1 00:00:00,920 --> 00:00:01,080 Speaker 1: Yeah. 2 00:00:01,160 --> 00:00:03,160 Speaker 2: Now you gotta get a drop for us. All right, 3 00:00:03,360 --> 00:00:08,200 Speaker 2: Jason mccordy, say whatever you want to say. I'm Jason mccordy. Whatever, 4 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 2: hold on, put that down. This is a true professional here, Thomas. 5 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: All right, and you're listening to the NFL. 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 3: Players Second Acts Podcast. Thank you? What's up everybody, Jason mccordy, 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,880 Speaker 3: I'm sitting here with Peena Tillman, Roman Harper. I'm big 8 00:00:23,920 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 3: fans of ours, and I'm honored and I'm humble to 9 00:00:26,960 --> 00:00:30,160 Speaker 3: be here on the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. Make 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,400 Speaker 3: sure you take a listen, hey, and once you listen, 11 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 3: you hit that follow button. 12 00:00:34,040 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Oh my god, that. 13 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:56,560 Speaker 4: What I'm PETERA. 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,720 Speaker 2: Tillman and this is the NFL Player Second Acts Podcast. 15 00:01:00,080 --> 00:01:03,160 Speaker 2: It's me is always, I got my sidekick, my co. 16 00:01:03,160 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 1: Host, my older brother Roman Harp on the show with me. 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 1: What's up baby? What's up? Man? I'm clearly not older 18 00:01:08,160 --> 00:01:11,800 Speaker 1: than you. Are you look over or you just got 19 00:01:11,800 --> 00:01:13,319 Speaker 1: a strugful life now older. 20 00:01:13,880 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 2: I want to thank all of our listeners and viewers 21 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,479 Speaker 2: because you guys are tuning into Man anywhere. You pick 22 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:21,880 Speaker 2: us up at with his iHeartRadio Apple Podcasts. Please give 23 00:01:21,959 --> 00:01:24,280 Speaker 2: us a five star rating of review. Click that button, 24 00:01:24,319 --> 00:01:26,440 Speaker 2: follow man, tell a friend, to tell a friend, to 25 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 2: tell a friend and pe nut. Yes, sir, who is 26 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,640 Speaker 2: our magnificent, beautiful guest today. All right, let me read 27 00:01:33,680 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 2: some of these bio real quick play. Thirteen seasons in 28 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:40,480 Speaker 2: the NFL Super Bowl winning champion, he's currently the co 29 00:01:40,560 --> 00:01:45,760 Speaker 2: host of Good Morning Football. Ladies and gentlemen, please welcome Jason. 30 00:01:45,760 --> 00:01:47,960 Speaker 3: Or appreciate it. Appreciate it, appreciate it. 31 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:49,800 Speaker 1: This is what you do now, right This is this 32 00:01:49,880 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: is you know, the media biness. How we doing. 33 00:01:51,680 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 3: I've convinced people to believe in that. So yeah, this 34 00:01:54,280 --> 00:01:55,840 Speaker 3: is what I'm doing right now. 35 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:57,760 Speaker 1: That's important. Yeah, that's important. 36 00:01:57,920 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: When I just saw you, my dude, take it till 37 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:00,960 Speaker 2: you make it that man, the first time I've actually 38 00:02:01,000 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: got to meet this young man. I think he's been 39 00:02:03,120 --> 00:02:05,000 Speaker 2: a brilliant mind. I think he's great on TV. He's 40 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 2: a great player as well, and uh, really just cool upbringing, dude, 41 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:10,840 Speaker 2: I gotta give you. Honestly, I watched you on a 42 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 2: Good Morning Football and Dude, I really like the fit checks. 43 00:02:15,960 --> 00:02:18,960 Speaker 2: I was like really feeling that, especially with all whatever 44 00:02:19,000 --> 00:02:26,720 Speaker 2: players are wearing now, it's really weird. 45 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,080 Speaker 3: And we started at this season and when we were 46 00:02:26,120 --> 00:02:28,400 Speaker 3: talking about doing I was like, I'm gonna be honest, 47 00:02:28,440 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 3: I'm not just gonna put outf this up there, but 48 00:02:30,120 --> 00:02:32,919 Speaker 3: all this one's dope. This one's that like somebody's wearing something. 49 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:35,120 Speaker 3: I have no idea what it is I'm going in. 50 00:02:35,240 --> 00:02:37,520 Speaker 2: So I mean, it's just a new way, bro, It's 51 00:02:37,560 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 2: all good. But all right, I want to try to 52 00:02:39,440 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 2: start to transition. Let's jump into some football and how well, 53 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:48,079 Speaker 2: let's get rid of the let's let's get over the 54 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 2: let's address the elephant in the room as well. This 55 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 2: is something I was like, So, what you're telling me 56 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 2: is that dev is a better athlete? 57 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:56,880 Speaker 1: Is this what I want to know? Your opinion? What 58 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: was there? What was the competition? 59 00:02:59,080 --> 00:02:59,160 Speaker 3: Like? 60 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:01,520 Speaker 1: This is your brother the in your house better when 61 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 1: y'all grew up? 62 00:03:02,680 --> 00:03:05,240 Speaker 3: How was that when you asked the question people, who's better? 63 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:06,959 Speaker 3: I'm like, if you put them in a seat next 64 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,639 Speaker 3: to me, we'll argue for hours who's better and both 65 00:03:09,760 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 3: try to bring proof to the situation. For us growing up, 66 00:03:13,080 --> 00:03:16,240 Speaker 3: I would say we were most competitive video games and basketball. 67 00:03:16,240 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 3: One on one basketball, we would go out and we 68 00:03:18,360 --> 00:03:21,120 Speaker 3: wouldn't keep scoring and we would just play going at 69 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 3: each other and it would usually end in one of 70 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,280 Speaker 3: us argument we're fighting, and then Mom would come out 71 00:03:26,320 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 3: there and that would be the end of it. And 72 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:30,040 Speaker 3: it was the same thing with video games, where you're 73 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:32,520 Speaker 3: playing everything's all good and then next thing you know, 74 00:03:32,800 --> 00:03:34,960 Speaker 3: you got somebody in the headlocking the whole nine. So 75 00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 3: as far as competition, we always were the tight. We 76 00:03:37,680 --> 00:03:39,640 Speaker 3: love playing against each other, but if we could ever 77 00:03:39,680 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 3: be on the same team, we love going against other people. 78 00:03:42,520 --> 00:03:45,720 Speaker 3: So our journey has been amazing just from a standpoint 79 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:48,160 Speaker 3: of there's nobody that's gonna hold me more accountable, probably 80 00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 3: other than my wife, show tell me how it is. 81 00:03:49,920 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 3: Then that if there's something not right, we're gonna call 82 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 3: each other out on it. I remember he goes to 83 00:03:54,880 --> 00:03:57,320 Speaker 3: the Pro Bowl his rookie year, seven intercepts and steps 84 00:03:57,320 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 3: on the scene and just balls. And that next off 85 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,839 Speaker 3: season we're back at Rutgers working out and we're doing 86 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,560 Speaker 3: pull ups and he cuts the pull up shore. He 87 00:04:04,640 --> 00:04:06,520 Speaker 3: does like six and there might have been eight or whatever. 88 00:04:06,760 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, you're gonna you're gonna cut my pull up short? 89 00:04:09,000 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 3: Like what we're doing here? He was like, you think 90 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:12,600 Speaker 3: these pull ups, gonna get you to the Pro Bowl. 91 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,520 Speaker 3: Now we're nose and nose in the way people separate. 92 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:17,719 Speaker 3: And then he went out there and had a terrible 93 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:19,839 Speaker 3: year his second year, and he got them pull ups 94 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 3: in the next year. So that's just that. That's us. 95 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:24,520 Speaker 3: We argue, we fight, love each other, don't talk about 96 00:04:24,560 --> 00:04:25,120 Speaker 3: and we're just fine. 97 00:04:25,120 --> 00:04:25,599 Speaker 2: And right. 98 00:04:25,680 --> 00:04:28,279 Speaker 1: What video game was like it for you guys? 99 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:30,160 Speaker 2: Which was which was the one that probably was like, 100 00:04:30,160 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 2: all right, we probably end up fighting to day? 101 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,560 Speaker 3: NBA Live, NBA Guy Live. We we were like, we 102 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:36,799 Speaker 3: couldn't play any shooting game. We were terrible and anything 103 00:04:37,040 --> 00:04:39,080 Speaker 3: other than a sports game. So it was NBA Live 104 00:04:39,160 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 3: and Madden all of those. So yeah, but live was 105 00:04:42,120 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 3: that was it? 106 00:04:42,560 --> 00:04:43,760 Speaker 1: What was the team? Oh? 107 00:04:43,800 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 3: I was Orlando Magic fan. Penny Hardaway was guy, yes, 108 00:04:46,960 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 3: and it was my guy with you. 109 00:04:48,720 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: I was the NBA jam kind of guy. Yeah, you're 110 00:04:51,040 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: showing your age, showing his age over here. I'm I'm 111 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,799 Speaker 1: showing my age. You're not showing your age. I'm wearing 112 00:04:59,839 --> 00:05:04,160 Speaker 1: my noted noted. 113 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 2: All right, what was your welcome to the NFL moment 114 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,880 Speaker 2: when you got to the league. 115 00:05:09,920 --> 00:05:12,600 Speaker 3: The first one was just the business side, the realness 116 00:05:12,600 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 3: of the NFL because I was a late round draftic 117 00:05:14,760 --> 00:05:17,680 Speaker 3: six round draft picks. So I'm getting there at Tennessee Titans. 118 00:05:17,839 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 3: You know, training camp, you go out there in your 119 00:05:19,240 --> 00:05:22,440 Speaker 3: stretch lines and you about nine deep at every position. 120 00:05:22,520 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 3: I'm going back, guys, you got drafted with the whole nine. 121 00:05:25,320 --> 00:05:27,120 Speaker 3: We get to that last cutting. The way they did 122 00:05:27,200 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 3: it in Tennessee was kind of crazy when I first 123 00:05:29,040 --> 00:05:31,080 Speaker 3: got in the league. The last two days where you 124 00:05:31,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 3: go through that last cut, guys stayed in the building. 125 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 3: A lot of teams. You'd be at the hotel, be 126 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: a day all we were all in the building. So 127 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 3: you'd have guys playing madd in our strength coach was 128 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 3: we called there was a guy you know, he hated it. 129 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,640 Speaker 3: He hated it because so you'd be there in the 130 00:05:49,640 --> 00:05:51,599 Speaker 3: locker room you're playing Madden and you get that tap 131 00:05:51,680 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 3: on the shoulder. Coach, you bring your playbook. So I remember, 132 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: we go through those cuts and then we go back 133 00:05:57,400 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 3: out there the stretch line and this is my rookie year. 134 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 3: I'm just trying to make the team. You go out there, 135 00:06:01,839 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 3: next thing you know, there's four people in your line 136 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,400 Speaker 3: and you're looking around and the entire room is just decimating. 137 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,720 Speaker 3: Everybody's gone. And then it was the reality of just 138 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:13,520 Speaker 3: what the NFL was and how quickly your dream you're 139 00:06:13,520 --> 00:06:16,119 Speaker 3: there and the next moment you're gone. So the season starts, 140 00:06:16,200 --> 00:06:18,960 Speaker 3: rookie year, I'm out there, we're playing I want to 141 00:06:19,000 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 3: say the rams And at that point, Stephen Jackson is 142 00:06:21,800 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 3: the running back and my dB coaches guy Marcus Robertson 143 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 3: played in the league, play safety. Ye play safety for 144 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,080 Speaker 3: the Titians Oilers. He's like, I'm telling y'all when you 145 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:31,680 Speaker 3: get out there, don't be nervous. You're gonna look out 146 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 3: there in pregame. You're gonna see Stephen Jackson. You could 147 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 3: be like, he looks like a Madden Creative player. Yeah. 148 00:06:36,200 --> 00:06:38,279 Speaker 3: So I didn't play any defense. Rookie, I'm out there 149 00:06:38,320 --> 00:06:40,840 Speaker 3: on kickoff and you know, back then they had the 150 00:06:40,920 --> 00:06:42,240 Speaker 3: three four man with wedge. 151 00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 1: You was a wagebuster. 152 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:47,560 Speaker 3: No, I was the number two. I was a speed guy. 153 00:06:47,880 --> 00:06:49,560 Speaker 3: We had some injuries and it was like, we're gonna 154 00:06:49,560 --> 00:06:51,479 Speaker 3: need you to play the number three spot. I'm like, coach, 155 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 3: I don't really know the number three spot. Like I 156 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:55,560 Speaker 3: feel more comfortable on the outside. You don't have that 157 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:57,480 Speaker 3: type of saying. When you're a rookie, get out there 158 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 3: at the three spot. I'm running by, nobody's blocking me. 159 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:03,080 Speaker 3: I'm straight. That means I'm onto the wedge man I 160 00:07:03,080 --> 00:07:06,279 Speaker 3: get I get up from getting hit. The veterans on 161 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,280 Speaker 3: this island like this, they holding up numbers trying to 162 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:11,880 Speaker 3: see if I'm okay. That was my first moment. I 163 00:07:11,920 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: was just like, you know what, I don't know if 164 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,160 Speaker 3: I got to find a way to get on defense 165 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 3: because the specialty is it's this ain't for me kick 166 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 3: off that life. 167 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: I got to find a way who life. 168 00:07:21,440 --> 00:07:24,119 Speaker 2: I've talked about this with multiple guests, is like, look, 169 00:07:24,560 --> 00:07:26,280 Speaker 2: it's playing special teams in the NFL. 170 00:07:26,440 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: It's a mindset. 171 00:07:27,400 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: That's what I hate my life. Like, that's that's the 172 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:30,520 Speaker 3: mindset that you have. 173 00:07:30,920 --> 00:07:33,559 Speaker 2: You like, it's a different breed and if you don't 174 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 2: do it early, you can't pick it up late. 175 00:07:35,760 --> 00:07:38,640 Speaker 3: Oh no way. You get to a point where now, 176 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 3: next thing you know, you're eight nine year, ten year 177 00:07:40,560 --> 00:07:42,080 Speaker 3: vet and the team wants and they're like, but we're 178 00:07:42,080 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 3: gonna need you to be the person to protect on 179 00:07:44,080 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 3: pund or something like it might be time for me 180 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:49,080 Speaker 3: to go hang out that's it. That's what I'm resorting to. 181 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,840 Speaker 3: It might be my moment might be gone. 182 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:53,200 Speaker 2: Yeah, because I don't know how you hit that switch on, 183 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: because these dude, this is how they feeding their family. 184 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:58,720 Speaker 1: You have not been in that lane before, y'all from 185 00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:01,880 Speaker 1: the hands team. You'll only never do hands. Hands is straight, bro. 186 00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:04,240 Speaker 1: They ain't worried about that. That's easy, all right. 187 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:06,760 Speaker 2: So I want to know this, how did you get 188 00:08:06,800 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 2: on the radar by the Tennessee Titans or other NFL 189 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 2: teams knowing that you were not invited to the combine, 190 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,120 Speaker 2: which totally blew my mind? 191 00:08:16,240 --> 00:08:18,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, how did that happen? I was talking your mind? 192 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, pro day ran a four to three flat and 193 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: I think speed in this league. 194 00:08:22,800 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: If you can run. 195 00:08:24,280 --> 00:08:25,920 Speaker 3: Gets to the end of the draft, he can run, 196 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 3: We'll see what he can do. But what helped me 197 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:31,160 Speaker 3: was we drafted Kenny Britt that same year men Kenny 198 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: or Reiver. So he was our first round drafted and 199 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,920 Speaker 3: our dB coach at Marcus Robertson, he liked me. He 200 00:08:37,080 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 3: saw me on film and thought I could possibly become 201 00:08:39,240 --> 00:08:41,439 Speaker 3: a good player. So Kenny gets in the building. That's 202 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:43,480 Speaker 3: when the draft was two days so he's there already. 203 00:08:43,720 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 3: He gets in the building, Mark Robb goes up to him, 204 00:08:45,760 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 3: was like, Jason any good? What do you think of him? 205 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,280 Speaker 3: Kenny's like, man, we battled every single day in practice. 206 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: If it wasn't for him and his brother, I wouldn't 207 00:08:52,160 --> 00:08:53,839 Speaker 3: be the player I was. He made me better each 208 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,280 Speaker 3: and every day. Mark Robb went straight to the GM 209 00:08:56,360 --> 00:08:59,200 Speaker 3: and was just like, we need this guy when went 210 00:08:59,240 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 3: to bat for me. So it's funny because it comes 211 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:03,760 Speaker 3: full circle. I just called the Titan Saints game, the 212 00:09:03,800 --> 00:09:06,120 Speaker 3: first game of the season. Mark Robb is a dB 213 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:08,440 Speaker 3: coach now for the New Orleans Saints, and I'm down 214 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,000 Speaker 3: there in pregame talking to him who drafted me way 215 00:09:11,040 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 3: back in O nine, and now I'm commentating calling the game. 216 00:09:13,480 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 2: So that's crazy because I just met Mark rob when 217 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: they were in Monday Night for the versus Caroline Panthers. 218 00:09:20,480 --> 00:09:22,960 Speaker 2: So the following week or so, I just met him 219 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 2: for the first time. Knew exactly he was, but I 220 00:09:24,640 --> 00:09:26,520 Speaker 2: was all, dang, he came up into do so I 221 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 2: was really excited talking about full circle. 222 00:09:30,640 --> 00:09:32,800 Speaker 3: I've watched you guys for so long. I remember we're 223 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,600 Speaker 3: playing Chicago comes to Nashville. And obviously the peanut punch. 224 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 3: Everybody knows about the whole week leading up to the game. 225 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 3: It's just like, you see this guy, Oh this. 226 00:09:41,800 --> 00:09:46,000 Speaker 1: Is twenty twelve. Yeah, just get down, Yeah, just get down. Yeah. 227 00:09:46,280 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 3: First playing the game, can a twenty something yard pass 228 00:09:51,120 --> 00:09:53,520 Speaker 3: over the middle. He punched the ball out. They beat 229 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: us fifty. 230 00:09:54,120 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 2: Something to He wasn't looking at play. He got him, 231 00:09:57,000 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 2: was like looking this one. Yeah, I got so and 232 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,199 Speaker 2: I came blind. I was like, first, could have like 233 00:10:01,280 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 2: knocked him out, But I was. 234 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 3: Just like, why first, I think you forced three fumbles 235 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 3: in that game. 236 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: He said he was gonna mention this, but since you 237 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: brought it. 238 00:10:10,400 --> 00:10:14,360 Speaker 3: Up, I don't forget. I remember when you understand going 239 00:10:14,400 --> 00:10:17,120 Speaker 3: against Brandon Marshall, we turning the ball. It wasn't a 240 00:10:17,160 --> 00:10:17,559 Speaker 3: fun death. 241 00:10:17,600 --> 00:10:18,400 Speaker 1: That was a great day. 242 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: It wasn't fun. 243 00:10:19,280 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 1: That was a fun day. 244 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,600 Speaker 3: So many Bears fans in the stands a whole nine. 245 00:10:22,640 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, because your fans started leaving no doubt about it. 246 00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:27,200 Speaker 3: What that came. That was There was some rough times 247 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,520 Speaker 3: in Tennessee at that point, some rough times. 248 00:10:30,080 --> 00:10:31,960 Speaker 1: That was a good defensive day for us. 249 00:10:32,160 --> 00:10:35,280 Speaker 2: What was that three month period like in you know 250 00:10:35,360 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen, you went you were on that defeated 251 00:10:39,160 --> 00:10:42,240 Speaker 2: team in Cleveland. That was that was I was Hugh 252 00:10:42,360 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 2: Jackson in Cleveland when you guys went on sixteen on seven. 253 00:10:46,800 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 3: So when you think of Hugh, you gotta remember not 254 00:10:49,360 --> 00:10:52,040 Speaker 3: only when only sixteen, but the year before that they 255 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:56,920 Speaker 3: were one in fifteen. So that year terrible from top 256 00:10:56,960 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: to bottom. There's there's no like, there's you just describe that. 257 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:05,040 Speaker 3: I don't have any positive say huge that I have 258 00:11:05,120 --> 00:11:08,040 Speaker 3: nothing like we were on in sixteen. It was not fun. 259 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,200 Speaker 3: But I think you look at that from that standpoint, 260 00:11:11,520 --> 00:11:14,600 Speaker 3: the organization was trying to get back right and they 261 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 3: knew they had to go through kind of a down 262 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:19,200 Speaker 3: phase to get back up. So you think about just 263 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 3: to fast for a little bit. Twenty seventeen, we don't 264 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:23,720 Speaker 3: win a game. That very next year, in twenty eighteen, 265 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 3: they draft picker Mayfield to go out to go get 266 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 3: Tyrod Taylor. They bring in a ton of free agents 267 00:11:28,679 --> 00:11:31,119 Speaker 3: with the draft picks and the capitol that they amassed 268 00:11:31,160 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 3: over the previous two seasons. So but being in it 269 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 3: as a player, the one thing I will say that 270 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:39,679 Speaker 3: locker room was phenomenal as far as like You had 271 00:11:39,760 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 3: young guys in there working their butts off because they 272 00:11:43,160 --> 00:11:45,320 Speaker 3: didn't know any different, and that was tough for me. 273 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:47,360 Speaker 3: I'm a nine year vet and I'm showing up and 274 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 3: you're trying to give mentorship and say the only thing 275 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 3: you could tell guys is like this ain't it? Like 276 00:11:52,800 --> 00:11:55,079 Speaker 3: go hard because this is gonna blow up and at 277 00:11:55,080 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 3: some point you're gonna need to be so confersed. I 278 00:11:57,920 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 3: remember Duke Johnson was on that team. He goes Houston 279 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:03,080 Speaker 3: the next year, he's playing next to Deshaun Watson. Emmanuel 280 00:12:03,120 --> 00:12:05,679 Speaker 3: Ogbell won a Super Bowl with the Kansas City Chiefs. 281 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,800 Speaker 3: Larry Ogunjobi got paid by the Pittsburgh Steelers. There was 282 00:12:08,840 --> 00:12:11,439 Speaker 3: a ton of talent on that team. The Mario Davis 283 00:12:11,520 --> 00:12:14,199 Speaker 3: was on that team and got traded away for Calvin 284 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 3: Pryor to go back to the Jets. Joe Hayden was 285 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:19,680 Speaker 3: released in the preseason and he goes on to play 286 00:12:20,080 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 3: four or five more years with the Pittsburgh steel Steelers 287 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:25,160 Speaker 3: at a high level. So it's not like there wasn't 288 00:12:25,280 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 3: good players in that locker room. There were a ton 289 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: of them. But it shows you from any organization if 290 00:12:31,000 --> 00:12:33,559 Speaker 3: it's not right at the very top, It trickles down 291 00:12:33,600 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 3: to the bottom. And that's what that season. 292 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: Well, even you can include yourself in that. 293 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 2: Now, I want to know your mindset was he went 294 00:12:38,880 --> 00:12:40,840 Speaker 2: from there to all of a sudden getting traded to 295 00:12:40,880 --> 00:12:43,160 Speaker 2: the New England Pages, where I mean, I go from 296 00:12:43,200 --> 00:12:45,160 Speaker 2: a team that we ain't winning nothing until all of 297 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,280 Speaker 2: a sudden, now we got a really chance to win 298 00:12:47,280 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 2: a Super Bowl? 299 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 1: So what was that? 300 00:12:48,920 --> 00:12:49,040 Speaker 3: Like? 301 00:12:49,480 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 2: I mean, and you get to batch back up with 302 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 2: your brothers, So what was that whole thing? 303 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: Was he in on? 304 00:12:54,280 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 2: That was? What was the family? With everybody celebrating? Take 305 00:12:57,720 --> 00:12:58,280 Speaker 2: me through that. 306 00:12:58,280 --> 00:13:00,600 Speaker 3: That was a dream come true. We finished that season 307 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 3: in Cleveland, and the season Cleveland was rough too, even 308 00:13:03,160 --> 00:13:05,240 Speaker 3: we had just had our third kid. She was alert, 309 00:13:05,280 --> 00:13:08,319 Speaker 3: she had severe food allergies, So just figuring out life 310 00:13:08,320 --> 00:13:10,680 Speaker 3: in that year was a lough. Yeah. I rememberh the 311 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,640 Speaker 3: season ended at my agent's Cleveland base I was like, 312 00:13:12,720 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 3: I'm not coming back to Cleveland. I was like, it's 313 00:13:14,400 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 3: a two year deal. I was, but I'm too old 314 00:13:16,240 --> 00:13:18,120 Speaker 3: for this at this point. I'm going in to year 315 00:13:18,200 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 3: ten like I was in Tennessee. We went two or fourteen, 316 00:13:20,880 --> 00:13:23,680 Speaker 3: one year three and thirteen. I'm like, I've taken my lumps. 317 00:13:23,720 --> 00:13:25,960 Speaker 3: I need to figure out to end on a good note. 318 00:13:26,000 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: And I'm sure the weather in Cleveland don't help either. 319 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 3: So great on fourteen, there's no sun. 320 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:35,839 Speaker 1: My mom came out tough. 321 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:37,559 Speaker 3: Oh my mom came out and she's like, I'm out 322 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,240 Speaker 3: to see you in the off season. I'm not coming back. 323 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 3: But the season ends, and I remember we had got 324 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 3: a new general manager, John Dorsey, and Cleveland Sash Brown 325 00:13:47,080 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 3: was let go and John calls me just like, hey, 326 00:13:50,559 --> 00:13:53,080 Speaker 3: we're bringing in some corners and just out of respect 327 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:54,439 Speaker 3: for you, we're going to try it. We're going to 328 00:13:54,520 --> 00:13:57,120 Speaker 3: release you now so you can get on with another team. 329 00:13:57,480 --> 00:13:59,559 Speaker 3: So at one end, I'm excited that he's going to 330 00:13:59,600 --> 00:14:01,400 Speaker 3: release me. Yeah, the other and I'm like, and I 331 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,280 Speaker 3: was disrespectful, Yeah, you didn't go out and sign. You 332 00:14:04,280 --> 00:14:06,840 Speaker 3: can go get Sauce Gardner or one of the quarterbacks 333 00:14:06,840 --> 00:14:11,040 Speaker 3: in the league. But no problem. So he tells me that. Literally, 334 00:14:11,240 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 3: maybe an hour or two later, Dev calls me. He 335 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:16,440 Speaker 3: face tigns me and he's just like, hey, you just 336 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 3: got traded to the Patriots. Like what, I'm like, bro, 337 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 3: get off my phone. He's like, yo' I'm dead serious. 338 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,440 Speaker 3: You just got traded to the Patriots. So when I 339 00:14:25,480 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 3: told Dev I was going to be released, he texted 340 00:14:27,680 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 3: Brian Flores, the defensive coordinator at the time for New England, 341 00:14:31,240 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 3: and let's say didn't Flow calls him it was just like, 342 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,280 Speaker 3: you might want to hit build up yourself. It might 343 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:39,600 Speaker 3: come better from you. So he text his Belichick two 344 00:14:39,640 --> 00:14:43,040 Speaker 3: mccordy's are better than one. Build us in response, So 345 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: forty five minutes go by, he's like, damn, I guess 346 00:14:45,240 --> 00:14:48,080 Speaker 3: two ain't better than one. And Bill calls him like, hey, 347 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:50,520 Speaker 3: we're going to trade for your brother. We're not going 348 00:14:50,600 --> 00:14:52,560 Speaker 3: to go through the agency stuff. We're just gonna go 349 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,680 Speaker 3: ahead and trade for So I remember facetiming my mom 350 00:14:55,800 --> 00:14:59,160 Speaker 3: and she was just ecstatic, yelling on the phone because 351 00:14:59,160 --> 00:15:00,560 Speaker 3: when I found out was gonna ge release, I said 352 00:15:00,560 --> 00:15:02,040 Speaker 3: to my wife, I love to go play for the 353 00:15:02,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 3: Giants or Jets because it's home. But first if I 354 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 3: go play alongside my brother, like, that's a dream come true. 355 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: And I remember flying there in March. He picked me 356 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:12,680 Speaker 3: up from the airport. We went over and my wife 357 00:15:12,720 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 3: said to me, because I was the back end of 358 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,280 Speaker 3: a two year deal, she was like no matter what 359 00:15:16,320 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 3: happens this year, if you play a lot, you don't 360 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,200 Speaker 3: play at all, Like, just don't take any of this 361 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 3: for granted. Yeah, enjoyed in the moment, and we're going 362 00:15:23,320 --> 00:15:24,280 Speaker 3: to win the Super Bowl, so. 363 00:15:24,480 --> 00:15:26,240 Speaker 1: You're saying that's a big deal. 364 00:15:26,400 --> 00:15:28,840 Speaker 2: And tell me this though, was it ever a dream 365 00:15:28,840 --> 00:15:31,600 Speaker 2: of you guys growing up to like playing the league 366 00:15:31,640 --> 00:15:34,040 Speaker 2: together on the same team, because like, that's it's so 367 00:15:34,080 --> 00:15:36,280 Speaker 2: hard to fathom me so hard to actually get there. 368 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:37,000 Speaker 3: No doubt about it. 369 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,600 Speaker 2: You know, you guys journey to get there was so different. 370 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:43,160 Speaker 2: Did you ever give up on this dream with you 371 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: kind of just say it was just put on the 372 00:15:44,600 --> 00:15:46,080 Speaker 2: back bur I never thought about and all of a 373 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:46,840 Speaker 2: sudden then it happened. 374 00:15:46,880 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 3: It was always it was always a dream we had 375 00:15:49,120 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 3: giving up on it. At that point in twenty fifteen, 376 00:15:52,480 --> 00:15:55,440 Speaker 3: I think Schefter had tweeted that New England Patriots were 377 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:58,200 Speaker 3: looking to trade for me and supposedly like that was 378 00:15:58,280 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 3: rumoring it and it almost happened, but it fell through. 379 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 3: And then in twenty seventeen, before I signed with the Browns, 380 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,560 Speaker 3: I was a free agent. New England had just signed 381 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:09,640 Speaker 3: Stefan Gilmour to Eric Road. They had Malcolm Butler, so 382 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:13,520 Speaker 3: they had guys and we had talked about it, but 383 00:16:13,560 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 3: it was just like for me, I still wanted to play, 384 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: so I was just like, I don't want to put 385 00:16:16,480 --> 00:16:19,000 Speaker 3: myself So at that point we realized we tried, it 386 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 3: probably wasn't gonna happen and didn't. When it happened organically 387 00:16:21,600 --> 00:16:24,000 Speaker 3: kind of without free agency or anything like that, it 388 00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 3: was so cool. And then that season we start out. 389 00:16:27,640 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 3: I played five plays the first game against Houston and 390 00:16:30,720 --> 00:16:32,720 Speaker 3: the next game I was about to be inactive. That 391 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:34,720 Speaker 3: game they had younger guys that they wanted to play. 392 00:16:34,760 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 3: I took a pay cut and training camp. So it 393 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 3: was just like, all right, I well just enjoyed this 394 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,040 Speaker 3: might be the last year. And then a guy got injured. 395 00:16:42,040 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 3: I ended up playing started the rest of the season 396 00:16:44,000 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 3: and ended up signing back after the year. But it 397 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 3: was a crazy rod. 398 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 1: Stay tuned in. We'll be right back after a quick break. 399 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:57,080 Speaker 2: Talk about so you go from being Owen seventeen to 400 00:16:57,720 --> 00:16:59,960 Speaker 2: winning the Super Bowl, and not just winning a Super 401 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,520 Speaker 2: but you had one of the better one if you 402 00:17:03,520 --> 00:17:05,760 Speaker 2: would arguably say one of the best defensive plays in 403 00:17:05,800 --> 00:17:10,160 Speaker 2: that game. You know where Cooks is running Scott free 404 00:17:10,640 --> 00:17:12,280 Speaker 2: up the middle of the field. Like, what did you 405 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:15,520 Speaker 2: see on that play? So how did that play? How 406 00:17:15,520 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 2: did that play transform in your mind? 407 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I saw some bad defense for sure. You guys 408 00:17:19,240 --> 00:17:22,359 Speaker 3: can appreciate it as dbright. They ran that play earlier 409 00:17:22,440 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 3: in the game and we were playing cover four and 410 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 3: I remember getting to the sideline and me and my 411 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 3: brother are talking and he's just like, yo, if they 412 00:17:28,320 --> 00:17:30,040 Speaker 3: come back to this, you got to get back to 413 00:17:30,080 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 3: the middle. It was like, for sure, I see it, 414 00:17:31,880 --> 00:17:33,840 Speaker 3: We'll be all right. And they come back to the 415 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:35,760 Speaker 3: play and I don't know what Gilly's thinking on the 416 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,560 Speaker 3: right side, but they're just running over posts and Gilly 417 00:17:38,600 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 3: sees the overcoming towards them and he drops the post 418 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,200 Speaker 3: and both safeties they go to get the post because 419 00:17:44,440 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 3: Gilly's high and I'm pushing and I see it and 420 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 3: I turned. I'm like what the hell? At that point 421 00:17:50,160 --> 00:17:54,000 Speaker 3: is just like hustle, go try to make the play. 422 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: Let's put it in. And then you know, this is 423 00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:00,479 Speaker 3: year ten, so that's probably more like a season. 424 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:01,679 Speaker 1: Yeah, it was for it. 425 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:05,480 Speaker 3: You know, it's just put your head down and run. 426 00:18:05,520 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 3: And just lucky for me, golf was late ball. Wasn't 427 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,000 Speaker 3: really a great pass and was able to make the play. 428 00:18:10,080 --> 00:18:12,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a great I looked it back up. 429 00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:14,920 Speaker 2: I was like, I totally forget about these plays. There's 430 00:18:14,960 --> 00:18:17,919 Speaker 2: so many hidden plays in a game that to forget 431 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 2: about but could really changed the whole momentum of everything. 432 00:18:20,920 --> 00:18:21,040 Speaker 4: Uh. 433 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:23,879 Speaker 2: I was at a neighbor's house watching that game, and 434 00:18:24,080 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 2: it's just, uh, it was really really a momentous, huge play. 435 00:18:28,640 --> 00:18:29,920 Speaker 1: And then on the backside of. 436 00:18:29,880 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 2: It, how about your brother being the first one there 437 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:34,479 Speaker 2: to kind of celebrate with you. It's just like, this 438 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:36,399 Speaker 2: is got to take you back to like little league 439 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 2: high school, where college and it's just like, man like, 440 00:18:39,800 --> 00:18:41,760 Speaker 2: we still just got each other's back. But it was 441 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:43,239 Speaker 2: so cool how y'all did it though, It was just 442 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:47,439 Speaker 2: like yeah, like yo, this is what we do. I 443 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 2: was just like, yo that, I mean, yeah. 444 00:18:49,280 --> 00:18:51,600 Speaker 1: It was a super like it was a real chill 445 00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,080 Speaker 1: ye key. 446 00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:55,200 Speaker 3: That was dope as hell, just because I remember us 447 00:18:55,280 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: in high school that used to call your name. We 448 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,640 Speaker 3: had our chest bump with our hands shake yeah all 449 00:18:59,640 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 3: in that. And I remember playing Pop Warner football. We 450 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 3: play early Sunday mornings and we'd wake up before the 451 00:19:05,040 --> 00:19:06,680 Speaker 3: game and we'd go outside and we'd go over all 452 00:19:06,680 --> 00:19:08,440 Speaker 3: the plays and we're throwing the ball, handing it all 453 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:11,440 Speaker 3: go So to think about from that moment, being ten 454 00:19:11,480 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 3: eleven years old and you're doing this and you're playing 455 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 3: on the same football field. We'd have the schedule with 456 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:18,879 Speaker 3: the little magnet on the refrigerator and we keep it 457 00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 3: tally of our touchdowns. One year we both ended up 458 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 3: with the same exact number. So from that point to 459 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,480 Speaker 3: playing alongside each other in the Super Bowl and him 460 00:19:27,520 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 3: being a captain and both being starters, like not just 461 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,960 Speaker 3: both on the team, but both being major contributors to 462 00:19:33,040 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 3: the team, it was it was just so cool. And 463 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:37,919 Speaker 3: we lived like walking distance away from each other. My 464 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 3: mom would come down, spend a week at my house, 465 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,320 Speaker 3: spend a week at his house. The kids. That was 466 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,640 Speaker 3: the first time in our lives. I had three kids 467 00:19:44,680 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 3: at the time. He had just had his second. That 468 00:19:46,680 --> 00:19:48,600 Speaker 3: was the first time for our kids that they were 469 00:19:48,640 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 3: able to be around each other because for the other part, 470 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:53,159 Speaker 3: I'm playing in one city, he's playing in another, and 471 00:19:53,200 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: then in the off season at that point you both 472 00:19:54,840 --> 00:19:57,040 Speaker 3: kind of have your lives going, so it's not I 473 00:19:57,119 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 3: stayed in Nashville wherever I was and he was in 474 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:02,159 Speaker 3: Boston in the So from a family perspective, it was 475 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 3: it was so cool. 476 00:20:03,680 --> 00:20:05,360 Speaker 1: That's yeah, that's just really deep. 477 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: That's really cool, just to be able to give us 478 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:09,920 Speaker 2: that insight and just like a whole snapshot of where 479 00:20:09,960 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 2: you guys were at in your life. 480 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: Yeah then versus now, you know what I mean. 481 00:20:14,680 --> 00:20:17,880 Speaker 2: Well, I was just saying, well, I was just thinking, well, 482 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 2: the family dynamic have you guys grown since you know 483 00:20:22,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 2: now that you're all done, because now do the kids 484 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 2: get to see each other more? 485 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 3: Is it? 486 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:28,159 Speaker 2: Or is that just a certain time where like the 487 00:20:28,240 --> 00:20:29,640 Speaker 2: cousins became best friends. 488 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: What do you think you cherish the most? 489 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 2: So you take away from that those couple of years 490 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 2: together as far as your brothers as relationship and then 491 00:20:37,600 --> 00:20:39,600 Speaker 2: also as your kids and families. 492 00:20:39,880 --> 00:20:42,479 Speaker 3: So our relationship was really cool because you think about it, 493 00:20:42,720 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 3: our entire lives we have been together, so obviously grow 494 00:20:45,800 --> 00:20:47,960 Speaker 3: up together. We decided to go to college together, so 495 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,439 Speaker 3: we were roommates at one point first year, and then 496 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 3: after that we were just in the same house. So 497 00:20:52,600 --> 00:20:55,160 Speaker 3: we've always been around each other. So then I get 498 00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 3: drafted the year before him, he redshirted it and then 499 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:00,480 Speaker 3: you think about it from that standpoint. I'm an NFL. 500 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 3: I'm doing my thing the Titans, Browns. He's in New England. 501 00:21:03,440 --> 00:21:05,640 Speaker 3: So now this is the course of nine years, we've 502 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:08,919 Speaker 3: both grown kind of a part in our own roles, right, 503 00:21:09,080 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 3: and now I get to New England and he's the guy. 504 00:21:11,560 --> 00:21:12,120 Speaker 1: He's the guy. 505 00:21:12,359 --> 00:21:15,960 Speaker 3: Is Bill's guys paid there, He's won two Super Bowls 506 00:21:16,320 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: and that's just that. That's my brother. So we're being 507 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 3: in me and room he'll say, so I'm like, hell, no, 508 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:22,880 Speaker 3: that's not right, and we'd be arguing in the meeting room. 509 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:25,359 Speaker 3: And at this point we're older than coaches. So that 510 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,320 Speaker 3: dynamic was really cool. And then off the field, both 511 00:21:28,359 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 3: of us as fathers and husbands at that time, and 512 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,479 Speaker 3: like I said in the beginning, when it came to football, 513 00:21:32,520 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 3: there's nobody's going to hold each other more accountable than 514 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 3: us two. So it could be a dynamic with your 515 00:21:37,320 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 3: wife and I'm just like, you're tripping on that you 516 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:41,200 Speaker 3: need you need to do X, Y and Z, or 517 00:21:41,240 --> 00:21:43,480 Speaker 3: if it's spending more time with like we would call 518 00:21:43,520 --> 00:21:45,439 Speaker 3: each other out on that. And now we were around 519 00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,639 Speaker 3: each other more to be able to really see it 520 00:21:47,960 --> 00:21:50,280 Speaker 3: on a day to day basis of what you're dealing with, 521 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 3: So that part of it was really cool. And then 522 00:21:52,560 --> 00:21:56,000 Speaker 3: our kids just they get along so well, and it's 523 00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 3: so funny. My youngest his oldest are just eleven days apart, 524 00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:01,959 Speaker 3: and they call him else twin cousins. Both of our 525 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: oldest are girls, and we watched him and now his 526 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,360 Speaker 3: daughter is four years younger than my daughter, and it's 527 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,200 Speaker 3: just like she's a younger version of my oldest more 528 00:22:10,240 --> 00:22:13,359 Speaker 3: than her little sister. Both of us have boys second, 529 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 3: so watching them to kind of grow up and argue, 530 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 3: there's a few years of partner. Now he has a 531 00:22:18,480 --> 00:22:21,280 Speaker 3: two year old, so we're now thirty minutes away from 532 00:22:21,280 --> 00:22:23,919 Speaker 3: each other. Both our kids play sports on the weekend, 533 00:22:24,200 --> 00:22:26,800 Speaker 3: he comes to all my son's game, brings the entire family, 534 00:22:26,840 --> 00:22:29,640 Speaker 3: then we hang out after. So that dynamic you can't 535 00:22:29,640 --> 00:22:31,840 Speaker 3: beat it. In special for us is we've been in 536 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 3: the same profession. Both of us are adult lives. So 537 00:22:34,480 --> 00:22:37,200 Speaker 3: football you talk about what you're going through and your 538 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: teammates are one thing, but having somebody, yo, what are 539 00:22:39,720 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 3: y'all doing out there? We remember we played games. I'm like, Yo, 540 00:22:42,400 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 3: what game plan are y'all using because ours looks trash. 541 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,760 Speaker 3: I need to go as coach, like can we implement this? 542 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 3: And now doing the media stuff. So I did it 543 00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,040 Speaker 3: all last year. Now he's jumping into it and the 544 00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:53,960 Speaker 3: whole time he'd be hitting me up as he's starting 545 00:22:54,200 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 3: his job with NBC. I'm like, bro, figure it out. 546 00:22:56,560 --> 00:22:57,840 Speaker 3: I had to figure it out last year. I don't 547 00:22:57,840 --> 00:22:59,520 Speaker 3: have nobody to hit up you and me all these 548 00:22:59,680 --> 00:23:01,679 Speaker 3: but like that part has been really special of us 549 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 3: being able to lean on each other throughout different aspects 550 00:23:04,280 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 3: in our lives. 551 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: That's dope. 552 00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:09,520 Speaker 2: So you played two more years, right, you played two 553 00:23:09,560 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 2: more years after you when your Super Bowl? At what 554 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 2: point in time did you feel like it was time 555 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:16,560 Speaker 2: to retire? And then when you did retire, how much 556 00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:17,480 Speaker 2: time did you take off? 557 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 3: Yeah? So we win that Super Bowl back, come back 558 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,880 Speaker 3: in twenty nineteen and feel great and we're number one 559 00:23:22,920 --> 00:23:26,119 Speaker 3: defense on New England and our secondary at the corner position, 560 00:23:26,200 --> 00:23:30,480 Speaker 3: it's myself, a young J. C. Jackson, Stefan Gilmour, John Jones, 561 00:23:30,600 --> 00:23:32,720 Speaker 3: and we got like a four man rotation with Gilly 562 00:23:32,760 --> 00:23:35,000 Speaker 3: didn't leave the field. He was the guy. He's still 563 00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:37,679 Speaker 3: other than that, no doubt about it. So it was 564 00:23:37,760 --> 00:23:39,840 Speaker 3: just a great vibe that I ended up getting hurt 565 00:23:40,119 --> 00:23:42,600 Speaker 3: finishing that year. I had a sports hernia. So then 566 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:44,399 Speaker 3: come back in twenty year, come back in twenty that 567 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 3: was my fourth one I had, so come back in 568 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,960 Speaker 3: twenty twenty, play that year and don't really feel like 569 00:23:49,080 --> 00:23:52,160 Speaker 3: myself make it through the year. And I remember going 570 00:23:52,200 --> 00:23:54,280 Speaker 3: to twenty one. Twenty twenty was my last year in 571 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,919 Speaker 3: New England and I'm a free agent and Bill's the 572 00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:58,520 Speaker 3: one thing with Bill, He's gonna be honest with you. 573 00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 3: He was just like, you know how we feel about 574 00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,919 Speaker 3: you here, but at this point, we're not looking to 575 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:04,920 Speaker 3: bring you back. At some point down the line, we may. 576 00:24:05,280 --> 00:24:08,160 Speaker 3: And then Miami calls with coach Flores, my DV coach 577 00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: Josh Boyer was a defensive coordinator there. I remember saying 578 00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:12,920 Speaker 3: to my wife, I was just like last year, it 579 00:24:13,000 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 3: just was my best year. I just if I'm gonna 580 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,400 Speaker 3: leave the game, I want to leave and feel good 581 00:24:16,400 --> 00:24:18,879 Speaker 3: about what I just put on tape and train my 582 00:24:18,880 --> 00:24:21,000 Speaker 3: butt off that off season to go to Miami, and 583 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:23,720 Speaker 3: we drafted Javon Holland in the second round, so I 584 00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 3: knew I was going there to be the guy for 585 00:24:25,920 --> 00:24:27,920 Speaker 3: a little while, and when we got the training camp, 586 00:24:27,960 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, yeah, he's gonna be good, so 587 00:24:30,880 --> 00:24:32,880 Speaker 3: get down there. And it's a chance to go hang 588 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 3: out in Miami for six months with my family. So 589 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:36,840 Speaker 3: it was great. And then I ended up doing a 590 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:39,360 Speaker 3: list frank on my foot and I remember limping off 591 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: the field We're playing against Atlanta, and I was like, 592 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,600 Speaker 3: that's it. I'm not going through a whole rehab process 593 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 3: to it, and so took time off because basically from 594 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,800 Speaker 3: the end of October, I was just home and once 595 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:54,119 Speaker 3: did the broadcast boot camp with the NFL, and different 596 00:24:54,200 --> 00:24:57,199 Speaker 3: job opportunities came. And once the job opportunities came, I 597 00:24:57,240 --> 00:24:59,600 Speaker 3: was just like, that's it. This is the next chapter 598 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:01,520 Speaker 3: in life and I'm gonna be able to walk right 599 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 3: into it. So announce my retirement one week and a 600 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:06,200 Speaker 3: week later announced that I was joining Good Morning Football. 601 00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:08,360 Speaker 1: And see that's what kind of happened with Peanut. 602 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 2: So Peanut literally they because when they offer you stuff 603 00:25:12,240 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 2: for when opportunities come up, got to take it. It's 604 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,640 Speaker 2: really hard to like, uh, maybe I'll come back. We're 605 00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 2: not a quarterback, you know what I mean. We might 606 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:21,280 Speaker 2: may not look the same. We might not look the 607 00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: part all the time. So you when you get when 608 00:25:24,080 --> 00:25:25,840 Speaker 2: it offered to you, you gotta got to take it, whether 609 00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:27,800 Speaker 2: you're ready for it or not, and you just got 610 00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,199 Speaker 2: to grab it and just go with it. Is that 611 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:33,040 Speaker 2: kind of the same advice that you were giving? And uh, 612 00:25:33,200 --> 00:25:34,720 Speaker 2: would you what would you kind of advice would you 613 00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:37,000 Speaker 2: give yourself? Looking back at it, would you change anything? 614 00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:41,159 Speaker 3: Definitely, wouldn't change anything. I think unique for myself. Courtland 615 00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:45,560 Speaker 3: Finigan was a mentor for me and coland Carolina. Okay, 616 00:25:45,680 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 3: that's that's my guy. 617 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,280 Speaker 1: We got some stories that we can tell offline. 618 00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, if you know Courtland or if you've played 619 00:25:51,920 --> 00:25:54,720 Speaker 3: against Courtland, you have stories because court Court's crazy. So 620 00:25:55,600 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: no doubt he So I remember talking to him when 621 00:25:58,640 --> 00:26:00,920 Speaker 3: he retired and Courtland was a set thrown draft pick 622 00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,520 Speaker 3: out of Stamford, and I remember asking him like, like, 623 00:26:03,560 --> 00:26:05,399 Speaker 3: how do you feel about it? And he was just 624 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,800 Speaker 3: like Jay when I came into the league, like the 625 00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 3: expectation I set forth for myself, he was like, I 626 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:13,359 Speaker 3: so far exceeded that that, Like, I have no regrets. 627 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 3: I loved everything about my career. And I remember going 628 00:26:16,240 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: into the league as a sixth rounder. And I remember 629 00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:20,719 Speaker 3: the first agent I ever talked to. He was like, yea, 630 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,600 Speaker 3: I'm gonna set you up with this gunner and we're 631 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:23,919 Speaker 3: going to teach you how to be a gunner in 632 00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 3: the league. 633 00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 1: And I was like, damn. 634 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:26,959 Speaker 3: I kind of hoping I could be a little bit 635 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 3: more than a gunner, you know what I mean. But 636 00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,040 Speaker 3: going in like my rookie year, I was like, yo, 637 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 3: if I could just make the team and play special 638 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 3: teams and figure it out from there. So to think 639 00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:39,040 Speaker 3: thirteen years later, a starter for eleven out of my 640 00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 3: thirteen years in the NFL won a super Bowl, it 641 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:42,639 Speaker 3: was like when it was time to hang him up, 642 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 3: I was just like, job well done. And I was 643 00:26:44,840 --> 00:26:47,720 Speaker 3: a guy that I wasn't immensely talented where I could 644 00:26:47,760 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 3: just show up and be better than guys. So like 645 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 3: I put to work in so it was just like 646 00:26:51,200 --> 00:26:52,840 Speaker 3: when it was said to be done, it was just 647 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,919 Speaker 3: like I gave the thing all I had and it 648 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,359 Speaker 3: was the same exact thing, those job opportunities. And I 649 00:26:58,359 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 3: remember talking to Chris Holpe and other guy was my 650 00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: other mentor, and the one thing he told me I 651 00:27:03,080 --> 00:27:05,199 Speaker 3: thought about retiring when I left Tennessee, it's just that 652 00:27:05,320 --> 00:27:07,920 Speaker 3: newness of having to switch teams. Chris Hope, yep, Chris 653 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 3: Hope and Safety from Florida State, Florida, CA. Was one 654 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: was the Steelers, was with Troy Polamalo got paid and 655 00:27:14,800 --> 00:27:16,879 Speaker 3: Tennessee was a Super Bowl champ as well, and he 656 00:27:16,960 --> 00:27:19,440 Speaker 3: was like J Mack in Country from South Carolina. He said, 657 00:27:19,440 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 3: the one thing I'm gonna tell you, when you lead 658 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:23,840 Speaker 3: a game, that's it. There's no turning back. There's no 659 00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:26,480 Speaker 3: pickup league to go put your equipment on and go play. 660 00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 3: He was like, if you play basketball, you can go 661 00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,879 Speaker 3: to the local. Why there's softball game? He was like 662 00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,199 Speaker 3: when football, when it's done, is done. So he's like, 663 00:27:33,320 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 3: just make sure you're you're secure with that. And I was. 664 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:38,040 Speaker 3: And people asked me over this past year and a 665 00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: half of like do you miss it? And I was like, 666 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,439 Speaker 3: you missed the guys, you missed the conversations. I was like, 667 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 3: but I look down on that field like, no, I 668 00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 3: don't miss that. I see a big hit. I'm just 669 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 3: like that looks like it heard. Yeah, I want no 670 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 3: parts of that anymore. So, Yeah, there was no regrets. 671 00:27:51,840 --> 00:27:53,280 Speaker 3: I was done when I walked off the field. 672 00:27:54,080 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: See, that's exactly I was. 673 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 2: I want to go back though, because this really I 674 00:27:58,000 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 2: didn't know something about you and your brother. 675 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:01,960 Speaker 1: And that's that you guys. 676 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 2: First of all, he was the one that a lot 677 00:28:04,320 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 2: of teams wanted to come out of high school. 678 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:07,760 Speaker 1: Correct I was, I was more than him. 679 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 3: You were more than him, and not by a lot. 680 00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:10,520 Speaker 1: And not by a lot. 681 00:28:11,280 --> 00:28:13,359 Speaker 2: And how does it feel with all of a sudden 682 00:28:13,520 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: is there a conversation that had this competition where it's 683 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,640 Speaker 2: like you kind of check the box when he gets 684 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:18,400 Speaker 2: rid chirded. 685 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: And you don't. 686 00:28:19,000 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 2: Oh, I tell him all the time because I didn't 687 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: know that until you said it earlier. And I was like, 688 00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:26,640 Speaker 2: he still owes me money. I had three offers coming 689 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:29,200 Speaker 2: out of high school. He had one double A offers 690 00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 2: at the time. 691 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 3: So I was in New Hampshire, the Housers and all 692 00:28:31,760 --> 00:28:35,200 Speaker 3: of those schools, and Rutgers essentially offered him to try 693 00:28:35,240 --> 00:28:37,880 Speaker 3: to get both of us to go. And it's funny, 694 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:41,280 Speaker 3: just a short story. So we go on our visit 695 00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:43,840 Speaker 3: and Rutgers offers him and I had a visit to 696 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 3: Boston College as well. Dev commits asat no so he did. 697 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:49,440 Speaker 3: That was his only one a offer. He was like, well, 698 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,800 Speaker 3: if that's what you're doing, I'm coming. I'm committing right now. 699 00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 3: Darren Rizzy, who's a special teams coach in New Orleans, 700 00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 3: he was a guy who recruited us two Rutgers. I 701 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,000 Speaker 3: just was talking to him this past week and he 702 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:04,000 Speaker 3: said when Dev committed our head coach at the time, 703 00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,080 Speaker 3: Greg Shanno. He said him and Greg were in the 704 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 3: car and he was just like, we got duped. We 705 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 3: got duped. We wanted the cow, we got the cat, 706 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: we got the other one. That's not the one we wanted. 707 00:29:13,440 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 3: And you know, coaching, that's how that's what it is. 708 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: That's what it is, exactly fast forward. It all worked out. 709 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,320 Speaker 3: But I got there for him, and then I ended 710 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,840 Speaker 3: up getting drafted the year before him, and I go 711 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:28,120 Speaker 3: in the sixth round. But I make the team. I 712 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 3: start a few games. I showed a little bit of promise. 713 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:32,560 Speaker 3: I wasn't a world beater. Then he comes out the 714 00:29:32,600 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 3: next year, he goes twenty seventh overall, and I'm just like, bro, 715 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,760 Speaker 3: if you think about me getting in the bloodline a 716 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:41,440 Speaker 3: whole I kind of help. I'm still waiting for. He 717 00:29:41,480 --> 00:29:42,720 Speaker 3: went to the Pro Bowl. I had to pay my 718 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 3: own way to Hawaii. He nothing. He was like, brother, 719 00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,080 Speaker 3: come on, you know we got other family members. I 720 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 3: got to help him out. You good, you gotta check so. 721 00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,240 Speaker 3: But it's always been like that. And I remember in 722 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,440 Speaker 3: college he struggled with In high school, he struggled with 723 00:29:57,480 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 3: that when he felt like Rutgers was only offering him me, 724 00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,480 Speaker 3: he wasn't gonna go. And I remember when my mom 725 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 3: sat us down and she said, at some point in 726 00:30:05,200 --> 00:30:06,960 Speaker 3: both of you guys lives, you're gonna need to lean 727 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,080 Speaker 3: on each other. Dev if you got to ride Jay's 728 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 3: coattails to get there and get there. Once you get 729 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:13,520 Speaker 3: there is your opportunity to show them what you can do. 730 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 3: And that's what he did. 731 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that. 732 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:20,240 Speaker 2: What would you give your grade now that you're in 733 00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:24,760 Speaker 2: the Media Broadcast boot camp when you first started out? 734 00:30:25,080 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 2: And what would you grade yourself now today of how 735 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 2: you're doing it. 736 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:30,440 Speaker 3: I'm a confident guy, so I'm giving myself an A. I'm 737 00:30:30,440 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 3: saying I'm showing up and I'm ready to go. I 738 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:35,680 Speaker 3: would say early on, probably a C. And in my mind, 739 00:30:35,680 --> 00:30:37,160 Speaker 3: if you would have asked me, I would have told 740 00:30:37,200 --> 00:30:39,600 Speaker 3: you I'm probably a b plus I'm scratching it. But 741 00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:42,120 Speaker 3: like early on, you have no idea what you're doing. 742 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:43,880 Speaker 3: You're trying to figure it out, so you don't even 743 00:30:43,920 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 3: know that you're not that good. You feel like, oh, 744 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 3: I just gave him one the hell of a sound 745 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:49,720 Speaker 3: bite right there with that last thing I thought of 746 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,520 Speaker 3: last night. But in reality and just it's a lot 747 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 3: you're reading off the prompter. I remember getting there at 748 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,959 Speaker 3: the boot camp and they were like, you guys are 749 00:30:56,960 --> 00:30:58,760 Speaker 3: gonna call a game for radio. You're gonna call a 750 00:30:58,760 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 3: game for TV totally interview, and I was like, you said, 751 00:31:02,280 --> 00:31:04,520 Speaker 3: we gotta call it game. It was just like I 752 00:31:04,520 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 3: didn't even think about that, and then you do it. 753 00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 3: I was just like that was awesome. Like I love 754 00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 3: the feeling of doing it, but I'm not good. But 755 00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,600 Speaker 3: in mind, you're like you can bring so much. I'm 756 00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,040 Speaker 3: a former player, and you learn that there's people that, 757 00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 3: whether they played or not, like this is their profession 758 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 3: and they know what they know what the hell they're doing. 759 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 3: And being all that show last year was so cool 760 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:26,200 Speaker 3: because sitting to the right of me, Jamie Erdall has 761 00:31:26,240 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 3: been doing TV for such a long time, did Sidelines 762 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:32,320 Speaker 3: and SEC for eight years. Kyle Brandt was an executive 763 00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 3: producer on Jim Rome Show, then got the Good Morning Football. 764 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: He's been doing it for over a decade. Schrager, he's 765 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:40,000 Speaker 3: been for over a decade. Was at side, and then 766 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,960 Speaker 3: it was at Fox doing sideline studio stuff and I 767 00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:45,520 Speaker 3: got to watch them and that's when I really realized 768 00:31:45,520 --> 00:31:47,640 Speaker 3: that I got a lot to I'm trying to keep 769 00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,480 Speaker 3: up with the other three co host on the show, 770 00:31:49,800 --> 00:31:52,680 Speaker 3: and it was as a you know, we love so 771 00:31:52,720 --> 00:31:54,280 Speaker 3: it was just like I would see them do something, 772 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 3: I got to figure out how to do that, and 773 00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:57,600 Speaker 3: you just get better and better. And then I think 774 00:31:57,720 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 3: the other side of it is just comfort. You get 775 00:31:59,640 --> 00:32:01,840 Speaker 3: comfortab being in front of the camera. You get comfortable 776 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 3: reading off the prompter. When we first started to show that, 777 00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,640 Speaker 3: it was like the first Monday after or whatever it 778 00:32:06,680 --> 00:32:09,480 Speaker 3: was Monday after preseason, was like we're reading highlights. I 779 00:32:09,520 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 3: was like, I gotta read highlights. I was like, I 780 00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:12,800 Speaker 3: know what told me. 781 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:14,320 Speaker 1: I'm just here for the color. 782 00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:18,720 Speaker 3: You know, you're just learning as you go. So and 783 00:32:18,760 --> 00:32:20,600 Speaker 3: people tell me that all the time, even my mom, 784 00:32:20,640 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 3: my mother in law, They're like, oh, you just look 785 00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:25,120 Speaker 3: so much more comfortable some of those relationships. 786 00:32:25,160 --> 00:32:26,800 Speaker 2: When did you When did you feel that though? When 787 00:32:26,800 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: did you feel that comfort? Because we had Nate. We 788 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,440 Speaker 2: had Nate borson on the show and he was like, yeah, 789 00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,640 Speaker 2: you know, I was kind of wearing these suits and 790 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 2: I was just real tight, and it just I wasn't myself. 791 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,320 Speaker 2: I finally just went home he got his own suits 792 00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,200 Speaker 2: and was just like, yo, I think I'm ready now, 793 00:32:42,240 --> 00:32:43,520 Speaker 2: and he was like for him, it was just like 794 00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,200 Speaker 2: a light bulb that just went off, and it was 795 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,640 Speaker 2: just this calming presence. It's like, boom, I'm gonna call, 796 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:50,480 Speaker 2: I'm I'm gonna do the news. Like was there was 797 00:32:50,520 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 2: there a moment when you just like, you know what, 798 00:32:53,040 --> 00:32:56,000 Speaker 2: this is football? I got this relaxed. 799 00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:58,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And then just when did you When did you 800 00:32:58,600 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 1: know that? 801 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:01,320 Speaker 3: I would say probably about the football season. So I 802 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,000 Speaker 3: started at the end of July and it's just the repetitions, 803 00:33:04,040 --> 00:33:06,480 Speaker 3: like you do the show every day for three hours. 804 00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,000 Speaker 3: So by the middle of the season, it was just 805 00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:11,360 Speaker 3: like now I know what to expect. Yeah, and the 806 00:33:11,400 --> 00:33:13,160 Speaker 3: tough thing, like you mentioned Nate, like that was the 807 00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:15,240 Speaker 3: hardest part of like you go on that show for 808 00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 3: me and Jamie, Nate and k were phenomenal, Like this 809 00:33:19,520 --> 00:33:22,480 Speaker 3: show started with them and the two people Peter and 810 00:33:22,520 --> 00:33:24,840 Speaker 3: Kyle are still there and them two lead and when 811 00:33:24,840 --> 00:33:26,760 Speaker 3: you first started the show, you're going, you know, you 812 00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,960 Speaker 3: can't go on social media, but this show sucks without 813 00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:32,400 Speaker 3: Nigga k So like you're trying to live up to 814 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,160 Speaker 3: people that were really good at their job who set 815 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,640 Speaker 3: the table, and then that's what By mid season, it 816 00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:39,360 Speaker 3: was just like the hell with all that, I'm just 817 00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:41,640 Speaker 3: gonna go be myself and wherever that leaves me, it 818 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:44,440 Speaker 3: leaves me. And it's kind of an advantage because for us, 819 00:33:44,680 --> 00:33:47,160 Speaker 3: your first dream, like for me was playing football, and 820 00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,000 Speaker 3: I did that and I got to accomplish a lifelong dream. 821 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 3: This is just like, all right, this is a developing 822 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 3: passion that if I sucked and I just need to 823 00:33:54,640 --> 00:33:56,840 Speaker 3: find something different to do. But for right now, I'm 824 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: just gonna practice it, go out there and perform my 825 00:33:59,120 --> 00:34:00,000 Speaker 3: best and see where that put. 826 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:00,520 Speaker 1: You know. 827 00:34:00,600 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 2: I love also staying in at this vein. I love 828 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:08,560 Speaker 2: Good Morning America, the football just because you guys are 829 00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:09,520 Speaker 2: highly entertaining. 830 00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,200 Speaker 3: Just got Kyle Brant, It's to me, he's. 831 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:17,080 Speaker 1: Intense. I know, he's a diur. 832 00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:18,920 Speaker 2: Buffalo fans and maybe it has to do with something too, 833 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 2: But this guy is off the chain. 834 00:34:21,080 --> 00:34:23,560 Speaker 1: What's it like working in that type of environment where not. 835 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 2: Every some some some stations are more conservative than others. 836 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 2: But it seems like on this one they really let 837 00:34:28,920 --> 00:34:31,280 Speaker 2: you guys cut up, you guys have fun, and really 838 00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 2: does that help we calm the nerves and get into 839 00:34:33,960 --> 00:34:35,479 Speaker 2: the place where you are now? 840 00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,839 Speaker 3: Oh, it definitely helps. And I compare it to we're 841 00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:40,799 Speaker 3: used to being in the locker room, like being in 842 00:34:40,840 --> 00:34:43,960 Speaker 3: a dB room, you're used to having your DB's around you. 843 00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, we joke more than anybody. 844 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: And that's where you see after we're on the show 845 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 3: for a while, Like now that I know Kyle, like 846 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 3: I know, we know, we can say anything all to 847 00:34:53,239 --> 00:34:56,600 Speaker 3: each other because it's not personal. We're entertaining. But that's 848 00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:58,719 Speaker 3: the cool thing to is your point, Like Kyle is 849 00:34:58,760 --> 00:35:01,279 Speaker 3: so creative, Like we'll see there and you'll say something, 850 00:35:01,320 --> 00:35:03,520 Speaker 3: he'll come with a rebuttal and you'll be like, damn, 851 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,600 Speaker 3: you just thought of that. And because our shows every 852 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,120 Speaker 3: day and we do it so early in the month, 853 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 3: like we don't rehearse, so you put in maybe some 854 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:12,480 Speaker 3: of your answers. A lot of answers like I want 855 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 3: to wait and do it on the show to see 856 00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 3: have everybody. Oh, So, it's so cool being in that environment. 857 00:35:18,160 --> 00:35:20,000 Speaker 3: It's not just the four of us at the table, 858 00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:23,000 Speaker 3: it's everybody behind the scenes. And I think sometimes when 859 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:25,759 Speaker 3: we leave the game, guys have trouble transition into the 860 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,279 Speaker 3: next thing. I think for me, I've been blessed that 861 00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 3: you leave a huge locker room with seventy guys in 862 00:35:31,239 --> 00:35:33,439 Speaker 3: and then you have to support staff, and now I've 863 00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:36,240 Speaker 3: just walked into a smaller locker room from the people 864 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:39,160 Speaker 3: behind the cameras to That was the thing early on 865 00:35:39,200 --> 00:35:40,920 Speaker 3: for me where I say, get to the middle of 866 00:35:40,960 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 3: the season. Now when you're in there, you're not like 867 00:35:43,120 --> 00:35:45,880 Speaker 3: waving someone down. You're just like to the camera, to 868 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:48,080 Speaker 3: the stage man, hey Danny, can you help me with this? 869 00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 3: Or to hey Connor. You know people's names and how 870 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:53,239 Speaker 3: there's relationships. You know a little bit about their why. 871 00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,880 Speaker 3: And I think that's the coolest thing of building that 872 00:35:55,920 --> 00:35:58,160 Speaker 3: comfort of now it means something to you when you 873 00:35:58,200 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 3: know the people you're. 874 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:00,800 Speaker 1: Working man, that's so cool and so true. 875 00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:04,760 Speaker 2: I got my gig with ESPN SEC Network during COVID 876 00:36:05,520 --> 00:36:07,759 Speaker 2: and so like, I worked for a whole year and 877 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:08,959 Speaker 2: didn't even see nobody's face. 878 00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:12,040 Speaker 1: Tough. It was like weird because you have no personal Relationshipah. 879 00:36:12,080 --> 00:36:13,759 Speaker 2: The people I worked with on my show were all 880 00:36:13,760 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 2: weay remote, so you don't build that chemistry. And it 881 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,480 Speaker 2: literally took me a year and a half two years 882 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 2: before I was like, oh so I do know this person, Yes, 883 00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,080 Speaker 2: and I do know. I can't just talk they are 884 00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:27,600 Speaker 2: rooting for me. I don't know who they are behind 885 00:36:27,600 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 2: the mask. So I totally get it when people don't 886 00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:32,239 Speaker 2: recognize us when we have a helmet on, because I 887 00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:33,400 Speaker 2: was in that position. 888 00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:35,800 Speaker 3: No doubt about it. And you'll never Ben right, yes, 889 00:36:35,880 --> 00:36:38,600 Speaker 3: so and he's on Ben Watson. I remember got a 890 00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:40,360 Speaker 3: chance to play with Ben. Ben was probably forty is 891 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:44,120 Speaker 3: last year in New England, and I remember looking at 892 00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:47,080 Speaker 3: him and for us myself, Dev and then Matthew Slater 893 00:36:47,440 --> 00:36:49,160 Speaker 3: like he was the guy. So it was just like 894 00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:51,560 Speaker 3: and it wasn't just who Ben was on the football field, 895 00:36:51,600 --> 00:36:53,160 Speaker 3: but it was just like who he was as a person. 896 00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,279 Speaker 1: My man, just no better, you know what I mean. 897 00:36:55,360 --> 00:36:57,520 Speaker 3: So it's so cool and to that point when you 898 00:36:57,560 --> 00:37:00,000 Speaker 3: work with people like that, it just makes it an enjoyable experience. 899 00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:01,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, So what do you want to take 900 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:02,320 Speaker 1: this career next. 901 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,320 Speaker 3: I don't know people asking that, and to be honest, 902 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 3: sorry I haven't asked. 903 00:37:07,280 --> 00:37:07,440 Speaker 1: No. 904 00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:10,520 Speaker 3: It's a great question. Like I sit down, you talk 905 00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:12,560 Speaker 3: to your agent, like, well, what's next. We want to 906 00:37:12,560 --> 00:37:14,880 Speaker 3: help you get down. I'm like, I don't know. I'm 907 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 3: still figuring this out. Like this year, I'm calling games 908 00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 3: for CBS as well doing something for radio for Westwood One. 909 00:37:20,719 --> 00:37:23,480 Speaker 3: That's a new journey. I'm enjoying that as well. So 910 00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:25,279 Speaker 3: I'm just kind of taking them as they come. I 911 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,920 Speaker 3: didn't expect when I got hired for Good Morning Football 912 00:37:27,960 --> 00:37:29,160 Speaker 3: was all right, I'm going to do this for the 913 00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:31,359 Speaker 3: next however many years and see what happens. And then 914 00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:33,879 Speaker 3: Westwood One called about doing games on radio. Then this year, 915 00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:36,400 Speaker 3: CBS call and it's just like, man, I still got 916 00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 3: a wife and three kids. So even figuring out all 917 00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 3: of that dynamic, because like we started this thing off, 918 00:37:41,239 --> 00:37:43,759 Speaker 3: when opportunities come, it's hard to say no because there's 919 00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 3: no guarantee that it's coming back around. 920 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:50,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, so legacy is big, right, I had a great career. 921 00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 2: We do this thing, right, now you know, we do 922 00:37:53,000 --> 00:37:55,879 Speaker 2: our media thing right, And I have four kids. He's 923 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,800 Speaker 2: got four kids, and I'm always trying to show my 924 00:37:57,920 --> 00:38:00,920 Speaker 2: kids that I'm trying to do something. I went back 925 00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:02,279 Speaker 2: and got a degree. I want them to know that 926 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,040 Speaker 2: I'm always learning and growing. 927 00:38:04,560 --> 00:38:06,479 Speaker 1: I'm not too old to learn something new. 928 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:10,440 Speaker 2: You know, with your with your career, with winning the 929 00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 2: Super Bowl, and now you're getting into the media, what 930 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:14,160 Speaker 2: do you think you want. 931 00:38:14,000 --> 00:38:16,120 Speaker 1: Your legacy to be to your three kids? 932 00:38:16,200 --> 00:38:19,000 Speaker 3: Man, it's so funny you say that when I retire, 933 00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:21,080 Speaker 3: and in I play. We played long enough and you 934 00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,680 Speaker 3: can make enough money where you're just all right, I 935 00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,680 Speaker 3: can take some time off. And I remember my time 936 00:38:25,719 --> 00:38:27,920 Speaker 3: in Miami. My last year, we had a player development 937 00:38:27,960 --> 00:38:30,839 Speaker 3: guy by the name of Caleb Thornhill Elite, like one 938 00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,000 Speaker 3: of the best people I've been around, and he put 939 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,520 Speaker 3: on a business combine for players in the offseason. So 940 00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 3: he would bring you in there for three days and 941 00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,040 Speaker 3: be at a hotel room. We're in a ballroom. He'd 942 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,200 Speaker 3: bring in venture capital people, real estate people, all types 943 00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,279 Speaker 3: of different backgrounds. He'd put these people in front of 944 00:38:46,360 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 3: us and we'd get to ask some questions. We do 945 00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 3: workshop different things I remember there was an angel investor 946 00:38:51,080 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 3: there worth sixty million dollars, and I can't remember what 947 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:56,040 Speaker 3: country it was from. But he talked about him and 948 00:38:56,040 --> 00:38:58,839 Speaker 3: his sister growing up and bombs being dropped on them 949 00:38:58,880 --> 00:39:01,680 Speaker 3: and then running for cover and that was his childhood. 950 00:39:01,800 --> 00:39:04,319 Speaker 3: And he talked about now being able to provide more 951 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,360 Speaker 3: for his kids. And I remember asking him the question. 952 00:39:06,760 --> 00:39:09,040 Speaker 3: I was just like, you talk about your childhood, of 953 00:39:09,080 --> 00:39:10,839 Speaker 3: what it was like and how it made you into 954 00:39:10,880 --> 00:39:12,719 Speaker 3: who you are and helped you to get to where 955 00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,399 Speaker 3: you're at now. You have children who are growing up 956 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 3: vastly different. They're not in the struggle, they're not in 957 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:21,480 Speaker 3: any type of struggle. They might be on private planes, 958 00:39:21,520 --> 00:39:24,040 Speaker 3: the whole nine. How do you instill in them a 959 00:39:24,160 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 3: work ethic? And what he told me was like, I 960 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,320 Speaker 3: want to show them that I'm working, that this stuff 961 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,520 Speaker 3: doesn't just appear. He said, I'd buy a company and 962 00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:35,920 Speaker 3: I'd rent an apartment across the street, and my kids 963 00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:38,279 Speaker 3: would come over to the office every single day and 964 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:41,800 Speaker 3: they'd see Daddy doing work in meetings on the phone. 965 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:44,160 Speaker 3: And he said that was important to him. And when 966 00:39:44,160 --> 00:39:47,319 Speaker 3: I retired, that kind of wrung truth for me of 967 00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:49,839 Speaker 3: my kids. They're still young. My oldest is just ten. 968 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,359 Speaker 3: So the football thing they know I played, They were 969 00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 3: at games, but it doesn't really register. So now for 970 00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:57,479 Speaker 3: them to be able to see me, it doesn't matter 971 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:59,520 Speaker 3: what I'm doing, doesn't matter how much money I'm making, 972 00:40:00,160 --> 00:40:01,719 Speaker 3: Just to know that you live in this house, you 973 00:40:01,760 --> 00:40:04,399 Speaker 3: have food on the table because somebody leaves the house 974 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 3: and goes to work and provides it for you. That's 975 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:08,520 Speaker 3: what I want for them. I want them to know 976 00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,040 Speaker 3: that if you want something, you can achieve it, but 977 00:40:11,120 --> 00:40:13,120 Speaker 3: you have to put the work, and anything worth having 978 00:40:13,120 --> 00:40:15,400 Speaker 3: it's going to take hard work, blood, sweat and tears. 979 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,000 Speaker 3: And I think that, for me is the biggest thing 980 00:40:17,040 --> 00:40:17,839 Speaker 3: I want to leave them with. 981 00:40:18,560 --> 00:40:19,359 Speaker 1: I see, I love that. 982 00:40:19,400 --> 00:40:22,120 Speaker 2: You make me feel better because I'm always like, man, 983 00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:23,480 Speaker 2: my kids ain't struggling enough. 984 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:25,399 Speaker 1: They got it too easy. And man, one of these 985 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:26,839 Speaker 1: mother joke is hungry. 986 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:31,640 Speaker 3: You know a certain way, and it's just like they 987 00:40:31,640 --> 00:40:33,319 Speaker 3: don't have that, and you're like, how do I how 988 00:40:33,360 --> 00:40:36,280 Speaker 3: do I still put that in there? And it's funny. 989 00:40:36,320 --> 00:40:38,920 Speaker 3: My son now is playing football. It's called flex football, 990 00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 3: so they wear full paths, but it's still flag and 991 00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:45,680 Speaker 3: it's so funny like that. It's awesome, Like I'm coaching 992 00:40:45,719 --> 00:40:48,600 Speaker 3: them the whole nine and seeing him how much better 993 00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:50,640 Speaker 3: he's gotten. And he'll tell you that he was like 994 00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:52,719 Speaker 3: in the beginning, Daddy, I wasn't good, but now I 995 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 3: feel like I'm the best player on the team. So 996 00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,399 Speaker 3: for him to think that, like I can go work 997 00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,600 Speaker 3: hard and get better, I'm like, now we just need 998 00:40:58,640 --> 00:40:59,960 Speaker 3: to transition that into every aspect. 999 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:03,520 Speaker 1: Love it. Yeah, yeah, that's dope. Dope. So I guess 1000 00:41:03,560 --> 00:41:06,640 Speaker 1: my next question is I follow this these these triplets 1001 00:41:06,680 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: on uh on Instagram. 1002 00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,920 Speaker 2: They it's like three separate pillars and one guy will 1003 00:41:11,920 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 2: come out of the pillar and he'll walk by a 1004 00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:16,480 Speaker 2: woman and she'll oh, excuse me. And then the second 1005 00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,480 Speaker 2: triplet will come out and walk by the woman and 1006 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:21,759 Speaker 2: she's like, oh wait, and then she'll do a double take. 1007 00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:24,640 Speaker 2: And then by the third one, the third time, the 1008 00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,800 Speaker 2: dude will come out and he was, you know, bumping 1009 00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:30,279 Speaker 2: to the chicken. She's like, wait, what the what the hell? 1010 00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,520 Speaker 2: What's They were dressing like, uh, like black and white 1011 00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:36,600 Speaker 2: suits and they looked like mister h They look like 1012 00:41:36,600 --> 00:41:37,920 Speaker 2: the agents on the matrix. 1013 00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:41,319 Speaker 1: And he would say, mister Anderson and the dude was like, 1014 00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: what the like you was tripped out right? 1015 00:41:43,800 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 2: Please tell me you have some kind of a crazy 1016 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 2: story that you and Dev like played a trick on somebody. 1017 00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:52,160 Speaker 3: You know. The crazy thing is anybody close to us 1018 00:41:52,200 --> 00:41:55,279 Speaker 3: has always known us apart. So I remember early on in. 1019 00:41:55,200 --> 00:41:57,520 Speaker 2: College, give me the clue. So, what's the easiest way 1020 00:41:57,600 --> 00:41:58,560 Speaker 2: to tell you guys apart? 1021 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,120 Speaker 3: So his face is fatter than mine if we're sitting 1022 00:42:01,160 --> 00:42:02,680 Speaker 3: right here, and we'll be able to tell right off 1023 00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,040 Speaker 3: when we're together, I think. So yeah, as kids, I 1024 00:42:07,040 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 3: can look at a kid picture and I don't know 1025 00:42:08,400 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 3: who the hell is like I have to have to 1026 00:42:10,560 --> 00:42:15,080 Speaker 3: ask me. But I remember when I first started dating 1027 00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:17,640 Speaker 3: my wife and she came. She was coming over, and 1028 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:19,440 Speaker 3: Dev was like, I'm gonna go answer the door. And 1029 00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,359 Speaker 3: as soon as he answered the door, she was just like, 1030 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:23,200 Speaker 3: what's up, deaf? She was like, your neck is fatter 1031 00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,120 Speaker 3: than Jay's. So it was just like it was always 1032 00:42:27,960 --> 00:42:30,680 Speaker 3: in New England. No Bill couldn't tell us apart at all, like, 1033 00:42:30,880 --> 00:42:32,680 Speaker 3: and Dev had been there for so long he would 1034 00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,319 Speaker 3: just call me death and training camp. We'd wear the 1035 00:42:35,320 --> 00:42:40,720 Speaker 3: same exact thing, same sleeve, same everything. And you guys 1036 00:42:40,960 --> 00:42:44,280 Speaker 3: you have to wear the same sleeping thing every day. 1037 00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,279 Speaker 3: I know you're twins, but we've never been able to 1038 00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,799 Speaker 3: like really fool. So when we tried it in elementary 1039 00:42:49,840 --> 00:42:52,000 Speaker 3: school and one of our friends yelled it out before 1040 00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,279 Speaker 3: the teacher, we've never been able to do like the 1041 00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 3: full on heist and fool somebody in my mom. Really, 1042 00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 3: you can ask my mom. She said, I could tell 1043 00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:04,880 Speaker 3: them from the back of their heads. So you we 1044 00:43:04,880 --> 00:43:06,919 Speaker 3: were never able. We said one day, like, I'm gonna 1045 00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:09,239 Speaker 3: have him just walk into Good Morning Football and do 1046 00:43:09,400 --> 00:43:11,560 Speaker 3: and do a show and see. So I'm gonna hope 1047 00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,960 Speaker 3: maybe he'll let me get to NBC and expand my 1048 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,839 Speaker 3: my portfolio too, so we'll see that. I like that. 1049 00:43:16,960 --> 00:43:19,920 Speaker 1: I like that. But like those that know no always. 1050 00:43:19,520 --> 00:43:22,520 Speaker 3: Exactly always, it'll be interesting when you guys get a 1051 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,239 Speaker 3: chance to meet them, when you'll walk in and y'all 1052 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:30,120 Speaker 3: be like, oh no, I said, you know what exactly. 1053 00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,120 Speaker 1: Little little little little details. 1054 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, that's funny though that Bill like just never 1055 00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,239 Speaker 2: how about your TV coach you could he tail yeah. 1056 00:43:39,120 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 3: Yeah and uh. In college, Shannel called us twins. A 1057 00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,400 Speaker 3: lot of guys on the team called it like if 1058 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:45,760 Speaker 3: you try you can tell us apart. But I remember 1059 00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,160 Speaker 3: for coaches. I remember Shannel had identical twins, and he 1060 00:43:49,200 --> 00:43:51,320 Speaker 3: said early on, I couldn't tell them apart, just because 1061 00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 3: you know coaches, they live in a facility. 1062 00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:56,359 Speaker 1: The whole nine, y'all sound the same note. 1063 00:43:56,400 --> 00:43:58,560 Speaker 2: Didn't you like answer the phone call when he talk 1064 00:43:58,680 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 2: I was drafting drink? 1065 00:44:00,120 --> 00:44:03,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, he gets in for him, he was waiting for 1066 00:44:03,560 --> 00:44:05,239 Speaker 3: so long to get drafted. At the end of the 1067 00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 3: first round. He was nervous, I guess at the end 1068 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,200 Speaker 3: of the first round, so he said he had to 1069 00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:10,560 Speaker 3: go to the bath. I think he just needed a 1070 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:12,640 Speaker 3: moment to get away, because I guess it is like 1071 00:44:12,680 --> 00:44:13,840 Speaker 3: when for me, when. 1072 00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,960 Speaker 1: You're told you're gonna be a first you know you're 1073 00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,520 Speaker 1: just chilling draft. 1074 00:44:18,239 --> 00:44:20,479 Speaker 3: For him, he was a tweiner in the first round, 1075 00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,560 Speaker 3: second round, so as a first round started to get 1076 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:24,920 Speaker 3: to the end and there's trades going on, and next thing, 1077 00:44:24,920 --> 00:44:27,120 Speaker 3: you know, his phone rings and it's mister Kraft and 1078 00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:28,799 Speaker 3: I answer it. So I'm like, hey, how you doing? 1079 00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,239 Speaker 3: He said, Hey, Devin, we want to let you know what. 1080 00:44:30,560 --> 00:44:32,839 Speaker 3: I'm like, Oh, I'm so excited, blah blah blah. He's 1081 00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:34,480 Speaker 3: all right, I just acted to be here. This is 1082 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 3: this is natural for us. I could have walked there 1083 00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:38,319 Speaker 3: and somebody could have been like, yo, dev I would 1084 00:44:38,320 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 3: have turned around. I'm like, now I'm his brother. But 1085 00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 3: I'm just so used to being called both names. So 1086 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:44,920 Speaker 3: he was all right, we're gonna put coach Belichick on 1087 00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,120 Speaker 3: the phone. At this time. That was after my rookie year. 1088 00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:50,600 Speaker 3: Any story about Bill is like, he's scary, So I run. 1089 00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,759 Speaker 3: I'm like, you got drafted. You got drafted. So I'm 1090 00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 3: the one who answered. So I told mister Craft like, 1091 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,719 Speaker 3: in reality, he still owes me a signing bonus because 1092 00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,120 Speaker 3: he did draft me. It has never got that original contract. 1093 00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:05,640 Speaker 1: So all right. Now, I've also heard you're big into donuts. 1094 00:45:05,880 --> 00:45:06,680 Speaker 3: I love donuts. 1095 00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,840 Speaker 1: Sprinkles are non sprinkles. You give me the sprinkles. 1096 00:45:10,000 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 3: Sprinkles vanilla frost and strawberry frosted either one rainbow sprinkles 1097 00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:18,520 Speaker 3: on not the chocolate. Okay, donuts though, like what just 1098 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:22,719 Speaker 3: like I'm not a kate guy. Donuts, cookies or ice cream, 1099 00:45:22,760 --> 00:45:24,080 Speaker 3: those are the only desserts I'll eat. 1100 00:45:24,120 --> 00:45:27,479 Speaker 2: Like kind of ice cream vanilla bean now ice cream 1101 00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:28,200 Speaker 2: over gelato? 1102 00:45:28,920 --> 00:45:34,680 Speaker 1: Yeah? Are you serious? No gelatto? Every day. Yeah, yeah, 1103 00:45:34,719 --> 00:45:35,319 Speaker 1: I'm up at you. 1104 00:45:36,200 --> 00:45:38,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, like that. 1105 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,640 Speaker 1: For shoot no more and it came up. I didn't 1106 00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:52,480 Speaker 1: come to go back to blonde. Shoot all day? Baby. 1107 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,080 Speaker 1: You know what apologize for that? 1108 00:45:56,400 --> 00:45:57,800 Speaker 3: You still eating no fried balloon? 1109 00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,719 Speaker 1: No I'm not. I'm not that. I wish I was, though, 1110 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:02,839 Speaker 1: Like it's still so good. 1111 00:46:02,880 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 3: Make the kids eat it. 1112 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:09,080 Speaker 1: I do. Just like how much money, how successful I've been. 1113 00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:10,120 Speaker 1: I still eat ramen. 1114 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, but you eat like the Ramen noodle like the 1115 00:46:14,640 --> 00:46:16,200 Speaker 3: sixty nine cent pa, yes. 1116 00:46:16,080 --> 00:46:18,560 Speaker 1: Yes to like no no no, no, no, no, no no, 1117 00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:20,839 Speaker 1: like the sixty nine cent pack that we grew up in. 1118 00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:22,520 Speaker 1: Like do you eat in college when you had no 1119 00:46:22,600 --> 00:46:24,399 Speaker 1: mone you put the hot water on it and yeah 1120 00:46:24,440 --> 00:46:27,239 Speaker 1: you don't get high blood pure. I eat it every 1121 00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:27,760 Speaker 1: so often. 1122 00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:29,600 Speaker 3: You kids know what it is? 1123 00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,839 Speaker 1: You put it? Oh my god, that's what's up. Yeah, 1124 00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:35,719 Speaker 1: I still got a little hood to this is. 1125 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:36,279 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. 1126 00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:38,120 Speaker 2: This is like I feel like I'm eating ramen to 1127 00:46:38,200 --> 00:46:40,440 Speaker 2: day be born and joined up for a couple of noodles. 1128 00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:43,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what's up. That's that's that's what it is. 1129 00:46:43,080 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: That's what it is. You know, it's all good, all right. 1130 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,480 Speaker 2: So one of the courses we ask all the guests 1131 00:46:49,719 --> 00:46:52,160 Speaker 2: Mount Rushmore if you don't know, it's got four presidents. 1132 00:46:52,200 --> 00:46:55,680 Speaker 1: But I want to know the four people in. 1133 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:03,680 Speaker 2: Your life that have had an impact mentor coach, player, brother, mother, whoever, 1134 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:07,320 Speaker 2: whoever these four individual people are that had a really 1135 00:47:07,400 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 2: big impact on your life. 1136 00:47:09,080 --> 00:47:10,359 Speaker 1: Oh who would that be? 1137 00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:10,719 Speaker 2: My mouth? 1138 00:47:10,800 --> 00:47:13,080 Speaker 3: Rushmore would be like one person at the very top 1139 00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:14,719 Speaker 3: and then the other three would just be down at 1140 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:15,200 Speaker 3: the bottom. 1141 00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:15,920 Speaker 1: And that's Mom. 1142 00:47:16,400 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 3: My mom single parent. Father passed away when I was 1143 00:47:19,080 --> 00:47:21,680 Speaker 3: just three years old, and people asked me that, like 1144 00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:24,520 Speaker 3: who was your favorite? I'm like, Mom was everything sacrifice. 1145 00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 3: She was a psychiatrical nurse, got in a car accident. 1146 00:47:27,719 --> 00:47:30,879 Speaker 3: She's had double digit knee surgeries. So I've watched her 1147 00:47:30,920 --> 00:47:34,200 Speaker 3: struggle throughout my life. And I remember being in elementary 1148 00:47:34,200 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 3: school and I had to write a paper. It was 1149 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:37,680 Speaker 3: like one day I'm gonna be a professional basketball player 1150 00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:39,680 Speaker 3: or football player and I'm gonna buy my my house, 1151 00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,839 Speaker 3: and like being able to do that was surreal. So 1152 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:46,759 Speaker 3: she's everything that Devin and myself and my older brother 1153 00:47:46,840 --> 00:47:49,280 Speaker 3: are off the field or out of sports is because 1154 00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:51,840 Speaker 3: of her. She is instilled and built me and molded 1155 00:47:51,840 --> 00:47:54,279 Speaker 3: me into the guy and the man father husband I 1156 00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,319 Speaker 3: am today. So she would be number one by far. 1157 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,279 Speaker 3: The second person for me would be my wife. We 1158 00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,600 Speaker 3: met when I was just nineteen years old and we've 1159 00:48:02,640 --> 00:48:03,720 Speaker 3: been together every since. 1160 00:48:03,760 --> 00:48:06,480 Speaker 1: So she uh, every day. 1161 00:48:06,480 --> 00:48:09,080 Speaker 3: Like her early she didn't she had to put up 1162 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:11,200 Speaker 3: with him. Yea, yeah, because it's like it's always weird 1163 00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:13,560 Speaker 3: dynamic when you need when you meet in college. That's 1164 00:48:13,760 --> 00:48:20,000 Speaker 3: your most immature fansy, my brother, my other roommates, all 1165 00:48:20,000 --> 00:48:21,880 Speaker 3: of us, Like she knows where all the bodies of 1166 00:48:22,160 --> 00:48:25,319 Speaker 3: the whole nine. Yeah, so for sure her you talked 1167 00:48:25,360 --> 00:48:27,640 Speaker 3: about the fittlers early on. Today we had to wear 1168 00:48:27,840 --> 00:48:30,200 Speaker 3: I did overalls with no shirt on, and that was 1169 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,160 Speaker 3: probably the second outfit we had where I didn't have 1170 00:48:32,200 --> 00:48:34,160 Speaker 3: a shirt on. And I always run a boy. My 1171 00:48:34,160 --> 00:48:36,400 Speaker 3: wife don't go on TV with She said to me 1172 00:48:36,480 --> 00:48:39,560 Speaker 3: last week, you're just gonna dress like this every week. 1173 00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,040 Speaker 3: I was just like, I'm just trying to make good television. 1174 00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:43,919 Speaker 3: I'm trying to get you the finder things in life 1175 00:48:44,000 --> 00:48:47,080 Speaker 3: for this this next career. So she would definitely be 1176 00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:49,960 Speaker 3: number two, and then three and four would be my brothers. Uh, 1177 00:48:50,280 --> 00:48:53,040 Speaker 3: dev my identical twin brother and my older brother, Larry 1178 00:48:54,000 --> 00:48:56,319 Speaker 3: dev Like I said, we hold each other accountable. My 1179 00:48:56,360 --> 00:48:58,959 Speaker 3: older brother not having a father figure that he wasn't 1180 00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,280 Speaker 3: a dad to me, but he was just that super 1181 00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,000 Speaker 3: supportive big weather for us growing up playing sports. There 1182 00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:08,360 Speaker 3: was nobody that was going to talk more trash about 1183 00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:11,000 Speaker 3: how good his younger brothers were than my older brother. 1184 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,120 Speaker 3: In the neighborhood. We were Lil Larry, We're growing up. 1185 00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,880 Speaker 3: Oh them them els brothers. And that was him talking 1186 00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:20,839 Speaker 3: trash the whole nine and just always being there no 1187 00:49:20,840 --> 00:49:23,640 Speaker 3: matter what happened. So for me, it's always been family. 1188 00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:26,800 Speaker 3: Coaches and everybody have been great people in my life. 1189 00:49:26,800 --> 00:49:29,000 Speaker 3: Supplement when you're away from home and all of that. 1190 00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:31,200 Speaker 3: But for me, it started at home and it's always 1191 00:49:31,280 --> 00:49:31,520 Speaker 3: been that. 1192 00:49:31,960 --> 00:49:32,800 Speaker 1: Man, that's the blessing. 1193 00:49:33,280 --> 00:49:35,160 Speaker 2: And n kind of reminds me of my oldest brother, 1194 00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:38,040 Speaker 2: you know, when the oldest brother showed support and love. 1195 00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,560 Speaker 2: Bro differently, it just it just us hits a little 1196 00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 2: bit confidence, yeah man, Jason, Man, dude, this was awesome. 1197 00:49:44,640 --> 00:49:47,319 Speaker 1: Man, thank you. I see you got a hoodie on 1198 00:49:47,360 --> 00:49:48,640 Speaker 1: Shock the world. What's up with that? 1199 00:49:48,719 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 3: This was one of my old college teammates. Ye had 1200 00:49:51,040 --> 00:49:53,000 Speaker 3: he was doing a clothing line at one point and 1201 00:49:53,400 --> 00:49:55,680 Speaker 3: sent me this so shocked the world. I mean that's 1202 00:49:55,719 --> 00:49:57,960 Speaker 3: words that anybody can live by something you're doing. You're 1203 00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,240 Speaker 3: trying to redefine something. 1204 00:49:59,080 --> 00:49:59,399 Speaker 1: No doubt. 1205 00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:01,200 Speaker 2: Man, you want to back and throw that jail up 1206 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:06,880 Speaker 2: here too, Broki Yeah, yeah, photos joints. 1207 00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 3: I'm a big I'm a big sneaker guy. I used 1208 00:50:09,840 --> 00:50:11,960 Speaker 3: to save my lunch money and my mom would drive 1209 00:50:12,040 --> 00:50:13,759 Speaker 3: me to them all on Saturday. We'd be out there 1210 00:50:13,760 --> 00:50:16,440 Speaker 3: in line. Now you're on the sneakers app on stock 1211 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,279 Speaker 3: all this other stuff, after market prices. I was in 1212 00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:23,040 Speaker 3: there in the foot locker and all of that. 1213 00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:26,399 Speaker 1: How many sneakers do you think you own? 1214 00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:31,320 Speaker 3: Probably I would say three hundred, somewhere around that, somewhere around. 1215 00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,560 Speaker 1: I give a lot of them. 1216 00:50:33,120 --> 00:50:34,439 Speaker 3: I stop wearing them. I give him away. 1217 00:50:34,480 --> 00:50:37,319 Speaker 2: Okay, you're the sneaker guy. Okay, so you told them, 1218 00:50:37,360 --> 00:50:39,040 Speaker 2: told me something. So you the sneaker got that buys 1219 00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:41,399 Speaker 2: and wears. Yes, because it's a lot of people that. 1220 00:50:42,840 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not putting anything on. I used to 1221 00:50:45,719 --> 00:50:47,279 Speaker 3: you do that for too long. You go to wear 1222 00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:49,080 Speaker 3: the sneaker at the bottom coming off. They're not made 1223 00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,680 Speaker 3: that well just to sit. I wear all, I wear 1224 00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:52,200 Speaker 3: all of my. 1225 00:50:52,400 --> 00:50:56,560 Speaker 2: Ap I applaud you for being that guy. Jason mccordy man, 1226 00:50:56,600 --> 00:50:58,640 Speaker 2: thank you so much for being here. I know we 1227 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:00,239 Speaker 2: peanuts gonna get us out here, but one of the 1228 00:51:00,239 --> 00:51:03,080 Speaker 2: first and foremost. Thank our listeners, our viewers for always 1229 00:51:03,120 --> 00:51:05,600 Speaker 2: tuning in. Give us a five star rating. Hit that 1230 00:51:05,680 --> 00:51:10,160 Speaker 2: click that click that button, follow and like. Please tell 1231 00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:11,680 Speaker 2: a friend to tell a friend to tell a friend. 1232 00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:13,759 Speaker 2: Thank you guys, wherever you listen to your podcast or. 1233 00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: Pick them up. iHeartRadio podcast, Apple podcast. Thank you so much. 1234 00:51:18,040 --> 00:51:19,799 Speaker 1: As always, Peanut get us out of her dog. 1235 00:51:20,480 --> 00:51:24,280 Speaker 2: Y'all watch and appreciate the support. I'm peanut this Roman. 1236 00:51:24,680 --> 00:51:28,319 Speaker 2: Jason was on the show. Thank y'all. God bless brother y'all.