1 00:00:03,480 --> 00:00:07,000 Speaker 1: What's this way up with Angela Yee And it's that time. 2 00:00:07,080 --> 00:00:10,559 Speaker 1: We got some really important things to discuss. Coach Jesse 3 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: is here with me, of course, and we're talking about 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:15,440 Speaker 1: something that affects so many of us. And this is 5 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,360 Speaker 1: a topic that Coach Jesse is always bringing to the forefront. 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:19,560 Speaker 2: And so am I on way. 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,840 Speaker 1: Up because this affects a lot of black women in particular, 8 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:27,560 Speaker 1: and that is what happens when doctors don't listen. Now, 9 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,040 Speaker 1: we do have somebody here who has been on it 10 00:00:31,040 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: and on it in the medical world. Her TikTok about 11 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,840 Speaker 1: patient dismissal went viral. We're going to talk about ww's 12 00:00:37,880 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: and all of that, right and yes, and one point 13 00:00:41,520 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: nine million views you got and then eight hundred and 14 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,280 Speaker 1: two thousand on Instagram as a real you're a Board 15 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:51,440 Speaker 1: Certify family physician, a health equity advocate, and the founder 16 00:00:51,479 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: of Clinicians Who Care. Doctor Bio Curry Minchelle is here, 17 00:00:55,200 --> 00:00:57,120 Speaker 1: Doctor Bio, welcome to weigh Up. 18 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:00,200 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me. I'm just excited to us 19 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:02,040 Speaker 3: to be here in this room. Like the energy. 20 00:01:02,080 --> 00:01:04,120 Speaker 2: I'm all in listen, I love your energy. 21 00:01:04,160 --> 00:01:07,560 Speaker 1: And just for backstory on her way here, she had 22 00:01:07,560 --> 00:01:08,800 Speaker 1: a journey, but she made it. 23 00:01:09,319 --> 00:01:12,480 Speaker 3: I sure did, and I stayed positive. But yes, my 24 00:01:12,600 --> 00:01:14,959 Speaker 3: uber driver got into an accident, you know, but I 25 00:01:15,040 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 3: hustle it got out and I had some exercise this morning. 26 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 3: So that's wonderful. 27 00:01:19,120 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: I came in here and looking like nothing happened. But yes, 28 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,480 Speaker 1: so we're glad to have you here. And of course, 29 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:28,640 Speaker 1: Coach Jesse is the person who brought you to the 30 00:01:28,640 --> 00:01:31,039 Speaker 1: forefront from me, and you're gonna you're gonna be talking 31 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: with us and educating all of us and keeping us 32 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: all accountable, because that's what Coach Jesse does for me. 33 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 1: You know, she is the founder of the detax now 34 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:40,080 Speaker 1: dot com. 35 00:01:40,080 --> 00:01:40,640 Speaker 2: Coach Jesse. 36 00:01:41,080 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 4: Yes, ma'am, welcome back, Thank you, I love you. 37 00:01:44,360 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 2: I love you too. 38 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,480 Speaker 1: Now, doctor Baya, before we get into the solutions that 39 00:01:48,560 --> 00:01:50,800 Speaker 1: you've come up with, because I feel like it's one 40 00:01:50,800 --> 00:01:53,240 Speaker 1: thing to talk about problems, but it's another thing when 41 00:01:53,280 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: you actually find how do we solve these issues? Because 42 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: we've been talking about a lot of the problems that 43 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: we have when it comes to our health, right, and 44 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: so I want people to understand what your story is. 45 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: You live this not. 46 00:02:05,080 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: Just as a doctor, but also as a patient, so 47 00:02:08,720 --> 00:02:12,080 Speaker 1: talk to us about what was happening with you and 48 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 1: how doctors kept brushing you off. 49 00:02:14,840 --> 00:02:17,799 Speaker 3: So the work that I do in this advocacy space 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: exactly what you said, Angela. People talk about it, but 51 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: what is the action behind it? And although I've been 52 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,079 Speaker 3: in this space for a long time, it wasn't until 53 00:02:26,280 --> 00:02:28,840 Speaker 3: I nearly became a statistic that we hear about all 54 00:02:28,880 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 3: the time, which is black women are three times more 55 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,080 Speaker 3: likely to die during childbirth or shortly thereafter than our 56 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,320 Speaker 3: white counterpart. Well, I had just delivered my second baby 57 00:02:39,639 --> 00:02:41,920 Speaker 3: and I came out of the c section, and it 58 00:02:41,960 --> 00:02:45,679 Speaker 3: was about thirty minutes. I knew I didn't feel right, 59 00:02:45,880 --> 00:02:48,320 Speaker 3: and I knew it because I was having a hard 60 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 3: time concentrating, I was having a hard time talking, and 61 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:54,639 Speaker 3: I just felt this level of fatigue that I had 62 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 3: not felt two years prior with my first baby. So 63 00:02:58,520 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 3: as I sat with that, I finally said I called 64 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 3: my nurse and I said, something isn't right and she said, 65 00:03:05,880 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 3: you look fine, bio, everything looks normal. This is how 66 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,520 Speaker 3: you're supposed to feel. So I sat with that for 67 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 3: a little bit longer and I started to get worse. 68 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,360 Speaker 3: So I reached out to her again, and she said, 69 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,240 Speaker 3: this is completely normal. You are experiencing everything that you 70 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,880 Speaker 3: should and as she I'll never forget. As she exited 71 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 3: that as she exited the room, it started to get worse. 72 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:29,960 Speaker 3: I started to feel a pain that I'd never felt 73 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 3: in my life. And so I asked my husband to 74 00:03:34,080 --> 00:03:36,440 Speaker 3: call my doctor, and I was luckily to have the 75 00:03:36,480 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 3: privilege of having his number thank you in my phone, 76 00:03:41,480 --> 00:03:44,200 Speaker 3: and so he called and said, something's wrong with bio. 77 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 78 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:49,560 Speaker 3: My doctor came over and he knew something wasn't right. 79 00:03:49,680 --> 00:03:52,760 Speaker 3: I at that point, I could barely articulate what was happening. 80 00:03:53,080 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 3: Next thing I know, I go to the I'm sent 81 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 3: to the or. I found that I'm bleeding internally, I'm 82 00:03:59,240 --> 00:04:02,920 Speaker 3: transfusingmultiple units of blood. It was hospitalized for weeks and 83 00:04:02,960 --> 00:04:07,200 Speaker 3: so in that moment, I nearly lost my life. 84 00:04:07,320 --> 00:04:10,520 Speaker 2: And so and knowing something was wrong. 85 00:04:10,360 --> 00:04:14,480 Speaker 3: I knew something was wrong. And so this work that 86 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:17,160 Speaker 3: I do is not only just a part of this like, 87 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 3: it's personal. I want to help as many people as 88 00:04:22,080 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: I can, and especially women and black women be able 89 00:04:25,560 --> 00:04:28,159 Speaker 3: to have that voice because I know what it's like 90 00:04:28,560 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: and I nearly became that statistic. So if I can 91 00:04:31,560 --> 00:04:35,080 Speaker 3: share my story and hopes that that's statistic that you hear, 92 00:04:35,200 --> 00:04:38,599 Speaker 3: you can have an image behind it, because this is 93 00:04:38,600 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: a hospital that I work as a physician and a 94 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 3: medical director, so the staff knew me for years, but 95 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:47,280 Speaker 3: it didn't matter right. 96 00:04:47,920 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: And imagine was somebody who was having their first baby 97 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: and someone's just telling you this is you're feeling everything 98 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:57,359 Speaker 1: that you're supposed to feel, and you're like, okay, maybe 99 00:04:57,360 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: this is normal. Let me just right because you don't 100 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:00,720 Speaker 1: have a point of right, you don't have a point 101 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:04,680 Speaker 1: of reference. And then you're also, you know, a medical professional, 102 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 1: and some people don't know how to advocate for themselves 103 00:05:07,320 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: at a time like that because we feel like if 104 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: our doctor is telling us something that's just what it is, 105 00:05:12,120 --> 00:05:15,520 Speaker 1: let me just you know, bear through it exactly. 106 00:05:15,720 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: And how many at that moment, I thought, especially during 107 00:05:18,960 --> 00:05:22,359 Speaker 3: the recovery, how many women who sit through this because 108 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:27,640 Speaker 3: there is a power dynamic that exists between doctors and patients, 109 00:05:28,000 --> 00:05:30,720 Speaker 3: meaning the doctor is supposed to be the know all 110 00:05:30,800 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 3: that knows all the information and the patient. You're in there, 111 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 3: you're vulnerable, you don't feel well, and you're in a 112 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:39,240 Speaker 3: state of where you're just waiting to get the information 113 00:05:39,400 --> 00:05:41,880 Speaker 3: to how can I feel better? And that shouldn't be 114 00:05:41,960 --> 00:05:44,560 Speaker 3: the case. And that's my love and passion is to 115 00:05:45,040 --> 00:05:49,120 Speaker 3: flip it where you it is your body, your decision, 116 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 3: and that doctor should share with you what things are 117 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,680 Speaker 3: happening so you can have those answers. But it is 118 00:05:54,720 --> 00:05:57,400 Speaker 3: it's a vulnerable state to be in when you don't 119 00:05:57,440 --> 00:05:58,039 Speaker 3: feel well. 120 00:05:58,839 --> 00:06:01,039 Speaker 4: Yeah, I was just sharing with you doctor Bio, how 121 00:06:02,920 --> 00:06:04,919 Speaker 4: you know. When I had the brain aneurysm, I was 122 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:08,720 Speaker 4: in a very similar position where I went because I 123 00:06:08,760 --> 00:06:11,920 Speaker 4: had the worst headache of my life, and thank God 124 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 4: for a good doctor who told me to go. My 125 00:06:14,040 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 4: nephrologists said, hey, you are a higher risk for a 126 00:06:16,480 --> 00:06:20,520 Speaker 4: brain aneurysm because of the kidney disease and sent me 127 00:06:20,640 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 4: for testing they can actually test showed I had a 128 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:30,920 Speaker 4: significant brain aneurysm. And then the doctor after the neurosurgeon 129 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:34,720 Speaker 4: says to me, you do you have a significant brain aneurysm. 130 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,640 Speaker 4: And my pain level is through the roof. It's like 131 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 4: level twenty pain and that, as you know, that can 132 00:06:40,839 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 4: escalate your blood pressure. Like so my blood pressure was 133 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 4: that in a one ninety nine. Okay, that's crazy. That's 134 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,599 Speaker 4: a stroke level right, and stroke level and you have 135 00:06:50,640 --> 00:06:56,240 Speaker 4: an aneurysm. Okay, And the doctor says to me, perfect, 136 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,839 Speaker 4: I can fit you into my calendar in eight days, 137 00:06:59,480 --> 00:07:02,560 Speaker 4: go home and come back. And like I was telling 138 00:07:02,600 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 4: doctor Bio was like, if I was not an advocate, 139 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 4: I would have just said okay, because I would have 140 00:07:08,680 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 4: believed the doctor right. But I said, I knew right 141 00:07:11,560 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: who I said. If I go home like this, this 142 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 4: is going to rupture the aneurism and I'll have no 143 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 4: help and I will die at home. 144 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank goodness. 145 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:21,640 Speaker 4: You know, you know it's crazy. But how many women 146 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 4: went home? And that's when you say, you literally feel 147 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,080 Speaker 4: your life slipping away and you're fighting for it in 148 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 4: that moment. 149 00:07:29,080 --> 00:07:31,280 Speaker 3: You know, well, and I always like to talk about 150 00:07:31,360 --> 00:07:35,040 Speaker 3: you can be the most educated world traveler, all the things, 151 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 3: but when you walk into that exam room, all of 152 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 3: a sudden, all of that vanishes, yep. And you may 153 00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 3: have had an agenda when you went in there of 154 00:07:43,480 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 3: what you want to say, but all of a sudden, 155 00:07:45,800 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 3: when this, when a doctor comes in, it's hard to 156 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,120 Speaker 3: articulate it. It's hard to get it out. And then 157 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:53,320 Speaker 3: if you are met with where it's like, well, you 158 00:07:53,400 --> 00:07:56,960 Speaker 3: look fine, your labs look fine, or you're just stressed. 159 00:07:57,240 --> 00:08:00,920 Speaker 3: That can all of a sudden diminish your concerns where 160 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:04,080 Speaker 3: you start to doubt yourself and start to play a 161 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:07,160 Speaker 3: different narrative of how you really feel because you know 162 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:08,120 Speaker 3: you don't feel right. 163 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, you hush the warning signs, correct, you. 164 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,960 Speaker 1: Know, doctor Bayo, You've also kind of pulled back the 165 00:08:13,000 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: curtain on what goes on in medical training which the 166 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: average person wouldn't know. And so I want you to 167 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,280 Speaker 1: talk about that a little bit because this was fascinating 168 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:24,200 Speaker 1: for me to hear about, but also something that can 169 00:08:24,680 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: kind of give some insight onto why sometimes we may 170 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:27,920 Speaker 1: be treated like this. 171 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,960 Speaker 3: So you saw me smile because it is such a 172 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 3: joy to be able to lift that curtain and give 173 00:08:35,400 --> 00:08:38,560 Speaker 3: people the information I know as a doctor, because if 174 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 3: you can go in there knowing what that doctor knows, 175 00:08:41,280 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 3: so you can get the care that you should have. 176 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:48,240 Speaker 3: Always that I feel for me is what medicine and 177 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,440 Speaker 3: healthcare should be about. So an example, I talk about 178 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 3: the three c's, being clear, concise, and confident. How given 179 00:08:55,400 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 3: an example of that, if you are not feeling well 180 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 3: and you go to the doctor, like I just haven't 181 00:09:00,760 --> 00:09:03,560 Speaker 3: been feeling well for a couple of days. That doctor 182 00:09:03,600 --> 00:09:06,000 Speaker 3: can interpret it in many ways. They can say, Oh, 183 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,640 Speaker 3: you're just anxious, or maybe you just need to sleep more, 184 00:09:08,800 --> 00:09:11,280 Speaker 3: or maybe you just need to kind of reduce your stress, 185 00:09:11,480 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 3: versus I've been having stomach pain for three days, I 186 00:09:15,120 --> 00:09:17,720 Speaker 3: can't eat, I'm not just all the time, and it's 187 00:09:17,840 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 3: impacting my quality of life. All of a sudden, you 188 00:09:20,840 --> 00:09:24,320 Speaker 3: are being clear, you're being concise, and you are being confident. 189 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:26,400 Speaker 3: And I can tell you when you say it in 190 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,720 Speaker 3: that way, a doctor who will have a running list, 191 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,520 Speaker 3: Meaning there's a term called differential diagnosis. So based on 192 00:09:33,559 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 3: the symptoms that you present, that doctor will think of 193 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,079 Speaker 3: three to four things that your symptoms could be associated with. 194 00:09:40,360 --> 00:09:42,959 Speaker 3: So that example I gave with stomach pain, the doctor's 195 00:09:43,000 --> 00:09:45,600 Speaker 3: going to think it could be constipation, it could be gallbladders, 196 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 3: it could be stressed. But if you give it in 197 00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 3: the way that I said, all of a sudden, it's like, oh, 198 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 3: maybe we need to check for cancer. Maybe we need 199 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 3: to check for this. So my goal is to in 200 00:09:57,600 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: every area of health care, I'm going to give you 201 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,280 Speaker 3: that language. I'll give you exactly what to say to 202 00:10:04,360 --> 00:10:07,360 Speaker 3: get to the next step, so that doctor is like, oh, no, 203 00:10:07,440 --> 00:10:09,840 Speaker 3: we need to check this. And then also I go 204 00:10:09,920 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 3: a little bit further. If you are in front of 205 00:10:12,679 --> 00:10:16,000 Speaker 3: a doctor and they tell you your labs look fine, everything 206 00:10:16,040 --> 00:10:18,960 Speaker 3: looks normal, this is what I recommend you say. I 207 00:10:19,040 --> 00:10:23,160 Speaker 3: understand that you that my labs are normal, but I'm curious. 208 00:10:23,600 --> 00:10:26,000 Speaker 3: I'm still not feeling well, So what are the next 209 00:10:26,040 --> 00:10:30,720 Speaker 3: steps to identify why I'm feeling like this? And using 210 00:10:30,760 --> 00:10:34,200 Speaker 3: the words curious or help me understand is an important 211 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 3: piece because I understand that not everyone feels comfortable. We 212 00:10:38,640 --> 00:10:41,840 Speaker 3: hear about advocating for yourself and standing up, yes, but 213 00:10:42,040 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: it can be hard. So if I can give you 214 00:10:43,840 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 3: the language that is non confrontational, that puts it to 215 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: the doctor in respect to you know, tell me your 216 00:10:51,640 --> 00:10:55,079 Speaker 3: decision making, help me understand your decision making, it helps 217 00:10:55,160 --> 00:10:56,839 Speaker 3: kind of equal the playing ground. 218 00:10:57,080 --> 00:10:58,720 Speaker 4: Keep that sat right. 219 00:10:59,040 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 3: It's a partnership versus why did you do this? Why 220 00:11:02,559 --> 00:11:05,480 Speaker 3: are you doing this to me? Instead I'm curious behind 221 00:11:05,480 --> 00:11:09,280 Speaker 3: your thinking, I'm curious behind the decision making. It changes 222 00:11:09,679 --> 00:11:10,480 Speaker 3: that narrative. 223 00:11:11,440 --> 00:11:13,120 Speaker 1: No, I like when I'm at the doctor and they 224 00:11:13,160 --> 00:11:16,120 Speaker 1: explain like over, I tell them that too. I'm like, 225 00:11:16,240 --> 00:11:18,600 Speaker 1: I really like for you to over explain everything to me. 226 00:11:18,679 --> 00:11:21,760 Speaker 1: And I'm always curious, like you said, to know like 227 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,040 Speaker 1: all of the details. Don't just be like you're fine, 228 00:11:24,040 --> 00:11:25,840 Speaker 1: but like, oh, this is what this is, this is 229 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:28,520 Speaker 1: your you know, and just so that I can feel 230 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:31,400 Speaker 1: more comfortable in knowing it. And like Coach Jesse would 231 00:11:31,400 --> 00:11:32,720 Speaker 1: be like, well, what are your numbers do you have? 232 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:35,360 Speaker 1: She's like, can you screenshot that? 233 00:11:35,400 --> 00:11:36,040 Speaker 2: Is sen it to me? 234 00:11:36,280 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 3: Yes, you know, it's really helpful and even you know 235 00:11:40,559 --> 00:11:43,600 Speaker 3: with my patients, like let's say, if I have a 236 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,880 Speaker 3: patient that I need to send to a specialist, I 237 00:11:45,960 --> 00:11:49,000 Speaker 3: will tell her to ask the doctor, Okay, if they're 238 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,280 Speaker 3: going to order labs, if my labs are abnormal, what 239 00:11:52,480 --> 00:11:55,599 Speaker 3: is the plan? If my labs are normal, what is 240 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:57,960 Speaker 3: the plan? Because how many of us have waited for 241 00:11:58,120 --> 00:11:59,520 Speaker 3: results and you're just like. 242 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:00,240 Speaker 4: What's doing idea? 243 00:12:00,280 --> 00:12:00,679 Speaker 2: What's it mean? 244 00:12:00,840 --> 00:12:04,400 Speaker 3: You can go in there exactly saying okay, what's what's 245 00:12:04,440 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 3: the plan, And then it gives you agency to find 246 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 3: out is this doctor on the same playing field as me? 247 00:12:09,640 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 3: Because if they're thinking we're not going to do anything 248 00:12:11,920 --> 00:12:15,280 Speaker 3: if these labs are normal, you know, in advance, it's true, 249 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:17,280 Speaker 3: and that way you can decide do I stay with 250 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:19,160 Speaker 3: this doctor or do I go a different route. 251 00:12:19,480 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 4: Another thing that I learned on a build on the 252 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,320 Speaker 4: differentials diagnosis was really important, which was you know, to ask, 253 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,079 Speaker 4: what are your differential diagnosis for what I'm dealing with? 254 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 4: But then also when they list them out, it's like, 255 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:36,760 Speaker 4: so what evidence do you have? Like that's ruling those 256 00:12:36,800 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 4: other things out right, because when you ask that important question, 257 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 4: then they actually have to run tests that they they 258 00:12:45,800 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 4: could have skipped. Right. So, for instance, I had I 259 00:12:49,800 --> 00:12:52,800 Speaker 4: shared the story how I have polycist to kidney disease. 260 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 4: I've I've shared this numerous time, and it's a genetic 261 00:12:55,600 --> 00:12:58,920 Speaker 4: kidney disease where their cysts all over and I had 262 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 4: a pain right here, which I thought it was a 263 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 4: ruptured cyst, right, but given all the surgical history I have, 264 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:09,439 Speaker 4: I said, you know, I cannot assume. So I went 265 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 4: to the er and they said, okay. First they did 266 00:13:12,280 --> 00:13:15,439 Speaker 4: a CT scam to make sure it wasn't an obstruction 267 00:13:15,559 --> 00:13:19,679 Speaker 4: because I've had numerous obstructions in you know, abdominal obstructions 268 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 4: from small valbstructions. They ruled that out and they also 269 00:13:23,120 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 4: did a d diimer test to make sure it wasn't 270 00:13:25,040 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 4: a blood clot right, because again they're looking at what 271 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,200 Speaker 4: it can be. And I said, all right, so what's 272 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:32,520 Speaker 4: what is the evidence that rules that out? So then 273 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 4: they did a test I think the next one. They 274 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 4: ran labs made sure that there was an enzyme that 275 00:13:38,960 --> 00:13:42,560 Speaker 4: they tested for. Right. Once all of those came back negative, 276 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 4: the result was, okay, it must be a ruptured cyst. 277 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:50,960 Speaker 4: So then I came back to my nephrologist and he said, okay, 278 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:53,960 Speaker 4: if it is a ruptured cyst, the pain will dissipate 279 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,440 Speaker 4: in one to two weeks. So I tracked that and 280 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 4: then it was gone. So we knew that's what it was. 281 00:14:00,679 --> 00:14:03,440 Speaker 4: But in cases where you know, we've spoken about my cousin. 282 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:07,280 Speaker 4: In fact, my cousin died of colon cancer a year 283 00:14:07,280 --> 00:14:15,319 Speaker 4: ago and he had back pain. That back pain, thirty five, young, healthy, 284 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:20,200 Speaker 4: never sick, but his dad died of pancreatic cancer. Right, 285 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:23,720 Speaker 4: So when he had back pain, the doctor initially said, oh, 286 00:14:23,880 --> 00:14:27,960 Speaker 4: it must be like from gardening, you pulled something. I said, okay, 287 00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 4: I can figure that in a week or two. You're 288 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: talking about months later and no imaging was done until May. 289 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,240 Speaker 4: So if he would have said, hey, how do we 290 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,360 Speaker 4: know that it's just that? You know, like, what tests 291 00:14:40,480 --> 00:14:42,680 Speaker 4: will you run to show and prove that it's not? 292 00:14:42,920 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: What are the other And I felt so like, wow, 293 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,880 Speaker 4: we really don't have that language. So thank you so 294 00:14:48,000 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 4: much for sharing that, because it is important to know 295 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,080 Speaker 4: that they have to rule out the worst cases first. 296 00:14:54,720 --> 00:14:56,680 Speaker 4: That is what you want the doctors to do. What's 297 00:14:56,720 --> 00:14:59,200 Speaker 4: the worst, what's the monster. Let's look at what the 298 00:14:59,200 --> 00:15:02,440 Speaker 4: monster is. Let's prove that it's not that monster before 299 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,400 Speaker 4: we start taking, you know, to my life. 300 00:15:04,400 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 2: It's literally on the line. 301 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 3: It is it really is. It is your life. And 302 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:10,280 Speaker 3: first I just want to say I'm sorry for your loss. 303 00:15:10,680 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: And it makes me think. So I had a patient 304 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,240 Speaker 3: five months ago. I'll just call her Maria, and she 305 00:15:16,400 --> 00:15:19,880 Speaker 3: had been to three doctors before I saw her, and 306 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,400 Speaker 3: she had been dealing with stomach pain. She was a 307 00:15:22,440 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 3: little nauseous, and she was like, nothing really makes it better, 308 00:15:25,640 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 3: but I do know when I eat, even if I'm 309 00:15:27,480 --> 00:15:30,120 Speaker 3: just trying to do crackers or ginger ale, it makes 310 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,080 Speaker 3: it worse. Well, she had been told that she was constipated, 311 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:35,560 Speaker 3: then she was told that it was just like an 312 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,800 Speaker 3: irritable bowel syndrome, and then that she was stressed. So 313 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 3: by the time I saw her, I said, well, do 314 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:44,880 Speaker 3: you have any family history of any cancer? And she 315 00:15:44,960 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 3: was like, well, my mom had breast cancer, but nothing else. 316 00:15:47,800 --> 00:15:50,520 Speaker 3: And so as I'm examining her, I said, have you 317 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 3: ever had a kolonoscopy? She's twenty eight years old, and 318 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: she was like, no, no one has ever said anything. 319 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:59,200 Speaker 3: I was like, We're going to do a colonoscopy. She 320 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:04,040 Speaker 3: was diagnosed. I diagnosed her with colon cancer. And that's 321 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: the thing like having a doctor not only to share 322 00:16:06,920 --> 00:16:10,000 Speaker 3: all those differential diagnoses dig a little bit deeper, but 323 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:13,120 Speaker 3: if they don't, having the language of help me understand, 324 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 3: what else could it be? And you have the right 325 00:16:16,600 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 3: to know all of the options available, and then you 326 00:16:19,400 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 3: choose with which path you would like to go. 327 00:16:22,640 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 1: Speaking affective bio, you've gotten like millions of views on TikTok, 328 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 1: just kind of explaining your own experience. Why do you 329 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: think that hits so hard for people? 330 00:16:31,640 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: I believe it hits hard because I represent what a 331 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,480 Speaker 3: lot of us are going through. And for me, as 332 00:16:37,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: a doctor, I dance to my own beat. I'm not traditional. 333 00:16:41,680 --> 00:16:45,520 Speaker 3: I am a doctor who will hug you in my 334 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,400 Speaker 3: exam room. I will spend extra time, and yes I 335 00:16:48,440 --> 00:16:51,640 Speaker 3: do get in trouble, but I don't care and I've 336 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:57,480 Speaker 3: always when I do, and when you see me online, 337 00:16:57,600 --> 00:17:01,120 Speaker 3: I am authentic to the core. I am someone who 338 00:17:01,280 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 3: will share all the things I share, even my mishaps, 339 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:06,760 Speaker 3: the things that you know, things that I wish I 340 00:17:06,760 --> 00:17:11,040 Speaker 3: could have done better, And I think it resonates with people. 341 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,720 Speaker 3: And I take great pride in what I put online 342 00:17:14,800 --> 00:17:18,639 Speaker 3: because for me, it's not just about content. It is 343 00:17:18,680 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 3: about serving the people who have taken the time to 344 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 3: listen to my information. And I take it very seriously 345 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:29,119 Speaker 3: because for me, it's like each person is in that 346 00:17:29,240 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 3: exam room with me. So whatever I put out there, 347 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,520 Speaker 3: I want to make sure you have the best information possible. 348 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:39,880 Speaker 3: So wherever your circumstances are, wherever you live, you can 349 00:17:40,040 --> 00:17:42,760 Speaker 3: advocate and you can stand alone for yourself. 350 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,359 Speaker 1: What do you think about people using like AI and 351 00:17:46,440 --> 00:17:50,360 Speaker 1: TEDGBT to diagnose themselves, because I know nowadays a lot 352 00:17:50,359 --> 00:17:52,040 Speaker 1: of people are like, well, let me just put it 353 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:54,399 Speaker 1: in here and ask and see what's wrong with me. 354 00:17:54,480 --> 00:17:56,680 Speaker 2: Let me put my symptoms in here. What would you say. 355 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,479 Speaker 3: I think it's a great starting point. You just have 356 00:17:59,520 --> 00:18:02,000 Speaker 3: to make sure that you don't put any personal information. 357 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 3: And the other thing is whatever information you get, have 358 00:18:05,359 --> 00:18:09,240 Speaker 3: it followed up with the doctor, because we can't forget 359 00:18:09,240 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 3: that AI is just perpetuating the inequities and the racial 360 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,359 Speaker 3: disparities that I've already seen that. So I've had patients 361 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: who have put in certain symptoms and because of what 362 00:18:20,000 --> 00:18:22,520 Speaker 3: is built in our system as far as not always 363 00:18:22,560 --> 00:18:26,200 Speaker 3: including people of color with certain diseases. A great example, 364 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 3: I had a lady who came in. She was having 365 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,520 Speaker 3: She noticed her gait, her walking had changed a little bit, 366 00:18:32,560 --> 00:18:35,600 Speaker 3: as well as our handwriting, and so it was very small. 367 00:18:35,720 --> 00:18:38,840 Speaker 3: She's one that does very beautiful cursive. She put it 368 00:18:38,920 --> 00:18:42,399 Speaker 3: into AI and it said, oh, you're just it's because 369 00:18:42,440 --> 00:18:45,199 Speaker 3: of your your age. You're getting older. She's fifty six 370 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:49,479 Speaker 3: years old, so as I'm when she came in, right right, 371 00:18:49,960 --> 00:18:53,080 Speaker 3: But you know, the interesting part was, and it is young. 372 00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 3: It is very young. I know some of the age 373 00:18:57,880 --> 00:19:01,640 Speaker 3: bias and all the things that are in there. I'm like, 374 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 3: I'm like, and so as we're talking, I've fast forward. 375 00:19:06,240 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 3: She I diagnosed her with Parkinson's and you know she's 376 00:19:10,040 --> 00:19:12,280 Speaker 3: a black woman, and think about what you see when 377 00:19:12,320 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: you think of Parkinson's do you see someone that looks 378 00:19:14,880 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: like us? 379 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:16,000 Speaker 4: No? 380 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 3: No, And so AI will perpetuate some of those things 381 00:19:20,080 --> 00:19:24,159 Speaker 3: because it hasn't been built that narrative that that look. 382 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,360 Speaker 4: The reference given that lens right. But you know what 383 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 4: I have found to be helpful is actually when you 384 00:19:31,080 --> 00:19:34,879 Speaker 4: give it directions specifically for those inequities though, but you 385 00:19:34,880 --> 00:19:37,320 Speaker 4: don't know to look for it, Like you have to say, well, 386 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 4: what is the research specifically on that? So then it 387 00:19:39,840 --> 00:19:42,280 Speaker 4: has to go looking and digging for it, and when 388 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:44,600 Speaker 4: it does dig for it, so you can't just be 389 00:19:44,720 --> 00:19:48,520 Speaker 4: general like you need to. It's like operating understanding there 390 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:53,320 Speaker 4: are inequities in the system and because of that, filtering 391 00:19:53,359 --> 00:19:57,080 Speaker 4: based on that I mean. But definitely a first step 392 00:19:57,400 --> 00:19:59,919 Speaker 4: in helping you with your research, even as you go 393 00:20:00,200 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 4: and you work with your physician who cares. 394 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,480 Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, And you know the other thing is women 395 00:20:05,560 --> 00:20:07,600 Speaker 3: we haven't been studied. I always like to tell people 396 00:20:07,720 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: the number I give it. This is a great example. 397 00:20:10,720 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: Women's health has been studied as long as Netflix has 398 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:15,960 Speaker 3: been around thirty years, which is all the. 399 00:20:15,920 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 4: Research that's been has not included women, and that's why 400 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,359 Speaker 4: we need to be in these positions to make sure 401 00:20:21,520 --> 00:20:22,720 Speaker 4: that research is getting done. 402 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 2: That's why we have all the issues. 403 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: Because they never factor us in right correct, and that's 404 00:20:27,800 --> 00:20:31,400 Speaker 3: why some medications are good. Another example, two years ago, 405 00:20:31,440 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: there was a woman who had fallen asleep at the 406 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 3: wheel and she got pulled over. She had taken the 407 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 3: medication ambient. Well, we found out that ambient you can't 408 00:20:39,160 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 3: give a woman ten milligrams the regular dose. But it 409 00:20:42,240 --> 00:20:45,120 Speaker 3: hadn't been studied in women, had only been studied in men, 410 00:20:45,160 --> 00:20:46,000 Speaker 3: and we should be. 411 00:20:49,000 --> 00:20:49,359 Speaker 2: Period. 412 00:20:49,480 --> 00:20:52,040 Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, took it, so it was it was 413 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,359 Speaker 3: still in our system. And so now it's recommended a 414 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 3: lesser dose. 415 00:20:56,359 --> 00:21:00,000 Speaker 4: So that's that's actually crazy. So after the whole brand 416 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:05,240 Speaker 4: aneurysm thing, I developed terrible because it was also connected 417 00:21:05,240 --> 00:21:10,080 Speaker 4: to hyperparathyroidism. I'm telling you this medical speech. Right, hyperca 418 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:14,439 Speaker 4: hyper calcemia was found which caused terrible, terrible It was 419 00:21:14,520 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 4: driven by vitamin D de efficiency as well. Right, was 420 00:21:17,720 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 4: very severe. I didn't know this at the time, and 421 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:23,600 Speaker 4: guess what. It took like a year to get me regulated. 422 00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 4: So I was dealing with insomnia where nothing helped, Like 423 00:21:27,359 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 4: the only thing that worked was ambient. Right. So I'm 424 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:32,560 Speaker 4: talking to now a sleep specialist who's saying to me, 425 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,920 Speaker 4: I said, well, you know I'm down, things are getting better. 426 00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 4: I'm down to like a quarter of a pill, right 427 00:21:38,080 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 4: because the pill is ten milligrams. And he's like, that's 428 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,879 Speaker 4: not that's not working. I'm like, no, I'm telling you 429 00:21:42,960 --> 00:21:45,639 Speaker 4: it actually works. Going back to a physician who doesn't 430 00:21:45,720 --> 00:21:47,959 Speaker 4: they're like, this is crazy. She doesn't know. I know 431 00:21:48,680 --> 00:21:52,040 Speaker 4: that I'm actually doing it. So if you're down to 432 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 4: a quarter, then that's not even giving you an effect. Yeah, no, 433 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 4: it's working. So that's like if you don't have someone 434 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,200 Speaker 4: number one, as a woman, it affected my body different. 435 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,080 Speaker 4: And then as someone who's got the issues I have, 436 00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 4: I could even use even much less by that point, right, 437 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:09,600 Speaker 4: because I couldn't drive if I even took half a pill, 438 00:22:09,600 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 4: which is five miligrams, I couldn't drive. 439 00:22:11,680 --> 00:22:14,120 Speaker 3: And that clinician is going off of data when he's 440 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,880 Speaker 3: telling you that, oh, that little amount won't work. He's 441 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,320 Speaker 3: going off of what has been studied in men, not women. 442 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 3: So that you know, kind of the ongoing disparity or 443 00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:29,960 Speaker 3: incorrect information happens in exam rooms every day because we 444 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,239 Speaker 3: haven't been studied well. 445 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: Doctor value that brings us to clinicians who care. 446 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,280 Speaker 1: I want to get right into that because you created 447 00:22:36,440 --> 00:22:39,680 Speaker 1: this space, so talk to us about what is clinicians 448 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:40,080 Speaker 1: who care. 449 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,400 Speaker 3: So over ninety percent of Americans have shared that they 450 00:22:43,400 --> 00:22:45,680 Speaker 3: have been dismissed or gas lit when they see care 451 00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: and that means being told that you're fine, everything is okay. Well, recently, 452 00:22:50,119 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 3: I shared another story of dismissal that happened to me 453 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:56,280 Speaker 3: during my third year of medical school in Chicago. I 454 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,720 Speaker 3: noticed that I started losing my hair, I was dealing 455 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:03,680 Speaker 3: with joint pain, and my hands and my feet were 456 00:23:03,720 --> 00:23:07,119 Speaker 3: swollen every morning, didn't matter what I did, and so 457 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:10,399 Speaker 3: I went to the doctor and I was told, well, 458 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:12,680 Speaker 3: do you think you're pregnant. I was like, no, I don't. 459 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:15,960 Speaker 3: That's pregnant. That's what happened. It's in my record. And 460 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,800 Speaker 3: then I was told, well, this is normal because you're 461 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 3: in medical school and you are just stressed out. So 462 00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 3: after going to six doctors, I finally found one doctor 463 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:30,159 Speaker 3: to listen and believe me, and I ultimately ended up 464 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 3: with the diagnosis of lupus and I have a clotting 465 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 3: disorder as well well. I shared that story online. I 466 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 3: had never shared that, even though I share a lot, 467 00:23:37,680 --> 00:23:40,640 Speaker 3: and when I did, it blew up because people were 468 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 3: sharing the names. They were sharing their dismissal, but they 469 00:23:43,640 --> 00:23:48,080 Speaker 3: were also sharing the name of a doctor who had listened, cared, 470 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:50,679 Speaker 3: and believed them. I'll never forget one lady wrote in 471 00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,679 Speaker 3: all caps, it took forty two years to get a 472 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:57,520 Speaker 3: diagnosis of ADHD. And then I thought to myself, Oh, 473 00:23:57,600 --> 00:23:59,439 Speaker 3: I know what I'm going to do. I'm going to 474 00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,600 Speaker 3: create a list that connects people with doctors who've been 475 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:05,480 Speaker 3: shown to listen, care and believe their patients. Because if 476 00:24:05,520 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 3: you can find a doctor from the jump that will 477 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,119 Speaker 3: just listen to you and believe you, it can help 478 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 3: set you on the right path. So created my team, 479 00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:18,000 Speaker 3: a small little team. We created a Google form and 480 00:24:18,040 --> 00:24:21,199 Speaker 3: we put city and state and now we have country 481 00:24:21,200 --> 00:24:23,160 Speaker 3: and I'll get to that. And then we made it. 482 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 3: We put every single specialty, so we have obi, GIND, 483 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:32,520 Speaker 3: we have orthopedic cardiology, midwives, pharmacists, GI all of it, 484 00:24:32,760 --> 00:24:35,560 Speaker 3: and you write in how that doctor made you feel. 485 00:24:35,800 --> 00:24:39,040 Speaker 3: It is a patient recommended list. It is organic. I 486 00:24:39,040 --> 00:24:40,760 Speaker 3: started it just a few months ago and. 487 00:24:41,320 --> 00:24:43,120 Speaker 2: Are putting themselves on there now. 488 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,199 Speaker 3: They could be, but we have vetted, you know, we'vet 489 00:24:46,280 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 3: and we can see and you can see the difference 490 00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:53,159 Speaker 3: when a patient shares it. But it could happen. But 491 00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 3: the cool thing is because you've never seen anything else 492 00:24:56,000 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 3: like that. Where I use in the best example is 493 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:03,359 Speaker 3: how many of us have called a girlfriend or friend 494 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:05,080 Speaker 3: and said, do you know a name of a doctor 495 00:25:05,080 --> 00:25:06,040 Speaker 3: that you can try. 496 00:25:08,000 --> 00:25:08,320 Speaker 2: Listen. 497 00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,439 Speaker 1: I had someone on here the other day, a couple 498 00:25:10,800 --> 00:25:15,399 Speaker 1: Akisha Colonna Willie Cologne, and she had at yes, she 499 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: had several miscarriages before finally fortunately having a healthy baby. 500 00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 2: She had nine right, eight? 501 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:27,679 Speaker 1: Okay, well, she had several miscarriages and then finally was 502 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,560 Speaker 1: able to go see a doctor she talks about in 503 00:25:30,600 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 1: her book that was listening to her. She felt heard 504 00:25:35,080 --> 00:25:38,360 Speaker 1: and she ended up having a healthy baby. 505 00:25:38,280 --> 00:25:39,440 Speaker 2: Followed by another one. 506 00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:44,200 Speaker 1: And so it really was about the doctor that came 507 00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,359 Speaker 1: through for her and that helped her and was like 508 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:48,600 Speaker 1: all you need is one egg. You know, she had 509 00:25:48,640 --> 00:25:51,000 Speaker 1: other doctors that was telling her, well, you're going to 510 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:52,160 Speaker 1: have to get a donor egg. 511 00:25:52,600 --> 00:25:55,120 Speaker 2: You know, you're going to have to do this, and you. 512 00:25:55,080 --> 00:25:56,879 Speaker 1: Know, she didn't want to do she didn't want to 513 00:25:56,920 --> 00:25:59,639 Speaker 1: go that route, and so finally she found the right doctor. 514 00:25:59,680 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: But just to think about, like how many women are 515 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,199 Speaker 1: going through that and they just don't have their and 516 00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 1: they're getting these suggestions of what they should be doing 517 00:26:07,040 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: or being told well, that's not going to happen for 518 00:26:08,920 --> 00:26:11,119 Speaker 1: you, you need to do X, Y and Z. And then 519 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 1: it ended up happening because she went to the right doctor. 520 00:26:13,440 --> 00:26:15,880 Speaker 3: It can make a huge difference. Just three weeks ago, 521 00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:18,639 Speaker 3: I received a DM and a woman said that she 522 00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:21,600 Speaker 3: had been dismissed for several years. She found an ob 523 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,000 Speaker 3: gine on the list and unfortunately was diagnosed with a 524 00:26:26,119 --> 00:26:29,000 Speaker 3: varying cancer. But in the message, she said, thank you 525 00:26:29,119 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 3: because I found a doctor that took all of my 526 00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:35,399 Speaker 3: symptoms seriously, Like that's a message. And then I had 527 00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 3: a mom who reached out from Connecticut and said, I 528 00:26:37,800 --> 00:26:40,600 Speaker 3: have a newer divergent child and I have been looking 529 00:26:40,680 --> 00:26:44,120 Speaker 3: for a pediatrician who will take my child and their 530 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,680 Speaker 3: journey seriously. And it touches my heart because she said 531 00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,360 Speaker 3: I found someone on your list. I saw them and 532 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:54,440 Speaker 3: we have a plan. It's like that's healthcare. 533 00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:54,880 Speaker 2: Angela. 534 00:26:55,560 --> 00:27:00,720 Speaker 3: Yes, and that it touches my heart because there's a 535 00:27:00,760 --> 00:27:03,720 Speaker 3: lot our system is fractured. We know that. But if 536 00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 3: we can have something that will help us get to 537 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:11,159 Speaker 3: the right care sooner rather than later, that's huge. 538 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:15,919 Speaker 4: No, it's phenomenal. Let me tell you. I because of 539 00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 4: I was telling you in the room, because of the 540 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 4: complications from the fibroids surgers. Remember I told you this 541 00:27:21,400 --> 00:27:24,240 Speaker 4: Angela was like the complications I deal with the lifelong chronicle. 542 00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 4: They're not from the fibroids, They're from the surgeries. They're 543 00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:30,040 Speaker 4: from the complications from the surgeries. And because of that, 544 00:27:30,280 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 4: I have a long life chronic disease called short bowel syndrome, 545 00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:41,000 Speaker 4: and it literally affects me every day. Every single day. 546 00:27:41,119 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 4: Life is different because of it. Okay, and finding a 547 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,960 Speaker 4: gastroin terrologist that actually believed me was everything. Before I 548 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,120 Speaker 4: actually found someone, I found so many gastros who were 549 00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:56,840 Speaker 4: like basically blowing me off, trying to put me on 550 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,800 Speaker 4: you know, blockers and all these things that would not 551 00:27:59,840 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 4: work for me and were harmful to my kidneys and 552 00:28:02,480 --> 00:28:06,000 Speaker 4: all these other things. So I was like, you know what, 553 00:28:06,320 --> 00:28:10,120 Speaker 4: I added doctor Solomon David to your list last night, so. 554 00:28:10,240 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 3: Queen's New York. 555 00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,880 Speaker 4: He's in there, and I was like, because you need 556 00:28:13,160 --> 00:28:14,480 Speaker 4: we need doctors who care. 557 00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:17,280 Speaker 1: It's already hard going to the doctor. I just want 558 00:28:17,320 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 1: to say that it is like you need to go. 559 00:28:19,160 --> 00:28:21,639 Speaker 1: A lot of people will avoid, you know, and it 560 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: does take time out of you know, and sometimes we 561 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:26,080 Speaker 1: just also are like I feel, okay, I'm not going 562 00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 1: to go. 563 00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:29,160 Speaker 2: Into something's wrong, but if you have because of fear, yeah, 564 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 2: that is fear. 565 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,600 Speaker 1: And it is also because now if you had a 566 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: clinician who you felt like they care about me, I'd like, 567 00:28:35,080 --> 00:28:37,480 Speaker 1: let me go talk to as an experience, is something's wrong. 568 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 1: I feel comfortable that they're going to listen to what 569 00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: it is that I have to say and that they're 570 00:28:41,840 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 1: going to make sure I know what I need to 571 00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: be doing. 572 00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 2: Like that's important. You know, it's a relief when you. 573 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,280 Speaker 3: Leave, right, it's huge. It gives you that extra step 574 00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:51,840 Speaker 3: because how many people have just decided I'm not going 575 00:28:51,920 --> 00:28:54,120 Speaker 3: to go exactly what you mentioned because it's going to 576 00:28:54,160 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: be a waste of time, or are going to be 577 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 3: set are told things that aren't really helpful at all, 578 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,760 Speaker 3: like oh, just go exercise, or you just need to 579 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:04,920 Speaker 3: lose weight. I've had a lot of patients who have 580 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:08,120 Speaker 3: reached out to me on Instagram and they'll say, I've 581 00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:10,360 Speaker 3: been told for the fifth time that all of my 582 00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:12,600 Speaker 3: symptoms are due to my weight, and I know it isn't. 583 00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 3: I need to find someone who will listen, and then 584 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,160 Speaker 3: they find someone on the list and they finally have 585 00:29:17,320 --> 00:29:21,360 Speaker 3: those answers. So if you can go into your doctor's 586 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,560 Speaker 3: appointment not only feeling like, Okay, I'm going to have 587 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,240 Speaker 3: the chance to get forward what's been happening in my 588 00:29:28,320 --> 00:29:31,280 Speaker 3: life and listened to, that's huge. 589 00:29:31,920 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 4: And I think the other thing is that many people 590 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:37,560 Speaker 4: are not diagnosed until things are too late because they 591 00:29:37,600 --> 00:29:40,640 Speaker 4: feel afraid of corect to the doctor. And because of that, 592 00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 4: there are a lot of disparities that are you know, 593 00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:48,560 Speaker 4: high levels in terms of cases of cancer being diagnosed 594 00:29:48,640 --> 00:29:50,880 Speaker 4: much later. Fibroids. We see it all the time in 595 00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 4: fireboords because women are being told hysterect me is their 596 00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 4: only option, or because they're being told that they're pain, 597 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 4: they're heavy bleeding. All of that is normal. So instead 598 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:04,320 Speaker 4: of saying no, let's see what it is, Oh wait 599 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 4: a minute, let's look at your D three levels. Because 600 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,040 Speaker 4: science has shown us that that's a major driver as 601 00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 4: to you know, fibroids, and no, they're not being given 602 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,640 Speaker 4: that care. And because of that, it becomes words and 603 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,360 Speaker 4: we're disproportionate. Our numbers are disproportionate because of it. 604 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 3: Absolutely, when you think of heart disease, kidney disease, there's 605 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:23,960 Speaker 3: something else that I've been advocating for when it comes 606 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 3: to blood pressure. This I don't know if you guys, yes, 607 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: I saw you what I've been for fifteen years, right 608 00:30:32,560 --> 00:30:36,080 Speaker 3: classes and so anyone listening right now, if you are 609 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:39,080 Speaker 3: on blood pressure, I guarantee you're probably if you are black, 610 00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 3: you're on either a calcium channel blocker or thigh side. 611 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,880 Speaker 3: Those are two classes pressure. We may not think of 612 00:30:47,000 --> 00:30:53,719 Speaker 3: hydro hydrochlorothiazide or a calcium channel blocker like metoprolol. And 613 00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:57,600 Speaker 3: so of what what has been recommended is if you 614 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:01,160 Speaker 3: are black and you have high blood pressure, you are 615 00:31:01,800 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: the recommendation is that you should have one of two 616 00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:08,320 Speaker 3: of these classes of high blood pressure medication just based 617 00:31:08,360 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 3: on the color of your skin. Well, that has been 618 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,080 Speaker 3: debunked and it shouldn't be happening, but it's still happening 619 00:31:13,120 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: every day. Our organs are the same. And also let's 620 00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 3: just take a step back, let's talk about other options 621 00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,800 Speaker 3: as well, not just medication. Oh and so that part 622 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 3: is huge, and so I share with people. If a 623 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 3: doctor says, oh, I'm going to put you on this 624 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:31,240 Speaker 3: high blood pressure medication, ask why did you choose this medication? 625 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:35,760 Speaker 3: Help me understand what your decision behind this, because if 626 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: you hear and these are my red flags that I 627 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 3: call it the implicit red flags because you're black, because 628 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,040 Speaker 3: you're of your weight, because of your age, that doctor 629 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 3: may not be the right doctor for you because they 630 00:31:46,200 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 3: are not taking to as an individual individual. And that's 631 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:52,320 Speaker 3: the way medicine should be. It should be personalized. 632 00:31:52,400 --> 00:31:55,400 Speaker 1: And you've also talked about how sometimes people are grouped 633 00:31:55,800 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 1: by you know, WWT please go Can you break that for. 634 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,880 Speaker 3: Us and a ww according to them, yes, and I 635 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 3: am I'm probably as well. 636 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 4: And I think that girl, we got we got the club. 637 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:09,960 Speaker 2: And I think that's. 638 00:32:09,560 --> 00:32:12,520 Speaker 3: Because being a patient and a doctor, but sharing like 639 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,280 Speaker 3: my journey with lupus, which is an autoimmune, all of 640 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 3: our conditions and so in medical school and it's still happening, 641 00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,760 Speaker 3: I remember hearing the term ww and a lot of 642 00:32:22,800 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 3: other doctors have talked about it, and it's considered to 643 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 3: be it's called whiny women, and it is associated with 644 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 3: multiple conditions, meaning you are just anxious, you're nervous, all 645 00:32:33,720 --> 00:32:37,800 Speaker 3: the things other than an actual condition. And the other 646 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 3: term is tw train wreck. So imagine if you have 647 00:32:42,120 --> 00:32:46,040 Speaker 3: an autoimmune disease, God forbid, you have another condition like 648 00:32:46,080 --> 00:32:48,680 Speaker 3: high blood pressure or something else, and you go into 649 00:32:48,680 --> 00:32:51,360 Speaker 3: the doctor and you need help. Well, your doctor may 650 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 3: write tw as like a train wreck, or may say 651 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,200 Speaker 3: that to the medical students or residents, and it's a 652 00:32:57,320 --> 00:33:01,640 Speaker 3: label that prevents you from being able to get the care. 653 00:33:01,760 --> 00:33:04,760 Speaker 3: As far as what could that differential diagnosis be, what 654 00:33:04,840 --> 00:33:08,320 Speaker 3: could that running list be? Instead of this association and label, 655 00:33:08,360 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 3: I'm going to give you another one that I did 656 00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 3: a video about as well, the four FS, and this 657 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 3: one is still live today. So fat, fertile, forty female 658 00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 3: in medical school, PA school, nurse practitioner school. If you 659 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 3: fit those four categories, meaning you are forty years old, 660 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:31,280 Speaker 3: you are considered overweight your female, you the diagnoses would 661 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,760 Speaker 3: be a gallbladder issue. So if you come in you've 662 00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:36,400 Speaker 3: had stomach pain, you're forty your female, and you are 663 00:33:36,440 --> 00:33:38,840 Speaker 3: overweight The first thing I'm going to think of is 664 00:33:39,000 --> 00:33:42,080 Speaker 3: maybe you have a gall bladder issue versus anything else. 665 00:33:42,520 --> 00:33:44,520 Speaker 4: And that's a sow many other f's. 666 00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 3: It could be, It could be so many different things 667 00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 3: put the fight, but that those associations instead of saying, okay, 668 00:33:56,120 --> 00:33:59,520 Speaker 3: let's go through the symptoms that my patient is sharing 669 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 3: with me, Let's find out all of the things that 670 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 3: it could be. 671 00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,680 Speaker 4: That bias is going to get them to miss what's 672 00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:05,760 Speaker 4: really happening exactly. 673 00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 3: And that goes into why we have the disparities. 674 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 2: That we have. 675 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,320 Speaker 4: You know, this makes me think about what I shared 676 00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,880 Speaker 4: with you about the four my three laws for exceptional 677 00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:21,120 Speaker 4: patient care. This is and this happened, you know. I 678 00:34:21,160 --> 00:34:23,840 Speaker 4: came up with it after my whole brain aneurysm thing, Angela, 679 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,000 Speaker 4: and it was that, you know, if we will just 680 00:34:28,120 --> 00:34:30,600 Speaker 4: listen to what our bay. I say, listen to your bay, 681 00:34:30,680 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 4: which is your body, your advocates and your experts, right 682 00:34:34,880 --> 00:34:38,440 Speaker 4: listening to your body. Because Number one is pain is 683 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,960 Speaker 4: a warning sign. It doesn't matter if you have pain, 684 00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 4: that is your body telling you something is wrong and 685 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 4: you should not and not dismiss it, and not ignore 686 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,680 Speaker 4: it and speak to a doctor until you find the 687 00:34:51,760 --> 00:34:54,640 Speaker 4: right one that is actually helping you address what is 688 00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,839 Speaker 4: causing it. That's number one, right, So that means if 689 00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:00,319 Speaker 4: they're not listening, you need another doctor. Don't don't let 690 00:35:00,360 --> 00:35:03,080 Speaker 4: somebody just send you home, and it's never as resolved 691 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:06,560 Speaker 4: because pain is a warning sign if you don't listen 692 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:07,799 Speaker 4: to what I said. But if you don't listen to 693 00:35:08,040 --> 00:35:10,320 Speaker 4: the whisper, it's going to become a scream. A whisper 694 00:35:10,320 --> 00:35:13,040 Speaker 4: can be elevated blood pressure, where the scream is a 695 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 4: heart attack, right A. And so that was body A 696 00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 4: is advocates. Medical bias is real. We have literally broken 697 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:25,920 Speaker 4: that down. So we need you need not as you 698 00:35:26,120 --> 00:35:28,439 Speaker 4: just should, but you need an advocate in the room 699 00:35:28,719 --> 00:35:32,560 Speaker 4: with you, whether it's on the phone, on FaceTime, physically 700 00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,160 Speaker 4: with you because as she talked about, how you can 701 00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,120 Speaker 4: be vulnerable when you're in pain and you're dealing, there's 702 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:41,759 Speaker 4: so many things we miss because we're vulnerable. So you know, 703 00:35:41,920 --> 00:35:44,600 Speaker 4: have people with you who either on the phone, someone 704 00:35:44,680 --> 00:35:46,840 Speaker 4: with you who can ask questions who you may not 705 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:51,040 Speaker 4: be hearing, because medical it's really real, right. And then 706 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:55,000 Speaker 4: the last one is the experts, And this is really 707 00:35:55,040 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 4: important when you go into the physician's office. There are 708 00:35:59,040 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 4: two experts in the room at all times. There is 709 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,120 Speaker 4: the physician who is the expert in there, whatever specialty is, 710 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,719 Speaker 4: and there's you who you're the expert on yourself. Right. 711 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 4: So if you are dealing with a doctor who dismisses 712 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 4: your expertise, because the truth is you are you are 713 00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,520 Speaker 4: the biggest clue and and source of information to finding 714 00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:24,440 Speaker 4: out what's really wrong. Right, So if they are not 715 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:29,560 Speaker 4: validating and listening to your expertise, they're not the right doctor, 716 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 4: period period. And I go all clinicians who care because 717 00:36:36,520 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 4: I vote with my feet. I go to doctors who 718 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:40,000 Speaker 4: care right well. 719 00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 3: And I like to paint the picture of you are 720 00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:46,120 Speaker 3: at the doctor and your doctor is dismissing you. You 721 00:36:46,239 --> 00:36:49,120 Speaker 3: know that you're being gasolet and to your point, sticking 722 00:36:49,120 --> 00:36:52,160 Speaker 3: with this is happening. So I tell my patients, I'm like, 723 00:36:52,200 --> 00:36:55,480 Speaker 3: do not doubt yourself, because when you are experiencing that 724 00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,040 Speaker 3: and you are feeling it, it is real. And then 725 00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,320 Speaker 3: the second thing is leading with that careosity language because 726 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:03,640 Speaker 3: you need to find out where is that doctor. Is 727 00:37:03,640 --> 00:37:05,239 Speaker 3: that doctor going to be able to meet you where 728 00:37:05,280 --> 00:37:07,719 Speaker 3: you are or do they are they not? And then 729 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 3: the third thing that people don't talk about is you 730 00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,000 Speaker 3: can ask for a different doctor. You can fire that doctor. 731 00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,200 Speaker 3: If you are in the situation like we know the 732 00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,719 Speaker 3: viral videos that have been happening that we've seen with 733 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,959 Speaker 3: the three women, you can ask for a different nurse. 734 00:37:23,000 --> 00:37:25,640 Speaker 3: You can ask for someone else. And the fourth thing 735 00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 3: that you can do, and this depends upon your situation, 736 00:37:28,440 --> 00:37:31,840 Speaker 3: but you can be transferred to another hospital. And a 737 00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:34,000 Speaker 3: lot of times people don't know that that if you 738 00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 3: are not getting the care you need, you can be transferred. 739 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:40,480 Speaker 3: And then the fifth thing is in that moment, if 740 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,160 Speaker 3: all things aren't working for you and you know that 741 00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 3: you're not getting the care that you need, I say record, 742 00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:48,960 Speaker 3: I say, you know, making sure whatever you need to 743 00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:51,919 Speaker 3: do to have a witness with you in that room 744 00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 3: is huge, and not everybody can bring someone, but if 745 00:37:54,640 --> 00:37:58,319 Speaker 3: you can record, and sometimes just saying that, all of 746 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:02,000 Speaker 3: a sudden, they let me get a point. And then 747 00:38:02,000 --> 00:38:03,920 Speaker 3: the last one that I talk about that I think 748 00:38:04,200 --> 00:38:07,840 Speaker 3: people often don't realize is you can say, can you 749 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:10,600 Speaker 3: document in my chart that you have decided not to 750 00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,280 Speaker 3: give me this care? Can you document that you've decided 751 00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:15,759 Speaker 3: that we do not need the extra steps. Now I 752 00:38:15,840 --> 00:38:18,080 Speaker 3: give that ladder because it helps you kind of give 753 00:38:18,120 --> 00:38:20,600 Speaker 3: a framework for what you can do in the beginning 754 00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,960 Speaker 3: as you work your way down. But everyone's, you know, 755 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,879 Speaker 3: situation is different, but this at least gives you a plan. 756 00:38:27,160 --> 00:38:30,160 Speaker 3: The other thing that can be helpful is a medical playbook, 757 00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,799 Speaker 3: and I love this. I have one for myself, and 758 00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,840 Speaker 3: it allows you to track your symptoms. It allows you 759 00:38:36,880 --> 00:38:39,719 Speaker 3: to track what doctors have said certain things to you. 760 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:42,319 Speaker 3: And that way when you see a doctor and they're like, well, 761 00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:44,640 Speaker 3: we're going to do this test, and you can show, oh, 762 00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:48,000 Speaker 3: I've already checked my blood count, I've already done this. 763 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:49,320 Speaker 3: What is next? 764 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:49,640 Speaker 2: Right? 765 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:52,080 Speaker 3: And so I have that free I have a free 766 00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,960 Speaker 3: because my whole point is like, let me give you everything, 767 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:56,480 Speaker 3: so you can go on my side. You can see 768 00:38:56,480 --> 00:38:58,719 Speaker 3: if it's a free medical playbook. And the other thing 769 00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:03,160 Speaker 3: that's important I got a lot is before your doctor's appointment, 770 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,040 Speaker 3: I want you to write down your top three concerns 771 00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 3: and so you're going to start with those. And because 772 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,600 Speaker 3: most doctor's appointments, you've got about fifteen minutes with that doctor, 773 00:39:12,880 --> 00:39:14,799 Speaker 3: and before you go in, you're going to practice with 774 00:39:14,840 --> 00:39:17,920 Speaker 3: those three c's of what you want to say, and 775 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 3: so when you go in, you're prepared to start with 776 00:39:21,040 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 3: those top three so you. 777 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:25,000 Speaker 2: Don't feel rushed to get out rush. The doctor's got to. 778 00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,400 Speaker 3: Go right, and you start with I know we've got 779 00:39:27,440 --> 00:39:30,360 Speaker 3: about fifteen minutes, but these are the top three pressing 780 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:32,680 Speaker 3: issues that I'd like to talk about, and then you 781 00:39:32,800 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 3: lead with what is the next plan? So that's what 782 00:39:35,719 --> 00:39:39,359 Speaker 3: you do in that fifteen minutes because realistically, that's what 783 00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:41,880 Speaker 3: most people are facing when they see their doctor. 784 00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,959 Speaker 1: You know, doctor Baya, you are definitely a clinician who cares. 785 00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: I can tell just by this platform that you've created, 786 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,240 Speaker 1: but also how passionate you are when you talk about everything. 787 00:39:51,320 --> 00:39:54,239 Speaker 1: So I can't even imagine, you know, just the help 788 00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:56,359 Speaker 1: that you've given to people. And I know that's your 789 00:39:56,440 --> 00:40:01,600 Speaker 1: mission and we can feel it in this room. I 790 00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:03,880 Speaker 1: appreciate you and thank you because I know you have 791 00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,319 Speaker 1: a lot going on, but the fact that you took 792 00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 1: time to come out here to talk to our audience 793 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,799 Speaker 1: on this platform does mean a lot to us as well. 794 00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:14,120 Speaker 3: Thank you for having me and I it is like 795 00:40:14,160 --> 00:40:17,040 Speaker 3: the warmth that I feel in this room. It's fantastic, 796 00:40:17,560 --> 00:40:20,480 Speaker 3: and I will let me know if it I can 797 00:40:20,520 --> 00:40:22,480 Speaker 3: help in any further, I'm like, this is my love 798 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,360 Speaker 3: and passion just to share health as widely as possible, 799 00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:30,000 Speaker 3: because we all consume information differently. And for the doctors 800 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,000 Speaker 3: who are still you know, of course give that care 801 00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:36,560 Speaker 3: in the room, but people are hungry for more information. 802 00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 3: And for me, if I can help you online, if 803 00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 3: I can help you through any sort of medium where 804 00:40:42,640 --> 00:40:46,520 Speaker 3: you get that information in a free format, that fills 805 00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 3: my soul. And I tell my medical students and residence, 806 00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,239 Speaker 3: I'm like, it is such a gift to be a 807 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:55,960 Speaker 3: part of people's most intimate lives and you need to 808 00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:59,319 Speaker 3: cherish that. And that's what I think of every time 809 00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,879 Speaker 3: I walk in into a patient's room, like what can 810 00:41:02,920 --> 00:41:05,759 Speaker 3: I help them with? What can I serve them with? 811 00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,600 Speaker 3: And I think that is another thing that we need 812 00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:12,759 Speaker 3: to embed into our culture because healthcare has lost that 813 00:41:13,000 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 3: narrative and that's where that heartbeat is supposed to be 814 00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,160 Speaker 3: when it comes to delivering care. So thank you for 815 00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 3: having me here, thank you for the opportunity to reach 816 00:41:22,320 --> 00:41:22,960 Speaker 3: more people. 817 00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,239 Speaker 1: I am grateful, and please add your if you have 818 00:41:26,280 --> 00:41:31,880 Speaker 1: an amazing experience, please care dot com that profession do 819 00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:32,879 Speaker 1: you have a book coming out to. 820 00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:36,440 Speaker 3: I DO, and so the book will be live January 821 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,000 Speaker 3: twenty twenty seven. The working title is how to Talk 822 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,719 Speaker 3: to Your Doctor all of it. All of it, and 823 00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,520 Speaker 3: the wonderful part that I'm very excited about is as 824 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:50,960 Speaker 3: a family medicine doctor, I work in all areas of health. 825 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:54,759 Speaker 3: So this can help you whether you're you know, emergency room, 826 00:41:54,840 --> 00:41:58,640 Speaker 3: whether you are going for surgery, any part, and it 827 00:41:58,680 --> 00:42:01,000 Speaker 3: can help you stand up for yourself in those moments. 828 00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,319 Speaker 3: But also if you're a caregiver, because a lot of 829 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:06,960 Speaker 3: us eighty percent of women are the caregiver, and it 830 00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,960 Speaker 3: will help you have the language to advocate not only 831 00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:12,320 Speaker 3: for your loved one, but for yourself. 832 00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:15,920 Speaker 1: Oka phenomenal, perfect well, thank you so much. We appreciate 833 00:42:15,960 --> 00:42:16,880 Speaker 1: you for coming through this. 834 00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,040 Speaker 4: You're saving lives. 835 00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 3: Thank you, Thank you for having me