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Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha.

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Speaker 2: I want my stuff. I never told you affective, iHeartRadio,

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Speaker 2: and today we have a spoiled Saturday for you. Very

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Speaker 2: recent movie came out in twenty twenty five, so yes,

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Speaker 2: spoilers perhaps goes without say, but yeah, this was a

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Speaker 2: movie I discovered and I just loved, and I immediately

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Speaker 2: was like, I really want to talk about this. It's

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Speaker 2: technically more of a summer horror movie, but it does

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Speaker 2: involve sharks eating people, and this is the season of

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Speaker 2: eating so.

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Speaker 1: Live in Australia, so maybe that's true. You know, the

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Speaker 1: weather's different. Did you discover this movie? Because this was

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Speaker 1: not on my radar at all? And when you were

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Speaker 1: even telling me the title, I thought you were just

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Speaker 1: describing it like that. Was that confused about it?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so the movie's called Dangerous Animals. I think because

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Speaker 2: I love horror movies so much, I get legit notifications

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Speaker 2: it'll be something I've never heard of, like hardly anyone's

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Speaker 2: ever heard of. And I'm pretty sure that's how I

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Speaker 2: found this one. But I heard, I had heard there

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Speaker 2: was a lot of good buzz about it. And people

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Speaker 2: were excited. And what often happens. I have a list

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Speaker 2: on my phone of horror movies I want to watch,

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Speaker 2: but when they're from other countries or smaller, they might

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Speaker 2: not be released, so I can't watch them. So I

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Speaker 2: have a long list of horror movies that I've been

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Speaker 2: waiting to watch, and this one is from Australia and

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Speaker 2: I think i'd like had a notification on this site.

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Speaker 2: I have of like when is this horror movie available?

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Speaker 2: Where can I watch it? And it popped up. So

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Speaker 2: I've been trying to watch this for a long time.

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Speaker 2: Actually ready, I was so ready. I do. I don't

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Speaker 2: know why, but I love shark movies. I have a

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Speaker 2: good friend who also loves shark movies, and we just

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Speaker 2: send like the strangest shark movie we can find, just

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Speaker 2: the cover and the description and no other explanation. That's

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Speaker 2: just our texting relationship. I don't know. I don't know why.

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Speaker 2: I think there's something about the like I did love

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Speaker 2: Jaws as a kid, my d And it's the fiftieth

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Speaker 2: anniversary of Jaws, by the way, And actually said friend

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Speaker 2: also a friend of the show, Lauren is going as

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Speaker 2: Jaws and her kitten, who's named after Bruce, the shark

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Speaker 2: from Jaws, is gonna be have a fin on her back.

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Speaker 2: Very cute, but I guess it kind of reminds me

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Speaker 2: of my weird phase I went through that we talked

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Speaker 2: There's something about like the nature of it.

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Speaker 1: I am petrified of dark waters, so I have a

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Speaker 1: lot of phobias, but this definitely this is up there

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Speaker 1: with the heights and clowns, both of those things. But

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Speaker 1: like seeing those things, I was like, yeah, this is

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Speaker 1: You'll never see me anywhere near this area, because like

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Speaker 1: I went snorkeling, not even like scuba diving, but snorkeling

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Speaker 1: to see how far down or what is down there? Helena, Helena, Yeah.

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Speaker 2: It is scary. I mean I was a weird kid,

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Speaker 2: and I would watch Jaws every summer to kick off

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Speaker 2: But then I used to get the debate with myself,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's true. I don't think I ever

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Speaker 2: fully decided. But there used to be a lot of dolphins.

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Speaker 1: This is it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, it's a huge genre. And that was one

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Speaker 2: of the reasons I wanted to talk about this movie.

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Speaker 2: If I had time, I would do a whole podcast

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Speaker 2: So here we are. Here we are with this movie

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Speaker 1: We've talked about sharks a couple of times, haven't we

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Speaker 2: If you would like to see our past episode we

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Speaker 2: did on shark women in Shark Science, I would recommend it.

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Speaker 2: It does start with discussion of Joss for the Revenge,

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Speaker 1: I will say the ending on this better than The

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Speaker 1: Mummy Too, but still very much cgi.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, well it is. I feel

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Speaker 2: like the Mummy Too had a lot more money than

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Speaker 1: Probably, so Mummy Too is epic and it's oh my god,

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, okay, So we are talking about the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty five survival horror serial killer movie Dangerous Animals, which

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Speaker 2: is written by Nick Laparde and directed by Sean Byrne

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Speaker 2: and stars Hasse Harrison, Jay Courtney, and Josh Houston. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love this movie. I was so excited to talk

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Speaker 2: about it. But if that, if that description is making

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Speaker 2: you scratch your head, let us get into the plot.

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Speaker 2: The movie opens with a pair of tourists in Australia,

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Speaker 2: a man and a woman, Greg and Heather, and they're

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Speaker 1: Creepy man warning them this dude is not good.

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Speaker 2: They're like, I mean, going back to another topic we've

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Speaker 2: I can tell Heather was like, maybe we shouldn't be

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Speaker 1: He kept doing like, why did you talk me into this? Why?

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Speaker 2: They're so happy they did it. But then Tucker stabs

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Speaker 2: Then we go to our lead character, an American woman

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Speaker 2: She does start his battery in more ways than one hah,

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Speaker 2: so he returns to land to get another camera. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: One thing I did appreciate is that they didn't need

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00:25:13,119 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 1: to like violate women, like like sexually violate, which is

433
00:25:16,920 --> 00:25:20,680
Speaker 1: typically always especially in a movie in that tone. Don't

434
00:25:20,680 --> 00:25:23,960
Speaker 1: get me wrong, it's still very bad. It's still very bad,

435
00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:27,480
Speaker 1: but they didn't need like when she was giving the underwire,

436
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:30,159
Speaker 1: she like covered herself and he didn't come, you know

437
00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:32,240
Speaker 1: what I mean. Like, I was kind of surprised the

438
00:25:32,240 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: word that tone took cause I was like, oh god,

439
00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,640
Speaker 1: it's gonna be one more horn piece where they stick

440
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:39,320
Speaker 1: this part in in which every woman in the world

441
00:25:39,440 --> 00:25:42,159
Speaker 1: is like, oh my god, what is It's comfortable and

442
00:25:42,200 --> 00:25:44,879
Speaker 1: it arouses men like it's a very very male perspective,

443
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:48,240
Speaker 1: and they didn't do that. I was like, huh, okay, okay,

444
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:50,000
Speaker 1: and they still told a good horror story.

445
00:25:51,440 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I liked that too. I was worried about oh,

446
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:00,840
Speaker 2: but I like they don't. It doesn't go on that territory.

447
00:26:00,920 --> 00:26:04,080
Speaker 2: It's still it is still very creepy because he's obviously

448
00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:07,000
Speaker 2: getting like when he's making the hook and he's keeping

449
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:10,240
Speaker 2: the hair, like he has these keepsakes. But it doesn't

450
00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: go into that area. And I actually kind of liked that.

451
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,679
Speaker 2: It's such a small thing and it makes me sad.

452
00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,560
Speaker 2: But when she asked for the wire, the underwire, like

453
00:26:19,600 --> 00:26:23,080
Speaker 2: that's such a girl's Nobody really knows about that outside.

454
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: We don't talk about that. So I liked that. But

455
00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:32,240
Speaker 2: I also thought about that. We're going to get more

456
00:26:32,240 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 2: into this in a second. But there's been a long

457
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 2: history of when it comes to not just horror, advertising

458
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: does this all the time, but kind of that consumption

459
00:26:39,840 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 2: of women and shark movies really hit that all the nomes.

460
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: And so that scene where he is watching Heather, he's

461
00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 2: watching the video of Heather just getting torn up and

462
00:26:52,160 --> 00:26:55,880
Speaker 2: eaten heat and he's eating it's a it's a strange

463
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,879
Speaker 2: kind of meta moment. Because you're watching it as the viewer,

464
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: and you know, like I've potentially, if I like these

465
00:27:03,840 --> 00:27:07,120
Speaker 2: horror movies, been in that seat of just enjoying someone

466
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: get torn up. And it's a very uncomfortable moment that

467
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 2: I thought was well done and enjoyed. So I don't

468
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:21,439
Speaker 2: know what that does about me. I also did like

469
00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: I've always liked this, but I love Zephyr's refusal to

470
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:34,400
Speaker 2: give up because I feel, again, this might say something

471
00:27:34,400 --> 00:27:36,920
Speaker 2: about me. I'm worried. I would I'm worried. At a

472
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 2: certain point, I would just be like I can't even

473
00:27:41,600 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 2: scream anymore, Like this is the kind of the hopelessness

474
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:48,560
Speaker 2: of it. But she does not, like she attempts like

475
00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,679
Speaker 2: three or four escape.

476
00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,639
Speaker 1: I mean, when she puts her name on the wall,

477
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,080
Speaker 1: it felt like she might be giving up, especially in

478
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: discovering like not only with one other name, but there

479
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:00,280
Speaker 1: was four other names, like she realized, oh, because he

480
00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,320
Speaker 1: had painted over some of the names, even like he

481
00:28:03,359 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 1: didn't want them to know too much. And then also

482
00:28:05,880 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 1: like making sure to memorialize Heather, which I was like, okay,

483
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 1: but all of those things to be like it did

484
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,240
Speaker 1: almost feel like it, but every time she almost gave up.

485
00:28:17,400 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: This new hope did come back, like with form of

486
00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 1: Moses coming actually showing up, being able to get out

487
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: of the handcuffs the first time, it almost almost escaping

488
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,080
Speaker 1: the first time, and stuff like that, like knowing that

489
00:28:29,119 --> 00:28:31,440
Speaker 1: she'd or he had to dock the boat. That was

490
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:34,199
Speaker 1: another hopeful moment. Like all these things. It almost like

491
00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: the world kept pushing her to try, and she was like, yes,

492
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm listening.

493
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah. And he has that whole monologue where he's like, oh,

494
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:46,880
Speaker 2: they're in Marlin. They never quit. They're not the best,

495
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,840
Speaker 2: like cut of fish, but everybody wants one because the

496
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:54,880
Speaker 2: trophy of like capturing it, and he's comparing her to

497
00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:58,880
Speaker 2: that of like her constant trying to escape. And when

498
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 2: the Great White shows up, he's like, I knew this

499
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:06,400
Speaker 2: would be a special one. He's so excited, but I

500
00:29:06,680 --> 00:29:09,520
Speaker 2: don't know, I just really enjoyed that, even though it

501
00:29:09,600 --> 00:29:12,480
Speaker 2: was because it's a horror movie. It's so frustrating, like, oh,

502
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: she almost got away, and then we're back here again,

503
00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:22,680
Speaker 2: and she does I like that. She she really like

504
00:29:24,080 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 2: she did what she could foreather, she did what she

505
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 2: could for Moses. Even though she's got this whole commitment issue.

506
00:29:32,200 --> 00:29:39,000
Speaker 2: She really did like care and and so calm when

507
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:40,280
Speaker 2: faced with the sharks.

508
00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: I oh, my goodness, Oh that's definitely one of the

509
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: things you learned. I don't move, Yeah, don't move. They

510
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:52,280
Speaker 1: are not as interested the more you fight. So I'm told, yeah,

511
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: watch me get by shark.

512
00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: I did.

513
00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 1: It wasn't because I wanted to go there, yes.

514
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 2: But you know, I also like the because it's clearly

515
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:07,560
Speaker 2: framing him as the predator and she is the prey.

516
00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:13,240
Speaker 2: But in the end, you know, she comes back around

517
00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,120
Speaker 2: on the boat and he's not anticipating it shoots him

518
00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 2: with his own harpoon gun, which I guess I could

519
00:30:19,880 --> 00:30:21,760
Speaker 2: make a whole thing about how it's a phallic shape

520
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:24,080
Speaker 2: because in horror we always talk about that, but you know,

521
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,680
Speaker 2: gets knocked into the water.

522
00:30:26,760 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, which, by the way, I was like, go, what

523
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:31,320
Speaker 1: are you doing? You know what that's attached to you?

524
00:30:31,360 --> 00:30:33,040
Speaker 1: What are you doing? I will say that was one

525
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:34,560
Speaker 1: of the most inferiorating parts, Like what.

526
00:30:38,280 --> 00:30:40,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, she gets pulled back in the white again, like

527
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 2: you think it's over, and I.

528
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: Guess they really need that last But I'm like, whendn't

529
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:46,080
Speaker 1: she first just sat there? I was like, what did

530
00:30:46,120 --> 00:30:48,840
Speaker 1: she What are you doing? I did get very mad,

531
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:54,400
Speaker 1: White girl, take that off your foot, Let go of

532
00:30:54,440 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: the gun.

533
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 2: You gotta have you gotta have the final like you know,

534
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 2: is it dead or is it over? And then it's not,

535
00:31:01,520 --> 00:31:06,080
Speaker 2: and then it is. But yes, and to have the

536
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:11,080
Speaker 2: shark come for him because he can't he can't stay still. Well,

537
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:13,480
Speaker 2: he's panicking up in there and trying to get back

538
00:31:13,520 --> 00:31:18,920
Speaker 2: on the boat, which I yeah, I enjoyed. I enjoyed

539
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: that the shark was like, nah, I won't eat you,

540
00:31:21,960 --> 00:31:25,160
Speaker 2: but you though I've been waiting put on a show

541
00:31:25,280 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 2: for the camera.

542
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 1: Let me do a whole jump out of the water

543
00:31:29,720 --> 00:31:29,960
Speaker 1: with you.

544
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:37,960
Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh yeah, it's quite quite a scene. Uh. But yes,

545
00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 2: this does bring me to something I've been wanting to

546
00:31:41,320 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 2: talk about for a while. I wasn't able to find

547
00:31:44,680 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 2: as much research as I thought they would be on it,

548
00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:50,800
Speaker 2: But Shark's Ploitation and Women and Shark's Plortation is. Yes,

549
00:31:50,840 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 2: these shark movies that have just gone off the rails

550
00:31:55,960 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: in recent years. I have list and list of some

551
00:32:00,280 --> 00:32:02,320
Speaker 2: of the wilder ones I found. There's one that takes

552
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:06,880
Speaker 2: place in the mountains and snow. There's snow sharks and

553
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,680
Speaker 2: all of the it's a bikini skiing contest, because of

554
00:32:10,680 --> 00:32:13,720
Speaker 2: course it is, but then there are these sharks.

555
00:32:13,960 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: I feel like I've heard of this.

556
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,280
Speaker 2: Oh it's it's on my like you wouldn't believe this exists,

557
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 2: but yes, it absolutely does.

558
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 1: I don't know why, but it might have been me.

559
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,280
Speaker 2: I do have. I'm gonna I have some honorable mentions

560
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 2: in the bad shark movie category that I'll get to.

561
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: This did really kick off with Jaws, which came out

562
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:37,200
Speaker 2: in nineteen seventy five. But you know, in a lot

563
00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:40,959
Speaker 2: of ways, shark movies are slasher movies, and slasher movies

564
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 2: have typically been men killing women, or at least killing

565
00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 2: them more violently on screen, and usually showing it through

566
00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:51,120
Speaker 2: their point of view, which is very much this movie

567
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,240
Speaker 2: is very much too Zephyr's point of view. Some articles

568
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:59,320
Speaker 2: suggest women do relate to the victimhood in similar ways

569
00:32:59,320 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: that we might to true crime, and that way, like,

570
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:07,280
Speaker 2: you know, there's this danger, and it's almost, in a

571
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,880
Speaker 2: very sad way, refreshing to see it being confirmed that

572
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 2: you do know this is the danger, because yeah, the

573
00:33:14,400 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 2: numbers suggest we are more at risk not for shark attacks,

574
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:21,120
Speaker 2: shark attacks are very rare, but you know, in general

575
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:24,280
Speaker 2: that kind of danger. In this case, it's a man

576
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,480
Speaker 2: who's feeding you to sharks. And there have been there's

577
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: been some writing about sharks as kind of the patriarchy. Actually,

578
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,320
Speaker 2: something that will just chew you up and spit you out,

579
00:33:37,520 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 2: doesn't care about you, doesn't care about your well being

580
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 2: at all. And I found one article in particular that

581
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 2: was interesting, and it was about how in more recent

582
00:33:46,560 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 2: years there's been a shift into women fighting back because

583
00:33:51,400 --> 00:33:57,040
Speaker 2: traditionally it has been women getting eaten, and that there

584
00:33:57,160 --> 00:34:00,640
Speaker 2: wasn't the fighting back part necessarily, but that it has changed.

585
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,160
Speaker 2: And there were a lot of good examples on there,

586
00:34:02,200 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: and I kind of laughed because I've seen them all.

587
00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, I've really delved

588
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:14,640
Speaker 2: into the genre. But yeah, it is. It has long

589
00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,799
Speaker 2: been the consumption of typically traditionally beautiful Western women, but

590
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:24,680
Speaker 2: that's also changed in recent years. From Dan Ruby's work

591
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 2: The Jaws in the Mirror jump Cut, a review of

592
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: contemporary Media Nber ten to eleven, quote, the shark's I

593
00:34:32,440 --> 00:34:36,480
Speaker 2: camera view watches from below as the woman swims acrobatically above,

594
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,399
Speaker 2: then it rises up under her toward her crotch as

595
00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:42,680
Speaker 2: she scissor kicks vertically in the water. The camera quickly

596
00:34:42,719 --> 00:34:45,800
Speaker 2: switches to the surface of the water. Here, the close

597
00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,920
Speaker 2: up of the woman's agonized face as the unseen shark

598
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,800
Speaker 2: tears her body under the water is a frightening imitation

599
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,440
Speaker 2: of orgasm. The cliche of the equivalence of pleasure and

600
00:34:55,480 --> 00:34:59,280
Speaker 2: pain used almost from the first betrayal of female orgasm

601
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 2: in film. The juxtaposition of images, the erotic swimming sequence

602
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:07,920
Speaker 2: and the shark attack appeals to a sadism and hatred

603
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: of women, which must be assumed to be a part

604
00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:14,239
Speaker 2: of the consciousness of the film's audience. However, the sadism

605
00:35:14,320 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 2: is disguised so that it can be enjoyed by people

606
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:20,480
Speaker 2: who would not admit to having sadistic impulses or taste.

607
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,440
Speaker 2: So this is the first scene in Jaws that he

608
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,000
Speaker 2: is describing, which is a very like In my opinion,

609
00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,560
Speaker 2: that's the scariest part of the whole movie. But I

610
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 2: hadn't really thought about it. But it is true. We

611
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:38,680
Speaker 2: have discussed in slasher movies, that is, it's often done

612
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 2: that way. It's often done as a kind of sexualized

613
00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 2: way where you don't usually men but you don't have

614
00:35:47,640 --> 00:35:51,719
Speaker 2: to admit like I like seeing women being hurt. I

615
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 2: enjoy that she's getting torn up right now, and that

616
00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 2: it's kind of sexual. I'm into it. This is also

617
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 2: the post her It's a famous poster. Was her swimming

618
00:36:03,400 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: like that and then the shark coming up beneath her

619
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 2: for Jaws And interestingly, doing this research, I stumbled upon

620
00:36:14,560 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 2: a whole paper about the queer reading of Jaws. And

621
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 2: I had never heard of this. But Lauren, again friend

622
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:27,960
Speaker 2: and other podcaster, because of her costume, she told me

623
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,800
Speaker 2: about this whole world of like queer Jaws fan fiction

624
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 2: that I see it now. I see it. I hadn't before,

625
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 2: and now I do.

626
00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: I'm very confused.

627
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 2: The shark isn't involved, Okay, okay, don't worry about that.

628
00:36:47,160 --> 00:36:51,839
Speaker 2: But the paper did talk about how this shark in

629
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 2: Jaws was specifically noted in the first one. I think

630
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,440
Speaker 2: they reverse it in the second one to be male shark. Bruce, Yeah, exactly.

631
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 2: So they did talk about, you know, that aspect of

632
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing. It was behind a paywall, so I

633
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: couldn't read the entire paper. I'm running into that more

634
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,320
Speaker 2: and more. I don't know about you. Samantha.

635
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: I've ran into it a lot, and honestly, I understand it.

636
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,440
Speaker 1: I would with everything going down, but at the same time,

637
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: it's really irritating.

638
00:37:21,719 --> 00:37:28,480
Speaker 2: Well, it's like I can't pay money. Oh well, I

639
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,600
Speaker 2: could use the Shark magazine a lot, but you know,

640
00:37:31,680 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 2: like if it's something we reference regularly, I could justify that.

641
00:37:35,880 --> 00:37:37,879
Speaker 2: I think I would have a harder time to.

642
00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,040
Speaker 1: Be like, I have a subscription to the medium now

643
00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:42,600
Speaker 1: because I feel like I get a lot of good content. Yeah,

644
00:37:42,680 --> 00:37:45,839
Speaker 1: different writers with like a variation, so at least those

645
00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: are all variations versus one specific exacular way. Yeah, I'm

646
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,000
Speaker 1: not I'm not paying to look at your conservative left

647
00:37:52,040 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 1: bar right. I don't want to pay you for this.

648
00:37:54,560 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 2: Hell no, exactly, yes, okay. Well, aside from the trying

649
00:38:01,239 --> 00:38:06,040
Speaker 2: to research these days, something else I was thinking about

650
00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 2: is there's also been a lot written about this is

651
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:15,000
Speaker 2: women's scientists in shark movies, which is again you can

652
00:38:15,000 --> 00:38:20,240
Speaker 2: see our episode we did on that. It's really bad.

653
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,640
Speaker 2: The whole paper was specifically on women in science, but

654
00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 2: they had one section that was about women in shark

655
00:38:28,680 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: science in particular, and the percentage was lower than most

656
00:38:32,880 --> 00:38:36,560
Speaker 2: of the other ones. I have talked you weren't there,

657
00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 2: you had COVID, but I did talk about deep bluesy

658
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 2: on here and how in that movie Susan the Scientist,

659
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 2: a shark scientist was painted in a very villainous light,

660
00:38:49,520 --> 00:38:55,560
Speaker 2: and actually she was supposed to survive, but the audiences

661
00:38:55,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 2: hated her so much they changed the ending, so she died.

662
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:02,160
Speaker 2: And when I read that, I was like, I knew it.

663
00:39:02,760 --> 00:39:06,600
Speaker 2: The ending has always felt off to me. It doesn't fit.

664
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 2: I feel like usually there would have been some kind

665
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:11,640
Speaker 2: of redemption. I guess in this case redemption as she dies,

666
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:15,880
Speaker 2: But you know, the point being a lot of times

667
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:19,640
Speaker 2: a male character would not have been received as villainously

668
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:25,360
Speaker 2: as she was. I have seen. I really love the

669
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:29,000
Speaker 2: movie Under Paris. It's kind of funny because it was

670
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: about like Paris's please don't bring the Olympics here, which

671
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,640
Speaker 2: in a way I enjoyed because like the mayor, the

672
00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,400
Speaker 2: equivalent of the mayor from Jazz is a woman who's

673
00:39:39,440 --> 00:39:41,879
Speaker 2: like eating salads and it's like all swim in the sand,

674
00:39:41,960 --> 00:39:44,120
Speaker 2: I don't care, you know, that kind of thing. But

675
00:39:44,360 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 2: there was a woman's scientist in that Shark Scientist. She

676
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,440
Speaker 2: is very much like I like her character, but she

677
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:53,799
Speaker 2: is you know, as you were kind of talking like

678
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 2: the traumatize has had this horrible experience. Also the shark

679
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:01,720
Speaker 2: in that the main shark in that movie is called Lilith,

680
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:04,239
Speaker 2: which we've also done an episode on Lilith about being

681
00:40:04,320 --> 00:40:10,160
Speaker 2: the birth of monsters. Yes, and then I have seen

682
00:40:10,200 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 2: the meg I don't recall because it came up in

683
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:16,040
Speaker 2: a couple of articles I was reading. They were talking

684
00:40:16,080 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: about how there is a woman's scientist in that, but

685
00:40:18,320 --> 00:40:24,320
Speaker 2: she's almost completely defined by her attraction to Jason Statham

686
00:40:24,480 --> 00:40:35,000
Speaker 2: and her like. I thought it was quite humorous. I

687
00:40:35,040 --> 00:40:36,719
Speaker 2: thought maybe it's because I was a And I was like,

688
00:40:36,760 --> 00:40:39,480
Speaker 2: oh really, because they have like a scene in there

689
00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: where you're clearly like supposed to be like fanning yourself

690
00:40:42,280 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 2: like who And I was just like, put your shirt on, man.

691
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,240
Speaker 2: And as as mentioned, any number of bad, very bad

692
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,520
Speaker 2: horror movies feature women in bikinis getting eat by sharks.

693
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:00,960
Speaker 2: Not I mean sharks. Were talking about sharks today, but

694
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 2: I could think it's like any creature you could put

695
00:41:03,400 --> 00:41:16,200
Speaker 2: X Y Z in there. Okay, So I, as I tease,

696
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: here are some mentions I wanted to put in of

697
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 2: bad horror movies. I have come across Shark Harmies, The

698
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:29,279
Speaker 2: Shark Exorcist. This relates to an upcoming episode we're doing

699
00:41:29,320 --> 00:41:31,040
Speaker 2: on religious horror, and I was like, you know, if

700
00:41:31,080 --> 00:41:32,839
Speaker 2: I wanted to, I could throw this one in there,

701
00:41:33,960 --> 00:41:39,920
Speaker 2: because it features an evil nun who summons demonic sharks,

702
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 2: and if you get bitten by the shark, it leads

703
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:48,080
Speaker 2: to possession. And of course the person who gets bitten

704
00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,319
Speaker 2: by the shark that we're following is like a traditionally

705
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 2: hot lady who transforms into a shark.

706
00:41:55,920 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: They transform into sharks.

707
00:41:57,680 --> 00:42:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, their own will. By the way, no

708
00:42:03,920 --> 00:42:06,719
Speaker 2: it's I would recommend watching a trailer. Don't watch the movie,

709
00:42:06,719 --> 00:42:09,960
Speaker 2: but the trailer will give you a good chuckle. The

710
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,000
Speaker 2: trailer for Noah's Shark, however, which is my next entry,

711
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,160
Speaker 2: is not as good, but I did want to talk

712
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,719
Speaker 2: about it funnily enough, so the plot of this movie

713
00:42:19,840 --> 00:42:24,080
Speaker 2: is a witch summons sharks to protect Noah's Arc. But

714
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 2: I brought this movie app with my old G and

715
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,680
Speaker 2: D crew in front of the show. Joe McCormick was like,

716
00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:34,080
Speaker 2: it would have been a much better movie if the

717
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,320
Speaker 2: sharks on the arc, like we're evil or something, and

718
00:42:38,520 --> 00:42:43,080
Speaker 2: Noah had to kill the sharks, which somebody rightly pointed

719
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 2: out in an article I was reading. Why were the

720
00:42:45,280 --> 00:42:48,000
Speaker 2: sharks even all the arc water.

721
00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: Need to be on the arc, Like, there's no sea

722
00:42:51,200 --> 00:42:54,680
Speaker 1: creatures on arcs. They weren't like suppose like from what

723
00:42:54,719 --> 00:42:58,040
Speaker 1: I understand, it was all land creatures, right that needed

724
00:42:58,120 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 1: to be saved. Confusion.

725
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:04,880
Speaker 2: Well, that is fair, that is fair. Here's a quote

726
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:10,040
Speaker 2: I've found about this movie. Noah, you see, forgot a

727
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,200
Speaker 2: certain shark to put in his arc. Okay, from the

728
00:43:13,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 2: time I was a little kid, I always thought that

729
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: Noah didn't need to put fish or sea creatures in

730
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,920
Speaker 2: his arc anyway, because they could just swim around in

731
00:43:19,920 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 2: the torrential water that flooded the earth. But no this

732
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 2: was a problem, and Noah should have kept this shark

733
00:43:25,480 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 2: in the ark and not unleash the powerful evil force.

734
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 2: It's all simply ridiculous, with some of the poorest acting

735
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:35,719
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. The story doesn't make any sense whatsoever.

736
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 2: But oh, there's a witch in there too. The Witch

737
00:43:39,040 --> 00:43:42,640
Speaker 2: of Indoor is not from a Star Wars world, which

738
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:45,640
Speaker 2: is too bad because it would have been more interesting.

739
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:48,680
Speaker 1: I'm confused why there's a witch when it comes to

740
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: Christian folklore.

741
00:43:52,520 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 2: Listen. I can't explain this to you. I can't. I

742
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 2: don't know if anyone cared.

743
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:01,280
Speaker 1: It's not happening because the old intent was that God,

744
00:44:02,040 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: yes needed to protect. Where does witch come from?

745
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 2: No one knows. No one knows.

746
00:44:09,480 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: Is it the wife of Noah? Are we calling Oh?

747
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 1: One of the children of Noah?

748
00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:18,239
Speaker 2: Oh? It could be. I don't know. I have never

749
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 2: watched Noah's Shark.

750
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:21,920
Speaker 1: Well, I think you have a new assignment.

751
00:44:22,200 --> 00:44:23,520
Speaker 2: I don't know if I can do it.

752
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 1: I need you to do it.

753
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: Uh, well, I might.

754
00:44:27,040 --> 00:44:27,800
Speaker 1: I think it's time.

755
00:44:28,239 --> 00:44:30,520
Speaker 2: I do have a list of all the shark movies

756
00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:33,200
Speaker 2: I haven't watched yet, and it is all there.

757
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: It is one of them.

758
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:39,440
Speaker 2: That quote was from a Medium article The Ultimate Ridiculousness

759
00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 2: and the Lost Story of Noah's Shark by Mike Simansky.

760
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 2: I hope I'm pronouncing that correctly, but it's a fun read.

761
00:44:46,400 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 2: It was, I got, and we are. I'm laughing a lot.

762
00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:53,320
Speaker 2: I love this genre so much. There has been total nonsense.

763
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 2: I mean, Sharknado is kind of the epitome of what

764
00:44:56,960 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 2: we're talking about here, of what has happened.

765
00:45:00,239 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 1: I mean it got two. There's not a sequel.

766
00:45:03,920 --> 00:45:06,319
Speaker 2: No, I think it's like seven there seven.

767
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:11,160
Speaker 1: I know that one, like at least on Sci Fi Network,

768
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:15,839
Speaker 1: So I don't know Ian what's his face from one

769
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:20,240
Speaker 1: oh Fame? I know was one of the yeah shining

770
00:45:20,280 --> 00:45:21,240
Speaker 1: stars on this show.

771
00:45:21,640 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's an interesting I mean that again, if

772
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:27,200
Speaker 2: I had this Shark podcast, I would talk about it

773
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,439
Speaker 2: forever because that was an interesting case of everybody saying

774
00:45:29,440 --> 00:45:32,000
Speaker 2: that movie would fail, and rightfully it should have, but

775
00:45:32,520 --> 00:45:35,400
Speaker 2: because it was so bizarre and funny.

776
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: Like the Troll. Yeah, it also cut a second one,

777
00:45:39,480 --> 00:45:41,840
Speaker 1: and it makes you know sense, Well.

778
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:44,879
Speaker 2: Isn't the Troll isn't it not related to the first

779
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 2: one though?

780
00:45:45,600 --> 00:45:45,839
Speaker 1: Yeah?

781
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: Exactly.

782
00:45:46,440 --> 00:45:48,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was so bad the first one was taking

783
00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,239
Speaker 1: itself seriously that the second one was like, we're gonna

784
00:45:50,239 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 1: do a new one, but it's not gonna have anything

785
00:45:51,520 --> 00:45:53,200
Speaker 1: to do with it, and it's gonna be ridiculous. Yes,

786
00:45:53,280 --> 00:45:54,919
Speaker 1: if I remember correct, it could be wrong.

787
00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:58,920
Speaker 2: They're completely different. Uh. There's also Troll Honk Show, which

788
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:00,440
Speaker 2: I would say is a really good movie. But I

789
00:46:00,520 --> 00:46:03,440
Speaker 2: accidentally watched Troll trying to watch Troll Hunter, and I

790
00:46:03,560 --> 00:46:05,440
Speaker 2: was I was very.

791
00:46:05,440 --> 00:46:07,439
Speaker 1: Can we do this with a Korean show for you too?

792
00:46:07,920 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 1: I have completely like, wait, what are you watching?

793
00:46:11,640 --> 00:46:15,160
Speaker 2: I have accidentally watched the wrong thing on several occasions.

794
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:19,040
Speaker 1: To everyone's delight. The Witch of Endine. I just really,

795
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,960
Speaker 1: I know, I feel like that alone.

796
00:46:22,719 --> 00:46:25,560
Speaker 2: We should start, like, if I can't do my Shark podcast,

797
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:27,800
Speaker 2: we should have like a Shark review.

798
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna agree to this, but no, you don't

799
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,640
Speaker 1: have to watch him, right.

800
00:46:34,960 --> 00:46:38,239
Speaker 2: If you need this, this is my.

801
00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 1: You know, we've been talking about doing a Patreon. I

802
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:40,960
Speaker 1: think that's that's the.

803
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:45,800
Speaker 2: Patri and you know me, I would talk about feminist themes.

804
00:46:46,480 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 2: What I know?

805
00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:51,239
Speaker 1: I know. I mean I think if we if we

806
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: have a patrion and we do it on our own,

807
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:56,680
Speaker 1: it needs to be but make it feminist and do

808
00:46:56,760 --> 00:47:01,680
Speaker 1: whatever we want but have Yeah, it's gonna be called,

809
00:47:01,680 --> 00:47:03,279
Speaker 1: but make it a feminist I like that.

810
00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 2: I like that.

811
00:47:05,239 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 1: Don't steal it, people, I'm just kidding. Yeah, tell us

812
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:09,040
Speaker 1: about it.

813
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, let us know how it goes. How much money

814
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 2: are you making? Yeah, well, listeners that doesn't know if

815
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 2: you'd be interested in something like that, I know I

816
00:47:18,000 --> 00:47:20,840
Speaker 2: went kind of off of the actual movie. We were

817
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:23,319
Speaker 2: talking about I, I legitimately think this is a really

818
00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:24,880
Speaker 2: good movie and I enjoyed it.

819
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,000
Speaker 1: I enjoyed it, like again, like kind of when you

820
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 1: were talking about people's reasoning about slashers, like maybe that's

821
00:47:29,840 --> 00:47:33,920
Speaker 1: why I hate slashers so much, because that's all it

822
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:37,600
Speaker 1: feels like. It just feels like and I feel that

823
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,560
Speaker 1: way about a lot of Korean dramas too, like they

824
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 1: do this purposely to bring in violence against women, and

825
00:47:42,960 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: it feels like for no reason, Like one of my

826
00:47:45,200 --> 00:47:47,120
Speaker 1: like one of the ones we watched before, they brought

827
00:47:47,160 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: in a kidnapping scene for no reason, Like I really

828
00:47:50,680 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: feel like they could have done any other anything else

829
00:47:54,440 --> 00:47:57,839
Speaker 1: like that, but they really loved this this ideal of like,

830
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,479
Speaker 1: make sure we torture women, but also will a woman

831
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:04,359
Speaker 1: rescue them? So that's the answer type of conversation. Yeah,

832
00:48:04,680 --> 00:48:07,120
Speaker 1: and I think that might be it. But before this one,

833
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: I think they did it in a way that didn't

834
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:15,880
Speaker 1: feel like it was sexualizing or victimizing women in a

835
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 1: way that was so like over the top gross. Yeah, picky,

836
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 1: But I was like, Okay, this wasn't fad that. The

837
00:48:23,480 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: ending was interesting. She ended up like we even had

838
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:27,840
Speaker 1: the like turnaround of like he came in to be

839
00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: a hero on Moses, it was the sweet guy, but

840
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 1: she was the one that ended up being the hero

841
00:48:32,080 --> 00:48:35,399
Speaker 1: the entire time. Like yes, he assisted, for sure, sure,

842
00:48:36,120 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: but it was her at her determination and her gumption.

843
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: So kids would say, yeah, yeah, And I have a

844
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:53,840
Speaker 2: friend who also has I didn't say she likes slashers,

845
00:48:53,880 --> 00:48:56,640
Speaker 2: but she's and I understand she doesn't like watching them

846
00:48:56,680 --> 00:48:59,759
Speaker 2: when eating. Uh. And so we were back. We were

847
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,080
Speaker 2: had ordered dinner the other day and I mentioned this

848
00:49:03,120 --> 00:49:04,319
Speaker 2: movie and I was like, we should watch that, and

849
00:49:04,320 --> 00:49:08,359
Speaker 2: she was like, okay, is there is somebody get eaten

850
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 2: by a shark? And I was like yes. But you know,

851
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: when I thought about it, most of the movie is

852
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:18,239
Speaker 2: entirely her trying to escape. Like there is the like

853
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:22,400
Speaker 2: that's the death in the beginning with the boy with

854
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 2: the guy that happens very quickly, and then Heather, which

855
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: is very traumatizing but not overly. I mean it's violent,

856
00:49:28,800 --> 00:49:32,240
Speaker 2: but it's not like, oh my god. Yeah, but most

857
00:49:32,239 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 2: of the movie is her trying to escape and it

858
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:39,719
Speaker 2: is very suspenseful just because of that. Yeah, yeah, so

859
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,520
Speaker 2: I enjoyed it. I also I did have fun. I've

860
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Speaker 2: been meaning to talk about Shark's ortation in some of

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Speaker 2: So this was a good means to get to that. Yes, yes, yes,

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