1 00:00:05,280 --> 00:00:09,959 Speaker 1: Uh, it could happen. Here is a podcast that you're 2 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,680 Speaker 1: listening to right now. If this is a surprise to you, 3 00:00:13,800 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: if you if you thought this was the Joe Rogan experience, 4 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:22,000 Speaker 1: let me assure you everyone here does eat a diet 5 00:00:22,079 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: of nothing but elk meat. Uh. And to talk to 6 00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:28,680 Speaker 1: me about the health value of elk meat uh is 7 00:00:30,480 --> 00:00:35,200 Speaker 1: um no? Uh so about I don't know. A week 8 00:00:35,320 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: or so ago. UM, we're talking with Sarah Young. Sarah, 9 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: how are you doing good? How are you? I'm I'm 10 00:00:42,080 --> 00:00:45,200 Speaker 1: pretty good. Sarah. You're a deputy features editor at The Verge. 11 00:00:45,720 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: You are a lawyer and a journalist, so you have 12 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 1: embraced the two most cursed vocations in two um and 13 00:00:54,280 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: you you've number one most recently written an incredible piece 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 1: UM about the Portland and abductions, which is like brutal 15 00:01:04,959 --> 00:01:08,600 Speaker 1: and um, very important for the Verge. People ought to 16 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:11,080 Speaker 1: check it out. It is Uh. I don't know. I've 17 00:01:11,120 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: had trouble getting through all of it because it is 18 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:17,360 Speaker 1: very good and because I was there. But everyone needs 19 00:01:17,400 --> 00:01:20,039 Speaker 1: to read it. It's an important piece. We're not talking 20 00:01:20,040 --> 00:01:22,760 Speaker 1: about that today. We're talking about a post that you 21 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,920 Speaker 1: made on the Twitter dot com about a week or 22 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:28,400 Speaker 1: so ago that I I messaged you about wanting to 23 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:30,319 Speaker 1: to chat about you want to kind of talk about 24 00:01:30,360 --> 00:01:32,440 Speaker 1: what that post was and what you were trying to 25 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:36,440 Speaker 1: get across. Yeah, the audience. So, if you live in 26 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,319 Speaker 1: Portland right now, it's, um, it's absolutely fucking rancid. Like 27 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: I think the discourse well sometimes sometimes a city, but 28 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:51,480 Speaker 1: the discourse is rancid. Uh. It's like this in a 29 00:01:51,520 --> 00:01:56,040 Speaker 1: lot of other cities as well. Um, but is like 30 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 1: the discourse around homeless people, right, yeah, Yeah, every every 31 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: conversation you have with any random person, it's like eventually 32 00:02:04,160 --> 00:02:07,240 Speaker 1: goes to oh, it's gotten so bad here lately, and 33 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:11,520 Speaker 1: it's always about homeless people. Um, and they it always 34 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: goes to this place where they're like, oh, we should 35 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: start rounding people up into camps and getting rid of them. 36 00:02:18,480 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 1: And it's like people are a little too excited for 37 00:02:20,840 --> 00:02:25,480 Speaker 1: literally murder homeless people. You get just saying the most 38 00:02:25,520 --> 00:02:27,600 Speaker 1: insane things like oh, I'm not going to break my 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: car if I see one of those homeless people. It's 40 00:02:31,360 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: it's awful and like, yeah, it's really really awful and 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:41,760 Speaker 1: like and then you get people going like, oh, well, 42 00:02:42,040 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: you know how things are and like pulling out murders 43 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:47,799 Speaker 1: that have happened in like New York, um of Asian 44 00:02:47,800 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 1: women at me to like justify why it is that 45 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: I need to start supporting the cops and so on 46 00:02:53,080 --> 00:03:01,839 Speaker 1: and so forth. Um, And it's just there's this thing 47 00:03:01,919 --> 00:03:06,359 Speaker 1: where I think that they're well meaning leftists really want 48 00:03:06,400 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: to sort of pull out like let's humanize almost people, 49 00:03:10,720 --> 00:03:13,480 Speaker 1: which like, yes, but the people you're talking to they 50 00:03:13,520 --> 00:03:18,080 Speaker 1: don't deal with empathy actually, right, they already don't see 51 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:20,920 Speaker 1: most of the population as people. So what you're doing 52 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:23,360 Speaker 1: is you're not even speaking the language that they speak. 53 00:03:24,480 --> 00:03:28,040 Speaker 1: The issue for me is that what they're what people 54 00:03:28,040 --> 00:03:31,800 Speaker 1: are doing when they dehumanize the homeless or like turn 55 00:03:31,840 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: them into like a problem that you can just sweep 56 00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:39,120 Speaker 1: away or like kill or put in danger or drop 57 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: into a camp where they're more likely to die or 58 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: get sick or be harmed. Um, it's it's that you're 59 00:03:47,080 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 1: making a vast class of people based on like superficial characteristics. Right, Um, 60 00:03:54,400 --> 00:03:58,760 Speaker 1: they might be dirty, they're intense. Whatever you felt threatened 61 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: by one of them once, So now everyone who's ever 62 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 1: been homeless deserves to have a worse off life because 63 00:04:06,520 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: you didn't feel great about it this one time and 64 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 1: or two times, and it's it's really absurd to me 65 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:20,520 Speaker 1: because like, yeah, I I've had many instances in my 66 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: life where I haven't felt very safe, um, because of 67 00:04:24,279 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 1: someone who was homeless, because of someone who was an addict. 68 00:04:27,240 --> 00:04:29,560 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm a small Asian woman. I take public transit. 69 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:33,239 Speaker 1: It is, the vibes are off in every fucking city 70 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 1: right now for people who look like me. Um, But 71 00:04:37,200 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: that doesn't mean that everyone who looks like the person 72 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:45,400 Speaker 1: who's making me uncomfortable deserves to be swept up into 73 00:04:45,400 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: a fucking camp. And in fact, like if I like, 74 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: roll the tape back and look at sort of, oh, 75 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,960 Speaker 1: let's look at people who have made me feel threatened, 76 00:04:55,080 --> 00:05:00,080 Speaker 1: afraid whatever. I've gone through big old sprints in my 77 00:05:00,200 --> 00:05:03,000 Speaker 1: life where I'm getting a lot of death threats from 78 00:05:03,040 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: white supremacists. I mean, I'm sure you've life too. I 79 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:10,279 Speaker 1: can see I see it, But like you, I don't 80 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 1: know because you're a woman writing on the internet, Like 81 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,320 Speaker 1: you'll get more in a couple of months than I 82 00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:19,000 Speaker 1: do in an average like year. I mean it depends, right, 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:24,720 Speaker 1: Like it depends. I was just looking at your mentions yeah, 84 00:05:24,760 --> 00:05:26,839 Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't really look to carefully, so 85 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know what the numbers are. Like this is. 86 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 1: I did have an incredible, like six month period where 87 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:39,159 Speaker 1: it was really intense because Tucker Carlson was like putting 88 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,760 Speaker 1: me on his show for a while, so it was 89 00:05:42,839 --> 00:05:45,760 Speaker 1: it was really bad, like people like some guy called 90 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: into my office and threatened to fire bomb it, and 91 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 1: the people who got the phone call like, we're stressed 92 00:05:52,000 --> 00:05:53,680 Speaker 1: out enough that they called the cops and there's like 93 00:05:53,680 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 1: a police report and like, um, there was a bunch 94 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,480 Speaker 1: of stuff that happened during this period that was pretty 95 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: scary and uh. And it was always like guys who 96 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:07,760 Speaker 1: all sort of looks the same, right, It's like all 97 00:06:07,800 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 1: the you know, the Oakley sunglasses, like taking a selfie 98 00:06:10,920 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: of themselves in the car, like that sort of stereotype, right, 99 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:19,600 Speaker 1: And you know, I gotta say, for a while, i'd 100 00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:23,080 Speaker 1: see that like that little profile picture, I'd see someone 101 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: in person and like my heart would start beating faster. Right. 102 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 1: Took a while for me to like be able to 103 00:06:29,600 --> 00:06:34,440 Speaker 1: dial that back. Um, during that six month period, I'd 104 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,520 Speaker 1: hear someone yell a racial slur, and I would almost 105 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: have a panic attack because I fem like, oh no, 106 00:06:39,920 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: like like someone's gonna come and make good on these threats, 107 00:06:44,920 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 1: and I don't, like, I don't want to round people 108 00:06:50,920 --> 00:06:56,720 Speaker 1: up into camps for looking like a shitty, racist, suburbanite 109 00:06:56,720 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: white cut Like it's like it's the because I'm not 110 00:07:01,000 --> 00:07:05,080 Speaker 1: a fucking Nazi. Like it's like it doesn't matter what 111 00:07:05,160 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: you've experienced. You're like, what legitimate harm you faced from 112 00:07:09,040 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 1: people who look a certain way, Like you don't round 113 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:15,840 Speaker 1: them up into camps or like talk about like how 114 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:20,400 Speaker 1: you're not going to break on the straw on the street. 115 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,440 Speaker 1: I'm glad I was happy for kind of your perspective 116 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,760 Speaker 1: on the matter, because I do try. Like whenever people 117 00:07:25,800 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 1: talk about how scary Portlands are, how scary the homeless 118 00:07:28,240 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 1: camps are, Like, the thing I want to say is like, 119 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: like I have like five or six different running routes 120 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,280 Speaker 1: in the city, and most of them have homeless encampments 121 00:07:36,320 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: on them, and I run through them at night. I 122 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: went through them at the day, never had a problem. Um, 123 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:44,160 Speaker 1: you know, sometimes there's like trash, and I would like 124 00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:46,679 Speaker 1: it if it were cleaner, but also primarily the people 125 00:07:46,720 --> 00:07:50,280 Speaker 1: cleaning up are usually like autonomously organized groups of formerly 126 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: houseless folks, which is the thing that happens in a 127 00:07:52,280 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 1: couple of the neighborhoods that I go to, um and like. 128 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: But at the same time, I don't want to bring 129 00:07:58,440 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: that in when there's an argument about it, because like, 130 00:08:00,840 --> 00:08:03,920 Speaker 1: I'm a six ft three pound white guy, right, Like, 131 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,360 Speaker 1: of course I'm as a general rule in a lot 132 00:08:06,400 --> 00:08:09,120 Speaker 1: of situations, I don't feel worried what other people do 133 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,200 Speaker 1: because I'm a big white dude and that's UM. But 134 00:08:12,440 --> 00:08:15,640 Speaker 1: what I will say, I had an experience a couple 135 00:08:15,680 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 1: of months back. A person that I live near, like 136 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:20,880 Speaker 1: a neighbor of mine, is a young woman within like 137 00:08:20,920 --> 00:08:24,800 Speaker 1: a six month old infant, and she was out jogging 138 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 1: on one of the trails near our house, and two 139 00:08:28,560 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 1: guys uh in new Kawasaki like motorcycles, dirt bikes, whatever 140 00:08:34,640 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 1: you want to call them. I assume rich kids because 141 00:08:37,480 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 1: these were very new bikes drove up and shot at 142 00:08:40,480 --> 00:08:42,680 Speaker 1: her and her baby with baby guns. Hit her in 143 00:08:42,720 --> 00:08:47,120 Speaker 1: the face, nearly hit her baby. Um, And it was 144 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 1: like homeless folks and people at an illegal skate park 145 00:08:51,520 --> 00:08:53,720 Speaker 1: who came to her aid and like made sure she 146 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 1: was okay, and when I got out there, because I 147 00:08:56,240 --> 00:08:58,160 Speaker 1: I rolled out there with a fucking beat stick and 148 00:08:58,200 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: a handgun just to be like, if I see these motherfucker's, 149 00:09:01,080 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: we're gonna have words. And I started talking to homeless 150 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,320 Speaker 1: folks that I knew on the route who were all like, yeah, 151 00:09:07,320 --> 00:09:09,360 Speaker 1: those people like they come by to shoot at us, 152 00:09:09,400 --> 00:09:11,600 Speaker 1: and it's and I have heard this in multiple encampments. 153 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,439 Speaker 1: I've heard this at Laurel Nurst a number of places 154 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: that like kids from the suburbs will come in to 155 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,200 Speaker 1: shoot homeless people with baby guns and mace them, and um, 156 00:09:20,160 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: I have I'm not gonna say again. I've also been 157 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:26,000 Speaker 1: in a situation where like an agitated, houseless woman was 158 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,400 Speaker 1: like swinging a machette at some folks, and you know, 159 00:09:29,480 --> 00:09:32,000 Speaker 1: everything was de escalated. But like, I get it. The 160 00:09:32,000 --> 00:09:34,600 Speaker 1: fact that there are people out there who are having 161 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 1: like mental health difficulty means that people are going to 162 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:40,559 Speaker 1: have encounters that can be frightening. Um. But by and large, 163 00:09:40,840 --> 00:09:44,600 Speaker 1: the people that I find myself most threatened by are 164 00:09:44,679 --> 00:09:47,440 Speaker 1: like kids, people like those assholes rolling by and shooting 165 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 1: people with baby guns, and of course folks driving gigantic 166 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: trucks in tiny streets like assholes often while wasted. Um, 167 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:57,600 Speaker 1: Like those are the things that scare me in Portland, 168 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,320 Speaker 1: not the encampments. Yeah, and honestly, like there there are 169 00:10:03,400 --> 00:10:07,280 Speaker 1: some increasing safety issues in Portland, but like a lot 170 00:10:07,280 --> 00:10:09,680 Speaker 1: of it is also just like from cars, right, Like 171 00:10:09,720 --> 00:10:12,120 Speaker 1: it is a it's more there's more of a car 172 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 1: culture than there used to be. Um. And people get 173 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: hit and uh, they go to the hospital or they die, 174 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:22,760 Speaker 1: like it's it. There's like they're they're big changes in 175 00:10:22,800 --> 00:10:26,840 Speaker 1: the city for sure, but like it's there's so much 176 00:10:26,880 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: focus on homelessness as being like the root of all 177 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 1: of that, and like, I don't know, they'll say, oh, 178 00:10:31,960 --> 00:10:34,120 Speaker 1: Portland has gotten so bad and the same breath as 179 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 1: like talking about how high rents are or like how 180 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:41,959 Speaker 1: expensive houses have gotten just not even connecting those two things, right, 181 00:10:42,280 --> 00:10:47,120 Speaker 1: Like why is it that housing is so expensive now? 182 00:10:47,280 --> 00:10:50,880 Speaker 1: Like clearly people are placing bets on real estate either 183 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:55,440 Speaker 1: that or just we haven't built out enough. Could that 184 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 1: be something? Um? Or maybe things aren't as bad as 185 00:10:58,760 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: you think, and it's it's a desirable place to live. 186 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:07,679 Speaker 1: Um it's really like it is. It's extremely frustrating. Um. 187 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: I I also think that there's this weird thing where 188 00:11:12,760 --> 00:11:16,800 Speaker 1: you just don't really think about the fact that you 189 00:11:16,920 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 1: might have one or two encounters where it's upsetting you 190 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:25,000 Speaker 1: feel scared, and then like the vast majority of people 191 00:11:25,040 --> 00:11:27,800 Speaker 1: who are unhoused are just trying to stay the funk 192 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:32,160 Speaker 1: out of your way, right and like there you're not 193 00:11:32,200 --> 00:11:34,080 Speaker 1: going to see them, you're not going to talk to 194 00:11:34,120 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: them unless you go out of your way to talk 195 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:40,520 Speaker 1: to them and reach out, and like they're probably scared 196 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: of you because they don't know who you are, Like 197 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:44,960 Speaker 1: you're a stranger. You might be one of those assholes 198 00:11:44,960 --> 00:11:49,160 Speaker 1: on Kawasaki's like out to to shoot you, out to 199 00:11:49,160 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 1: shoot them, and like it's it's really frustrating, like it's halfway. 200 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. Some some of the people who buy 201 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: into this kind of discourse are just outright terrible human beings, right, Yeah, 202 00:12:02,400 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: they're just they're just fashions, they're just they're just fast. 203 00:12:04,840 --> 00:12:08,680 Speaker 1: This is useful. But then there's like it's really frustrating 204 00:12:08,720 --> 00:12:10,920 Speaker 1: how many people in the city right now are just 205 00:12:11,040 --> 00:12:14,800 Speaker 1: useful idiots for the fascists have just like gone down 206 00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,319 Speaker 1: that gone down that rabbit hole and aren't thinking past 207 00:12:19,400 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: like what it means to quote unquote take care of 208 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: the homeless problem, Like what do you what do you 209 00:12:26,040 --> 00:12:29,600 Speaker 1: want to do here? What do you actually want to do? 210 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,000 Speaker 1: Where are these people going to go? Like what's going 211 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: to happen to them? And it's it's super frustrating. We're 212 00:12:48,240 --> 00:12:50,839 Speaker 1: focusing on Portland because it's where we live, but all 213 00:12:50,880 --> 00:12:53,200 Speaker 1: of these things are evidence of like broader trends. You 214 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,160 Speaker 1: can see a lot of the same tactics being used 215 00:12:55,160 --> 00:13:00,080 Speaker 1: in Los Angeles and Austin um in Minneapolis. And one 216 00:13:00,120 --> 00:13:03,079 Speaker 1: of the things is kind of this conflation of like disorder, 217 00:13:03,920 --> 00:13:09,319 Speaker 1: drug use, homelessness with like deadly violence and a number 218 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: of things, like we've talked about kind of jailing and 219 00:13:12,800 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 1: putting into camps the homeless is is one thing people 220 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: suggest There's also a lot of like suggestions around massively 221 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:23,280 Speaker 1: increasing the number of police. And this all also goes 222 00:13:23,360 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: into you know, you've got this kind of series of 223 00:13:26,760 --> 00:13:31,840 Speaker 1: of right wing uh cups against elected leaders who have 224 00:13:31,920 --> 00:13:34,400 Speaker 1: any kind of other suggestions. We saw this in San 225 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:37,600 Speaker 1: Francisco with the DHS abode and the police like just 226 00:13:37,679 --> 00:13:41,840 Speaker 1: refusing to enforce like the law when they were when 227 00:13:41,920 --> 00:13:45,280 Speaker 1: CESSA was attempting to carry things out in a different way. 228 00:13:45,320 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 1: And like what we're seeing in Portland right now, We've 229 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:52,679 Speaker 1: got um, a city Commissioner, Joan Hardesty, who uh number 230 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 1: one is the only black woman in the city council. UM, 231 00:13:57,200 --> 00:14:00,319 Speaker 1: the only person on the city council who rents, uh 232 00:14:00,320 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 1: and the only person in the city council who was 233 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:05,080 Speaker 1: in debt and who is endured. And I'm not gonna 234 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: say she's a perfect counselor a perfect politician. There's plenty 235 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: of things to criticize Hardesty over UM, but there has been, 236 00:14:11,920 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 1: like number one, this kind of unhinged campaign of attacking 237 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:16,920 Speaker 1: her because of the fact that, like her financial situation 238 00:14:16,960 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: isn't great, which I see actually as a plus UM, 239 00:14:20,640 --> 00:14:23,120 Speaker 1: because a lot of people in Portland are in rough 240 00:14:23,160 --> 00:14:25,720 Speaker 1: financial condition. Maybe it's nice if they're represented on the 241 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 1: fucking city council. But also she's instituted as people keep 242 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,360 Speaker 1: fetching about, you know, violence and gun violence, which are 243 00:14:33,400 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: problems that have gotten worse in Portland. Although it is 244 00:14:35,640 --> 00:14:37,760 Speaker 1: important to note Portland is one of the safest cities 245 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,400 Speaker 1: in the entire United States, even after the quote unquote 246 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: surge and violent crime. I don't think that mitigates that. 247 00:14:43,200 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: I just think it's important to keep like things in perspective. 248 00:14:46,800 --> 00:14:51,200 Speaker 1: But hardesty has instituted the only effective program that has 249 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 1: reduced gun violence in the city of Portland in the 250 00:14:54,160 --> 00:14:58,720 Speaker 1: recent past, which was essentially a series of traffic calming measures, right, Like, 251 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 1: I think that's probably a fair to say it. It It 252 00:15:00,640 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 1: was sort of altering the way in which um traffic 253 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:06,640 Speaker 1: worked in a neighborhood to kind of try and reduce 254 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:11,200 Speaker 1: some of the situations that were like leading to violence. 255 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:16,440 Speaker 1: And um, she's undergoing this massive attack right now by 256 00:15:18,160 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 1: a candidate, a right wing candidate. I mean, he, like 257 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: everyone who runs importantly, he claims to be a Democrat. Um, 258 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:27,600 Speaker 1: he's donated to Republicans. He is called named Renee Gonzalez, 259 00:15:27,640 --> 00:15:29,840 Speaker 1: who's being backed by a lot of the same business 260 00:15:29,880 --> 00:15:32,680 Speaker 1: interests that are pushing this anti homeless agenda, pushing the 261 00:15:32,680 --> 00:15:37,480 Speaker 1: mayor's proposal to put homeless people in encampments. And UM, 262 00:15:38,640 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: I don't know, it's just I feel like I can 263 00:15:41,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: see it all coming together, and that I hate how 264 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 1: many people are, as you said, kind of useful idiots 265 00:15:47,240 --> 00:15:50,280 Speaker 1: about it, where they're like, you know, look it, clearly 266 00:15:50,360 --> 00:15:53,160 Speaker 1: these people who are talking about rehabilitation or who are 267 00:15:53,160 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: trying to, like, actually, who are not suggesting a car 268 00:15:56,480 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 1: serrale solution to the fact that it's unpleasant to see 269 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,680 Speaker 1: people suffering on the street. Um are wrong because look 270 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:06,600 Speaker 1: at what the news tells me about how much worse 271 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 1: violence has gotten and stuff like, I it's very frustrating. 272 00:16:11,920 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: Don't vote for reagans hoas but yeah, please please don't 273 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:17,960 Speaker 1: vote for a man who donated to a Republican pack 274 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: six months after January six Let's please please, let's not 275 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:29,600 Speaker 1: do that. But god, it's it's I think, like really 276 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,680 Speaker 1: sad that. I mean, like people I think really just 277 00:16:33,760 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: don't want to think about how damaged all of society 278 00:16:37,640 --> 00:16:40,440 Speaker 1: is right now. Yeah, Like wait, like we lived through 279 00:16:41,280 --> 00:16:48,240 Speaker 1: you know, currently had one of the worst responses to COVID. Uh. 280 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:53,240 Speaker 1: Millions of people are dead. Um, our mental health is 281 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:57,160 Speaker 1: fucking shot through. Uh, even people who didn't experience sort 282 00:16:57,200 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 1: of federal jack boots on the ground. Um, we're not 283 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 1: well right like it it's any number of housed perfectly 284 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: like financially stable people turned to substance abuse during this period, UM, 285 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:18,440 Speaker 1: and UH are are still you know, recovering. UM. People 286 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:21,959 Speaker 1: who are unhoused also turned to substance abuse if they 287 00:17:22,000 --> 00:17:26,600 Speaker 1: weren't um already there, and their mental health is also 288 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:31,000 Speaker 1: shot there. And uh, sort of the upshot of this 289 00:17:31,119 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 1: is everyone is fucking sick and taking it out on 290 00:17:34,240 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 1: each other and it really sucks to see. It really 291 00:17:41,720 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: sucks to see people be their worst selves reasingly and increasingly. Yeah, 292 00:17:47,240 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: and I first off, I want to try to provide 293 00:17:49,480 --> 00:17:51,520 Speaker 1: people with some objective numbers. And this is just on 294 00:17:51,560 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 1: the city of Portland. So Portland number one never defunded 295 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:56,920 Speaker 1: its police. There are police currently get the most money 296 00:17:56,960 --> 00:17:59,920 Speaker 1: they've ever gotten. Um. But we do have one thing 297 00:18:00,000 --> 00:18:02,639 Speaker 1: it is accurate to say is we have fewer police 298 00:18:02,680 --> 00:18:05,160 Speaker 1: per capita than any major city in the United States, 299 00:18:05,480 --> 00:18:07,639 Speaker 1: and we have the fewest number of police on the 300 00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: force in living memory. I'm fairly certain right now there's 301 00:18:11,520 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 1: like seven hundred Portland police officers, which is significantly down 302 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 1: from because it's not a pleasant job, because people hate 303 00:18:19,400 --> 00:18:21,359 Speaker 1: the cops here in Portland, so they keep quitting and 304 00:18:21,400 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 1: moving to other cities. Um. And it is true that 305 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:28,560 Speaker 1: when the pandemic hit, violent crime in Portland raised by 306 00:18:28,600 --> 00:18:32,960 Speaker 1: about two hundred and seven percent from January nine through June, 307 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,520 Speaker 1: which is the largest increase compared to five comparable cities. 308 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: This is from an article in the Oregon Capital Chronicle, Minneapolis, Atlanta, 309 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: San Francisco, Denver, and Nashville. UM. However, it's also worth 310 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 1: noting that over the course of the last year, we're 311 00:18:49,040 --> 00:18:53,360 Speaker 1: at seven a fewer homicides than we were the year before. UM. Overall, 312 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 1: the number of homicides in two has fallen two percent 313 00:18:57,040 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 1: from one, even as we continue to have fewer and 314 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:03,680 Speaker 1: fewer police, almost as if the Surgeon violent crime was 315 00:19:03,720 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: not a result in policing, but as you said, the 316 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,440 Speaker 1: result of a lot of other factors around the pandemic 317 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:13,720 Speaker 1: and around the economic situation, and like the rate of 318 00:19:13,840 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 1: violence has been continuing to decrease. It's also worth noting 319 00:19:17,480 --> 00:19:20,960 Speaker 1: that while we're talking about homicides here and Portland did 320 00:19:21,040 --> 00:19:24,399 Speaker 1: see a surgeon homicides during the pandemic, that's not the 321 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: only kind of crime or the only kind of violent crime. UM. 322 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:30,639 Speaker 1: And I want to quote here from Travel Oregon. In 323 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:34,160 Speaker 1: February one, the Major Cities Chiefs Association issue to report 324 00:19:34,200 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: noting that sixty three of sixty six major cities saw 325 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:40,040 Speaker 1: at least one violent crime category grow in Among cities 326 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 1: of comparable size, Portland generally experiences violent crime at somewhat 327 00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:47,199 Speaker 1: lower rates. Like the A lot of this is media driven, 328 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 1: and it's specifically the thing that you highlighted in the 329 00:19:49,480 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 1: post that that made me reach out to you was 330 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: was talking about how particularly white suburbanite homeowners are driving 331 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:00,639 Speaker 1: this panic and are driving these kind of surge and 332 00:20:00,720 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 1: very like fascist solutions to the fears that they have 333 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,600 Speaker 1: about homelessness and about crime. And one of the reasons 334 00:20:08,640 --> 00:20:10,800 Speaker 1: why this ship works is is people don't go into 335 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 1: the city. They live in the suburbs. They see the 336 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:15,760 Speaker 1: scary news. And that's the thing I don't know how 337 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:19,639 Speaker 1: to actually combat because it is a nationwide problem. Shootings 338 00:20:19,680 --> 00:20:23,520 Speaker 1: and deaths due to shootings. They have increased since the pandemic, 339 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,119 Speaker 1: but if you look at them on like a twenty 340 00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:31,840 Speaker 1: year graph, fairly flat nationwide. Um, but what has got right, 341 00:20:31,840 --> 00:20:35,200 Speaker 1: like nobody statistics of gun crimes like what in like 342 00:20:35,240 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: the last couple of years, And then now they're saying 343 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:42,440 Speaker 1: that gun violence has increased, like it's it's yeah, yeah, anyway, 344 00:20:43,400 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: what had What we know what has increased vastly more 345 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,440 Speaker 1: than gun crime is reporting on gun crime, which has surged. 346 00:20:49,560 --> 00:20:52,240 Speaker 1: It like and and that's because you know, if it bleeds, 347 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:53,959 Speaker 1: it leads in whatever. But it is this thing of 348 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: like that's the stuff that gets people to pay attention, 349 00:20:56,920 --> 00:20:59,399 Speaker 1: and it's the stuff that spreads on social media, just 350 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: like pictures of like poop on the streets of San 351 00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:04,920 Speaker 1: Francisco can spread on social media, and it it all 352 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:08,600 Speaker 1: exists to keep these kind of suburban voters at a 353 00:21:08,640 --> 00:21:12,080 Speaker 1: constant state of agitation, which makes them easy to manipulate. 354 00:21:12,119 --> 00:21:15,719 Speaker 1: And like that's the thing that scares me the most. Yeah, 355 00:21:15,800 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: I mean things are almost shittier with Portland because well, like, okay, 356 00:21:20,520 --> 00:21:23,000 Speaker 1: the same Nisco poop situation, So how you live in 357 00:21:23,040 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: the Bay area, that was a real situation. Francis is 358 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 1: just human there's just human ship everywhere. Um, it's you know, 359 00:21:31,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: you you live with it. It's it just is what 360 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:36,000 Speaker 1: it is. And you know someone's from New York when 361 00:21:36,000 --> 00:21:38,800 Speaker 1: they start complaining about it, right, like, it's uh and 362 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: it I think New York which smells like p everywhere, 363 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: but I mean it's it's most like hot garbage because 364 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,359 Speaker 1: they don't they don't take their garbage. They like just 365 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,320 Speaker 1: put their garbage out on the curb. And when it's summertime. 366 00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:56,600 Speaker 1: It just smells fucking terrible. Um But uh so everyone's 367 00:21:56,600 --> 00:22:00,840 Speaker 1: got their problems, but it's it's this weird thing we're 368 00:22:00,920 --> 00:22:03,360 Speaker 1: just because of the way that we're drawn up geographically. 369 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,920 Speaker 1: We've got all of these people like like you said, 370 00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:09,480 Speaker 1: like out in the burbs who vote, who have control 371 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:13,240 Speaker 1: over the way the wind blows, who just never come 372 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:17,040 Speaker 1: out here. Ever in this they never come out here, 373 00:22:17,680 --> 00:22:22,760 Speaker 1: and uh in San Francisco, Like yeah, they've got outlying 374 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: areas as well, But it's it's not drawn up exactly 375 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:30,359 Speaker 1: the way that we are quite right, Like like the 376 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,640 Speaker 1: people who are going to be the most alarmist about 377 00:22:32,640 --> 00:22:36,399 Speaker 1: San Francisco are like not going to be in the 378 00:22:36,520 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: area where they're voting about the things that happened to 379 00:22:40,040 --> 00:22:42,880 Speaker 1: San Francisco, the way the Chasis stuff went down, Like 380 00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:48,720 Speaker 1: I mean, that's complicated, right, Like I mean it was 381 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:52,639 Speaker 1: it was a witch hunt and it made me really 382 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:58,000 Speaker 1: in Srancis and made me really want to never move back. 383 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:03,520 Speaker 1: But it it was like we've we've just got a 384 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,800 Speaker 1: different sort of set up here where the people who 385 00:23:07,080 --> 00:23:10,560 Speaker 1: are the most upset about all of the crime in Portland, 386 00:23:10,800 --> 00:23:14,000 Speaker 1: like they don't come out to where they think the 387 00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,440 Speaker 1: crime is happening at all, Like they like they just 388 00:23:17,720 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 1: don't really interact with the city. They're off somewhere else, 389 00:23:21,520 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: and it's it is truly strange, really annoying. Uh yeah, 390 00:23:29,160 --> 00:23:31,399 Speaker 1: and it is this is like, I don't know, this 391 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: is part of why, this is part of why politically 392 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: I tend to align myself with like libertarian municipalism. Um. 393 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:41,640 Speaker 1: I think one of the problems we have is that 394 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: places that have very little to do with each other 395 00:23:46,119 --> 00:23:49,520 Speaker 1: get to pass laws that impact how people live in 396 00:23:49,560 --> 00:23:53,680 Speaker 1: those those places, Like which is a problem, um as 397 00:23:53,680 --> 00:23:56,360 Speaker 1: we all just got overseeing with fucking Donald Trump, right, 398 00:23:56,359 --> 00:23:58,399 Speaker 1: Like that's a that's a version of the problem in 399 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:00,359 Speaker 1: a version of another version of the problem is that 400 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 1: like people in Los Angeles can pass a gas tax 401 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:06,240 Speaker 1: that makes total sense for cities in California, but fox 402 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,520 Speaker 1: Over people who live in the middle of nowhere. Um, 403 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 1: and all of these things are like, I don't know, 404 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:19,000 Speaker 1: it's the you get the it's two simultaneous issues. Like 405 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:22,440 Speaker 1: one of them is you've got these liberals in Portland, 406 00:24:22,520 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: who the rest of the state resents for dominating politics 407 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:30,600 Speaker 1: in the entire state, even in areas that are very 408 00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:33,719 Speaker 1: little to do with like western Oregon. And then you 409 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:37,280 Speaker 1: have these these outlying like you have these folks who 410 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:39,879 Speaker 1: don't live in Portland who you know, are pushing for 411 00:24:40,000 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: like you know, who are responsible with the fact that 412 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: we might get a Republican governor in the state right, 413 00:24:45,440 --> 00:24:48,440 Speaker 1: who are reacting to like what they hear about Portland 414 00:24:48,520 --> 00:24:51,399 Speaker 1: even though it's not accurate. And I don't know, I 415 00:24:51,400 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: I this is we're getting past like what people can 416 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:56,840 Speaker 1: do in terms of like voting on local elections. But 417 00:24:57,280 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 1: I wish we had a system in which, like folks 418 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:03,040 Speaker 1: weren't constantly pitted against each other in this way, because 419 00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:06,359 Speaker 1: I don't think it's very productive. Well, we're chopped up 420 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:10,840 Speaker 1: in a really by the way I vote to Charter reform, etcetera. 421 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: If you're living in Portland. Uh, like we've we've got 422 00:25:14,440 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: some some other other things going on with our our 423 00:25:18,320 --> 00:25:24,960 Speaker 1: city government that makes things additionally weird and um suboptimal. 424 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:37,520 Speaker 1: There's a bunch of things that I'm kind of dreading 425 00:25:37,640 --> 00:25:41,000 Speaker 1: in the near future or from the midterm elections, including 426 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,879 Speaker 1: you know Renee Gonzalez. Um. You know, I I have 427 00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:47,919 Speaker 1: strong feelings on the proposed gun control measure but um, 428 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:52,000 Speaker 1: I'm broadly optimistic about charter reform. That actually seems like 429 00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:55,480 Speaker 1: something good that we're likely to do. Yeah. Um yeah, 430 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:57,640 Speaker 1: let's talk about that a little bit, because Portland would 431 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 1: be the first city in the United States to reform 432 00:26:01,440 --> 00:26:04,040 Speaker 1: its city council along these lines, if I'm not mistaken, 433 00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:08,719 Speaker 1: Along which lines like the way the chry to reform 434 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:12,520 Speaker 1: is like set up. Um. So basically Portland's currently has 435 00:26:12,560 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: a commission form of government in which we have a 436 00:26:15,359 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: very powerful mayor and for city council people who are 437 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:25,320 Speaker 1: handed portfolios by the mayor and they basically run the 438 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: city government. Um. Which is it's a pretty dysfunctional system. Um. 439 00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:34,560 Speaker 1: It leads to a a small number of people running 440 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: very large bureaucracies that they usually don't know how to handle, 441 00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,359 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons why the city is 442 00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:42,920 Speaker 1: so dysfunctional. In addition to the fact that our Mayor 443 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:48,600 Speaker 1: Ted Wheeler is uh politely speaking dogshit. Under the new 444 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:51,520 Speaker 1: form of government that's that's being voted on right now, 445 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: the Charter, the commission structure will be jettisoned. City council 446 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,240 Speaker 1: members will not directly manage bureaus. Instead, they'll pass laws 447 00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,960 Speaker 1: and meet with constituents. The mayor will no longer be 448 00:27:03,040 --> 00:27:06,520 Speaker 1: part of the city council. Instead, he'll lead the executive branch. 449 00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,639 Speaker 1: I'm not wild about the amount of power that the 450 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:14,159 Speaker 1: mayor will still have, UM, but I think broadly speaking, uh, 451 00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: it's it's a much better system and there will be 452 00:27:17,000 --> 00:27:21,040 Speaker 1: like a larger group of people involved in actually like 453 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 1: managing the city's affairs. UM. I don't know what we 454 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:32,480 Speaker 1: have currently certainly is not particularly effective. Um. And I 455 00:27:32,520 --> 00:27:38,160 Speaker 1: would like to see a more democratic system put into place. Yeah, 456 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:43,520 Speaker 1: and like obscenely outdated, right, it's like, Yeah, I don't 457 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:48,000 Speaker 1: know who else does things like Portland currently does. But 458 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: the charter reform is greatly needed. Yeah, and it's going 459 00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: to bring in rank choice voting as well when on yeah, 460 00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 1: on their on their like city like which is uh. 461 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 1: Like one of the issues that we've had here is 462 00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: that like that we're having right now with like the 463 00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: gubernatorial race is that, Um, you've got three candidates running, 464 00:28:10,320 --> 00:28:12,879 Speaker 1: one of whom is kind of positioning themselves as an 465 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 1: independent Betsey Johnson, who does not really have a chance 466 00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,440 Speaker 1: to win um and seems to be being funded by 467 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,040 Speaker 1: people like the Nike guy in order to take voids 468 00:28:22,040 --> 00:28:25,640 Speaker 1: away from Tina co Tech who's the Democratic candidate, so 469 00:28:25,720 --> 00:28:29,880 Speaker 1: that Christine Drayson, who's the Republican candidate, will be more 470 00:28:29,920 --> 00:28:32,440 Speaker 1: likely to win. I don't know, Like, um, I still 471 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:35,040 Speaker 1: don't know how much I believe Drayson actually has a shot. 472 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:39,040 Speaker 1: But the polls show them neck and neck, so are 473 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: pretty terrifying. Um, yeah, we're we're kind of like covering 474 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: on the cusp of of the governor seat going red 475 00:28:47,280 --> 00:28:56,800 Speaker 1: to Yeah, it's yeah, I don't know. Um, yeah, that's 476 00:28:56,840 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: the election that scares me. Like I really I really 477 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 1: don't want to see Renee Gonzala's win. But the if 478 00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:09,040 Speaker 1: Charter reform passes, like the the harm that he can 479 00:29:09,080 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: inflict on the city becomes limited, just because right now, 480 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,680 Speaker 1: city council seats just have outsized power in a very 481 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: dysfunctional way. And uh, it's and that that changes with 482 00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:27,320 Speaker 1: Charter reform, like we just get a little bit more 483 00:29:27,320 --> 00:29:32,520 Speaker 1: of a normal city. Um. And uh but the state, 484 00:29:32,720 --> 00:29:39,280 Speaker 1: the state election though, that is that's pretty scary stuff. Yeah, 485 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: the state, especially since if the Democrats stay in power 486 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:47,280 Speaker 1: at the state level, then there's a good chance that 487 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: I mean as far as like what people are talking 488 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:53,840 Speaker 1: about then we're going to actually see like Portland's become 489 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: or Oregon become a sanctuary for reproductive health. Right, Like, 490 00:29:58,200 --> 00:29:59,960 Speaker 1: that's one of the things that's that's on the ballot 491 00:30:00,000 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: it um, So if you uh, like, if you care 492 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: about that, that's kind of the whole game, right Like, 493 00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 1: regardless of the fact that co Tech has a history 494 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:16,120 Speaker 1: with our current governor that's not entirely positive. Our current 495 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 1: Democratic governor has been a ship governor and handled the 496 00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 1: pandemic terribly. Like, at the end of the day, it's 497 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:25,640 Speaker 1: it kind of has to be all about um uh, 498 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: all about reproductive health, right because like the Republicans would 499 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,760 Speaker 1: not have handled the pandemic any better, um, but they 500 00:30:34,800 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: will also support a crackdown against people having access to abortion. 501 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,480 Speaker 1: We also have the craziest Republicans out here like it, 502 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:46,920 Speaker 1: And I mean part of that is the areas are 503 00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:49,400 Speaker 1: representing or whatever, but part of it is also just 504 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,160 Speaker 1: we've been under Democratic control for so long that like 505 00:30:52,200 --> 00:30:55,880 Speaker 1: the minority party gets weirder and weirder and weirder. Like 506 00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 1: we've got we've got the guys who like what ran 507 00:30:58,320 --> 00:31:00,640 Speaker 1: away from the legislative session rather then vote on a 508 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: climate change bill. Alright, like it's it's not it's not good. 509 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: It's really bad. Like handing ending them the keys of 510 00:31:07,720 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: the kingdom is a terrible move. Yeah. I don't know 511 00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,800 Speaker 1: what else to say. Uh, you get anything else to say? 512 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: As we as we head into the midterm elections here 513 00:31:18,800 --> 00:31:21,320 Speaker 1: in Oregon, I felt like, I don't know, this is 514 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,840 Speaker 1: broadly speaking, I really want to hear about your your 515 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:30,840 Speaker 1: your feelings on that gun control measure. Yeah. So we've 516 00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,000 Speaker 1: got Measure one fourteen coming up, which is um gun control. 517 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 1: So for people who don't know, and this may surprise folks, 518 00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,000 Speaker 1: even how blue it is, Oregon basically does not have 519 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: any kind of like gun control laws. Um. This is 520 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,360 Speaker 1: a this is a state in which any kind of 521 00:31:46,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: gun that's legal to own in the United States and 522 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:51,240 Speaker 1: any kind of magazine you can own in the state 523 00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:54,360 Speaker 1: of Oregon. Um. We are a shall issue state, which 524 00:31:54,400 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 1: means if you are a law abiding citizen and you 525 00:31:57,560 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 1: apply for concealed carry permit, they have to give it 526 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: to you. Um. Gun owners have quite a few protections 527 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:06,960 Speaker 1: at present. Uh. The first major there was a gun 528 00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: control law passed in most reasonable gun owners had no 529 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,400 Speaker 1: issue with it because all it did was say you 530 00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 1: have to get a background check to you. So there's 531 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,000 Speaker 1: this thing called face to face sales, whereby in a 532 00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,240 Speaker 1: lot of states like Texas, you can just hand somebody 533 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,080 Speaker 1: a gun for cash as long as you're not a 534 00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:26,920 Speaker 1: professional gun dealer. That's that's legal, and that's that's bad. Generally. 535 00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:28,640 Speaker 1: It's how a lot of guns get across the border. 536 00:32:29,080 --> 00:32:31,680 Speaker 1: That was removed as a legal possibility in Oregon back 537 00:32:31,680 --> 00:32:33,720 Speaker 1: in But other than that, we haven't had a whole 538 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 1: lot of gun control UM. In the wake of the 539 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: Vivaldi shooting. A an organization I think Lift Every Voice 540 00:32:40,640 --> 00:32:42,800 Speaker 1: is what they're called, led by some church leaders, pushed 541 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:46,280 Speaker 1: for what a ballot measure. So this is not something 542 00:32:46,360 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 1: where and I do think this is interesting, there is 543 00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: not a situation where Democratic politicians in the state of 544 00:32:51,720 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 1: Oregon are trying to pass gun control. This is a 545 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,280 Speaker 1: situation in which a ballot measure was proposed and enough 546 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:02,840 Speaker 1: people voted that the entire state is voting on whether 547 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,640 Speaker 1: or not h to have gun control UM, which, regardless 548 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 1: of my opinions on the measure itself, I think is 549 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 1: a better way for stuff like this to work than 550 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:14,280 Speaker 1: a bunch of legislators just like making a law. But anyway, 551 00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,480 Speaker 1: the measure itself is, in my opinion, deeply flawed in 552 00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,120 Speaker 1: the way that it's written. It does a couple of things. 553 00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 1: For one thing, it requires that every person who buy 554 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: a gun pass a background check, which is already the 555 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,720 Speaker 1: law that's in the bill, and it shouldn't be because 556 00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: it's already the law. I think. One of the things 557 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: that reasons I think that's dishonest is because it always 558 00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: gets summarized and like, this is what the bill will do. 559 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:36,840 Speaker 1: It will require that everybody pass a background ship. Well, 560 00:33:36,840 --> 00:33:39,320 Speaker 1: they're all They're already required. It does not actually do 561 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:45,600 Speaker 1: anything there. Um. It adds in a magazine capacity restrictions, 562 00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: and you won't be able to buy or take out 563 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:51,040 Speaker 1: in public magazines that have a higher capacity than ten rounds. 564 00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:52,840 Speaker 1: We can talk about that in a second. And then 565 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,400 Speaker 1: the primary thing it does is it requires people pass 566 00:33:56,440 --> 00:33:59,880 Speaker 1: a series of tests in order to purchase firearms, and 567 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:03,360 Speaker 1: the people who will be a ministering those tests and 568 00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 1: running the whole program are the police. So the police 569 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:12,799 Speaker 1: essentially get control over who gets to own firearms. UM. 570 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: I do consider that that is particularly the thing that 571 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,480 Speaker 1: I find problematic. Um. For one, thing. Regardless of your 572 00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:23,120 Speaker 1: opinions on gun control. The right to bear arms is 573 00:34:23,320 --> 00:34:26,200 Speaker 1: similar to the right to freedom of speech and guaranteed 574 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:27,840 Speaker 1: in the same way, and so the fact that the 575 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,840 Speaker 1: police are being made the arbiters of who gets to 576 00:34:29,880 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: exercise that right is deeply problematic to me. UM. I 577 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: think given what we know about how often police in 578 00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:40,520 Speaker 1: Oregon work with far right groups, work with organizations like 579 00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:44,160 Speaker 1: the Proud Boys, UM, it is very likely that we 580 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:51,040 Speaker 1: will see uneven enforcement and uneven um. Uh like the 581 00:34:51,160 --> 00:34:54,800 Speaker 1: police granting the ability to bear arms very unevenly, which 582 00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:58,279 Speaker 1: concerns me greatly. We had a mass shooting earlier this 583 00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,520 Speaker 1: year at a protest in cha right winger killed a woman, UH, 584 00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:05,600 Speaker 1: sixty one year old woman and injured five other people. 585 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:08,600 Speaker 1: That person was stopped by a left wing demonstrator with 586 00:35:08,640 --> 00:35:11,360 Speaker 1: an a R fifteen style rifle. UM. What was actually 587 00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: technically a handgun, but that's anyway whatever, it was an 588 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,439 Speaker 1: a R fifteen style weapon. UM. I'm concerned that under 589 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:20,719 Speaker 1: this new law, the right winger would have still had 590 00:35:20,760 --> 00:35:23,160 Speaker 1: the ability to acquire firearms, but the person who stopped 591 00:35:23,160 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: and would not. UM. So that's why I have an 592 00:35:26,600 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 1: issue with it. I also think if you're going to 593 00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:33,759 Speaker 1: I'm not. I don't personally advocate magazine capacity restrictions, but 594 00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 1: also I don't speak out against them. Washington recently passed 595 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:42,279 Speaker 1: a law restricting magazine capacity. I didn't say anything about that. 596 00:35:42,400 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: I think maybe I I think if it like, if 597 00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: it works, I will be happy. Um. I think the 598 00:35:48,480 --> 00:35:50,960 Speaker 1: way the Washington law was written was a lot more 599 00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,759 Speaker 1: sensible than the Oregon law because it was written in 600 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,319 Speaker 1: such a way that it stops the additional sale of 601 00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,759 Speaker 1: expand of standard capacity magazines of thirty on magazines and 602 00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:05,120 Speaker 1: higher without giving the police an opportunity to harass and 603 00:36:05,200 --> 00:36:08,359 Speaker 1: arrest people over what they own, um, which I think 604 00:36:08,440 --> 00:36:11,360 Speaker 1: is important. The way the law is written, if you had, 605 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:14,040 Speaker 1: like whatever you had prior to the band taking effect, 606 00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,320 Speaker 1: you can keep and continue to use as normal. Um, 607 00:36:18,360 --> 00:36:20,120 Speaker 1: just no more it can be sold. And so the 608 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:22,040 Speaker 1: thing that the thing you're trying to stop with a 609 00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 1: magazine capacity band at this point is someone doing what 610 00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:26,880 Speaker 1: the Vivaldi shooter did, right, where a kid goes out 611 00:36:26,920 --> 00:36:28,759 Speaker 1: and buys a weapon and a bunch of thirty round 612 00:36:28,840 --> 00:36:31,400 Speaker 1: magazines and then goes on a mass shooting. Right, you 613 00:36:31,440 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 1: want them to not be able to go and immediately 614 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: acquire those magazines. Um it is. I think by making 615 00:36:38,080 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: it illegal to take them out in the world if 616 00:36:40,120 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: you already own them, what you're doing is giving police 617 00:36:43,120 --> 00:36:47,160 Speaker 1: pretext to stop and search people, um to like search 618 00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,200 Speaker 1: people going out and shooting in the woods like folks 619 00:36:50,200 --> 00:36:54,040 Speaker 1: do in Oregon, um, without having an impact on mass 620 00:36:54,040 --> 00:36:57,040 Speaker 1: shooters because they're not going to care about violating that 621 00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,319 Speaker 1: particular law. If you want to stop more of those 622 00:36:59,320 --> 00:37:01,759 Speaker 1: things from being old, I think a law written the 623 00:37:01,760 --> 00:37:05,400 Speaker 1: way the Washington law is written does the maximum in 624 00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:07,879 Speaker 1: order to restrict people from purchasing the thing you don't 625 00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: want them to purchase, without giving police the ability to 626 00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:16,319 Speaker 1: like harass and arrest people. Um. Anyway, That's that's my 627 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:21,799 Speaker 1: thinking of one fourteen. Yeah. Yeah, I think that's that's 628 00:37:21,840 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: like an important as an important series of distinctions to 629 00:37:25,880 --> 00:37:29,920 Speaker 1: get out there. Yeah, um anyway, I I I voted 630 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:33,840 Speaker 1: against it. I try, really, I actually do try, despite 631 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: my opinions not to talk about gun control too much 632 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:39,400 Speaker 1: on this show. But like that's my my thinking on 633 00:37:39,440 --> 00:37:41,840 Speaker 1: the matter. Folks can do whatever they want. Will know 634 00:37:41,920 --> 00:37:46,520 Speaker 1: when on January or November eight how they voted. Yeah, 635 00:37:46,560 --> 00:37:51,279 Speaker 1: I mean like, it's hardly the most disturbing things on 636 00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 1: the balet right now. Yeah, no, no, no, And I 637 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:59,640 Speaker 1: am like like I there's there's so much going on 638 00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,480 Speaker 1: right now, and it's one of those things. I guess 639 00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:05,640 Speaker 1: we'll all learn in the near future, Like we're gonna 640 00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:09,480 Speaker 1: learn a lot from this election in Oregon, Like if 641 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,799 Speaker 1: Hardesty stays on, if we get charter reform, and if 642 00:38:12,800 --> 00:38:16,400 Speaker 1: co Tech wins, then kind of regardless of what happens 643 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: with one fourteen, I will be broadly optimistic heading into 644 00:38:20,320 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 1: because it will show that the campaign of fear didn't 645 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:30,240 Speaker 1: work entirely. Yeah. Um, and if Gonzales and and drays 646 00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:33,120 Speaker 1: and win and Chatter Reform gets defeated, I will be 647 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:38,560 Speaker 1: really pessimistic heading in. Yeah. Yeah, if if drays and wins, 648 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 1: like that's yeah, it's ah yeah, it's it's bad. It's 649 00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:52,120 Speaker 1: really bad. It's bad news for a lot of fucking reasons. 650 00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:57,879 Speaker 1: Um yeah, I mean row, that's huge. Um yeah, but yeah, 651 00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:02,399 Speaker 1: like it's the sky is the limit for a state 652 00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 1: that has been under democratic control for this long, right, 653 00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:10,120 Speaker 1: Like it's it's they've just gotten so complacent, is all 654 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,080 Speaker 1: I can think. Um. Oh, I mean the spoiler candidate. 655 00:39:13,080 --> 00:39:19,120 Speaker 1: Obviously that that did change a lot. Um, but it's 656 00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:27,080 Speaker 1: the complacency was is alarming. Yeah, um, well, is there 657 00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:32,560 Speaker 1: anything else you wanted to say about what we're heading into? Well, 658 00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: I mean, don't let your fear control you. Um, don't 659 00:39:37,760 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 1: be a useful idiot for Nazis, and uh, don't put 660 00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:48,800 Speaker 1: people into camps. I guess yeah, that's that's my thinking. 661 00:39:48,840 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: Don't like, if somebody is trying to make you scared 662 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:55,800 Speaker 1: about a group of people who are the most powerless 663 00:39:55,840 --> 00:39:59,640 Speaker 1: people in your community, you might want to assume that 664 00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: the per in doing that as trying to take advantage 665 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,600 Speaker 1: of you. Um, that's that's That's kind of where I 666 00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,919 Speaker 1: land on this sort of stuff. Um, yeah, don't put 667 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:12,719 Speaker 1: people into camps. We really shouldn't have to say that anymore, 668 00:40:13,160 --> 00:40:15,719 Speaker 1: but yeah, we should have to tell people to not 669 00:40:15,800 --> 00:40:19,040 Speaker 1: be Patrick Bateman from fucking American right, Like it's like 670 00:40:19,080 --> 00:40:23,200 Speaker 1: we should people should like but no, it's yeah, we've 671 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:25,920 Speaker 1: we should not be regressing this hard in terms of 672 00:40:26,880 --> 00:40:30,200 Speaker 1: our moral compasses. But that's where we are. That's where 673 00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:32,759 Speaker 1: we are. Well, do you want to plug your plug 674 00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:37,799 Speaker 1: double Sarah? Yeah? So, uh, Rebert mentioned that I just 675 00:40:38,160 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: put out a big feature about the Portland van abductions 676 00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:46,160 Speaker 1: published on the Verge. Um. It's part of a longer series, 677 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,239 Speaker 1: uh that we did this year about the Department of 678 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,360 Speaker 1: Homeland Security, which is twenty years old this year. UM, 679 00:40:53,400 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: so we did a bunch of features, some about Puerto 680 00:40:56,040 --> 00:41:01,440 Speaker 1: Rico and FEMA, UH, some about Essay. Of course I 681 00:41:01,520 --> 00:41:03,680 Speaker 1: did a short little thing about how Chad Wolfe was 682 00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:07,880 Speaker 1: illegally ahead of the DHS for a hot minute. Um. 683 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:11,000 Speaker 1: And so there's some fun stuff in there. Um. We've 684 00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:12,920 Speaker 1: still got another feature that will go up by the 685 00:41:12,960 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: end of this year. I think your your listeners would 686 00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,719 Speaker 1: enjoy going through some of those excellent all right, Well, 687 00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,279 Speaker 1: that has been the episode. This has been It could 688 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:32,560 Speaker 1: happen here, um by it could happen here as a 689 00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:35,439 Speaker 1: production of cool Zone Media. Well more podcasts from cool 690 00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:38,200 Speaker 1: Zone Media. Visit our website cool zone media dot com, 691 00:41:38,320 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: or check us out on the I Heart Radio app, 692 00:41:40,080 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts. You can 693 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 1: find sources for It could Happen Here, updated monthly at 694 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,440 Speaker 1: cool zone Media dot com slash sources. Thanks for listening.