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Speaker 1: Snowflake Clothing, Dan, i'ves joins us this morning.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for toning it down. Dan. I'm apoplectic this morning.

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Speaker 1: Over what I saw is a complete reaffirmation of the

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Speaker 1: Google model.

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Speaker 2: It's out there. I'm gonna do a major shout out

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Speaker 2: to as a fitch over it. Heard in the street

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Speaker 2: on the Wall Street Journal, who I think really nailed?

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Speaker 2: I was OMG? Was I right to be? Omg? At

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Speaker 2: four twenty yesterday afternoon? I mean, look this it.

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Speaker 3: I think it's a game changer for the whole story

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Speaker 3: because it shows like Google, now there was a view

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Speaker 3: they're in the defensive. AI is going to ruin their

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Speaker 3: search business now look at look at search, mass advertising, struck, YouTube, cloud,

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Speaker 3: better things back and then the best thing by then

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Speaker 3: increasing cap bax ten billion. That's then basically beat in

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Speaker 3: their chest saying hey in this arm.

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Speaker 1: I went and looked at it, folks. You can do

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Speaker 1: this with the WACC screen. Good morning, mister Secunda. The

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Speaker 1: way did the average cost a capitol screen on the

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg an added ten billion of capax for Google is

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Speaker 1: basically trying to buy another house out in Menlo Park.

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Speaker 2: It's like a rounding error.

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Speaker 3: That's it's exactly and look Tom, the last thing that

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Speaker 3: they could be is on the outside looking in on

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Speaker 3: this AI arms race. And I think the view, look,

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Speaker 3: we think on a large cap perspective, this has been

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Speaker 3: the most over sold stock relative.

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Speaker 2: I'll go with it.

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Speaker 3: And again I get like DOJ regulatory, But the view

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Speaker 3: that AI is going to ruin Alphabet's business is dramatically flowed.

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Speaker 2: Let's go touch a feey concept here, it's away.

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Speaker 1: Lisa Rolls, what did we learn yesterday about how we

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Speaker 1: use AI.

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Speaker 2: With our searches? I think we learned something new yesterday.

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Speaker 3: I think what you learn is that you do those searches.

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Speaker 3: Google's going to play a huge part. And I think

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Speaker 3: if you look at like actual like advertising, you look

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Speaker 3: at like search results, you look at all the underlying metrics,

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Speaker 3: it shows that it's actually an accelerant for their business.

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Speaker 3: That's something that takes away and I think that's the thing.

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Speaker 1: Is Paul Dan's code. Okay, for those of you on radio,

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Speaker 1: it looks like look at his code. It's like a

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Speaker 1: truckboard in a physics lecture.

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Speaker 4: It's not kill tech it's very troubling.

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Speaker 2: In a Cartesian space.

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Speaker 4: Continue, search revenue is number of clicks times revenue per click.

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Speaker 4: I'm clicking materially less. How does that not bead for

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Speaker 4: their search case?

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Speaker 3: So that you can say it's bad now. But the

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Speaker 3: view is is that Paul, given what they're doing in

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Speaker 3: terms of investments in AI, given where they view ultimately

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Speaker 3: the future, that when you're going to come back in

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Speaker 3: terms of searching through models, through through actually like LMS,

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Speaker 3: Google is going to play a role in monetizing that

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Speaker 3: and even on the advertising side. And I think that's

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Speaker 3: really the view is that this is not something that's

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Speaker 3: structurally gonna be a threat to their business.

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Speaker 2: It's actually the opposite.

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Speaker 3: They're gonna turn it into what I view.

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Speaker 2: As a towel.

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Speaker 3: And I think that's what Tom's talking about. That's what

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Speaker 2: This is coming on the offense.

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Speaker 4: Okay, all right, So, and we're seeing that in this

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Speaker 4: there's definitely concern out there in the marketplace about this story.

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Speaker 4: Here more concern is with Tesla. I don't know, man,

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Speaker 4: My hat's off to you hanging with this dude, But

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Speaker 4: making cars is not a good business for anybody. It's

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Speaker 4: never has been. So he's trying to redirect us to

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Speaker 4: all this other stuff, which fine, you know, a lot

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Speaker 4: be focusing our attention on the Tesla story because I

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Speaker 4: don't want to be bending metal here.

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Speaker 3: Look but me, we've talked about for years, like I

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Speaker 3: It's about physical AI in terms of autonomous robotics. No

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Speaker 3: Jensen talks about this all the time, the two best

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Speaker 4: Okay, that I mean, that's obviously the future here. Give

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Speaker 4: us that the mile post. We should be if we're

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Speaker 4: taking our attention away from the car business, what are

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Speaker 4: some of the mile posts for these other businesses shoulday

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Speaker 3: So well, first off, from a robotaxic perspective, you're looking

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Speaker 2: Five cities in the next year. Okay.

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Speaker 3: So our team was in Austin. We saw Robotaxi front center.

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Speaker 3: and I believe one of the big mile posts that

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Speaker 3: everyone's looking for is, you know, at some point, probably

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Speaker 3: that that will happen.

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Speaker 4: I mean Tom, when Tom's in a roto taxi, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: Good look for that.

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Speaker 1: Dan Ives is here in your commune across the nation,

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Speaker 1: particularly good early early morning in the sixteen miles between

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Speaker 2: How did Coopertino digest the Google earnings yesterday?

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Speaker 1: You know, the basic you know, I can just see

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Speaker 1: the leadership of Google and Apple taking a breakfast or

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Speaker 1: lunch at Mademoiselle Collette, you know, some fancy place out

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Speaker 1: there where everybody eats herbal And the answer is, how

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Speaker 2: To me, it's a huge deal for Apple weave.

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Speaker 3: I think that the view that Google is going to

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Speaker 2: An agreement with that talk about. We've said it. It's

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Speaker 3: I think you need to get a significant sort of

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Speaker 3: upping of that partnership with Google because when you look

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Speaker 3: perplexity continues to be the one that they should go after,

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Speaker 2: And let's let's dig into that time. Full disclosure, folks.

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Speaker 1: Mister Secunda, one of the founders of Bloomberg, is hugely

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Speaker 1: influential in AI with the Secunda Foundation, and he leads

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Speaker 1: with perplexity.

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Speaker 3: the best next gen AI models out there. The reason

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Speaker 3: it's so important and some disagree, but Apple needs to

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Speaker 3: make an aggressive move. They cannot watch this AI revolution

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Speaker 3: it comes to Apple. You know, if you go back WWDC,

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Speaker 3: time has come for them to make aggressive moves in AI,

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Speaker 3: and that will be the big focus next week in

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Speaker 1: Lisa, what's the most herbal macha coffee thing in the morning, Like,

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Speaker 1: what would be the typical West Coast you know, a

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Speaker 2: It's called a dirty macha Cooper Tina.

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Speaker 1: This morning, the team's having their dirty matchas to get

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Speaker 1: the days started again. How does Apple respond to what

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Speaker 2: Thank you folks for that. I'm living it every day.

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Speaker 1: And the answer is how does Apple respond to perplexity,

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Speaker 3: If you can't beat them, join them, Like they're basically

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Speaker 3: that Google is dealing with. And I think for Apple,

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Speaker 3: It needs to happen through partnerships and what I believe

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Speaker 3: ultimately is an acquisition tom.

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Speaker 4: This is courtesy of Google AI. A dirty Macha, also

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Speaker 4: known as a macha espresso fusion, is a popular beverage

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Speaker 3: Dan.

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Speaker 2: In terms of like single, best Buy, web Bush, I

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Speaker 1: I love the snowflake. Look you look like Heinman's Physics

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Speaker 1: last years ago when you got that what's the hat?

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Speaker 2: Damn it? Yeah, Majorca hat.

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Speaker 3: It's a you know, it's from Majorca to one of

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Speaker 3: important thing is that everything that Google's doing, all the investment,

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Speaker 3: Microsoft's the toll collector. It doesn't matter who's there in

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Speaker 1: One final question, this is so important the gloom crew

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Speaker 1: on dan Ives.

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Speaker 2: Did you know I understand there's haters out there.

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Speaker 3: Now, haters, haters.

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Speaker 1: Lisa, and then you know thousands others, the dan Ives haters.

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Speaker 1: You have been so right, including pounding the table the

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Speaker 1: first week of April. I want you to speak to

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Speaker 1: ives tech boom.

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Speaker 3: Look, I think the haters, you know, and right now

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Speaker 3: can find AI in the spreadsheets. And I think part

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Speaker 2: Does that mean?

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Speaker 3: Look three millionaire miles.

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Speaker 3: Look it point is three millionaire miles to last twenty

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Speaker 3: fractional where we are relative to the opportunity.

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Speaker 2: It's our view.

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Speaker 3: It's ten pm in the AI party. It was nine

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Speaker 3: pm and the party goes to four am.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna say this is simple as I can.

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Speaker 2: We keep tracked.

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Speaker 1: We learn from people who are wrong, we learn from

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Speaker 1: people who are right. But it's this thematic idea of

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Speaker 1: where we are folks right now to me, I said

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Speaker 1: this last.

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Speaker 2: Night to missus Keane. It's like late nineteen ninety four,

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Speaker 2: early nineteen ninety five and Dan.

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Speaker 1: Ives was in a bar with a Budweiser in his

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Speaker 1: hand saying, Codje Google's.

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Speaker 2: Buy a dog file.

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Speaker 3: It's nineteen ninety five, not ninety ninety nine.

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Speaker 2: Good Jedives, Thank you so much with Medbush