Speaker 1: From my Arm Radio, Common Enemy and Tendum with TV
Speaker 1: podcast Pal, Hey Pal with Jared and all right, we're
Speaker 1: back with the hay Pal Podcast and we're going to
Speaker 1: continue our talk in our episode with miss Cat Gramble.
Speaker 1: What do you do on Wednesday? I missed you. I
Speaker 1: mean I got as far away from you as possible.
Speaker 1: That's what I did here. I am just a guy
Speaker 1: that wants to have a nice conversation with this co host.
Speaker 1: All right, let's get into part two. Cat Graham, all right,
Speaker 1: why don't we get into our last Why don't we
Speaker 1: get into our last question before the playoffs? Well, I'd
Speaker 1: like to ask this question right here. Let's go. There's
Speaker 1: some depth there. Let's go. Okay, let's let's do it.
Speaker 1: We've been wanting to talk to her about this. Me
Speaker 1: and you talked about it all last night, even this morning.
Speaker 1: Why don't you talked about it all last night? We
Speaker 1: we did because we like to prepare. We take We
Speaker 1: take our guests very seriously at the hay Pal Podcast.
Speaker 1: We do. You guys might be spending too much time together.
Speaker 1: We are, unfortunately, trust me, help help Where's Rocky when
Speaker 1: I need him? I need an emotional support animal? Right, now,
Speaker 1: So we were talking about, um, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of parallels between entertainment and sports and athletics. Um,
Speaker 1: even though you and Kyle aren't big sports fans, there's
Speaker 1: still things that you know, they both move the needle
Speaker 1: in a certain way. And in athletics, especially recently, there's
Speaker 1: been a lot of great things happening. Um. We had
Speaker 1: a Major League Baseball team hire their first female general manager.
Speaker 1: We had the announcement of the first female football coach,
Speaker 1: which is which is quite quite incredible in the NFL,
Speaker 1: which is amazing. And we also had an NBA female
Speaker 1: coach for the San Antonio Spurs that she actually coached
Speaker 1: a game because their head coach got kicked out of
Speaker 1: a game. So she was the first female to ever
Speaker 1: coach a professional sport in history. So a lot of
Speaker 1: incredible things have happened, especially recently in the last few years.
Speaker 1: And so it got us thinking that do you feel
Speaker 1: that and does sports kind of move the gauge or
Speaker 1: his entertainment because obviously the entertainment world is shifted as well,
Speaker 1: and there's been a lot of amazing things that have
Speaker 1: happened the last few years. And that woman and little Mermaid,
Speaker 1: that woman, and and and and being a female superhero
Speaker 1: who's African American and also who is a lesbian character,
Speaker 1: like a lesbian superhero, which is amazing. And I will say,
Speaker 1: Cat before you, what does that mean? I will I
Speaker 1: will say I just wanted to throw this little um.
Speaker 1: Cat is laughing her ass up right. That was amazing.
Speaker 1: I wish people could see this. By the way, she's
Speaker 1: not living laughing with you, Dave, She's laughing at you. Now.
Speaker 1: I'm laughing with Davis. Listen. I'm I I'm always excited
Speaker 1: and thrilled and you know, celebrating when there's inclusion, there's
Speaker 1: also a part of me that gets a bit frustrated
Speaker 1: that it's one and we're even celebrating this that could
Speaker 1: should have been done, you know, years ago. So there's
Speaker 1: you know, it's it's a double edged sword. You know,
Speaker 1: you want to celebrate the small victories, but the fact
Speaker 1: that we're still fighting for equality and um a platform
Speaker 1: and you know, visibility is abhorrent to me. So it's
Speaker 1: it's difficult to find kind of the sweet spot where
Speaker 1: it's like, yes, that's great, but I'm like, but why
Speaker 1: is it the first black l G T Q female superhero,
Speaker 1: Like why is it the first? Why it's taken so long?
Speaker 1: And why aren't there more? So there's it's you know,
Speaker 1: there's a part of it where I'm obviously super excited,
Speaker 1: but yeah, there's I want to see more of it.
Speaker 1: I need to see, you know, more inclusion, more diversity,
Speaker 1: you know. And it's not that female coaches don't exist.
Speaker 1: They're out there, they're fighting like hell for those positions.
Speaker 1: But you know, sometimes a lot of time there are
Speaker 1: people in power that don't necessarily want to give that up,
Speaker 1: especially to a woman who might even be doing it
Speaker 1: better than them. So, you know, there's it's it's a
Speaker 1: conversation for sure, And I'm glad that the needle is
Speaker 1: slightly moving, But sometimes I don't want to see the
Speaker 1: needle just to move. I want to see the table flips, right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that that makes a lot of well And so Kat,
Speaker 1: do you think that it is? I guess, Look, they're
Speaker 1: both powerful, but I just want to know your insight
Speaker 1: on the corporate world and then the entertainment world. So
Speaker 1: do you when the entertainment world starts to do that, right?
Speaker 1: Is it as powerful? Because kids are seeing you know,
Speaker 1: oh wow, look a female coach, like maybe I could
Speaker 1: be a coach in the NFL someday, or is it
Speaker 1: more powerful? Do we need to see more of a
Speaker 1: change in the corporate world because that's every where. So
Speaker 1: it's so both. I mean, you saw kind of everything
Speaker 1: with UM Colin Kaepernick in the NFL and kind of
Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people turning UM away from
Speaker 1: the NFL because of a lack of UM fairness and
Speaker 1: appropriate action and certain behavior responsibilities that you know, maybe
Speaker 1: the NFL did not take seriously. UM. So you see that, right,
Speaker 1: you see that happening in the corporate space, you know,
Speaker 1: where they're happy to sometimes exploit the talents of African
Speaker 1: American athletes, but not um support the causes that need
Speaker 1: to be supported to create better treatment and equality. But
Speaker 1: then you also see that in the entertainment industry where
Speaker 1: like a black film, even though Black Panther and a
Speaker 1: lot of other films that people like Tyler Perry really
Speaker 1: Daniels have helmed obviously create a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: you see that maybe studios are less likely to give
Speaker 1: them financing. I mean, you know, I'm sure Kyle can
Speaker 1: speak on you know, independent financing for indie films way
Speaker 1: better than I can. But it takes a lot of effort.
Speaker 1: And you know, we talked about, you know, the kind
Speaker 1: of the heavy hitters in film. You know, a black
Speaker 1: woman's rate is normally significantly lower than a white males
Speaker 1: rate when it comes to getting film financed and what
Speaker 1: will green light of film and things like that or
Speaker 1: even you know, visibility, you know, um, those kind of things.
Speaker 1: So you know, it's it has to just be attacked
Speaker 1: on every angle, everyone from the corporate world to what
Speaker 1: kids are seeing on screen. You know, football is entertainment.
Speaker 1: You know, if I'm watching football, I'm not watching because
Speaker 1: I want to learn how to play football. I'm watching
Speaker 1: it to be entertained and see who's gonna be more
Speaker 1: savage and get farther with the ball or whatever you
Speaker 1: guys do with the ball. I don't know. I'm not
Speaker 1: hair um. Wherever you guys throw it and who's going
Speaker 1: which way? I don't care, um. But you know, it's entertainment.
Speaker 1: And if you show um more women on the field,
Speaker 1: whatever sport that is, and whatever position that is, whether
Speaker 1: they're the referee or whether they're the coach, or whether
Speaker 1: they're the player, then a young girl watching that is
Speaker 1: going to see that If a if a young kid
Speaker 1: who is gay watches and sees a completely sexually open,
Speaker 1: free gay man playing football and being loved and accepted
Speaker 1: and celebrated, maybe they are going to follow their passion
Speaker 1: to do football in a different way than they would
Speaker 1: have if it wasn't if they didn't feel that it
Speaker 1: was frowned upon because it challenges their mascue lenity. It's
Speaker 1: really about how the media portrays sports, the people in sports, visibility, diversity.
Speaker 1: It comes from every angle. It comes from even you guys,
Speaker 1: how you talk about it, what you who you celebrate,
Speaker 1: who you don't celebrate, who you elevate, who you overlook.
Speaker 1: You know, it's really like we forget about how responsible
Speaker 1: we are and how many people that we don't even
Speaker 1: consider might be listening to us or watching us, and
Speaker 1: that if we actually take more responsibility for the way
Speaker 1: we communicate and who we communicate about, but we can
Speaker 1: actually shift the way people feel about themselves, maybe they'll
Speaker 1: try a little harder or in a different way. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: all of it's important, all of it. I like it.
Speaker 1: I think we might have we might have the inaugural
Speaker 1: poet for the next election in four years dropping dropping
Speaker 1: the mic. I love that, and you brought up a
Speaker 1: great point, you know about it's tough to celebrate something
Speaker 1: that should have happen a long time ago. And in
Speaker 1: the case of the female GM in Major League Baseball,
Speaker 1: you know, there are a lot of people in baseball
Speaker 1: that we're waiting for that day for this woman to
Speaker 1: get that promotion, because you know, there's people that are like,
Speaker 1: she should have gotten this promotion ten years ago because
Speaker 1: she was that qualified back then, and so you know,
Speaker 1: for for her to have to wait that long, um
Speaker 1: is a difficult pill to swab. But at the same time, like,
Speaker 1: thank god those type of things are starting to happen,
Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, I mean, you know, the great thing
Speaker 1: about what you guys do and kind of your awareness
Speaker 1: and Kyle's too, is that it's not just you know,
Speaker 1: women working really hard, but it's also you know, men
Speaker 1: on the other side supporting the elevation of women. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's really important. You know that it's not just
Speaker 1: like so guy centric that if you see a woman
Speaker 1: who's capable and you see her that you guys also
Speaker 1: you know, celebrator, because sometimes it is you know, on
Speaker 1: women to support other women and obviously we will do
Speaker 1: that regardless, but it does, it does have to happen
Speaker 1: from both sides. Don't go anywhere, Hey, Pam will be
Speaker 1: right back after a word from our sponsors. Michael B.
Speaker 1: Jordan is a friend of the shows of ours. He's
Speaker 1: me and him actually, you know, we moved out to
Speaker 1: l A together fifteen years ago, so really he is
Speaker 1: he's always a really great guy. Yeah, he is the
Speaker 1: best kind of guy there is. And uh, you know
Speaker 1: when Coogler, so Coogler first called him and said, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm doing I'm doing Black Panther, and I've got this
Speaker 1: idea for you to be the bad guy and I'll
Speaker 1: never forget. Uh. Mikey came over to my house at
Speaker 1: the time and we're playing ping pong in the back
Speaker 1: and he was telling me about it and and and
Speaker 1: I you know, we were just talking about like why
Speaker 1: he wants to do it and what are the reasons,
Speaker 1: and he said that the main reason why he wants
Speaker 1: to do this movie is because chad Wick, obviously whose
Speaker 1: African American, is playing the the you know, the hero
Speaker 1: he's playing. Michael would be playing the villain. And he
Speaker 1: goes I want to do this because I want every
Speaker 1: you know, young African American kid to have what I
Speaker 1: didn't have, which is to be able to go and
Speaker 1: watch us on screen and go, I too can be
Speaker 1: a superhero or a villain in a movie and not
Speaker 1: just you know it's Superman and Lex Luthor or you know, Joker,
Speaker 1: and you know, like all these superheroes were used to
Speaker 1: which everyone is white. And I looked at him and
Speaker 1: and and I was just like, wow, Like how powerful
Speaker 1: is that? Like, yeah, it is right that, And he's
Speaker 1: done such a beautiful job really stepping into that and
Speaker 1: and really being a great representation of of of a strong,
Speaker 1: intelligent and talented black man. It's really great to see.
Speaker 1: And there's so many more talented people out there that
Speaker 1: you know, and more r Coogler's out there, and more
Speaker 1: female versions of Ryan Coogler. You know, there's just so
Speaker 1: much out there. And I think the more open we are,
Speaker 1: the more we'll see. For sure. Yeah, I don't know,
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this, Cab, but we'll
Speaker 1: give We'll give Kyle some props right now. But Kyle
Speaker 1: produced obviously produced mud Bound, and they had um Rachel Morrison,
Speaker 1: who was the DP that Kyle hired and Rachel Morrison
Speaker 1: ended up being nominated for an Oscar first female cinematographer
Speaker 1: nomination for an Oscar. Yes, Kyle's been a part of
Speaker 1: you know those obviously, That and Cutthroat City just that
Speaker 1: in itself are two very um important films for the
Speaker 1: culture and for awareness raising that like the world wouldn't
Speaker 1: necessarily have otherwise. And those are not easy films to make,
Speaker 1: right any means, there's nothing that says these are commercial
Speaker 1: and grab your family, you know what I mean, let's
Speaker 1: go watch. It's just they're very, very um brilliant films,
Speaker 1: but they're they're not easy to make and to tackle
Speaker 1: that and to have enough um integrity to do them
Speaker 1: the right way and patients to do them the right way,
Speaker 1: it's like that's I mean, you guys are just the
Speaker 1: kind of people I want to be around, because that's
Speaker 1: what anyone wants in their life is to be around
Speaker 1: people that have integrity to stick things out even if
Speaker 1: you don't necessarily see the reward right away, or if
Speaker 1: ever you know, you just do what's right, because that's
Speaker 1: the kind of art you want to make. And when
Speaker 1: you when you say you guys are the kind of
Speaker 1: guys you want to be around. You mean me and Kyle,
Speaker 1: not Dave, right, I mean Dave too. We already know
Speaker 1: the answer, Jared, all right, un likable? All right, fine, fun, Okay,
Speaker 1: So you've made it to the end of the show,
Speaker 1: which is, uh, you know what Dave. I want Dave,
Speaker 1: it is go ahead, It's time. We're coming towards the end. Here.
Speaker 1: It is time for the hay Peal Playoffs where layoffs
Speaker 1: playoffs seating round um, and today we're gonna our our
Speaker 1: topic is triple threats because Cat, you're a triple threat singer, dancer, actress,
Speaker 1: triple threat. Um, don't ask me to do anything. We
Speaker 1: will not ask, but you are a triple threat. Let's
Speaker 1: know that. So let's go over the seeds. Jared. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So what we decided to do when we get to
Speaker 1: the end of the playoffs, as we like to make
Speaker 1: it fun for the guests and something that relates to them,
Speaker 1: which we just said, is you. We think you are
Speaker 1: a triple threat. So we've we've seeded eight people that
Speaker 1: we also think are triple threats. But we also we
Speaker 1: we always exclude the guests, so we're gonna let you
Speaker 1: pick who advances, and then eventually Cat Graham is going
Speaker 1: to crown a champion. So for the first round, we've
Speaker 1: got the one seed, verse the eighth seed, and we
Speaker 1: let the fans email in and and and and and
Speaker 1: and make the seedings here. So the one seed is
Speaker 1: Beyonce versus the eighth seed came in at zac Efron,
Speaker 1: Cat Graham. Who is advancing Beyonce or zac Efron? And
Speaker 1: are no rules, So I'm just gonna write down what
Speaker 1: I think. Right, Well, okay, so Cat you're obviously Cat,
Speaker 1: You're going You're going zac Efron. It's not okay? All right?
Speaker 1: So we have Sack I I've met him, I've done
Speaker 1: a movie with him. He's an awesome guy. But I
Speaker 1: mean he'd even say Beyonce, we know number one barriers
Speaker 1: and then she just crushes them with her bear lion paws.
Speaker 1: I mean, she's just and that's why she's the number
Speaker 1: one seed, but exactly why. All right, it's gonna be
Speaker 1: a little tougher now. And now we go with the
Speaker 1: number two seed, which is Mr Jamie Fox. Jamie, I
Speaker 1: don't care who's men? Wow, I love it. Should we
Speaker 1: even tell her who is all right, Well, the seventh
Speaker 1: seed would have been uh, you know, he kind of
Speaker 1: came out as as a dancer and he's also a
Speaker 1: very talented actor, and you can't put anyone in a
Speaker 1: thing that's James. It would have been Ryan Gosling would
Speaker 1: have been the seventh Ryan. I love Ryan, but no
Speaker 1: Jamie is okay, so we need planet I concur I agree. Alright, alright,
Speaker 1: we've got the three seed versus the six seed. The
Speaker 1: three seed comes in at Mr Hugh Jackman versus the
Speaker 1: sixth seed at Miss Jennifer Lopez. Well, first of all,
Speaker 1: that's also not fair because I love j Lo to
Speaker 1: no end and she was a backup dancer like me.
Speaker 1: So I but Hugh Jackman is so talented. Um but
Speaker 1: m and just just jo, I'm so sorry we haven't
Speaker 1: had Jlo advances. All right, that's good. Now, number four
Speaker 1: bias so on all of these people, though, that's not
Speaker 1: quite fair. It's all right, Well we we will see
Speaker 1: who was going to be the champion. It's your playoff,
Speaker 1: all right. Now, the number four seed, we have Lady
Speaker 1: Gaga at number four against the number five seed justin Timberlake.
Speaker 1: Oh if the audience could see her face right now,
Speaker 1: Um Gaga. Alright, that's hey, that's that's fair fair enough. Okay.
Speaker 1: So so now we've gotten to the final four of
Speaker 1: the Triple Threat Playoffs with Cat Graham, and we have
Speaker 1: the one seed against this Beyonce versus j Lo. I
Speaker 1: would never put them against each other. It's a diva
Speaker 1: power off. It's a diva power off and lots of
Speaker 1: fans and the sequin body suits. Yes, all right, who's
Speaker 1: your pick, buddy, you have you have to pick. Do
Speaker 1: you want to? Do you want to? I'm voting Rocky
Speaker 1: out of this before you guys get me any trouble. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's do. Let's do. Um the number two seeds Jamie
Speaker 1: foxx versus number four Lady Gaga. That's not they're like
Speaker 1: like one is like Pluto and the other one's like sattured.
Speaker 1: It's like better. It's like, well, one has rings and
Speaker 1: one's just a whole place, like I don't know, they're
Speaker 1: both like insanely talented. No way, no way, I'm I'm out.
Speaker 1: I hate this game. Wait no, no, no, it's no no, Cat,
Speaker 1: it's not. Well, you can hate the game, it's fine,
Speaker 1: but it's we've crowned our first four we we've got
Speaker 1: a quarter time, We've got a four way champion. Here
Speaker 1: is that fair? Everyone gets something right? There we go.
Speaker 1: We've got to Okay, if Beyonce, Jamie Fox, Lady Gaga,
Speaker 1: and j Lo the first four weeks five our favorite
Speaker 1: artist period, so is probably some of your other guests,
Speaker 1: but I just I just love them way too much.
Speaker 1: By the way, there are no rules, so this is
Speaker 1: totally fine. There's a four waight champion. There's there's no rules. However,
Speaker 1: because of her decision, which which I'm happy with her decision,
Speaker 1: she has now put herself in the hay Pal penalty box.
Speaker 1: Don't go anywhere, hey Pal, We'll be right back after
Speaker 1: a word from our sponsors. We're gonna ask you a
Speaker 1: series of questions. You just answer as quickly as possible.
Speaker 1: First thing that comes to mind, Um, we know what
Speaker 1: an athlete you are and what an avid sportsman you are.
Speaker 1: If you had to play one professional sport, what would
Speaker 1: it be if you had to play one professional sport dancing,
Speaker 1: professional dancing, Okay, competitive dancing. There's no competitive dances coming
Speaker 1: to the Olympics. I like sport well, breakdancing, breakdancings in
Speaker 1: the next Olympics, which is exciting, all right, Um, favorite
Speaker 1: cereal of umps corn pops. You gotta have proms, I
Speaker 1: gotta have. I like that. I mean I love it.
Speaker 1: I like that, Um, because you had since an interesting
Speaker 1: time with the triple threat seating. If you're on an
Speaker 1: island and could only listen to one artist the rest
Speaker 1: of your life, one music artist, no no, no no, no,
Speaker 1: just in general, one artist the rest of your life.
Speaker 1: You're strand on an island, who would it be? You
Speaker 1: need an extensive library of songs you don't get bored. Um,
Speaker 1: prints like it? The purple one that is. That is
Speaker 1: a great, great call. That's a great answer. Um. Favorite
Speaker 1: holiday between Christmas and Hanukah. Listen, I grew up Jewish
Speaker 1: and we never had Christmas, so I didn't really know
Speaker 1: Christmas until I was like eighteen nineteen and I realized
Speaker 1: that it's not called a Hanuka bush, it's actually a
Speaker 1: Christmas tree, um, and that people actually do believe in
Speaker 1: Santa Claus um, and that their parents don't just tell
Speaker 1: them that it never existed, and that's just something other
Speaker 1: people believe in. So I would have to say, just
Speaker 1: because I didn't grow up with Christmas that Christmas is
Speaker 1: my favorite. Um, but I I love Hanukah like I
Speaker 1: love if. I never had enough of it, which explains
Speaker 1: why I have. I really need to slow down on
Speaker 1: my Christmas making movies because it's just me living out
Speaker 1: my childhood fantasies because I never had one. It makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense. So we'll go with Chris mca for that
Speaker 1: answer from from two Jews. We thought you were going Hanukkah,
Speaker 1: but it's okay, Alright. I love Hanka, but sometimes I mean,
Speaker 1: you guys know, it gets kind of depressing. Look, I'm
Speaker 1: blessed because I'm a white Hispanic Catholic Russian Jew and
Speaker 1: I was raised going to church with my mom and
Speaker 1: grandma temple with my dad. I celebrate boats, so I
Speaker 1: had the best of both. Chris. We'll go Chris. Chris, alright,
Speaker 1: the Penalty Box. Thank you so much for being our
Speaker 1: guest today. We love you superk you for having me
Speaker 1: and like deeming me good enough to be on your podcast.
Speaker 1: This is super fun and I learned a little bit
Speaker 1: about sports. There you go, there you We love it.
Speaker 1: Thank you Dad so much. Guys, can't love you by awesome,
Speaker 1: awesome show. We we taught our guest. We we taught her.
Speaker 1: She learned something about sports. By the way, we didn't
Speaker 1: teach her anything. She taught us that she did teach
Speaker 1: us and taught us. That was the That was a
Speaker 1: great interview. You know, that was really that was really cool. Maybe, um,
Speaker 1: maybe we should forget our whole hybrid sports stuff and
Speaker 1: just having some moura in depth talks with our guests. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was awesome. We we we did a
Speaker 1: deep dive today. That was a test. Dave. No, We're
Speaker 1: not doing that. We're sports. I like deep dives. This
Speaker 1: is Davo. No, it was It was good. And this
Speaker 1: is the podcast. This is Davo and this is the
Speaker 1: Wait what we're supposed to say? Your name is Oh,
Speaker 1: this is Davo and I'm Jared Einson. Let's let's switch.
Speaker 1: Let's switch and we'll do the outro. Okay, that was awesome.
Speaker 1: It was It was great to have Cat Graham and
Speaker 1: we appreciate her so much. Um again, you can you
Speaker 1: can watch her and Cut Throat City UM, which is
Speaker 1: out now produced by Kyle Tekayla, our producer. UM. But
Speaker 1: my name is Dave Osco and thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: To Hate Hell podcast and I'm Jared Einson and I'm miserable.
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