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Speaker 2: Right, oh man, time out was this Golden State and New.

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Speaker 1: York State ball heads? Free man, Hey, PJ cast free

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Speaker 1: That's what that was. Yeah, nah man, it was I

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Speaker 1: oh man, where am I Welcome to the NBA, young fellaw.

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Speaker 3: All right, we live on location, y'all. Me and Black

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Speaker 3: we got our O G triple og Jerry stack Dollar

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Speaker 3: a stackhouse live on location from Vanderbilt, Nashville, Tennessee.

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Speaker 2: Y'all, honoring privilege.

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Speaker 3: To how U O G y'all chilling with the head

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Speaker 4: You went to school in North Carolina High School in

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Speaker 4: North Carolina night but you transferred and went to Okhill.

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Speaker 1: Why are you transferred leaving school and go to o'kill

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Speaker 1: It was bro I mean it was like I drove

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Speaker 4: Could there have been anybody else outside of North Carolina.

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Speaker 1: And I think Virginia, you know. I mean I got

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Speaker 3: I mean, it's clear that education is something that's important

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Speaker 4: Absolutely, we get drafted to the seventy six. It was

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Speaker 1: Think about it. Man, just you know l A and

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Speaker 4: Like you said, you got drafted, and everybody who drafted

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Speaker 1: Like, ain't I ain't never lost like that? Bro? I

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Speaker 1: once you get with better players, better coaching and understanding

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Speaker 1: the whole man we were we won the Central Division.

435
00:20:21,400 --> 00:20:23,800
Speaker 1: There was big time. Man when when it is the cure.

436
00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,119
Speaker 4: All when you came up, of course we all wanted

437
00:20:26,119 --> 00:20:29,679
Speaker 4: to be MJ. But who else was you looking at

438
00:20:29,720 --> 00:20:31,680
Speaker 4: and watching that game? It was like, man, I want

439
00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:33,040
Speaker 4: I want to get some of that.

440
00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:36,640
Speaker 1: Man. I love James Worthy, bro. I mean that was

441
00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:39,960
Speaker 1: my man like really because I played at four I

442
00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,919
Speaker 1: never even played shooting guard until I was in the pros.

443
00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 1: Played the four man at North Carolina, right, so it's

444
00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 1: like me too, yeah, man, So I didn't. Man, it

445
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: was crazy when I was getting these comparisons and coming

446
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,560
Speaker 1: into Michael and Jordan's in the guard where they see

447
00:20:58,600 --> 00:21:01,640
Speaker 1: that they because I could, you know, run fast, get

448
00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,479
Speaker 1: out on the wing and dun't. But I had to

449
00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:07,879
Speaker 1: learn that position of it from ball handling standpoint, for

450
00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:10,520
Speaker 1: you know, picking rolls and all that and that once

451
00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,560
Speaker 1: you got your league. Man, I look back. I mean

452
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:17,040
Speaker 1: I averaged about probably almost four turnovers my rookie year.

453
00:21:17,240 --> 00:21:19,840
Speaker 1: I mean they were lucky that I was only averaging

454
00:21:19,920 --> 00:21:24,160
Speaker 1: four right right right, two of them. I was running

455
00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:25,960
Speaker 1: over people trying to, you know, get into that hole.

456
00:21:27,320 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even consider the charge to turnover,

457
00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 1: like they shouldn't have been in the way. Let it.

458
00:21:32,080 --> 00:21:34,159
Speaker 2: I don't know if you well, I know, you gotta remember.

459
00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:37,520
Speaker 3: I can't remember whether it was ninety nine, two thousand

460
00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 3: or two thousands. It was one of them year, one

461
00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:43,040
Speaker 3: of them summers. I used to be like, ohtack house,

462
00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:46,840
Speaker 3: this dude the ball. This man came over on from

463
00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,000
Speaker 3: Michigan on the boat with his two big boy whips

464
00:21:51,040 --> 00:21:53,280
Speaker 3: on the boat and pull up.

465
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Speaker 2: The hoops for a couple of weeks. But he did

466
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:56,960
Speaker 2: just came over on the boat.

467
00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,040
Speaker 3: I was like, dog, I don't know how much me

468
00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:01,640
Speaker 3: and my partners talked about that. That's something we were

469
00:22:01,680 --> 00:22:05,240
Speaker 3: so impressed, Like, bro, this man came up over here

470
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:07,359
Speaker 3: on the boat, brought the whips. He about to pull

471
00:22:07,440 --> 00:22:09,200
Speaker 3: up for a few weeks and work.

472
00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:17,320
Speaker 1: Out, show y'all young boys how to do that thing. Man.

473
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,920
Speaker 1: And I was, you know, country go up in North Carolina.

474
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:20,040
Speaker 3: Man.

475
00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,520
Speaker 1: I always you know, dreaming about going to the beach,

476
00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,280
Speaker 1: and you see all those boats out there. And I

477
00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:26,439
Speaker 1: got in the boat and kind of early, and so

478
00:22:26,480 --> 00:22:28,199
Speaker 1: I brought had got me a boat and brought it

479
00:22:28,240 --> 00:22:30,919
Speaker 1: around from Detroit. And then I had a duley with

480
00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,520
Speaker 1: a trailer. You know, I put them big boys in

481
00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,320
Speaker 1: the trailer and you know, driveing wherever I wanted to go,

482
00:22:36,400 --> 00:22:38,879
Speaker 1: whether I was taking it to Miami, North Carolina a

483
00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:41,480
Speaker 1: shot for a couple of weeks, you know, gave some

484
00:22:41,520 --> 00:22:44,199
Speaker 1: good run up at the hoops. I was trying to

485
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,919
Speaker 1: find a run, right, so let's let's post up there

486
00:22:46,960 --> 00:22:48,680
Speaker 1: for a week. Man. But it was it's all about

487
00:22:49,200 --> 00:22:52,159
Speaker 1: competing and playing. Man. There was some fun time walking.

488
00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: That's first time I saw the run, right.

489
00:22:54,320 --> 00:22:56,440
Speaker 3: And then you know, I was about to say, like

490
00:22:56,640 --> 00:23:00,000
Speaker 3: the hoops runs were so legendary. But I can remember

491
00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:02,160
Speaker 3: when I first come in there as a young boy.

492
00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 3: Me and Corey we fresh out of high school. We

493
00:23:04,840 --> 00:23:08,000
Speaker 3: ain't even in college at TG bring us in there.

494
00:23:08,080 --> 00:23:10,720
Speaker 3: You know how he do it ain't no, it ain't

495
00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,720
Speaker 3: no hiding. He picked the teams, he picked the matchups.

496
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 3: He tell you got him, you got him. So first

497
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:18,879
Speaker 3: half a long we up in there, Me and Corey

498
00:23:18,920 --> 00:23:21,919
Speaker 3: getting straight fired. We don't get to guard nobody but

499
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:26,800
Speaker 3: Mike Finley Scottie when he there like real boys at

500
00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,720
Speaker 3: the position. We like, man, God, I did TG like

501
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 3: he laughing at us every day, Like how you feel,

502
00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:33,919
Speaker 3: young fellas?

503
00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:34,919
Speaker 2: You know how TG is?

504
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,840
Speaker 3: We like man, when we gonna get to play against

505
00:23:36,880 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 3: each other. I thought we was gonna guard each other

506
00:23:39,000 --> 00:23:41,280
Speaker 3: something today, like you had us against all of the

507
00:23:41,320 --> 00:23:43,400
Speaker 3: people we watch up. You're like, no, no, that's gonna

508
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,120
Speaker 3: get y'all ready. I'm like, man, Me and Corey both

509
00:23:46,200 --> 00:23:48,160
Speaker 3: used to think. They're like, man, I think we're gonna

510
00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,560
Speaker 3: guard each other, right, like nah, put us up the

511
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:52,520
Speaker 3: mike or.

512
00:23:52,480 --> 00:23:54,720
Speaker 2: Somebody like, no doubt.

513
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,840
Speaker 1: Man. It was crazy that saying felt that dude show.

514
00:23:57,880 --> 00:24:00,159
Speaker 1: But again, those sad young dudes they was coming not.

515
00:24:00,240 --> 00:24:02,399
Speaker 1: I remember them dudes coming up to the car looking

516
00:24:02,440 --> 00:24:06,440
Speaker 1: into Bentley, you know, the whole nine Maverick and all

517
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:07,960
Speaker 1: those all exactly.

518
00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,200
Speaker 3: That was when twan Twine had brought Lebron Intoto the

519
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:13,800
Speaker 3: Who's for a while, he had Lebron had Twine had

520
00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:15,840
Speaker 3: him up there. He was hanging with Twine heavy. But

521
00:24:15,920 --> 00:24:19,600
Speaker 3: I definitely, man, I remember that about you bringing the whips.

522
00:24:19,640 --> 00:24:21,960
Speaker 3: I was one of the young boys looking like, man,

523
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,240
Speaker 3: look at this, Like you know, we can't see nothing

524
00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:25,360
Speaker 3: like this on our first deal.

525
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:27,560
Speaker 2: We gotta wait, do we get some big money like that?

526
00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,879
Speaker 2: That's what we started calling.

527
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:33,240
Speaker 1: Man, PJ. PJ Tuppy. When he used to go to

528
00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:35,359
Speaker 1: the summer league in North Carolina, He's like, man, that

529
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: was my motivation. Man. We used to run up to

530
00:24:37,600 --> 00:24:40,320
Speaker 1: the car, you know, just look in and I'm like, man,

531
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,879
Speaker 1: it's crazy, dudes. That's you know, in the league and

532
00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,880
Speaker 1: doing great things now, just that you know what what

533
00:24:45,920 --> 00:24:48,560
Speaker 1: they saw in some of that motivation, Man, that's what

534
00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: we see in our hood. Man. So I was glad

535
00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:53,080
Speaker 1: to be able to lead the way a little bit.

536
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:53,720
Speaker 1: Bro from that.

537
00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 3: Something on your nickname was stack dollar to all us

538
00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 3: and all my homeboys.

539
00:24:58,880 --> 00:24:59,719
Speaker 2: Let me ask you this.

540
00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:02,840
Speaker 3: You said, everybody sitting here watching the last dance, what

541
00:25:03,000 --> 00:25:05,399
Speaker 3: is your take on the last dances? Because I know

542
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,360
Speaker 3: for me especially I'm seeing some things from different perspectives

543
00:25:09,359 --> 00:25:11,320
Speaker 3: and in just a little different way because I was

544
00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 3: so much younger when it was happening.

545
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:14,440
Speaker 2: What's your perspective on it?

546
00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:16,840
Speaker 1: It shows it's some different ways to be great. You know.

547
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 1: Mike was great from the standpoint that he just pushed

548
00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 1: everybody and pushed himself. Found so many different challenges, you know,

549
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,920
Speaker 1: that made up challenges to motivate. Got to the point

550
00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:31,960
Speaker 1: where but again he had to get there. Isaiah and

551
00:25:32,000 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: them boys they used to you know, tap on his ass,

552
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,199
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, all of them like they

553
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:38,439
Speaker 1: couldn't beat them so serious, and he was having all

554
00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:42,080
Speaker 1: those big games Boston, they were still winning. And then

555
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:45,640
Speaker 1: he eventually got to that point, worked his way up there,

556
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:48,120
Speaker 1: got you know, the support and cast around him. Scotty

557
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:51,639
Speaker 1: being there was huge. It was tough, man, some of

558
00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: those tough moments, man, when you just see calling like

559
00:25:54,600 --> 00:25:59,040
Speaker 1: Scotty selfish with Scotty making thirty million and making thirty

560
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,200
Speaker 1: six man, but it's just like, oh, how can that

561
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,920
Speaker 1: this is man's you know, that's my man's in them.

562
00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, you're almost to the point where

563
00:26:08,119 --> 00:26:11,360
Speaker 1: he's like, man, man, we need to work. We work

564
00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 1: this to give him some of what I'm getting. But

565
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:16,640
Speaker 1: it's like, damn, he's been a part of this thing.

566
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:20,879
Speaker 1: But again that's to having the right representation and it's

567
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:24,560
Speaker 1: always important too. But man, there's so many different factors.

568
00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 1: I mean, the competitiveness that one segment with the Dream

569
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,680
Speaker 1: Team when him and Magic was going at it. Yeah,

570
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:31,879
Speaker 1: you know, Magic was throwing the ball and the stands.

571
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,440
Speaker 1: How competitive it got in there. Man, I could watch

572
00:26:34,520 --> 00:26:36,920
Speaker 1: that a hundred times in the row just to see

573
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,440
Speaker 1: how they interacted. And you know, it got so competitive

574
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 1: that nobody was talking. But you see that leadership. You know,

575
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,280
Speaker 1: once they get back on the bus, everybody quiet, and

576
00:26:47,320 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, Magic say something like I

577
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:50,959
Speaker 1: guess we should have been and then it just cracks

578
00:26:50,960 --> 00:26:53,040
Speaker 1: it and then they go on and do what they're

579
00:26:53,080 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: supposed to do. But that's just his charisma. Man knew

580
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:58,600
Speaker 1: that it was something that needs to be been said

581
00:26:58,680 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 1: right now and probably would have been and like, all right, man,

582
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:03,679
Speaker 1: I ain't saying that in the whole ride, right and

583
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:06,040
Speaker 1: good with it. Ain't got no problem. But so it

584
00:27:06,160 --> 00:27:08,280
Speaker 1: just shows it there's different ways to be great. I

585
00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:11,320
Speaker 1: think Magic was great because he was madic and re

586
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,720
Speaker 1: detest everybody and him was you know what I'm saying.

587
00:27:14,720 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: He alienated some some teammates or whatnot, But it was

588
00:27:18,080 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: all part of you know, if you're if you're a

589
00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,919
Speaker 1: Lebron fan, you don't like it because you know Lebron

590
00:27:25,040 --> 00:27:27,639
Speaker 1: is Alway's gonna pass. He gonna pass it. You know,

591
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: if if it comes to he's gonna make the right play,

592
00:27:31,160 --> 00:27:33,880
Speaker 1: him is gonna take that shot. So I just it's

593
00:27:33,920 --> 00:27:36,159
Speaker 1: it's different perspectives, and I think it's it's great that

594
00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: we don't have sports right now that we can have

595
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:39,640
Speaker 1: something to debate like that.

596
00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 4: You seeing Jordan how he was back in them Bulls days,

597
00:27:43,320 --> 00:27:47,320
Speaker 4: and when you play with Jordan's with the Wizards, do

598
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,280
Speaker 4: you see like, all right, I can understand why he

599
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 4: was that way when when he played with the Wizards.

600
00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,359
Speaker 1: Well, no, I think like it was a different Jordan

601
00:27:57,400 --> 00:28:00,399
Speaker 1: when he came back, you know, after the after you know,

602
00:28:00,840 --> 00:28:04,080
Speaker 1: uh came back to the Wizards. It was just different,

603
00:28:04,080 --> 00:28:07,280
Speaker 1: Like you know, we were damn here, you know, in

604
00:28:07,400 --> 00:28:11,520
Speaker 1: all him you know and the ninety those first three championships,

605
00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: right and then when he took the little hiatus and

606
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:16,320
Speaker 1: when he came back, you know, he kind of lost

607
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, even though they still

608
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,160
Speaker 1: want three in a row again, you know, it lost

609
00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:23,480
Speaker 1: a little bit of that. Okay, we feel like we

610
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:25,640
Speaker 1: can play and compete with him a little bit more.

611
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:28,520
Speaker 1: And then when he left that last time and came back,

612
00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,640
Speaker 1: it's like, oh no, we just it's a new game now,

613
00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:34,600
Speaker 1: you know. And even though he was still effective and

614
00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,840
Speaker 1: doing different things, people don't understand. I always talk about

615
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, you know I got traded to the Washington

616
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,440
Speaker 1: reason I got traded to Washington because I bust They asked,

617
00:28:43,480 --> 00:28:46,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, him and Rip Hamilton. You

618
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, we beat the four straight times.

619
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, go back and look at

620
00:28:49,960 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: that status. That's why they wanted me on that that

621
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: team is right, It's like he traded a young Rip

622
00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:59,360
Speaker 1: for shouldn't have never traded man. I was busting Rip

623
00:28:59,480 --> 00:29:02,600
Speaker 1: bast know what I'm saying. So it was like, you know,

624
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,160
Speaker 1: it wasn't even at that point. Yeah, he went to

625
00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,479
Speaker 1: Detroit and did they some magical things. We had already

626
00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,280
Speaker 1: built the foundation there and you know, they get she

627
00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:17,520
Speaker 1: somehow they just hand, the Detroit Pistons, Rashie Wallace seeing everything,

628
00:29:17,760 --> 00:29:20,160
Speaker 1: come on, man, you know that that was crazy.

629
00:29:20,280 --> 00:29:22,320
Speaker 2: So it's that was it right there too.

630
00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: So my mindset was like, man, I thought I was

631
00:29:26,000 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 1: coming in to kind of be the guy, and Mike

632
00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: was on his way out. But Mike was coming there

633
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 1: like this is this is not how I want to

634
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:35,520
Speaker 1: go out, you know. And to the point of where

635
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: you know, we were had a our fence. He changed

636
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:40,240
Speaker 1: that our fense, you know, dougs like, man, you know,

637
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 1: slow this thing down, pumped this thing to me and

638
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: the post a little bit play but it's Mike, but

639
00:29:46,280 --> 00:29:49,520
Speaker 1: again for me, you know, and it came out wrong.

640
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:52,200
Speaker 1: You know, I think when I said that, like like

641
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:55,600
Speaker 1: I was a better player than Michael Jordan's That sounds crazy, right,

642
00:29:56,080 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Michael Jordan the greats, But at that time I was

643
00:29:59,640 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: better suited to carry that team. I was twenty nine

644
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:05,880
Speaker 1: and I just showed you the year before that, you know,

645
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:12,760
Speaker 1: without you or we so back and watch that tape, man,

646
00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:16,080
Speaker 1: the tape don't lie. So so it was just a

647
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,560
Speaker 1: different thing, and we you know kind of you know,

648
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,640
Speaker 1: we worked well together. We tiptoed around each other. Man

649
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: because we were affles. You know what I'm saying, I

650
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,480
Speaker 1: didn't you know, we was like, man, he stayed in

651
00:30:25,480 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: this space. But it was just some of the things

652
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: that I saw. Man with our younger guys, that was like, man,

653
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: you know, when we had success, it was you know,

654
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 1: we When we didn't have success, it was day you know,

655
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:39,320
Speaker 1: and it was it wasn't that me, you know, I mean,

656
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,160
Speaker 1: I didn't have no problems, you know what it was.

657
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:45,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm always standing up for myself. But you know,

658
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: just seeing it and you know, you hear about it,

659
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: like we're hearing about what's going on in the Chicago Bulls,

660
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:52,920
Speaker 1: and it seemed like it's like it's all right, it's

661
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: just's entertaining right now. But if you're right in the

662
00:30:55,320 --> 00:30:58,240
Speaker 1: middle of it, it's like, you know, it ain't that

663
00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 1: ain't really cool, you know what I'm saying, But it

664
00:31:01,120 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 1: is what it is. And then it's just kind of

665
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:05,320
Speaker 1: like a traveling the circus. It Mike's last year, so

666
00:31:05,440 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: a lot of different factors.

667
00:31:06,960 --> 00:31:09,080
Speaker 2: Everywhere was crazy. It was crazy.

668
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: Man. We're in the second round of the playoffs and

669
00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: I'm now I'm with a team talking about making the

670
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: playoffs for the first time in nine and ten years.

671
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 1: So yeah, I didn't necessarily want to be there, you

672
00:31:19,680 --> 00:31:21,680
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, even though it was cool to

673
00:31:21,760 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 1: thart of playing with Michael join for that year that

674
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 1: I was gonna be able to depick his brain, and

675
00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,720
Speaker 1: but it just felt like it was somewhat adversaria. We

676
00:31:31,800 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 1: had been like competitors so so long that it just

677
00:31:35,520 --> 00:31:39,600
Speaker 1: didn't didn't flow, you know, like in order for if he,

678
00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,280
Speaker 1: if I was being featured, then he was standing and

679
00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,600
Speaker 1: he was a spot up shooter, not a spot up shooter.

680
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: If he if Mike was being posted, then I was

681
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 1: standing as a spot up shooter. At that point in

682
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 1: my career, I didn't want to be a spot up

683
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:54,760
Speaker 1: shooter or I feel like I should be a spot

684
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:57,800
Speaker 1: up shooter. So it was just man a dynamic and

685
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: a fit that didn't work. But yeah, I got no

686
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: problem is still saying that Michael Jordan is the greatest

687
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,000
Speaker 1: basketball player of all time and the pact that he

688
00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:09,600
Speaker 1: had on all of us, you know, wanting to go

689
00:32:09,680 --> 00:32:11,600
Speaker 1: to the basket to finish and dunk and do all

690
00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:13,800
Speaker 1: of those types of things. We got a lot of that,

691
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,240
Speaker 1: you know, from him, and you can't take that away

692
00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:22,600
Speaker 1: from him. Yeah, I want to ask you who instilled

693
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: the game in you?

694
00:32:23,600 --> 00:32:27,400
Speaker 4: Like, just you hard nose, you tough, you get buckets,

695
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:32,200
Speaker 4: like you you well respected, like you're gonna demand respect,

696
00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:34,520
Speaker 4: Like who put that in you?

697
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:39,800
Speaker 1: My brother? Man? You play my brothers. I mean, I'm

698
00:32:39,840 --> 00:32:43,400
Speaker 1: the youngest of eight boys, right, and they all played

699
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:46,000
Speaker 1: at you know, at a certain level. But my brother,

700
00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,440
Speaker 1: my closest brother, my brother Tony. You've probably seen him

701
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: with me, probably six years older than me. He played

702
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:52,520
Speaker 1: off the seas for fifteen years. Man. He's the best

703
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: scorer that I've ever seen, right, So, I mean, and

704
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:58,240
Speaker 1: I've seen all type of Jordan's and all of that,

705
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 1: but anybody that play against him and ask him about

706
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480
Speaker 1: Tony Dawson and what he could do on the basketball

707
00:33:03,480 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: court when it to come to score, and just telling

708
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,920
Speaker 1: you guys that were supposed to being real defenders, you know,

709
00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 1: they got it. So it was like, you know, we

710
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 1: we couldn't even play against each other. I mean, we

711
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 1: just straight start fighting. Man. My mama had to make

712
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: us stop playing because you know, I was at getting

713
00:33:18,920 --> 00:33:20,960
Speaker 1: to that point in high school, you know, because he

714
00:33:21,040 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 1: was the college playing overseas and man, they was calling

715
00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:27,040
Speaker 1: people talking to him talking about man, your brother coming,

716
00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 1: and he's like, man, whatever. So whenever he would come

717
00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: back home, that was my big test, you know. And

718
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:34,360
Speaker 1: my brother next brother too, He used to come back

719
00:33:34,360 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: home and I always challenge myself against him, and man,

720
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:39,720
Speaker 1: he would you know, I would have some success, and

721
00:33:39,720 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden he started putting it on me.

722
00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:43,880
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. You know, I go in

723
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: the house crying, like you started playing like a man,

724
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: Like that's that's what you like a man. And I

725
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: think that just instilled in me. Man. I felt like

726
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:54,600
Speaker 1: if I could beat them dudes. You know, it wasn't

727
00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:57,520
Speaker 1: another high school of my age, another college playing my

728
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: age or what I even when I got to the

729
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:04,400
Speaker 1: pro even I had the best jump shot or the

730
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: best crossover, but you was gonna, you know, you was

731
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:08,840
Speaker 1: gonna battle with me. You know what I'm saying. I

732
00:34:08,880 --> 00:34:11,440
Speaker 1: think that's all you want, the respect of you guys.

733
00:34:11,520 --> 00:34:13,719
Speaker 1: You know they know when they came to see me,

734
00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:18,160
Speaker 1: what you're gonna have to scrap it up. You have

735
00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,880
Speaker 1: a lot of hob nobvin and talking. I used to

736
00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:23,719
Speaker 1: hate when my teammates did all that ship. Man, come on,

737
00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 1: you you know, come on, you talk to him after

738
00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 1: the game. Right now, it was like man more Cleaves.

739
00:34:28,080 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: It's like man Stack had me, had me hating everybody

740
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 1: in the league when I played with him, But now it's.

741
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,920
Speaker 3: Just I'm telling you that's the same way we feel,

742
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:39,080
Speaker 3: whether you are All Star or not. You know, when

743
00:34:39,120 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 3: you look across at your opponent, I got I got

744
00:34:41,520 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 3: his respect. It don't really matter about not a fan

745
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:46,200
Speaker 3: of nobody else in there. When we got the respect

746
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,760
Speaker 3: of our peers, That's what it is about, no doubt.

747
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 3: They know. Man, It's like and I means it was

748
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 3: a tough every night. Man, you think about it, so

749
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:57,640
Speaker 3: many guys that you kind of don't really get the

750
00:34:57,719 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 3: notoriety or the credit players me talk about. You know

751
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 3: Alan Houston and you know he you know Eddie Jones,

752
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 3: you know every night Miss Richmond.

753
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,440
Speaker 1: Every night it was it was somebody like named the

754
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 1: black people probably don't know Bobby Fields. Bobby Fields gave

755
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: me more problems than anybody because he guard on the post.

756
00:35:17,400 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 1: He could guard on it.

757
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 2: He was strong.

758
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:24,880
Speaker 1: About monster mass mask work. Oh come on, man, So

759
00:35:24,920 --> 00:35:27,040
Speaker 1: who asked me who was the first one to bust

760
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:28,600
Speaker 1: my ass? Who was the first one to bust your

761
00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: ass when you got in the league.

762
00:35:29,880 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 4: Whatever, jump hook my ass a whole game and I

763
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:35,200
Speaker 4: tried to time it.

764
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:36,440
Speaker 1: I tried to get it.

765
00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,280
Speaker 4: I tried to front him, I tried to do everything,

766
00:35:39,520 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 4: and he jump hooked me for about thirty six I felt.

767
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,080
Speaker 1: I felt like the whole thirty six was on me.

768
00:35:47,120 --> 00:35:51,000
Speaker 3: That man, your first time I ever got to start.

769
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,520
Speaker 3: It was a preseason game in Denver. But Sean Leonard

770
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,040
Speaker 3: gave me seventeen in the first six minutes.

771
00:35:58,080 --> 00:35:59,840
Speaker 2: I came and sat down at the six minute.

772
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 3: He from Detroit, but but but but even Michigan some well,

773
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,359
Speaker 3: but listen, I'm just I wasn't respected. I'm like, man,

774
00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: for se let it. Man, I'm about to you know

775
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, he ain't one of them. I'm about

776
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:16,319
Speaker 3: to get six minutes into it, between the altitude and

777
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,840
Speaker 3: him with his game, I was dying. I don't know

778
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: what he finished with. I know that first six minutes

779
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,319
Speaker 3: I felt all of it.

780
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:26,439
Speaker 1: Man, Hey, he could get hot now, you know, because

781
00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:28,839
Speaker 1: he was down. That's probably after he was in Miami, right,

782
00:36:28,880 --> 00:36:35,520
Speaker 1: because he was in Miami. First, boys filing everybody hard.

783
00:36:35,920 --> 00:36:37,920
Speaker 1: You're not ready to go to blows with them boys,

784
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:39,320
Speaker 1: every time you go through line.

785
00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:43,399
Speaker 4: You came up in the era where physicality was like

786
00:36:43,560 --> 00:36:46,319
Speaker 4: one of the options and like you're gonna play hard,

787
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 4: it's gonna be real physical. Now today they don't really

788
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:52,799
Speaker 4: let you touch as much. They don't really concentrate much

789
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 4: on defense or give defenders too much chance on stopping somebody.

790
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,640
Speaker 4: So what you think about from that game to now game?

791
00:37:02,239 --> 00:37:05,440
Speaker 1: What you like about it? I think the eras are different, right,

792
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: It's just a different style now where the guys are

793
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:11,480
Speaker 1: utilizing the three way way more than we did. And

794
00:37:11,560 --> 00:37:14,239
Speaker 1: it's like, man, you took seven threes in the game.

795
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:16,680
Speaker 1: It's like, what is going on? You need to drive

796
00:37:16,760 --> 00:37:20,320
Speaker 1: to the basket. Now it's people average shooting seven threes

797
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: a game.

798
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:24,000
Speaker 2: But man, in the first half.

799
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,759
Speaker 1: The first half exactly, look at that, Jane and what

800
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: are you doing? Man? That's crazy and it's fun to watch,

801
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:33,040
Speaker 1: like people say what they want to. Yeah, I mean

802
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:36,160
Speaker 1: we like that physical style, but if they were as

803
00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: lax and not you know, line straight line drives now, Man,

804
00:37:39,960 --> 00:37:42,640
Speaker 1: I was shooting ten eleven free throws back then, and

805
00:37:43,320 --> 00:37:46,640
Speaker 1: free throws out of it exactly or getting something easy, man,

806
00:37:46,719 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: so it's it's a different game a different time. You know,

807
00:37:50,120 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: the spacing. I don't know when you guys got there

808
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:56,080
Speaker 1: where you had to be lifted right, yeah, yeah, yeah,

809
00:37:56,120 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 1: to be on your man at the top. Yeah. Man,

810
00:37:59,120 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: you could sit there and and just dance all day,

811
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 1: step off with guys and whatnot. You see, you know,

812
00:38:05,480 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: two guys up there, so you're pretty much playing one

813
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:11,799
Speaker 1: on one and then on one they were too late. Man.

814
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 1: So you know, I got to tell in of that

815
00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:16,280
Speaker 1: kind of the twenty twelve. You know, it was about

816
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,800
Speaker 1: the three and at that point I was a spot

817
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,240
Speaker 1: up corner shooter anyway, So like I got all three

818
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,000
Speaker 1: of those errors. Man. I think being able to catch

819
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,359
Speaker 1: the tail in and Mike Kobe and then to see

820
00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 1: Lebron kind of carry it from there, so I was

821
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: able to As.

822
00:38:31,520 --> 00:38:33,600
Speaker 3: A college coach, I feel like you're one of the

823
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:35,160
Speaker 3: type of dudes that can still get out there.

824
00:38:35,160 --> 00:38:35,799
Speaker 2: You could do a little.

825
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:37,520
Speaker 3: I mean, you ain't gonna go too far, but you

826
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: can still hoop with him. You traditionally an old school, tough,

827
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,040
Speaker 3: physical guy. How do you try and translate what you

828
00:38:44,080 --> 00:38:46,719
Speaker 3: know to your players into your team? Knowing that the

829
00:38:46,800 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 3: game is so different today, and like all of the

830
00:38:49,360 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 3: differences different between the eras and what they are doing. Now,

831
00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:54,279
Speaker 3: how do you translate and poortant to them?

832
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:54,839
Speaker 2: What you know?

833
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,080
Speaker 1: Well, man, it's like, do do what I say, not

834
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,120
Speaker 1: what I do, because I'm gonna get down here on

835
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,280
Speaker 1: this block and take some of these mid range jumpers,

836
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:03,879
Speaker 1: but I don't want you taking as many of us,

837
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: Like get to the bank right, get it more of

838
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: a high percent and shot or spread, you know, even

839
00:39:10,080 --> 00:39:12,560
Speaker 1: with the three, instead of taking the one driple pull up,

840
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 1: which we always worked on, like you would take it

841
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,239
Speaker 1: three one dribble pull up right, one dribble pull up

842
00:39:17,320 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 1: left right. Now it's more sidestep shot, fake side steps,

843
00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:24,759
Speaker 1: stay behind, get more money, you know. And again like

844
00:39:25,239 --> 00:39:27,680
Speaker 1: it's just a different time, man, Like I wouldn't like

845
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: my game, you know right now in this era, be off,

846
00:39:31,360 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 1: you know, off the block a little bit in that

847
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:37,680
Speaker 1: mid post area, trying to get to the lane pull

848
00:39:37,800 --> 00:39:40,680
Speaker 1: up you know, long twos we thought nothing about it.

849
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: It is really literally the worst shot in basketball because

850
00:39:43,600 --> 00:39:46,800
Speaker 1: even if you make it, two more inches and we

851
00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: got another point on the board. So the analytics play

852
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 1: a huge part in it. In some of my thinking now.

853
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: But at the same time, it's about taking advantage of personnel.

854
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:56,839
Speaker 1: If I get a guy that can go down on

855
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 1: can wear your ass out on the block, I'm gonna

856
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:01,839
Speaker 1: punch it in to him. We're gonna split and we're

857
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:03,839
Speaker 1: gonna do that. But if we don't have that type

858
00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:06,359
Speaker 1: of guy, then we're gonna play five out. You know,

859
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: put that put that big up top, let him d

860
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:10,600
Speaker 1: H O each way, play out of that delay action.

861
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:12,920
Speaker 1: And I just think it opens up the floor and

862
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,600
Speaker 1: create more opportunity in today's game, and that's what we

863
00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: want to teachee. All these kids have aspirations of playing

864
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: at that next level. So I think that, you know,

865
00:40:20,760 --> 00:40:23,160
Speaker 1: the good thing for me is that's where I come from.

866
00:40:23,280 --> 00:40:26,040
Speaker 1: You know, the last few years coaching in the G League,

867
00:40:26,120 --> 00:40:28,840
Speaker 1: coaching with the Raptors, that I saw the game and

868
00:40:28,880 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: I think we were ahead of the game. You see,

869
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,279
Speaker 1: you know the things that we were doing and it

870
00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,759
Speaker 1: works and the World champions right right now, and I

871
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: think we all kind of had a hand in, you know,

872
00:40:39,080 --> 00:40:41,640
Speaker 1: how they play in the style that we play.

873
00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 3: At what point did you figure out, like, man, I

874
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 3: might want to coach that this is something that I

875
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 3: want to do, and I got a passion.

876
00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:50,960
Speaker 1: For well, I mean I think always as I got older,

877
00:40:51,040 --> 00:40:53,600
Speaker 1: like I played forever, right, and so when I got older,

878
00:40:54,040 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: you know in Dallas, you know, AVER used to be

879
00:40:57,200 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: like that guy. You know, I'm tired these guys, I know,

880
00:40:59,680 --> 00:41:02,200
Speaker 1: they time to hear my voice, run the film session.

881
00:41:02,239 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying today, all right? So then

882
00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:06,640
Speaker 1: I got just that, you know, being able to understand

883
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:09,760
Speaker 1: the game and see the game and how and the things.

884
00:41:09,760 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: And that was the best team that I was on.

885
00:41:11,440 --> 00:41:13,400
Speaker 1: You know, went to the finals, lost to Miami in

886
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 1: the finals and ose six, but just the way we

887
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: approached things. From that, I was going to watch my

888
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:21,680
Speaker 1: son play I think you seven eighth grade going to

889
00:41:22,000 --> 00:41:25,319
Speaker 1: AU game. I was back home and they was just man,

890
00:41:25,400 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: they was ragtag basketball. I could watch it. I was like, man,

891
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 1: I could do something with this group. So I took

892
00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 1: that team. You know, those guys, started working out with them,

893
00:41:33,600 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: and I started my AAU program. From there, I started

894
00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: watching these kids getting better and better, and we were

895
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:42,719
Speaker 1: beating team way more talented just because we had a

896
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: system and understanding of what we were doing. And you know,

897
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:47,160
Speaker 1: they asked me to coach the All Star team. We

898
00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:49,919
Speaker 1: start kicking everybody asked on the DIDA circuit to where

899
00:41:49,920 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: they asked me to take the All Star team to Travizo, Italy,

900
00:41:53,640 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 1: where you know, all of the gms and the owners

901
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,480
Speaker 1: and everybody at for the summer. There I see besides

902
00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 1: see me on the on the sideline work and coaching.

903
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, and that he was trying

904
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: to bring a player on board. We had talked to

905
00:42:06,239 --> 00:42:07,640
Speaker 1: him and for a little bit he kind of knew

906
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,320
Speaker 1: of me. Even when he was in Dallas. My agent

907
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 1: had always kind of brought me up to him and

908
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,600
Speaker 1: he was like, you know, call me. I interviewed with

909
00:42:14,640 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: coach Casey. Coach Casey was like, come on, you know

910
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,440
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. So I got on and you know,

911
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 1: one year I was behind the bench with the Raptors,

912
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,000
Speaker 1: you know, just working, grinding with the normal powers, all

913
00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,759
Speaker 1: the young players. The next year came back to Jesse

914
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:31,120
Speaker 1: Murmers took the job in l A and it was

915
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,319
Speaker 1: opening for the G League. Asked me to coach the

916
00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:36,960
Speaker 1: G League. So I took it and it was like,

917
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: you know, very people were saying, man, you're close, just

918
00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: stay on the assistant. You because I mean I felt like,

919
00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: no matter what happened, I was always going to have

920
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 1: that tag of not having a head coaching experience. So

921
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 1: even though I took a step back, I actually took

922
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: you know, once I did that and went to the

923
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,080
Speaker 1: G League and won a G League championship and went

924
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: back to the finals, you know, the second year, it's like,

925
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 1: damn this boy. Now that catapult me in front of

926
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: a lot of guys as far as being one of

927
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:07,439
Speaker 1: the next guys on the list for head coaching job.

928
00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,759
Speaker 1: You know, I interviewed, you know, two or three jobs,

929
00:43:10,840 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: and I didn't expect to get it that first year.

930
00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: And then that next year. Before I could really get

931
00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: into that process again, Vanderbilt reached out to me, the

932
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:21,759
Speaker 1: president of the G League, who has saw me, you know,

933
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,279
Speaker 1: really developed you know those young guys had you know,

934
00:43:24,320 --> 00:43:26,239
Speaker 1: how the G League go. You got guys coming up

935
00:43:26,280 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: and down, and you're still able to be consistent to

936
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: have a style. You know. He you know, he had

937
00:43:30,920 --> 00:43:32,799
Speaker 1: an eye for that, and he was like, man, this

938
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: is what we need at this university. We may not

939
00:43:35,080 --> 00:43:37,839
Speaker 1: get all of the five star talent, but we got

940
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: to be able to develop them. So this was a

941
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 1: good fit and I didn't know. Probably would have got

942
00:43:42,760 --> 00:43:45,719
Speaker 1: some interviews and whatnot, but I was ready to get

943
00:43:45,719 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 1: back to my element. Even though being an assistant coach

944
00:43:48,440 --> 00:43:50,800
Speaker 1: is cool, and I worked for JV Vickers staff and

945
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 1: Memphis after I left Toronto, but it ain't nothing like

946
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: running your own thing. And man, I love it. I mean,

947
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:00,520
Speaker 1: I love being able to work with the younger even

948
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:02,920
Speaker 1: though I love working with pros man because you know,

949
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,920
Speaker 1: they get better too, But it's something about seeing that

950
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 1: we're all young talent. So I mean, I really enjoyed

951
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:11,200
Speaker 1: the grassroots. So now this puts me even closer to

952
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:15,120
Speaker 1: those guys. My ties for my AU helps with recruiting

953
00:44:15,160 --> 00:44:17,200
Speaker 1: because I know a lot of those guys, especially in

954
00:44:17,239 --> 00:44:20,280
Speaker 1: this market, you know, kind of being in the Southeast Conference,

955
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:23,040
Speaker 1: being in Georgia, being from North Carolina, especially with the

956
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: pandemic now, kids that want to stay a little closer

957
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 1: to home from from that standpoint, just getting in the

958
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,399
Speaker 1: gym with them, grinding with them, seeing them get better.

959
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,799
Speaker 1: Now we got to worry about the academics a little bit.

960
00:44:32,800 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: But the thing about here, you know, we get really

961
00:44:35,560 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 1: good kids. Man, I don't I can go to sleep

962
00:44:37,680 --> 00:44:39,600
Speaker 1: at night and not worrying about getting a phone call

963
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: about you know, such and such guys arrested or it's

964
00:44:42,640 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: a guy into dist and got into that. So you know,

965
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,120
Speaker 1: maybe it's a little tougher to get in here academically, right.

966
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,359
Speaker 1: Kids got to really be glued locked in to come

967
00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 1: here and have success academically. So I don't have as

968
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: big a pool as say some other schools that could

969
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,640
Speaker 1: get you know, kids in it. Any way, I have

970
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,359
Speaker 1: to go the other route. I got to go out

971
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: and find the kids in grades and now, you know, okay,

972
00:45:04,040 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 1: can they hoop? And then I locked locked it in

973
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: on them, you know what I'm saying. So I think

974
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 1: there's enough of them that that we can still have

975
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:15,279
Speaker 1: big success here. Because I didn't really know a lot

976
00:45:15,320 --> 00:45:18,880
Speaker 1: about the SEC conference coming from the ACC. You know,

977
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:21,960
Speaker 1: it's some rich history of van the building, you know,

978
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:25,880
Speaker 1: beating the Kentucky's and beating the Tennessee's. So just understanding

979
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,839
Speaker 1: that we got an opportunity to get back to that

980
00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 1: they asked me to do it. Man, I'm just thankful

981
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,120
Speaker 1: that the God to put me in this position. It's

982
00:45:33,160 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: not as many African American brothers that's able to say

983
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:38,759
Speaker 1: that they're head coach of a power fire school. Yeah,

984
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 1: I don't take that charge like that off you.

985
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:47,400
Speaker 3: I love the fact that guys like you Juwan Penny

986
00:45:47,960 --> 00:45:51,480
Speaker 3: and Pat big Og talked to him that I love that,

987
00:45:51,600 --> 00:45:55,640
Speaker 3: y'all because it's not a lot of players like you said,

988
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:59,120
Speaker 3: we don't get the opportunity. But everybody can't do it too,

989
00:45:59,200 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 3: you know what I'm saying, Like everybody can't coach, everybody

990
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,239
Speaker 3: can't retain that information, and you know how you play

991
00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,680
Speaker 3: with teammates and different guys, and it's only all of

992
00:46:08,760 --> 00:46:11,680
Speaker 3: us can't just step off the court and then still

993
00:46:11,719 --> 00:46:14,480
Speaker 3: teach everything that we know and give that knowledge and

994
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,840
Speaker 3: be able to articulate. So for me to see y'all

995
00:46:16,880 --> 00:46:19,400
Speaker 3: guys like I know, if I'm coming out of high school,

996
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:21,439
Speaker 3: like then one of y'all, you know what I'm saying,

997
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, that's a dude that literally did it.

998
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 3: He did what I want to do to the highest level.

999
00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:28,880
Speaker 3: Like when you look at a you a pad of

1000
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 3: pen any of those guys like y'all have done it.

1001
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:34,799
Speaker 3: So as long as everything else y'all do on line up,

1002
00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:36,840
Speaker 3: this would this would be a great choice for me

1003
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,680
Speaker 3: because everybody who playing basketball. They want to make it

1004
00:46:39,680 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: to the NBA. I don't care what they say. You know,

1005
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 3: everybody they want to make it to the league. That's

1006
00:46:43,600 --> 00:46:45,319
Speaker 3: their goal. That's why they want to go and pick

1007
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 3: they college and do all this. So for me, that

1008
00:46:48,280 --> 00:46:50,279
Speaker 3: would be my preference for I want to go for

1009
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 3: and play for somebody who played, who did it, who

1010
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,000
Speaker 3: set in them seats, who know what it takes. I'm

1011
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,759
Speaker 3: not knocking anybody else, but I'm just saying me personally,

1012
00:46:58,200 --> 00:47:00,800
Speaker 3: that's what I would want to know. Because certain people

1013
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:03,760
Speaker 3: can't tell you you played nineteen years in the league

1014
00:47:04,760 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 3: if they didn't make the NBA. They can't speak on

1015
00:47:07,360 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 3: certain things that you can. They can't. They can talk

1016
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: about it, but they can't say they lived that, they

1017
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,160
Speaker 3: walked that. They might have heard it from this person

1018
00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:17,120
Speaker 3: to that person, like you lived it and you know

1019
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:19,640
Speaker 3: what that is and you can articulate it different than

1020
00:47:19,680 --> 00:47:21,880
Speaker 3: anybody who hasn't care. I don't care when nobody say

1021
00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:24,960
Speaker 3: it's certain things that that we privileged to because we

1022
00:47:24,960 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 3: were in those seats. We did this with everything from

1023
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 3: the plane to the draft to anything you want to

1024
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,040
Speaker 3: talk about that we are privy to. Only us nobody

1025
00:47:33,120 --> 00:47:35,480
Speaker 3: else can speak on that. And you got that lot

1026
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:37,120
Speaker 3: as a gift to them, And that's to me, that's

1027
00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 3: what you A young dude, who ain't you know what

1028
00:47:39,239 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 3: I'm saying. You not like crazy old you can relate.

1029
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 3: You then coached AU, You then coached in the G

1030
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 3: League and the NBA, and you played that check every

1031
00:47:47,600 --> 00:47:48,920
Speaker 3: box I need to know about it.

1032
00:47:49,080 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: No you Oh but you ain't crazy, yo, you know No. No,

1033
00:47:53,640 --> 00:47:56,000
Speaker 1: I still get out there, man. I think that's that's

1034
00:47:56,040 --> 00:47:58,719
Speaker 1: the beauty of it. I can show them what you like.

1035
00:47:58,960 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 1: I ain't going up and play a whole quarter, but

1036
00:48:02,160 --> 00:48:04,760
Speaker 1: you know, in this shell, I'm gonna get some buckets

1037
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: in the shell.

1038
00:48:10,560 --> 00:48:11,200
Speaker 2: If you want to.

1039
00:48:12,239 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 4: You know, how is the quarantine for you and your team?

1040
00:48:15,760 --> 00:48:18,640
Speaker 4: And how was the process on recruiting.

1041
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:20,719
Speaker 1: As far as our guys, You know, it was just

1042
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,759
Speaker 1: the focus with them was just getting them through through

1043
00:48:23,800 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 1: the semester. Everything came to just abrupt halt right right

1044
00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:30,000
Speaker 1: after the you know, the SEC tournament. We were actually

1045
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 1: the last game in the SEC tournament. Then they canceled,

1046
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,120
Speaker 1: so you know, guys just took off. You know, they

1047
00:48:35,120 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: weren't able to get stuff out of the domes and

1048
00:48:37,520 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 1: that stuff, so they but we've just been communicating with them, man,

1049
00:48:41,440 --> 00:48:43,600
Speaker 1: trying to stay on them about staying in the gym,

1050
00:48:43,600 --> 00:48:45,160
Speaker 1: because no, we're gonna come out of this at some

1051
00:48:45,200 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: point and make sure that you're ready. Unfortunately for our guys,

1052
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:50,280
Speaker 1: they got access to gyms, so we're in a good spot.

1053
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,720
Speaker 1: I tried to talk to them probably every couple of weeks,

1054
00:48:53,200 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: just making sure that everybody's good. But man, we were

1055
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,440
Speaker 1: on a really good up tick how we finished the season,

1056
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,399
Speaker 1: so it's kind of disappointed, you know, we weren't able

1057
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 1: to carry that right into the summer. But it is

1058
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,279
Speaker 1: what it is that those challenges are for everybody. Like,

1059
00:49:06,320 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: it's not like we're at a disadvantage. Nobody's able to recruit.

1060
00:49:09,280 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 1: We've had some signings a guy that never came to campus.

1061
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,919
Speaker 1: He was scheduled to come and the spring was able

1062
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,200
Speaker 1: to make it, but we're still assigned with it. So

1063
00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 1: I think our staff did a really good job of

1064
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:23,200
Speaker 1: making the most of the situation and still being able

1065
00:49:23,239 --> 00:49:26,240
Speaker 1: to again talk to him and look at him as

1066
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: like we're looking at each other right now, and I

1067
00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: think they can see that sincerity of what we can

1068
00:49:30,360 --> 00:49:32,279
Speaker 1: offer for him and how we can help them.

1069
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,239
Speaker 3: Did you guys have any seniors on your teams, and

1070
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 3: if so, what are you telling those people that didn't

1071
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:40,319
Speaker 3: get to play in the tournaments and to respect those

1072
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:41,640
Speaker 3: sports and things like that.

1073
00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 1: I mean, fortunately for us Man that we only had

1074
00:49:45,680 --> 00:49:48,720
Speaker 1: one guy and he had a medical red shirt. Okay,

1075
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: so he got earlier in the year, so he was

1076
00:49:51,640 --> 00:49:53,799
Speaker 1: granted a medical red shirt, so he's gonna come back.

1077
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,560
Speaker 1: But it is disheartening, man, to some of these kids

1078
00:49:56,560 --> 00:50:00,239
Speaker 1: that have waited for that, you know, the opportunity to

1079
00:50:00,239 --> 00:50:02,760
Speaker 1: play it, and we're having great years and wanted to

1080
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:05,359
Speaker 1: try to showcase that because, like you know, people don't

1081
00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 1: understand like eighty five percent of the people that have

1082
00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: gotten drafted, you know, out of the last probably four

1083
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: hundred players played in that tournament. You know, that's your showcase,

1084
00:50:15,000 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: and those kids didn't get it. And it's just March

1085
00:50:17,680 --> 00:50:21,120
Speaker 1: Madness is so important to college basketball and college universities

1086
00:50:21,120 --> 00:50:24,239
Speaker 1: in generally provides so much revenue for all of the

1087
00:50:24,280 --> 00:50:28,480
Speaker 1: other sports. It's gonna have some drastic effects on universities

1088
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,759
Speaker 1: and put a really strain on financial budget. So everybody's

1089
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:33,839
Speaker 1: trying to scale back and just kind of be as

1090
00:50:34,160 --> 00:50:36,920
Speaker 1: as diligent as possible when you're looking at you know,

1091
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 1: finances and spending right now, you know hiring and all

1092
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,560
Speaker 1: those types of things. So it's important.

1093
00:50:42,239 --> 00:50:44,840
Speaker 4: If you had to pick four other players that you

1094
00:50:44,920 --> 00:50:47,440
Speaker 4: don't play with in your career to play with you,

1095
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 4: who would be the four players?

1096
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:53,000
Speaker 1: No matter what team or whatever, it's just four other

1097
00:50:53,040 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 1: players that you don't play with. Who would be the

1098
00:50:54,960 --> 00:51:07,120
Speaker 1: four club? Okay, it'd be lebron uh, Ben Wallace, m

1099
00:51:08,800 --> 00:51:22,600
Speaker 1: Eric Dwayne Wade and Jason Terry h Do you remember

1100
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:25,080
Speaker 1: the first person you dumped on when you was in leg.

1101
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:28,000
Speaker 2: The first body?

1102
00:51:28,040 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 1: Man? I was first body might have been old in

1103
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 1: Polony old.

1104
00:51:35,880 --> 00:51:36,120
Speaker 2: Play.

1105
00:51:38,239 --> 00:51:39,160
Speaker 1: You see how you see?

1106
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:40,319
Speaker 4: You see how you said?

1107
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:41,719
Speaker 1: Seven? You go?

1108
00:51:41,880 --> 00:51:42,239
Speaker 2: Here you go?

1109
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 1: Q time about man first person I dunked with? Mookie Blaylock?

1110
00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:49,080
Speaker 1: You justkie the.

1111
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:53,800
Speaker 2: First of all? First of all, I called myself.

1112
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:57,359
Speaker 3: I consider myself to be a truth teller, right, So

1113
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,920
Speaker 3: the first person you dumped on, it's who it is?

1114
00:52:00,960 --> 00:52:02,759
Speaker 2: You can't. I mean, I wish it could have been

1115
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:04,600
Speaker 2: Sean Bailey or something that just wasn't.

1116
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,960
Speaker 3: I don't though Sean Bradley before, but he wasn't the

1117
00:52:07,000 --> 00:52:08,080
Speaker 3: first right right.

1118
00:52:08,280 --> 00:52:10,120
Speaker 1: It might It might have been the guard out there

1119
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 1: that I called you skipped the guard though you spost

1120
00:52:14,680 --> 00:52:22,640
Speaker 1: step the guard. Nobody else him being a big guard anyway, right,

1121
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:23,960
Speaker 1: you know they already talked about that.

1122
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:25,799
Speaker 2: You want to know what else too.

1123
00:52:25,880 --> 00:52:27,920
Speaker 3: I remember the first person to dunk on me, and

1124
00:52:27,960 --> 00:52:29,600
Speaker 3: I remember whose fault it was.

1125
00:52:30,440 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 2: This guy next to me.

1126
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:36,080
Speaker 3: His fault, Glenn big dog Robinson caught a lib on

1127
00:52:36,160 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 3: me and he pushed me into it.

1128
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 2: He pushed me two hands my own brother.

1129
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:45,160
Speaker 1: You know how somebody defense and you push him to

1130
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:47,040
Speaker 1: try to get into the rotation. He should have been

1131
00:52:47,080 --> 00:52:48,840
Speaker 1: over there earlier his rotation.

1132
00:52:49,239 --> 00:52:52,600
Speaker 4: Oh gee, so he don't play no defense at Also,

1133
00:52:52,640 --> 00:52:53,799
Speaker 4: I tried to push him, you know.

1134
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,359
Speaker 1: And that's your boy, that's your boy.

1135
00:52:56,960 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 2: We're supposed to be brothers, and this is what he

1136
00:52:59,360 --> 00:52:59,759
Speaker 2: do to me.

1137
00:53:00,640 --> 00:53:03,200
Speaker 3: I know what I want to ask, because you stacked

1138
00:53:03,239 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 3: dollar right, so when you first got the bag, I

1139
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:09,200
Speaker 3: like to ask the question, what what what did you do?

1140
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:12,640
Speaker 3: Somewhere you was like in that moment as a young boy,

1141
00:53:12,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 3: you was like I'm doing this. But then like now

1142
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 3: you oh, you like I shouldn't have did that, But

1143
00:53:16,160 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 3: it meant everything back then.

1144
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,480
Speaker 1: By my mama's house. But that was important to me

1145
00:53:21,600 --> 00:53:24,680
Speaker 1: for me personally. You know, I had already got that stuff.

1146
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, the rain and all of that.

1147
00:53:26,400 --> 00:53:30,920
Speaker 1: It's just about paying off, paying it back, you know

1148
00:53:30,960 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I got out there like okay, y'all

1149
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:36,320
Speaker 1: know I'm coming there. I done walked up in the

1150
00:53:36,400 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 1: dealership like, yo, come on for you see this draft

1151
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 1: but truck. Did you own your own truck and used

1152
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,920
Speaker 1: to ship your own cars? Yeah? Yeah, I had a

1153
00:53:50,520 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 1: duty in the trailer.

1154
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,160
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm telling you all.

1155
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:58,239
Speaker 1: You need to get your own truck. Man.

1156
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 2: This is what I'm telling you when.

1157
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:08,239
Speaker 3: Exactly exactly, but when I'm telling you that summer when

1158
00:54:08,280 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 3: he left, it was legendary.

1159
00:54:10,200 --> 00:54:10,319
Speaker 1: Bro.

1160
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 3: Why this man pulled up first he came over on

1161
00:54:13,000 --> 00:54:16,359
Speaker 3: the boat. Then he got his whips, coming on his

1162
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,040
Speaker 3: own truck with his potting up.

1163
00:54:18,160 --> 00:54:18,839
Speaker 2: Just bring it over.

1164
00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: It's about to be all the pot is just lenking up.

1165
00:54:21,040 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: Y'all coming on the truck. We coming on the boat.

1166
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 3: We about to meet right here. We about to kick it.

1167
00:54:25,000 --> 00:54:28,280
Speaker 3: I say, yo, this is stacked dollar.

1168
00:54:28,000 --> 00:54:34,120
Speaker 1: Bro, young and dumb boy, You learn man, we had.

1169
00:54:34,160 --> 00:54:42,439
Speaker 3: Hey man, I just want to continue to go out

1170
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 3: on my way to salute you being because you mentioned

1171
00:54:46,000 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 3: something earlier that made me kind of think about it

1172
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 3: when we was talking about, you know, you being a

1173
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:53,040
Speaker 3: coach at school being played and the knowledge that you

1174
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 3: could give and all.

1175
00:54:54,239 --> 00:54:55,680
Speaker 2: That you could pull back into the kids.

1176
00:54:55,840 --> 00:54:58,640
Speaker 3: What you're doing and what you represent is major and

1177
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 3: it's needed as an Africa American that look like us,

1178
00:55:02,200 --> 00:55:04,120
Speaker 3: that there's one of us that come from where we

1179
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,120
Speaker 3: come from that accomplished and achieved everything that you achieved

1180
00:55:08,200 --> 00:55:10,840
Speaker 3: on in off the court with the way you from Afar.

1181
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:12,680
Speaker 2: I saw you, I watched you, I looked up.

1182
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 3: I always said stack, you know what I'm saying, Even

1183
00:55:14,560 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 3: from being younger, even from competing against you, it was

1184
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,120
Speaker 3: somebody who was like, nah, he a solid dude, he

1185
00:55:19,200 --> 00:55:21,719
Speaker 3: had his business, he moved the right way. And now

1186
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 3: to see you being at Vanderbilt coaching and recruiting kids

1187
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:27,560
Speaker 3: and being in that world even from when you had

1188
00:55:27,560 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 3: your au tem because I remember that too, and I

1189
00:55:29,680 --> 00:55:31,160
Speaker 3: thought that was dope. You know what I'm saying that

1190
00:55:31,320 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: just to see somebody like you at the level you

1191
00:55:33,640 --> 00:55:36,640
Speaker 3: had achieved that you was gonna be willing that you

1192
00:55:36,680 --> 00:55:37,360
Speaker 3: really coached.

1193
00:55:37,400 --> 00:55:39,400
Speaker 2: It wasn't like I just got a AU program.

1194
00:55:39,440 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 3: You know how some people get programs and then they

1195
00:55:41,160 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 3: got that Like I was like, Stack really is the guy,

1196
00:55:44,800 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 3: and then to see you go and continue to do it.

1197
00:55:47,360 --> 00:55:49,200
Speaker 3: I just want to make sure that we give your

1198
00:55:49,239 --> 00:55:51,400
Speaker 3: flowers while we got you on here, and if everybody

1199
00:55:51,480 --> 00:55:54,880
Speaker 3: really understand that what you're doing is huge and it's major,

1200
00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 3: and it like it's not a lot of us being

1201
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 3: able to do it at the level that you able

1202
00:55:59,280 --> 00:56:01,319
Speaker 3: to do it to. So I just wish nothing but

1203
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:05,560
Speaker 3: continue success man, championships and you know, moving up the

1204
00:56:05,640 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 3: college ranks and eventually if you want to be in

1205
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 3: the league coach and you deserve that too, and I

1206
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 3: hope you get it bro for real.

1207
00:56:12,560 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 1: Sat y'all, man, I appreciate you and likewise, man, like

1208
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:18,400
Speaker 1: I said, I don't take this opportunity for branded at all,

1209
00:56:18,440 --> 00:56:21,640
Speaker 1: and in thefood for you guys, I look at you

1210
00:56:21,719 --> 00:56:23,439
Speaker 1: and I ad mind how you guys have been able

1211
00:56:23,440 --> 00:56:26,680
Speaker 1: to take your guys platform and do what you're doing

1212
00:56:26,760 --> 00:56:29,880
Speaker 1: right now too. Man, transition and saying thinking ahead and

1213
00:56:29,920 --> 00:56:33,920
Speaker 1: being able to transition from playing to having the platform

1214
00:56:33,960 --> 00:56:35,719
Speaker 1: like you guys have right now. Man, I'm proud of

1215
00:56:35,760 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 1: you guys. Well, you know this is this kid right here.

1216
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 1: Every time I was seeing he always had a bunch

1217
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,680
Speaker 1: of candy in his pocket, so I was just like, yo,

1218
00:56:44,840 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: I think he was some candy man. So it's just

1219
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,799
Speaker 1: like when I see y'all. Man, it's the feelings, man,

1220
00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: Love y'all boys. But hope y'all keep doing, keep doing

1221
00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:55,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing. Appreciate it.

1222
00:56:56,000 --> 00:56:59,840
Speaker 3: But all right, man, that's been love, super dope, our og,

1223
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:03,680
Speaker 3: stacked dollar in the building man, superstar in the league,

1224
00:57:03,760 --> 00:57:06,880
Speaker 3: all star one at all time greats and now head

1225
00:57:07,040 --> 00:57:09,640
Speaker 3: coach at Vanderbilt University.

1226
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,040
Speaker 2: Appreciate having you, o G.

1227
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:13,840
Speaker 1: Appreciate y'all guys having met you. Man. Much love for

1228
00:57:13,920 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: y'all the players Tribute dot Com