Speaker 1: Real celebrity. Yeah, it's the Breakfast Club Charlomagne and God Angelie.
Speaker 1: I don't know where the hell en you went, but
Speaker 1: we have a very very special guest with us. That's
Speaker 1: what Envy says. Yeah, that's what thing he said that
Speaker 1: everybody from loving hip hop very special, special special, something
Speaker 1: not that specials here as well. Huh isn't that wrong? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What's the God King? Los? Yeah? Man, how you doing?
Speaker 1: Blessed Man? God Money War is out now? Yeah, man's
Speaker 1: playing the album title because you know, I've heard album,
Speaker 1: so I get it. But some people might be like,
Speaker 1: why do you why are you mixing God with those
Speaker 1: worldly things? I mean, God created the world, but beyond that, Um,
Speaker 1: I just feel like there's three things in life that
Speaker 1: you know, um, affect us very deeply, you know, and
Speaker 1: need you know, need to be talked about. Um. God
Speaker 1: for one. You know, some people wake up and I
Speaker 1: don't even believe in God and reach with a small
Speaker 1: form before they pray. Yeah, I mean you know, I
Speaker 1: mean not don't even pray. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: like it don't even get to prayer. It's like we
Speaker 1: just had people walking around empty, you know, and we
Speaker 1: wonder why we have so many, so many things that
Speaker 1: they hold us back. You know, No, people don't have
Speaker 1: something higher to reach to. So I feel like I
Speaker 1: just wanted to give that to people, you know, from
Speaker 1: a perspective of you don't have to be perfect to
Speaker 1: love God, you know, and just in that essence, you know,
Speaker 1: and especially with our community and seeing the stuff that
Speaker 1: we'd be going through, you know as of lately. And
Speaker 1: then the money, you know, it's just something that I
Speaker 1: grew up. It's something that I grew up and being
Speaker 1: from Baltimore, you know, being basically like raised by like kingpins.
Speaker 1: Like I lost my dad when I was sixteen. My
Speaker 1: dad was murdered, so like from that point, that's where
Speaker 1: you really start to become a man in shape who
Speaker 1: you are. And I was embraced by just street dudes
Speaker 1: who was doing it on a major level in I
Speaker 1: could have went any way in life, you know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. So, you know, that was the money part,
Speaker 1: just letting people know that money shouldn't you know, um,
Speaker 1: it shouldn't rule your heart, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And then um, the war and my and my um
Speaker 1: and my depth definition of war. It's not like the
Speaker 1: stuff we see on TV. And it's not like the racism.
Speaker 1: And it's not that I feel like it's the it's
Speaker 1: the it's the personal wars, the war with for you know,
Speaker 1: it's the war for your soul, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So those are the things I wanted to break down
Speaker 1: in my in my CD, because my CD wasn't that
Speaker 1: CD in particular wasn't about me. God, money, war wasn't
Speaker 1: about me, one about lows, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: It was about us and what we go through and
Speaker 1: how we just need to be there for each other.
Speaker 1: So and you know what I noticed too, when it
Speaker 1: comes to God, a lot of times people pray when
Speaker 1: they need something, not necessarily to be thankful for the
Speaker 1: things that they have. Sometimes the only time somebody might
Speaker 1: praise if they're like, oh Lord, please don't let me
Speaker 1: be pregnant, you know, don't let you know how you
Speaker 1: paid the thing you have. You made that prayer before.
Speaker 1: I haven't, I never ever. Yeah, But you know it's crazy,
Speaker 1: like that's that's the thing to see some people use
Speaker 1: God selfishly. And it's like I pray for other people
Speaker 1: like before I prayed, or like I never prayed like
Speaker 1: for like, you know, to be successful or like you know,
Speaker 1: even though I mean you can, you can pray for
Speaker 1: anything you want, you know. I rather pay for people
Speaker 1: to be healthy and stuff like that. But it's up
Speaker 1: to you, man. I mean, God ignores prayers. The godson
Speaker 1: a couple of prayers praying for well yeah yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean you gotta be careful what you wish for because
Speaker 1: you might get something you're not even ready for. You know. Um,
Speaker 1: one time it was a preacher who told a story
Speaker 1: about a lady who prayed to to to you know,
Speaker 1: to just get by. And that's all. That's all it
Speaker 1: ever happened. She just got just got by, just barely,
Speaker 1: because that's all she prayed for. Lord, just help us,
Speaker 1: just please just just get by. You know. It's like
Speaker 1: that's the power of positive thinking to maximize your blessings.
Speaker 1: Like you speak things in the fruition. So if that's
Speaker 1: what you're constantly seeing yourself, I just want to get
Speaker 1: bodies gonna get bay, that's gonna happen. Or when people
Speaker 1: be like man, I don't even know there you go.
Speaker 1: You know what's interesting U when you came in h
Speaker 1: angels said something what You've got a gun, I don't
Speaker 1: know what and you was like, no, I got God. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you know when somebody goes in the bank and
Speaker 1: say where's it? No, I mean that usually that means like,
Speaker 1: you know, you got to you don't want to say
Speaker 1: what it is. Yeah. No, man, that's interesting to hear
Speaker 1: you saying you were saying you were looking for water.
Speaker 1: That's then, I mean, yeah, I was looking. I was
Speaker 1: actually looking for I had a feji water. I don't
Speaker 1: know what I did with it. But it's interesting here
Speaker 1: you say that because it made me think of it.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's fresh on my mind. You know, I'm
Speaker 1: from I'm born to Charleston, so I'm thinking about the
Speaker 1: Charleston shooting. And I heard what the representative said. He goes, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, well if somebody in there could have defended themselves,
Speaker 1: And I'm like, well, that's the church they were in
Speaker 1: their praying. Do you feel like you need guns in
Speaker 1: church now because these things could happen? Or do you
Speaker 1: just rely on God? I mean, at the end of
Speaker 1: the day, man, if things like this are happening, where
Speaker 1: people are going into you know, a holy place in
Speaker 1: committing just like like atrocities, Like there's no way to
Speaker 1: there's no scale to gauge what you do in that situation. Dude,
Speaker 1: murder nine people. So like I think for some extremities,
Speaker 1: you might you might need an extremity. You might. They
Speaker 1: might need to protect themselves because I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: aiming to harm people. So that's someone taking advantage of you.
Speaker 1: And that's different, you know what I'm saying. So it's like,
Speaker 1: I mean, you gotta protect your family. I bet that
Speaker 1: preacher or whoever when they're home. You know, you gotta
Speaker 1: think of the church as your home. You know, if
Speaker 1: somebody walked come in your house and try to harm you,
Speaker 1: you gotta you gotta do what you gotta do to
Speaker 1: protect your children or your wife or you know. Nine
Speaker 1: people died. It was young people, older people or man,
Speaker 1: God protect me. But I still asleep from my get Yeah,
Speaker 1: Curtis Jackson, Hey, you gotta keep it if that's if
Speaker 1: that's if that's what people are doing, then it's it's
Speaker 1: no it's no rules, man, you gotta you gotta protect yourself.
Speaker 1: Now you have to sound glory to the Lord with
Speaker 1: R Kelly. How did y'all hook up? Like, how did
Speaker 1: what's your relationship with R. Kelly? Um, I don't have
Speaker 1: a relationship with R. Kelly. My only relationship with R.
Speaker 1: Kelly is that I think he's amazing and that I've
Speaker 1: been a fan forever like everybody else. Um. I made
Speaker 1: the record Glory to the Lord Um because I wanted
Speaker 1: to talk to the hood. And you know, again, I'm
Speaker 1: from Baltimore, he's from Charleston. Like we're from places where
Speaker 1: we've seen extreme turmoil, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: me having a foundation in Christ and just growing up
Speaker 1: like in the church or whatever. You know, I'm not
Speaker 1: a perfect person, but I've been extremely blessed and I've
Speaker 1: also went through crazy, crazy situations, you know. But through
Speaker 1: it all, you know, I give the glory to God. Man,
Speaker 1: So I would you a rapper? You're not supposed to
Speaker 1: do that. I don't know what these rappers do. I
Speaker 1: don't know what I don't know what these rappers be doing, man.
Speaker 1: But you know, so why act like you can't put
Speaker 1: hip hop and God together? I remember the time when
Speaker 1: that's all it was about. I grew up on an
Speaker 1: outcasting goodie mob. They were giving it up for God. Yeah, Man,
Speaker 1: when they won awards, you don't want to thank God.
Speaker 1: Now you don't see none of that no more. Man,
Speaker 1: it's just crazy, like I feel like, um, we're going
Speaker 1: towards like you know, it's just anti God, you know, Pete.
Speaker 1: They want to give you every reason to deny God. Man.
Speaker 1: But every day. You know, there was a guy who said, um,
Speaker 1: I watched this guy Robbie zachar Riyas all the time
Speaker 1: like I'd just be trying to get mine, you know,
Speaker 1: you know, and uh he was. Someone asked him, he
Speaker 1: does does a lot of Q and A, but he
Speaker 1: does it at like those prestigious um, you know colleges
Speaker 1: like Yale and Harvard with all these intellects. You know,
Speaker 1: once people get so smart they don't need God. So
Speaker 1: he does Q and A. So the guy asked him
Speaker 1: about um Jonah who was in the in the whale,
Speaker 1: you know, in the Bible, and does he think that's
Speaker 1: ridiculous or does he believe it? Because you know, if
Speaker 1: somebody says something about somebody being in the whale, the
Speaker 1: first thing you would think, in your shallow thinking, so
Speaker 1: you don't believe it, right, So he said, if to
Speaker 1: say you don't believe that is to say that you
Speaker 1: ignore the miracles that we see every day. And I
Speaker 1: think that's what people don't have enough appreciation. Your human
Speaker 1: body is a miracle. You know, everything about you is
Speaker 1: a miracle. It's miraculous for a woman to be able
Speaker 1: to have a child and then be connected emotionally, um,
Speaker 1: he said, even like into like relationships, the way men
Speaker 1: and women, you know, the way um, we are connected
Speaker 1: to each other, the way we're magnetized towards one another.
Speaker 1: All those things are miraculous. But people don't have a
Speaker 1: high enough appreciation for just the simple things in life.
Speaker 1: So of course you don't know that, he said. So
Speaker 1: for somebody that you know, rose from the grave and
Speaker 1: did all that being in someone being in the whale stomach,
Speaker 1: that's a small order. For somebody who created the sun,
Speaker 1: and you look at it every day and appreciate it,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. So that's just my my synopsis.
Speaker 1: Now you have all Kelly on that record. How do
Speaker 1: you think God feels about him peeing on little girls
Speaker 1: at one point? And it's like, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: Only God can judge them, you know, I don't know, man.
Speaker 1: The alleged pe no we saw the take I ain't
Speaker 1: see nothing, man, I ain't see nothing, man. I don't
Speaker 1: know nothing in the world. But Kevin Wait Wait was
Speaker 1: out part of it. I don't want nothing to do
Speaker 1: with its clear you can get. Yeah, you know, no,
Speaker 1: I saw good Man like I don't. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: I don't really know that artist. And he sounds good
Speaker 1: on the song like that Dave Chappelle's kit. That's crazy now.
Speaker 1: I like a ghetto boy a lot too. It seems like,
Speaker 1: you know, you talk about your grandmother a lot on
Speaker 1: that record. It seems like you have a big influence
Speaker 1: on you. Yeah, you mentioned that you're you just mentioned
Speaker 1: your father got killed. He was murdered when I was
Speaker 1: like sixteen. You said that on the record. He wasn't around,
Speaker 1: so like, like, what she the one that raised you? Um? Not?
Speaker 1: My grandmother didn't raise me, man, um My mama raised me.
Speaker 1: At a point in my life. My grandmother on my
Speaker 1: dad's side raised me for a little while because I
Speaker 1: want to live with my dad. You know, a lot
Speaker 1: of young young young men when their mom and dad's
Speaker 1: not together, they want to go live with their dad,
Speaker 1: you know, Like I wanna go live with my pops.
Speaker 1: Because it's just you. Your dad has this different a
Speaker 1: different essence, and he don't beat you for everything like mama.
Speaker 1: If you want to discipline you all the time, your
Speaker 1: dad like boys stopped and you know it's like more
Speaker 1: of a masculine thing, you know. So my grandma for
Speaker 1: dumb stuff like having Playboy. Like yeah, Like I remember
Speaker 1: one time I was watching um, I was watching the
Speaker 1: like the Spice channel back in the day. I was
Speaker 1: probably like fourteen, and I'm watching it. You know, back
Speaker 1: in the day on the cave, we had the button
Speaker 1: when you could go back to another channel, just one
Speaker 1: button and you go back and forth. So I hear
Speaker 1: my dad come out the ronk go back to the
Speaker 1: last channel would be like a Disney channel or something, right,
Speaker 1: and he come out and get some juicy, go back
Speaker 1: in the room and I go back to Spice and
Speaker 1: he come back out not change. He like, boy, you
Speaker 1: still woke. And I said, I said, yeah, I'm still up.
Speaker 1: He said, yeah, all them neked women keeping you woke
Speaker 1: like I did. I didn't know. I was watching the thing.
Speaker 1: But he had like the monitor thing when his TV change,
Speaker 1: he had a box thing. You worked for the cable
Speaker 1: company now he worked for a cable company. But we
Speaker 1: had we had the worst. Like he worked for change
Speaker 1: his channel. Yeah, yeah, he had a little device when
Speaker 1: he Yeah he knew he was on me. He was
Speaker 1: on me early. But that's like a pop so pops
Speaker 1: like look at him, a mon come out there and
Speaker 1: be crying like, yeah he probably. Man, he keeps changing
Speaker 1: the channel. I'm trying to watch this. You might want
Speaker 1: your son to see them, you might want, um not really,
Speaker 1: not really. My dad was like from the streets, from
Speaker 1: the you know, from the projects and raised around it.
Speaker 1: But like my dad had careers, you know, he was
Speaker 1: a hard working dude. Like he copped cribs and whips
Speaker 1: and had all the flyers stuff from working and that
Speaker 1: was what he basically instilled in us, you know. But
Speaker 1: like all my brothers. Yeah, I'm my older brother right
Speaker 1: now inconcentrated, my younger brother inconcentrated. You know, I'm like
Speaker 1: the one that made it out. Did your dad know
Speaker 1: you wanted to do music before he passed? No, my
Speaker 1: dad never got to, Uh see me rap? Why do
Speaker 1: you get killed? If you don't mind me asking who
Speaker 1: kills the cable guy? Um? Uh, I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: it was like it was like I really don't know
Speaker 1: the true story, but with the you know, the newspapers
Speaker 1: had was that, um, he was giving somebody a ride
Speaker 1: and they went to like rob him because you know,
Speaker 1: he laced, you know what I'm saying, And they went
Speaker 1: to rob him, and I think like all they ended
Speaker 1: up getting was like six bucks or something and they
Speaker 1: killed him. So he died in the car. They killed
Speaker 1: him in the car, you know what I'm saying. Business, Yeah, man,
Speaker 1: So I don't know, man, it's like some weak individuals.
Speaker 1: When did you decide to start doing music? If it
Speaker 1: was after that, like I just started writing. I just
Speaker 1: was looking. I just I needed a way to express
Speaker 1: like all my anger instead of like just having like
Speaker 1: this immense hatred for the world. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: is just turned into that guy like because it was
Speaker 1: it was it was right there. You know. I remember
Speaker 1: like deciding like whether or not I wanted to just
Speaker 1: hate this world and just go massacre on people or
Speaker 1: try to figure something out, you know. So I started writing,
Speaker 1: and many times I would had like a blank piece
Speaker 1: of paper and get up in and still be blank.
Speaker 1: I just knew I wanted to write something and I
Speaker 1: didn't know what I didn't wrap, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So then I should start writing all kinds of literature,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. And I got into literature early,
Speaker 1: so that like drove me to like you know, like
Speaker 1: you know, Egga Allan Poe and like you know, uh,
Speaker 1: Emily Dickinson, Robert Frost and you know different. So you
Speaker 1: were a poet really at first, I mean I wasn't
Speaker 1: really a poet. I was just write a writer. And
Speaker 1: then I started trying poetry and different you know, different
Speaker 1: displays of um of the artistry, and I just I
Speaker 1: did it and I was I was dope at it.
Speaker 1: And then when I ended up transferring to this other
Speaker 1: school because I was supposed to go to my pops
Speaker 1: because I was I played ball. I was, I was
Speaker 1: a ball player, and I was supposed to go to
Speaker 1: my pops. He was coaching at this other school with
Speaker 1: my uncle Mike, and so I had to go somewhere else.
Speaker 1: So the school I went to, they was rapping. So
Speaker 1: at lunch every day it was on. So I would
Speaker 1: write before lunch, and when I got to lunch, it
Speaker 1: was time for them bars. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: so that was like my introduction. If you would have
Speaker 1: never probably went to that school, well, my dad would
Speaker 1: never and my dad probably wouldn't got killed. I probably
Speaker 1: was be playing ball. Were you were? You were you
Speaker 1: the kid who are brothers and father? I used to
Speaker 1: be like, God, dude, don't come over here with us.
Speaker 1: We're in the street. You go ball go right, um,
Speaker 1: you know what, I've always been embraced by the streets,
Speaker 1: So it was always like I never had to because
Speaker 1: like they always the streets just took kire me. I
Speaker 1: was like colloging them, you know what I'm saying, Like
Speaker 1: they just took they Yeah, they just took hire me man.
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm closer to some of the the guys,
Speaker 1: you know. I mean, and at something at one point
Speaker 1: in my life, I did stuff, you know, I did
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff, you know what I'm saying, because
Speaker 1: of a connection that I had and the trusted that
Speaker 1: they had for me. You know, on that level, you
Speaker 1: just get introduced to it because it's it's there, it's
Speaker 1: readily available for you. And I did a lot of stuff,
Speaker 1: you know, but I never liked I never glorified it,
Speaker 1: and I never thought it was fly. That's why I
Speaker 1: said the money part for me, it's like it was
Speaker 1: a lot of money, but it just it just it
Speaker 1: wasn't this. It wasn't the breakfast club. It wasn't lights,
Speaker 1: camera action, it wasn't go time. It was just like
Speaker 1: sky boxes and bottles and you know, we was popping
Speaker 1: Chris like all that mob. It wasn't the right it
Speaker 1: wasn't seen in the right way though, Like even when
Speaker 1: Mitche had it was like I didn't want to be
Speaker 1: in a crowd. I wanted I wanted to be liked,
Speaker 1: you know, Like we went to jay Z show and
Speaker 1: jay Z still on the stage and was doing like
Speaker 1: this and it was all in the crowd. I was like,
Speaker 1: I'm in the wrong spot in my spot, like what's up?
Speaker 1: So it was it was like that um because I
Speaker 1: was just on my grind and uh. I went through
Speaker 1: a couple of people, man my man Sadik, shout out
Speaker 1: Sadik and Philly Sadiq did Black Friday to put beans on.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the guy that took me to puff.
Speaker 1: I was doing my my little rap thing. I had
Speaker 1: a ten minute freestyle that I had put together. Was
Speaker 1: over like fifty different beats, and um, I was doing
Speaker 1: that for everybody whoever I could that knew somebody, and
Speaker 1: they would connecting the dots. He was like, Yo, this
Speaker 1: is amazing. I gotta take you to such and and
Speaker 1: I climbed. That's how I climbed the ladder and Sadiq
Speaker 1: took me. The Beans Beans heard it and was like, yo,
Speaker 1: took me the Dame. Dame heard it and was like, yo,
Speaker 1: it was Damon. Biggs was in there um at the time.
Speaker 1: And then it went to like it was about to
Speaker 1: go like the Jay and it was Puff. It was
Speaker 1: the last two and we went to Puff first, and
Speaker 1: Puff shut everything down. Hope wouldn't let you leave the room,
Speaker 1: not at all, especially being not at all. Know why
Speaker 1: didn't it work with Diddy? Um, why didn't it work
Speaker 1: with Diddy? Well, let me get that, nah man, because
Speaker 1: you know I do I make those like like like
Speaker 1: like like like like people make excuses. That's easy. It
Speaker 1: wasn't that, man. It was I lost that first deal
Speaker 1: because the homies everything caught up to to to to
Speaker 1: them at that point. So, I mean, these dudes were
Speaker 1: multime millionaires, you know, like who know the dudes that
Speaker 1: I was with we I took them. We went all
Speaker 1: the way to puff okay, so it was funding everything
Speaker 1: and you know, fast got involved and it got ugly.
Speaker 1: So they came and we had a dissolved this situation.
Speaker 1: It was it just did he yeah, and this is
Speaker 1: right mind you this is like not too long, like
Speaker 1: just the shine stuff. So in his mind he running
Speaker 1: from everything. It feels like he's not about to be
Speaker 1: shout out what I'm saying. Hey man, smart smart man,
Speaker 1: you know. And um, we was right there on like
Speaker 1: the customer like album, and uh, it just didn't work. Man.
Speaker 1: You know, a lot of stuff happened, man, I mean
Speaker 1: like movie stuff with my with my people that I
Speaker 1: was with. So it was a good thing that that
Speaker 1: went the way it went. You know. Um, it was unfortunate,
Speaker 1: but it was the greatest learning experience because after that,
Speaker 1: I was back in the hood and grinding and struggling
Speaker 1: and broke for like six years. So you signed with
Speaker 1: it twice. Yeah, yeah. So the first time you signed
Speaker 1: with him, you were on the CUSP and then all
Speaker 1: that happened, and then you went back and you were
Speaker 1: because nobody else was checking for the kids. I came
Speaker 1: to New York and I went to every meeting with
Speaker 1: everybody that was halfway important and they was like, Yo,
Speaker 1: this is crazy, this is crazy, and did not sign me.
Speaker 1: So when I was back in the hood, broke and
Speaker 1: it was like it's dope is right here and you
Speaker 1: know everybody and you could do this. And it was
Speaker 1: like one day the phone run after six years and
Speaker 1: it was Puff again. Wow, what did he want? He
Speaker 1: was like yo, he was like yo, I no, never
Speaker 1: never never did it. I never had a bat man. Listen,
Speaker 1: check this out. My first after the first deal, we exhausted,
Speaker 1: like with two hundred thousand dollars out of buffers. I
Speaker 1: had a half a million dollars deal back then. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, This is in oh five. So
Speaker 1: that's that was that was wavy. That like for a
Speaker 1: guy from nothing to half a million, nice little advance.
Speaker 1: I've done well, you know what I'm saying. And um,
Speaker 1: we exhausted over two hundred and fifty thousand dollars out
Speaker 1: of that budget. Puff let me have to joint without
Speaker 1: without owning me, without me owning him. That like all
Speaker 1: the things from the past, and people let me go
Speaker 1: Scott free. And we wasn't close at that time. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, let me go Scott free. Look,
Speaker 1: I know, y'all, situation ain't cool. Fast came up here.
Speaker 1: I told him nothing but good stuff about y'all. But
Speaker 1: and that wasn't even Puffed, Like Harve told me that
Speaker 1: they had to not, you know, go any further with it,
Speaker 1: with the deal or whatever. So Puff just like, yeah,
Speaker 1: man kept Kevin the hunting, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So attachment, so I still had the ability to go
Speaker 1: somewhere else without somebody saying, oh yeah, but did he
Speaker 1: got so after all that time and I go back
Speaker 1: now Puff, it's like, Yo, I'm hearing you. You're making
Speaker 1: so much noise like I saw you didn't even know
Speaker 1: it was you. Cassie told me, like, Yo, that's Lows
Speaker 1: from back in the day. Like that's Lows. Lows. He
Speaker 1: like Lows. So that's when he reached out, and um,
Speaker 1: we got in touch or whatever. I haul put to
Speaker 1: New York, you know what I'm saying, went to his
Speaker 1: book thing when he put out that book, just linked
Speaker 1: up with him. We vibed and he was just like, Yo,
Speaker 1: I'm watching you. I'm interested, Like you know, I might
Speaker 1: want to fix things and let's see like where we
Speaker 1: left off. Because it's seeming like you the one. It's
Speaker 1: seeming like you the one, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So we linked up and it took. It took a
Speaker 1: little while about how long it take Ernie a few,
Speaker 1: a few like five six about five six months, and
Speaker 1: we did it. We did a new deal, and I mean, yo,
Speaker 1: I owe everything the puff Man. It's like that that
Speaker 1: that next deal um took. That's what took me to La, Like,
Speaker 1: that's what got me out the hood. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I got a lot of questions ahead, go ahead,
Speaker 1: do you get things? So? Yeah, did jay Z? Did
Speaker 1: he thing? How do you decide I'm gonna sign with
Speaker 1: Diddy over Jay? If it's right there? Like, how do
Speaker 1: you let did he say, Okay, I'm gonna keep you
Speaker 1: in this off because we say you're not moving? We
Speaker 1: never Ah, that's that's hilarious. That's hilarious. We never got
Speaker 1: to Jay because did he wanted it that badly? He
Speaker 1: wasn't going to let you get to that's puff Man.
Speaker 1: At that time, he was like fresh off of marathon.
Speaker 1: What do you say to a man in city? Look
Speaker 1: we was in the thing and he had a window.
Speaker 1: He had a window like from there to there, like
Speaker 1: in his office, and the curtains was closed. He was
Speaker 1: sitting there the whole time, and I did the ten
Speaker 1: minute thing, and you know, he was like he was
Speaker 1: really impressed. He was trying not to be over impressed,
Speaker 1: but he was really impressed. It was hard for him
Speaker 1: to hold it back. And so everybody was quiet because
Speaker 1: I like killed the room. And then he was like
Speaker 1: got up, drew the curtains, open, the curtains and it
Speaker 1: was his billboard in Times Square was right across the
Speaker 1: thing like this. He was like, yeah, okay, okay, I'm back.
Speaker 1: I'm back. And he literally said out that I'm back
Speaker 1: because I guess I took him somewhere with my thing.
Speaker 1: So he was like, look, that's one point five a
Speaker 1: year for me to come to work every day and
Speaker 1: look at myself and every I'm with game, I'm with
Speaker 1: the most treacherous gangster gorilla get just like everybody just
Speaker 1: broke down and just bust out, bust out in the
Speaker 1: smiles because it's like that's puff, that's the that's what
Speaker 1: he do. He put that stamp on who he is.
Speaker 1: And he's you know, he's a genius marketing. And it
Speaker 1: was like, yo, this is this may be a good. Wow,
Speaker 1: I'm not only want my phone. I don't know, so
Speaker 1: I tell everybody else, throw him in the river. Throw
Speaker 1: your phone's in the late. So he said it, man,
Speaker 1: and we were just like, man, let's let's rock with
Speaker 1: this guy. You know, we're coming from where we're coming
Speaker 1: from and we're trying to turn our lives around, so
Speaker 1: let's do it. And we rock with him, and you know,
Speaker 1: I mean everything was good. We that was something that
Speaker 1: we messed up. So I'm not blaming Puff, you know,
Speaker 1: for my career, nothing like that. And then the second
Speaker 1: time around, it was just like the timing of it all.
Speaker 1: It was just in the scope, you know, I can't
Speaker 1: say that they were the most involved. You know, like
Speaker 1: when nobody coming out to you know, like Jay Grant
Speaker 1: come to my session. You know, I'm now so he's
Speaker 1: given me music. Nobody was doing that, you know. So
Speaker 1: basically I was with Puff every day. We was more
Speaker 1: close like brothers than like his artist. So like whatever
Speaker 1: he needed, I was there for him. You know. When
Speaker 1: it came like the same damn time verse and I
Speaker 1: wrote that and yeah, and that was like you, like,
Speaker 1: who wrote that? I saw you when you tweeted verse.
Speaker 1: I saw when you tweeted, like, Yo, what puff just
Speaker 1: did to that even gonna make you quit everything you're
Speaker 1: doing or go harder. And that was the thing. And
Speaker 1: when I wrote it, he didn't um, he didn't. He
Speaker 1: didn't want it at first because he said that he
Speaker 1: does want to intimidate people and he doesn't want to
Speaker 1: come off like two braggadocious. He definitely made your real
Speaker 1: it was two over the top. Yeah, and he said
Speaker 1: it that. He was like, man, I don't know if
Speaker 1: I don't I don't know if people are gonna take
Speaker 1: this the right way by me saying it, because it's
Speaker 1: all true. And I was like, yo, that's crazy. So
Speaker 1: I wrote a new verse. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: I wrote a new verse no worse than the one
Speaker 1: that he put out. Now, you wrote toned down, No, no, no,
Speaker 1: I wrote I wrote not. I just wrote another one.
Speaker 1: Wasn't toned down. I just it just wasn't. It wasn't
Speaker 1: as in your face, you know. I just wrote another
Speaker 1: one that was still crazy. Coming to his crib, pulled
Speaker 1: up to the crib, and when I got to the
Speaker 1: uh yet, we put the little studio on the crib.
Speaker 1: So by time I got to the studio, he opened
Speaker 1: the door. He was like, wait one second, and he
Speaker 1: closed the door. He was in there recording the other verse.
Speaker 1: And because he had recorded it, you know, and at
Speaker 1: the time, I think his assistant Neil told him, like, Yo,
Speaker 1: you bugging you gotta do this verse. When he started
Speaker 1: saying it, it made all the sense in the world.
Speaker 1: I didn't. I didn't even ever give him the second verse.
Speaker 1: I literally had it in my hand, so that at
Speaker 1: the same damn con I can live your life in
Speaker 1: my life. At the same damn time for my riding
Speaker 1: out money that should buy your house money. I got
Speaker 1: that I could buy more. Right, buy your house money.
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ. Now, for those six years that you had
Speaker 1: to go back home, go back to Baltimore, what did
Speaker 1: you do to make money? Um? Like, how were you surviving?
Speaker 1: Ain't no money? No, it wasn't no money. It wasn't
Speaker 1: no money in Baltimore. Like, it's only a couple of
Speaker 1: ways and make some money, you know. So that's like
Speaker 1: a problem. And I didn't want to do that. I
Speaker 1: was just taking care of man, I was just blessed,
Speaker 1: like you know, like the streets took care of me.
Speaker 1: I was protected, you know, like I got fan like
Speaker 1: my older brother was rich. You know what I'm saying. Um, okay,
Speaker 1: so you basically I was took care of my homies
Speaker 1: like they was in situations, you know, with the laws,
Speaker 1: so they couldn't really like you know, a lot of
Speaker 1: them got locked up, every last one of them. Got
Speaker 1: every last person that I took to a bad boy
Speaker 1: at that time, every last person got locked off. People
Speaker 1: at home. Now it's ten years. People, my man did,
Speaker 1: my man did a dime. He home. I got another
Speaker 1: man on waiting for to come home. The other guys
Speaker 1: we don't really care about. They did something. They did
Speaker 1: they did they did no, no, no no, they did some stuff.
Speaker 1: They did some stuff worse than that. They worse than that,
Speaker 1: worse than that. Nah, like but on that level, yeah, man,
Speaker 1: like you know what I'm saying, kid napping, you know, um,
Speaker 1: murder two people in the crew, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: So when they get to that, it's like, dude, like
Speaker 1: you we slept together, you know what I'm saying. You know,
Speaker 1: not like that we but we slept like we we
Speaker 1: grind and we stayed in hotel rooms in Jersey to
Speaker 1: just drive over the bridge. They're going to New York
Speaker 1: and hustle in the morning to try to get out dreams,
Speaker 1: and y'all did that during that time. Did you feel
Speaker 1: like you were going to give up music? Never? I
Speaker 1: never ever felt like I was gonna give up nothing.
Speaker 1: I'm from the worst of the worst. My pops was
Speaker 1: murdered when I was sixteen. What else kid equates to there?
Speaker 1: You know, there's no equivalent. There's nothing you could do
Speaker 1: to me. Nothing. You talk about balance a lot on
Speaker 1: your album. You even got a record call balance is
Speaker 1: good when you encourage brothers to get out the hood.
Speaker 1: Now a lot of people like to glorify the hood.
Speaker 1: You're telling people to get out. Explain on that a
Speaker 1: little bit, um. I mean, you can't help the hood
Speaker 1: unless you get out. You know, I just went back
Speaker 1: to the hood the other day, you know, I went
Speaker 1: back to the project sixteen hundred Bruce Court, you know,
Speaker 1: gil Mahomes project. You know what that is. You know
Speaker 1: that's where they that's where they that's where they did
Speaker 1: the thing to Freddie Gray. Yeah, I stood on them
Speaker 1: blocks every day. You know what I'm saying with all
Speaker 1: them kids, I wrapped on those corners to those kids.
Speaker 1: You know, when I first got my first deal and
Speaker 1: I caught my old school through the twenties on, and
Speaker 1: I came through the block out of sixty five. I
Speaker 1: had a sixty five, not a mana ray, but I
Speaker 1: forget what it was, right, but I had a sixty five.
Speaker 1: It was clean. Came through kids running up to the car,
Speaker 1: you know, like I was that guy to those those
Speaker 1: kids in those same projects where they did that to Freddie.
Speaker 1: So I shot um. You know what, I think I
Speaker 1: knew Freddie. I think he was just really young at
Speaker 1: the time, because this is like six seven years ago.
Speaker 1: So I think at the time he was one of
Speaker 1: the kids that was just running around being you know,
Speaker 1: I had to know him. There's no way I did
Speaker 1: not know him, because I know autumn kids, you know.
Speaker 1: And I just went back the other day and I
Speaker 1: shot Ghetto Boy, you know, and it was almost like
Speaker 1: a tribute to Freddie at the same time, and it
Speaker 1: was just so so reflective of what happened to him
Speaker 1: and those people that are still in that environment. Like
Speaker 1: we shot one scene in the ladies house in the projects,
Speaker 1: and it was like literally like yo, I remember sleeping
Speaker 1: in these these play like what is this place? Like
Speaker 1: we did it in places you can't come though, so
Speaker 1: it's like, you know, it's like really showing these kids
Speaker 1: like being visual inspiration, you know what I'm saying, and
Speaker 1: they still it's the mentality because like even when I
Speaker 1: walked up, it's like I got cranes and cameras and crew,
Speaker 1: like it looked crazy. We got the projects lit. It's
Speaker 1: like three hundred four hundred people out here. Everybody's coming out,
Speaker 1: old people looking out their doors, like what's going on?
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying? And for the first time,
Speaker 1: it's something good, you know what I'm saying. And it's
Speaker 1: still a mentality there that that it's still like a
Speaker 1: trapped this you know there. So you know, I just
Speaker 1: want to, you know, and embrace those people and show them,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying that, like, yo, you could
Speaker 1: do what I'm doing. So getting out the hood, man,
Speaker 1: somebody gotta make it out first to show people that
Speaker 1: it's possible. Absolutely, situations like Freddy Gray, Raymond Martin, Mike
Speaker 1: Brown to dance spire black Blood, um um you know
Speaker 1: what they inspired Guy Money War. You know. Um, I
Speaker 1: wrote the song War New Years. So that's how in
Speaker 1: terms of being ahead, I was because the riots was
Speaker 1: just like what a month and a half ago, almost
Speaker 1: like maybe two months like in that frame. So I
Speaker 1: wrote War, And if you look at the symbols like
Speaker 1: on the television and if you look at the war video,
Speaker 1: I put my pastor, who's Jamal Bryant, who was all
Speaker 1: over CNN doing the riots, and I put the hood
Speaker 1: the same blocks that the riots was on North Avenue
Speaker 1: with a CVS when they was run up in the
Speaker 1: in the right at the CVS all that West bottom
Speaker 1: A where I'm from, you know. So Black Blood was
Speaker 1: just another extension of all those emotions and all those feelings.
Speaker 1: M Jay Grant actually brought me, um black Blood because
Speaker 1: he felt like it would be an essential piece to
Speaker 1: what I was already creating, you know. So it the
Speaker 1: record was just awesome from the beginning, and then uh
Speaker 1: isaiahra Shaw put his artistic piece on it and it
Speaker 1: was like, all right, this is crazy. You say, black
Speaker 1: blood make the grass grow in the ghetto. Um Man,
Speaker 1: that to me, that was so metaphoric and just like
Speaker 1: it was just like such a um, you know, such
Speaker 1: an artistic thing to say. You know, I think I
Speaker 1: think about the concrete rose, you know from Tupac when
Speaker 1: I hear did black the black blood make the Grass
Speaker 1: Grow in the ghetto is probably the only thing that
Speaker 1: could grow a concrete a rose from concrete, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's like almost the ingredients to the
Speaker 1: concrete rose, you know what I'm saying. And um, yeah,
Speaker 1: those lyrics was actually already on the song when I
Speaker 1: got it. That black Blood make the Grass Grow in
Speaker 1: the Ghetto, that was already on the record, So it
Speaker 1: was I really thought the events of what we're seeing
Speaker 1: over the past hill police brutality and stuffing inspired of
Speaker 1: that record. I mean it had to, because who's who
Speaker 1: writes that without seeing that? You know, you know, I
Speaker 1: didn't personally write that. That bar that was in the
Speaker 1: hook already, you know, Um huh kn't from overdose? Yeah,
Speaker 1: shout out to him because that's crazy. And what's the
Speaker 1: joint um guns on the table? Oh yeah, you killed
Speaker 1: my papa back in eight back in ninety three, that's crazy.
Speaker 1: I killed ninety six. So that was like, you know,
Speaker 1: things were just fitting you know. But then War, I said, um,
Speaker 1: God told me this movie or right itself, stay humble,
Speaker 1: will be wise and let fooler refight itself. So really,
Speaker 1: God money, War was like putting itself together. I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I was just like getting pieces and it was just
Speaker 1: perfect every time, like literally it flew, It went all
Speaker 1: way through. You also have your son on the album
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, I got my son and my baby
Speaker 1: MoMA on the on the album. I'm the real MVP.
Speaker 1: My son two years old. Man flossing on black on
Speaker 1: Little Black Boy, you know, A Little Black Boy was
Speaker 1: inspired by Freddie tray Vaughn Mike. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: Little black Boy, and then the fathers, the fathers to
Speaker 1: the tray Varns. You know what I'm saying, Like, we need,
Speaker 1: we need, we need pops, we need, we need people
Speaker 1: to own up and be responsible and raise your sons. Man,
Speaker 1: don't let these little black boys go out here and
Speaker 1: get murdered and be subject to all these things that
Speaker 1: you could protect them from. You know what I'm saying,
Speaker 1: I shouldn't have to raise your children as a rapper.
Speaker 1: You know, now, how hard is it for you with
Speaker 1: everything that goes on of course, you know having a son, Now,
Speaker 1: what are some things that you you are concerned about,
Speaker 1: and what are some things that you're gonna tell your
Speaker 1: son about growing up? And you know, just everything about
Speaker 1: living his life. Man, I'm just like the I'm just
Speaker 1: like the ultimate daddy, you know what I'm saying. So
Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure, like like I'll already be joking with
Speaker 1: my son about like being light skinned. I'll be joking.
Speaker 1: I'll be joking with it, like my son got a
Speaker 1: sense of human Like my son will crack a joke.
Speaker 1: He's not even always like fluid in his speech, but
Speaker 1: he'll crack a joke like he knows when he's doing
Speaker 1: something funny, you know. So like I face time him
Speaker 1: and he'll be like Mama, and I'm like nah, nah nah,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all about dad, dad. And he's like
Speaker 1: na na na mama, And I'm like, oh, so it's
Speaker 1: really about my money, Like no, no, no, me me.
Speaker 1: So he didn't say it's about him, and then he
Speaker 1: just joke put his hand on his mouth and laugh.
Speaker 1: I'm like, this kid is just you know, so I like,
Speaker 1: uh taught him how to walk in all those things.
Speaker 1: So I'm just like that's how my dad was with me.
Speaker 1: You know, he was that connected. So it's like it's
Speaker 1: nothing we're not gonna talk about. We're gonna talk about
Speaker 1: girls and everything. Cheat channel, man channel. Now. I saw
Speaker 1: Meek Mill tweet once that King Loos is one of
Speaker 1: the nicest out here. Everybody in the game knows it.
Speaker 1: Take use yours. So what do you think has been
Speaker 1: to hold up for you? Um? Just the way, just
Speaker 1: the way my story should unfold, just the way it
Speaker 1: should go, you know. Um, just being a real champion
Speaker 1: and like really really being able to like can't know,
Speaker 1: there's there's nothing nobody could say, Like, like there's not
Speaker 1: one thing a person could say. There's not really one
Speaker 1: critique that people can have because I keep on advancing.
Speaker 1: You know, Um, I actually liked my journey better than
Speaker 1: a lot of other people who are more successful than me.
Speaker 1: You know, I gotta be honest with you. A lot
Speaker 1: of people on their way down because they hit peaks.
Speaker 1: You look, man, let's keep it, let's keep it a billion.
Speaker 1: I'm still elevating, you know. To me, that's the Mara thought.
Speaker 1: Everybody was sprinting and just running and now I'm like
Speaker 1: passing them like and they just they looking tired. You
Speaker 1: gotta understand I was going to neck and neck with
Speaker 1: Wayne when Wayne was dropping the hottest freestyles in the
Speaker 1: world and the putting out. I was dropping the hottest
Speaker 1: freestyles in the world. I just didn't have the world
Speaker 1: to know it. Now when I go on Sway, it's
Speaker 1: number one. This is that people are recognizing I did control.
Speaker 1: Kendrick is like, yo, that's that's the best. No. Nobody
Speaker 1: at the record station, at the at the radio station
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, so what do you think about Los's verse?
Speaker 1: They mentioned everybody but me, and Kendrick's like nah and
Speaker 1: Los because it's like, at some point, man, you just
Speaker 1: gotta give it up. If Meek is like, yo, you've
Speaker 1: been the nicest. He giving it up because we gotta
Speaker 1: give it up to Meek. When when he threw the
Speaker 1: intro or do something, it's like, you gotta give it up.
Speaker 1: You can't what can you say the intro Meek Mill
Speaker 1: in the club, let's stop talking. When Drake do with
Speaker 1: Drake do you gotta give it up? So when I
Speaker 1: saw Drake, he gave it up. These artists reach out
Speaker 1: to you, like, let's work on something. Together. They don't.
Speaker 1: They don't necessarily reach out. They don't necessarily reach out,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because they're like, if he
Speaker 1: get on at helping him because he gonna trump everybody.
Speaker 1: I don't know what they think. Um, I just could
Speaker 1: say that I do recognize in respect and appreciate the
Speaker 1: competitive nature of the art form. Quote unquote that's from
Speaker 1: fifty cent. Fifty cent talks about the competitive nature to
Speaker 1: art form. I just had a conversation with fifty cent
Speaker 1: the other day, by the way, too, that was really
Speaker 1: really in depth because I did this is fifty but
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's a it's a it's a it's a competition.
Speaker 1: You know. Michael Jordan wasn't putting people on. You know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. He was putting on. So I don't
Speaker 1: expect nobody to you know. That's why I like, I
Speaker 1: don't feel like puff owed me nothing. He gave me chances.
Speaker 1: You know, shucks. If it won't for that first shot
Speaker 1: and the second shot, the third shot, I wouldn't even
Speaker 1: have you know, I wouldn't have my son out of
Speaker 1: a dangerous environment. I'm gucci, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: And um, I don't expect nobody to do nothing for me.
Speaker 1: But what I can promise you is that there you
Speaker 1: won't have a choice soon. And that's that's that's just
Speaker 1: what it is. Like I'm learning, growing and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: I'm coming for the for the I'm coming for the spot. Now.
Speaker 1: Did he did a rant on Rick Ross his mastermind
Speaker 1: more than nobody and everybody said he was talking to um.
Speaker 1: The thing is the way people perceive it. Um, the
Speaker 1: conversation was with me. But um, anybody to know puff
Speaker 1: know that he goes on these these rants, you know,
Speaker 1: and like the thing with us was like yo, he
Speaker 1: started saying like yo, Like I'll be around him and
Speaker 1: I pick up on like you know, he got fifty
Speaker 1: people around him doing stuff. He'll say something like Yo,
Speaker 1: did anybody get that? So the moy kept saying stuff
Speaker 1: like that, I just be on deck. So like when
Speaker 1: he's saying stuff, I'm already on record. So you was
Speaker 1: recording it. I recorded it. So we was in his
Speaker 1: room and we were just talking about the industry and
Speaker 1: just like my direction, like what he saw for me,
Speaker 1: you know, and you know, Um, it's like one of
Speaker 1: the greatest time speeches ever because we was literally talking
Speaker 1: and they chopped it a lot, but we were just
Speaker 1: talking about like the direction of these dudes is going
Speaker 1: in and where he saw me. And he's like, yo,
Speaker 1: I see you as somebody that I could like hand
Speaker 1: the torch to. And I never felt like that about
Speaker 1: an artist, you know, after you know, Biggie and you know,
Speaker 1: he was just giving me such a high, you know, accolade,
Speaker 1: and you know, he was just like, yo, check this out.
Speaker 1: And then he started saying this this piece and he
Speaker 1: just went into like, yo, you don't want to walk
Speaker 1: with these roaches. And then and he's like, you gotta
Speaker 1: walk with God, and you know, and that's the puff
Speaker 1: and he putting on. But he knew I was recording
Speaker 1: because I'm like so he went kept going in. I'm like,
Speaker 1: I'm like not even trying to talk because it's so epic.
Speaker 1: So I had it. And then the next day he
Speaker 1: was like, yo, you recorded that thing that I was.
Speaker 1: I said, yeah. He said, send it to me. I
Speaker 1: want to hear I just want to listen to it.
Speaker 1: So I sent it to him and he played it
Speaker 1: for French, of all people, shout out to my brother French.
Speaker 1: He played it from French, and French played it for
Speaker 1: Ross and that's how it got on Ross's album because
Speaker 1: it French was like, French is like the song maniac
Speaker 1: like he like, so he saw it like being a
Speaker 1: part of a record. And I was already using it
Speaker 1: as something because I recorded because a bootleg at Hard
Speaker 1: French seeing a whole vision for that thing, and um
Speaker 1: he was working in with Ross, so it tied in,
Speaker 1: you know. And um so people just thought like Diddy
Speaker 1: was like getting out on me and going nut crazy
Speaker 1: on me or something. I'm like, like, that's the whole
Speaker 1: thing we do, like we I have. I have so
Speaker 1: many things in my phone, Like I used one on
Speaker 1: my on my album that just came out when he
Speaker 1: was like I ain't here to look all cool. I
Speaker 1: already am cool. So he didn't go in the studio
Speaker 1: and do that. Nah, that was off my phone. I
Speaker 1: got whatever y'all need out there. I got committing but
Speaker 1: this you know it's gonna cost you know what I'm saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I got a lot of stuff that Puff say, man,
Speaker 1: because he say that blue stuff that you want to
Speaker 1: be able to go back and listen to. Like I
Speaker 1: got stuff with me and Pharrell like how we come
Speaker 1: up with records, you know, we go back and forth
Speaker 1: and rap I got like twenty thirty minute things of
Speaker 1: me and Pharrell just going back with a freestyle, Like
Speaker 1: I just feel like that's classic something to have, you know,
Speaker 1: I could you could use it at any time in life.
Speaker 1: Even if Diddy was yelling at you. What do you
Speaker 1: say back to Diddy? Nothing If that's the If that's
Speaker 1: the thing that somebody's yelling at you, you might want
Speaker 1: to just be listening and taking it in and not
Speaker 1: being all in your feelings and all being mad and
Speaker 1: really just get that halftime speech in. I mean, any
Speaker 1: you know, anybody that wants to motivate you. They can't
Speaker 1: always just be on your good side or like what
Speaker 1: does that change? Like change comes with devastation, you know,
Speaker 1: and and and extreme discomfort. Change don't come with like
Speaker 1: you being cool with the whole vibe. Like I feel
Speaker 1: like your voice, like you can never change something about me,
Speaker 1: But I feel like you could change a person because
Speaker 1: you you might anti canna a something so much to
Speaker 1: the point where a person, Yo, look what you're gonna
Speaker 1: do and you just keep it in a thousand like
Speaker 1: you're like no cut no cut is good and it's
Speaker 1: a balance. So when you got like the extremely sweet
Speaker 1: like I don't see you do a lot of disagreeing,
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. When you got that, then
Speaker 1: you got that, it's like, Okay, I see what the
Speaker 1: I see what the scale is. But that right there
Speaker 1: make you say, it'll make you reevaluate. Well, let's talk
Speaker 1: about that. Because I liked the I love the first
Speaker 1: seven songs on your album Okay, but it seemed like
Speaker 1: the last seven it's like, it's almost like you're doing
Speaker 1: radio records. Is that what it felt like? The last seven?
Speaker 1: It felt like the last seven was like, yeah, this
Speaker 1: is for the label. Well you know what? It was
Speaker 1: a couple did I did? Um like the tides dollar
Speaker 1: signs one with them must be that? That was a
Speaker 1: Jay Grant creation song. Yeah. I did four different versions
Speaker 1: because I had to digress to the we. That was
Speaker 1: an interesting record. Yeah. Um that that Let's see Can't
Speaker 1: Fade Us was Can't fade this? That? That was it? Um?
Speaker 1: That was the radio one. I like confidence, that's tough,
Speaker 1: confidences crazy dull. So you felt like you felt like
Speaker 1: to be Honest was a radio record. To be honest
Speaker 1: it's cool. I like, to be honest, cool, it's more
Speaker 1: like camp fade Us the Tide Dollar signs one. And
Speaker 1: because that's it, I don't really have no radio slave
Speaker 1: with content wise, It's just you know, I was basically
Speaker 1: like this. I was giving people like, uh, what's good
Speaker 1: for you? What vegetable is good for you? Like anything green?
Speaker 1: Like just like yeah, like, uh, broccoli in a Louis
Speaker 1: Va tom box. You get to Louis Va tombox, You're like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, you open up, it's like yo, broccoli.
Speaker 1: That was like slave because like it sounds like a
Speaker 1: trap joint. But if you if you break down my lyrics,
Speaker 1: you know, everybody's a victim. The vindictive system been in
Speaker 1: his dam. I've been thinking the whole the statement is
Speaker 1: in like that. That's that's what I'm giving you. That's like,
Speaker 1: you know, it just I wrapped it in and in
Speaker 1: that because I felt like I didn't want to have
Speaker 1: something that was so preachy and so slow. I felt
Speaker 1: like I wanted something that has some pace and some aggression.
Speaker 1: So that was just me trying to moderate and keep
Speaker 1: like the people who aren't as a stute, you know
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, the people who don't have that attention
Speaker 1: span to just sit there and listen through war and
Speaker 1: God money, war and ghetto boys. Yeah, so that but
Speaker 1: that's the thing. If I could please you with seven
Speaker 1: songs and somebody else with seven then as long as
Speaker 1: I didn't compromise the integrity of my message, then I'm gucci.
Speaker 1: I felt like cam Faders was a little off from
Speaker 1: the message of what I had, but it really fitting
Speaker 1: the money. When you think about the just the money
Speaker 1: of it in the time, you're just being caught up
Speaker 1: in that. It's still fit, you know, and it's adult record.
Speaker 1: It's Mustard and ty Dollar, like that's a no brainer
Speaker 1: for a little commercial though. Yeah, I mean, hey, what's
Speaker 1: wrong with being commercial? Though? I feel like everybody does that,
Speaker 1: like everybody, But to my attribute, I've never had a
Speaker 1: commercial record, like you know, I've never had radio and
Speaker 1: none of that stuff. So it's it's it's still a
Speaker 1: good thing to grow too. You know, you don't want
Speaker 1: to get stuck where you just get boring and you
Speaker 1: know you're just like dry. Like I love those kind
Speaker 1: of records because it reminded me, beat wise of like
Speaker 1: where a Millie was just with the snare with the
Speaker 1: ki ki ki ki ki ki. That's a millie all day.
Speaker 1: So when I first got the song, I just went crazy.
Speaker 1: I went like one hundred miles an hour. And then
Speaker 1: and people who like had to tell me, like Jazzy
Speaker 1: Faye and Puff, like Jazzy Faye is one of my mentors,
Speaker 1: Like he had to tell me, like, dude, it's not
Speaker 1: about rapping. Because if that's the case, thing you already won.
Speaker 1: It's not just about rapping. Think about people who like music,
Speaker 1: who just want to dance. And then Puff was like, yo,
Speaker 1: it's like who could dance to that? Like you're rapping
Speaker 1: so fast, nobody could dance to that. And I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't get it. I was I was almost like
Speaker 1: almost offended by that. And I'm like, yo, I'm like no,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to kill the track because I don't want
Speaker 1: somebody to say I did a commercial song. And my
Speaker 1: bars was what, But that's not what it's about. When
Speaker 1: you're making a song for people to have fun, the
Speaker 1: only thing you should worry about is did they have fun?
Speaker 1: Everything don't have to be a lyrical slaughter, you know,
Speaker 1: And I'm just learning that. That's why Jay Biggie and
Speaker 1: pocat Sol though, come on, Biggs man and still have
Speaker 1: it bart so can Faders is still barred up. It's
Speaker 1: still barred up, and I had to tone it down.
Speaker 1: So imagine the other version, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's still a dope record. Man and confidence?
Speaker 1: Who who is that record for? Man? What insecure, low
Speaker 1: self esteem person did you have in your life that
Speaker 1: you have to instill that confidence in them? I feel
Speaker 1: like I feel like, you know, did this world needs
Speaker 1: a confidence booster? The man. I see so many people
Speaker 1: who are followers and don't have their own thing, you know.
Speaker 1: I feel like, man, just have a little confidence and
Speaker 1: maybe you'll be all right. Like I just see a
Speaker 1: lot of people following, and we have a lack of
Speaker 1: leadership right now, you know, in our community. So I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to show people, man, how to just be
Speaker 1: confident and get through. Like I said, guy, money war
Speaker 1: wasn't for me. It was for all the things I
Speaker 1: felt like we needed, you know, I felt like it
Speaker 1: was necessary devices, you know that need to be implanted
Speaker 1: into our communities, into our kids, and you know, the
Speaker 1: youth especially, but even some of these older people that's
Speaker 1: just stuck, you know, like my mom, Like I want
Speaker 1: my mom to have confidence, Like I don't want you
Speaker 1: to feel like you're too old to do nothing. Now, now,
Speaker 1: my mom was chef, you know, but she used to
Speaker 1: work for the city in Baltimore. Like now she's a
Speaker 1: chef in LA. Like she used to cook for Tiger
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, and his whole crew. Yeah,
Speaker 1: go to his crib, cook like his personal chef. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I put my mom, you know, I gave it a
Speaker 1: whole Like, look, we are in LA. You can cook crazy.
Speaker 1: Let's go to culinary school. Let's get this, Let's get it.
Speaker 1: Let's get a popping. Now she is chef and she
Speaker 1: cooked for all this studios. I go to everybody order up.
Speaker 1: She delivered the food like she getting it in. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, do you plan to go
Speaker 1: on tour for this album? Of course? I. Look, I've
Speaker 1: been going on tour for every CD I ever put out,
Speaker 1: and I've been just dropped. I was just only drop
Speaker 1: had ever dropped mixtapes. I've always been going on tour.
Speaker 1: I always had a crazy core, you know, fan base,
Speaker 1: and I've always been torn. So now that I'm on
Speaker 1: a label, and Jay Grant is gonna make sure that
Speaker 1: everything's okay, and ICM is gonna make sure I'm booked up.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be on tour. It's crazy now. Now we're
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know, across the pond and touch the
Speaker 1: Londons and we gotta hit it everywhere now, So we
Speaker 1: just gotta keep spreading a good word. What's the easiest
Speaker 1: content for you to write about? Man, God, money, war?
Speaker 1: The easiest thing for me to write about, the easiest
Speaker 1: thing for me to write about, man, anything that's real
Speaker 1: in my life. I have a hard time trying to
Speaker 1: do scripted stuff and create stuff that's not real. It's
Speaker 1: harder for me to make a record that everybody could
Speaker 1: turn up to because like I don't even go to
Speaker 1: clubs like that, you know what I'm saying. I pop
Speaker 1: in and out. You know what I'm saying. I'm more low.
Speaker 1: But you know, um, so it's probably easier for me
Speaker 1: to write something with some substance. You know, it's easy
Speaker 1: for me to write something deep, Like it's easier for
Speaker 1: me to write something deep than it is for me
Speaker 1: to write something more basic, you know. So that's that's
Speaker 1: what I'm trying to grow to as well by having
Speaker 1: a two year old. Everything can't be so deep and elaborate,
Speaker 1: you know, you gotta break it down for them. So
Speaker 1: that taught me a lot with this album, you know,
Speaker 1: just talking to everybody, not missing nobody. You know what
Speaker 1: for your son's mother to be on the album, was
Speaker 1: that you asking her, Hey, you know what, I need
Speaker 1: you to come get on this tongue And was she like,
Speaker 1: come on, but I know you're gonna put me on
Speaker 1: the album. No, that's just man though. That's just like
Speaker 1: she's an artist and you know I don't have to
Speaker 1: be an artist. And you can tell her like, look
Speaker 1: isn't for you? She Um. You know, UM, I challenge
Speaker 1: anybody that um because like I don't like, I don't
Speaker 1: write her, I don't write her wraps. You know what
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I know a lot of people, um, especially
Speaker 1: female since the beginning of female rap. You know, UM
Speaker 1: had help, you know, but like I don't help her
Speaker 1: with her stuff. You know, I helped her learn how
Speaker 1: to you know, construct bars and put stuff together. But um,
Speaker 1: she got some stuff that's about to come out that's cold.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And it's all about growing
Speaker 1: like she hadn't been rapping that long. You know. It's
Speaker 1: it's dudes, it can't rap, you know. And it's a
Speaker 1: couple of things that we did together with I felt
Speaker 1: like she had the better verse your baby mom. Would
Speaker 1: you respect her as the artist? Now? Yeah, I remember
Speaker 1: when she first I remember when she first started rapping
Speaker 1: on when she first started rapping, When she first started rapping,
Speaker 1: she I mean she couldn't rap it period, Like she
Speaker 1: couldn't rap like, but she wanted to rap. I guarantee you,
Speaker 1: I got any amount of money that she is one
Speaker 1: of the dopest female rappers. I got any amount of money.
Speaker 1: I bet you one hundred dollars. I bet you. I
Speaker 1: bet you too, I bet you. I bet you two
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. So what I'm gonna do is I'm gonna
Speaker 1: personally send you. I'm gonna personally send you a record, right, Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't write Now, Hold on, did you hear um
Speaker 1: Lipstick and Pistols what her CD? Yeah? Absolutely? Nut Yo,
Speaker 1: listen to me. Listen, that's why you're talking. If you
Speaker 1: if you heard the song Gorgeous, you would flip man.
Speaker 1: When she did gorgeous. First of all, it's a hip
Speaker 1: hop record, and it's so crazy. The swag of it
Speaker 1: is so ridiculous. Then it made me reassess why I'm
Speaker 1: doing so much stuff. This sounds so clubby. At the time,
Speaker 1: I was kind of all over the place. She did that.
Speaker 1: Now mind you, she was in the hotel a game,
Speaker 1: you know, Wiz and around that. So Wiz got a
Speaker 1: more relaxed overall. He do some turn up, but he
Speaker 1: got a more like you know. And when she got
Speaker 1: into that whole essence, and she just really started to
Speaker 1: learn and embody what it was about, yo, she got
Speaker 1: really really dope. You know what. I'm not even going
Speaker 1: to this future because I am not. I never listened
Speaker 1: to her music. Yeah, but I just say that. But
Speaker 1: you heard her with Calia. I guarantee you I could
Speaker 1: play you something and respectfully, because you respect real music,
Speaker 1: you would dig it in. I do not write any
Speaker 1: of her bars. Let me hear a song, and I
Speaker 1: let you hear a song. What you're gonna tell me
Speaker 1: is this. You're gonna say you wrote that. That's what
Speaker 1: you're gonna try to put on me. And I'm gonna
Speaker 1: tell you I did not write it, and I mean that.
Speaker 1: I do not write her stuff, bro, And I promise
Speaker 1: I'm gonna write you something and you're gonna I'm gonna
Speaker 1: let you hear something and you're gonna respect it. I
Speaker 1: promise you. This is me saying it like I don't
Speaker 1: have to say she dope, like I don't have to
Speaker 1: pump her up like honestly, like I could hold everything down.
Speaker 1: I could write all her wraps if it like, think
Speaker 1: about it, think about the dynamics of it. I could
Speaker 1: write all her wraps and you could never speak like
Speaker 1: I could write her the craziest bars if you got to,
Speaker 1: if you got to go up against females, it ain't
Speaker 1: even fair Like I could do that, but I don't.
Speaker 1: So if I'm telling you she's dope and you're gonna
Speaker 1: like it, I promise you. And I know where it
Speaker 1: comes from. I told her, I said, you're not gonna
Speaker 1: get respect at first. You know, she used to get
Speaker 1: outfits made and all this stuff to go rap, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, yo, that's not I used to tell her
Speaker 1: she come on stage high heels and on. I said, yo,
Speaker 1: you used to be a video model. You're not gonna
Speaker 1: get respect like that. That's why she don't sell sex.
Speaker 1: That's why when she rapped, like it's easy for her
Speaker 1: to have a million followers on Instagram, she got like
Speaker 1: two hundred thousand, like two hundred thousand because she not
Speaker 1: with her out in the booty out. She got all
Speaker 1: that she had a first, but she trying to establish
Speaker 1: that respect. It comes with the hip hop community. She
Speaker 1: really got a love for the craft. And look, she'd
Speaker 1: be writing all night. I'm gonna let you here. She'd
Speaker 1: be writing all night and I don't be helping her,
Speaker 1: and I'd be hard on her. I'd be like, Nah,
Speaker 1: that's that's weak. How did you guys end up getting together?
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mat. I mean, did y'all meet in the
Speaker 1: studio where it was with that video? We met like
Speaker 1: five different times, and she tried to hit me with
Speaker 1: the hidsman, and every time I just swerved it. I
Speaker 1: was like, you can't hit me with the higsman. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna get you. Like like, I had a poster of
Speaker 1: her on my on the wall back when I was
Speaker 1: in Baltimore, and I and every days to tell my man,
Speaker 1: my man's son. I used to I used to be like, yo,
Speaker 1: that's gonna be my girl. I just didn't see a
Speaker 1: girl that looked better than her. And then I've seen
Speaker 1: it in real life. And then I got the number,
Speaker 1: and I even swagged at Charlot Man. I swagged it.
Speaker 1: I waited two weeks. I waited two weeks. Every number
Speaker 1: it was, it was, it was her. Man jet the time,
Speaker 1: Oh Man answer the phone like, yoh this Mike. Now
Speaker 1: we're low lad, Mike, you're playing Oh? I said, Look,
Speaker 1: she gave me the number, told me car so you
Speaker 1: need to put on the phone. So he wouldn't so
Speaker 1: I seen her again. We end up having the same
Speaker 1: entertainment lawyer, and he gave me the one up. Man
Speaker 1: shout out the park guard and he gave me the
Speaker 1: one up. He was like, man, look's coming through the office.
Speaker 1: You could be here and pretend to be leaving. So
Speaker 1: if you just came get down here, I could pretend
Speaker 1: to be leaving so you could say high on the
Speaker 1: way out, did your man. I always got my best
Speaker 1: outfit on. So I came down there, and when she
Speaker 1: came this time, I said, this time, I swag it.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna act like I don't even care. I'm gonna
Speaker 1: act like I never meant you, never saw you in life.
Speaker 1: So she came in there and she walked in that
Speaker 1: joint and I gave it a five, like you give
Speaker 1: a dude. I was like, what's up? What's something up?
Speaker 1: And I walked out and then she she was interested
Speaker 1: in music, so that's what the meeting was about. So
Speaker 1: he called me back. Look, she's interested in doing music,
Speaker 1: you should help her. That would be great. So I
Speaker 1: ended up helping her with music, and now she got
Speaker 1: my son. I remember the news came out. I was like,
Speaker 1: I didn't even know that shot the whole club up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because a lot of people didn't even know. I remember
Speaker 1: when it came out and I was like, oh, congratulations,
Speaker 1: because I didn't even know y'all were dating. I was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you what though, on some real stuff, man,
Speaker 1: you could look at a person and you can e
Speaker 1: gauge them from what you think. But she earned my
Speaker 1: respect in so many ways. Man. It was so many
Speaker 1: dudes on her heels, so many people, and it was
Speaker 1: like I seen her curve people. I seen her The
Speaker 1: phone calls never curved me. Well. In the beginning, it
Speaker 1: was like just like how how you cute, but were
Speaker 1: in the streets. You ain't getting the number. And that
Speaker 1: was dope, right because I was getting numbers like don't
Speaker 1: play so And another thing was we spent the whole
Speaker 1: year before she even let me get any like in
Speaker 1: the same bed, sleeping every night, nothing, every night nothing.
Speaker 1: Let's not put that out there now. We don't need
Speaker 1: to discourage girls from giving no listen, listen, but this
Speaker 1: is but this is what got my respect. Every night
Speaker 1: I felt like every night, I'm like, I'm gonna crack
Speaker 1: the night, I'm ana crack it. Nothing for a year
Speaker 1: straight after the year, we just had the craziest bond
Speaker 1: and we was tight and it was like, all right,
Speaker 1: come on, so yeah, I was just cuddling in bad
Speaker 1: We was cuddling in bed. But that every the booty
Speaker 1: kept me sane. And then it was just like one day,
Speaker 1: you know, she had to bow down to a player
Speaker 1: greater than her. She had to bow down because I
Speaker 1: stuck in there, hung in there. Man. This is my
Speaker 1: final question. I don't think about this other day. You
Speaker 1: call yourself to God, as I do. So I'm wondering,
Speaker 1: do you think I'll call myself to God? Don't call
Speaker 1: yourself to God. No call myself king los Where did
Speaker 1: you get that? I've never heard that. I was like,
Speaker 1: maybe this is something somebody about. Man. Look they call
Speaker 1: they called me that every time. I don't call myself
Speaker 1: to God, but I do reflecting the God within myself.
Speaker 1: If I do you want to have something that's missing
Speaker 1: because that is empowered? Yes, yes, you post call yourself.
Speaker 1: I feel like that. I feel like that's missing. And
Speaker 1: it's like this, if you say that God is the
Speaker 1: father of Christ. If you could say that and then
Speaker 1: you say that we are children of God, I'm my
Speaker 1: father all day. Walk like them, talk like him, look
Speaker 1: like them. You know what I'm saying. So Genesis one
Speaker 1: twenty six is God pred a man in his image
Speaker 1: according to his likeness. So come on, man. And I
Speaker 1: think that's why people don't do godly things and don't
Speaker 1: be on that frequency because they don't really identify with
Speaker 1: it that that much. They put it over there, and
Speaker 1: then they put themselves in a smaller space. Of course
Speaker 1: we're smaller. We didn't create ourselves. But like you know,
Speaker 1: I just want to do things like you know, like
Speaker 1: how he did it, like he said, let that be light.
Speaker 1: That's why I can't nobody put darkness over me. Can't
Speaker 1: nobody tell me what I'm not gonna be or not do.
Speaker 1: God said, let that be light, So he killed all
Speaker 1: that already. I'm gonna create just like he created, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. So yeah, pretty much that I
Speaker 1: like it. Man, that's the wars and stores right now.
Speaker 1: We out chair, We out chair. Number one in the
Speaker 1: country right now, is not playing. He's jazz. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: that too, right now. I just seen Meek just drops
Speaker 1: this thing too. Well. Yeah, shout outs to meet though. Man,
Speaker 1: I don't want to sign a major. It's not always
Speaker 1: such a bad thing, you know. Everybody's always like independent.
Speaker 1: My man, King los Man, got money, wants stores right now.
Speaker 1: Thank you for coming to my brother, Thank you man,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Man. Absolutely it's the breakfast Club.