1 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 1: What's up everyone, Welcome back to Cutting the Distance. Now. 2 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 1: Over the last eight or so episodes at the end, 3 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:26,920 Speaker 1: I've been saying, if you've got questions, if this happened, 4 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:30,920 Speaker 1: reach out, send me social media messages, send to me, 5 00:00:32,240 --> 00:00:36,760 Speaker 1: uh emails at Remy at the mediator dot com, all 6 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: this stuff. So now we're gonna do something a little 7 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,519 Speaker 1: bit different on this one. I feel like it's a 8 00:00:42,600 --> 00:00:46,320 Speaker 1: good point to maybe answer a few questions that we've 9 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:51,240 Speaker 1: got from past episodes and kind of just just reply, 10 00:00:51,440 --> 00:00:56,000 Speaker 1: do some a little free form, and maybe you'll glean 11 00:00:56,040 --> 00:00:58,120 Speaker 1: some more tips off of stuff that I've already talked 12 00:00:58,120 --> 00:01:03,000 Speaker 1: about or new stuff. So Been here has prepared a 13 00:01:03,000 --> 00:01:05,959 Speaker 1: few questions Q and a's for me just out of 14 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: things that he's seen. Maybe cut some down to some 15 00:01:09,360 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: questions that I will be answering. I am. I don't 16 00:01:11,880 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: know the questions yet, so there maybe some surprises. I 17 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe it's either secret question question I haven't 18 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: given you. I've been I've been manning Remy at the 19 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: Mediator dot com for this entire time and sitting in 20 00:01:23,440 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 1: in the studio while Remy narrates his stories and give 21 00:01:27,560 --> 00:01:30,080 Speaker 1: the tips. Like I'm not what if I'm the man 22 00:01:30,120 --> 00:01:32,679 Speaker 1: behind the scenes. I'm definitely a man that is also 23 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,679 Speaker 1: behind the scenes behind it. I'm way behind. So I've 24 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:37,759 Speaker 1: been reading a lot of your your stuff at Remy 25 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: at the metator dot com and I've been following along 26 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 1: with social and enjoying this podcast. I mean, we certainly 27 00:01:43,720 --> 00:01:47,200 Speaker 1: want to make sure we give you the best product 28 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,040 Speaker 1: you possibly can get, and so we're gonna get these 29 00:01:51,040 --> 00:01:53,840 Speaker 1: are all pretty pretty useful and pretty serious questions, and 30 00:01:53,920 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 1: so you're ready, Remy warm. Well, first, I want to 31 00:01:57,280 --> 00:02:01,920 Speaker 1: thank everybody. Sure I like to throw up gratitudes and platitudes, 32 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,800 Speaker 1: but no, actually a lot of it. I love Uh 33 00:02:09,320 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: people have been like sharing and tagging me in it 34 00:02:11,800 --> 00:02:17,120 Speaker 1: as well. That's awesome. Like I think that discontinues because 35 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: of the people listening and their excitement about it as 36 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,480 Speaker 1: well as just sharing it with their friends. So thank 37 00:02:24,520 --> 00:02:27,280 Speaker 1: you guys for doing that. I really appreciate it, and 38 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,320 Speaker 1: thank you for interacting and the questions and stuff, because 39 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 1: it gives me better direction going into the future of 40 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,640 Speaker 1: like what what I should be talking about some stuff? Man, 41 00:02:37,200 --> 00:02:40,200 Speaker 1: I'm like, yeah, I didn't know I should be talking 42 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: about that. So it's good, Like there's a lot of 43 00:02:42,200 --> 00:02:45,200 Speaker 1: things that like, Man, I don't some of the I 44 00:02:45,240 --> 00:02:48,239 Speaker 1: think that that's kind of boring, But really it's stuff 45 00:02:48,240 --> 00:02:51,680 Speaker 1: that I just maybe take for granted, like the things 46 00:02:51,680 --> 00:02:53,720 Speaker 1: that I know that I just kind of take for granted. 47 00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: So that's where a lot of the comments and stuff 48 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: come in. I'm super handy and every buddy you know, 49 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:03,079 Speaker 1: sharing your experiences, sending pictures in all the things that 50 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:06,040 Speaker 1: you've guys done, it's some great successes. Yeah, and and 51 00:03:06,120 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 1: those are the best triumphs. The funny part is that 52 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:11,280 Speaker 1: some of these emails are long. You guys are you 53 00:03:11,280 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: guys aren't skipping on the details, and we appreciate that 54 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: because it's we're hunters. Man. We like to Remy, I know, 55 00:03:16,840 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: likes to listen to and read stories. I do too, 56 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: so for sure, And so the idea of this podcast 57 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: is just to draw out all the stuff Remy's going 58 00:03:25,000 --> 00:03:27,680 Speaker 1: through in his life. And and he spends you know, 59 00:03:27,760 --> 00:03:31,640 Speaker 1: three hundred days a year afield sometimes some years, and um, 60 00:03:31,680 --> 00:03:34,120 Speaker 1: there's no better person to kind of translate all this. 61 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:38,720 Speaker 1: So I've been very happy with all of your emails 62 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:41,880 Speaker 1: and all your questions. Man, it's been fun to ride 63 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,440 Speaker 1: along with Remy and and see the reaction. Man, It's 64 00:03:44,440 --> 00:03:46,640 Speaker 1: just it's a it's a hell of the thanks. You 65 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: want to get started? There the dutious. Uh, there we go. 66 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:57,200 Speaker 1: So episode number three, you talked about hot weather meatcare, 67 00:03:58,400 --> 00:04:00,000 Speaker 1: and that's a hot topic. You know. I'm a four 68 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: or yetti man myself as far as an employment goes, 69 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,040 Speaker 1: and a current YETI man as far as my cooler 70 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:10,840 Speaker 1: use goes. And this question came from Jason in Arizona. 71 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 1: He lives in a hot state pretty close to your 72 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:17,799 Speaker 1: home state of Nevada, and he is asking, he wrote 73 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:21,520 Speaker 1: in you know, a long email, but essentially boiling down 74 00:04:21,520 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: to asking, when you're transporting meat, do you if you're 75 00:04:26,120 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: putting it in a cooler, would you allow it to 76 00:04:28,920 --> 00:04:31,640 Speaker 1: be saturated in water? And is there any point during 77 00:04:32,080 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 1: your the meat process from field to butcher to whatever, 78 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 1: that you would would feel as appropriate to leave, say 79 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:40,760 Speaker 1: at elk quarter or a meal to your quarter, or 80 00:04:40,800 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: any any good cut of meat soaking in water for 81 00:04:44,120 --> 00:04:49,919 Speaker 1: any amount of time at all. He specifically asked about leaving, 82 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 1: you know, coming back, throwing a quarter and your cooler 83 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,680 Speaker 1: and driving home and having all the ice melt and 84 00:04:55,680 --> 00:04:58,159 Speaker 1: now you've got, you know, a pretty fresh chunk of 85 00:04:58,200 --> 00:05:01,720 Speaker 1: meat for sure that's submerged. Yeah. So here's the here's 86 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,599 Speaker 1: the thing about that, Like I was saying before, is 87 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: you know you want your you want to keep me 88 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:13,679 Speaker 1: cool and dry, now Elk core elk or a special breed, 89 00:05:13,720 --> 00:05:16,440 Speaker 1: because a lot of times they're just the size makes 90 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: it cumbersome. Now, I think if it's you want to 91 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: avoid it being in water. However, that's not always possibly. 92 00:05:26,560 --> 00:05:28,480 Speaker 1: You know, like you got to relive in the real world. 93 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: If you can keep it out of the water, great, 94 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:35,640 Speaker 1: But I just knowing from experience traveling home or whatever, 95 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,640 Speaker 1: a lot of times that quarter does get soaked. Is 96 00:05:39,640 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: it going to go off between you driving home and 97 00:05:41,680 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: sitting in the cooler water. No, it's not. But one 98 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: thing that I do when I get home is the 99 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,800 Speaker 1: first thing I do I And I've done this like 100 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:54,000 Speaker 1: with ladders in the garage, like I create some form 101 00:05:54,080 --> 00:05:57,680 Speaker 1: to hang it somewhere when I get home. I've done 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:00,960 Speaker 1: this in the garage with like a closet dowl between 103 00:06:01,120 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: two ladders because I just didn't have a good set 104 00:06:04,600 --> 00:06:06,279 Speaker 1: up for it. And then what I do is I 105 00:06:06,320 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: take a fan because the best way to cool it 106 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,560 Speaker 1: down and keep it dry. It's to is to dry 107 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,920 Speaker 1: it out. Now, if you live in Arizona, it's even 108 00:06:13,000 --> 00:06:17,719 Speaker 1: hot pretty much all the time, so the garage is 109 00:06:17,720 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: shaded somewhere it's cool. If you don't have a c 110 00:06:19,720 --> 00:06:22,440 Speaker 1: in your garage, run a fan on it, get that 111 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: air circulation, and you'll develop that crust again and then 112 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:30,440 Speaker 1: it's time to put back in the fridge or whatever. Now. 113 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 1: I recently had a buddy have the same problem. He's like, Man, 114 00:06:33,440 --> 00:06:36,120 Speaker 1: I got back everything was water logged. I don't I 115 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 1: gotta go back to work on Monday. What do I 116 00:06:39,040 --> 00:06:42,119 Speaker 1: do with this freaking elk until I can? I'm butcher 117 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,159 Speaker 1: in it all week, but I don't. It's not going 118 00:06:44,200 --> 00:06:47,839 Speaker 1: to be one day. I've got other things I gotta do, 119 00:06:47,960 --> 00:06:50,159 Speaker 1: Like I gotta do pieces of time. How do I 120 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:53,280 Speaker 1: store it? What do I do? So? I think there's 121 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: a couple of things you can do. First, refrigerator is 122 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:59,279 Speaker 1: a great place to store it as much as you can. 123 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:02,159 Speaker 1: And when you store it in the fridge, if you 124 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:05,159 Speaker 1: just put it all in one tub like, that's not 125 00:07:05,279 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: getting that's not keeping it dry either. The blood and 126 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,679 Speaker 1: everything soaks to the bottom so you need to figure 127 00:07:10,680 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: out a way to separate everything out or continually move 128 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: it in the fridge until you get those pieces. And 129 00:07:16,760 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: you would flow a lot of times if you're if 130 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:20,520 Speaker 1: you if your fridge has like a glass shell for 131 00:07:20,640 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: something that want a lot of air circulations, just you 132 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: can flip that quarter over every want in a while 133 00:07:25,160 --> 00:07:28,040 Speaker 1: to make sure that there's always air circulation. Get that 134 00:07:28,080 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: air circule. You gotta have it. But you know, I mean, 135 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 1: like how long can you leave something in the fridge, Well, 136 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:35,640 Speaker 1: it depends on the state. Like if it's in the 137 00:07:35,680 --> 00:07:39,240 Speaker 1: fridge with air circulating around it completely, you can leave 138 00:07:39,240 --> 00:07:42,120 Speaker 1: it in for a month almost, um, twenty days. I 139 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: don't really like aged meat personally like dry age that much. 140 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 1: But I've left stuff in my chiller for you know, 141 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: a week or two and it's great. It's fine. You've 142 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 1: probably done man age all the time I've aged, I've 143 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,200 Speaker 1: aged up to in the of days and it's it's 144 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:02,080 Speaker 1: you just it's a science that you have to really 145 00:08:02,080 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 1: take time on. So we were talking about when we 146 00:08:04,160 --> 00:08:07,840 Speaker 1: were recording that podcast. I remember talking about we're sitting 147 00:08:07,840 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: in trying to just determine how you're going to go 148 00:08:09,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: through the thirty minutes of the show, and we're just 149 00:08:11,640 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: talking about a lot of times a guy like you said, 150 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 1: is going to shoot an elk on a Saturday or 151 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:19,480 Speaker 1: a Sunday, spend all this time getting at home, and 152 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: then Monday comes, it's time to go to work. Yep, 153 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,680 Speaker 1: and you don't have you know, say you don't have 154 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: an area that you can hang it, say it's too 155 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 1: hot to hang it outside and your fridges and big 156 00:08:29,280 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: enough for a hundred plus pounds of meat to be 157 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,199 Speaker 1: stuffed in it. Here's another option, you can you get 158 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,360 Speaker 1: the water out of the cooler. And then I've I 159 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: learned this trick from some friends in in New Zealand. 160 00:08:42,240 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 1: Is you get a big animal well cut off. You know, 161 00:08:47,559 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: you don't have a lot of time to butcher it 162 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:53,000 Speaker 1: the way you want, so you you for that downtime 163 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 1: in between the butchering, cut off large chunks in in 164 00:08:57,120 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: big muscle groups and get large vacuum sealed eggs and 165 00:09:01,200 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: vacuum seal those pre butcher because then when when there's 166 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: no air going to them, they won't go bad in 167 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 1: the fridge. And so you don't have to worry about 168 00:09:11,120 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: the air circulation. So you can pack it into the 169 00:09:13,040 --> 00:09:15,640 Speaker 1: fridge that way and then take those packets out and 170 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:19,120 Speaker 1: butcher it. You could also repack the cooler full of ice, 171 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:24,240 Speaker 1: put those vacuum sealed things in the cooler on top 172 00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 1: of the ice to keep them cold. But by stopping 173 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,640 Speaker 1: the air, you're gonna stop them from going off, like 174 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: from spoiling. So just by vacuum seeling them, you can 175 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: leave them. I've I've got friends that it. When they 176 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:38,439 Speaker 1: shoot something, they just vacuum seal and leave it in 177 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: their fridge for two or three weeks because they won't 178 00:09:41,559 --> 00:09:43,720 Speaker 1: spoil if they can't get air. Now, it has to 179 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:46,319 Speaker 1: be a tight vacuum seal, so you really got to 180 00:09:46,400 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: make sure you know nothing's around the edges of that bag. 181 00:09:49,160 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 1: And you get those bigger bags and you can put 182 00:09:50,640 --> 00:09:52,599 Speaker 1: those big chunks, and it's just an easier way to 183 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: organize it until you have time to butcher it. Then 184 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:57,040 Speaker 1: as you come home, you might have one quarter that 185 00:09:57,320 --> 00:10:00,440 Speaker 1: is free hand free drying in the fridge and then 186 00:10:00,480 --> 00:10:02,559 Speaker 1: the other stuff stacked in the cooler. You can kind 187 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,160 Speaker 1: of work your space and then as you butcher, you're 188 00:10:05,240 --> 00:10:08,800 Speaker 1: getting more space and you can rotate things through. That's 189 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: the way that I do it. I'm sure you would 190 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: agree that, Like you have to have that process though, 191 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: but I wouldn't just leave it in my garage soaking 192 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:18,120 Speaker 1: in cooler water for five days. That's not cool when 193 00:10:18,120 --> 00:10:20,240 Speaker 1: you're when you're out hunting on a weekend, even if 194 00:10:20,280 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: you're even if that's kind of your game, if you're 195 00:10:22,440 --> 00:10:24,640 Speaker 1: just a weekend guy. I just feel like, I'm sure 196 00:10:24,679 --> 00:10:26,960 Speaker 1: you agree that you gotta have a process. I killable 197 00:10:27,120 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: no matter what it is. This is how I'm going 198 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: to make sure that the meat doesn't get ruined from 199 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 1: from field to truck to cooler, the freezer to butcher paper. 200 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:39,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you have to have this thought out, and 201 00:10:39,520 --> 00:10:42,000 Speaker 1: you can't run into a situation where all I gotta 202 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,120 Speaker 1: go to work and I I have no idea what to 203 00:10:43,160 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: do with this meat. I got it all the way 204 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 1: here not you know, in those in those instances, maybe 205 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 1: it's I like to do my own butchering. But dude, 206 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:53,320 Speaker 1: maybe you just gotta you gotta bite the bullet, drop 207 00:10:53,360 --> 00:10:55,160 Speaker 1: it off somewhere they can handle it and have that 208 00:10:55,360 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: placed down before you do it. That's just it sucks 209 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 1: and you're like, I don't wan to butcher it. Myself. 210 00:11:00,960 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: But if that's your situation, you can't. You don't have 211 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:06,320 Speaker 1: the ability to take care of it. There are places 212 00:11:06,320 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: that have so that you've got to keep that as 213 00:11:07,640 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: a backup plan too. That's an option, but really there's 214 00:11:11,160 --> 00:11:16,200 Speaker 1: there's workarounds. However, back to the original question, soaking in water, 215 00:11:16,960 --> 00:11:19,679 Speaker 1: don't do that. Don't leave it soaking in water. The 216 00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: next one Adam see he's from Virginia. He was talking about, 217 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: you know, in your first episode you were talking about 218 00:11:27,960 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: shooting an angle's horizontal distance versus linear distance. He is 219 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 1: just telling a story of trying to understand site picture 220 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: and and shooting an angles. And the question that he 221 00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:41,560 Speaker 1: leveled in here that I thought was good was just 222 00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 1: basically at the at the end, he says, my bubble level, 223 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:50,280 Speaker 1: I feel like my bubble level is a distraction. I'm 224 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: trying to get my pain in the right spot, make 225 00:11:52,679 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 1: sure I've got good footing and do everything right. Why 226 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 1: the hell does my bubble level matter? And what does 227 00:11:59,040 --> 00:12:05,840 Speaker 1: it mean when shooting at angles? Okay, that's a good question. 228 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,920 Speaker 1: That's that's a there's a lot of technical answer involved 229 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:13,959 Speaker 1: in that simple question, but I will give an abbreviated 230 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:19,520 Speaker 1: version of it. So first answer why the level. The 231 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:22,520 Speaker 1: level is really important because if you think about it, 232 00:12:23,160 --> 00:12:25,319 Speaker 1: you got let's say, we'll just go with a multipensite 233 00:12:25,400 --> 00:12:27,840 Speaker 1: night even a slider site, just multipinsite. You've got your 234 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:31,400 Speaker 1: first pin at twenty and your last pin at fifty. 235 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:35,640 Speaker 1: Let's say, okay, so you draw back and your bow 236 00:12:35,880 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: is not level to the ground. Well, what the level 237 00:12:38,160 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: is is it's making sure that all the pins are 238 00:12:41,440 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: in line with the horizontal plane of the ground. So 239 00:12:44,440 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 1: therefore your left and right of the of your point 240 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 1: of aim is the same. So if your bubble is 241 00:12:52,160 --> 00:12:55,560 Speaker 1: cocked way to the left, say that means that the 242 00:12:55,600 --> 00:13:01,280 Speaker 1: top limb would be angling far right. Now, think about 243 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:03,600 Speaker 1: your bottom pin, your fifty yard pin. Not that you're 244 00:13:03,640 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: even shooting fifty yards, but where is that putting that 245 00:13:06,800 --> 00:13:10,000 Speaker 1: fifty yard pin. Well, that's putting that the pins further down, 246 00:13:10,520 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 1: further left than where it should be. Now, if you're 247 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:18,560 Speaker 1: shooting just really close, it makes a smaller difference. But 248 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:21,680 Speaker 1: as you even move out five ten yards, you're really 249 00:13:21,800 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 1: pushing your point of aim in in a direction left 250 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,960 Speaker 1: or right. If your bow isn't level. Now, when you 251 00:13:30,000 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: talk about you know shooting an angles and using your 252 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: level it's even more important. But one thing you have 253 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: to factor is what we call the third axis. So 254 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:43,960 Speaker 1: that's as you move your bow down, is your level 255 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,760 Speaker 1: still level? And then you can the second access you 256 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: would do to level your bow. Make sure you can 257 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,360 Speaker 1: put your bow in a vice or use it up 258 00:13:54,400 --> 00:13:57,920 Speaker 1: against the door jam, something that's plumb, like a plumb line, 259 00:13:58,280 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 1: running say a weighted string down so you know that 260 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:07,640 Speaker 1: something's level. Then you draw back at full draw. Do 261 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: this outside summer safe, don't dry fire it. You can 262 00:14:10,760 --> 00:14:13,320 Speaker 1: do it with an arrow, but make sure obviously use 263 00:14:13,360 --> 00:14:17,440 Speaker 1: common sense. Be safe. Now are all your pins lined 264 00:14:17,520 --> 00:14:20,160 Speaker 1: up on that plumb line when you're flat, and then 265 00:14:20,160 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: your bubble should be level. Then you know that your 266 00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: bubble is level four level ground. If it's not there, 267 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:30,720 Speaker 1: almost every bone now has a way to adjust that, 268 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: so you're just the level itself that way. Then that 269 00:14:33,960 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: that would be I guess the second access. Then the 270 00:14:35,680 --> 00:14:38,520 Speaker 1: third axis would be canting it out. So as you 271 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: go down at a fort up or down, does that 272 00:14:42,760 --> 00:14:46,960 Speaker 1: level stay level? Is it true? And so I I 273 00:14:47,040 --> 00:14:49,120 Speaker 1: like to use a plumb line to figure that out. 274 00:14:50,040 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: I also and a full draw you want to do 275 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 1: it at full draw because it changes your grip and 276 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:59,080 Speaker 1: everything changes, so that does make a difference. I found 277 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: this vice to ice. I think it's like it's like 278 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:05,040 Speaker 1: a vice that PSC makes. I don't even know the 279 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,920 Speaker 1: name of it, but you can find it that you 280 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,440 Speaker 1: can clamp it on you level. It's got levels on it. 281 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:13,000 Speaker 1: Then you level yours and then you can drop that 282 00:15:13,160 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 1: vice to forty five degrees. That's a good place to start. 283 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:18,520 Speaker 1: The other access. You would actually you push the housing 284 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,000 Speaker 1: away or towards you to adjust well. And if you're 285 00:15:22,040 --> 00:15:24,000 Speaker 1: if you really want a quick way to learn this too, 286 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 1: you and your next time you're at your pro shop 287 00:15:26,080 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 1: and they're setting your bow up, just ask them because 288 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 1: they're if they're doing it right there checking your third access, 289 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: ask them how do you do that? And just watch 290 00:15:32,520 --> 00:15:34,600 Speaker 1: them do it. They'll they likely will have a tool 291 00:15:34,720 --> 00:15:37,520 Speaker 1: if they don't see how they freehand it. And then 292 00:15:37,680 --> 00:15:41,680 Speaker 1: there's um, there's another good device for full draw third 293 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: access is Hamski makes it. That's a good one. But 294 00:15:45,680 --> 00:15:49,400 Speaker 1: long story short, Heck yeah, that bubble makes a big difference. 295 00:15:49,640 --> 00:15:53,880 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, And and and that's you gotta like when 296 00:15:53,880 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 1: you're checking your side picture. That's just gotta be again 297 00:15:55,840 --> 00:15:58,840 Speaker 1: part of your process. Check this, check this, check this, 298 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: and arrow at the air of line, you can't skip 299 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:04,480 Speaker 1: that bubble level or like you said, at distances it's 300 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:06,720 Speaker 1: tough well and if you just think, oh it feels 301 00:16:06,800 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 1: level on angle, it always feels level. What's not level, 302 00:16:10,680 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: So it makes a big difference. This is one that 303 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,280 Speaker 1: you and I were both thinking when we were recording 304 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: episode number two, which is the bear attack on the 305 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,400 Speaker 1: fog neck being safer in bear country. We were both 306 00:16:21,440 --> 00:16:26,160 Speaker 1: thinking of this and when we were talking about um 307 00:16:26,320 --> 00:16:29,480 Speaker 1: putting the episode together, whether it should be multiple bear 308 00:16:29,520 --> 00:16:32,680 Speaker 1: attacks or multiple bear encounters that you've had that kind 309 00:16:32,680 --> 00:16:35,560 Speaker 1: of informed the tips, But we turned it just we 310 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: felt it was smoother just to have just the falkneck attack. 311 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,840 Speaker 1: But you have a lot of other bear encounters, you know, 312 00:16:41,920 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: that are informative, And this question came in a bunch 313 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 1: um it came I probably I probably read twenty of them, 314 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:52,920 Speaker 1: I bet. In regards to black bear country as we'll 315 00:16:52,960 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: call it, which is most of the United States, but 316 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 1: in in country where you're hunting or you're around black bears, 317 00:16:59,560 --> 00:17:02,040 Speaker 1: do you the same precautions as you do in grizz 318 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:04,720 Speaker 1: a brown bearer country, and you know, how do you 319 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 1: how do you how did your mind think about that 320 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:13,440 Speaker 1: that scenario. Yeah, So I generally don't take the same precautions, 321 00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: but I take precautions because statistically, I think there's more 322 00:17:17,800 --> 00:17:20,600 Speaker 1: black bear attacks than there are brown bear attacks, and 323 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:25,680 Speaker 1: it's just based on you encounter him more there. They 324 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,800 Speaker 1: are more places, and they're close, they do things closer people. 325 00:17:28,840 --> 00:17:32,080 Speaker 1: One day, my brother was on a fall bear hunt, 326 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:37,480 Speaker 1: packed into the mission mountains, hunted bears hard for seven days, 327 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:43,199 Speaker 1: got back unpacking his stuff. He texted me that he 328 00:17:43,280 --> 00:17:46,040 Speaker 1: was home. So I'm like sweet. So I rolled back 329 00:17:46,080 --> 00:17:49,920 Speaker 1: into the driveway and here's a big old black bear 330 00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 1: trying to get an empty diesel can in our you 331 00:17:54,040 --> 00:17:56,560 Speaker 1: know what I mean. And I'm like, here, he was 332 00:17:56,600 --> 00:17:59,720 Speaker 1: out in grizz country and black bear country and had 333 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,560 Speaker 1: zero encounters, and yet right in the driveway, here's this 334 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: big old bear that's like getting honorary about an empty 335 00:18:08,119 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: diesel can. And I think that that right there is 336 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,520 Speaker 1: a because you just don't know where you're going to 337 00:18:14,640 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 1: encounter black bears. Um, so you need to take precautions. 338 00:18:18,359 --> 00:18:21,959 Speaker 1: When I'm in areas like Prince of Wales, or due 339 00:18:22,000 --> 00:18:24,360 Speaker 1: to a place that there's a lot of high densities 340 00:18:24,400 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 1: of black bears California. People that hunt in California, there's 341 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:30,399 Speaker 1: a lot of freaking bears there. And so in those 342 00:18:30,400 --> 00:18:34,200 Speaker 1: places where there's a lot of bear, black bears, I 343 00:18:34,280 --> 00:18:36,879 Speaker 1: do take the precautions. If I don't keep food in 344 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,919 Speaker 1: my tent, I take the precaution. And you know, it 345 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: never hurts to have some form of protection from any 346 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:47,879 Speaker 1: sort of prayer. If you're bow hunting in California, you know, 347 00:18:47,920 --> 00:18:51,440 Speaker 1: it's not a bad idea to have have some kind 348 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:55,239 Speaker 1: of something on you. I always I'll never forget. I'm 349 00:18:55,320 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: just like, well, I reading what was it? There was 350 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:03,679 Speaker 1: actually Cam Haynes book on back country bow hunting, and 351 00:19:03,680 --> 00:19:05,120 Speaker 1: he has a story in there about a guy named 352 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: South Cox. They got tore up by a bear in California. 353 00:19:07,640 --> 00:19:10,080 Speaker 1: Every time I'm hunting California, I think that as a 354 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,199 Speaker 1: black bear. You know, I've heard other stories of just 355 00:19:13,400 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: people that have sent me, oh I got look at this. 356 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: This is from black bear. And my buddy's cousin got 357 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: taken out of her tent well River guiding by a 358 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: black beard. So yeah, when you're in black bear country, 359 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,520 Speaker 1: you really need to just also be aware of your 360 00:19:28,560 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 1: surroundings at all times. But I do not personally. I 361 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,000 Speaker 1: think there is serious of a threat. Is grizzly bears, 362 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:38,639 Speaker 1: Like you have to be a hundred percent on it 363 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 1: in grizzly country black bear country, Yeah, I don't know. 364 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,240 Speaker 1: I've had However, though I've had bad encounters with black bears. Well, 365 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 1: there's roughitely, there's roughly I don't know. It depends on 366 00:19:49,240 --> 00:19:52,000 Speaker 1: the population, but there's ten times the amount of black 367 00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:54,720 Speaker 1: bears in this country as there are grizzly bears. I 368 00:19:55,000 --> 00:20:00,879 Speaker 1: have encountered more aggressive black bears than browns. Yeah, I 369 00:20:00,880 --> 00:20:04,960 Speaker 1: mean I've had my I've had one follow me. Um, 370 00:20:06,160 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: these are I've got some. Yeah, a lot of encounters 371 00:20:08,480 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 1: with black bears. One of them I had one tear 372 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 1: up my brand new four wheeler, had to one steal 373 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,720 Speaker 1: some packs from some hunters follow me. I had to 374 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:20,440 Speaker 1: put the pistol in one's face and charged me. It 375 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: charged like I should. I thought about shoot. I had 376 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,120 Speaker 1: a tag too and I but I just didn't want 377 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 1: to deal with it. Spit. While speaking of camaigns, I 378 00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: have hunted with cam before where you know, hunting with 379 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 1: a with a bow all on the ground in Alberta 380 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:37,320 Speaker 1: when there's fifteen eighteen black bears walking around you and 381 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 1: they're all within ten yards complete on a bait side. 382 00:20:41,160 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: And the way that they express describe it up there 383 00:20:43,760 --> 00:20:45,399 Speaker 1: is that if a grizzly comes into the bait, you 384 00:20:45,440 --> 00:20:47,720 Speaker 1: stand up and you get your shotgun, or you stand 385 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:50,560 Speaker 1: up in a defensive position because the grizzly bears not 386 00:20:50,600 --> 00:20:55,639 Speaker 1: coming into lick the honey. He's coming into mess with 387 00:20:55,680 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: anything that's in his territory. And that's how they described it. 388 00:20:58,520 --> 00:21:00,800 Speaker 1: And so I've never I didn't run into a bait 389 00:21:00,880 --> 00:21:02,639 Speaker 1: that had both carriers and black bears on it. But 390 00:21:02,720 --> 00:21:06,400 Speaker 1: that's that's how they describe it up there. Uh yeah, 391 00:21:06,440 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: I mean, but if you're in just black bear country, 392 00:21:08,840 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 1: camping whatever, you should be cautious. You should take precautions. 393 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: It never hurts to be cautious. So do yourself favor. 394 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:20,600 Speaker 1: Don't just don't just go into a situation thinking if 395 00:21:20,720 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: if it, if it freaks you out, if you think, oh, 396 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:25,840 Speaker 1: there's black bears in this and I'm nervous, bring some 397 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: bear spray, bring something. Follow bear safety tips, like what's 398 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: it gonna hurt. Who cares? You'll be more comfortable that way, 399 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: especially family camping and stuff too. Oh yeah, gotta be 400 00:21:38,840 --> 00:21:41,040 Speaker 1: on the ball. Okay, Well, can I tell a funny 401 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 1: family camping bear story? Okay? So I was just divert 402 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:49,640 Speaker 1: from the questionable quick. So my grandpa always had this 403 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:55,320 Speaker 1: story that he had he had he has white hair, 404 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:59,080 Speaker 1: so when we were little kids, like real little, he 405 00:21:59,119 --> 00:22:02,119 Speaker 1: would tell us this story that a bear pete on 406 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:05,119 Speaker 1: his head and that's how his hair turned white, and 407 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:07,119 Speaker 1: so in order for him to get his hair back, 408 00:22:07,760 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 1: we needed to pee on a bear's head for him. Right, 409 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:15,040 Speaker 1: So we're like on a family camping trip. I don't 410 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:17,159 Speaker 1: even know I was probably I was old enough to 411 00:22:17,200 --> 00:22:19,600 Speaker 1: know better. I was probably like six years seven years old, 412 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,440 Speaker 1: six years old. And then my little brothers are there 413 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:27,600 Speaker 1: and we're camping in northern California, somewhere in the Humble area, 414 00:22:27,960 --> 00:22:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know, campground style camping on the coast, and 415 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:35,639 Speaker 1: this big old black bear walks into camp, just checking 416 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: people's coolers, and me and my brothers get together and 417 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: we're like, wouldn't it be cool if we pete on 418 00:22:41,400 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 1: this bear's head for grandpa? So it's like getting into 419 00:22:45,720 --> 00:22:48,960 Speaker 1: our cooler and we think, okay, we're gonna jump up 420 00:22:49,000 --> 00:22:52,520 Speaker 1: on the picnic table and pee on this bear's head. 421 00:22:53,359 --> 00:22:56,320 Speaker 1: So we jump up on the table ready to be 422 00:22:56,480 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 1: on this bear's head, and the very season starts running 423 00:22:58,800 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 1: and now we're like chasing the bear pants half down 424 00:23:02,200 --> 00:23:05,080 Speaker 1: through the campground. These three little kids chasing this bear 425 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: with their pants half down through a campground. People are 426 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,159 Speaker 1: looking like, oh bear, And then here come these like 427 00:23:11,800 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: screaming kids running by trying to pee on this bear's head. 428 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,720 Speaker 1: That had it been successful, that would have been great. 429 00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,760 Speaker 1: That would have been counter an entire podcast. But yeah, 430 00:23:22,840 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: how many people you think actually pete on a bear? 431 00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:27,960 Speaker 1: I think anybody's ever made it happen like Luis and 432 00:23:27,960 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: Clark maybe probably probably pete on a bear sometimes. Yeah, 433 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,040 Speaker 1: but that's my campground bear story to a unique story. 434 00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 1: So why we love your podcast. These stories you gotta get. Yeah, yeah, 435 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 1: we may make that into a whole episode that should 436 00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:46,240 Speaker 1: someone should animate that, like, okay, that would be a 437 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:48,760 Speaker 1: great little animation. You're listening to this, you're an animator, 438 00:23:48,840 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: Please let us know what it costs or just do 439 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,199 Speaker 1: it for free. We'd prefer that what else we gotta here? 440 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: What else? What else? What else? We did three episodes 441 00:23:57,040 --> 00:24:01,280 Speaker 1: on elk, so so as you can imagine, lots and 442 00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: lots of questions, questions, and we're still we're not out 443 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 1: of the elk season yet now, so some of these 444 00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:15,320 Speaker 1: I think can be helpful. Um here's one, well, let's see. 445 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,600 Speaker 1: It was from Brian in Minnesota. He said he's traveling 446 00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: out west to Colorado to do some elk cutting this 447 00:24:22,119 --> 00:24:26,520 Speaker 1: year by himself, and was asking that a lot of 448 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:29,320 Speaker 1: year in in episodes four or five six, where you 449 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:32,879 Speaker 1: talked about dogging, el can coaxing and loan bulls and 450 00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: non non vocal sounds, he says that a lot of 451 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:39,639 Speaker 1: that you were describing guiding another person or calling for 452 00:24:39,640 --> 00:24:42,840 Speaker 1: another person. You're on a show called solo Hunter. He's 453 00:24:42,880 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 1: asking what do I do if I'm by myself and 454 00:24:46,440 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: all these situations occurred, I've got to both draw my 455 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: bow and break a tree or draw my bow and 456 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: make you know, cow sounds and bugles in different directions. 457 00:24:56,840 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 1: He's just asking for, like, how do you execute those things? Yeah? 458 00:24:59,800 --> 00:25:03,160 Speaker 1: It is more difficult, but most almost all the elk 459 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: I've taken have been by myself. You know. I One 460 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 1: thing I do is I like to change the direction 461 00:25:09,800 --> 00:25:12,320 Speaker 1: that I'm calling to make it appear that I'm further back. 462 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: Another thing is don't be afraid to move around. UM. 463 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:19,439 Speaker 1: A lot of the call like elk are expecting to 464 00:25:19,480 --> 00:25:22,320 Speaker 1: see movement. You can get away with a lot of movement, 465 00:25:22,680 --> 00:25:25,320 Speaker 1: especially when you're in a calling position. You just have 466 00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: to stay vigilant, keep your eye open, make sure that 467 00:25:29,760 --> 00:25:32,280 Speaker 1: the elk is not going to see you first. But 468 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: don't be afraid to do what you need to do 469 00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: to get that bowl to come to you. Now when 470 00:25:38,080 --> 00:25:41,879 Speaker 1: it's really bearing down. I prefer to use a diaphragm 471 00:25:41,880 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 1: style call um because it's hands free. Al's got some 472 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: elk calls. I always have calls I never UM, you know, 473 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,200 Speaker 1: but I I know that some people have trouble even 474 00:25:55,280 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: using these calls, or don't practice with them, or can't 475 00:25:57,560 --> 00:26:02,879 Speaker 1: use them. So if out as you practice making the 476 00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: cow like the basic cow call with your voice, I 477 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:11,280 Speaker 1: use that a lot to stop the bull or to 478 00:26:12,040 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, if you've got to draw back and in 479 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:19,800 Speaker 1: bad timing, use just a that's no call, that's just 480 00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:24,000 Speaker 1: my voice going practice that because that is key just 481 00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: to stop the elk sometimes you'll need that. Another good 482 00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,520 Speaker 1: call if you don't have is like the kind that 483 00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: you bite, the biting call um, because you can keep 484 00:26:36,320 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 1: it in the corner of your mouth. The name the 485 00:26:39,040 --> 00:26:41,920 Speaker 1: pre must makes everyone makes one. There's a lot of those. 486 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 1: I've used quite a few of those in the past. 487 00:26:44,920 --> 00:26:47,679 Speaker 1: Um but yeah, a lot out of the tactics that 488 00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:50,280 Speaker 1: I've done the best too for being by yourself, the 489 00:26:50,359 --> 00:26:54,000 Speaker 1: dogging elk and the calling to a loan bull, that's great. 490 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: They're great setups if you're by yourself, So hopefully those 491 00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 1: situations arise. Yeah, that's just everything up hunting. Where you're 492 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,679 Speaker 1: by yourself and you're calling, it's more difficult, it's how 493 00:27:03,720 --> 00:27:06,879 Speaker 1: it is, but it is doable. Yeah, it's tougher to 494 00:27:06,880 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 1: close the distance because you're closer the animal. You have 495 00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:11,639 Speaker 1: to draw, you have to be ready. It's just tougher. 496 00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:15,600 Speaker 1: But also think about calling further back and then sneaking up, 497 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: like stalking to where it is, because when they're hold up, 498 00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: when you're by yourself, you make the moves, and so 499 00:27:21,240 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 1: you can get away with a lot more just getting 500 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:28,879 Speaker 1: into position than moving crawling, closing the gap, closing the distance. 501 00:27:29,920 --> 00:27:32,800 Speaker 1: He said it. He said the name of the podcast, 502 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:39,720 Speaker 1: it's cutting the Distance. We started just as, um, just 503 00:27:39,800 --> 00:27:41,480 Speaker 1: as this is a little bit of behind the scenes. 504 00:27:41,560 --> 00:27:43,720 Speaker 1: We started out as closing the Distance. That was the 505 00:27:43,760 --> 00:27:47,680 Speaker 1: show name. I didn't like that sounds like I'm in 506 00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:50,280 Speaker 1: a bar because like trying to pick up chicks at 507 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: a bar. I'm like, then cutting, that's not a good name. Cutting, 508 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:58,959 Speaker 1: but cutting cutting is better, Yeah, because if you're at 509 00:27:58,960 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: a bar, you wouldn't you would close the distance, not 510 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: cut it right too, that's too brash to brash. What 511 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,760 Speaker 1: else we got? Oh, um man, there's a lot. There's 512 00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: a lot. I should make shorter answers and we can 513 00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,679 Speaker 1: we have time for I think we have probably have 514 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:18,880 Speaker 1: time for two more. Two more. Um here's a good one. 515 00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 1: And this came in a lot. People love the shoes 516 00:28:21,520 --> 00:28:23,240 Speaker 1: off situation. I think we might have to make a 517 00:28:23,240 --> 00:28:28,040 Speaker 1: T shirt that says s OSS situations off situation. This 518 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: was an episode ago where we talked about a Remy 519 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:36,240 Speaker 1: talked about Honey Mule Deer without your Shoes on, and 520 00:28:36,280 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 1: a lot of you guys rode in to ask uh 521 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:40,880 Speaker 1: specifics about it. But one of the things that came 522 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:44,680 Speaker 1: in the most was what's the craziest place you've ever done? 523 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 1: An s os uh in the Chewcatch Mountains of Alaska, 524 00:28:51,160 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: stalking some bedded doll sheep. It was closing in. It 525 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:02,960 Speaker 1: was steep, it was shelley. All sheep generally don't mind noise. 526 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 1: But I was bow hunting and I was so close 527 00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: and in order to get a shot, I had to 528 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: get closer because shoes off situation. It was wet ground, 529 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,760 Speaker 1: it was rocky. That was That was a major shoes 530 00:29:14,760 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: off situation. And then probably the second craziest shoes off situation, 531 00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: um bow hunting in Mexico, a little cactus country. But 532 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: I did the sandal. I did what I liked, my 533 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 1: my modified shoes off sitch, the sandal with sock over Yeah. 534 00:29:32,520 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: That that helped with the old not a fashion statement, 535 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:39,880 Speaker 1: but effective. Well you don't see the sandal because the 536 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,240 Speaker 1: socks over the top. Yeah, you can wear socks under 537 00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:46,320 Speaker 1: your sandals. If you wear socks over your sandals as well, 538 00:29:48,040 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 1: neither of what's very fashion. Yeah, what else we got here? 539 00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,440 Speaker 1: People like the shoes off sitch though, I and the 540 00:29:54,480 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: only reason I started talking about that that was one 541 00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,040 Speaker 1: of the things that I just get a lot of 542 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:03,120 Speaker 1: questions about and think, uh huh huh. I mean every 543 00:30:03,280 --> 00:30:06,680 Speaker 1: thing about every mule dear archery article you've ever read 544 00:30:07,800 --> 00:30:11,960 Speaker 1: talks about that, and then people are surprised about it. Yeah, 545 00:30:11,960 --> 00:30:14,040 Speaker 1: I don't know. I think it's probably something that those 546 00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 1: of us who do a lot of stock and understand, 547 00:30:16,480 --> 00:30:19,400 Speaker 1: but maybe those that that just see this that are 548 00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: either casual hunters that just don't do a lot of 549 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: Western spot and stock. You know, you're stocking the thing 550 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,760 Speaker 1: I see all the time, big mistakes, guys wearing mountaineering 551 00:30:29,800 --> 00:30:31,360 Speaker 1: style boots and like, I'm going to sneak up on 552 00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:34,160 Speaker 1: this mule there in dry country in my uh full 553 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:37,400 Speaker 1: shank boots. Good luck son. I would say the first 554 00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,640 Speaker 1: time that we ever went to Lunai to stalk access here, 555 00:30:39,680 --> 00:30:43,600 Speaker 1: I probably I probably bought brought a pair like crispy 556 00:30:43,600 --> 00:30:46,520 Speaker 1: mountain boots that were probably and you notice that that 557 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:48,960 Speaker 1: first time, I just hunted like damn near barefoot the 558 00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:52,320 Speaker 1: entire time, and I did pretty darn good and it 559 00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:54,760 Speaker 1: was just like, yeah, I was just walking. I was like, 560 00:30:54,800 --> 00:30:58,239 Speaker 1: it's flat, it's not bad. This one spot as well, 561 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: just hunting my stocking socks. All that we we ended 562 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:03,920 Speaker 1: up by the second or third trip we went over there, 563 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: and you and me and everyone else didn't even bring 564 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,160 Speaker 1: put boots in your pack and just have them in 565 00:31:08,240 --> 00:31:09,880 Speaker 1: case you had to walk on the road or something. 566 00:31:09,920 --> 00:31:12,720 Speaker 1: But you just didn't even wear them, didn't even need them. 567 00:31:12,880 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: So it depends on where you are. But and the 568 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: funny thing is a lot of you guys that wrote in, 569 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: you know, Remy does a lot of hunting out west, 570 00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,560 Speaker 1: and that's what this podcast really about. It's cool that 571 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: a lot of you guys wrote in you're from all 572 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,840 Speaker 1: over the country and you're coming west to hunt. There's 573 00:31:27,880 --> 00:31:30,400 Speaker 1: so much you know, there's such a divide regionally, but 574 00:31:30,520 --> 00:31:32,960 Speaker 1: it just seems like there's a lot of people that 575 00:31:33,000 --> 00:31:35,560 Speaker 1: are traveling from a long ways from the home place 576 00:31:35,600 --> 00:31:37,040 Speaker 1: to go do these things. So it's important that you 577 00:31:37,040 --> 00:31:39,760 Speaker 1: get it right. So I'm glad that those things are 578 00:31:39,760 --> 00:31:43,800 Speaker 1: coming together now. Probably the biggest question that I have 579 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,680 Speaker 1: this is uh episode four, it was called the Story 580 00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:57,400 Speaker 1: of Stubby mcnubbon mcnubban's Stubby mcnubbins and um, a couple 581 00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 1: of people ask it in is Stubby mcne ubbens still 582 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: roaming the hills of Montana? So yes, and no the 583 00:32:06,800 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: o g Stubby mcnubbans. I think he's gone. However, his 584 00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,280 Speaker 1: genes moved on. There's I mean it's one of the 585 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,560 Speaker 1: it's like bigfoot sightings in this area because there's multiple 586 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: places where we're like we saw Stubby. I think it's 587 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 1: just Stubbies offspring. Dude. He was. He was the boss hog, 588 00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: he had his harem and he ruled the roost. It's 589 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 1: his Jenes definitely got passed on the memory and the 590 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:38,000 Speaker 1: legacy of Stubby mcnubbans shallingder. God bless you, Stubby, Yeah, 591 00:32:38,440 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: God bless you. Do you have any like what's in 592 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:43,000 Speaker 1: the future. You know, we're we've we've we want to 593 00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,080 Speaker 1: do this. We're gonna do this, um you know, is 594 00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:48,960 Speaker 1: as frequently as we can. Rebby be out in the 595 00:32:49,000 --> 00:32:51,280 Speaker 1: field a lot this fallen as well. I'm doing other things, 596 00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: but we're gonna try to make sure we do this 597 00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,720 Speaker 1: at least once every couple of months where we gather 598 00:32:55,760 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: all your questions and we answer them on the show. 599 00:32:57,600 --> 00:32:59,560 Speaker 1: So look out for that. But there's a lot of 600 00:32:59,600 --> 00:33:03,400 Speaker 1: other things is coming up as far as topics, so 601 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:08,080 Speaker 1: hopefully stick around what's what's what's burning for you? There, Renny. Oh, 602 00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:11,960 Speaker 1: I think there's some good stuff as far as we're 603 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,480 Speaker 1: coming into. I like to make it topical and seasonal. 604 00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:19,200 Speaker 1: So and let's talk about a little spotting stuff, some 605 00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:25,160 Speaker 1: rifle season LK hunting tactics, deer hunting tactics, then just 606 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: some you know, some all around just good hunting skills. Man. 607 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: We've been we've been hamming pretty hard on glassing tips, 608 00:33:33,600 --> 00:33:35,680 Speaker 1: which we haven't covered yet on the show. So you 609 00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:38,040 Speaker 1: think that's coming up, right? Yeah? Glassing. I mean that's 610 00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 1: the number one tactic for Western hunting. And that's the 611 00:33:41,520 --> 00:33:44,880 Speaker 1: question I've been getting a lot. I just uh, someone 612 00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: just wrote actually right before we start recording this. So Okay, 613 00:33:48,520 --> 00:33:51,320 Speaker 1: I've got good optics, but I'm having I'm only seeing 614 00:33:51,360 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: stuff that's moving around. What the hell am I doing wrong? 615 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:57,920 Speaker 1: What should I be looking for? Yeah, and then I'll 616 00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,240 Speaker 1: talk about that. But and I want to get into 617 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:02,800 Speaker 1: some advanced stuff too. For the guys that you know, 618 00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:05,240 Speaker 1: I want you, you know what, I want you to 619 00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:08,000 Speaker 1: be the best spotter that you know. Yeah, I haven't 620 00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,880 Speaker 1: written down as an episode title spot bucks before your friends. 621 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:14,359 Speaker 1: That's a good one. Make a competitive So we will 622 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 1: keep working on this but thank you for all writing 623 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: in from from my desk and the whole Mediator crew 624 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: and especially Remy who's the man. Oh yeah, thank you guys. 625 00:34:26,040 --> 00:34:30,960 Speaker 1: I uh and then maybe some you know what, shoot 626 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,040 Speaker 1: me some comments on good endings. How should I end 627 00:34:35,120 --> 00:34:38,319 Speaker 1: the podcast? That's the hardest part. Like what's a good 628 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 1: sign off? Like stay frosty, stay stealthy, Yeah, you got 629 00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:45,040 Speaker 1: your broccoli. I mean, he's all died. Wasn't one of them? Like, 630 00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: don't get died, don't get I don't know the sign off. 631 00:34:49,520 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: I kind of like the variety. I want one that's 632 00:34:52,400 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: like kind of me where it's subtle yet cool yourself. 633 00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. Yeah, Like if I'm in a group 634 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: of people, like I'm just like when you're leaving the 635 00:35:07,239 --> 00:35:09,359 Speaker 1: bar and everybody else will stay like you're leaving early 636 00:35:09,400 --> 00:35:11,000 Speaker 1: to go home and get some rest. You say like 637 00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,480 Speaker 1: all right, guys, stay frosty. No see. I just if 638 00:35:14,680 --> 00:35:17,280 Speaker 1: I'm around a group of people, I do the Irish. 639 00:35:17,800 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: I just sleep nobody. If you say I'm leaving, then 640 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,600 Speaker 1: I was like, why are you leaving? You just like 641 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:26,600 Speaker 1: let's slip out. That's that's on our new podcast called 642 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:31,439 Speaker 1: Closing the Distance. That's on the bar. Tips, yes, being 643 00:35:31,480 --> 00:35:34,680 Speaker 1: at the bar. How to? I don't know. Yeah, a 644 00:35:34,719 --> 00:35:38,440 Speaker 1: lot of hunting tips. Not so good for social situations. 645 00:35:39,239 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: All right, let me close it out. Give us your ender. Um. Yeah, 646 00:35:44,239 --> 00:35:46,120 Speaker 1: thanks for the comments. I wish we could get to 647 00:35:46,160 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: all of them. I try my damnedest to answer as 648 00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,000 Speaker 1: many questions as I can. The shorter the answer, the 649 00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: more likely I am to respond to it via message 650 00:35:56,600 --> 00:36:00,280 Speaker 1: before my thumbs wear out. However, some of the longer 651 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,000 Speaker 1: form ones I like to this is great, talk it 652 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: out here and until next week. Um, eat your protein, 653 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:18,800 Speaker 1: eat that, cook your elk medium rare, keep a medium rare. Goodbye, 654 00:36:23,400 --> 00:36:23,440 Speaker 1: h