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Speaker 1: On the Beck dol Cast, the questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: have women in them? Are all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: start changing it with the beck Del Cast. Hey, Jamie, Hey, Caitlin.

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Speaker 1: Oh geez, we just woke up from being in a

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Speaker 1: cryopod and society around us is terrible. But it always

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Speaker 1: has been, so not anything different. But wait a second,

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Speaker 1: it's probably the Well I'm only interested in pursuing this story.

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Speaker 1: If it's the working class is fault, well you're in

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Speaker 1: luck because if the one percent is implicated in this,

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Speaker 1: I'm walking. Okay, well I'm walking today's movie. That's what

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Speaker 1: it's about. So okay. Welcome to the Beach Dol Cast.

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Speaker 1: My name is Jamie Loft, as my name is Caitlin Durante,

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Speaker 1: and this is our show where we examine movies through

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Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens, using the Bechel tests simply as

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Speaker 1: a as a jumping off point. And this week you'll

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Speaker 1: notice is we're releasing this the week of the fourth

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Speaker 1: of July, uh national holiday that gets more and more

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Speaker 1: canonically true for decades at this point now. So we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about this making this episode for a while

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Speaker 1: and trying to find, you know, kind of either we

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Speaker 1: it's it's you know, if if you're listening to this,

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Speaker 1: and so I feel like it's a particularly interesting time

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Speaker 1: covering the movie Idiocracy today, a movie that has been

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Speaker 1: have some housekeeping to cover that being what the fuck

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Speaker 1: is that Bettel Test you were talk about, Caitlin Rante,

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, Jamie loftis. It is a media metric

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Speaker 1: created by Alison Becktel, sometimes called the Becktel Wallace Test,

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Speaker 1: which again and I've heard this so whenever brief context,

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00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:10,680
Speaker 1: beginning basically when Donald Trump's um, I don't know why

426
00:28:10,880 --> 00:28:15,760
Speaker 1: full named him, they're like but like beginning when Donald

427
00:28:15,760 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 1: Trump ever heard of him, he ruined our lives, um,

428
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: but beginning when his candidacy became viable. I feel like

429
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: that is when the idiocracy as a documentary idea sort

430
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,200
Speaker 1: of started coming, and even a little bit before that.

431
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,080
Speaker 1: But I think that the big, the big like resurgence

432
00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 1: of like idiocracy as a documentary came when Donald Trump

433
00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: became a viable candidate because a lot of people saw

434
00:28:43,000 --> 00:28:46,640
Speaker 1: the Terry Crews character, who is a professional wrestler who

435
00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:51,479
Speaker 1: became president, reflected in Donald Trump, who is a failed

436
00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:56,840
Speaker 1: son reality star who became president. This completely ignoring the

437
00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,040
Speaker 1: fact that we already had elected an actor to be

438
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:04,280
Speaker 1: one of our worst presidents in the nineteen eighties. But whatever,

439
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:06,360
Speaker 1: I guess we'll give it a pass. I wasn't around

440
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,640
Speaker 1: for the nineteen eighties, so I couldn't bitch about it. Um.

441
00:29:09,680 --> 00:29:14,800
Speaker 1: In any case, fifteen was when this started to come up,

442
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 1: So I was surprised when the central conceit of the movie.

443
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,640
Speaker 1: And again I've seen this has been more discussed in

444
00:29:23,680 --> 00:29:26,280
Speaker 1: the past couple of years. Um, I want to shout

445
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: out Sarah z incredible YouTuber and my bud who made

446
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: a great video about this will link it in the description,

447
00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: who kind of unpacks us to a larger extent. But um, basically,

448
00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: what is at the core of this movie is the

449
00:29:43,120 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: concept that your i Q determines your deservedness to reproduce

450
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:55,360
Speaker 1: and the idea that it's just very like essentialist and

451
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,120
Speaker 1: that like this movie, I feel like it's the biggest

452
00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,320
Speaker 1: failure is it ignores, kind of, with the exception of corporations,

453
00:30:04,040 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: every structural problem that exists and instead redirects that anger

454
00:30:10,080 --> 00:30:14,680
Speaker 1: and resentment on poor people. And that is so like

455
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:17,080
Speaker 1: and it's like so many things and again it's like

456
00:30:17,600 --> 00:30:20,080
Speaker 1: the corporate stuff is kind of exempt, which I think

457
00:30:20,120 --> 00:30:22,600
Speaker 1: is an interesting reflection of like where the writer's minds

458
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 1: were at at this time, because they recognize that, but

459
00:30:25,120 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 1: they did not really like there's so many things that

460
00:30:28,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: happened in this movie beginning with Okay, sorry, I'm just

461
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: like already melting up. But like, let's talk about i

462
00:30:36,280 --> 00:30:39,560
Speaker 1: Q first. Because that's where the movie starts. It implies

463
00:30:39,640 --> 00:30:44,320
Speaker 1: in the opening sequence, a sequence that rivals Midsummer for

464
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 1: opening sequences that make me want to just explode. What

465
00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:54,040
Speaker 1: makes me want to reflect a recent experience of mine

466
00:30:54,360 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: put Dr Brauner's on my vagina by mistake. Look, I

467
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:07,720
Speaker 1: did not know that that you are not supposed to

468
00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,240
Speaker 1: do that. And what a horrifying lesson. Dr Brauner's on

469
00:31:13,360 --> 00:31:20,040
Speaker 1: my one clitter is unbelievable. Unbelievable, that of acid. So

470
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: I'm not laughing you. I'm just you're ready to laugh

471
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 1: at me because I got into MENA and I did that,

472
00:31:27,640 --> 00:31:30,360
Speaker 1: which is further proof that i Q is a false metric.

473
00:31:32,440 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: You don't have to be smart and you don't even

474
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: need to be able to read. The thing is like okay,

475
00:31:37,800 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 1: but like okay, i Q is like it's implied in

476
00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:47,280
Speaker 1: the opening sequence of this movie that people with lower

477
00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 1: i q s are the source of most societal ills.

478
00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,440
Speaker 1: People with higher i q s are also being criticized here,

479
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,360
Speaker 1: but in a very different way. We're like people with

480
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 1: higher i q s are being criticized for being so

481
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 1: cautious that they refuse to reproduce. And I feel like

482
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: both of these takes have aged very poorly, and the

483
00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,720
Speaker 1: take towards people with lower i Q is much more harmful,

484
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 1: but both of them are harmful, So I mean whatever,

485
00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: Like I've done a lot of research in the past

486
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: about i Q and like I feel like it's pretty

487
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 1: common knowledge at this point, but probably but was not

488
00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:32,720
Speaker 1: common knowledge in two thousand and six that i Q

489
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:39,360
Speaker 1: is a deeply basically at this point useless metrics on

490
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:42,560
Speaker 1: every front. It was invented by this French guy named

491
00:32:42,560 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: Alfred Bennet to basically like use in schools for kids

492
00:32:47,920 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 1: who were like to track their progress every so often.

493
00:32:51,200 --> 00:32:54,360
Speaker 1: The idea is that i Q is not permanent. It

494
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,440
Speaker 1: was a way of sort of evaluating how schools were doing.

495
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:01,240
Speaker 1: It wasn't a reflection on the individual. What it's heard

496
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,280
Speaker 1: in too was it was taken a hold by eugenicists,

497
00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:07,800
Speaker 1: which are you know, like which is the school of

498
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:13,040
Speaker 1: thought that your intelligence can be determined by your gender,

499
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:15,920
Speaker 1: by your race, by your class, and that these are

500
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:20,160
Speaker 1: individual essentialist faults on people and have nothing to do

501
00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: with systemic stuff. And so it's just like without giving

502
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,640
Speaker 1: the history of eugenics, but like i Q has been

503
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: weaponized against a number of marginalized communities Over the years,

504
00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:37,200
Speaker 1: it's been particularly black people have have had i Q

505
00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:42,000
Speaker 1: weaponized against them Black Americans specifically. There's a really famous

506
00:33:42,040 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: book from the nineties called The Bell Curve that it

507
00:33:45,880 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: was a very popular book that just argued white Americans

508
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: are simply smarter and they should be Like it's a

509
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:55,560
Speaker 1: white supremacist text, but it was very popular. I mean

510
00:33:55,600 --> 00:33:57,080
Speaker 1: it just it goes in all this stuff, like your

511
00:33:57,080 --> 00:34:00,520
Speaker 1: skull shape determined whether you deserve to liver die it

512
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: if you were anything but completely neurotypical, you are somehow

513
00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:15,520
Speaker 1: less worthy to not just reproduce but live. So yeah,

514
00:34:15,520 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: like it's it's just been used, it's been taken so

515
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 1: wildly out of context from the reason it was created

516
00:34:22,760 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: that it has literally it's not just marginalized and excluded people,

517
00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:32,640
Speaker 1: it's killed people. And it's now just now becoming a

518
00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: more common knowledge thing and is like that is slowing,

519
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:40,880
Speaker 1: but it's not stopping. And so all that to say,

520
00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: I'm not implying that I think that Mike Judge knew

521
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:49,799
Speaker 1: the history of this and did it anyways, based on

522
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:52,520
Speaker 1: his other work, I want to give him the benefit

523
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:54,840
Speaker 1: of the doubt and say that this was kind of

524
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,480
Speaker 1: just like a lazy writing choice, but that as a

525
00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,359
Speaker 1: base for your movie about the decline of society is

526
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,759
Speaker 1: just like just one of the worst takes you can have.

527
00:35:08,480 --> 00:35:11,439
Speaker 1: Like it's kind of stunning, Lee Bad. Here's my sorry

528
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:15,720
Speaker 1: I'm feel about I don't apologize. I've made a podcast

529
00:35:15,760 --> 00:35:17,400
Speaker 1: about it two years ago. I don't really want to

530
00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: talk about it more. But like it's a whole thing.

531
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:21,280
Speaker 1: It is a whole thing, and it's a horrible basis

532
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:24,480
Speaker 1: for a movie, like you said, because there is a

533
00:35:24,680 --> 00:35:31,640
Speaker 1: way to make a satirical movie about uninformed and regressive

534
00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:38,279
Speaker 1: ideology spreading and leading to the downfall of civilization. There's

535
00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 1: a way to do that that's thoughtful and effective as

536
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 1: far as satire goes, and that doesn't demonize marginalized communities

537
00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: like people living in poverty, for example. But this movie

538
00:35:51,760 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: doesn't do that because it's just making broad statements, like

539
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,320
Speaker 1: first of all, just that like some people are mart

540
00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,520
Speaker 1: and other people are really stupid, and I'm trying to

541
00:36:03,560 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: avoid like ablest language on this episode. It's I feel

542
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,680
Speaker 1: like it's going to be difficult because leans into it

543
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,440
Speaker 1: very hard. So it's it's doing that. It is also

544
00:36:14,640 --> 00:36:18,480
Speaker 1: coding those people in very particular ways, where again the

545
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:23,880
Speaker 1: quote unquote smart sensible people are coded as being upper

546
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: middle class wealthy. Again, there's like that couple in the

547
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,520
Speaker 1: opening sequence according to the university, but don't like to

548
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 1: talk about it, I renounced my master's degree. Um. They

549
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:41,000
Speaker 1: that couple. According to IMDb, their character's names are yuppy

550
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: husband and yuppy wife. So that just like gives you

551
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 1: a sense which is like kind of funny because it's like,

552
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:51,359
Speaker 1: consider who is writing the movie. They would much more

553
00:36:51,440 --> 00:36:56,239
Speaker 1: closely identify with the yuppie husband and yuppie wife than

554
00:36:56,920 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: with the poor people. But they're still just like the trio.

555
00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: There's just a just like a complete void of empathy

556
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 1: for anyone but Luke Wilson in this movie. And sorry

557
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 1: to say his name, Like I was like saying a slur,

558
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: but like I what, I just whatever, I just it

559
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:19,760
Speaker 1: just doesn't work for me. So so it's this coding

560
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: where you know, it's like the smart sensible people are

561
00:37:23,120 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 1: rich and the quote unquote unintelligent people who multiply rapidly

562
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:32,560
Speaker 1: are clearly coded as being poor. And again on IMDb,

563
00:37:32,840 --> 00:37:36,439
Speaker 1: that couple in this like opening montage their character's names

564
00:37:36,480 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 1: are trashy guy and slutty girl. There's a whole conversation

565
00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:45,120
Speaker 1: that we'll have about like the way women are like

566
00:37:45,320 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: disfranchised or not included at all, which which I will

567
00:37:49,440 --> 00:37:52,880
Speaker 1: argue could be solid satire on a view of a

568
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: dystopian future, but it doesn't seem like that is what

569
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:58,480
Speaker 1: they're doing. It's exactly. It is hard because this could

570
00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:01,239
Speaker 1: easily be an episode that is like five hours long,

571
00:38:01,840 --> 00:38:04,719
Speaker 1: and I don't want it because it's a short movie, mercifully,

572
00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: and we're trying to make episodes that are not longer

573
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:12,359
Speaker 1: longer than the movie. But this movie is hard because

574
00:38:12,360 --> 00:38:14,719
Speaker 1: it's it's loaded with a lot of stuff. And so

575
00:38:15,120 --> 00:38:17,279
Speaker 1: I think the main things and I would say that

576
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:21,040
Speaker 1: the people who are poor in the opening sequence, and

577
00:38:21,600 --> 00:38:24,360
Speaker 1: basically most of the people from the future are coded

578
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:27,319
Speaker 1: in the same way to different degrees of aggression. So

579
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 1: I'm just started talking about everybody there. But it was

580
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: like bizarrely very American in that it's making all of

581
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,880
Speaker 1: these like bad quote choices seem like they are made

582
00:38:41,520 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: completely by the individual and so that they can be

583
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:46,799
Speaker 1: held complete. And so that is like the way the

584
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:50,400
Speaker 1: systemic but it's like that ranges in so many different

585
00:38:50,520 --> 00:38:54,840
Speaker 1: ways where it's like it's not addressed that poor people

586
00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: have less access to birth control, to sex education in

587
00:39:00,600 --> 00:39:04,440
Speaker 1: two abortions if they want them, and in terms of religion,

588
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,480
Speaker 1: like tend to be rather religious communities, and so it's

589
00:39:07,480 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: like huge elements that are completely wiped and it's just

590
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:13,200
Speaker 1: made to seem like, oh, well, no, they are just

591
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,399
Speaker 1: so chaotically horny that they cannot help but proliferate. Like

592
00:39:18,520 --> 00:39:21,480
Speaker 1: it's just like it's so frustrating it is. It's like

593
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:24,360
Speaker 1: it's very I don't know, it's very two thousand six.

594
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 1: And then when you fast forward to the future and

595
00:39:27,000 --> 00:39:29,799
Speaker 1: then you see people who, first of all, I just

596
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:34,040
Speaker 1: am like, as a reality TV watcher, I object, and

597
00:39:34,080 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: also I think that that again like ignores it's like, oh,

598
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:42,839
Speaker 1: people want to see people get kicked in the nuts, which,

599
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 1: first of all, yes, none of your business. Second of all,

600
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:52,040
Speaker 1: does nothing to address why those programs appear and why

601
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:56,200
Speaker 1: they're the most easily accessible programs in the fucking country.

602
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: And it's like you have to pay to watch the

603
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:02,200
Speaker 1: fucking Soprano or whatever, or like whatever the grad school

604
00:40:02,239 --> 00:40:05,520
Speaker 1: crowd is watching, and so it doesn't address any of

605
00:40:05,560 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 1: the systemic like why are these programs so popular? Could

606
00:40:09,680 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 1: it be possibly because they are the most accessible programs,

607
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: and that is not the fault of the people who

608
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 1: cannot afford to pay for five hundred other channels. Like

609
00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:25,120
Speaker 1: it's just it ignores things on every single level. And

610
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:30,080
Speaker 1: then we'll get to like fucking prisons and governments, like oh, yeah,

611
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: we are just simply not smart enough to know how

612
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:35,960
Speaker 1: prisons work. And it's like, no, that's how prisons are

613
00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: designed to work. Like it just makes me. It just

614
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 1: ignores that so many of these issues are by design

615
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: and not out of individual failings from people that are

616
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:52,399
Speaker 1: being intentionally disenfranchised. That is the entire premise of them.

617
00:40:52,480 --> 00:40:54,960
Speaker 1: Like that's the commentary this movie is making. And it's

618
00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:58,759
Speaker 1: so backwards, because yeah, it's like you said, it just

619
00:40:58,760 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: fails to recognize the lack of access and opportunities you

620
00:41:03,520 --> 00:41:07,360
Speaker 1: experience when you live in poverty. It fails to recognize

621
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: that poverty is a cruel cycle that is nearly impossible

622
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,440
Speaker 1: to escape because of things like capitalism and racism and

623
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: able is m and all these other systemic issues. It

624
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:21,840
Speaker 1: fails to It suggests that again, like poor people multiply

625
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: for fun and not because there are multiple structures designed

626
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:29,480
Speaker 1: to keep poor people poor so that their labor can

627
00:41:29,520 --> 00:41:33,440
Speaker 1: be exploited by the ruling class. Like well, and then women,

628
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, and it also like doubles down on and

629
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: this feels slightly more intentional at least, but like women

630
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: are sex objects only, and I feel like that's maybe

631
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,560
Speaker 1: a more arguable point because it feels like they're at

632
00:41:45,600 --> 00:41:49,040
Speaker 1: least more consciously making that point and they're just not

633
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: doing it very well. But like it's it just kind

634
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,719
Speaker 1: of on all fronts. It's just recasting systemic issues to

635
00:41:56,840 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: be personal failings is just like the shittiest kind of

636
00:42:02,160 --> 00:42:05,719
Speaker 1: satire for me. And it doesn't even mean that, like,

637
00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,719
Speaker 1: you know, it's not to say that like individuals who

638
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 1: are being actively marginalized and other can't hugely funk up.

639
00:42:17,920 --> 00:42:22,759
Speaker 1: That's obviously true. We've all got parent but that's not

640
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:25,480
Speaker 1: But but that is not the rhetoric of this movie

641
00:42:25,520 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 1: at all. It's like the systemic issues are not at

642
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:32,600
Speaker 1: the top of this movie. It's like people are just

643
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: not smart enough to know better. It's a very two

644
00:42:36,800 --> 00:42:40,319
Speaker 1: thousand and six way of looking at the world. So yes,

645
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:45,319
Speaker 1: instead of there being any of that recognition of systemic

646
00:42:45,880 --> 00:42:51,160
Speaker 1: oppression and there being any thoughtful commentary on, you know,

647
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:55,000
Speaker 1: the capitalist machine and all of its repressive systems. Again,

648
00:42:55,000 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: this movie just makes fun of poor people and relies

649
00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: on ablest language and homophobic slurs mostly for the humor

650
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,560
Speaker 1: of the movie. And it's like that sort of stuff

651
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: is very like very two thousand and six, and I

652
00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:18,080
Speaker 1: feel like it's mostly used for shock value. It just

653
00:43:18,160 --> 00:43:21,799
Speaker 1: doesn't feel satirical remotely. And it's like, it's just like,

654
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:26,439
Speaker 1: can you believe that we're using these like slurs over

655
00:43:26,520 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: and over and over and it's because poor people suck.

656
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: You're just like I hate every part of this, Like

657
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: what I hate every part of this. It's real crummy.

658
00:43:38,160 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and then come back for

659
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:51,439
Speaker 1: more discussion and we're back. So sorry, I yelled out

660
00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 1: a lot of my frustrations with this movie, I think

661
00:43:57,040 --> 00:44:00,120
Speaker 1: in terms of the so we've talked a lot, but

662
00:44:00,520 --> 00:44:04,680
Speaker 1: at this point, how the lower classes are made to

663
00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:11,800
Speaker 1: seem like the source of all evil, which it okay,

664
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:14,880
Speaker 1: that is the place from which we're coming, but in

665
00:44:14,920 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 1: the future, it seems like the issues that the writers

666
00:44:19,440 --> 00:44:23,920
Speaker 1: have with poor people in two thousand five have become

667
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 1: the entire culture, and so now people with all levels

668
00:44:29,160 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: of money and power behave exactly like how two writers

669
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 1: and two thousand and five, who were rich at the

670
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:42,319
Speaker 1: time of writing it perceived poor people. And again it's like, uh,

671
00:44:42,960 --> 00:44:46,360
Speaker 1: I really like my John and I think that he's

672
00:44:46,480 --> 00:44:51,160
Speaker 1: made great stuff before this and after, and this is

673
00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 1: just a really frustrating piece of work to look at.

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00:44:54,200 --> 00:44:56,799
Speaker 1: This was his flop era. I guess this was his

675
00:44:56,800 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 1: flop era, but it was later. We'll get to this

676
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: in second, like it was later spun to seem like

677
00:45:03,080 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: his his his what's the opposite of flop? His masterpiece?

678
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:11,799
Speaker 1: And that's like because there were genuinely a lot his

679
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:15,120
Speaker 1: top era. Sorry I just thought of that his top era,

680
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: but like because there were whatever, the history of this

681
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:23,040
Speaker 1: production was like it became a cult classic, like a

682
00:45:23,080 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 1: lot of Mike Judge stuff because it was considered too

683
00:45:27,480 --> 00:45:33,560
Speaker 1: offensive into like specific audience e to release widely, and

684
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,520
Speaker 1: so I feel like it it got this like you know,

685
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 1: kind of like punk credibility before it even came out,

686
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 1: because it was like, oh, this is the movie studios

687
00:45:41,160 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: don't want to release. And I understand that element of

688
00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:46,800
Speaker 1: like that is a really quick way to make a

689
00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: cult classic, especially from someone who's already made cult classics.

690
00:45:51,160 --> 00:45:54,359
Speaker 1: But then you watch it and you're just like not

691
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:58,239
Speaker 1: to you know whatever, Like it's it's it's pointless to

692
00:45:58,280 --> 00:46:00,000
Speaker 1: have an argument of like, I agree with the student

693
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:02,200
Speaker 1: you because I'm sure the reason the studio had for

694
00:46:02,280 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: not wanting to release him widely I would not agree with.

695
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,560
Speaker 1: But I'm also like not upset that this wasn't the

696
00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: most popular movie in the world, because I don't want

697
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,759
Speaker 1: to like its politics are very dated anyways, fastward to

698
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:20,880
Speaker 1: the future. Everyone has the exact opinions of Eton Cohen

699
00:46:21,160 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 1: and Mike Judge's opinion of poor people in two thousand

700
00:46:23,440 --> 00:46:29,319
Speaker 1: and five. Okay, so what this does is, I feel

701
00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:32,800
Speaker 1: like in the upper classes of the future, it further

702
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:38,759
Speaker 1: erases again with like the bizarre exception of corporations, which

703
00:46:38,800 --> 00:46:43,760
Speaker 1: they seem very aware of, ignores everything else, examples being

704
00:46:44,520 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: the House of Representation, where it's portrayed that the it's

705
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:55,360
Speaker 1: not that the American government is designed to oppress people,

706
00:46:55,840 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: it's that the people in the American government are just

707
00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:04,960
Speaker 1: not smart enough to know how to provide justice to people,

708
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: which is again, basically no one was talking about this

709
00:47:09,320 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: in two thousand six because it was like these two

710
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,480
Speaker 1: writers were considered to be on the cutting edge in

711
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 1: two thousand six and they clearly didn't know. So again

712
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:18,360
Speaker 1: it's like, don't punish yourself in the past, but in

713
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:22,640
Speaker 1: the present moment, it's like, well that is not true,

714
00:47:22,880 --> 00:47:27,680
Speaker 1: like they're it's intentional that they're taking our rights away,

715
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: there is an end game in mind. It's not that

716
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,600
Speaker 1: they're not smart enough to know better, and that that

717
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:39,040
Speaker 1: same ethos is applied to the prison system, which is

718
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: again egregious because it's like, Ben need us to tell

719
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:47,800
Speaker 1: you how implicitly and intentionally racist and classist the prison

720
00:47:47,880 --> 00:47:51,560
Speaker 1: system is in the US. But again it's the way

721
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: that it's portrayed is like, well, we don't know, we

722
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:57,680
Speaker 1: don't know any better, like we're just we're just we

723
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 1: didn't get enough math classes, like to you're just like

724
00:48:02,480 --> 00:48:05,879
Speaker 1: this is ridiculous. And the same applies to the way

725
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: the police are. Like the police are of the three,

726
00:48:09,719 --> 00:48:11,759
Speaker 1: I feel like at least they are shown as like

727
00:48:12,480 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: absurdly violent and absurdly reactionary in a way that I

728
00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:21,480
Speaker 1: would agree with. But again it's like portrayed, not because

729
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 1: that is like endorsed and always has been in the

730
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:29,400
Speaker 1: in American policing. It's like it's because the individual people

731
00:48:29,800 --> 00:48:33,000
Speaker 1: are so ridiculous and you're like no, but it's they

732
00:48:33,000 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 1: are empowered to act that way. Like it's just there's

733
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:39,400
Speaker 1: no systemic criticism except for corporations, and so the corporation

734
00:48:39,480 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: stuff weirdly, for the most part, for me, it works, Yeah,

735
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:48,040
Speaker 1: so I think, and that is best exemplified by the

736
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:53,520
Speaker 1: Brondo thing. But there's also like Carl's Jr. Is now

737
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,680
Speaker 1: running like child Protective Services, and I thought that was

738
00:48:57,760 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: kind of funny, and the whole the drive thru has

739
00:49:02,440 --> 00:49:04,719
Speaker 1: like a gas they can shoot in your face to

740
00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:08,120
Speaker 1: like dissociate you, like that kind of stuff. I was like,

741
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: I thought that that was like more effective and it

742
00:49:11,160 --> 00:49:13,799
Speaker 1: felt very very intentional, like you were an unfit mother,

743
00:49:13,880 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 1: your children will be repossessed by Carls Jr. Like that

744
00:49:18,080 --> 00:49:20,560
Speaker 1: for two thousand six satire. That worked for me, right,

745
00:49:20,600 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: But then there's other stuff where like you can go

746
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: to Starbucks and get like an erotic massage, which felt

747
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,920
Speaker 1: like shamy of sex work. And there's the whole conversation

748
00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:35,640
Speaker 1: to be had about that and also implies that the

749
00:49:35,680 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 1: lower classes, or just like poor people in general, are

750
00:49:40,360 --> 00:49:42,880
Speaker 1: again it like goes into what we were talking about earlier.

751
00:49:42,920 --> 00:49:47,239
Speaker 1: I like the way the opening sequence divides classes is

752
00:49:47,280 --> 00:49:51,360
Speaker 1: like people with more education and money not horny. People

753
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,920
Speaker 1: with less education and the money so horny they cannot

754
00:49:54,920 --> 00:50:00,520
Speaker 1: help but have a trillion kids, which is again unfair

755
00:50:00,600 --> 00:50:05,000
Speaker 1: to both parties. Like you know, we started like it's like,

756
00:50:05,080 --> 00:50:08,240
Speaker 1: you know, people of all classes who are all manners

757
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: of horny. Like it's so like obviously reductive of people

758
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:20,120
Speaker 1: like to say that your class determines how your are sexual,

759
00:50:20,520 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: like how much you want to reproduce, Like it's just

760
00:50:23,360 --> 00:50:25,880
Speaker 1: like it feels like silly to even say out loud

761
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 1: because it's so ridiculous. And I feel like the future

762
00:50:29,480 --> 00:50:33,000
Speaker 1: furthers that logic of like what Mike Judge and Eton

763
00:50:33,080 --> 00:50:35,359
Speaker 1: Cohen thought of poor people in two thousand five, which

764
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:39,000
Speaker 1: is that they are like so uneducated that they cannot

765
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: control themselves, which again you're just like pull that goes

766
00:50:44,280 --> 00:50:46,680
Speaker 1: into the future of like, oh, they just are so

767
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,480
Speaker 1: horny they want they want hand jobs as star books.

768
00:50:50,680 --> 00:50:53,800
Speaker 1: And it's like not only like you're saying that's shamey

769
00:50:53,880 --> 00:50:57,839
Speaker 1: to sex work. But it's also just like reductive of

770
00:50:58,200 --> 00:50:59,960
Speaker 1: poor people in the way that the movie is from

771
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:03,680
Speaker 1: moment one, Like it's just just reinforces that. Yeah. So

772
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,440
Speaker 1: so some of it works, some of it doesn't. But

773
00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: the Brondo thing I think works the best where there's

774
00:51:08,360 --> 00:51:12,279
Speaker 1: voice over that I'll basically just like say verbatim here

775
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:16,720
Speaker 1: where it is said that water was considered a threat

776
00:51:16,840 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: to Brondo's profit margin, so Brondo came to replace water everywhere,

777
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:25,359
Speaker 1: it's basically except for like in toilets it seems, which

778
00:51:25,400 --> 00:51:29,919
Speaker 1: is also pretty funny. But the Brondo Corporation bought the

779
00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,520
Speaker 1: f d A and then the FCC, enabling them to

780
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:38,480
Speaker 1: say do and sell anything they wanted, which is, you know,

781
00:51:38,520 --> 00:51:41,040
Speaker 1: pretty I think a pretty effective commentary on the way

782
00:51:41,080 --> 00:51:47,400
Speaker 1: that like corporate takeover is constantly happening in this country

783
00:51:47,800 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 1: and how you know capitalism is going to be the

784
00:51:52,160 --> 00:51:55,800
Speaker 1: death of assault. And then because the way it manifests

785
00:51:55,800 --> 00:51:59,040
Speaker 1: in this movie is that they're watering crops with Brondo,

786
00:51:59,120 --> 00:52:02,240
Speaker 1: which is full of electrolytes, which is basically just pumping

787
00:52:02,280 --> 00:52:07,040
Speaker 1: salt into the ground where plants can no longer grow,

788
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:10,200
Speaker 1: and then it's leading to this dustpol where everyone's going

789
00:52:10,239 --> 00:52:12,600
Speaker 1: to starve to death. So and I appreciate that it

790
00:52:12,680 --> 00:52:16,319
Speaker 1: took the further step of like, even if you resolved

791
00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:20,799
Speaker 1: that issue by using water, that would collapse the economy

792
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:25,040
Speaker 1: because of how the economy was built around one corporate entity,

793
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:29,720
Speaker 1: and like, yeah, that kind of like the corporate stuff

794
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 1: worked really well, and it's it's just wild that they

795
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 1: took that energy to specifically one sector. But again, I

796
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:41,560
Speaker 1: feel like that is very indicative of Bush era satire,

797
00:52:41,800 --> 00:52:45,600
Speaker 1: where and I do think that George W. Bush, who

798
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:48,440
Speaker 1: is you don't need me to tell you he's a

799
00:52:48,680 --> 00:52:52,280
Speaker 1: war criminal. He's a war criminal. But at the time,

800
00:52:52,320 --> 00:52:54,440
Speaker 1: and even I remember my perception of him as a

801
00:52:54,560 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: kid was that he was not smart, and so his

802
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:06,920
Speaker 1: decisions that were actively harming people in America and people

803
00:53:06,960 --> 00:53:12,799
Speaker 1: outside of America. Certainly he started sucking wars, but it

804
00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:17,400
Speaker 1: was because he couldn't say nucle hear correctly. It wasn't

805
00:53:17,480 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: because of all these systemic issues. And so I feel

806
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:24,240
Speaker 1: like that is a lot of the logic and energy

807
00:53:24,320 --> 00:53:27,520
Speaker 1: that this movie is drawing on is like how people

808
00:53:27,800 --> 00:53:33,200
Speaker 1: perceived George W. Bush specifically at this time, which is

809
00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 1: like he is abusing people in and outside of his

810
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: country because he doesn't know better, when the reality is

811
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 1: he knew exactly what he was doing because he was

812
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:46,919
Speaker 1: a nepotism piece of ship who was continuing the war

813
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 1: that his father started. And so it's like there is

814
00:53:50,239 --> 00:53:52,920
Speaker 1: no question that like he do what he was doing,

815
00:53:54,640 --> 00:53:56,640
Speaker 1: you know. But but it was But what the sat

816
00:53:56,680 --> 00:54:00,040
Speaker 1: fire of the time focused on more was like it

817
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:02,960
Speaker 1: was it was just like kind of picking on Southern

818
00:54:02,960 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: American of like, oh, I don't like how he says

819
00:54:07,120 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 1: this word versus like he is continuing a war that

820
00:54:12,719 --> 00:54:15,319
Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what he says it, like

821
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: he knew what he was doing. Whatever. This is not

822
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,759
Speaker 1: a controversial opinion, Like, no, we're saying this here on

823
00:54:22,840 --> 00:54:26,640
Speaker 1: the heready here first on the back podcast, beloved American

824
00:54:26,719 --> 00:54:31,480
Speaker 1: President George W. Bush and beloved American painter while we're

825
00:54:31,520 --> 00:54:35,600
Speaker 1: at it, um there. Obviously he's a piece of ship.

826
00:54:35,840 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: But I just think that the way and he was

827
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,480
Speaker 1: he was considered a piece of ship by a large

828
00:54:40,600 --> 00:54:45,080
Speaker 1: portion of the country throughout his presidency. But it was

829
00:54:45,120 --> 00:54:47,759
Speaker 1: like the ways that people made fun of him that

830
00:54:47,920 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: I feel like informed the direction of the satire of

831
00:54:51,040 --> 00:54:54,160
Speaker 1: this movie. And it just feels like, while it's like

832
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:59,040
Speaker 1: the rage at him couldn't be more justified, the like

833
00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:02,279
Speaker 1: the vantage why people are coming in at is like

834
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:06,719
Speaker 1: very misdirected. And I feel like we sort of had

835
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:12,000
Speaker 1: a resurgence of this a lot during the Trump presidency

836
00:55:12,040 --> 00:55:14,960
Speaker 1: where it was and it's like, I'm sure we fucking

837
00:55:14,960 --> 00:55:17,160
Speaker 1: engaged with us to something like we were certainly there.

838
00:55:17,400 --> 00:55:21,640
Speaker 1: Like Trump is like not a smart person, I would say,

839
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:25,680
Speaker 1: very true, but does he know exactly what he's doing

840
00:55:25,760 --> 00:55:30,040
Speaker 1: when he's perpetuating systemic issues A hundred and so it's

841
00:55:30,040 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 1: like not the question of like I don't like this

842
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 1: guy because he don't talk smart enough for me. It's

843
00:55:34,960 --> 00:55:38,680
Speaker 1: like like, take a step back, and this movie doesn't

844
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:42,320
Speaker 1: take a step back except for Brando. It's so weird.

845
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:47,080
Speaker 1: It is so weird. So yes, the kind of biases

846
00:55:47,120 --> 00:55:52,319
Speaker 1: that the movie is leaning into, as far as like

847
00:55:52,880 --> 00:56:01,239
Speaker 1: being antipore, extends to other things such as setism and racism,

848
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: because like I homophobia and homophobia, right, I think a

849
00:56:05,560 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 1: lot of the characters who are you know, quote unquote

850
00:56:08,280 --> 00:56:13,520
Speaker 1: idiots who are populating this idiocracy in the year five,

851
00:56:14,320 --> 00:56:19,440
Speaker 1: are playing into again not only classist stereotypes, but racist

852
00:56:19,520 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 1: stereotypes and sexist stereotypes, because a lot of the women

853
00:56:24,680 --> 00:56:28,120
Speaker 1: that you see, not that there are many on screen,

854
00:56:28,760 --> 00:56:31,520
Speaker 1: but the few women with speaking roles who are in

855
00:56:31,520 --> 00:56:38,319
Speaker 1: this movie usually are characterized as bimbos, like the attorney

856
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: general or like the women who are hanging around the president.

857
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:49,280
Speaker 1: They are like dressed provocatively and you know, just again

858
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,879
Speaker 1: this like quote slutty bimbo type and that is like

859
00:56:54,520 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: again the filmmakers just bias against any sexually liberated woman

860
00:57:00,920 --> 00:57:05,480
Speaker 1: or sex worker. And this is this is an element

861
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,480
Speaker 1: of the movie that I think could have worked, Like

862
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: implying that the future of America is wildly sexist and

863
00:57:17,240 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 1: hateful towards sex work is I don't even think a

864
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: controversial take that is where the is currently headed. But unfortunately,

865
00:57:27,040 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: the way the movie has written just seems to like say, like, yeah,

866
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:36,120
Speaker 1: this society treats women like bimbos who deserve no respect

867
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:39,120
Speaker 1: because that is what they because and like that is

868
00:57:39,160 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: how they are behaving, and it seems like they have

869
00:57:42,000 --> 00:57:46,840
Speaker 1: no cognizance of how they're being march. It just doesn't

870
00:57:46,880 --> 00:57:49,920
Speaker 1: feel like it's satire, Like it just feels like doing

871
00:57:49,960 --> 00:57:53,280
Speaker 1: the thing I feel like, especially with my Rudolph's character, like,

872
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: so it's it's weird because I could see someone making

873
00:57:57,720 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: the argument that, well, yeah, the care ters are using

874
00:58:02,000 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 1: all this homophobic and ablest language because you know, that's

875
00:58:08,240 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: what a devolved society would do, and that's the satire,

876
00:58:13,280 --> 00:58:17,920
Speaker 1: that's the commentary. But you don't get to have that happened.

877
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:20,680
Speaker 1: And then I just feel like the commentary is and

878
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,480
Speaker 1: actually being made. I mean it's not and it's like

879
00:58:24,520 --> 00:58:28,240
Speaker 1: I understand why they thought it was maybe, but it's

880
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:31,520
Speaker 1: also like a you're operating from like even the found

881
00:58:31,640 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 1: the foundation of the premise is so flawed that it's

882
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:38,240
Speaker 1: like you can't really address specific issues based on the

883
00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 1: idea of like well, no one is smart enough to

884
00:58:41,080 --> 00:58:43,240
Speaker 1: realize what they're doing. And it's like, well, how could

885
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:45,880
Speaker 1: you address any systemic issue if this movie does not

886
00:58:46,040 --> 00:58:51,919
Speaker 1: recognize systemic issues as a concept, Like it just recognizes

887
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:56,920
Speaker 1: all systemic issues as as it applies to poor people.

888
00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:59,320
Speaker 1: And then it's like, oh, well, women are treated as

889
00:58:59,320 --> 00:59:04,160
Speaker 1: bimbos because there bimbos because and like Maya Rudolph is

890
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,680
Speaker 1: not like the other girls, but also she's kind of

891
00:59:06,720 --> 00:59:09,160
Speaker 1: like the other girls. Okay, can we talk about my

892
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:14,720
Speaker 1: Rudolph's characters, because I I do appreciate that by the

893
00:59:14,880 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: end of the movie, and I mean the end of

894
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 1: the movie, she is more motivated. She rests, you know,

895
00:59:23,280 --> 00:59:26,880
Speaker 1: in the terms of like classic special cast discussion, she

896
00:59:27,040 --> 00:59:30,360
Speaker 1: saves the male protagonist of the movie. You know, like

897
00:59:30,440 --> 00:59:34,960
Speaker 1: she is active in helping to resolve the conflict of

898
00:59:35,000 --> 00:59:37,960
Speaker 1: the film, at least the one that ends up getting presented,

899
00:59:38,000 --> 00:59:40,840
Speaker 1: because like half way through the movie, it's like, and

900
00:59:40,880 --> 00:59:44,680
Speaker 1: now the conflict is crops and it's like, okay, yeah,

901
00:59:45,280 --> 00:59:47,760
Speaker 1: but for most of the movie that isn't even the issue,

902
00:59:47,880 --> 00:59:52,120
Speaker 1: So she becomes involved in what eventually ends up like

903
00:59:52,120 --> 00:59:55,560
Speaker 1: you're just like becoming the issue of the movie. And

904
00:59:55,600 --> 00:59:58,320
Speaker 1: it would have been interesting if that was the whole

905
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,600
Speaker 1: premise of the movie, because that was giving me Mary

906
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:09,640
Speaker 1: kay naturally passport to Paris vibes. Um. Okay, be guys

907
01:00:09,680 --> 01:00:11,720
Speaker 1: as part at any point in this episode, you were

908
01:00:11,720 --> 01:00:15,520
Speaker 1: wrong because that I was like, Okay, they more effectively

909
01:00:15,880 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: resolved a national water crisis issue than anyone, Like I mean,

910
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,919
Speaker 1: I'm wanting to bring up a movie like don't look

911
01:00:26,000 --> 01:00:28,720
Speaker 1: up as being more effective. I don't want to talk

912
01:00:28,720 --> 01:00:30,720
Speaker 1: about don't look up because I didn't like it. I

913
01:00:30,720 --> 01:00:32,760
Speaker 1: want to talk about Passport to Paris because I did,

914
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,440
Speaker 1: like I'm so sorry, and Mary Kidd and actually resolved

915
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 1: France's water access issues in the and they got to

916
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:44,040
Speaker 1: kiss their crushes like perfect story. Could you, even in

917
01:00:44,080 --> 01:00:48,240
Speaker 1: your entire life, say that, No, I can't. All I

918
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:51,280
Speaker 1: did was the Dr Brauner's directly under my vagina. I

919
01:00:51,280 --> 01:00:57,000
Speaker 1: can't do what they do Dr Brando, Dr Brando's acidic

920
01:00:57,080 --> 01:01:01,400
Speaker 1: waste onto my and it's it's he said, the injury

921
01:01:01,440 --> 01:01:04,320
Speaker 1: with the doctor Broder's issue because the bottle is covered

922
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: in words. And then I looked after after the throbbing

923
01:01:10,480 --> 01:01:15,000
Speaker 1: had stopped, and I will say I was taking a

924
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:19,160
Speaker 1: shower with someone who I liked. Oh sexy. Oh, I

925
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:22,320
Speaker 1: mean speaking of horny ist time. We're all having a

926
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:26,720
Speaker 1: horny time when I when I say, when I tell

927
01:01:26,760 --> 01:01:31,120
Speaker 1: you this was not recent. But anyways, I read the

928
01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:35,720
Speaker 1: bottle hours later and the words, the warning I needed

929
01:01:36,040 --> 01:01:40,720
Speaker 1: was there, but it was buried in like weird o garbage. Anyways,

930
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 1: where was that? An idiocracy? Um could have been helpful.

931
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,760
Speaker 1: All that to say, like this movie, it starts to

932
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:53,600
Speaker 1: make a criticism, but then says like, well, but insert

933
01:01:53,640 --> 01:01:57,120
Speaker 1: a press class here is basically like that anyways, So

934
01:01:58,800 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 1: and then you're just I don't like, it's just bizarre.

935
01:02:02,800 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 1: It does feel like I don't know I I And

936
01:02:05,960 --> 01:02:08,800
Speaker 1: if you were older than us, which might not be

937
01:02:08,880 --> 01:02:13,400
Speaker 1: possible we're quite old, um, but if you were older

938
01:02:13,400 --> 01:02:18,000
Speaker 1: than us, feel free to wait in like my interpretation

939
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: and a lot of his reflection because I was like

940
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 1: when our kid throughout the bush years, but my interpretation

941
01:02:24,400 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: of a lot of this just based on like I whatever,

942
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:31,040
Speaker 1: grew up watching John Stewart with my aunt, Like my

943
01:02:31,080 --> 01:02:34,680
Speaker 1: aunt was very into this brand of comedy, and so

944
01:02:34,760 --> 01:02:37,160
Speaker 1: that was primarily through her that I would see it.

945
01:02:37,760 --> 01:02:43,760
Speaker 1: And it felt very like allied with Democrat senators and

946
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 1: lawmakers in a way that is largely for a lot

947
01:02:47,520 --> 01:02:51,360
Speaker 1: of leftists no longer true. Is like at this point,

948
01:02:51,640 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 1: I feel like it's very I mean, it was like

949
01:02:53,680 --> 01:02:55,440
Speaker 1: not that it wasn't known by people in the mid

950
01:02:55,440 --> 01:02:58,920
Speaker 1: two thousands, but it is larger known now that like

951
01:02:59,280 --> 01:03:04,600
Speaker 1: democrats measures and lawmakers are also largely fucking you over,

952
01:03:04,840 --> 01:03:08,320
Speaker 1: but they're just like smiling while they do it. But

953
01:03:08,400 --> 01:03:11,640
Speaker 1: at this time it felt like democrats or just generally

954
01:03:11,680 --> 01:03:17,360
Speaker 1: center to left leaning politicians were not on the chopping

955
01:03:17,400 --> 01:03:21,000
Speaker 1: block to be criticized. And that's because that it doesn't

956
01:03:21,040 --> 01:03:24,439
Speaker 1: really come up like you do. I thought you got

957
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,520
Speaker 1: like a pretty effect of like Fox News early Fox

958
01:03:28,520 --> 01:03:32,720
Speaker 1: News commentary here of like it's just like sexy naked

959
01:03:32,760 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: people talking nonsense, which is like that's a lot of

960
01:03:36,960 --> 01:03:39,800
Speaker 1: what Fox News is, and like it's it's not based

961
01:03:39,800 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: in facts. It's very visual medium. Um. But you do

962
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,840
Speaker 1: not get the other side of that because I think

963
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:49,520
Speaker 1: at the time the writers of the movie would have

964
01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:56,840
Speaker 1: agreed with like centrist propaganda MSNBC vibes, you know stuff.

965
01:03:56,880 --> 01:04:03,840
Speaker 1: I'm I'm de radicalizing my mommy from wowow Jill's working. No,

966
01:04:04,000 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: it is working. She no longer brings out her MSNBC

967
01:04:07,640 --> 01:04:12,720
Speaker 1: mom mug when I am visiting. I think she's starting

968
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: to be embarrassed at it, and rightfully so she listens

969
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,880
Speaker 1: to the show. Hi Jill, Hi Jill. Um. I wanted

970
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:25,080
Speaker 1: to go back to read a real quick where so,

971
01:04:25,360 --> 01:04:29,200
Speaker 1: as you said, she's absent for a large chunk of

972
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: the movie, but then she does become active in the

973
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: resolution and she helps to again resolve this like crop

974
01:04:39,800 --> 01:04:45,680
Speaker 1: thing she has agency in those few scenes, but prior

975
01:04:45,760 --> 01:04:52,280
Speaker 1: to that, she is almost indistinguishable from the other characters

976
01:04:52,280 --> 01:04:55,320
Speaker 1: who are also supposed to be the quote unquote idiots,

977
01:04:55,360 --> 01:05:01,160
Speaker 1: because she, for example, she cannot grasp the idea that

978
01:05:01,320 --> 01:05:05,920
Speaker 1: her pimp, this guy named Upgrade, would be dead and

979
01:05:06,000 --> 01:05:09,000
Speaker 1: would have died five years earlier, kind of thing, like

980
01:05:09,080 --> 01:05:12,479
Speaker 1: she spent so much of the movie looking for this

981
01:05:12,640 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: character that, Like, it's so frustrating because the movie, I think,

982
01:05:16,320 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: to its credit, does introduce Luke Wilson and Maya Rudolph

983
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:24,480
Speaker 1: as like characters with very different backgrounds who are of

984
01:05:24,600 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 1: equal intelligence. That is why they're being selected first. And

985
01:05:28,520 --> 01:05:31,640
Speaker 1: so to fast forward five years and have him be

986
01:05:31,800 --> 01:05:35,200
Speaker 1: able to understand the fact that time has passed and

987
01:05:35,240 --> 01:05:40,240
Speaker 1: her n to understand that is ridiculous. Doesn't make any sense.

988
01:05:40,440 --> 01:05:45,000
Speaker 1: And it's also suggesting. I feel what's being stated here

989
01:05:45,120 --> 01:05:49,840
Speaker 1: by the filmmakers is, well, of course she's not smart,

990
01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 1: she's a sex worker. Like it's just casting judgment on well, yeah,

991
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:55,640
Speaker 1: and it's like and also the only thing that's on

992
01:05:55,720 --> 01:06:01,440
Speaker 1: her mind is her loyalty and or fear of her pimp.

993
01:06:01,760 --> 01:06:07,520
Speaker 1: And it's like and and this like slowly disappears throughout

994
01:06:07,560 --> 01:06:10,880
Speaker 1: the plot, but it's not motivated by anything, like it's

995
01:06:10,920 --> 01:06:14,360
Speaker 1: just slowly or if it's motivated by anything, it's by

996
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:17,200
Speaker 1: the fact that she's developing a crush on Luke Wilson

997
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:22,280
Speaker 1: for no right. So that's the other thing where she

998
01:06:22,520 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 1: becomes Joe's love interest. He poop because if a man

999
01:06:27,360 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: and woman are the two leads of a movie, they

1000
01:06:30,640 --> 01:06:33,440
Speaker 1: legally have to get together. By the end you were

1001
01:06:33,440 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 1: alive and two five you have to get married. Heads

1002
01:06:37,960 --> 01:06:41,520
Speaker 1: have to fuck. Initially, they're just acquaintances because they're both

1003
01:06:41,560 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: participating in this experiment, and then when they're both in

1004
01:06:45,880 --> 01:06:50,080
Speaker 1: five they link back up. He's trying to basically rescue

1005
01:06:50,120 --> 01:06:52,840
Speaker 1: her and bring her along so that they can time

1006
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:55,760
Speaker 1: travel when he thinks that's possible. I would say this,

1007
01:06:56,160 --> 01:06:59,520
Speaker 1: my favorite scene of this movie is when Joe is

1008
01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:03,600
Speaker 1: trying to makes sense of time travel. That was commentary

1009
01:07:03,760 --> 01:07:08,960
Speaker 1: on time travel narratives that I thought was the commentary.

1010
01:07:09,240 --> 01:07:11,080
Speaker 1: That was good. I like that a lot. This movie

1011
01:07:11,120 --> 01:07:13,640
Speaker 1: does have its moments which almost makes it more frustrating,

1012
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:16,520
Speaker 1: and they're like I would keep like a solid seven

1013
01:07:16,560 --> 01:07:19,120
Speaker 1: minutes of this movie and then the rest is trash um.

1014
01:07:19,320 --> 01:07:21,479
Speaker 1: But yeah, so they link back up and they're they're

1015
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:26,680
Speaker 1: trying to escape, and then things start to get flirty

1016
01:07:26,880 --> 01:07:29,200
Speaker 1: when they're at the White House, and well for it,

1017
01:07:29,280 --> 01:07:32,600
Speaker 1: before that, he has to pretend like they're going to

1018
01:07:32,640 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 1: have sex with each other so that they can actually

1019
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,720
Speaker 1: go off and plan their escape. And that, to me,

1020
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:40,360
Speaker 1: that worked because he's not actually trying to like exploit

1021
01:07:40,400 --> 01:07:41,960
Speaker 1: her or have sex with or anything like that. That

1022
01:07:42,320 --> 01:07:44,760
Speaker 1: didn't work for me because I felt like it was

1023
01:07:44,920 --> 01:07:48,439
Speaker 1: implied that he was inherently of like he's a good

1024
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:51,440
Speaker 1: guy because he's not trying to assault her. You're like,

1025
01:07:51,480 --> 01:07:55,720
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that it makes anything. They would be together, like, right,

1026
01:07:55,760 --> 01:07:58,280
Speaker 1: that doesn't justify why they end up together, right, I

1027
01:07:58,320 --> 01:08:00,960
Speaker 1: mean in terms of the plot, right, it makes sense.

1028
01:08:01,160 --> 01:08:03,640
Speaker 1: But then things do start to get flirty, like when

1029
01:08:03,640 --> 01:08:06,320
Speaker 1: they're at the White House and she's like, you know,

1030
01:08:06,400 --> 01:08:08,160
Speaker 1: you don't have to sleep on the floor, you can

1031
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:10,240
Speaker 1: sleep in the bed with me, and he's like, and

1032
01:08:10,280 --> 01:08:12,920
Speaker 1: he so his whole thing, he never understands that she's

1033
01:08:12,920 --> 01:08:15,680
Speaker 1: a sex worker through the entire movie and possibly through

1034
01:08:15,720 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: their entire marriage question mark, and we don't clear. Yeah,

1035
01:08:19,479 --> 01:08:21,840
Speaker 1: he thinks that she's a painter, So maybe you could

1036
01:08:21,880 --> 01:08:25,280
Speaker 1: make the argument like, yeah, she's not smart enough to

1037
01:08:25,360 --> 01:08:29,240
Speaker 1: understand that her pimp has been dead for five centuries.

1038
01:08:29,600 --> 01:08:32,439
Speaker 1: He is not smart enough to notice that Rita is

1039
01:08:32,479 --> 01:08:35,040
Speaker 1: a sex worker. Question mark. None of it worked. I

1040
01:08:35,120 --> 01:08:40,720
Speaker 1: did just no. But eventually they get married and he

1041
01:08:41,120 --> 01:08:45,760
Speaker 1: and Rita becomes his first lady because he becomes president,

1042
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,720
Speaker 1: and it's just like, of course this would happen in

1043
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,040
Speaker 1: a movie from two thousand six where a man and

1044
01:08:52,080 --> 01:08:55,639
Speaker 1: a woman have to romantically end up together at the end.

1045
01:08:55,840 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: I think it would have been more I mean, there's

1046
01:08:57,439 --> 01:08:59,320
Speaker 1: so many more interesting ways to take that where it's

1047
01:08:59,320 --> 01:09:01,840
Speaker 1: like if you're the only to like, even if you

1048
01:09:01,960 --> 01:09:05,800
Speaker 1: are going from the fucking baseline weirdo eugenicis logic that

1049
01:09:05,840 --> 01:09:09,080
Speaker 1: this movie depends on to happen. I just feel it

1050
01:09:09,080 --> 01:09:11,599
Speaker 1: would be more fun to see two characters who are

1051
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,720
Speaker 1: from the same era and are like considered intellectually superior,

1052
01:09:15,080 --> 01:09:19,000
Speaker 1: like in conflict with each other, which these two never are.

1053
01:09:19,360 --> 01:09:21,920
Speaker 1: They're never in conflict with each other. I understand that

1054
01:09:21,960 --> 01:09:25,479
Speaker 1: it's like they have a vested interest in banding together,

1055
01:09:25,560 --> 01:09:28,720
Speaker 1: but it's just like her character has never taken seriously

1056
01:09:29,040 --> 01:09:33,160
Speaker 1: enough to really develop any sort of side plot of

1057
01:09:33,200 --> 01:09:35,400
Speaker 1: her own, Like if you just like let go of

1058
01:09:35,439 --> 01:09:37,600
Speaker 1: the fact that, like if you just allowed her to

1059
01:09:37,800 --> 01:09:41,759
Speaker 1: understand where she was, things could have become so different,

1060
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:45,160
Speaker 1: Like she could have allied with a different side of

1061
01:09:45,200 --> 01:09:49,000
Speaker 1: the fucking future conflict then Luke Wilson did. They could

1062
01:09:49,000 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 1: have been political rivals, they could have been like so

1063
01:09:51,560 --> 01:09:54,000
Speaker 1: many different things could have happened other than like she

1064
01:09:54,080 --> 01:09:56,360
Speaker 1: has no idea where she is, and then at the

1065
01:09:56,439 --> 01:09:58,320
Speaker 1: last second, she's like, I have a crush on you,

1066
01:09:58,680 --> 01:10:01,880
Speaker 1: Like that's like the most boring thing that could possibly happen.

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01:10:02,920 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: That said, Luke Wilson's character, like you're just implying, is

1068
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:10,200
Speaker 1: also very boring and hard to root for, and he's

1069
01:10:10,240 --> 01:10:12,679
Speaker 1: like such a straight I mean, it's not Luke Wilson's fault,

1070
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:15,559
Speaker 1: but it's like that character is such a straight man

1071
01:10:15,600 --> 01:10:20,679
Speaker 1: that you're like, who fucking cares right, gives a ship?

1072
01:10:20,920 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 1: This man is so boring. And then there's this like

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01:10:23,800 --> 01:10:28,719
Speaker 1: running joke where she is tricking this guy into giving

1074
01:10:28,720 --> 01:10:32,799
Speaker 1: her money on the promise that sometime in the future

1075
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:37,880
Speaker 1: she will do something sexual with him, which just makes

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01:10:37,960 --> 01:10:42,080
Speaker 1: her seem kind of like deceitful, and I mean, I

1077
01:10:42,120 --> 01:10:45,040
Speaker 1: don't always saw honest. That didn't really bother me. I'm

1078
01:10:45,080 --> 01:10:48,000
Speaker 1: just like, yeah, I think Hanning a future man. I

1079
01:10:48,000 --> 01:10:50,720
Speaker 1: don't really care because she has to like survive. It

1080
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:54,880
Speaker 1: only bothered me because I think that you could someone

1081
01:10:54,960 --> 01:11:00,000
Speaker 1: watching this might draw connection between because she's a sex worker, like, oh,

1082
01:11:00,200 --> 01:11:02,680
Speaker 1: like this is what sex workers do. They try to,

1083
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:04,639
Speaker 1: like I don't know, cheat you out of your money,

1084
01:11:04,760 --> 01:11:08,679
Speaker 1: or they're dishonest or they're something like that. And that's

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01:11:08,720 --> 01:11:11,280
Speaker 1: what rubbed me the wrong way. Yeah, yeah, I feel

1086
01:11:11,280 --> 01:11:12,960
Speaker 1: like there's there's a few ways to come at that,

1087
01:11:12,960 --> 01:11:16,760
Speaker 1: because I was also like, well, she's money and this

1088
01:11:16,880 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: person is Um has money and she needs to survive.

1089
01:11:22,040 --> 01:11:25,679
Speaker 1: I wanted to quickly talk about how my judge talks

1090
01:11:25,720 --> 01:11:28,519
Speaker 1: about this movie now, and by now, I mean sort

1091
01:11:28,560 --> 01:11:31,840
Speaker 1: of like the way that in The Idiocracy is a

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01:11:31,880 --> 01:11:36,040
Speaker 1: documentary era, so the last eight years. So he said

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01:11:36,080 --> 01:11:38,519
Speaker 1: this in an interview with The Daily Beast. Let me

1094
01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:46,080
Speaker 1: just quickly trick the year on this. Okay, early Trump era, um,

1095
01:11:46,120 --> 01:11:49,000
Speaker 1: and this is him commenting on what then was already

1096
01:11:49,040 --> 01:11:54,120
Speaker 1: a very common idiocracy as a documentary tweet vibes God

1097
01:11:54,240 --> 01:11:58,920
Speaker 1: so boring. Okay, So he he says in quote three

1098
01:11:59,040 --> 01:12:01,240
Speaker 1: or four years ago, I started getting comments about it,

1099
01:12:01,320 --> 01:12:04,320
Speaker 1: people discovering it, and it just keeps building. Now every

1100
01:12:04,320 --> 01:12:06,880
Speaker 1: other Twitter comments I get is about Idiocracy and how

1101
01:12:07,040 --> 01:12:09,920
Speaker 1: the documentary. Now, at first I was thinking, yeah, that's

1102
01:12:10,000 --> 01:12:14,479
Speaker 1: nice to hear, but then very specific things like Carl's Jr.

1103
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,879
Speaker 1: Announcing that they were going to have a completely robotic,

1104
01:12:16,920 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: non employee store, and that's Carl's Jr. In the movie.

1105
01:12:20,800 --> 01:12:23,520
Speaker 1: Then there's this thing called the Filatio Cafe in Switzerland

1106
01:12:23,560 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: where you get blow jobs with coffee, and we had

1107
01:12:26,000 --> 01:12:28,200
Speaker 1: the Starbucks thing in there. And then Donald Trump being

1108
01:12:28,200 --> 01:12:31,160
Speaker 1: in the WWF before and talking about his penis size.

1109
01:12:31,479 --> 01:12:35,680
Speaker 1: It's just one specific thing after another unquote. Now I

1110
01:12:35,720 --> 01:12:40,840
Speaker 1: will not argue with the like technical factual truth of

1111
01:12:40,880 --> 01:12:43,320
Speaker 1: what he's saying, but like I feel like the reason

1112
01:12:43,439 --> 01:12:47,880
Speaker 1: people say Idiocracy documentary has more to do with hyper

1113
01:12:47,920 --> 01:12:53,160
Speaker 1: specifics like that versus the foundation of the world that's

1114
01:12:53,160 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 1: built in the movie that has I would argue, little

1115
01:12:56,080 --> 01:13:00,439
Speaker 1: to nothing to do with what we are dealing with now.

1116
01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:04,440
Speaker 1: And also also, I mean to say, Ata said hilarious

1117
01:13:04,479 --> 01:13:06,879
Speaker 1: to think that we're going to exist in five years,

1118
01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:10,439
Speaker 1: but I kept having that thought. I'm like we're all

1119
01:13:10,479 --> 01:13:14,439
Speaker 1: going to be fucking dead. The environment will not sustain

1120
01:13:14,680 --> 01:13:18,800
Speaker 1: life because of how badly we've fucked it up. Awesome, Uh,

1121
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:24,760
Speaker 1: but you know whatever, appreciate the optimism, um, but ultimately,

1122
01:13:24,800 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: you know, like I, I just think it's it's a

1123
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,960
Speaker 1: bummer because I do appreciate the filmmaker that it's like.

1124
01:13:33,400 --> 01:13:36,920
Speaker 1: And I wonder if in the future he will push

1125
01:13:36,960 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 1: back on this very persistent idea because I feel like

1126
01:13:40,479 --> 01:13:42,920
Speaker 1: people are repeated, like I wouldn't really care as much

1127
01:13:42,960 --> 01:13:44,800
Speaker 1: if this was like a movie that no one saw

1128
01:13:44,880 --> 01:13:47,080
Speaker 1: in two thousand and six and people still like no

1129
01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:49,080
Speaker 1: one really saw it, because then you're just like, well,

1130
01:13:49,880 --> 01:13:52,920
Speaker 1: it's a victimist crime, you know. Like, but because people

1131
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:57,080
Speaker 1: are continually pushed to this movie as an example of like,

1132
01:13:57,600 --> 01:14:01,519
Speaker 1: this is what's wrong with America, when I, when I

1133
01:14:01,640 --> 01:14:05,120
Speaker 1: just outside of the corporate criticism, was not getting a

1134
01:14:05,120 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: lot of what appears to actually be wrong, right, Like,

1135
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:17,080
Speaker 1: just feels like an annoying, distracting, victim blamey approach to

1136
01:14:17,720 --> 01:14:20,599
Speaker 1: cultural criticism. And I wonder if and it's one thing,

1137
01:14:20,640 --> 01:14:22,559
Speaker 1: it's like, Okay, if you were a filmmaker in two

1138
01:14:22,560 --> 01:14:25,840
Speaker 1: thousand six, just reflect on that that's all you can

1139
01:14:25,880 --> 01:14:27,960
Speaker 1: really do at this point, and I would I would

1140
01:14:27,960 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: be interested to see if he ever kind of reflects

1141
01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:36,120
Speaker 1: on the criticism of yeah, because it's very frustrating to

1142
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 1: be living today in a society where period period, end

1143
01:14:41,920 --> 01:14:47,040
Speaker 1: of thought, no, but like our rights are actively being

1144
01:14:47,080 --> 01:14:51,640
Speaker 1: taken away. There's talk of how the Supreme Court is

1145
01:14:51,680 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: going to continue to keep taking away the right to

1146
01:14:55,880 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 1: get marriage, like like all this stuff. I was talking

1147
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:02,200
Speaker 1: talking about this with my best friend recently about how

1148
01:15:02,280 --> 01:15:07,360
Speaker 1: like good news days from the past, like couple decades,

1149
01:15:08,320 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 1: it's only been good news days because it's just like, wow,

1150
01:15:12,120 --> 01:15:18,160
Speaker 1: this right that people should have had all along, finally

1151
01:15:18,680 --> 01:15:24,800
Speaker 1: is a right that people have officially it's been codified, right,

1152
01:15:24,920 --> 01:15:27,320
Speaker 1: So like, but then you've got your bad news days

1153
01:15:27,360 --> 01:15:31,080
Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, yeah, Roe v. Wade overturned and

1154
01:15:31,280 --> 01:15:35,600
Speaker 1: now abortion is criminalized and gay marriage might be criminalized,

1155
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:39,200
Speaker 1: and you just like all these horrible things and um,

1156
01:15:39,280 --> 01:15:41,680
Speaker 1: what was my point? So it's just like so frustrating

1157
01:15:41,720 --> 01:15:44,479
Speaker 1: to like, I mean, and that's just the fucking tip

1158
01:15:44,520 --> 01:15:48,680
Speaker 1: of the iceberg, just like systemic racism and policing and

1159
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:52,360
Speaker 1: all just every societal ill stuff that has never been

1160
01:15:52,439 --> 01:15:56,439
Speaker 1: like significantly legally challenged. Right, It's just like we're getting

1161
01:15:56,439 --> 01:15:59,519
Speaker 1: a lot of rights overturned, but there's also a lot

1162
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 1: of stuff that never even gotten Right, there's this a

1163
01:16:01,880 --> 01:16:06,760
Speaker 1: whole slew of like oppressive societal issues that we're dealing

1164
01:16:06,840 --> 01:16:11,920
Speaker 1: with every day. And then for people to compare that

1165
01:16:12,800 --> 01:16:18,559
Speaker 1: to this movie, which just blames poor people for the

1166
01:16:18,800 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: decline of civilization, it's very of the age. And I

1167
01:16:22,479 --> 01:16:25,480
Speaker 1: know that, like sometimes we get criticism for like examining

1168
01:16:25,840 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: older movies from a current lens, but I mean, even

1169
01:16:28,960 --> 01:16:31,479
Speaker 1: in the two thousand six lens, like this was very

1170
01:16:31,560 --> 01:16:33,639
Speaker 1: much Again, it's like we're not saying that this movie

1171
01:16:33,680 --> 01:16:37,599
Speaker 1: was unusual for its time. And I do vary strongly

1172
01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:42,720
Speaker 1: feel that like this type of comedy it's time. It's

1173
01:16:42,760 --> 01:16:46,840
Speaker 1: not whatever. There's like art isn't useless, it's not like

1174
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,439
Speaker 1: but I do think that you can trace this era

1175
01:16:51,560 --> 01:16:57,360
Speaker 1: of satire's role in a kind of like unproductive energy

1176
01:16:57,760 --> 01:17:01,200
Speaker 1: with with people that a lot of people recognize and

1177
01:17:01,240 --> 01:17:03,920
Speaker 1: are like not engaging with. There's not a ton of

1178
01:17:04,160 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 1: like I feel like, I mean, even just like the

1179
01:17:06,360 --> 01:17:09,320
Speaker 1: fact that Bill Maher is the only person from this

1180
01:17:09,400 --> 01:17:11,439
Speaker 1: era that is still doing the same ship he was

1181
01:17:11,439 --> 01:17:13,839
Speaker 1: in two thousand six, and now most of his original

1182
01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:16,760
Speaker 1: viewers fucking hate him. So I feel like that, like

1183
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:20,439
Speaker 1: he is the case study for like people don't like

1184
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,639
Speaker 1: this anymore and the people who like this are like

1185
01:17:24,240 --> 01:17:29,280
Speaker 1: weirdo doubling down assholes, Like this type of comedy doesn't

1186
01:17:29,360 --> 01:17:33,120
Speaker 1: really exist anymore in a popular sense, but the fact

1187
01:17:33,120 --> 01:17:38,000
Speaker 1: that this was popular in its time does leave a legacy.

1188
01:17:38,240 --> 01:17:40,479
Speaker 1: And the way that like the comedy that we were doing,

1189
01:17:40,680 --> 01:17:42,559
Speaker 1: you know, five to ten years ago, in the comedy

1190
01:17:42,560 --> 01:17:44,599
Speaker 1: we're doing now will leave a legacy and it's not

1191
01:17:44,640 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: all going to be great, And it's like, you know,

1192
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,760
Speaker 1: the older I get that where it's like you can't

1193
01:17:49,800 --> 01:17:53,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't take back your funck ups. All

1194
01:17:53,160 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: you can do is address and not endorse them. And

1195
01:17:56,000 --> 01:17:57,600
Speaker 1: it feels like that is kind of like what the

1196
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:00,479
Speaker 1: filmmakers of this movie have done by not wishing back

1197
01:18:00,520 --> 01:18:04,320
Speaker 1: against the idiocracy as a documentary thing, right, Yeah, they're

1198
01:18:04,320 --> 01:18:06,240
Speaker 1: just kind of patting themselves on the back for being

1199
01:18:06,280 --> 01:18:10,479
Speaker 1: like awesome movie. I predicted a coffee shop that gives

1200
01:18:10,479 --> 01:18:15,200
Speaker 1: out blow jobs, which what's wrong with that anyway? Not

1201
01:18:15,320 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 1: an indicator of the downfall of society. Um, do you

1202
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:22,840
Speaker 1: have anything else to talk about? No, I think this

1203
01:18:22,880 --> 01:18:24,680
Speaker 1: movie had its heart in the right place, but it

1204
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,920
Speaker 1: like it just I really, I think it's aged extremely

1205
01:18:29,000 --> 01:18:34,040
Speaker 1: poorly and I don't like it at all. Agree and right, Yeah,

1206
01:18:34,080 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 1: Like we understand the cultural landscape informing the media and

1207
01:18:38,800 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 1: the satire at the time, and sometimes it does feel

1208
01:18:42,280 --> 01:18:46,800
Speaker 1: weird to criticize a movie that's a product of its

1209
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: environment from like almost two decades ago, but that's also

1210
01:18:53,400 --> 01:18:56,920
Speaker 1: our job. Anyway, The movie I don't think passes the

1211
01:18:57,120 --> 01:19:00,639
Speaker 1: Bechtel test. I don't think so either. I don't think

1212
01:19:00,680 --> 01:19:04,519
Speaker 1: women interact at any point, and if they do, I

1213
01:19:04,560 --> 01:19:08,800
Speaker 1: didn't notice it. But what about our nipple scale, in

1214
01:19:08,840 --> 01:19:12,439
Speaker 1: which we rate the movie zero to five nipples based

1215
01:19:12,640 --> 01:19:16,000
Speaker 1: on how does it do when looking at it through

1216
01:19:16,120 --> 01:19:21,640
Speaker 1: an intersectional feminist lens? And I would give this movie

1217
01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:27,240
Speaker 1: not good. I'll give it a half nipple because I

1218
01:19:27,320 --> 01:19:34,200
Speaker 1: do think it gets the kind of like capitalist consumersm

1219
01:19:34,640 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: commentary more right than anything else. But that should have

1220
01:19:41,600 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 1: been one of many things that gets acknowledged and commented on.

1221
01:19:48,600 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 1: The movie ignores and instead blames the downfall of society

1222
01:19:54,920 --> 01:19:59,800
Speaker 1: on poor people. Yeah, and that sucks so and then again,

1223
01:19:59,840 --> 01:20:03,960
Speaker 1: just like all of the the classist, the ablest, the racist,

1224
01:20:04,320 --> 01:20:10,920
Speaker 1: the sexist coding of the characters is really shitty. One

1225
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:16,360
Speaker 1: half nipple. I'll give it to my Rudolph, whose talents

1226
01:20:16,680 --> 01:20:23,200
Speaker 1: in this movie are squandered, because she is far better

1227
01:20:23,240 --> 01:20:27,720
Speaker 1: than what this movie suggests. She's the best. Um, I'm

1228
01:20:27,720 --> 01:20:29,280
Speaker 1: going to give a zero because I didn't like it

1229
01:20:29,320 --> 01:20:32,280
Speaker 1: to piss me off, So I guess I have nothing

1230
01:20:32,280 --> 01:20:34,360
Speaker 1: else to say. I just like I do. I do

1231
01:20:34,680 --> 01:20:39,200
Speaker 1: agree that the corporate criticism is valid. There were jokes

1232
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,920
Speaker 1: in this movie that made me laugh, Like, there are

1233
01:20:41,040 --> 01:20:42,880
Speaker 1: jokes in this movie that I'll probably return to. It

1234
01:20:42,880 --> 01:20:45,080
Speaker 1: would be like that was a funny thing. But it's

1235
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:48,600
Speaker 1: just the premise of this movie is so frustrating to

1236
01:20:48,720 --> 01:20:52,920
Speaker 1: me that I and I have no nostalgic attachment to it.

1237
01:20:53,120 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna give it zero. And so I have

1238
01:20:55,479 --> 01:20:58,880
Speaker 1: no nipples to give, and I, um, if anything to

1239
01:20:59,000 --> 01:21:01,400
Speaker 1: end not a positive, No, I do feel like you're like, oh,

1240
01:21:01,439 --> 01:21:08,280
Speaker 1: there is actually a huge market right now for effective satire. UM,

1241
01:21:08,320 --> 01:21:10,479
Speaker 1: and there's I think most of it is happening currently

1242
01:21:10,520 --> 01:21:13,360
Speaker 1: in TV. But there is a lot of good satire

1243
01:21:13,479 --> 01:21:18,320
Speaker 1: of American politics and American dystopia that are coming out.

1244
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:21,840
Speaker 1: I do want to say that, like it's not that

1245
01:21:22,160 --> 01:21:25,479
Speaker 1: you know, idiocracy being like kind of shitty means that

1246
01:21:25,560 --> 01:21:28,400
Speaker 1: American satire is dead. It just means like this one

1247
01:21:28,600 --> 01:21:33,040
Speaker 1: aged very poorly, but the genre has continued. There's no

1248
01:21:33,400 --> 01:21:37,040
Speaker 1: you know, lack of inspiration to pull from, and it

1249
01:21:37,200 --> 01:21:39,639
Speaker 1: is a genre that is like kind of gone on,

1250
01:21:39,720 --> 01:21:43,120
Speaker 1: I think, to to develop and grow in a very

1251
01:21:43,160 --> 01:21:46,320
Speaker 1: interesting way. And also I think that satire has everything

1252
01:21:46,320 --> 01:21:48,720
Speaker 1: to do with the point of view of who's writing it,

1253
01:21:48,760 --> 01:21:51,519
Speaker 1: and so having more satire that is not written by

1254
01:21:51,680 --> 01:21:55,640
Speaker 1: already powerful straight says white Guys is always going to

1255
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:57,559
Speaker 1: be a good thing, and that we have a lot

1256
01:21:57,600 --> 01:22:02,360
Speaker 1: more of that now and there's still obviously room for more.

1257
01:22:03,240 --> 01:22:06,080
Speaker 1: But I do think that this genre like is a

1258
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:10,439
Speaker 1: very like satire, like good satire, and like timeless satire

1259
01:22:10,640 --> 01:22:14,080
Speaker 1: is like really really hard to do. Um true, because

1260
01:22:14,120 --> 01:22:17,679
Speaker 1: which is why this movie didn't do it. It worked

1261
01:22:17,680 --> 01:22:20,880
Speaker 1: at the time, it does not work work now. So

1262
01:22:21,040 --> 01:22:24,320
Speaker 1: zero nipples hated it. Um let's end the episode. Let's

1263
01:22:24,360 --> 01:22:27,559
Speaker 1: stop the fourth of July, just kidding, Abolish the Supreme

1264
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:33,000
Speaker 1: Court of Shitty Country. Anyways, and watch z Way. I

1265
01:22:33,040 --> 01:22:35,439
Speaker 1: think Way is doing some of my favorites. She's doing

1266
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: some of the American satire right now. Yeah, like she's

1267
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:43,080
Speaker 1: the best. Yeah. With with that in mind, satire historically

1268
01:22:43,080 --> 01:22:45,960
Speaker 1: does not age particularly well. This is not a personal

1269
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Speaker 1: attack or indictment on Mike Judge. This movie did not

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Speaker 1: age well at all. I don't think it's any any

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Speaker 1: longer really valuable satire to reflect on where America is at,

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Speaker 1: and it probably wasn't at the time either, but that's

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Speaker 1: kind of no one's business at this point because it's

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Speaker 1: the future. So with that in mind, uh, we love you.

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Speaker 1: Keep fighting, keep taking care of yourself, and we will

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Speaker 1: be right there with you doing the same. The fourth

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Speaker 1: of July is a waste of your time. But if

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Speaker 1: then fuck you know there. Look, there's no wrong time

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Speaker 1: to eat a hot dog, is what I'm saying. And

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Speaker 1: so for the fourth of July too, have co opted

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Speaker 1: hot dog culture in this way I think is a

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Speaker 1: net negative. But you know whatever, all press is good

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Speaker 1: and what are your crops with toilet water exactly? Bye

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