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Speaker 1: eight four four hundred Buck. That's eight four four to

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Speaker 1: it is a great day to be in the radio business,

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Speaker 1: the FBI not pursuing charges against Flynn. That's a new

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Speaker 1: much of the reporting from the Times and others that

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Speaker 1: are going with this as Trump calls it, the Russia ruse,

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Speaker 1: but are going with this Russia story. What they're saying

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Speaker 1: is that the president is compromised and that they think

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Speaker 1: they think that he would betray his country on behalf

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Speaker 1: of Russia. That is what they are saying. I mean,

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Speaker 1: that's what all of this is really about. Yes, in fact,

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Speaker 1: I'm glad you bring that up because I'm writing about

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Speaker 1: General Flynn again for my weekend column and I want

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Speaker 1: people to understand exactly the point you've just made. There's

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Speaker 1: a variety of different authorities that a person can be

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Speaker 1: investigated under, assuming that he's done something to to trigger

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Speaker 1: the need for an investigation. And as you know, buck

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Speaker 1: the the FBI, on the national security side of the House,

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Speaker 1: not the criminal investigative side of the House, gets a

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Speaker 1: lot of slack because part of the mission is intelligence collection,

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Speaker 1: which is which is a little more amorphous than investigating

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Speaker 1: a crime, where you have to have probable cause of

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Speaker 1: a particular kind of transaction. But all that said, if

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Speaker 1: you're targeting somebody for this kind of investigation, you are

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Speaker 1: saying you think you have probable cause that they are

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Speaker 1: agents of a foreign power. And I must say that

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Speaker 1: my jaw dropped when I first read that they that

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Speaker 1: after they decided not to do a criminal investigation last

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Speaker 1: year during the presidential campaign on the basis of some

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Speaker 1: server that was in Trump Tower, that they were worried

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Speaker 1: about connections with a Russian bank. Instead of dropping the

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Speaker 1: whole thing, the Justice Department and the FBI went back

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Speaker 1: to UH went to the FISA court to try to

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Speaker 1: get authority to investigate Trump and and some of his

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Speaker 1: associates under under that authority, which is really quite stunning,

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Speaker 1: not just on its face, but but given the fact

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Speaker 1: that everybody was hysterical over Trump suggesting that he'd have

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Speaker 1: a special prosecutor investigate Hillary Clinton, and everybody went crazy

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Speaker 1: and was all indignant. Well, now we know the Obama

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Speaker 1: administration was actually investigating Trump. It's it's stunning. This and

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Speaker 1: this whole, this whole story, the whole Russia ruse, lies

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Speaker 1: on top of of a foundation of Donald Trump is

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Speaker 1: so either compromised by or in love with Putin and

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Speaker 1: Russia that he would that he would collude with them

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Speaker 1: to undermine democracy here and sell out his country. I

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Speaker 1: just if they want to say the president's a trader,

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Speaker 1: they should just come out and say he's a trader.

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Speaker 1: They should stop with as well. We're just looking into

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Speaker 1: whether we can prove that he would sell out his

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Speaker 1: country to the Russians, because we think that's what happened.

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Speaker 1: That that's the way the storyline keeps playing out. But

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Speaker 1: I want to move Andy just to to something that

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Speaker 1: I think got are too little attention this week, given

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Speaker 1: the Flynn resignation everything else going on, And it's this

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Speaker 1: ruling in Virginia from Judge bring Chema bring keema um

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Speaker 1: Under about the Executive Order, in which a judge and

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Speaker 1: a federal judge in Virginia has said Trump's executive Order

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Speaker 1: is explicitly religious bigotry and therefore into the First Amendment,

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Speaker 1: it is unacceptable. This is in addition to the what

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Speaker 1: we saw with the the part of the Ninth Circuit

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Speaker 1: Court of Appeals out West. What do you make of this,

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Speaker 1: because this was not a shot shot across the bow.

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Speaker 1: This is a shot into the bow of the executive Order. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well it's a it's I think it's a silly ruling,

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Speaker 1: uh in a silly opinion. It'll hopefully it'll kind of

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Speaker 1: get lost in the ether buck because the Trump administration,

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Speaker 1: the Justice Department told the Ninth Circuit today that the

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Speaker 1: President was going to rescind and replace his executive order.

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Speaker 1: So I think events will supersede Judge Brenkama. But you know,

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Speaker 1: people should realize she's the judge who mishandled the Massali case. Um.

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Speaker 1: You know, uh, this kind of stuff comes out of

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Speaker 1: their every now and then. Anyone who looks at the

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Speaker 1: four corners of that order would absolutely know. It's not

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Speaker 1: a Muslim van in the sense that she's talking about.

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Speaker 1: It's not bigot tree in the sense that Cheese talking about.

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Speaker 1: The seven Muslim majority countries that are cited are not

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Speaker 1: cited because they're Muslim majority countries. They're cited because there's

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Speaker 1: an Obama era statute that cites them because of terrorism connections.

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Speaker 1: That makes it difficult, if not impossible, for us to

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Speaker 1: screen people from those countries who want to come here.

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Speaker 1: That's what it's about. That's common sense. If common sense

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Speaker 1: is now bigotry, there's gonna be a lot of bigots

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Speaker 1: in this country, right. But again, just to to cut

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Speaker 1: through all of the in this case Legal East. Before

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Speaker 1: we're cutting through the media's dancing around, this is a

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Speaker 1: federal judge saying that Trump's order, well, really actually that

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Speaker 1: Trump is bigoted. She cited his campaign statements in this decision.

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Speaker 1: So you've got a federal judge saying that the president

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Speaker 1: is a bigot. That's what she's saying. Yeah, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's you know, it's really stunning in this sense. Book

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Speaker 1: the law tells us, in our constitutional traditions tell us

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Speaker 1: that in the absence of express, explicit indication that one

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Speaker 1: of the branches of government is doing something wrong, illegal, immoral,

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Speaker 1: what have you, each branch is supposed to respect the

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Speaker 1: other branch and give it the benefit of the doubt.

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Speaker 1: And that's important here because what's what's under consideration in

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Speaker 1: that court is not Trump's campaign stump speeches. There is

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Speaker 1: a formal executive order. It exists on four corners of

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Speaker 1: a document, and it it rises a falls on its own,

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Speaker 1: and what it explicitly relies on is not campaign purple prose,

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Speaker 1: but federal statutes that you can get and you know,

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Speaker 1: trace what Trump says he wants to do to the

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Speaker 1: authority that he cites. And there's clearly it's permissible. So

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Speaker 1: you know this going outside of the order, Uh, and

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Speaker 1: then relying on his campaign speeches and putting the worst

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Speaker 1: spin on it is wrong about eight ways to Sunday. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and from what I read and and bring Cama, how

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Speaker 1: do we say it? Andy, I'm sorry, bring him a

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Speaker 1: there we go, bring him a Judge brink him is

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Speaker 1: a ruling here. She could say that if Trump wants

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Speaker 1: to enforce existing immigration law, that's that's not okay because

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Speaker 1: Trump is a biggot who doesn't like who doesn't like

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Speaker 1: Mexican people, and then then that she could overturn his

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Speaker 1: his immigration orders based on that, because if it's just

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Speaker 1: based on what you think Trump thinks about people, not

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Speaker 1: the law, as you say, well, then you can just

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Speaker 1: make it up as you go along, can't you. Yeah? Well,

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Speaker 1: what if we started to take the position Buck that

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Speaker 1: we don't have to follow Judge brink him his rulings

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Speaker 1: because she says a lot of dumb things. Uh, and

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Speaker 1: she gets reversed from time to time. Uh, and therefore

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Speaker 1: she's not reliable, so let's not follow her rulings. I'm

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Speaker 1: essentially that's what she's saying. She's saying that you know,

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Speaker 1: whatever predisposition you have about the tribunal that you happen

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Speaker 1: to be in front of, or the or the you know,

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Speaker 1: the government official that is allowed to act in the circumstances,

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Speaker 1: you're allowed to bring your subjective baggage to that, uh,

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Speaker 1: to that transaction rather than just say, Okay, you know,

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Speaker 1: he's the president. He's got the authority to do this,

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Speaker 1: and if there's not a legal reason to invalidate it,

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Speaker 1: I can't. Because I happen to not like him and

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Speaker 1: not like his politics and not like the way he speaks,

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Speaker 1: I get to not follow the law. I mean, that's

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Speaker 1: that's the law of the jungle. Yeah, this is this

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Speaker 1: is lawlessness from the federal bench, and it's it's no

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Speaker 1: other way to put it. H Andrew McCarthy is a

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Speaker 1: former U S attorney. He is a bestselling author. Read

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Speaker 1: his latest and National Review dot com, and if you're

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Speaker 1: not already, follow him on Twitter. Andy. Great to have you,

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Speaker 1: Thanks for sharing your expertise. Come back soon, thanks so much. Alright,

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Speaker 1: seem buck, We've got a lot more in the Freedom Hunt.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna be back right after this break. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the Freedom Hunt, my friends, it's lit in here.

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Speaker 1: As I hear the cool kids say, all the lines

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Speaker 1: are lit up. We've got Dave in Arizona. You're on

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Speaker 1: the Bucks Accent show. My friend welcome Shields High. What

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Speaker 1: a show, She'll tell him. A man, how you doing?

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Speaker 1: Oh great? And I'm so glad your new show is fantastic.

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Speaker 1: This is the best thing that happened to our afternoons.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Man. Well, I gotta tell you

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Speaker 1: listening to you and I want to disrupt your monologue,

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Speaker 1: which was fantastic, But after eight years, you hit it

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Speaker 1: right on the head. After eight years of the propagandists

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Speaker 1: in the media and a Mussolini posturing Castro like answering president,

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Speaker 1: it's so it's such a breath of fresh air to

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Speaker 1: have this counter propagandist in the form of Trump, who

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Speaker 1: speaks honestly and like you said that whether you like

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Speaker 1: what he says, his style subliminally speaks of human communication,

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Speaker 1: honest counter propagandist, I mean, and that's the only way

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Speaker 1: you can define it. I mean, we've had this constant,

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Speaker 1: as you said, this cacophony of propaganda, and now just

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Speaker 1: in this afternoon, this fresh I've been waiting to hear

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Speaker 1: your opinion all afternoon after the conference because it was

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Speaker 1: so remarkable and affected me as a viewer. Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: was sitting the whole time saying, this is entertaining. I

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Speaker 1: like everything that he's like, everything more or less that

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Speaker 1: he's saying. And you could just tell the press are

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Speaker 1: they do not want to adjust to this new reality

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Speaker 1: and this is very personal for them. They feel like

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Speaker 1: they feel like they shouldn't be called out for coasting

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Speaker 1: as cloaked democrats, you know, democrats, stealth democrats who get

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Speaker 1: to pretend that they're just journalists when we all know

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Speaker 1: that every look, every person in that room and that

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Speaker 1: in that West Wing press office or press conference has

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Speaker 1: a point of view and represents an organization that either

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Speaker 1: excuse left or excuse right, and we should just all

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Speaker 1: be honest about this, and that the press wants to

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Speaker 1: pretend that they're still these honest brokers with no political ideology.

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Speaker 1: I just don't want to hear it anymore. But in

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Speaker 1: shield time, and thank you very much for calling in.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Uh Ken in Mississippi on w BUV.

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Speaker 1: What's up, Ken, Hey Buck? How you doing good? Sir?

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Speaker 1: You know I told you your call screener that I

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Speaker 1: was going to talk about the press conference, but the

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Speaker 1: gentleman just before me did a good enough job with that.

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Speaker 1: But there's some thanks that's going on. It really do

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Speaker 1: bother me, like the reports that President Obama is running

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Speaker 1: a counter presidency campaign two miles from the White House,

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Speaker 1: and he's got thirty thousand, uh, an army of thirty

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Speaker 1: thousand people who are out of this that that make

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Speaker 1: up the protesters. And I wished at some point you

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Speaker 1: would have a show about that one day, because that

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Speaker 1: needs to be out there. And I think charges me

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Speaker 1: to be brought up if that's true, and he's running

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Speaker 1: this campaign that is bringing violence and everything else to

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Speaker 1: these cities, with these protests and riots and everything else,

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Speaker 1: he needs to be held accountable for that. Well, you

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Speaker 1: think that Obama is is somehow involved with the protests

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Speaker 1: riots that we saw in d C. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: he might. He might have created a climate where progressive

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Speaker 1: protesters think that stuff is okay, And I think that

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Speaker 1: he did. I think we could have that discussion and

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Speaker 1: I would even argue that that's that's true, that he

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Speaker 1: did create a climate where progressives feel like they're just

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Speaker 1: the righteous and everybody else needs to be you know,

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Speaker 1: stamped out and kicked out of the public square. But

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Speaker 1: I don't know if I don't. I have seen nothing

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Speaker 1: to suggest that Obama is directly tied to any of that,

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Speaker 1: So I just want to be careful that we make

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Speaker 1: sure we stay with the facts here. Do you do

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Speaker 1: you have you seen any thing that suggested Obama was

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Speaker 1: behind I mean, not behind it, but involved with it

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Speaker 1: at all, because I haven't seen that. Yeah, I've seen

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Speaker 1: an articles published articles that we're talking about this organization

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Speaker 1: that he's set up. I think it's like f O

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Speaker 1: R O f R or whatever. I don't know about that.

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Speaker 1: The organization he's set up was kind of like an

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Speaker 1: army of these uh Lynsky heights that uh you know,

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Speaker 1: he's trained and everything else. You maybe do a little

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Speaker 1: little research on that. But yes, sir, I've got I can.

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Speaker 1: You've given my homework for the weekend. I will get

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Speaker 1: on I promise. I'm a diligent man. I will look

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Speaker 1: into this. But thank you for calling in from I'm

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Speaker 1: sorry we only have about twenty seconds, but go ahead, Okay.

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Speaker 1: I was just gonna one other thing. I was gonna

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Speaker 1: bring up was why don't we impeach this judge? As

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Speaker 1: Judge Robard or whatever is saying, you know, why can't

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Speaker 1: why why don't we do? I agreed, Ken, it's time

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Speaker 1: to impeach some judges. We'll have to touch on that

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Speaker 1: in the second hour. UH team will be back in

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Speaker 1: just a few. The things that matter most in your

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Speaker 1: day to day life are too important to trust to

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Speaker 1: just anyone. That's that's why, that's why he's here. Bud

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Speaker 1: Sexton with America Now, Sharp Mind, strong voice, Blug Sexton,

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexon broadcasting to you all from the Freedom Hunt

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Speaker 1: here in n y C. We're joined now by my

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Speaker 1: buddy Guy Benson. Guy is a Fox News contributor. He's

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Speaker 1: the author of End of Discussion and town hall dot

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Speaker 1: COM's politics editor. Guy. Great to have you, sir, Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us. Hello Buck, good to be here. All right.

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Speaker 1: First of all, you know, I think didn't did Trump

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Speaker 1: give a shout out to town Hall or to town Hall?

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Speaker 1: Definitely got a question in there, I think some other

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Speaker 1: people what was a Katie Pavlich And what are we

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Speaker 1: gonna see Guy Benson throwing throwing down in the West Wing.

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Speaker 1: Well that was yesterday during the joint session with Benjamin

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Speaker 1: Netan Yahoo. My colleague Katie Pavlich, who is sort of

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Speaker 1: a de facto member of the White House Press Corps

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Speaker 1: now she's sort of pulling double duties for us. She

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Speaker 1: was there and she was called upon by the President

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Speaker 1: to ask a question. She asked a very good question

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Speaker 1: of Trump, a very good one of net and Yahoo.

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Speaker 1: And there was a lot of meltdown yesterday from the

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Speaker 1: press saying Trump's only picking on friendly sources and conservative sources,

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Speaker 1: and he's not taking real questions from real journalists. And

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Speaker 1: it was look, I agree that picking three of three

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Speaker 1: arguably right leaning outlets and shutting everyone else out could

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Speaker 1: be objectionable. Um, no one ended up asking about the

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Speaker 1: Russian news of the day yesterday of the media was

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Speaker 1: curious about that. But Katie can never be confused with

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Speaker 1: a hardcore Trump supporter. She contributed to the famous National

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Speaker 1: Review Never Trump edition, and the questions that she asked

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Speaker 1: were on point, journalistic, relevant and good. So it was.

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Speaker 1: It was a silly freak out at her and town Hall,

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Speaker 1: but it caught the attention to the president. The White

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Speaker 1: House decided, let's do a press conference today, which they did,

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Speaker 1: and Uh, it was a dooz. Yeah. Wow. I didn't

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Speaker 1: realize this chain of events. So because of some of

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Speaker 1: the because of what happened yesterday, that's what prompted the

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Speaker 1: press conference today. I mean, I'm also sure the White

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Speaker 1: House realized that they really did need to change the

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Speaker 1: narrative from you know, Vladimir Putin has a has a

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Speaker 1: little like voodoo doll of Donald Trump that he makes

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Speaker 1: do whatever he wants right there. This is what the

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Speaker 1: this is what they're always trying to get at, and

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Speaker 1: I keep saying, just please, someone give me one bit

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Speaker 1: of evidence. We have people in the intelligence community or

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Speaker 1: in the former White House, we're not sure which. It's

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Speaker 1: tough to know. Based on the way that media sourcing

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Speaker 1: this that are releasing highly classified information to the press

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Speaker 1: to undermine the Trump administration to make Mike Flynn look bad.

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Speaker 1: I would think that, given that people with that kind

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Speaker 1: of access are willing to break the law and commit

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Speaker 1: a felony to hurt the administration, if there was some

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Speaker 1: really juicy stuff out there, there'd be something that they

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Speaker 1: could have that's better that they've already released. I would

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just that's just my analysis of it.

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Speaker 1: But I'm waiting for some hard evidence. I have seen none.

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Speaker 1: And even Chef Smith today on Fox was asking, h yes,

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Speaker 1: Senator Warner, do you guys have any evidence? And Warner

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Speaker 1: goes about the answers, No, they do not, right, And

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Speaker 1: so a couple of things to unpack here. First of all,

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Speaker 1: to me that there there are some weird and troubling

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Speaker 1: connections with Trump and his orbit and the Russians. There's

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Speaker 1: something there that doesn't smell completely right. I can't put

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Speaker 1: my finger on it. I'm not making any sort of

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Speaker 1: salacious allegations. I just think that the investigation by the

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Speaker 1: FBI is appropriate. By the Senate Intelligence Committee, they should

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Speaker 1: do their work. But that being said, the assumptions that

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Speaker 1: are being drawn and are being intentionally teddled by the

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Speaker 1: media with these big, glaring headlines about connections to Russia

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Speaker 1: and communications during the campaign and Russian intelligence. When you

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Speaker 1: actually read even the stories that are driving this narrative

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Speaker 1: from the New York Times and from CNN, when you

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Speaker 1: read down paragraph after paragraph into these stories, they admits,

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Speaker 1: and the officials, the anonymous officials quoted admit there is

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Speaker 1: absolutely no evidence of collusion or coordination with the Trump campaign,

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Speaker 1: and we know that they had access to communications and

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Speaker 1: two phone calls. They have the con the the actual

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Speaker 1: content of what went on, and if that content does

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Speaker 1: not prove coordination, that leaves me scratching my head about

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Speaker 1: why this is a giant scandal. And the second part

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Speaker 1: of it, buck is both stories CNN and New York

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Speaker 1: Times say it is not unusual for people who have

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Speaker 1: done business with Russia or even campaign operatives to be

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Speaker 1: in touch with people connected to Russian intelligence. So to me,

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Speaker 1: that's the double whammy here of of a nothing burger.

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Speaker 1: Show me something real, have the investigation, give me something

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Speaker 1: legitimate that was wrong as posed to just speculation and conjecture,

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Speaker 1: and we'll have a conversation. But for now, they're there

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Speaker 1: there right, and I think a very you make a

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Speaker 1: very important point, guy, with they have whoever leaked the

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Speaker 1: information about Flynn had access to that transcript. I guarantee

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Speaker 1: that if there was anything in that transcript that was

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Speaker 1: really damning when it comes to Flynn, beyond that, he

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Speaker 1: apparently talked about, you know, the new administration, and we're

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Speaker 1: gonna look at some things. We'll look at sanctions, whatever

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Speaker 1: that may have been. If it was really bad. We

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Speaker 1: would know verbatim what was said, because that's what would

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Speaker 1: be the most effective way to undermine him. But they

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Speaker 1: didn't say that. They just said, well, he did, he

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Speaker 1: lied to the Vice president. He did talk about the

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Speaker 1: sanctions or whatever it was, and and that's all we got.

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Speaker 1: So I just I want to point that out that once,

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Speaker 1: because people have already broken that bright red they've already crossed,

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Speaker 1: rather that bright red line of you don't release what

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Speaker 1: would most likely be top secret information based on the

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Speaker 1: collection platforms that that would probably likely be involved here.

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Speaker 1: You don't just release that to the press because it

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Speaker 1: makes someone look dumb. Okay, but I got I got

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Speaker 1: some other political stuff I gotta ask you about, guy,

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Speaker 1: and first and first, I want to ask you about

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Speaker 1: the the e p A. Looks like there's some stuff

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Speaker 1: going on with Trump and the e p A. What

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Speaker 1: did the one a one line one line e p

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Speaker 1: A bill? What are they doing here? I have not

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Speaker 1: paid much attention to that all I know. My focus

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Speaker 1: on the e p A has been on the confirmation

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Speaker 1: battle over Scott Pruitt. Who is you know, I think

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Speaker 1: you could argue, you know, a state attorney general from

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Speaker 1: a state that is very hostile to at least the

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Speaker 1: Obama administration's e p A. And now it looks like

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Speaker 1: he is probably good to go. In terms of confirmation.

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Speaker 1: There have been at least two Democrats who have come out,

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Speaker 1: I think Joe Mentioned and Heidi heit Camp their offices

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Speaker 1: have announced that they will be voting in favor of

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Speaker 1: Scott Pruitt in his nomination. There. You know, even if

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Speaker 1: there's a defection or two from you, Susan Collins or

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Speaker 1: something like that on the Republican side, you're gonna have

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Speaker 1: some long you're gonna have a very very different man

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Speaker 1: in charge of the e p A. And you know,

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Speaker 1: I've spoken back to a couple of my buddies on

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Speaker 1: Capitol Hill Republicans who one of the things that really

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Speaker 1: stuck in their craws about the Obama administration is how

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Speaker 1: intensely politicized the Obama Energy and e p A departments were,

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Speaker 1: And they really did a lot of power grabbing to

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Speaker 1: set a very radical in some cases agenda on behalf

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Speaker 1: of of what they are here. You know, deep pocketed

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Speaker 1: green environmentalist interest, which is a very powerful lobby in

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Speaker 1: the Democratic Party with lots of money, and I think

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Speaker 1: what we're seeing from Trump at energy and especially e

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Speaker 1: p A. He's saying, all right, if if you want

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Speaker 1: to get really political these positions and put sort of

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Speaker 1: ideological warriors in those spots, uh, we're gonna do the same.

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Speaker 1: So hell, are Rick Terry and Scott Pruett? How do

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Speaker 1: you like them apples? And uh, you know both. When

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Speaker 1: I was trying to bring up with you guy, and

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Speaker 1: I just saw it myself, and of course when I

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Speaker 1: was trying to pull it up so I could read

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Speaker 1: you the quote, my computer froze. That's you know, day

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Speaker 1: a day in the life of Buck in the Freedom Hunt.

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Speaker 1: But but I know it's it's either the Russians or

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Speaker 1: so Ros. It's one or the other. But a Republican

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Speaker 1: This is from the Daily Callers site. There were a

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Speaker 1: Republican back legislation to eliminate the Environmental Protection Agency is

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Speaker 1: one of the shortest bills Congress is dealt within a while.

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Speaker 1: Quote the the e p A shall terminate on December thirteen,

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Speaker 1: is all the bill says A Florida Representative, Matt Gates

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Speaker 1: is he introduced the bill. There's I guess that's a

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Speaker 1: that's a way of saying, well, we're really gonna we're

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Speaker 1: really gonna take it to the e p A. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna get rid of the e p A. Um. But

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Speaker 1: also we've got Harvard turning down and this is just

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Speaker 1: breaking now. So everybody, we got breaking news for you.

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Speaker 1: And I'm the guy. I know we got you on

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Speaker 1: the phone here, so you might not have a chance

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Speaker 1: to see yourself, but I'm sure you've been following the

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Speaker 1: follow up to what what do they do now? With

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Speaker 1: the n s A Flynn resigning? Hard word was the

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Speaker 1: top pick. Thank heavens, it wasn't betrays that is a

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Speaker 1: terrible idea. I can't even believe they're thinking about it personally.

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Speaker 1: But anyway, Harward it said no, And you know what,

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Speaker 1: I don't blame the guy. I can understand why he

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Speaker 1: would say no. What what say you? First of all,

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Speaker 1: I would, going back to your previous point, it would

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Speaker 1: be ironic and conceivable and plausible that the actual new

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Speaker 1: head of the EPA may support the bill to eliminate

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Speaker 1: the e p A. But national Security Advisor, I mean,

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Speaker 1: if you're I don't know this guy's politics. He seems like,

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Speaker 1: for what i've briefly red, like a very strong character

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Speaker 1: with a wonderful record. So I have no idea what's

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Speaker 1: motivating him. But if you are looking at what's happening

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Speaker 1: within Trump's national security apparatus right now and the turmoil there,

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Speaker 1: despite what the President said today that every thing is

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Speaker 1: a finely tune machine, you look at that and you

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Speaker 1: might think yourself, you know, whatever time I've got right

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Speaker 1: now might be just fine, And I don't want to

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Speaker 1: step into that situation given the upheaval, and you know

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Speaker 1: that that maybe the calculation that he made and going

842
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Speaker 1: to be back to the drawing board for Trump and

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Speaker 1: his advisors. Yeah, look what they've done to Betsy Devas,

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Speaker 1: who look and that no one's perfect. And people point

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Speaker 1: out to me she's too supportive of common core for

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Speaker 1: their taste. She is a woman who doesn't have to

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Speaker 1: do anything and decided for the last few decades of

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Speaker 1: her life that she was going to try to help

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Speaker 1: with school choice, and then they turned her into a

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Speaker 1: laughing stock and with the whole gun and bear thing,

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Speaker 1: and uh, they they've obviously now also been able to

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Speaker 1: run puzzed her out of town. And I can just

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Speaker 1: understand why Harvard would say, you know what, I just

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Speaker 1: don't need this. But it's a shame. It's a shame

855
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Speaker 1: when good people don't want to serve their country because

856
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Speaker 1: they just don't want their reputations completely destroyed, their families humiliated.

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Speaker 1: And just so you know, Chuck Schumer and some of

858
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Speaker 1: the Democrats can feel like they're pounding their chests and

859
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Speaker 1: being good opposition. Yeah, although I mean, this is a

860
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Speaker 1: position that's not sen it confirmed, so you know, he

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Speaker 1: he wouldn't necessarily have to go through quite that although

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Speaker 1: of course, yeah, but they would still I mean, whether

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Speaker 1: they confirm it or not, they're still gonna make a

864
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Speaker 1: lot of noise about it. Oh, we don't know. And

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Speaker 1: I just I would think maybe not, maybe not maybe,

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Speaker 1: But then why is he turning it down? Guy? You

867
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Speaker 1: think he just doesn't want to work for Trump. Maybe

868
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Speaker 1: maybe he thinks that there's that it's you know, sort

869
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Speaker 1: of too unsettled and it's too much of a lightning

870
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Speaker 1: lot right now. Maybe he doesn't want his life and

871
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Speaker 1: his family dragged through this sort of mud, or at

872
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Speaker 1: least put under this very hot spotlight. There could be

873
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Speaker 1: a number of different things motivating him. I you know,

874
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Speaker 1: I don't know nearly enough to speculate. Um, but what

875
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 1: I do know is you have one guy effectively fired

876
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Speaker 1: the second choice. The Trump said today at the press conference,

877
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Speaker 1: has someone in his mind? Was that Harward? Or is

878
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Speaker 1: that someone else knowing that Hardward? It already says no. Uh,

879
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, we'll find out soon or not. So we

880
00:50:07,680 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 1: need a national security advisor. Will have one. I agree

881
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Speaker 1: with you that it ought not the David Petraeus, who

882
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Speaker 1: is someone that I really respect in a lot of

883
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Speaker 1: ways and his track record in his in his STV

884
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Speaker 1: is incredible. But he also was convicted of mishandling classified information.

885
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Speaker 1: And you know that that's a big reason why Donald

886
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Speaker 1: Trump be Hillary Clinton for the mishandling of classified information.

887
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Speaker 1: So uh, and on that point too, it is a

888
00:50:31,520 --> 00:50:35,600
Speaker 1: little bit rich to see Donald Trump just sit to

889
00:50:35,640 --> 00:50:39,560
Speaker 1: be tied and up in arms about the evil nature

890
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:42,000
Speaker 1: of these horrible leaks that are in the press that

891
00:50:42,080 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 1: are hurting him politically, when you know, wiki leaks is

892
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Speaker 1: something that he cheered on throughout the campaign and it's

893
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Speaker 1: not totally apple problem. Alright, Guy, that music means we're

894
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Speaker 1: having too much fun. But I gotta bounce everybody. If

895
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Speaker 1: you're not already follow Guy Benson on Twitter. Guy Pee Benson.

896
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Speaker 1: He is town Hall dot com is politics editor. Go

897
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Speaker 1: to town Hall dot com and you'll see him on

898
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Speaker 1: Fox News real soon. Guy, Hi five, thanks for joining

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Speaker 1: my friend eight to five. Buck Sexton continues with America

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Speaker 1: Now right after this break. Yeah, I got so fired up, Uh,

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Speaker 1: team team Buck. I got so fired up about the

902
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Speaker 1: Trump press conference. I mean it was it was musty TV.

903
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Speaker 1: I was watching it, and then I went over. I

904
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Speaker 1: did some Fox Today and in fact, those of you

905
00:51:29,800 --> 00:51:33,200
Speaker 1: who can, but obviously you should set your DVR for

906
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Speaker 1: eight o'clock on Fox Business because I'm joining Kennedy at

907
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Speaker 1: Fox News at around eight ten eastern. But set your

908
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Speaker 1: DVR because you're listening to the radio at eight eastern obviously. Uh.

909
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Speaker 1: But I was on the way over there, and I

910
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Speaker 1: made sure that I brought headphones with me so that

911
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Speaker 1: I could listen as I was on the street making

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Speaker 1: my way through Midtown Manhattan to the entire yet of

913
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Speaker 1: the press conference the Trump because I was like, this

914
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Speaker 1: is great, I've got to hear all of this. I

915
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Speaker 1: really enjoyed it. But I got so fixated on that

916
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Speaker 1: that I jumped over the main story that was getting

917
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Speaker 1: so much attention this morning. And it's this Wall Street

918
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:08,279
Speaker 1: Journal piece, which I think is interesting. I've seen it

919
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:11,239
Speaker 1: elsewhere before the Wall Street Journal. It was up last

920
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:14,840
Speaker 1: week on some lesser known sites, and people were certainly

921
00:52:14,920 --> 00:52:19,439
Speaker 1: banning about the accusation that the intelligence community, of which

922
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Speaker 1: I was formerly a little g s nobody, that the

923
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Speaker 1: intelligence community was withholding information from the President Donald Trump,

924
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Speaker 1: the commander in chief because he could not be trusted.

925
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Speaker 1: And I wanted to bring this up because that's what

926
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Speaker 1: I mean by they're accusing him of treason. I mean,

927
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Speaker 1: they're really accusing him of treason. This is not kind

928
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Speaker 1: of sort of maybe stuff. This isn't oh Buck, you

929
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Speaker 1: know you're going too far with this. No. Once you

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Speaker 1: have former or current government officials that are saying, I

931
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Speaker 1: can't tell the commander in chief sensitive stuff about Russia

932
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Speaker 1: because he's gonna give that information to Russia against our interest,

933
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Speaker 1: you are accusing the president of being a traitor to

934
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Speaker 1: his country. Because if somebody who wasn't the president did that,

935
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Speaker 1: if when I was in the CIA, again, I mean

936
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Speaker 1: you know who was I But I'm just saying we

937
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Speaker 1: were one of my colleagues in the CIA had passed

938
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Speaker 1: along information the Russians that was sensitive and classified. You'd

939
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Speaker 1: say that that's a that's a trader. So they're withholding evidence.

940
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Speaker 1: I'm sorry, they were holding intelligence, not evidence, from the

941
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Speaker 1: commander in chief because they think that he's a trader,

942
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Speaker 1: or he would be he would betray his country. This

943
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 1: is a scirless accusation and it is also based on

944
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:45,280
Speaker 1: everything we know, baseless, and yet here we are. There's

945
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Speaker 1: a lot that I want to unpack with this, and

946
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Speaker 1: if you have if you want to talk about this,

947
00:53:48,440 --> 00:53:50,520
Speaker 1: because we're gonna be we have some fantastic guest line

948
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Speaker 1: up for the rest of the show, so I won't

949
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Speaker 1: spend quite as much time and this as I had

950
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Speaker 1: originally planned. So call in eight four to five if

951
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Speaker 1: you've got a question or a comment about this, specifically,

952
00:54:00,280 --> 00:54:04,960
Speaker 1: this notion that people in the intel community are holding

953
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Speaker 1: back information from the President of the United States because

954
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Speaker 1: he cannot be trusted. I was told in my first

955
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Speaker 1: weeks at the agency, understand, you are an executive branch

956
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Speaker 1: employee at the c I A, yeah, you're a spy.

957
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: You're doing all this cool spy stuff whatever. You work

958
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Speaker 1: for the President of the United States, And people say, oh, buck,

959
00:54:23,960 --> 00:54:26,480
Speaker 1: you work for the American people. Yeah, but you you're

960
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Speaker 1: part of the executive branch. I mean, the whole mission

961
00:54:29,640 --> 00:54:32,240
Speaker 1: is the to work for the people of the United States.

962
00:54:32,360 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 1: But the boss is the president. And so if you're

963
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Speaker 1: ever in a position where the President says, I want

964
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Speaker 1: to know because they didn't want you to ever be oh, well,

965
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Speaker 1: I can't tell you that, sir, or oh sir, I'm

966
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Speaker 1: not I'm not sure if I'm allowed to tell you that.

967
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Speaker 1: The answer it's kind of like in Ghostbusters when he

968
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Speaker 1: says Ray, when somebody asks you if you're a god,

969
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Speaker 1: you say yes. When the president and you're in the

970
00:54:55,960 --> 00:54:59,720
Speaker 1: intelligence community, asks you any question Ghostbusters, great movie endorsed

971
00:54:59,760 --> 00:55:01,800
Speaker 1: by the Freedom Hup. By the way, when the president

972
00:55:01,840 --> 00:55:05,880
Speaker 1: asks you any question, you answer it on the spot

973
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Speaker 1: fully to the best of your knowledge, no hesitation. Because

974
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Speaker 1: he's the commander in chief. You don't go I need

975
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Speaker 1: I need to go and ask my supervisors at Langley False.

976
00:55:15,480 --> 00:55:17,600
Speaker 1: And I brief the president. So I'm not just pulling

977
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Speaker 1: this out of I had to go through that process

978
00:55:20,280 --> 00:55:22,600
Speaker 1: and any anything the President wanted to know, it's not

979
00:55:22,719 --> 00:55:26,320
Speaker 1: my information, it's the government's information. I tell him. So

980
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,320
Speaker 1: this this idea that there are people who are so

981
00:55:30,640 --> 00:55:34,839
Speaker 1: self righteous, so deluded, so full of themselves, that they

982
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:37,560
Speaker 1: have access to classify government information and they're not going

983
00:55:37,640 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: to share with the commander in chief because they can't

984
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:42,839
Speaker 1: trust him. That's not their call. And if they are

985
00:55:42,960 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: so sure that the president of the United States right

986
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:48,760
Speaker 1: now that Donald Trump is a traitor to his country,

987
00:55:50,160 --> 00:55:53,880
Speaker 1: they should resign immediately. They should come forward and they

988
00:55:53,920 --> 00:55:57,400
Speaker 1: should say I don't trust Donald Trump with this information.

989
00:55:57,840 --> 00:56:00,600
Speaker 1: That's why I resigned, and I'm saying that he is

990
00:56:00,600 --> 00:56:03,880
Speaker 1: a trader to his country. Ask yourself this question. If

991
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: they won't do that, why because they don't want to

992
00:56:07,400 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 1: deal with the heat. Oh, I'm sorry. We have people.

993
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:12,600
Speaker 1: You work for the government, work for the CIA. You're

994
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:15,319
Speaker 1: supposed to be at least willing to risk your life,

995
00:56:15,400 --> 00:56:18,160
Speaker 1: and many of us did in war zones and other

996
00:56:18,200 --> 00:56:20,280
Speaker 1: places abroad, and as you know, we have lost people.

997
00:56:20,400 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: That's there's the Intelligence Memorial Wall of Stars at Langley

998
00:56:25,800 --> 00:56:31,279
Speaker 1: and what we're not supposed to be willing to go

999
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: forth that? How could they They're so sure of this

1000
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:37,120
Speaker 1: that they're telling the Washington Wall Street Journal and other papers.

1001
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 1: They're so sure of this that they will withhold information

1002
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Speaker 1: from the commander in chief. When they work for the

1003
00:56:42,880 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 1: commander in chief, it's not their information in the first place,

1004
00:56:46,080 --> 00:56:52,200
Speaker 1: and that is dereliction of their duty. But they're not willing.

1005
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:54,439
Speaker 1: They're not willing to take any heat. They're not willing

1006
00:56:54,480 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 1: to expose themselves to public opprobrium, to criticism, to counter accusations.

1007
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: Well what does that say about these brave members? And

1008
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 1: I also want to say this before we have to

1009
00:57:05,840 --> 00:57:08,439
Speaker 1: go into a break here. I don't like that people

1010
00:57:08,520 --> 00:57:11,360
Speaker 1: keep saying Trump's at worth the intelligence community. There's a

1011
00:57:11,520 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 1: small faction of people that are leaking, that are trying

1012
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,800
Speaker 1: to undermine, and that are breaking the law to hurt

1013
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,440
Speaker 1: this presidency. That's not the enormous number of patriots that

1014
00:57:22,560 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 1: work the intelligence community. That's a different thing. Alright, Team,

1015
00:57:25,000 --> 00:57:30,120
Speaker 1: we've got a lot more background after this break. Buck

1016
00:57:30,960 --> 00:57:35,080
Speaker 1: is back. Everybody bucks back. It's more of America. Now

1017
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Speaker 1: throw in your two cents one eight four four nine

1018
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Speaker 1: hundred Buck. That's one eight four four d to eight

1019
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Speaker 1: to five. We're so busy in the Freedom Hut, my friends,

1020
00:57:47,600 --> 00:57:50,000
Speaker 1: Team Buck. We get so into the new cycle that

1021
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Speaker 1: sometimes there's something I want to talk to you about,

1022
00:57:52,880 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 1: but it just gets left in the cutter and floor.

1023
00:57:54,520 --> 00:57:56,640
Speaker 1: The good news is we got we get to hang

1024
00:57:56,680 --> 00:57:58,880
Speaker 1: out every day for a few hours, so I can

1025
00:57:58,920 --> 00:58:01,520
Speaker 1: always hit it the next day. There was a very

1026
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Speaker 1: interesting meeting yesterday between Prime Minister net Yahoo of Israel

1027
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Speaker 1: and Donald Trump to walk us through what we need

1028
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,080
Speaker 1: to know about this, what it means, the ins and outs,

1029
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Speaker 1: and of course how the press covered it all. We've

1030
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Speaker 1: got David if Fune. He is the editor in chief

1031
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Speaker 1: of the Alga Minor. Go check out the Alga Minor

1032
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Speaker 1: dot com dvid. Great to have you. Oh sorry, couldn't

1033
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Speaker 1: hear for a second. Thank you very much, so great

1034
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Speaker 1: to have you. So let's start with what Yahoo and Trump? Well,

1035
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Speaker 1: what what Trump said yesterday? Play the clip. I believe

1036
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Speaker 1: that for peace comes from a regional approach, from involving

1037
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Speaker 1: our new found our partners in the pursuit of a

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Speaker 1: broader piece and peace with the Palestinians. And I greatly

1039
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Speaker 1: look forward to discussing this in detail with you, Mr President,

1040
00:58:59,160 --> 00:59:03,880
Speaker 1: because I think that if we work together, we have

1041
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:07,000
Speaker 1: a shot. And we have been discussing that, and it

1042
00:59:07,160 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: is something that is very different, hasn't been discussed before,

1043
00:59:11,680 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 1: and it's actually a much bigger deal, much more important

1044
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Speaker 1: deal in a sense, Uh, it would take in many

1045
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Speaker 1: many countries and it would cover a very large territories. So, Darvin,

1046
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Speaker 1: a lot of the press focus yesterday was how Trump

1047
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Speaker 1: was on how Trump said that he's not sure the Tuesday,

1048
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Speaker 1: maybe it's a one state. He was being off the

1049
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: cuff Trump. But what was your overall impression of this

1050
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Speaker 1: meeting and what it means for US Israeli relations going forward? Well, well,

1051
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Speaker 1: first of all, it's an unprecedented upgrade. I mean, look,

1052
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Speaker 1: the truth is, under the Obioma administration, there was really

1053
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Speaker 1: only one way to go, so it couldn't really have

1054
00:59:49,160 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: gotten any worse. But Trump has really taken things to

1055
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Speaker 1: a whole new level. And you know, today we ran

1056
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Speaker 1: an interview with the best in Golka, who is a

1057
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Speaker 1: special assistant for the President, senior a the President. And

1058
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Speaker 1: one of the things you said is said the unofficial

1059
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Speaker 1: policy of the you administration is similar to that of

1060
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Speaker 1: the Marines, and that is, uh, with the with the

1061
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Speaker 1: best and I don't know if I'm quoting word for word,

1062
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Speaker 1: but the best of a friend's best to have as

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Speaker 1: a friend and and the worst enemy. The best friend

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Speaker 1: and the worst enemy, right, And he said Israel as

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Speaker 1: a friend, and we're gonna treat them like the best friend.

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Speaker 1: And there are others who run and others who are enemies,

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Speaker 1: and that's how they're going to be treated. And that's

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Speaker 1: the strongest departure from the previous administration in terms of

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Speaker 1: foreign policy, and the meeting with Israel really highlighted that

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Speaker 1: in a significant way. In terms of the major policy changes,

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Speaker 1: I think there are there are two things that are monumental.

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Speaker 1: The first one is that this administration is not putting

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Speaker 1: its finger on the scale. They're not predetermining the outcome.

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Speaker 1: They're not saying, look, you guys are gonna go negotiate,

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Speaker 1: and by the way, we're going to tell you what

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Speaker 1: results you better come up with. They're saying, listen, we

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Speaker 1: want to get you guys to the table. We're open

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Speaker 1: to any ideas of what might work as long as

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Speaker 1: the two of you agree. We're not going to tell

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Speaker 1: you what the results should be, which is what the

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Speaker 1: about administration really insisted on. The second thing, uh and

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Speaker 1: I would say it's the biggest news that everybody is

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Speaker 1: completely ignored, and possibly this was actually the Prime Minister's

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Speaker 1: biggest intention in coming here to get this from President Trump,

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Speaker 1: and that is in the in the press release statement

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Speaker 1: that was issued after the meeting the President the short

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Speaker 1: Prime Minister that yahoo that they would not allow Iran

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Speaker 1: to get nuclear weapons capability, whereas the previous administration has

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Speaker 1: always been saying they're going to stop nuclear weapons, but

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Speaker 1: not to allow nuclear weapons capability, which means around count

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Speaker 1: even have the tools that would allow it to create

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Speaker 1: the nuclear weapon at any stage. That's that could lead

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Speaker 1: to very significant policy shifts. What did you think of

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Speaker 1: so many members of the press reporting on as as

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Speaker 1: the first and most important item of the of the

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Speaker 1: whole meeting, the Trump statement about a two state or

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Speaker 1: a one state solution. Should we think of that as

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Speaker 1: so anathema? Do we have to go into this with

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Speaker 1: the previous policy frameworks in place? How do you think

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Speaker 1: that that would play out? You know, and I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's it's actually the biggest deal. I mean, it's

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Speaker 1: it's certainly a massive contrast to Obama. But the truth

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Speaker 1: is the outline here who was really about He was

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Speaker 1: the one who came along and said, look, this is

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Speaker 1: exactly how it's gonna be. Instead of pushing the israelis

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Speaker 1: right into the corner, and we saw had that lead

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Speaker 1: because you know, these guys have the backs against the

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Speaker 1: wall that they're struggling on every single border against various enemies.

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Speaker 1: It's just not gonna work. The first thing is really

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Speaker 1: need to know is that the US really does have

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Speaker 1: that back and that that their security is safe, and

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Speaker 1: then they can say, look, what's it gonna take to

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Speaker 1: make peace. I think the President's approach is the right approach,

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Speaker 1: and that is to say, listen, you guys, it's your future.

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Speaker 1: You guys are the negotiating table. You guys talked about it.

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Speaker 1: I'm not going to come and tell you what the

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Speaker 1: altom should be. And I think it's the right approach.

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Speaker 1: I think historically it's been an approach that has worked.

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Speaker 1: Uh and I think we're going to see very different

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Speaker 1: progress here than underheel plummet. And of course the media

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Speaker 1: also seized on Trump's comment about settlements. We actually have

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Speaker 1: some audio on that plate. As far as settlements, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to see you hold back on settlements for a

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Speaker 1: little bit. Will work something out, but I would like

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Speaker 1: to see a deal be made. I think a deal

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Speaker 1: will be made. BB and I have known each other

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Speaker 1: a long time, A smart man, great negotiator, and I

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Speaker 1: think we're gonna make a deal. It might be a

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Speaker 1: bigger and better deal than people in this room even

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Speaker 1: understand that's a possibility. So let's see what we do.

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Speaker 1: It's hard, doesn't sound too optimistic, but says good negotiating.

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Speaker 1: I also want to thank there's obviously a warmth between

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Speaker 1: these two that I think was visible and that was

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Speaker 1: lacking in the interactions between UH Prime Minister that Yahoo

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Speaker 1: and Obama in particularly the latter part of his presidency.

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Speaker 1: But does that give this president more leeway to be

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Speaker 1: a helpful partner for what will really be a deal

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Speaker 1: that the US is perhaps a player in in some respect,

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Speaker 1: But isn't, you know, isn't the one that's actually gonna

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Speaker 1: have to live with the consequences. Yes, well, I think

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Speaker 1: that's something that he showed that he really understands. I mean,

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Speaker 1: look his position on the settlements in terms of of

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Speaker 1: mentioning it and saying that it wasn't advisable. I think

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Speaker 1: it's kind of being a position of presidents for for

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Speaker 1: a long time. But the big difference is that the

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Speaker 1: Obama really turned that into not just the central cornerstone

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Speaker 1: of his Middle East policy, of of his Israel Palace

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Speaker 1: Palestinian policy. It was also the cornerstone of his Middle

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Speaker 1: entire and Middle East policy, and it's sent to is

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Speaker 1: it seemed to be the coast Office entire foreign policy.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there was an unbelievable obsession over this issue

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Speaker 1: in terms of grandstanding statements and and and obviously the U. N.

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Speaker 1: Security Council resolution that we just saw, so that's certainly

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Speaker 1: a departure from that. I mean, this is not the

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Speaker 1: central issue. There's a whole bunch of other things that

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Speaker 1: need to be addressed. Of course, you know the President

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Speaker 1: is saying, look, it's not advisable, but he's certainly not

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Speaker 1: coming down with a sledgehammer the way that Obama died.

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Speaker 1: What should be the first steps? If I could get

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Speaker 1: you and you're probably already a few steps ahead of

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Speaker 1: me here, I'm sure you could reach out to the

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Speaker 1: White House yourself and set this up, but just because

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Speaker 1: you know, we're hanging in the freedom ud here together,

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Speaker 1: if I could get you a sit down with Trump

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Speaker 1: and his top national security and diplomatic personnel, and they

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Speaker 1: were saying, okay, give give me the next twelve months,

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Speaker 1: not the next four years, just the next twelve months

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Speaker 1: on what needs to be done to get Israeli Palestinian

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Speaker 1: negotiations moving in the right direction and get this thing,

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Speaker 1: get this thing moving at all, because as we know,

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Speaker 1: under the Obama administration, they couldn't even get the first base.

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Speaker 1: So how do they avoid that? Well, I think the

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Speaker 1: first thing, and this is something that we saw the

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Speaker 1: beginning of today in the Senate hearing with the new

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Speaker 1: Ambassador to Israel, David Freeman, and that and that is

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Speaker 1: that it's going to be very difficult to make any

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Speaker 1: progress under the existing leadership, the leadership of Mahmudabas. I mean,

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Speaker 1: first of all, his leadership is totally legitimate. I mean

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Speaker 1: he's he's overstated his term by quite a number of years.

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Speaker 1: And second of all, he represents an old, entrenched, ideologically

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Speaker 1: motivated old god. What we need here is some of

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Speaker 1: that represents the young people, the people who are only

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Speaker 1: are looking. Their highest priority is to create a better

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Speaker 1: future for their children. It's economic, it's more safety, it's

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Speaker 1: more security. They're not guided by the radical ideology that

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Speaker 1: we've seen driving so much of Palestinian society for so

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Speaker 1: many years. So uh, I think either either Abus himself,

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Speaker 1: I mean he's already lining up session plan, either he's

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Speaker 1: going to be able to produce a massive Greek turn,

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Speaker 1: which is very unlikely, or the first step is going

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Speaker 1: to be a reassessment of the leadership structure on the

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Speaker 1: other side, to get some people in there who are pragmatists,

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Speaker 1: who are thinking about this in a practical way in

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Speaker 1: terms of what's going to be better for the future

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Speaker 1: of that people, as opposed to thinking about it in

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Speaker 1: terms of look is what our ideology is. We don't

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Speaker 1: think from the river to the sea. We don't think

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Speaker 1: those guys would be there at old and we're going

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Speaker 1: to fight tooth and nail until we get them out

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Speaker 1: of that. David Iffun is the editor in chief of

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Speaker 1: the Alga Minor. You can check it out at Alga

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Speaker 1: Minor dot com. They do great work over there, David.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you, Thanks for calling in a pleasant

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Speaker 1: but Buck Saxon with American Now continues. We've got phone

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Speaker 1: lines open eight four to five. Be right back after

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Speaker 1: the break. The Buck is back. Thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for hanging out with me in the Freedom Hunt tonight.

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Speaker 1: Great to have you, as always, by my side here,

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Speaker 1: fellow patriots. Appreciate your time very much. Five we have

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Speaker 1: UH Richard in West Virginia. Richard, welcome to the Box

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Speaker 1: Saxton Show. Thank you too much. You know, as far

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Speaker 1: as uh, it's been a while ago from your first story,

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Speaker 1: you were talking about the uh how much you enjoyed

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Speaker 1: the press conference, and there's been words us like refreshing.

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Speaker 1: It was. I think personally that Donald Trump it's gonna

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Speaker 1: be the most effective president we've ever had. Um. He

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Speaker 1: just I mean, he said things like, uh during campaign,

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Speaker 1: I just back up what I say. I just do

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Speaker 1: what I said I was gonna do, and that that

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Speaker 1: just did that. He just doesn't. He just tells the

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Speaker 1: press what he thinks of them. And I don't really

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Speaker 1: have a problem with it. You can't really tell. It

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Speaker 1: sounds like he's told him the truth to me, and

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Speaker 1: it just sounds like, hey, we've got a good man here.

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Speaker 1: That's what it sounds like to me. And he's just uh.

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Speaker 1: I mean, as far as Russia, I heard him said

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Speaker 1: of one thing he's talking about Russia, he says I

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Speaker 1: had no involvement with that whatsoever. He says that nobody

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Speaker 1: in my administration I know of as, and he said,

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Speaker 1: but Hillary Clinton did saying all kinds of good stuff

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Speaker 1: like that. I mean, he's just convincing to me. So look,

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Speaker 1: I thought I thought he has the as the as

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Speaker 1: the folks say. I thought he crushed it. I thought

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Speaker 1: he did a great job of the press conference. And um,

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Speaker 1: I don't I don't know why the press thinks that

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Speaker 1: acting like this is so uncouth and so barbarous and terrible.

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Speaker 1: And the more they do that, the more makes a

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Speaker 1: lot of people like myself. And I don't want to

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Speaker 1: speak for you, Richard, but it sounds like you might

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Speaker 1: agree with me here that you know, Trump needs to

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Speaker 1: give some of these folks in the press are talking

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Speaker 1: to you know, he needs to lay down the law

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Speaker 1: a little bit because they've just been getting away with

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Speaker 1: nonsense for far too long. That's exactly right. I've heard others,

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Speaker 1: Uh that's what he says, just completely different. And I

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Speaker 1: just don't have a problem. This sounds like he means

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Speaker 1: everything that he says, and uh, hip hip parade for

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump. That's the way I look at it. I

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Speaker 1: just think I'm sort of repeating myself, But I think

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the most effective presidents we've ever had.

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Speaker 1: All Right, Rich Shield time man West Virginia. Appreciate you

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Speaker 1: calling in. Let's take uh Joey in Georgia. Joey, how

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Speaker 1: are you listening to the show? Hey, Bock, how are

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Speaker 1: you doing? Buddy? Hey? First off, man, I just want

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Speaker 1: to tell you, welcome to my radio. I have been

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Speaker 1: listening to you for the last few years filling in

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Speaker 1: for other hosts. Welcome to your own show, my friend.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much. What station you want, I'm on

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Speaker 1: one those seven point three out of Stay Spur, Georgia.

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Speaker 1: All right, fantastic. So what's on your mind? Well, I'm

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Speaker 1: just actually earlier to know what we were talking about.

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Speaker 1: I thought press conference today it was brilliant. I obviously

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Speaker 1: agree with you. Yeah, we have. We have. We have

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Speaker 1: been waiting on somebody on our side to stand up

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Speaker 1: and do what you do today. He called him out,

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Speaker 1: He said, hey, can you arrange that meeting? I'd love

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Speaker 1: to take that meeting. If you could make that happen,

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Speaker 1: let's do it. I thought that was fantastic. Well, you know,

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Speaker 1: here's here's a perfect example, Joey, is that yesterday we

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Speaker 1: had Guy Benson all from town Hall. Guy's a friend

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Speaker 1: of mine and and he's act. Yeah, guy's an excellent,

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Speaker 1: excellent journalist and a really nice and a really nice guy.

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Speaker 1: Not to repeat his name, but a really nice dude.

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Speaker 1: And you know he's town Hall. Katie Pavich also a

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Speaker 1: really nice person and very good at her job. She

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Speaker 1: asked a question I know we're gonna get We're gonna

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Speaker 1: I just reminded myself, we're gonna ask Katie on the

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Speaker 1: show soon. The producer amy, let's get Katie on next

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Speaker 1: week if she'll if she has time to call in.

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Speaker 1: But you know, they asked questions. The questions are good questions,

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Speaker 1: but because the press didn't have people asking antagonistic, undermining questions,

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Speaker 1: it's like democracy is dead in the First Amendment's been

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Speaker 1: lit on fire, you know, as though they're not going

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01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:12,320
Speaker 1: to get plenty of opportunities to ask questions that are

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Speaker 1: you know, well, Donald Trump, seeing is you're a bigot

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Speaker 1: and this judges said, you're a bigot. And also you're

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Speaker 1: in the pocket of Russia and you're a trader, you know,

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Speaker 1: a trader in that you would do anything to help

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Speaker 1: putin you know. Okay, So so they didn't get to

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Speaker 1: ask that question. For those questions for a day. You

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Speaker 1: think they could just wait, But no, they pout like

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Speaker 1: little like little media children. Okay, well the second point.

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Speaker 1: First off, this is the same press that said, excuse me,

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Speaker 1: Mr President, do you wear boxers or briefs? And um,

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Speaker 1: that's an old Clinton throwback, right he was like, where,

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Speaker 1: what where? Whatever? Where? Whatever the ladies tell me to where,

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Speaker 1: That's what I'll wear. But anyway, Uh, the second question

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Speaker 1: on that you're talking about treason? Excuse me? Who released

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Speaker 1: the transcripts of this conversation between Flynn and the Russian ambassador. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's a felony. The only reason we would have those

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Speaker 1: because and as any government would do, we're listening to

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Speaker 1: what the other politicians are talking about in the other countries. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: if we had any of Flynn did anything wrong, do

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Speaker 1: you not think it would have been like people, Well,

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Speaker 1: that's the point, Joey, that I I keep hitting. You've

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01:13:25,520 --> 01:13:31,160
Speaker 1: already got people using intelligence intercepts of private phone conversations

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Speaker 1: to undermine this administration. If there was some Russia connection,

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01:13:35,160 --> 01:13:37,840
Speaker 1: don't you think we'd hear about it? And really, do

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Speaker 1: people think that Trump? Do people think that Trump is

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Speaker 1: So this is sort of like, uh, I had a

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Speaker 1: little exchange on Twitter actually before because I'm doing Facebook

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Speaker 1: and Twitter while I'm on the show. Here, Um, somebody's

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01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:50,519
Speaker 1: saying to me, well, you know maybe or CNN wrote

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Speaker 1: something about how they're not gonna prosecute Flynn, and I

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Speaker 1: tweeted out, well, what are they gonna prosecute? Form? People say, oh,

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01:13:55,280 --> 01:13:58,040
Speaker 1: lying to the FBI. There's no there's no evidence he

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Speaker 1: lied to the FBI and flints and he's not an idiot,

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01:14:01,600 --> 01:14:03,840
Speaker 1: he would know that's a felony. He's not gonna lie

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Speaker 1: to the FBI. If anybody had an issue, it would

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Speaker 1: be our current vice president. He might be the only

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Speaker 1: person he lied to. But other than that, what are

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01:14:12,920 --> 01:14:15,120
Speaker 1: they going to charge? Yeah, look, line to your wife.

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01:14:15,560 --> 01:14:17,879
Speaker 1: You know lined your wife is bad and you shouldn't

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01:14:17,920 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: do it, and you should be punished by your wife

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01:14:20,000 --> 01:14:22,560
Speaker 1: if you do that. Lying to your special agents so

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01:14:22,680 --> 01:14:25,280
Speaker 1: and so can get your senti federal prison. So you know,

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Speaker 1: you do take a different approach when you're talking to

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Speaker 1: somebody that your freedom is at stake if you lie.

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01:14:31,040 --> 01:14:32,800
Speaker 1: Then if you're talking to somebody, you figure you can

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01:14:32,840 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: smooth it over, and you know, maybe a little white

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01:14:35,080 --> 01:14:38,160
Speaker 1: lie not a big deal, right, So, but they're already

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Speaker 1: running with the story that Flynn maybe lie to the

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Speaker 1: FBI based on nothing. They have no evidence for this whatsoever.

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Speaker 1: Is that like the difference between Martha Stewart and Hillary Clinton? Well, yeah, no,

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Speaker 1: Hillary Hillary, Uh Martha Stewart. Yeah. People always think by

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Speaker 1: the way that she and Joey from Georgia Shields High great,

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01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,519
Speaker 1: great to talk to you. People always think that Martha

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Speaker 1: Stewart was prosecuted for insider trading. False, just like Scooter

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Speaker 1: Libby was prosecuted for leaking a name under the Intelligence

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Speaker 1: Identities Protection Act. False, both of them. Both of them

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Speaker 1: were prosecuted for lying to the FBI about non crimes.

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Speaker 1: Keep that in mind. So, and in the Scooter libbything,

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01:15:23,320 --> 01:15:25,160
Speaker 1: you know, he's a lawyer, he knew what he was.

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Speaker 1: They just put him through the ringer and eventually they

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01:15:27,600 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: figured they could find something where they could convince a

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Speaker 1: jury that he had been untruthful and totally totally unfair. Anyway, Wow,

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe the third hour of the show is

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Speaker 1: already here with the show is a rocket Team Freedom

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01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:45,639
Speaker 1: Hu will be back in just a few minutes. Buck

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01:15:46,479 --> 01:15:50,559
Speaker 1: is back. Everybody, Bucks back. It's more of America now,

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01:15:50,840 --> 01:15:55,280
Speaker 1: throwing your two cents one eight four four nine hundred Buck.

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Speaker 1: That's one eight four four d to eight to five.

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Speaker 1: We are cruising into the third hour here, my friends.

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Speaker 1: It is flying by tonight on Buck Saxon with America Now,

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Speaker 1: and we've got some fantastic guests this hour to discuss

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Speaker 1: all the latest with you, including right now Heather McDonald.

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Speaker 1: She is a Manhattan Institute Senior Fellow and author of

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Speaker 1: The War on Cops, an excellent book. Heather, thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for calling in. Thanks for having me on Buck.

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. So a day without migrants, or a

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Speaker 1: day without immigrants, I should say, a protest that was

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Speaker 1: supposed to be nationwide where you had immigrants staying home

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Speaker 1: from their jobs. What was this all about? What is

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Speaker 1: the point that is trying to be made here? Heather? Well,

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Speaker 1: I say bring it on, because if it means today

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Speaker 1: without lawlessness, that's a good thing for the American economy

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Speaker 1: and for the American polity. Really, if it means that

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Speaker 1: employers are not breaking the law by hiring illegal aliens

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Speaker 1: are employing them, and illegal aliens are not breaking the

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Speaker 1: law by working when they're not even suppose to be

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Speaker 1: in this country. Uh, this is something to be celebrated.

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Speaker 1: But obviously that the point that they're trying to make

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Speaker 1: is that the country would just fall to its knees

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Speaker 1: without mass, low skilled Hispanic immigration. And I just don't

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Speaker 1: think that's the case. Well, I have to ask when

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Speaker 1: did all of a sudden it become okay for everyone,

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Speaker 1: including the press playing along with this, to conflate legal

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Speaker 1: and illegal immigration. It's all the same. So to say

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Speaker 1: that one is opposed to illegal immigration, i e. Immigration

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Speaker 1: that is in violation of US federal law is somehow

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Speaker 1: means that you hate all immigrants. I don't know why

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Speaker 1: this is allowed to continue as a as a talking point,

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Speaker 1: and the press seems to play along. No one is

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Speaker 1: suggesting that legal immigrants all be kicked out. I'll be deported,

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Speaker 1: aren't welcome here, But I I suppose that that's what

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Speaker 1: we're supposed to take from a lot of the a

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Speaker 1: lot of the stories that are out today in conjunction

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Speaker 1: with this day without immigrants talking about how much they

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Speaker 1: contribute to economy and how much they Okay, but illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrants are what Donald Trump has been focusing on, not

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Speaker 1: legal immigrants as a problem, So why the why the

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Speaker 1: mix up? It seems very intentional, and it's even worse

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Speaker 1: than that buck because what he's focusing on is illegal

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Speaker 1: immigrants who go on to commit other crimes. It's astounding

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Speaker 1: the gall of the illegal alien lobby. They are going

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Speaker 1: for the most extreme case, which is to argue that

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Speaker 1: it is morally reprehensible to deport an illegal alien criminal,

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Speaker 1: because that's what you know. There was this hysteria over

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Speaker 1: last weekend's alleged sweeps of illegal aliens six hundred across

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Speaker 1: the country out of well over twelve million illegal aliens.

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Speaker 1: In New York. The press, the left wing press, flipped

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Speaker 1: out over the fact that there were fifty illegal alien

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Speaker 1: criminals picked up of one point one million in the

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Speaker 1: New York area. So this is a peanuts But what

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01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,439
Speaker 1: gets left out is that these are people who have

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Speaker 1: committed a range of crimes. But the illegal alien advocates

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Speaker 1: are daring to make the case that it is inappropriate

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Speaker 1: and illegitimate to even think of removing an illegal alien criminal. Therefore,

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Speaker 1: it's all the more illegitimate to remove an illegal alien

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Speaker 1: who has not committed additional crimes. The the endgame here

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Speaker 1: buck is to completely emasculate and delegitimate the very idea

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Speaker 1: of deportation. And once that happens, you have no more borders,

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Speaker 1: because the only response that fits the crime of illegal

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Speaker 1: entry is deportation. If you can't deport somebody, then there's

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Speaker 1: no such thing as illegal entry. You're not gonna You're

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Speaker 1: not gonna put somebody in isn't for thirty years for

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Speaker 1: overstaying a visa. You're just not going to do that.

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Speaker 1: That's that's not that's not sustainable. That's not going to happen.

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Speaker 1: And and if you if you just have a fine,

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Speaker 1: if that's what, well, can they come here illegally they

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Speaker 1: have to pay five thousand dollars. That just becomes the

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Speaker 1: price of illegal entry. The other, the other sort of

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Speaker 1: meme that's so amazing out here is well, now these

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Speaker 1: immigrants are living in fear, well, they assume the risk

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Speaker 1: of living in fear. If you don't want to live

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Speaker 1: in fear in the United States, how about you come

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Speaker 1: in legally, but you can't come in illegally and then

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Speaker 1: complain that you're fearing deportation, because that is the lawful,

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Speaker 1: legally enacted response to unlawful entry that every other country

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Speaker 1: in the world practices without apology, including of course Mexico.

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Speaker 1: I feel like all you have to all one has

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Speaker 1: to do is look at the major newspapers across the country,

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Speaker 1: LA Times, Washington Post, New York Times and the usage

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Speaker 1: of the term undocumented. I mean, this is one of

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Speaker 1: the gray, disingenuous euphemisms of all time, right, that this

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01:21:04,360 --> 01:21:07,080
Speaker 1: is somehow we're now all supposed to use this term,

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Speaker 1: which is really a meaningless term. First of all, they

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Speaker 1: do have documents. They just don't have documents that allow

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Speaker 1: them to be US citizens or or residents or Green

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Speaker 1: card holders. Um So, to me, the whole discussion has

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Speaker 1: to be turned over, the whole discussion has to be changed,

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01:21:22,320 --> 01:21:24,280
Speaker 1: and there has to be a willingness to, as you say,

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Speaker 1: talk about what would it mean if we didn't deport

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Speaker 1: anybody other than other than rapists and murderers. Well, then

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Speaker 1: you get to come here if you're not and stay

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Speaker 1: if you're not a rapist or a murderer. Because, as

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Speaker 1: you point out, deportation is the only way to deal

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Speaker 1: with people in the country illegally. There's there's only no

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Speaker 1: other good way. There's no other way that does uh

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Speaker 1: not simply normalize it. Uh, and yes, undocumented suggests that, well,

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Speaker 1: it was an oversight of the government that didn't print

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Speaker 1: out the documents. No, they are here illegally, and you

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Speaker 1: know that that's the issue, not that they don't have

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Speaker 1: their papers. Heather, I know you look very closely at

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Speaker 1: crime and crimes. It's stakes and you have You've written

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Speaker 1: The War on Cops is a great book and I

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01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 1: recommend it to everybody listening. What can you say and

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Speaker 1: what can you tell us about the role of specifically

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants in crime across the country. We know that

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Speaker 1: illegal immigrants tend to be clustered in major urban areas.

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Speaker 1: When we look at the breakdowns, at least the official

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Speaker 1: breakdowns that I've seen, do we have a sense of

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Speaker 1: what the illegal immigrant contribution to crime in major urban

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Speaker 1: centers is or is it just too hard to get

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Speaker 1: the numbers or where are we on that data? Well,

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Speaker 1: it is hard to get the numbers numbers, and one

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Speaker 1: reason it is is that, however minuscule the government's efforts

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Speaker 1: to deport illegal alien criminals, there is some degree of

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Speaker 1: that going on, and so that means that they are

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Speaker 1: not going to be present in the prison population to

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Speaker 1: the same extent as if they were here without any

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Speaker 1: kind of deportation, So they get removed in a way

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Speaker 1: that would uh mask their usual recidivism rates. In places

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Speaker 1: like Los Angeles County, they actually are about of the

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Speaker 1: uh imprisoned felon population. Frankly buck, the effect of low

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Speaker 1: skilled illegal aliens on a localities crime rates depends on

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Speaker 1: what the pre existing population was. And it's it's sort

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Speaker 1: of a crude way to say it, but if you

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Speaker 1: have illegal alien Guatemalan gangbangers coming into a largely middle class,

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Speaker 1: uh white area, that area is going to see large

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Speaker 1: increases in gang activity. But on the other hand, what

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Speaker 1: you've seen in even in South central Los Angeles where

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01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:52,400
Speaker 1: they came in and were displacing the black population, that

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01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,080
Speaker 1: actually stabilized the community because the black population has the

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Speaker 1: highest rates of crime of any group in this country.

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Speaker 1: So it depends on whom they're displacing. Um and and

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Speaker 1: so to talk about averages, you know, you hear the

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Speaker 1: illegal alien labby saying, well they uh first generation immigrants

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Speaker 1: on average have lower rates of crime than Native Americans. Again,

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Speaker 1: if you if you tease out different ethnic groups, that's

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Speaker 1: not true. They do have lower crime rates than blacks

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Speaker 1: by and large, but they have higher crime rates than whites.

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Speaker 1: And when we look at this problem now and how

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Speaker 1: the Trump administration is approaching illegal immigration, what do you

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Speaker 1: think so far, at least in terms of the rhetoric

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Speaker 1: and the proposed policies, are they getting right? And what

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Speaker 1: should they either push harder on or step back from.

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Speaker 1: Oh I hope they keep pushing. I mean, there is

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Speaker 1: nothing that is a greater insult to the rule of

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Speaker 1: law than the sanctuary city. It is so ironic that

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Speaker 1: this is something embraced by the left when it is

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01:24:57,920 --> 01:25:02,320
Speaker 1: simple a mirror image of this sixties you know, segregation

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01:25:02,400 --> 01:25:07,439
Speaker 1: at South that was refusing federal authority. For a big

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01:25:07,560 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 1: city police chief to have the temerity to argue that

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01:25:12,120 --> 01:25:17,400
Speaker 1: his community is better off by releasing illegal alien criminals

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01:25:17,520 --> 01:25:21,280
Speaker 1: back into the streets rather than handing them over to

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Speaker 1: ICE for deportation, which is what the essence of the

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Speaker 1: sanctuary city issue is about. The press does not convey

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01:25:29,080 --> 01:25:31,920
Speaker 1: this what this is in its essence, it is about

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Speaker 1: on the rare occasion when ICE decides to get its

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01:25:35,200 --> 01:25:37,800
Speaker 1: act together and say, you know what, we really should

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Speaker 1: remove this illegal alien criminal. They go to a local

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01:25:41,040 --> 01:25:44,120
Speaker 1: jail official and say, Okay, before you let him out

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01:25:44,240 --> 01:25:48,840
Speaker 1: for his two years sentence for for car theft, hold

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01:25:48,880 --> 01:25:50,640
Speaker 1: onto him for forty eight hours so that we can

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01:25:50,680 --> 01:25:53,639
Speaker 1: come and pick him up. Instead. These big city police

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01:25:53,680 --> 01:25:56,360
Speaker 1: chiefs are saying, we're not going to comply. Better to

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01:25:56,479 --> 01:25:59,719
Speaker 1: have a illegal alien car thief back in our community

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01:26:00,040 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: than have him deported. And that is because of the

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01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:07,080
Speaker 1: pressure of demographics. You have places like New York, California

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01:26:07,560 --> 01:26:12,840
Speaker 1: where the demographic change has become so advanced that any

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01:26:13,040 --> 01:26:16,639
Speaker 1: type of politics that supports the rule of law when

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01:26:16,680 --> 01:26:20,160
Speaker 1: it comes to immigration is really a dead end politically.

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Speaker 1: Heather McDonald is the author of The War on Cops

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01:26:25,080 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 1: and is a Manhattan Institute senior fellow. Heather, always appreciate

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01:26:28,360 --> 01:26:30,600
Speaker 1: when you stop by and uh share your expertise with us.

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01:26:30,640 --> 01:26:33,000
Speaker 1: We appreciate it. Thank you for having me on. Great

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01:26:33,080 --> 01:26:36,800
Speaker 1: talk to you all right, eight four eight to five.

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Speaker 1: Buck Sexton with America now continues rocket. Al Right, everybody,

1530
01:26:47,400 --> 01:26:49,360
Speaker 1: team Buck. We got a lot of calls coming in

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01:26:49,520 --> 01:26:51,679
Speaker 1: every line that we have here in the Freedom Hunt

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01:26:51,960 --> 01:26:56,200
Speaker 1: is lit. That's how we roll. We have Darby and Dallas.

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01:26:56,640 --> 01:26:58,400
Speaker 1: Great to talk to you. Darby on the I Heart

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01:26:58,439 --> 01:27:01,880
Speaker 1: Media app. What is up? Hey? My friend going to

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01:27:01,960 --> 01:27:03,680
Speaker 1: talk to you. I wanted to tell first, congratulate you

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01:27:03,760 --> 01:27:05,800
Speaker 1: on the new show and you're you're doing a fantastic job.

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01:27:06,040 --> 01:27:09,519
Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Darby. I called actually to comment

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01:27:09,560 --> 01:27:13,519
Speaker 1: about Trump's uh President Trump's uh press conference today. I

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01:27:13,560 --> 01:27:15,120
Speaker 1: thought he knocked out of the parking. It was exactly

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01:27:15,160 --> 01:27:17,720
Speaker 1: what needed to happen. But your last caller really, uh,

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01:27:17,760 --> 01:27:19,840
Speaker 1: your last guest really really drove something home for me.

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01:27:19,880 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 1: You know, I live in Dallas, actually about thirty miles

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01:27:22,439 --> 01:27:24,880
Speaker 1: north of Dallas, in the town called prosper and the

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01:27:25,479 --> 01:27:29,920
Speaker 1: the day without illegal immigrants affected me absolutely none at all.

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01:27:30,080 --> 01:27:32,920
Speaker 1: And I think personally it's it's a shame, and I

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01:27:32,960 --> 01:27:35,960
Speaker 1: think you're underson and accurate that the the way that

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01:27:36,000 --> 01:27:39,120
Speaker 1: the media tries to make immigrants the same as an

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01:27:39,200 --> 01:27:42,080
Speaker 1: illegal immigrant is shameful and I can't believe that they

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01:27:42,120 --> 01:27:44,000
Speaker 1: get away with it, but they seem to get away

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01:27:44,000 --> 01:27:45,560
Speaker 1: with just about everything else. That's why I was so

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01:27:45,680 --> 01:27:47,960
Speaker 1: glad to c Trump do what he did and call

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01:27:48,080 --> 01:27:50,360
Speaker 1: him out on it. So all you know, you know, Derby, Uh,

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01:27:50,560 --> 01:27:53,080
Speaker 1: we take in a million people, we make a million

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01:27:53,360 --> 01:27:57,640
Speaker 1: new permanent residents and citizens in total every year in

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01:27:57,680 --> 01:28:00,920
Speaker 1: this country about on average in recent last decade or

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01:28:00,960 --> 01:28:04,599
Speaker 1: so a million, okay, every year. That's through the legal

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01:28:04,680 --> 01:28:07,679
Speaker 1: immigration system. These are these are green card holders, These

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01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:11,439
Speaker 1: are people who become US citizens. So we are taking

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01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: in a vast number of people through the legal system,

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01:28:14,920 --> 01:28:18,320
Speaker 1: the legal immigrations that we have. When you have individuals

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01:28:18,880 --> 01:28:21,080
Speaker 1: thousands of them, tens of thousands, whatever it's across the

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01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 1: country who are staying home from work, to point out

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01:28:23,479 --> 01:28:27,400
Speaker 1: how integral they are to the economy, it does bring

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01:28:27,560 --> 01:28:30,840
Speaker 1: up some other very worthwhile questions that I and I

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01:28:30,920 --> 01:28:32,920
Speaker 1: don't I don't bring this up to sound like I'm

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01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,240
Speaker 1: being mean or heartless, but much of our immigration system

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01:28:36,360 --> 01:28:40,160
Speaker 1: right now is based on it's a chain migration system,

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01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,800
Speaker 1: i e. I. One person becomes a legal resident, then

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01:28:43,920 --> 01:28:47,360
Speaker 1: they can sponsor their family and their uncles and their cousins,

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01:28:47,400 --> 01:28:49,240
Speaker 1: and you know, then all of a sudden you have

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01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,559
Speaker 1: more people coming to the front of the line based

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01:28:51,600 --> 01:28:55,599
Speaker 1: on that familial tie. So that doesn't mean that we're

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01:28:55,640 --> 01:28:58,120
Speaker 1: taking immigrants who are going to contribute the most the economy,

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01:28:58,200 --> 01:29:02,040
Speaker 1: who are the most beneficial economy. Other countries do that

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01:29:02,280 --> 01:29:04,600
Speaker 1: and don't get called racist and xenophobic and horrible. And

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01:29:04,600 --> 01:29:06,920
Speaker 1: when I mean other countries, I don't mean you know

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01:29:07,120 --> 01:29:10,560
Speaker 1: that that Tajikistan does it. I mean that Canada does it.

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01:29:10,760 --> 01:29:13,559
Speaker 1: I mean Australia does it. This is how they pick

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01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:16,960
Speaker 1: their immigrants. And yet in this country, I think some

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01:29:17,040 --> 01:29:19,559
Speaker 1: immigrants have started to believe the rhetoric about how they're

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01:29:19,560 --> 01:29:22,200
Speaker 1: doing these jobs Americans won't do, and you know they're

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01:29:22,200 --> 01:29:24,120
Speaker 1: they're like the you know, the real fabric of this

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01:29:24,200 --> 01:29:26,920
Speaker 1: country is immigrant labor. And well, first of all, we're

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01:29:26,960 --> 01:29:28,639
Speaker 1: taking in a million a year. Second of all, it's

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01:29:28,680 --> 01:29:30,960
Speaker 1: not based on who who's the most skilled or will

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01:29:31,040 --> 01:29:32,760
Speaker 1: contribute the most of the economy. It's based on who

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01:29:32,760 --> 01:29:36,960
Speaker 1: has relatives here first and foremost. And if we start

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01:29:37,040 --> 01:29:39,120
Speaker 1: to look at this policy, I think people realize that

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01:29:39,160 --> 01:29:42,000
Speaker 1: we could be doing a better job because the immigration

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01:29:42,080 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 1: policy should be run for the benefit. And this is

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01:29:44,240 --> 01:29:46,400
Speaker 1: where the left and the right diverge. This is where

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01:29:46,439 --> 01:29:50,559
Speaker 1: Democrats and Republicans separate. The immigration policy of this country

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01:29:50,960 --> 01:29:55,639
Speaker 1: should be geared towards benefiting those who are here first

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01:29:55,640 --> 01:29:59,120
Speaker 1: and foremost. That is the primary obligation of our immigration system.

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01:29:59,439 --> 01:30:01,880
Speaker 1: It is not to make us feel like we're all

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01:30:01,960 --> 01:30:05,040
Speaker 1: warm and fuzzy and nice and big hugs. That's fine too.

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01:30:05,200 --> 01:30:08,240
Speaker 1: Sometimes you're taking some refugees and such. But the reality

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01:30:08,360 --> 01:30:12,000
Speaker 1: is it's supposed to benefit economically. The Americans who are

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01:30:12,040 --> 01:30:17,800
Speaker 1: already here agree that that is an absolutely excellent point.

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01:30:17,920 --> 01:30:21,040
Speaker 1: It is for the people that are here, the citizens

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01:30:21,080 --> 01:30:23,560
Speaker 1: and the people who are trying to become citizens of

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01:30:23,640 --> 01:30:26,640
Speaker 1: this country. If if you're not here to contribute to that,

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01:30:27,560 --> 01:30:29,880
Speaker 1: then we don't need you, and and you're every other

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01:30:29,960 --> 01:30:31,720
Speaker 1: country in the world. In fact, I've got a friend

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01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: that just went to Australia, unbelievably hard to get to Australia.

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01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:39,759
Speaker 1: They're not racist, neither are we. Yeah, Heary Man, Darbie Dallas,

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01:30:39,840 --> 01:30:41,640
Speaker 1: Shields High. Great, great to have you on. Thank you

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01:30:41,680 --> 01:30:45,280
Speaker 1: for calling in Kevin and Boston on w k O

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01:30:45,920 --> 01:30:49,479
Speaker 1: X Kevin. Great to have you, Hey, great to be

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01:30:49,640 --> 01:30:52,679
Speaker 1: here with you coming in loud and clear from Boston

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01:30:52,800 --> 01:30:55,639
Speaker 1: and New England back. And I just want to put

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01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:58,760
Speaker 1: up this with just one place before I get to

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01:30:59,400 --> 01:31:03,680
Speaker 1: the press conference. The dynamic in invigorating just a box Sexton,

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01:31:04,200 --> 01:31:09,479
Speaker 1: I mean, Sean Spice step aside Donald J today, but listen,

1615
01:31:09,720 --> 01:31:13,280
Speaker 1: any of our elected officials on the local municipal level,

1616
01:31:13,960 --> 01:31:17,880
Speaker 1: state level, or across this fine nation. On the federal level,

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01:31:18,240 --> 01:31:22,840
Speaker 1: America is Roman welcoming to anyone. It's just we need

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01:31:22,920 --> 01:31:26,439
Speaker 1: to have people participate. Go down and sign up. You

1619
01:31:26,600 --> 01:31:30,240
Speaker 1: never hear about having an eighteen month or twenty four

1620
01:31:30,320 --> 01:31:33,160
Speaker 1: month window. Go down, tell us who you are. You

1621
01:31:33,200 --> 01:31:36,559
Speaker 1: wouldn't invite box Sexton, wouldn't invite anybody into their home

1622
01:31:36,840 --> 01:31:39,920
Speaker 1: unless they knew who they are, what their intention is,

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01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:42,120
Speaker 1: and where they want to go. And let's not even

1624
01:31:42,200 --> 01:31:44,760
Speaker 1: bring up how much a Bola or Zeca that they have,

1625
01:31:45,160 --> 01:31:50,960
Speaker 1: or the devilish background. That's what And again it's so simple,

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01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:53,240
Speaker 1: but we don't want to do that. We just want

1627
01:31:53,280 --> 01:31:57,080
Speaker 1: to bring people in, have the dependence and and make

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01:31:57,120 --> 01:31:59,880
Speaker 1: sure that they registered the vote. On the Democratic side,

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01:32:00,280 --> 01:32:04,160
Speaker 1: it's pathetic. Well, it's clearly a power play. That's the

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01:32:04,200 --> 01:32:08,839
Speaker 1: way the Democrats are basing all of their immigration decisions,

1631
01:32:08,880 --> 01:32:10,479
Speaker 1: not on what's best for the country, but what's best

1632
01:32:10,520 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: for the Democratic Party, which is not the same thing.

1633
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:15,000
Speaker 1: And all you can do is go back and read

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01:32:15,040 --> 01:32:17,760
Speaker 1: the editorial pages of major newspapers. I pointed out, I

1635
01:32:17,800 --> 01:32:20,479
Speaker 1: think earlier this week the New York Times was writing

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01:32:20,600 --> 01:32:26,120
Speaker 1: about how uh legal immigration was depressing the wages of

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01:32:26,240 --> 01:32:30,120
Speaker 1: workers in this country, and more specifically African American workers

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01:32:30,160 --> 01:32:32,320
Speaker 1: in this country who are competing with legal immigrants for

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01:32:32,840 --> 01:32:36,240
Speaker 1: a lot of entry level and skilled but low skilled jobs.

1640
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:39,480
Speaker 1: Now they would say that that sort of talk is nonsense,

1641
01:32:39,640 --> 01:32:44,799
Speaker 1: that legal immigrants only bring prosperity. And look, the Democrats

1642
01:32:44,800 --> 01:32:46,840
Speaker 1: won't even admit that there are tradeoffs when you're talking

1643
01:32:46,840 --> 01:32:48,800
Speaker 1: about legal immigration. They act like this is only a

1644
01:32:48,880 --> 01:32:51,000
Speaker 1: good thing. And this is reminds me of some of

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01:32:51,080 --> 01:32:53,760
Speaker 1: my more radical libertarian friends who take the position of

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01:32:53,840 --> 01:32:55,960
Speaker 1: we'll just take in more, just take in more people,

1647
01:32:56,080 --> 01:32:57,959
Speaker 1: because the more people that are here, the more economic

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01:32:58,240 --> 01:33:00,000
Speaker 1: productivity you have. And I want to say, well, yeah,

1649
01:33:00,439 --> 01:33:05,400
Speaker 1: GDP goes up, but so do Medicare and Medicaid costs,

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01:33:05,479 --> 01:33:07,479
Speaker 1: and we gotta pay people, gotta pay in the social

1651
01:33:07,479 --> 01:33:10,120
Speaker 1: security and are they gonna be on benefits or anado

1652
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:12,760
Speaker 1: We one thing that you know we have we have

1653
01:33:12,920 --> 01:33:15,920
Speaker 1: put on layaway right now. We are not dealing with

1654
01:33:16,320 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: entitlements as a country at all. It is completely back

1655
01:33:19,120 --> 01:33:21,680
Speaker 1: of everyone's mind, if on their mind even a little bit.

1656
01:33:22,280 --> 01:33:25,639
Speaker 1: And that factors in the immigration discussion too. We're twenty

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01:33:25,680 --> 01:33:28,280
Speaker 1: trillion dollars in the whole, and we can't talk about

1658
01:33:28,320 --> 01:33:30,360
Speaker 1: whether people are contributing or you know, are they are

1659
01:33:30,400 --> 01:33:33,679
Speaker 1: they net positive or uh net negative to the treasury.

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01:33:33,840 --> 01:33:37,400
Speaker 1: That's how we should start to view future immigration policy.

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01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:41,440
Speaker 1: We are gonna win loat if we do not concentrate

1662
01:33:41,520 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 1: on those issues. That is what it's going to bring

1663
01:33:44,360 --> 01:33:49,040
Speaker 1: down America first. And it's quite simple. I mean it's sad,

1664
01:33:49,240 --> 01:33:52,120
Speaker 1: that's just across the board. And when you put on

1665
01:33:52,320 --> 01:33:55,680
Speaker 1: PBS or even going into a stop go on and

1666
01:33:56,280 --> 01:33:59,880
Speaker 1: hook up to their WiFi, they'll be again, it's all

1667
01:34:00,120 --> 01:34:04,160
Speaker 1: on the motion. It's not about logic, and they take

1668
01:34:04,520 --> 01:34:08,800
Speaker 1: this family from here or Syrian refugee family and everything

1669
01:34:08,960 --> 01:34:14,240
Speaker 1: is just exploited. We gotta we gotta balance. Kevin from Boston.

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01:34:14,320 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: But to Shields, Hi, thank you for calling in. Great

1671
01:34:16,720 --> 01:34:20,560
Speaker 1: to talk to you. Um Man, Uh, what else do

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01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:23,639
Speaker 1: I want to tell you about? I'm just running through

1673
01:34:23,680 --> 01:34:26,320
Speaker 1: topics left and right here. Oh uh go to American

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Speaker 1: Now Radio dot com slash podcast to listen to the

1675
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Speaker 1: show on demand. Uh, you can send that link to

1676
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Speaker 1: a friend, Maybe that would be cool. Also, if you're

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Speaker 1: not already follow me on Facebook, got a Facebook dot

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Speaker 1: com slash buck Sexton. We post a lot of the

1679
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Speaker 1: stories we talked about here. You also can chat with

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Speaker 1: other members of Team Buck, other people who are part

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1682
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Speaker 1: who listen to this show. You've got a very uh

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Speaker 1: well informed and very kind and decent group of people

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Speaker 1: All right, be back right after this break with more

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Speaker 1: that that that that that that that that that that

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Speaker 1: that that that that that that that that that that

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Speaker 1: that that that The stream four four sea Queen Lay

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Speaker 1: Queen for Queen for Queen for Queen Sela to Queen

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Speaker 1: Lay Queen ye Buck Sexton with America now where there

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01:40:25,800 --> 01:40:28,200
Speaker 1: is always something to talk about, where you can trade

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Speaker 1: opinions with Buck. I'm not sure you'll win, though. Just

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Speaker 1: call eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four

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Speaker 1: four d to eight to five. All right, Buck, you're

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Speaker 1: on our team. We're back, and we're joined by Joel Pollock.

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Speaker 1: He is Bright bart News, a senior editor and co

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Speaker 1: author of the book How Trump Won The Inside Story

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Speaker 1: of a Revolution. Great to have you, Joel, Good to

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Speaker 1: be with you. I gotta ask you, just what what

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Speaker 1: what's your your overall reaction to today's press conference. We've

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Speaker 1: been talking about a lot on the show, but I

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Speaker 1: wanted to hear. I wanted to hear your take. I

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01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:07,679
Speaker 1: thought it was great. I enjoyed it. It was entertaining,

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Speaker 1: well worth the price of admission. Yeah, I have to

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Speaker 1: say I didn't. I didn't want it to stop, and

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Speaker 1: it was. It was one of the more entertating, one

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Speaker 1: of the more entertaining press corps, the most entertaining press

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Speaker 1: cofference I think I've ever seen, actually that I could

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Speaker 1: probably say that. So all right, we're an agreement on that.

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Speaker 1: You've got a story up on Breitbart right now about

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Speaker 1: the majority of refugees coming from countries that were covered

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Speaker 1: under Trump's executive order, or rather a majority of refugees

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01:41:34,360 --> 01:41:37,120
Speaker 1: that have come in since the executive order was struck

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Speaker 1: down would have been covered under the executive order. What's

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Speaker 1: going on here? I think that's just what we call economics.

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01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,320
Speaker 1: If you know that something is going to be scarce

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01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: becomes much more valuable. And if you know that that

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01:41:52,240 --> 01:41:54,840
Speaker 1: window could be closed because someone wants to close it,

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01:41:55,240 --> 01:41:57,560
Speaker 1: suddenly becomes very important to go through it. So I

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01:41:57,640 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 1: think we've seen as people who wanted to come to

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Speaker 1: America from those countries suddenly rushing to do it before

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Speaker 1: the order gets renewed or before the court cases decided

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Speaker 1: in the other direction. You know, it's just meant that

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Speaker 1: there's a run to the border from those countries because

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Speaker 1: now they know they're unnoticed. And I think that it's

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Speaker 1: disproportionately high for that reason. Um. I don't think there's

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Speaker 1: any other more complicated explanation than that once once something

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Speaker 1: becomes scarce, it becomes much more valuable. And so I

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01:42:27,840 --> 01:42:30,599
Speaker 1: think people who might have been thinking about coming bumped

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Speaker 1: up their travel plans because they knew that the window

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Speaker 1: could be closed. What are your expectations for the Trump

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Speaker 1: executive order that we've been told is coming out next week.

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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm I'm assuming that this is going to

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Speaker 1: be an amended version of the now judicially at least

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Speaker 1: temporarily overruled executive Order. But I'm wondering if you've talked

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Speaker 1: to any sources, or you have any sense of what

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01:42:53,760 --> 01:42:55,840
Speaker 1: we should be what we should be expecting from that.

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01:42:57,640 --> 01:43:00,360
Speaker 1: It's very hard to know. I don't know that there's

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Speaker 1: a way they can defeat all of the judgments from

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01:43:04,520 --> 01:43:07,719
Speaker 1: the courts because some of the some of the judges

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01:43:07,840 --> 01:43:11,600
Speaker 1: said that it was a Muslim ban, even though the

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Speaker 1: language of the executive work said nothing about Muslims, and

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Speaker 1: simply by referring to his campaign rhetoric. Well, if you're

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Speaker 1: going to refer to his campaign rhetoric, which you normally

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01:43:20,160 --> 01:43:23,479
Speaker 1: don't do in a court case, normally not allowed into evidence,

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01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:27,960
Speaker 1: but you're going to refer to that, then it doesn't

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01:43:28,160 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: allow him to do anything. That means any action he

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01:43:30,320 --> 01:43:35,000
Speaker 1: takes is going to be motivated by improper religious discrimination

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01:43:35,600 --> 01:43:38,240
Speaker 1: motivations no matter what he does. Right, if you can

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Speaker 1: just say, well he said this on the campaign trail,

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01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:42,960
Speaker 1: then anything he does could be attributed to a desire

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Speaker 1: to discriminate. So I don't know how they're going to

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01:43:45,160 --> 01:43:47,960
Speaker 1: get around that. I mean, these are very poor judgments

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01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,479
Speaker 1: for that reason. Maybe they'll just hope that if they

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Speaker 1: just passed something more moderate, or they issue something more moderate.

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01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:55,880
Speaker 1: I mean, it's hard to know how how much more

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Speaker 1: moderate you could be then than what they actually did.

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Speaker 1: Maybe they could be more explicit about allowing Green Heart

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Speaker 1: card holders and permanent residents and people with already existing

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Speaker 1: visas and that sort of thing. Maybe they could be

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01:44:05,400 --> 01:44:07,400
Speaker 1: more explicit about some of the exceptions instead of leading

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Speaker 1: into the discretion of border officials. But you know what,

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Speaker 1: whether you get into this country or not is always

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Speaker 1: at the discretion of border officials. You can have a

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Speaker 1: perfectly valid visa, you can have a green card, and

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Speaker 1: once you show up at the border, if the person

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Speaker 1: that customers doesn't like you, doesn't like the way you're behaving,

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01:44:22,160 --> 01:44:23,720
Speaker 1: or doesn't like the way you answer questions, they can

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Speaker 1: keep you out of the country. And that's that has

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01:44:25,760 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 1: nothing to do with an executive order. That's just the

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Speaker 1: way it is. I think a lot of Americans are

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01:44:29,520 --> 01:44:32,760
Speaker 1: shocked at how much power You're absolutely right about the

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01:44:32,880 --> 01:44:36,400
Speaker 1: way that it functions at our borders. How much power

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Speaker 1: Immigrations and Customs enforcement has in the moment of your

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01:44:39,880 --> 01:44:43,840
Speaker 1: arrival in the United States. Uh, they can go through

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01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:47,400
Speaker 1: your personal effects, they can look through your laptop, your phone,

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Speaker 1: They can do pretty much whatever they want to do

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01:44:50,000 --> 01:44:53,920
Speaker 1: in terms of search and seizure. They can break things

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01:44:54,000 --> 01:44:55,439
Speaker 1: that you have with you if they think you might

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01:44:55,479 --> 01:44:57,919
Speaker 1: be hiding something in it. You have very little recourse.

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Speaker 1: That's just been the way it is for quite some time.

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Speaker 1: But now you have the courts that have usurped the

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Speaker 1: prerogative of the president of the president as well as

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Speaker 1: of the Congress. Trump's executive order was based on a

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Speaker 1: congressional statute that says that the president may bar any

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01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:17,080
Speaker 1: class of illegal aliens he wants if he thinks that

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01:45:17,160 --> 01:45:20,479
Speaker 1: it's a national security concern. The judges have essentially said,

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Speaker 1: on matters of discretion put in the president's hand, we

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01:45:25,320 --> 01:45:28,439
Speaker 1: don't agree with the president's discretion, so so it doesn't

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01:45:28,479 --> 01:45:34,280
Speaker 1: count anymore. This is nonsense. It is nonsense, and the

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01:45:35,320 --> 01:45:40,000
Speaker 1: arguments against the executive order were also nonsense. Um, you

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01:45:40,040 --> 01:45:42,160
Speaker 1: can argue on the policy grounds, maybe it's not a

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01:45:42,200 --> 01:45:45,160
Speaker 1: good policy, maybe he should have done something else, but

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01:45:45,240 --> 01:45:47,880
Speaker 1: he certainly was within his legal and constitutional powers to

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Speaker 1: do that. And I think rather than wait for the

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Speaker 1: courts to work through it, given that he said he

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Speaker 1: had to do this for national security reasons, because he

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Speaker 1: had information that only he could see, that meant it

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Speaker 1: was necessary for national security I think, based on that

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Speaker 1: public argument, he's going ahead with a new order because

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01:46:07,880 --> 01:46:11,240
Speaker 1: it wouldn't make sense to delay something for national security

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Speaker 1: based on when the courts can get around to it.

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Speaker 1: So I think, simply in terms of his past justifications

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Speaker 1: of the policy, I think that it makes sense for

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Speaker 1: him to issue something new, which is apparently what they've

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Speaker 1: decided to do. But I think had we gone to

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Speaker 1: the Supreme Court, you would have seen the lower courts

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Speaker 1: either overruled or very stinging descent from a divided, possibly

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01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,560
Speaker 1: four four divided Supreme Court. You would have seen a

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01:46:36,640 --> 01:46:42,519
Speaker 1: lot of the arguments that you've heard conservatives make, uh you,

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Speaker 1: you would have had those um made very very stridently.

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Speaker 1: Joel Pollock is Bright Part News senior editor and co

1816
01:46:49,880 --> 01:46:53,040
Speaker 1: author of the book How Trump Won The Inside Story

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01:46:53,120 --> 01:46:55,680
Speaker 1: of Revolution. Joel, really appreciate you calling in. Thank you,

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Speaker 1: Thank you. All right, everybody, phones are open eight or

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Speaker 1: four nine zero zero to eight to five. We will

1820
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Speaker 1: be right back. I gotta say I love this. Welcome

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Speaker 1: back to the freedom on everybody. Uh you've got EP

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Speaker 1: and of the New York Times E p A workers

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01:47:20,000 --> 01:47:24,040
Speaker 1: are trying to block prow it in a show of

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01:47:25,000 --> 01:47:29,240
Speaker 1: defiance according to The Times, here employees of the Environmental

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Speaker 1: Protection Agency, which speaking of Ghostbusters, you know it's a

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Speaker 1: conservative movie because it's really a story forget about the

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Speaker 1: ghosts and the possible end of the world, end of

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01:47:38,960 --> 01:47:44,080
Speaker 1: days storyline. You've got a bunch of guys who are entrepreneurs,

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Speaker 1: small business owners, really the economic engine of America because

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Speaker 1: they are afraid of no ghosts. And they are of

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01:47:54,479 --> 01:47:59,200
Speaker 1: course set upon by Walter Peck, who is an e

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Speaker 1: p A I L who is very very snide and

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01:48:04,560 --> 01:48:08,960
Speaker 1: does not want to allow our pioneering entrepreneurs in the

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01:48:09,439 --> 01:48:14,120
Speaker 1: arts of ghost incarceration, does not want them to be

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01:48:14,160 --> 01:48:17,200
Speaker 1: able to pursue the American dream in their firehouse, which

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01:48:17,400 --> 01:48:19,680
Speaker 1: is actually located down here in Tribeca, which is very

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01:48:19,720 --> 01:48:21,559
Speaker 1: close to where I am right now. Do you guys

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01:48:21,600 --> 01:48:23,920
Speaker 1: know that the Ghostbusters, it's right it's right by here. Yeah,

1839
01:48:24,000 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 1: good stuff, good good times. Um So e p A

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01:48:28,040 --> 01:48:30,240
Speaker 1: is a bad guy in that movie. Very conservative message

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01:48:30,320 --> 01:48:34,479
Speaker 1: all around, and uh yeah, small business. So now we've

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01:48:34,479 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 1: got the e p A calling member people in the EPA.

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01:48:37,000 --> 01:48:41,040
Speaker 1: Employees of the e p A aren't calling senators to

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01:48:42,000 --> 01:48:44,880
Speaker 1: beg and plead with them not to allow the vote.

1845
01:48:45,280 --> 01:48:49,599
Speaker 1: We're not allowed Scott Pruitt to get through his confirmation vote.

1846
01:48:50,680 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 1: And I mean it is kind of funny. It is

1847
01:48:53,120 --> 01:48:59,040
Speaker 1: very another pop culture reference here is very amusing that

1848
01:48:59,360 --> 01:49:02,479
Speaker 1: you have of at least I think so um that

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01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:05,160
Speaker 1: you have somebody who in Ron Swanson of Parks and

1850
01:49:05,280 --> 01:49:07,760
Speaker 1: Wreck Fashion and those are listening. If you have not

1851
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:11,120
Speaker 1: watched Parks and Recreation on Netflix, I highly recommend it,

1852
01:49:11,120 --> 01:49:13,679
Speaker 1: although I recommend you start with season two. You don't

1853
01:49:13,720 --> 01:49:15,439
Speaker 1: miss that much in season one, and the show really

1854
01:49:15,520 --> 01:49:17,280
Speaker 1: hits its stride in season two, and then you can

1855
01:49:17,320 --> 01:49:19,559
Speaker 1: go back when you've done all the seasons and watch

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01:49:19,600 --> 01:49:22,040
Speaker 1: season one afterwards. It's on Netflix for you. I love

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01:49:22,120 --> 01:49:24,800
Speaker 1: the show. Ron Swanson one of the great characters of

1858
01:49:24,840 --> 01:49:27,920
Speaker 1: all time plays it is a libertarian who works for

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01:49:28,000 --> 01:49:30,479
Speaker 1: the government and hates the government and is always trying

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01:49:30,479 --> 01:49:33,879
Speaker 1: to undermine the government from the inside. A fantastic message

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01:49:33,920 --> 01:49:37,760
Speaker 1: for America's children. I think it's great. And he also

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01:49:37,880 --> 01:49:41,599
Speaker 1: has a He has an Ambassador Bolton level mustache, which

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01:49:41,680 --> 01:49:43,880
Speaker 1: is like which is the facial hair equivalent of a

1864
01:49:43,960 --> 01:49:46,639
Speaker 1: ninth degree black belt. I mean, it is some next

1865
01:49:46,720 --> 01:49:51,400
Speaker 1: level stuff. So, uh, the e p A has it's

1866
01:49:51,920 --> 01:49:54,040
Speaker 1: or the e p A has employees that are calling

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01:49:54,120 --> 01:49:57,120
Speaker 1: in that want to stop the confirmation. I just want

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01:49:57,160 --> 01:50:02,400
Speaker 1: to ask them, Oh, what do I think exactly is

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01:50:02,400 --> 01:50:03,920
Speaker 1: going to be accomplished by this? Do they think that

1870
01:50:03,960 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 1: Trump is all of a sudden going to put a

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01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:10,559
Speaker 1: climate change alarmist in the role of e p A head.

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01:50:10,680 --> 01:50:14,680
Speaker 1: I don't think so. Prue, it's that bad that they

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01:50:14,720 --> 01:50:18,599
Speaker 1: think they're gonna get somebody better in the role. Um

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01:50:18,800 --> 01:50:21,479
Speaker 1: maybe they cling to some hope that they can keep

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01:50:21,520 --> 01:50:24,400
Speaker 1: the post vacant long enough that Trump will lose interest

1876
01:50:24,479 --> 01:50:29,040
Speaker 1: and they'll just put some middling, glorified bureaucrat at the

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01:50:29,120 --> 01:50:31,639
Speaker 1: top of the Environmental Protection Agency and nobody will pay

1878
01:50:31,760 --> 01:50:34,600
Speaker 1: much attention and it can be business as usual. I

1879
01:50:34,720 --> 01:50:39,680
Speaker 1: don't think so. But this also raises once again the

1880
01:50:39,800 --> 01:50:43,759
Speaker 1: specter of the fourth branch, the unelected branch of government,

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01:50:43,800 --> 01:50:51,160
Speaker 1: the permanent bureaucracy, and how it is truly politicized. There

1882
01:50:51,240 --> 01:50:55,800
Speaker 1: are people who over time have increasingly become I think,

1883
01:50:55,920 --> 01:51:00,200
Speaker 1: emboldened in their posts in government to think that this is,

1884
01:51:00,240 --> 01:51:02,360
Speaker 1: first of all, that the federal government now owes them

1885
01:51:02,960 --> 01:51:06,559
Speaker 1: a job for life. And that was a very strong

1886
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:08,200
Speaker 1: sentiment when I work. I mean, I worked for the

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01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:10,920
Speaker 1: federal government. I know, I know what it's like to

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01:51:11,040 --> 01:51:14,040
Speaker 1: be a bureaucratic. I worked for the CIA, which has

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01:51:14,080 --> 01:51:18,360
Speaker 1: federal agencies, go has a pretty clearly defined mission. It's

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01:51:18,600 --> 01:51:21,240
Speaker 1: pretty lean and mean. I'm not going to say there's

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01:51:21,280 --> 01:51:26,200
Speaker 1: not some excess excess. And it's always possible for a

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01:51:26,320 --> 01:51:29,280
Speaker 1: less than stellar employee at any of these places to

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01:51:29,560 --> 01:51:33,880
Speaker 1: hide in the flabby folds of the smelly, flabby folds

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01:51:33,920 --> 01:51:38,320
Speaker 1: of the bureaucracy. Um So that's always possible to and

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01:51:38,400 --> 01:51:41,120
Speaker 1: it exists at all these different federal agencies. But you

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01:51:41,200 --> 01:51:43,280
Speaker 1: have these e p A employees that are taking a

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01:51:43,439 --> 01:51:47,960
Speaker 1: very clear political stance against the soon to be up

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01:51:48,000 --> 01:51:53,200
Speaker 1: for confirmation vote, Scott Pruitt. And you have a lot

1899
01:51:53,280 --> 01:51:56,639
Speaker 1: of pressure on from the Republican side, and I think

1900
01:51:56,680 --> 01:51:59,280
Speaker 1: it will come from at least some members of Congress too.

1901
01:51:59,360 --> 01:52:02,479
Speaker 1: We've talked about the bill that has one line it

1902
01:52:02,560 --> 01:52:06,599
Speaker 1: says the e p A will be eliminated by twenty

1903
01:52:06,720 --> 01:52:10,080
Speaker 1: eighth and these these are issues that should be left

1904
01:52:10,120 --> 01:52:14,240
Speaker 1: to states to determine for themselves. That is why is

1905
01:52:14,320 --> 01:52:16,479
Speaker 1: that so utterly you have to really think of this

1906
01:52:16,720 --> 01:52:20,920
Speaker 1: so offensive? It's it's not just that they disagree, and

1907
01:52:20,960 --> 01:52:25,000
Speaker 1: I think this is important. Why is that so offensive?

1908
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:31,639
Speaker 1: Two Democrats that states, Remember the state is a government too,

1909
01:52:32,320 --> 01:52:35,120
Speaker 1: oh man. State government can be terrible. There's also I

1910
01:52:35,200 --> 01:52:37,479
Speaker 1: have all kinds of problems with state government here in

1911
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Speaker 1: New York. I'm sure many of you, especially if you

1912
01:52:40,320 --> 01:52:42,320
Speaker 1: live in a blue state, think to yourself, Wow, this

1913
01:52:42,439 --> 01:52:45,960
Speaker 1: place is run very poorly. But at least it's more

1914
01:52:46,080 --> 01:52:49,040
Speaker 1: localized than the federal government. And when you're talking about

1915
01:52:49,240 --> 01:52:55,400
Speaker 1: environmental issues, land use issues, waterways, wouldn't you want the

1916
01:52:55,560 --> 01:53:00,479
Speaker 1: state to be more involved in proper usage and protection

1917
01:53:01,040 --> 01:53:05,679
Speaker 1: than having a one size fits all policy coming down

1918
01:53:05,760 --> 01:53:10,000
Speaker 1: from the federal government. The idea that that the left

1919
01:53:10,000 --> 01:53:11,559
Speaker 1: seems to run with here all the time as well.

1920
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Speaker 1: If you don't have the E p A calling all

1921
01:53:13,320 --> 01:53:15,880
Speaker 1: the shots, you're just going to have And you'll hear this,

1922
01:53:15,960 --> 01:53:17,960
Speaker 1: You'll hear this from Bill Maher will say this. You

1923
01:53:18,000 --> 01:53:21,920
Speaker 1: know they're dumping toxic waste in our rivers. I mean no, no,

1924
01:53:22,080 --> 01:53:25,799
Speaker 1: nobody wants toxic waste in the rivers. You know, nobody

1925
01:53:25,880 --> 01:53:29,240
Speaker 1: wants uh paying Paradise to put up a parking lot.

1926
01:53:29,320 --> 01:53:32,880
Speaker 1: I mean, nobody wants the isn't that an environmentalist song?

1927
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Speaker 1: I think so. I don't it always seem to go

1928
01:53:34,760 --> 01:53:36,200
Speaker 1: that you don't know what it's got till it's gone.

1929
01:53:36,600 --> 01:53:39,000
Speaker 1: Paying paradise, put up a parking lot. I think it's

1930
01:53:39,040 --> 01:53:41,120
Speaker 1: a I think it's about the environment, unless I'm missing

1931
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:44,080
Speaker 1: I always have to be careful with songs from like

1932
01:53:44,160 --> 01:53:47,080
Speaker 1: the sixties and the seventies because it seems like they're

1933
01:53:47,080 --> 01:53:51,479
Speaker 1: either about naughty time or drugs. And sometimes you're seeing

1934
01:53:51,520 --> 01:53:54,200
Speaker 1: a song to yourself even you're like that song is filthy.

1935
01:53:54,560 --> 01:53:58,479
Speaker 1: You don't even realize. But I digress. So the Environmental

1936
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:01,720
Speaker 1: Protection Agency is a place where, of course you're going

1937
01:54:01,800 --> 01:54:05,360
Speaker 1: to have a lot of bureaucrats who want to have

1938
01:54:05,520 --> 01:54:08,519
Speaker 1: a have an inflated sense I think of their mission,

1939
01:54:08,600 --> 01:54:12,680
Speaker 1: because they're not content to just keep let out of

1940
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:15,640
Speaker 1: our water and keep toxic waste from being dumped in

1941
01:54:15,720 --> 01:54:18,480
Speaker 1: your backyard, and that that's not what the really contentious

1942
01:54:18,520 --> 01:54:21,840
Speaker 1: aspects of the e p a UH are about. They

1943
01:54:22,240 --> 01:54:26,160
Speaker 1: want to regulate c O two in the air, all

1944
01:54:26,280 --> 01:54:30,400
Speaker 1: under this premise that if we don't do this, if

1945
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:32,760
Speaker 1: we don't regulate CEO two in the air, we are

1946
01:54:32,920 --> 01:54:37,600
Speaker 1: going to have um uh we're we're going to have

1947
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 1: a global meltdown. I mean they used to be all

1948
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:44,040
Speaker 1: of course talked about as global warming, but now it's

1949
01:54:44,080 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 1: climate change. They started to go for a while with

1950
01:54:48,440 --> 01:54:51,760
Speaker 1: climate disruption, which I don't even know what that means.

1951
01:54:51,840 --> 01:54:54,760
Speaker 1: It's almost just like saying, there's the weather and it changes. Well,

1952
01:54:54,840 --> 01:54:58,040
Speaker 1: what is a disrupted climate? If it's going to be disrupted,

1953
01:54:58,080 --> 01:55:01,360
Speaker 1: you would have to establish for me what would be

1954
01:55:02,200 --> 01:55:06,000
Speaker 1: the equivalent of you know, your body tries to maintain homeostasis,

1955
01:55:06,120 --> 01:55:11,480
Speaker 1: it tries to maintain a functioning balance. What is homeostasis

1956
01:55:11,760 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 1: or what is stasis even for the environment? I don't know.

1957
01:55:14,840 --> 01:55:18,400
Speaker 1: You know, there you go back. You can find this

1958
01:55:18,520 --> 01:55:20,920
Speaker 1: yourself every time. If someone who goes on TV and

1959
01:55:21,080 --> 01:55:24,120
Speaker 1: tries to claim that whether is so much more dangerous

1960
01:55:24,160 --> 01:55:29,320
Speaker 1: now and so much worse, Uh, they don't have access

1961
01:55:29,480 --> 01:55:32,320
Speaker 1: or refused to use the Google because there were terrible

1962
01:55:32,400 --> 01:55:35,960
Speaker 1: storms and all sorts of climate disruptions well before anything happened.

1963
01:55:35,960 --> 01:55:37,920
Speaker 1: But anyway, back to the e p A and the

1964
01:55:38,040 --> 01:55:43,560
Speaker 1: Prewitt vote tomorrow, these federal agencies are overrun with people

1965
01:55:43,680 --> 01:55:46,400
Speaker 1: who tend to want to work in in the federal

1966
01:55:46,480 --> 01:55:49,400
Speaker 1: level of government. In the first place, which means you're

1967
01:55:49,440 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 1: going to have individuals who one will often time, Look,

1968
01:55:54,680 --> 01:55:57,280
Speaker 1: the federal government is huge, and there are patriots all

1969
01:55:57,360 --> 01:55:59,440
Speaker 1: over the place where the federal government and great people

1970
01:55:59,480 --> 01:56:02,040
Speaker 1: and very hard working people. And it was funny and

1971
01:56:02,080 --> 01:56:03,680
Speaker 1: the c I A. I knew people who were really

1972
01:56:03,720 --> 01:56:06,000
Speaker 1: overpaid and really underpaid. But they were all making the

1973
01:56:06,080 --> 01:56:07,920
Speaker 1: same money, if you know what I mean. I mean

1974
01:56:07,960 --> 01:56:10,200
Speaker 1: there are people that the government was getting much more

1975
01:56:10,280 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: than it's money's worth from their efforts. And there were

1976
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:16,120
Speaker 1: people who uh, you know, shouldn't have They should have

1977
01:56:16,200 --> 01:56:18,760
Speaker 1: been paid what free summer interns get paid. They were lucky,

1978
01:56:18,800 --> 01:56:21,040
Speaker 1: they's got to show up and collect a paycheck. Both

1979
01:56:21,080 --> 01:56:23,400
Speaker 1: of those things existed, and they existed in a way

1980
01:56:23,440 --> 01:56:26,280
Speaker 1: that you don't see in the private sector usually or

1981
01:56:26,320 --> 01:56:30,080
Speaker 1: at least in the same fashion, because there's some sense

1982
01:56:30,120 --> 01:56:32,440
Speaker 1: of accountability. Right, It's not just well, we have a budget.

1983
01:56:32,520 --> 01:56:36,440
Speaker 1: We need bodies, bodies going chairs, bodies get paychecks. That's

1984
01:56:36,480 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 1: oftentimes what it feels like in some different parts of

1985
01:56:39,720 --> 01:56:43,280
Speaker 1: the federal government. So you've got this infiltration of the

1986
01:56:43,360 --> 01:56:48,120
Speaker 1: bureaucracy by progressives and by idealogus, and that they would

1987
01:56:48,440 --> 01:56:51,400
Speaker 1: think that they are going to do themselves any favors

1988
01:56:51,480 --> 01:56:56,720
Speaker 1: by blocking Trump's e p A UH nominee. Why do

1989
01:56:56,800 --> 01:56:57,880
Speaker 1: they think that the first of all, why do you

1990
01:56:57,920 --> 01:57:00,240
Speaker 1: think they'll get a better a better option the second

1991
01:57:00,280 --> 01:57:02,720
Speaker 1: time around. That's not clear to me at all. But

1992
01:57:02,960 --> 01:57:07,080
Speaker 1: also they look they as private citizens have every right

1993
01:57:07,800 --> 01:57:12,600
Speaker 1: to UH petition their senators or their congressmen or congresswomen,

1994
01:57:12,600 --> 01:57:15,320
Speaker 1: and that's fine. But then we have to also ask

1995
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:18,800
Speaker 1: the question, do we think that they maybe are working

1996
01:57:18,880 --> 01:57:20,880
Speaker 1: with that that they would work behind the scenes to

1997
01:57:22,280 --> 01:57:26,200
Speaker 1: sabotage Pruitt if he were to be the EPA director.

1998
01:57:27,160 --> 01:57:30,520
Speaker 1: Do we think that they would just decide to comply.

1999
01:57:30,880 --> 01:57:33,840
Speaker 1: We've already seen with some of the other agencies that

2000
01:57:34,120 --> 01:57:37,440
Speaker 1: whether it's the Department of Justice or some rogue elements

2001
01:57:37,440 --> 01:57:39,200
Speaker 1: in the intel community, there are people who take it

2002
01:57:39,280 --> 01:57:45,480
Speaker 1: upon themselves to enact UH their own little private political

2003
01:57:45,600 --> 01:57:48,800
Speaker 1: war against the incoming administration or now that the newly

2004
01:57:49,640 --> 01:57:53,600
Speaker 1: the newly formed administration, so e p A, you can

2005
01:57:53,640 --> 01:57:56,360
Speaker 1: imagine you can just get a sense of it given

2006
01:57:56,480 --> 01:57:58,760
Speaker 1: its mission and what it has been pushing so hard

2007
01:57:58,840 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 1: for and what it was doing. Remember under the Obama aministration,

2008
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: it was saying we can regulate air pollution and c

2009
01:58:04,600 --> 01:58:07,120
Speaker 1: O two, which CO two is not pollution, but they

2010
01:58:07,120 --> 01:58:10,120
Speaker 1: pretend that it's a pollutant between states, which gives them

2011
01:58:10,280 --> 01:58:12,880
Speaker 1: unlimited authority to authority to medal in all sorts of

2012
01:58:12,920 --> 01:58:15,200
Speaker 1: commercial enterprises. Those of you who are on hold, By

2013
01:58:15,240 --> 01:58:16,400
Speaker 1: the way, I'm sorry I didn't get to all the

2014
01:58:16,480 --> 01:58:18,800
Speaker 1: calls today called if you give us a ring tomorrow,

2015
01:58:18,840 --> 01:58:20,080
Speaker 1: we will get to you. We just had a ton

2016
01:58:20,160 --> 01:58:22,360
Speaker 1: of calls and we have a lot of great guests,

2017
01:58:22,360 --> 01:58:23,840
Speaker 1: and I didn't get to all the topics even that

2018
01:58:23,920 --> 01:58:25,920
Speaker 1: I wanted. This is my way of saying, please do

2019
01:58:26,080 --> 01:58:28,600
Speaker 1: join tomorrow night six to nine Eastern here in the

2020
01:58:28,680 --> 01:58:31,280
Speaker 1: Freedom Hunt, because we're gonna have a lot to talk

2021
01:58:31,320 --> 01:58:34,240
Speaker 1: about and I feel like I never have enough time

2022
01:58:34,320 --> 01:58:36,880
Speaker 1: with all of you, and tonight is one of those nights.

2023
01:58:37,040 --> 01:58:38,920
Speaker 1: I've got another three hours a show in my head,

2024
01:58:38,960 --> 01:58:42,080
Speaker 1: and I've got about ten seconds before I've got a bounce.

2025
01:58:42,160 --> 01:58:44,680
Speaker 1: So Team Buck, thank you so much for joining me

2026
01:58:44,720 --> 01:58:47,560
Speaker 1: on Buck Sex in America. Now until next time, Shields

2027
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Speaker 1: High