy at faulton.

2138
01:35:16,320 --> 01:35:16,360
Speaker 4: No.

2139
01:35:16,520 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: I sure he didn't play well, but it was a

2140
01:35:19,360 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: lost year in terms of his development.

2141
01:35:21,520 --> 01:35:23,960
Speaker 6: Right, And according to a lot of people that would

2142
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:26,519
Speaker 6: be the consensus opinion. Do you not mine?

2143
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,439
Speaker 1: No, you think he should have gotten better.

2144
01:35:28,680 --> 01:35:30,680
Speaker 6: I think you should have. I think he should have

2145
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:33,840
Speaker 6: played better than he did. Yes, And I think he

2146
01:35:33,920 --> 01:35:35,759
Speaker 6: showed that in the second half of the year compared

2147
01:35:35,800 --> 01:35:37,519
Speaker 6: to the first half of the year, when he did

2148
01:35:37,600 --> 01:35:40,679
Speaker 6: play better than he did. He did improve down the stretch.

2149
01:35:41,080 --> 01:35:43,719
Speaker 6: And I know no one wants to hear that because

2150
01:35:43,760 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 6: that's not fitting with the narrative. But if you look

2151
01:35:45,960 --> 01:35:48,120
Speaker 6: at the second half of the year, his numbers were

2152
01:35:48,200 --> 01:35:49,920
Speaker 6: light years better than they were in the first half.

2153
01:35:50,400 --> 01:35:55,679
Speaker 8: I think that you can improve individually without the results

2154
01:35:55,760 --> 01:35:58,880
Speaker 8: actually being better. And what I wanted to see was

2155
01:35:59,040 --> 01:36:02,320
Speaker 8: Mac take last year as that learning experience of what

2156
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:04,519
Speaker 8: did go wrong and what did go right and what

2157
01:36:04,640 --> 01:36:06,840
Speaker 8: he does need to work on, and then just do

2158
01:36:06,960 --> 01:36:08,880
Speaker 8: it now in a much better offense. Like I'll give

2159
01:36:08,920 --> 01:36:12,679
Speaker 8: them on Sunday that the film is so much cleaner

2160
01:36:12,720 --> 01:36:14,800
Speaker 8: than it was last year in terms of just the

2161
01:36:15,040 --> 01:36:18,479
Speaker 8: overall operation of the offense, the route running, the spacing,

2162
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:21,680
Speaker 8: the timing, like all the little intricate details that I

2163
01:36:21,840 --> 01:36:23,800
Speaker 8: nerd out about, Like all that stuff was so much

2164
01:36:23,840 --> 01:36:27,360
Speaker 8: better than last year. You can just tell that when

2165
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:30,320
Speaker 8: they say to break this route off at twelve yards,

2166
01:36:30,680 --> 01:36:32,960
Speaker 8: they don't let guys get away with breaking it off

2167
01:36:33,040 --> 01:36:35,920
Speaker 8: at ten anymore. Like we said twelve, So break it

2168
01:36:36,000 --> 01:36:39,240
Speaker 8: off at twelve. And that's happening again, which is positive.

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01:36:39,600 --> 01:36:41,320
Speaker 8: But I just think it comes back to at the

2170
01:36:41,400 --> 01:36:44,040
Speaker 8: end of the day, do they have enough talent, Like,

2171
01:36:44,160 --> 01:36:47,640
Speaker 8: do they have the talent to do more than just

2172
01:36:48,479 --> 01:36:50,960
Speaker 8: run the scheme and make it look like a presentable

2173
01:36:51,120 --> 01:36:55,120
Speaker 8: NFL offense? Like to Paul's point, that's that's on the

2174
01:36:55,200 --> 01:36:56,320
Speaker 8: floor that bar up.

2175
01:36:56,680 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 1: It may not, they may not, but I'm just talking

2176
01:36:59,200 --> 01:37:03,120
Speaker 1: about Mac. Right. I didn't think I come into this game,

2177
01:37:03,200 --> 01:37:07,160
Speaker 1: I thought the offense would struggle, you know, and it

2178
01:37:07,280 --> 01:37:08,519
Speaker 1: did in the first half, but it.

2179
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,720
Speaker 6: Got better in the second half, you know, and he

2180
01:37:10,760 --> 01:37:12,240
Speaker 6: scored six points in the second half.

2181
01:37:12,280 --> 01:37:12,400
Speaker 10: You know.

2182
01:37:12,600 --> 01:37:14,599
Speaker 1: I just I just thought that Mac.

2183
01:37:14,760 --> 01:37:15,680
Speaker 6: I'm just giving you the fact.

2184
01:37:15,800 --> 01:37:18,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just thought Mac looked better.

2185
01:37:18,160 --> 01:37:20,080
Speaker 6: I mean, it took over twice at the other team's

2186
01:37:20,120 --> 01:37:21,760
Speaker 6: forty yard line with the game on the line and

2187
01:37:21,800 --> 01:37:22,320
Speaker 6: couldn't score.

2188
01:37:22,320 --> 01:37:25,080
Speaker 1: It proved as the game went on, but they were

2189
01:37:25,120 --> 01:37:27,519
Speaker 1: in a tough position. They put themselves in a tough position,

2190
01:37:27,600 --> 01:37:28,719
Speaker 1: and they were always chasing.

2191
01:37:29,320 --> 01:37:32,280
Speaker 6: And so my point is if we just keep saying

2192
01:37:32,360 --> 01:37:34,280
Speaker 6: he got better as the game went on and ignored

2193
01:37:34,320 --> 01:37:36,759
Speaker 6: the fact that his best play was in the second quarter,

2194
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:38,800
Speaker 6: then what are we doing.

2195
01:37:38,920 --> 01:37:39,720
Speaker 1: Well, it's week one.

2196
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:43,280
Speaker 6: I didn't say he played badly. I said on Sunday

2197
01:37:43,400 --> 01:37:46,080
Speaker 6: when we talked about in the postgame show, Mac was

2198
01:37:46,080 --> 01:37:47,760
Speaker 6: the least of your problems in this game. You didn't

2199
01:37:47,800 --> 01:37:50,240
Speaker 6: lose this game because of Mac Jones, but you also

2200
01:37:50,320 --> 01:37:53,200
Speaker 6: didn't win it because of Mac Jones. And he didn't

2201
01:37:53,320 --> 01:37:55,120
Speaker 6: do what he needed to do. And to say that

2202
01:37:55,200 --> 01:37:57,360
Speaker 6: he got better as the game went on is not accurate.

2203
01:37:58,280 --> 01:38:01,160
Speaker 6: They scored six points in the second half, despite taking

2204
01:38:01,200 --> 01:38:05,519
Speaker 6: over and plus territory twice. They scored six points.

2205
01:38:05,720 --> 01:38:07,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so, and that was because of his play.

2206
01:38:08,040 --> 01:38:09,559
Speaker 6: I didn't say it was because of his play. I'm

2207
01:38:09,560 --> 01:38:13,200
Speaker 6: talking about the offense context. Okay, Well, on fourth down

2208
01:38:13,240 --> 01:38:15,479
Speaker 6: he couldn't complete passes. That's the context. So if you

2209
01:38:15,520 --> 01:38:17,080
Speaker 6: want to put that on Mac Jones, put it on

2210
01:38:17,200 --> 01:38:19,400
Speaker 6: Mac Jones. The ball was right there, and people's not

2211
01:38:19,520 --> 01:38:20,559
Speaker 6: on fourth and three, it wasn't.

2212
01:38:20,760 --> 01:38:23,599
Speaker 1: I'm talking about the long fourth down that was born

2213
01:38:23,680 --> 01:38:24,240
Speaker 1: down the middle.

2214
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:25,000
Speaker 6: That was third down.

2215
01:38:25,400 --> 01:38:27,559
Speaker 8: Okay, but you know that was a good throw.

2216
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:30,000
Speaker 1: It was that it was a good throw to Booty.

2217
01:38:30,200 --> 01:38:32,120
Speaker 8: He made three really good throws, you know, like.

2218
01:38:32,640 --> 01:38:37,000
Speaker 6: Sometimes you're who who whoa who WHOA? Have him repeat

2219
01:38:37,040 --> 01:38:37,320
Speaker 6: that what.

2220
01:38:38,080 --> 01:38:39,640
Speaker 8: He made three really good throws in the game, and

2221
01:38:39,720 --> 01:38:40,280
Speaker 8: that's one of them.

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01:38:40,400 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, only three good throws.

2223
01:38:42,520 --> 01:38:43,679
Speaker 8: Yeah, made three good throws.

2224
01:38:44,120 --> 01:38:46,640
Speaker 1: Okay, the quote including the touchdowns.

2225
01:38:47,040 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 8: The touchdown of Kendrick Bourne was a good throw. The

2226
01:38:49,040 --> 01:38:51,679
Speaker 8: touchdown to Hunter Henry was a good throw. And throw

2227
01:38:51,720 --> 01:38:54,439
Speaker 8: you just mentioned was throw. No other good throws, all

2228
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:57,200
Speaker 8: other throws, all the other throws were throws at every

2229
01:38:57,280 --> 01:38:59,920
Speaker 8: quarterback in the league and make it. Okay it terms

2230
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,679
Speaker 8: of like those I'm not taking it that far, those

2231
01:39:03,400 --> 01:39:07,479
Speaker 8: those high level like wow, big PFF calls them big

2232
01:39:07,520 --> 01:39:10,040
Speaker 8: time throws, whatever you want to call him. PFF gave

2233
01:39:10,120 --> 01:39:11,920
Speaker 8: him four he gave They gave him the to Mario

2234
01:39:12,000 --> 01:39:15,840
Speaker 8: Douglas corner route too. They like that was BTT big

2235
01:39:15,920 --> 01:39:18,120
Speaker 8: time throw. So he had four big time throws in

2236
01:39:18,200 --> 01:39:22,000
Speaker 8: this game. But not just my migrating by their grading

2237
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,680
Speaker 8: as well, that means all the other completions that he

2238
01:39:24,760 --> 01:39:28,160
Speaker 8: had in this game. They feel like every starting quarterback

2239
01:39:28,200 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 8: in the league makes So I'm just telling you he

2240
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:34,000
Speaker 8: made them. Yeah, that's what I'm not holding it against.

2241
01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:37,040
Speaker 1: So now we're now style points. Now, now we're now

2242
01:39:37,080 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 1: we're you know, giving him no lower marks because they

2243
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:40,880
Speaker 1: weren't big time throw.

2244
01:39:40,880 --> 01:39:43,040
Speaker 6: I'm not giving him lower marks because I'm giving the

2245
01:39:43,120 --> 01:39:45,920
Speaker 6: lower MUCKs because they didn't score points. Yeah, I'm really

2246
01:39:46,360 --> 01:39:48,120
Speaker 6: I'm really tricky with that. If they scored a lot

2247
01:39:48,160 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 6: of points, I usually give the offense credit and that's fine.

2248
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:54,479
Speaker 1: But listen again, I I think that there's enough to

2249
01:39:54,560 --> 01:39:55,240
Speaker 1: build on here.

2250
01:39:55,360 --> 01:39:58,519
Speaker 6: I would agree, So I would agree, But I don't

2251
01:39:58,560 --> 01:40:01,439
Speaker 6: think that they showed this t mendous improvement. They were better.

2252
01:40:01,600 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 1: Okay, again putting words in my mouth. Did I ever

2253
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:06,759
Speaker 1: say tremendous improvement?

2254
01:40:07,120 --> 01:40:07,760
Speaker 5: I think you did?

2255
01:40:08,000 --> 01:40:10,920
Speaker 6: No, I didn't, Okay, I never did. Well, what you

2256
01:40:11,040 --> 01:40:12,280
Speaker 6: phrase it the way you want to phrase it.

2257
01:40:12,439 --> 01:40:14,840
Speaker 1: I said I was encouraged. I think there's things to

2258
01:40:14,920 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: build on it.

2259
01:40:15,520 --> 01:40:17,120
Speaker 6: You also said he got better as the game went on.

2260
01:40:17,320 --> 01:40:17,840
Speaker 6: Yeah I didn't.

2261
01:40:17,920 --> 01:40:20,360
Speaker 1: I do I think he got more confidence? I think, yeah,

2262
01:40:20,400 --> 01:40:23,960
Speaker 1: I absolutely do. I think that he's got to have help.

2263
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 1: You know, Booty's gonna make that catch. What's going to

2264
01:40:26,960 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: make that catch? You know you can't. You know our

2265
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:32,280
Speaker 1: quarterback can't throw it and catch it all by him?

2266
01:40:32,439 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 6: Does Hunter Henry have to make that catch on fourth

2267
01:40:34,360 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 6: and eight? Those are the kind of things you need, exactly.

2268
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:40,639
Speaker 6: It's a great catch when you don't have the guy.

2269
01:40:40,840 --> 01:40:42,439
Speaker 6: Those are the kinds of things you need, you need

2270
01:40:42,600 --> 01:40:45,400
Speaker 6: sometimes you're going to get them. On once, Hunter Henry

2271
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 6: did it on down.

2272
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:49,000
Speaker 1: The greatest quarterback in the ever needed that once in

2273
01:40:49,040 --> 01:40:49,599
Speaker 1: a while too.

2274
01:40:50,439 --> 01:40:52,719
Speaker 8: Yeah, but they would think they need it to win games.

2275
01:40:52,760 --> 01:40:54,320
Speaker 8: You would think that they're gonna lose if they don't

2276
01:40:54,360 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 8: get those plays. And Hunter Henry made one of them

2277
01:40:56,920 --> 01:40:58,680
Speaker 8: and extended a drive. And then when they had the

2278
01:40:58,760 --> 01:41:01,000
Speaker 8: next fourth down and they needed that, he could think.

2279
01:41:01,080 --> 01:41:03,439
Speaker 1: Even I think even Tom Brady had some help once

2280
01:41:03,479 --> 01:41:05,759
Speaker 1: in a while from his from his receivers.

2281
01:41:06,320 --> 01:41:10,280
Speaker 8: Very very similar guys, but they have very similar similar

2282
01:41:10,960 --> 01:41:13,040
Speaker 8: The head coach here seems to ignore the fact that

2283
01:41:13,320 --> 01:41:15,800
Speaker 8: that Rob Gronkowski used to play for this football team

2284
01:41:16,320 --> 01:41:19,719
Speaker 8: like that, that's that to me is like I treat

2285
01:41:20,040 --> 01:41:21,519
Speaker 8: I try to treat it as two different things, like

2286
01:41:21,600 --> 01:41:23,560
Speaker 8: that's like an offseason topic to me, of like the

2287
01:41:23,640 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 8: team building and that sort of aspect where I'm as

2288
01:41:26,120 --> 01:41:27,760
Speaker 8: for this game. I'm just like grating the film of

2289
01:41:27,840 --> 01:41:32,120
Speaker 8: this particular game. But you can make that argument that

2290
01:41:32,680 --> 01:41:34,360
Speaker 8: I and I would make it with you, Like the

2291
01:41:34,439 --> 01:41:36,360
Speaker 8: fact of the matter is that they didn't do enough

2292
01:41:36,400 --> 01:41:38,559
Speaker 8: to put enough talent around him. Now, is that because

2293
01:41:38,600 --> 01:41:41,040
Speaker 8: Max is not good enough to elevate the talent? Probably,

2294
01:41:41,600 --> 01:41:43,680
Speaker 8: but that you still have to you have to call

2295
01:41:43,720 --> 01:41:45,920
Speaker 8: a spade a spade. And if you think that mac

2296
01:41:46,000 --> 01:41:48,880
Speaker 8: Jones is gonna make Hunter Henry and Kendrick Bourne and

2297
01:41:49,160 --> 01:41:51,800
Speaker 8: Kaishawan Boody and all these guys that they have out

2298
01:41:51,840 --> 01:41:57,360
Speaker 8: there elevate them to this level, then you're lying to yourself. No,

2299
01:41:57,439 --> 01:41:58,920
Speaker 8: I know, I'm just saying that that's how they built

2300
01:41:58,960 --> 01:42:02,080
Speaker 8: the roster. They the roster thinking that the quarterback was

2301
01:42:02,160 --> 01:42:03,920
Speaker 8: going to be able to do enough with the weapons

2302
01:42:03,960 --> 01:42:06,000
Speaker 8: that they put around him. And the weapons aren't good

2303
01:42:06,120 --> 01:42:10,880
Speaker 8: enough for this quarterback. I think for some quarterbacks they

2304
01:42:10,960 --> 01:42:14,120
Speaker 8: might be, but for this quarterback in particular, it's not

2305
01:42:14,400 --> 01:42:14,760
Speaker 8: be nice.

2306
01:42:14,760 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 3: If half of them were playing, you know, well maybe

2307
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:19,240
Speaker 3: no one could talk about Juju.

2308
01:42:19,720 --> 01:42:21,360
Speaker 6: Half we can didn't play.

2309
01:42:21,400 --> 01:42:23,400
Speaker 8: It's not gonna be People are getting on me for

2310
01:42:23,479 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 8: being negative. It's not going to be positive.

2311
01:42:25,160 --> 01:42:26,920
Speaker 3: And I think like part of this part of this

2312
01:42:27,040 --> 01:42:28,880
Speaker 3: fread was like last week we were all saying, like

2313
01:42:29,080 --> 01:42:29,639
Speaker 3: we have hope.

2314
01:42:29,680 --> 01:42:31,680
Speaker 8: We you know that if you can't be positive right now.

2315
01:42:31,680 --> 01:42:32,960
Speaker 1: When can you a round pick?

2316
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:34,559
Speaker 10: Oh?

2317
01:42:34,720 --> 01:42:37,320
Speaker 1: Fred, come on, well, he hasn't played. He's supposed to

2318
01:42:37,360 --> 01:42:37,640
Speaker 1: be the guy.

2319
01:42:38,000 --> 01:42:39,880
Speaker 6: This is the guy that people wanted to cut because

2320
01:42:39,920 --> 01:42:43,040
Speaker 6: they like to Mario Douglas. Now you missed him on side.

2321
01:42:43,080 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 8: The bottom line, in fact.

2322
01:42:44,200 --> 01:42:45,960
Speaker 1: Is he had a second round pick. Who who's not

2323
01:42:46,040 --> 01:42:46,439
Speaker 1: playing to.

2324
01:42:46,520 --> 01:42:47,400
Speaker 6: Mario dollars Ago.

2325
01:42:47,800 --> 01:42:50,400
Speaker 8: How many snaps can you give to Mario Douglas Because

2326
01:42:50,400 --> 01:42:53,040
Speaker 8: there is not a number that is too many. He

2327
01:42:53,160 --> 01:42:56,400
Speaker 8: needs to be on the field for I think those

2328
01:42:56,600 --> 01:42:59,360
Speaker 8: I think they will seventy five plus. I think they

2329
01:42:59,439 --> 01:43:04,280
Speaker 8: have to be because he's Douglas and Born are the

2330
01:43:04,400 --> 01:43:06,880
Speaker 8: two guys that are dynamic. They're the two guys that

2331
01:43:07,560 --> 01:43:09,760
Speaker 8: run dynamic routes, that are good with the ball in

2332
01:43:09,800 --> 01:43:12,599
Speaker 8: their hands. You know, they're though, two guys that are

2333
01:43:13,120 --> 01:43:17,240
Speaker 8: quote unquote explosive in your offense. The guy that you

2334
01:43:17,360 --> 01:43:20,559
Speaker 8: signed from Kansas City and free agency does not qualify.

2335
01:43:21,000 --> 01:43:25,240
Speaker 8: So if by the end of the year, Douglas is

2336
01:43:25,280 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 8: ready to take on more and more and more as

2337
01:43:27,280 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 8: the year progresses. I would play with Pop Douglas over

2338
01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:31,639
Speaker 8: Juju right now, So I would.

2339
01:43:31,720 --> 01:43:34,639
Speaker 6: We can move on from one of our typical Paul

2340
01:43:34,720 --> 01:43:38,000
Speaker 6: Fred semantic arguments and go to what to make of

2341
01:43:38,200 --> 01:43:42,120
Speaker 6: Juju's lack of usage? You know, once that fourth bound

2342
01:43:42,160 --> 01:43:44,880
Speaker 6: play happened, the fourth and three with ten minutes to go,

2343
01:43:45,080 --> 01:43:48,519
Speaker 6: not six. From that point on, he didn't play a

2344
01:43:48,560 --> 01:43:51,720
Speaker 6: whole lot. What do you make What do you guys

2345
01:43:51,800 --> 01:43:52,120
Speaker 6: make of that?

2346
01:43:53,600 --> 01:43:54,400
Speaker 1: It's a good question.

2347
01:43:54,479 --> 01:43:56,479
Speaker 3: I haven't I mean, look we said coming in, I

2348
01:43:56,560 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 3: haven't been impressed with him just I mean, he didn't

2349
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:00,840
Speaker 3: really practice at all, right in ot As. We never

2350
01:44:00,880 --> 01:44:02,599
Speaker 3: saw him in ot As. We finally got to see

2351
01:44:02,640 --> 01:44:05,479
Speaker 3: him in training camp. Never really looked explosive, kind of

2352
01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:09,160
Speaker 3: reserve judgment because felt like he's a tackle breaker, he's

2353
01:44:09,200 --> 01:44:13,360
Speaker 3: a guy real football, he'll show up. I was discovered.

2354
01:44:13,439 --> 01:44:15,400
Speaker 1: Doesn't it start with the reports about his knee?

2355
01:44:15,560 --> 01:44:17,439
Speaker 3: I mean, and that's what that's what I wonder. I

2356
01:44:17,560 --> 01:44:21,000
Speaker 3: wonder is he injured or is he washed?

2357
01:44:21,080 --> 01:44:23,760
Speaker 6: He certainly looks to me like he's he's injured, like

2358
01:44:24,080 --> 01:44:26,599
Speaker 6: but you know, he doesn't run well, get better later

2359
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:29,600
Speaker 6: on in the season, injured or this is what.

2360
01:44:30,280 --> 01:44:31,320
Speaker 1: Are they monitoring him?

2361
01:44:32,640 --> 01:44:32,800
Speaker 11: You know?

2362
01:44:33,200 --> 01:44:35,160
Speaker 1: But if they're monitoring him, then I would think that

2363
01:44:35,280 --> 01:44:37,240
Speaker 1: you'd save him for the end, you know, Like it

2364
01:44:37,320 --> 01:44:39,519
Speaker 1: seems the opposite, Like they couldn't use him at the.

2365
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:43,920
Speaker 8: End if he if he was like if his route

2366
01:44:44,000 --> 01:44:48,200
Speaker 8: running was good and his hands were good, the fact

2367
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:49,920
Speaker 8: that he doesn't have the burst that he used to

2368
01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:54,640
Speaker 8: have wouldn't be that concerning. But the the part that

2369
01:44:54,760 --> 01:44:58,160
Speaker 8: was most concerning to me in this game was I

2370
01:44:58,200 --> 01:45:00,160
Speaker 8: don't think he was really running the right route all

2371
01:45:00,200 --> 01:45:03,200
Speaker 8: the time. And so on the fourth down play, a

2372
01:45:03,240 --> 01:45:05,519
Speaker 8: third down play at the beginning of the game where

2373
01:45:05,560 --> 01:45:09,200
Speaker 8: he the ball went through his hands. Everybody and myself

2374
01:45:09,280 --> 01:45:11,840
Speaker 8: included to watch that play and was like, you know,

2375
01:45:11,920 --> 01:45:14,280
Speaker 8: Mac short armed it right, Like there wasn't enough velocity

2376
01:45:14,320 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 8: on the ball.

2377
01:45:14,840 --> 01:45:16,679
Speaker 1: He did a little, but it's still was catchable.

2378
01:45:16,720 --> 01:45:19,080
Speaker 8: It was the wrong route. Yeah, I think I don't

2379
01:45:19,120 --> 01:45:20,960
Speaker 8: know that for a fact. It's just a theory. But

2380
01:45:21,680 --> 01:45:24,760
Speaker 8: when you watch the play, the corner is sitting outside

2381
01:45:24,760 --> 01:45:27,400
Speaker 8: of Juju, and I think Mac is expecting him to

2382
01:45:27,520 --> 01:45:30,360
Speaker 8: return back into the middle of the field and cut

2383
01:45:30,479 --> 01:45:33,559
Speaker 8: back inside when he makes that cut, and Juju can

2384
01:45:33,640 --> 01:45:36,920
Speaker 8: continue to cut outside. And you look at the reason.

2385
01:45:37,160 --> 01:45:39,400
Speaker 8: I think it was partial because he dropped it, but

2386
01:45:39,479 --> 01:45:43,240
Speaker 8: also because Bill O'Brien on the sideline after the play

2387
01:45:43,880 --> 01:45:47,680
Speaker 8: looks disgusted, like throws his hands like this and just

2388
01:45:47,920 --> 01:45:50,559
Speaker 8: made him play and and just walks away.

2389
01:45:50,680 --> 01:45:52,360
Speaker 1: And that could be. That could be why it could

2390
01:45:52,360 --> 01:45:54,560
Speaker 1: be more less the knee and more he's not on

2391
01:45:54,640 --> 01:45:55,160
Speaker 1: the same.

2392
01:45:55,040 --> 01:45:57,400
Speaker 8: Page, right, And then on the fourth and three play, okay,

2393
01:45:57,439 --> 01:46:00,760
Speaker 8: so different play, Okay, that was this was early a

2394
01:46:00,800 --> 01:46:04,080
Speaker 8: third down early in the game. That with the ball, Yeah,

2395
01:46:04,400 --> 01:46:07,559
Speaker 8: fourth down play late in the game. They put him

2396
01:46:07,600 --> 01:46:10,000
Speaker 8: in the weak spot in their empty formation, which is

2397
01:46:10,720 --> 01:46:12,439
Speaker 8: it might not have been empty, but they put him

2398
01:46:12,439 --> 01:46:15,320
Speaker 8: in their week spot, which is the playmaker spot. That's

2399
01:46:15,479 --> 01:46:17,280
Speaker 8: that's the spot. We're gonna get you a matchup. You're

2400
01:46:17,280 --> 01:46:19,439
Speaker 8: gonna go one on one against somebody, and we're gonna

2401
01:46:19,439 --> 01:46:21,640
Speaker 8: expect you to win the route. And Juju was in

2402
01:46:21,760 --> 01:46:24,519
Speaker 8: that spot and he ran a lazy route. You just

2403
01:46:25,160 --> 01:46:27,559
Speaker 8: didn't make a move off the line of scrimmage, didn't

2404
01:46:27,560 --> 01:46:30,120
Speaker 8: really do anything to get open, and Mac had to

2405
01:46:30,160 --> 01:46:32,040
Speaker 8: hold the ball. And that's when the play broke down

2406
01:46:32,120 --> 01:46:35,639
Speaker 8: and we have the whole thing. I really was concerned

2407
01:46:35,640 --> 01:46:37,640
Speaker 8: about this film for Juju. I mean, he caught a

2408
01:46:37,680 --> 01:46:39,800
Speaker 8: pass it in the flat and he had one on

2409
01:46:40,000 --> 01:46:43,200
Speaker 8: one with some space and just got tackles like that.

2410
01:46:43,320 --> 01:46:44,800
Speaker 8: You know, he tried to make a move and just

2411
01:46:44,920 --> 01:46:48,240
Speaker 8: couldn't go around the guy. I'm not ready to write

2412
01:46:48,280 --> 01:46:52,879
Speaker 8: it off because it's one game, but this was concern.

2413
01:46:53,040 --> 01:46:55,160
Speaker 3: I gotta, I mean, I gotta not give Paul a

2414
01:46:55,200 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 3: little not because I felt like, you know, when they

2415
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:59,559
Speaker 3: traded him, when they're not traded him, when they got

2416
01:46:59,640 --> 01:47:02,240
Speaker 3: him and let Meers walk, you know, initially it felt like,

2417
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:04,120
Speaker 3: all right, he's got a little bit, a little bit

2418
01:47:04,160 --> 01:47:06,160
Speaker 3: more juice than my It's like, how can you swap

2419
01:47:06,280 --> 01:47:09,400
Speaker 3: somebody from Myers and somehow you got slower? Like I

2420
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:12,240
Speaker 3: don't know, I really don't know if this is like

2421
01:47:12,400 --> 01:47:14,200
Speaker 3: salvageable with him, if he's going to get better and

2422
01:47:14,280 --> 01:47:18,280
Speaker 3: it'll start to come on, but like mental mistakes, health issues,

2423
01:47:19,360 --> 01:47:19,720
Speaker 3: I don't know.

2424
01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:22,720
Speaker 6: I was just looking and listen, Evan's right, it's one game,

2425
01:47:22,800 --> 01:47:24,560
Speaker 6: so I'm not taking any victory lat But what I

2426
01:47:25,040 --> 01:47:29,680
Speaker 6: my feeling was they had virtually the identical stats. I

2427
01:47:29,800 --> 01:47:31,760
Speaker 6: think I want to say it was twelve point three

2428
01:47:31,960 --> 01:47:36,080
Speaker 6: per catch. They both a twelve yards per catch, and

2429
01:47:36,240 --> 01:47:39,639
Speaker 6: somehow Jujus were considered to be far more impressive because

2430
01:47:40,080 --> 01:47:43,559
Speaker 6: he averaged more after the catch, which is great if

2431
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:47,320
Speaker 6: they're both averaging twelve yards per air and then Myers

2432
01:47:47,400 --> 01:47:50,760
Speaker 6: is going down and Juju's getting ten more yards. But

2433
01:47:50,840 --> 01:47:53,120
Speaker 6: if they're averaging the same amount every time they catch

2434
01:47:53,160 --> 01:47:55,719
Speaker 6: the pass, why does anybody care if you're just catching

2435
01:47:55,720 --> 01:47:58,000
Speaker 6: it and getting tackled, or catching it three yards from

2436
01:47:58,000 --> 01:48:00,280
Speaker 6: the line of scrimmage and running nine yards, if it's

2437
01:48:00,360 --> 01:48:03,439
Speaker 6: resulting in a twelve yard game on average. I didn't

2438
01:48:03,439 --> 01:48:04,519
Speaker 6: know thought it was that.

2439
01:48:04,640 --> 01:48:07,920
Speaker 8: Bill O'Brien is a yak coordinator, right, Like he's the

2440
01:48:07,960 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 8: guy that sets up the yak and they you thought

2441
01:48:10,680 --> 01:48:12,120
Speaker 8: that he was going to be like a catch and

2442
01:48:12,200 --> 01:48:15,080
Speaker 8: run player. But I'll say this for Jacoby, who I

2443
01:48:15,479 --> 01:48:17,720
Speaker 8: was in favor of signing Juju over Jacoby, I was

2444
01:48:18,640 --> 01:48:22,559
Speaker 8: that fourth and three, Jacoby gets open. Yep, Jacoby gets open,

2445
01:48:22,760 --> 01:48:25,439
Speaker 8: like because it's not they're not asking him to create

2446
01:48:25,520 --> 01:48:28,120
Speaker 8: this like sixty yard explosive play down the field. They're

2447
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:28,600
Speaker 8: asking him to.

2448
01:48:28,600 --> 01:48:30,840
Speaker 6: Get four yards. Yeah, and Jacoby makes a move and

2449
01:48:30,880 --> 01:48:35,479
Speaker 6: gets open. And in terms of that kind of player, I,

2450
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:38,080
Speaker 6: you know, since the second year in the league, I've

2451
01:48:38,120 --> 01:48:39,760
Speaker 6: never you know, and that's when he got the really

2452
01:48:39,760 --> 01:48:42,000
Speaker 6: bad knee injury. After that year he had like one

2453
01:48:42,080 --> 01:48:44,800
Speaker 6: hundred and some odd catches for like fourteen hundred yards.

2454
01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:47,840
Speaker 6: He hasn't been that kind of an explosive guy since

2455
01:48:47,880 --> 01:48:49,320
Speaker 6: he came back from that knee injury. And that's not

2456
01:48:49,640 --> 01:48:52,400
Speaker 6: just like two years ago. We're going back five years now.

2457
01:48:52,960 --> 01:48:55,519
Speaker 6: In that offense last year in Kansas City, with Mahomes

2458
01:48:56,080 --> 01:48:58,120
Speaker 6: twelve yards to catch is what it was, he had

2459
01:48:58,120 --> 01:49:01,920
Speaker 6: a lot more space to work with. And I just

2460
01:49:02,000 --> 01:49:05,840
Speaker 6: feel like he's not an explosive player anymore. And I

2461
01:49:05,880 --> 01:49:08,599
Speaker 6: didn't think he was an explosive player last year where

2462
01:49:08,600 --> 01:49:08,880
Speaker 6: I saw it.

2463
01:49:08,960 --> 01:49:09,080
Speaker 5: Now.

2464
01:49:09,080 --> 01:49:10,920
Speaker 6: I'm not trying to tell you that I think Myers is.

2465
01:49:11,000 --> 01:49:13,840
Speaker 6: I don't think he is either. But again, I am

2466
01:49:13,920 --> 01:49:18,920
Speaker 6: not necessarily more impressed by a guy who catches screens

2467
01:49:18,960 --> 01:49:21,040
Speaker 6: and runs twelve yards as opposed to a guy who

2468
01:49:21,080 --> 01:49:22,880
Speaker 6: catches a pass that goes twelve yards.

2469
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 1: All right, let's quickly hit on these phone calls before

2470
01:49:25,760 --> 01:49:30,959
Speaker 1: the end of the show. David's in New York. What's up, David? Hey, guys, good,

2471
01:49:31,000 --> 01:49:35,160
Speaker 1: Thanks for holding on. All right, So I got a.

2472
01:49:35,160 --> 01:49:37,880
Speaker 17: Couple bones to pick here, respectfully, with having and Paul.

2473
01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:39,040
Speaker 17: Who should I go for first?

2474
01:49:39,600 --> 01:49:40,719
Speaker 1: You can lump him in together.

2475
01:49:40,840 --> 01:49:41,560
Speaker 6: Yeah, you can go to me.

2476
01:49:43,000 --> 01:49:45,439
Speaker 1: We're pretty negative, pod go ahead.

2477
01:49:45,760 --> 01:49:49,360
Speaker 6: I think Evansky more pessimistic than I am.

2478
01:49:49,479 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 8: Probably I grew up with Brady.

2479
01:49:53,200 --> 01:49:53,720
Speaker 9: Since you were.

2480
01:49:53,920 --> 01:49:57,640
Speaker 17: Since you're keeping receipts here today for arguments, I have

2481
01:49:57,760 --> 01:50:00,960
Speaker 17: to bring up something that you said in the postgame show. Okay,

2482
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:05,120
Speaker 17: on Sunday, you had a response to people saying that

2483
01:50:05,160 --> 01:50:07,920
Speaker 17: they've seen this movie play out in regards to the

2484
01:50:08,000 --> 01:50:10,280
Speaker 17: final drive, you know, the Mountain, the comeback, not being

2485
01:50:10,280 --> 01:50:12,880
Speaker 17: able to complete it after being down yep, multiple score.

2486
01:50:13,040 --> 01:50:15,320
Speaker 17: I do remember saying that you said you haven't seen

2487
01:50:15,360 --> 01:50:16,439
Speaker 17: that played out.

2488
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,720
Speaker 6: Not like not like it did on Sunday, was my point. Yes,

2489
01:50:20,280 --> 01:50:21,320
Speaker 6: I did say that. I remember.

2490
01:50:21,439 --> 01:50:23,960
Speaker 17: I don't know though, I disagree a little bit because

2491
01:50:23,960 --> 01:50:26,280
Speaker 17: it was kind of like the Dallas game, kind of

2492
01:50:26,360 --> 01:50:28,640
Speaker 17: like not the same as the Cincinnati game, kind of

2493
01:50:28,680 --> 01:50:31,000
Speaker 17: like the Raiders game, kind of like the Tampa Bay game.

2494
01:50:31,960 --> 01:50:34,439
Speaker 17: It all seemed like the same sort of ending to me.

2495
01:50:35,439 --> 01:50:40,240
Speaker 6: Yeah, you're unquestionably right. You're unquestionably right. In terms of

2496
01:50:40,240 --> 01:50:43,040
Speaker 6: the way the game ended. Dallas had about five hundred

2497
01:50:43,040 --> 01:50:44,960
Speaker 6: and fifty yards of offense, turned the ball over one

2498
01:50:45,000 --> 01:50:47,479
Speaker 6: hundred and ten times, three of them in the end zone.

2499
01:50:47,560 --> 01:50:49,680
Speaker 6: They should have won the game by about four touchdowns.

2500
01:50:51,280 --> 01:50:54,679
Speaker 6: Tampa is a different story because it was a torrential rainstorm. Yeah,

2501
01:50:54,680 --> 01:50:56,120
Speaker 6: I guess you could say it was kind of similar

2502
01:50:56,160 --> 01:50:58,120
Speaker 6: to this, but I don't think the rain had much

2503
01:50:58,120 --> 01:51:00,720
Speaker 6: of an impact on this game on Sunday. I think

2504
01:51:00,760 --> 01:51:03,840
Speaker 6: it did have some impact on the Tampa game, Cincinnati

2505
01:51:04,280 --> 01:51:05,960
Speaker 6: and some of these other games. I didn't feel like

2506
01:51:06,000 --> 01:51:08,040
Speaker 6: the defense played very well. I thought they would flat

2507
01:51:08,080 --> 01:51:10,800
Speaker 6: out terrible in that Dallas game from a couple of

2508
01:51:10,880 --> 01:51:13,519
Speaker 6: years ago. I thought the defense was really really bad

2509
01:51:13,600 --> 01:51:17,759
Speaker 6: that day. I felt like the defense was excellent on Sunday.

2510
01:51:17,760 --> 01:51:19,800
Speaker 6: And that's the part that I you're right. At the

2511
01:51:19,920 --> 01:51:22,639
Speaker 6: end of the game, it was very similar Patriots trying

2512
01:51:22,680 --> 01:51:25,679
Speaker 6: to get over the hump, falling short, you know, kicking

2513
01:51:25,720 --> 01:51:28,280
Speaker 6: ourselves at the end with all the mistakes that we made.

2514
01:51:28,360 --> 01:51:32,080
Speaker 6: I get it, that's that's fair. Tampa would be closer.

2515
01:51:32,240 --> 01:51:33,280
Speaker 6: Tampa would be closer.

2516
01:51:34,120 --> 01:51:37,160
Speaker 17: Yeah, real quick. For for Evan, I have to say

2517
01:51:38,280 --> 01:51:40,599
Speaker 17: I didn't I didn't expect this show from you, Evan

2518
01:51:40,680 --> 01:51:43,840
Speaker 17: today because us an explosiveness in big time throws is

2519
01:51:43,840 --> 01:51:46,040
Speaker 17: your main argument for why we should not be.

2520
01:51:49,400 --> 01:51:50,639
Speaker 8: An hour and a half into the show.

2521
01:51:51,360 --> 01:51:55,000
Speaker 17: So the the other thing that I heard you say

2522
01:51:55,280 --> 01:51:58,040
Speaker 17: that you keep bringing up is you know you'll you'll

2523
01:51:58,080 --> 01:52:00,120
Speaker 17: mention a couple of throws that Mac missed or or

2524
01:52:00,520 --> 01:52:03,160
Speaker 17: you know you could have thrown better. It'll be like Alan,

2525
01:52:03,240 --> 01:52:05,120
Speaker 17: Josh Allen would have made that throw er, Josh Allen

2526
01:52:05,120 --> 01:52:07,360
Speaker 17: would have made this throw that back. Then it's it's

2527
01:52:07,560 --> 01:52:11,360
Speaker 17: kind of contradictory to what kind of quarterback you specifically

2528
01:52:11,400 --> 01:52:13,000
Speaker 17: have been preaching that we should have, which is a

2529
01:52:13,040 --> 01:52:15,800
Speaker 17: guy who doesn't make mistakes, you know, doesn't turn the

2530
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,360
Speaker 17: ball over, and is safe with the football. When we

2531
01:52:18,560 --> 01:52:21,080
Speaker 17: just saw proof of what Josh Allen is last night.

2532
01:52:21,400 --> 01:52:26,840
Speaker 6: Oh, that's proof of what he is, what he can be.

2533
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:29,920
Speaker 8: I mentioned Josh Allen once on the fourth down play

2534
01:52:30,280 --> 01:52:33,840
Speaker 8: because I thought that Josh Allen or take any justin

2535
01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:36,640
Speaker 8: Herbert Josh Allen Patrick, like, take any quarterback that you

2536
01:52:36,760 --> 01:52:38,640
Speaker 8: want that can move a little bit and throw on

2537
01:52:38,760 --> 01:52:41,720
Speaker 8: the move and make those second reaction plays. I thought

2538
01:52:41,720 --> 01:52:43,479
Speaker 8: that they would have hit Kendrick Bourne on that play.

2539
01:52:43,640 --> 01:52:44,560
Speaker 6: That that's it.

2540
01:52:44,920 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 8: That's that's all I was saying. But in terms of

2541
01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:51,200
Speaker 8: the like big time throws and stuff like that, like

2542
01:52:51,280 --> 01:52:53,519
Speaker 8: we were just talking about that, you know, the good

2543
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:55,880
Speaker 8: throws that he made, that's not my main argument. My

2544
01:52:55,960 --> 01:52:59,400
Speaker 8: main argument for Mac is again that I feel like

2545
01:52:59,479 --> 01:53:03,120
Speaker 8: he has to be so so buttoned up on all

2546
01:53:03,200 --> 01:53:06,360
Speaker 8: the details of his game to maximize the physical stuff

2547
01:53:06,920 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 8: that he doesn't have. And in order to do that,

2548
01:53:10,240 --> 01:53:12,880
Speaker 8: you are towing a really really thin line where like

2549
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,480
Speaker 8: you have to be perfect.

2550
01:53:15,200 --> 01:53:17,720
Speaker 1: And you're saying it would you're saying it'd be nice

2551
01:53:17,760 --> 01:53:19,519
Speaker 1: once in a while to have those big plays.

2552
01:53:19,560 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 8: It would also just be It's also just really really

2553
01:53:22,400 --> 01:53:25,400
Speaker 8: hard to be as sharp as that is he needs

2554
01:53:25,439 --> 01:53:28,479
Speaker 8: to be all the time. And that's why this offense

2555
01:53:28,560 --> 01:53:31,360
Speaker 8: to me feels like it's such a roller coaster every

2556
01:53:31,439 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 8: game is because in order to be as perfect and

2557
01:53:36,479 --> 01:53:39,559
Speaker 8: every like pinpoint detail that he needs to be perfect

2558
01:53:39,600 --> 01:53:43,560
Speaker 8: in for sixty seventy plays a game like good Luck, Like,

2559
01:53:43,680 --> 01:53:45,519
Speaker 8: that's a really hard thing to do. I think only

2560
01:53:45,560 --> 01:53:48,880
Speaker 8: a couple quarterbacks have really done that and they happen

2561
01:53:48,920 --> 01:53:50,080
Speaker 8: to have one for twenty years.

2562
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:53,280
Speaker 1: Thanks for the call, Dave. Let's go to Chad in La.

2563
01:53:53,439 --> 01:53:54,120
Speaker 1: What's up, Chad?

2564
01:53:55,320 --> 01:53:55,479
Speaker 10: Hey?

2565
01:53:55,560 --> 01:53:56,080
Speaker 11: How are you guys?

2566
01:53:56,640 --> 01:53:56,960
Speaker 6: Hitch? I?

2567
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 16: Hey, hey, I'm one hundred percent on board with Evan.

2568
01:54:01,240 --> 01:54:05,639
Speaker 17: I think we are a five hundred team.

2569
01:54:06,120 --> 01:54:08,439
Speaker 16: I think we're not going to get past thirty points

2570
01:54:08,560 --> 01:54:11,840
Speaker 16: unless we get a defensive score. And I go back

2571
01:54:11,880 --> 01:54:15,760
Speaker 16: to the clutch conversation you guys had earlier. What's mac

2572
01:54:15,880 --> 01:54:21,080
Speaker 16: Jones's identity? When he was drafted, we were sold on

2573
01:54:21,240 --> 01:54:25,800
Speaker 16: intelligence and mobility. How has he shown that so far?

2574
01:54:26,600 --> 01:54:30,000
Speaker 6: I don't think mobility is I think accuracy, intelligence and accuracy.

2575
01:54:30,080 --> 01:54:32,480
Speaker 6: I think he has shown that. I think he doesn't

2576
01:54:32,520 --> 01:54:35,320
Speaker 6: make a lot of really egregiously bad decisions.

2577
01:54:35,360 --> 01:54:38,200
Speaker 3: No, and when it's when he can have some time exaccurate,

2578
01:54:38,600 --> 01:54:39,040
Speaker 3: I think he.

2579
01:54:39,080 --> 01:54:40,400
Speaker 8: Made He's a great decision maker.

2580
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:40,640
Speaker 5: Like that.

2581
01:54:41,120 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 8: I think this film has really not a whole lot

2582
01:54:44,400 --> 01:54:46,760
Speaker 8: of like head scratching, like what was where is he

2583
01:54:46,840 --> 01:54:48,560
Speaker 8: going with the ball? Like the intent of the throws

2584
01:54:48,600 --> 01:54:50,880
Speaker 8: that he made were really good. I just don't always

2585
01:54:50,880 --> 01:54:53,320
Speaker 8: think the throws are really good, Like I think that

2586
01:54:53,480 --> 01:54:56,040
Speaker 8: sometimes the ball dies on him, especially going into the

2587
01:54:56,080 --> 01:54:57,040
Speaker 8: sideline and.

2588
01:54:57,520 --> 01:54:59,960
Speaker 6: That at least a real hard time outside the number,

2589
01:55:00,120 --> 01:55:02,640
Speaker 6: unless it's down the field that you know, where it.

2590
01:55:02,840 --> 01:55:06,120
Speaker 8: Leads to some incompletions or tougher catches or like, you know,

2591
01:55:06,880 --> 01:55:09,040
Speaker 8: you keep this guy on his feet instead of making

2592
01:55:09,120 --> 01:55:11,360
Speaker 8: him go down to catch the ball. Maybe there's yards

2593
01:55:11,400 --> 01:55:13,240
Speaker 8: after the catch available, like stuff like that.

2594
01:55:14,320 --> 01:55:15,960
Speaker 1: Todd's in North Carolina. What's up, Todd?

2595
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:22,760
Speaker 15: Hey, guys, I'm kind of among the same thing. It's right,

2596
01:55:22,840 --> 01:55:25,640
Speaker 15: I'm pretty I got, you know, a warm, fuzzy feeling

2597
01:55:25,720 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 15: by seeing Mac not die in the pocket and actually

2598
01:55:28,960 --> 01:55:32,520
Speaker 15: make some throws. But my feeling is that this team

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01:55:32,640 --> 01:55:35,280
Speaker 15: is the way that the team is being built by

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01:55:35,440 --> 01:55:38,640
Speaker 15: Bill is he doesn't believe that it's important for the

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01:55:39,120 --> 01:55:41,880
Speaker 15: players to elevate each other. He believes that the coaching

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01:55:41,960 --> 01:55:44,000
Speaker 15: is what's supposed to be doing that. And I think

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01:55:44,040 --> 01:55:46,600
Speaker 15: that's why Brady got so frustrated when his last year's here,

2604
01:55:46,720 --> 01:55:49,520
Speaker 15: is that Bill just does things his way, and he

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01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:51,560
Speaker 15: hasn't adapted, and he hasn't involved.

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01:55:51,240 --> 01:55:51,640
Speaker 11: In the game.

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01:55:51,920 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 15: He doesn't realize you need playmakers to try to bring

2608
01:55:54,920 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 15: up your entire team. And he's always been saying, hey,

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01:55:58,040 --> 01:56:00,360
Speaker 15: you know, I got my middle class. Like at my

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01:56:00,400 --> 01:56:03,080
Speaker 15: middle class, I'm good to going and on offense especially

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01:56:03,200 --> 01:56:05,880
Speaker 15: it doesn't work. And I'm just curious as to what

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01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:07,560
Speaker 15: you guys think, is he going to be able to,

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01:56:08,560 --> 01:56:11,120
Speaker 15: you know, get over the hump? And I don't know

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01:56:11,160 --> 01:56:12,480
Speaker 15: if he'll do it with Mac or if you need

2615
01:56:12,600 --> 01:56:15,280
Speaker 15: somebody else there, but you know, he just he seems

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01:56:15,320 --> 01:56:17,920
Speaker 15: to think that he can the coaches can make something

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01:56:18,080 --> 01:56:20,440
Speaker 15: happen with whatever they got, and I just feel that

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01:56:20,560 --> 01:56:23,960
Speaker 15: that's that is a big, big drawback for his style

2619
01:56:24,040 --> 01:56:25,920
Speaker 15: and the team in general. Thank you.

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01:56:27,200 --> 01:56:29,040
Speaker 8: We went into this season like and I think so

2621
01:56:29,200 --> 01:56:32,400
Speaker 8: much of what our conversations were about or exactly what

2622
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 8: played out on Sunday, and I think that that's where

2623
01:56:34,120 --> 01:56:38,560
Speaker 8: my I am so frustrated about it is because we said, yeah,

2624
01:56:38,720 --> 01:56:41,520
Speaker 8: it'll look better and they'll score more points or they'll

2625
01:56:41,560 --> 01:56:45,680
Speaker 8: be more efficient offensively. But when it's third in whatever

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01:56:45,880 --> 01:56:49,520
Speaker 8: and they need a play, do they have a quarterback

2627
01:56:49,560 --> 01:56:51,280
Speaker 8: and do they have receivers that can go out and

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01:56:51,360 --> 01:56:55,640
Speaker 8: make a play and they it played out exactly like that.

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01:56:57,120 --> 01:56:59,400
Speaker 1: Let's see. Cody writes in last year was absolutely a

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01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:02,200
Speaker 1: last year was a fireable offense by any other person

2631
01:57:02,280 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 1: in the league not named Bill Belichick, if they would

2632
01:57:04,880 --> 01:57:07,280
Speaker 1: have made that decision to let Patricia run an offense

2633
01:57:07,720 --> 01:57:10,520
Speaker 1: a last year plus, no talent on offense is going

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01:57:10,600 --> 01:57:12,920
Speaker 1: to make it impossible to win shootouts of any kind

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01:57:13,000 --> 01:57:16,080
Speaker 1: of game where they need drives and playmaking. If the

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01:57:16,160 --> 01:57:18,760
Speaker 1: forty nine ers drafted mac Jones instead of Trey Lance

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01:57:18,800 --> 01:57:20,560
Speaker 1: three years ago, the forty nine ers may be on

2638
01:57:20,680 --> 01:57:23,560
Speaker 1: a three peat. Watch it matters who is coaching, what

2639
01:57:23,720 --> 01:57:27,320
Speaker 1: playmakers you have. Mac Jones has had below average situation

2640
01:57:27,480 --> 01:57:28,440
Speaker 1: in both categories.

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01:57:29,320 --> 01:57:31,200
Speaker 3: Do we really think that I've heard that set a

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01:57:31,240 --> 01:57:33,680
Speaker 3: lot that the forty nine ers would be a dynasty

2643
01:57:33,760 --> 01:57:35,040
Speaker 3: right now if they had mac Jones.

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01:57:35,240 --> 01:57:37,120
Speaker 6: I don't think it, because I think at some point

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01:57:37,200 --> 01:57:39,400
Speaker 6: to win titles you have to win games that are

2646
01:57:39,480 --> 01:57:42,840
Speaker 6: different ways, high scoring, come from behind, I don't think.

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01:57:42,920 --> 01:57:44,800
Speaker 1: But if you have the players around you, you have

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01:57:44,960 --> 01:57:46,240
Speaker 1: different ways to win the game.

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01:57:46,760 --> 01:57:48,960
Speaker 6: That's one of the great unknowns. You might be right right,

2650
01:57:49,000 --> 01:57:50,720
Speaker 6: you don't know, it might be right here.

2651
01:57:51,240 --> 01:57:53,640
Speaker 1: Like I'm not dismissing that like that he would be

2652
01:57:53,760 --> 01:57:56,120
Speaker 1: good with forty or a team like that.

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01:57:56,640 --> 01:57:57,480
Speaker 3: Sure it would be good.

2654
01:57:57,600 --> 01:57:59,640
Speaker 6: There's a difference between being good and being going for

2655
01:57:59,800 --> 01:58:03,520
Speaker 6: three Okay, that's yeah. Like, but I think to win

2656
01:58:03,600 --> 01:58:05,480
Speaker 6: it all, you need to find a way to win

2657
01:58:05,560 --> 01:58:06,440
Speaker 6: a game in a different way.

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01:58:06,520 --> 01:58:08,400
Speaker 1: I mean, do you think that brock Party is made

2659
01:58:08,880 --> 01:58:11,240
Speaker 1: It's made to look better because of that team, of.

2660
01:58:11,280 --> 01:58:16,320
Speaker 6: Course, of course, but brock Party hasn't won anything. He's

2661
01:58:16,360 --> 01:58:19,800
Speaker 6: won games, right exactly, And I think Jones won games

2662
01:58:19,880 --> 01:58:24,160
Speaker 6: two except for one. Yeah, okay, but he doesn't lose

2663
01:58:24,400 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 6: because it happened in a different way.

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01:58:27,400 --> 01:58:27,720
Speaker 1: I think.

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01:58:27,920 --> 01:58:29,880
Speaker 4: To the point, I've said this multiple times on this show.

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01:58:30,080 --> 01:58:32,600
Speaker 4: When you look at Mac Jones at Alabama, he had

2667
01:58:32,840 --> 01:58:36,560
Speaker 4: five star everything, elite everything, like he never if he

2668
01:58:36,640 --> 01:58:39,160
Speaker 4: had to play Georgia now, like the Georgia now, he

2669
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,000
Speaker 4: would have had to find a way to win it

2670
01:58:41,000 --> 01:58:42,760
Speaker 4: in a different way. He didn't have to do that then,

2671
01:58:42,960 --> 01:58:45,920
Speaker 4: and that's why he's struggling so much now. He never

2672
01:58:46,000 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 4: had to persevere, he never had to have ice in

2673
01:58:47,720 --> 01:58:49,080
Speaker 4: his veins, he never had to be clutched.

2674
01:58:49,520 --> 01:58:50,120
Speaker 5: He was just good.

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01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:53,440
Speaker 8: So he had great talent around. But now, and that's

2676
01:58:53,920 --> 01:58:56,720
Speaker 8: again like people that say, oh this is like a

2677
01:58:56,760 --> 01:59:00,720
Speaker 8: good we're thirty three starts into it. Yeah, and so

2678
01:59:01,640 --> 01:59:04,600
Speaker 8: he hasn't shown that ability that you just laid out

2679
01:59:05,960 --> 01:59:09,080
Speaker 8: in thirty three games that he started in the NFL.

2680
01:59:09,640 --> 01:59:12,680
Speaker 8: So I just at some point you got to show it,

2681
01:59:12,800 --> 01:59:14,360
Speaker 8: like you have to have actual results. It can't just

2682
01:59:14,400 --> 01:59:16,320
Speaker 8: be like, well it could be there, like it's got.

2683
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:16,680
Speaker 10: To be a boy.

2684
01:59:16,760 --> 01:59:19,160
Speaker 6: Fred I like their chances to do it Sunday night

2685
01:59:19,800 --> 01:59:22,760
Speaker 6: against Miami. I do yeah, Oh I like the spot.

2686
01:59:23,320 --> 01:59:26,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll see. We'll get the pitch later in the week.

2687
01:59:27,200 --> 01:59:30,120
Speaker 1: But that's it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered. We'll

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01:59:30,120 --> 01:59:33,200
Speaker 1: be back tomorrow. Anything going on today, man, I need

2689
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:33,839
Speaker 1: to say.

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01:59:33,880 --> 01:59:36,600
Speaker 6: No, all right, have one last line, just to go

2691
01:59:36,720 --> 01:59:39,720
Speaker 6: back to that caller Cherry picking the absolute worst game

2692
01:59:39,800 --> 01:59:41,680
Speaker 6: that Josh Allen's ever had in his career and saying

2693
01:59:41,720 --> 01:59:45,640
Speaker 6: that's what he is is like beyond Paul like disingenuousness.

2694
01:59:46,760 --> 01:59:49,080
Speaker 6: That was literally the worst game Josh Allen's ever played

2695
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:50,120
Speaker 6: and that's.

2696
01:59:49,960 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 5: What he is.

2697
01:59:51,240 --> 01:59:52,840
Speaker 1: That made me like, well, I think the Jets had

2698
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:54,760
Speaker 1: something to do with that, but okay, no, but.

2699
01:59:54,760 --> 01:59:57,000
Speaker 6: I'm just saying he played an awful game. He did,

2700
01:59:57,280 --> 02:00:00,520
Speaker 6: and that's what he is. Just what's the comment, Well.

2701
02:00:00,400 --> 02:00:01,840
Speaker 1: He's becoming what he's supposed to be.

2702
02:00:02,000 --> 02:00:05,080
Speaker 6: Let's put it, okay, the second best quarterback in football

2703
02:00:05,160 --> 02:00:05,520
Speaker 6: last year.

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02:00:05,880 --> 02:00:08,120
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02:00:09,080 --> 02:00:12,880
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