WEBVTT - Executive Disorder: Supreme Court Rules Against Trump Tariffs, IVF, Cuts to ICE Training Now

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<v Speaker 1>Also media.

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<v Speaker 2>This is it could happen here.

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<v Speaker 3>Executive Disorder are weekly newscast covering what is happening in

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<v Speaker 3>the White House, the crumbling of our world and what

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<v Speaker 3>this means for you. I am James Stout and today

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<v Speaker 3>I am joined by Sophie Lichtman and Mia What.

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<v Speaker 2>This week we're.

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<v Speaker 3>Covering the week of February eighteenth to February twenty fifth.

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<v Speaker 4>We'll also have a segment by one Garrison. Davis added

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<v Speaker 4>on later they were out in the field covering a

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<v Speaker 4>story which will be an episode coming out soon.

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<v Speaker 3>But yeah, they were inside the capital, not the.

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<v Speaker 2>Januarited States Capital.

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<v Speaker 3>Yea, yeah, so around Mumbo Army, I understand is going

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<v Speaker 3>to pardon them and it will be fine.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh, two like four people who actually believe this.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, yeah, Please don't take to the subreddit. Garrison has

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<v Speaker 3>not been arrested. It's up a couple of small things,

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<v Speaker 3>I guess. Last week, the Georgia State Elections Board voted

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<v Speaker 3>to reprimand Elon Musk's America Pack for mailing absentee ballot

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<v Speaker 3>applications prey filled out with voting information during twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 3>four elections that violates the law. Uh yeah, yeah, and

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<v Speaker 3>they didn't they did this thing.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if you remember this.

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<v Speaker 3>They didn't indicate like it wasn't a ballot, it wasn't

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<v Speaker 3>from the government to vote with, it was from Elo Musk.

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<v Speaker 2>What that's so unhinged.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he was really on one back then. It'll be

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<v Speaker 3>interesting to see how he approaches the mid terms with

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<v Speaker 3>his America Party.

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<v Speaker 4>Wow, Scotus did say that USPS is legally immune for

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<v Speaker 4>intentionally misdelivered mail. They're basically saying, you know, and this

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<v Speaker 4>was a five to four decision and.

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<v Speaker 1>It happened on Tuesday.

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<v Speaker 4>February twenty fourth, that the US Postal Service can't be

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<v Speaker 4>held liable for intentional failure to deliver mail.

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<v Speaker 2>Only Hinge's decision. By the way, that the actual, the

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<v Speaker 2>actual story behind it is this black woman who was

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<v Speaker 2>renting property out to people and all the like, the

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<v Speaker 2>people were pissed about it because they're racists, and so

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<v Speaker 2>they were doing shit like intentionally not delivering bills and stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>They were like locking their mailboxes with like locks that

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<v Speaker 2>no one had the keys to because the post office

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<v Speaker 2>people were just putting locks on it. And it got

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<v Speaker 2>ruled that they have immunity for this. Wow, bizarre.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, I mean all of this just feels like it's

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<v Speaker 4>being targeted for voter suppression.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, that's a bigger story.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But also another case of Supreme Court says racism. Fine, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>many such cases.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, that's the that's the doctrine. The other thing was

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<v Speaker 3>this this week is part of the DHS shut down.

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<v Speaker 3>Lewandowski and nom decided that they were going to shut

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<v Speaker 3>down TSA pre check and global entry so those people

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<v Speaker 3>aren't familiar, are like expedited processing. One is forgetting on

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<v Speaker 3>the plane as you go for security there, and the

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<v Speaker 3>other one is for when you arrive in the United

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<v Speaker 3>States and nuclear costumes that this lasted for like minutes.

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<v Speaker 3>It seems that way. I think global entry is still paused.

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<v Speaker 3>There are other ways in which having a global entry

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<v Speaker 3>car can exploit your entry into the US still, but

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<v Speaker 3>the pre check thing did not last very long because

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<v Speaker 3>that would.

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<v Speaker 2>Have probably pissed off all the wrong people, right, like.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and also make lines even longer, which is airports

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<v Speaker 4>are already a nightmare.

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<v Speaker 2>Come on, come on, they would have gotten killed by

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<v Speaker 2>their own congressional staffers.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. You think Ted Cruz doesn't have TSA pre check.

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<v Speaker 3>Please the idea that like, okay, so we're like they're

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<v Speaker 3>forcing all the TSA people to work anyway, right, because

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<v Speaker 3>they are essential employees. But be like, if you can

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<v Speaker 3>find a way to make those people work less, let's

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<v Speaker 3>say by having a group of people who have been

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<v Speaker 3>pre cleared so the TSA people don't have to spend

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<v Speaker 3>quite a long checking them.

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<v Speaker 2>That helps.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, this is not a cost saving measure. This is

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<v Speaker 3>clearly to try to punish people and put it on

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<v Speaker 3>the dems.

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<v Speaker 4>I simply have TSA pre check just so I don't

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<v Speaker 4>have to take off my shoes, and because it brings

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<v Speaker 4>me great joy when I get to ditch people who

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<v Speaker 4>do not have love ditching Robert Evans at the airport

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<v Speaker 4>and every time we travel together it's a battle who

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<v Speaker 4>will get through the line first.

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<v Speaker 1>And one time it was him and he was like.

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<v Speaker 4>Ah, you know what I deserve that a prettiest ye

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<v Speaker 4>A previous job bought me that PSA prey check and

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<v Speaker 4>I've had it.

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<v Speaker 1>For years, and wow, I love not taking my shoes off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it. That's the only person for me. I'm like, Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>get to wear shoes.

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<v Speaker 4>First world problems, Oh, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's talk briefly about Mexico. Yes, oh god, dramatic tone shift.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know you might use your

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<v Speaker 3>pre check on a trip to Mexico.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 3>Transition Wow, yeah, that's a transition. That's what we do here.

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<v Speaker 3>See yeah, professional podcasting. The Mexican military killed Elemento on Sunday.

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<v Speaker 3>Mento's legal name is Nemesio where servantees. He was, of

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<v Speaker 3>course the leader of the CJ and G, which is

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<v Speaker 3>I guess the English translation would be like the Hallisco

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<v Speaker 3>Cartel new generation, right. The Spanish acronym is how it's

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<v Speaker 3>generally used. He was also the most wanted person in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 3>The operation was carried out by the Mexican military. I've

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<v Speaker 3>seen some reports that they didn't notify local law enforcement

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<v Speaker 3>so he wouldn't be tipped off now. Mento is reported

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<v Speaker 3>to have died on a military flight after the raid,

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<v Speaker 3>so have been injured in the raid and then died

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<v Speaker 3>on the way back to Mexico City, where he was

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<v Speaker 3>obviously going to be treated, and then questioned if he survived.

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<v Speaker 3>I guess in response, more than two hundred and fifty

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<v Speaker 3>knuck called blockados knuckle blockaloes. If you're not familiar. Are

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<v Speaker 3>roadblocks that are generally made up of vehicles that are carjacked.

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<v Speaker 3>They're often like buses, and then they're set a blaze

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<v Speaker 3>that they're set at ninety degrees to the direction of

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<v Speaker 3>traveler of the road right, so it makes a roadblock.

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<v Speaker 3>So more than two hundred and fifty of these were

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<v Speaker 3>set up around the country. This is a relatively common response.

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<v Speaker 3>The most I guess, like serious response we've seen to

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<v Speaker 3>a government action before was called the Kolia Kanasso.

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<v Speaker 2>Couliacan was in a lower cartel.

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<v Speaker 3>This this one they're calling the men jassel right, using

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<v Speaker 3>the same etymology, I guess. There have also been attacks

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<v Speaker 3>on Mexican National Guard troops, killing more than two dozen

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<v Speaker 3>In twenty four hours. Following the raids, more than sixty

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<v Speaker 3>civilians I've now been reported to have been killed, including

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<v Speaker 3>a pregnant woman. Yeah, it's all like it's folks in

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<v Speaker 3>Mexico who going to suffer, right, Like it's every day

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<v Speaker 3>people trying to get on with their lives. Another of

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<v Speaker 3>the things that happened is the bank will be nstar

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<v Speaker 3>so like well being bank. I guess I would translate

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<v Speaker 3>that as it's a bank that exists to bring people

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<v Speaker 3>into the banking system who would otherwise be unbanked. It's

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<v Speaker 3>a government initiative in Mexico. So a lot of branches

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<v Speaker 3>of that bank have been burnt down. This is part

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<v Speaker 3>of a tendency on the part of Shinenbaum right to

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<v Speaker 3>repudiate the previous policy of hugs not bullets, and to

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<v Speaker 3>go after organized crime in Mexico more violently.

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<v Speaker 2>I guess it.

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<v Speaker 3>Seems like the country's security forces have been leading the

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<v Speaker 3>charge against the seen A lower cartel, and this maybe

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<v Speaker 3>indicates that it's the military who were going.

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<v Speaker 2>After the Hallischico cartel.

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<v Speaker 3>So like the two branches are pursuing separate missions against

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<v Speaker 3>against different entities. Right, it remains to be seen if

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<v Speaker 3>there was any US involvement.

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<v Speaker 2>I kind of take.

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<v Speaker 3>Issue at the needs you suggestion that there has to

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<v Speaker 3>have been US involvement. Like, the Mexican government is more

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<v Speaker 3>than capable of doing state violence. It has done so

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<v Speaker 3>for a long time. Yep, you know, the Mexican government

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<v Speaker 3>is capable of acting on its own. Not everything that

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<v Speaker 3>happens is about America. I don't want to cover this

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<v Speaker 3>in too great of a detail. It's not really a

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<v Speaker 3>beat that we report on other than this is a

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<v Speaker 3>relatively major occurrence in Mexico.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, and Gear is gonna plug in now future Gear,

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<v Speaker 4>tell us what you got?

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<v Speaker 2>Hello.

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<v Speaker 5>Garrison Davis here with Sophie Lechterman for a special segment

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<v Speaker 5>about the Super Bowl commercial for Ring the Doorbell, owned

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<v Speaker 5>by Amazon Yep. During the Super Bowl, Amazon's Ring Doorbell

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<v Speaker 5>air commercial showing off a new feature called Search Party,

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<v Speaker 5>which was advertised as a way to locate lost dogs

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<v Speaker 5>by automatically searching through footage captured by ring cameras in

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<v Speaker 5>the neighborhood to track a pet's movements.

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<v Speaker 4>Ooh, who picked the name search party? And who thought

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<v Speaker 4>that wasn't creepy?

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<v Speaker 5>Search Party is interesting because it makes you think of

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<v Speaker 5>like a crime scene. Yes, that is a brain link

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<v Speaker 5>that they may not have intended. Let's play, yes, please

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<v Speaker 5>the audio from this commercial because, as Sophie discussed before

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<v Speaker 5>we started this segment, where we're unsure of the overlap

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<v Speaker 5>of it could happen here listeners and Super Bowl watchers.

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<v Speaker 5>So here is the Ring commercial audio. It's thirty seconds.

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<v Speaker 2>This is milw pets her family.

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<v Speaker 6>But every year ten million go missing, and the way

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<v Speaker 6>we look for them hasn't changed in years.

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<v Speaker 2>Until now.

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<v Speaker 6>One post of a dog's photo in the Ring app

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<v Speaker 6>starts outdoor cameras looking for a match. Search Party from

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<v Speaker 6>Ring uses AI to help families find lost dogs. Since launch,

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<v Speaker 6>more than a dog a day has been reunited with

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<v Speaker 6>their family. Be a hero in your neighborhood with Search

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<v Speaker 6>Party available to everyone for free right now, Join the

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<v Speaker 6>neighborhood at rain dot com.

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<v Speaker 2>Join the neighbor uh No?

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<v Speaker 1>Also, when did they launch this?

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<v Speaker 2>Do we know it's launched? I'm pretty sure Search Party

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<v Speaker 2>is launched.

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't believe that dog and Day bullshit.

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<v Speaker 5>It launched in late twenty twenty five, Okay, and I

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<v Speaker 5>can speak to this a little bit more, Actually sure,

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<v Speaker 5>because I saw this feature early when I was in

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<v Speaker 5>Las Vegas. Actually right, this commercial this intends to portray,

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<v Speaker 5>you know, a heartwarming unification of a dog and its owner,

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<v Speaker 5>but in effect, the ad sparked public backlash, including from

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<v Speaker 5>politicians like Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey and privacy rights organizations,

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<v Speaker 5>and among normies because this ad accidentally demonstrated the technological

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<v Speaker 5>capacity to turn every neighborhood Ring camera into a web

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<v Speaker 5>of surveillance that AI can use to locate anything.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on a picture.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, as I said, I saw this feature unveiled at

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<v Speaker 5>CEES last month. I talked about it on Better Offline.

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<v Speaker 5>At ces the AI search functionality was described like this.

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<v Speaker 5>The owner of a lost pet can upload a photo

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<v Speaker 5>and post a notice in the ring app. An Amazon

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<v Speaker 5>will utilize ring cameras in the area to search for matches,

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<v Speaker 5>and if a match is found, the owner of the

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<v Speaker 5>camera can share the footage with the owner of the

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<v Speaker 5>lost pet. But the public display this technology during the

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<v Speaker 5>Super Bowl has stirred trouble and bad headlines for Amazon.

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<v Speaker 5>Senator Ed Markey said that the ad quote exposed a

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<v Speaker 5>scary truth the technology in its doorbell cameras can be

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<v Speaker 5>used to hunt down a lost pet or a person.

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<v Speaker 5>Americans oppose this creepy surveillance state unquote, and the privacy

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<v Speaker 5>rights organization the Electronic Frontier Foundation wrote in a statement

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<v Speaker 5>that the ad was quote unquote disguised as heartfelt, but

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<v Speaker 5>actually quote previewed future surveillance of our streets, a world

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<v Speaker 5>where biometric identification could be unleashed from consumer devices to identify, track,

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<v Speaker 5>and locate anything human, pet, or otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>Quote.

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<v Speaker 5>Now, these concerns are in the wake of high profile

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<v Speaker 5>ICE rates targeting neighborhoods, and a recent announcement that RING

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<v Speaker 5>was going to partner with the police surveillance company Flock,

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<v Speaker 5>which operates large scale, integrated camera systems that allow police

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<v Speaker 5>to tap into a network of surveillance in urban areas

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<v Speaker 5>through cameras and license plate readers. Now, Flock claims that

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<v Speaker 5>they do not give federal immigration agencies direct access to footage,

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<v Speaker 5>and that may be true, that.

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<v Speaker 4>Doesn't mean that won't change that they don't have capability

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<v Speaker 4>to do so.

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<v Speaker 5>Well, and that doesn't mean that CBP and ICE can't

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<v Speaker 5>acquire that footage in other ways and currently right now,

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<v Speaker 5>a four h four media report from last May showed

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<v Speaker 5>that local police working with ICE used Flock's camera network

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<v Speaker 5>to track immigrants as a part of ICE and homeland

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<v Speaker 5>security investigation. So they are getting access to this footage

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<v Speaker 5>even though they aren't directly tapped into the Flock network,

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<v Speaker 5>because they can work with local agencies in states that

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<v Speaker 5>do not have sanctuary city policies and in states that

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<v Speaker 5>maybe do, because police may not be always following those laws,

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<v Speaker 5>Ring not. Flock says that their footage can be requested

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<v Speaker 5>by local law enforcement, and users can decide whether or

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<v Speaker 5>not to respond, though Ring is also subject to Warrens, subpoenas,

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<v Speaker 5>and court orders requiring some footage be handed over to authorities.

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<v Speaker 5>Following the backlash to the Super Bowl ad, Ring canceled

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<v Speaker 5>its partnership with Flock in what the companies describe as

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<v Speaker 5>a mutual decision. The deal would have allowed Ring owners

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<v Speaker 5>to directly share footage with the Flock network.

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<v Speaker 2>Now.

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<v Speaker 5>All of this happened around the same time that the

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<v Speaker 5>FBI was able to access recorded footage from Nancy Guthrie's

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<v Speaker 5>Google Nest camera as a part of that kidnapping investigation,

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<v Speaker 5>despite Guthrie not having an active recording subscription, so this

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<v Speaker 5>too sparked privacy concerns. Cash Fortel, FBI director said that

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<v Speaker 5>the footage was recovered from quote residual data located in

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<v Speaker 5>back end SYSTEMSOTE. This was footage that Google records and

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<v Speaker 5>stores for free on a temporary basis, usually for a

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<v Speaker 5>few hours before it is quote unquote deleted. So if

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<v Speaker 5>you have one of these Nest cameras, Google will store

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<v Speaker 5>a few hours of footage for you to look at

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<v Speaker 5>for free and then says that it's going to be

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<v Speaker 5>quote unquote deleted, and Nest owners can pay a reoccurring

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<v Speaker 5>fee to keep that footage accessible on the Google Cloud

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<v Speaker 5>for longer. Guthrie did not have such a subscription, so

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<v Speaker 5>this data that was recorded was marked for deletion. But

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<v Speaker 5>data deletion is not an immediate process. It just marks

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<v Speaker 5>a piece of data as being okay to write over

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<v Speaker 5>with new data, which means until that happens, fragments of

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<v Speaker 5>that data can be retrieved and pieced back together. But

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<v Speaker 5>this can be tricky and take a lot of time,

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<v Speaker 5>and in this case, it took Google over a week

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<v Speaker 5>for a very high profile case.

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<v Speaker 4>And they're still working behind the scenes to retrieve even

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<v Speaker 4>more footage. Yeah, from this Nest cameras.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not easy.

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<v Speaker 5>I think the sort of privacy concerns for this case

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<v Speaker 5>do not reflect largely for I think most people's concerns

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<v Speaker 5>because the specific way Google stores it footage in the

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<v Speaker 5>cloud is also unique to the Google Nest system. Ring

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<v Speaker 5>doesn't do it in this same way.

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<v Speaker 4>They also ended up outsourcing this to like private security

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<v Speaker 4>retrievers for data retrievers, as opposed to doing it internally,

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<v Speaker 4>either with the local sheriffs or FBI, which says a lot.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, not surprising, and yeah, there's always a concern with

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<v Speaker 5>these sorts of you know, doorbell cameras, that the footage

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<v Speaker 5>can be subpeded, right, but that process also takes a

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<v Speaker 5>long time. I think there's a difference between the sort

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<v Speaker 5>of flock style immediate access and subpoena ining footage or

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<v Speaker 5>having to piece together fragmented footage in the case of

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<v Speaker 5>like the Nest storage system. But this is this is

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<v Speaker 5>the current situation with with the Ring and Flock deal

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<v Speaker 5>that fell through. Ring does partner with Axon, the bodycam company. Similarly,

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<v Speaker 5>police can send requests to Ring users and they can

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<v Speaker 5>voluntarily send the footage. If they choose not to police

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<v Speaker 5>really want that footage, they can try to get a

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<v Speaker 5>court order that may or may not succeed, depending on

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<v Speaker 5>the details of that case.

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<v Speaker 4>My question is when you were a CS what what

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<v Speaker 4>were they highlighting there? Was it different from this commercial

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<v Speaker 4>or was it a similar campaign?

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<v Speaker 5>It was very similar to this commercial. It was it

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<v Speaker 5>was like a section of the large like Amazon room.

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<v Speaker 5>Like Amazon has a whole suite a suite in this hotel,

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<v Speaker 5>but it's it's not it's not like a hotel room.

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<v Speaker 5>It's on the convention floor. But they have like their

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<v Speaker 5>whole whole like kind of ballroom section Amazon wing and

0:17:05.000 --> 0:17:08.040
<v Speaker 5>Amazon wing of the convention. Yeah, and this was one

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<v Speaker 5>of the many products. They had a few other surveillance products,

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<v Speaker 5>like a like a security camera tower it's powered by

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<v Speaker 5>solar that can like roll around. Also as planning to

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<v Speaker 5>integrate into these web surveillance networks. But since this ad

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<v Speaker 5>and the negative backlash which led to the Flock deal

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<v Speaker 5>coming through, there still has been reports from four oh

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<v Speaker 5>four media about internal discussions among Ring to use search

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<v Speaker 5>Party for crime to quote unquote stop crime, and they're

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<v Speaker 5>still ongoing discussion on the various ways to apply this technology.

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<v Speaker 5>In an internal email acquired by four o four, the

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<v Speaker 5>Ring CEO said that search Party could be a tool

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<v Speaker 5>to help quote zero out crime in neighborhoods. So the

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<v Speaker 5>capabilities of using this to track humans are very known

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<v Speaker 5>among the people at RING.

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's really interesting how quickly this partnership dissolved

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<v Speaker 4>with the backlash from that Super Bowl ad. It seemed

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<v Speaker 4>to be almost instant. It's pretty quick, which shows that

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<v Speaker 4>once upthing's really bad and you point it out, sometimes

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<v Speaker 4>that can work to stop said bad thing.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Search party creepy though like a law enforcement still wants

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<v Speaker 4>to use it potentially be helpful with certain things, maybe,

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<v Speaker 4>but it really just seems like they're trying to do

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<v Speaker 4>like normal people surveillance.

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<v Speaker 5>Yeah, and then putting it with this you heartwarming package

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<v Speaker 5>of helping find lost dogs. If you want to locate

0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:37.479
<v Speaker 5>a lost dog, the most efficient way to do that

0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.359
<v Speaker 5>is by having your dog myca trips. That is still

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<v Speaker 5>the most most reliable method. Using this integrated camera network

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<v Speaker 5>as a as a way to coax people into submitting

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<v Speaker 5>into a system like this by waving the lost puppy

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<v Speaker 5>banner is a little bit insidious.

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<v Speaker 4>Leave the dogs alone. The dogs don't want to be surveilled.

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<v Speaker 4>My dog doesn't want to be surveilled. She does, she

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<v Speaker 4>surveils mind house, Stop trying to take the dog's jobs.

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<v Speaker 4>We're gonna go to a quick ad.

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<v Speaker 1>Break and we'll be back. And we're back.

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<v Speaker 4>And I just wanted to follow up on something that

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<v Speaker 4>was kind of overlooked from the City of the Union,

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<v Speaker 4>which was, you know, kind of a throwaway discussion about

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<v Speaker 4>IVF and I just wanted to give some information because

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<v Speaker 4>I think it's worth talking about for those of you

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<v Speaker 4>who don't know, IVF is incredibly expensive. According to I

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<v Speaker 4>looked at the National Bureau of Economic Research as well

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<v Speaker 4>as an article from CNY Fertility that says the average

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<v Speaker 4>coughs of IVF is often quoted at twelve thousand dollars,

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<v Speaker 4>but that is just the price quoted by the fertillity

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<v Speaker 4>clinic for like their base package. And I have several

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<v Speaker 4>friends who have gone through this and the costs are outrageous,

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<v Speaker 4>many other necessary expenses on top of that, twelve thousand

0:20:03.320 --> 0:20:08.280
<v Speaker 4>dollars is around twenty thousand dollars and for most folks,

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<v Speaker 4>on average, IBS doesn't necessarily work the first time around.

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<v Speaker 4>For a lot of people, you're spending somewhere between thirty

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<v Speaker 4>thousand per round to fifty to sixty thousand per round.

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<v Speaker 4>And you know, despite and fertility being a medical diagnosis

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<v Speaker 4>and IBF being the best medical treatment for that. A

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<v Speaker 4>twenty eighteen analysis of the IBF insurance market by Mercer

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<v Speaker 4>found that seventy four percent of Americans do not have

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<v Speaker 4>insurance coverage for IBF, and you know, just from speaking

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<v Speaker 4>with friends, even if they do, it's still outrageously expensive.

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<v Speaker 4>So we're looking at a cost of about somewhere between

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<v Speaker 4>depending on insurance or without insurance. And that's not even

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<v Speaker 4>including the medical cost. That's not including the downtime cost

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<v Speaker 4>of not working. That's not including if you're just doing

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<v Speaker 4>egg retrieval, and the cost of storage. But these expenses

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<v Speaker 4>are outrageous and it's been a heated topic for many

0:21:03.240 --> 0:21:06.440
<v Speaker 4>folks in the far right. And just for an example,

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<v Speaker 4>I would like to play a clip from Charlie Kirk

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<v Speaker 4>talking to to Sorry Sorry in advance, two girl twins

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<v Speaker 4>that you know. I actually when this when this video

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<v Speaker 4>originally dropped, it was a discussion with a bunch.

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<v Speaker 1>Of my friends. So I kind of think it's worth sharing.

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<v Speaker 4>Just to see, like how heated of a topic it is,

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<v Speaker 4>because I want to talk about how Donald Trump has

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<v Speaker 4>addressed it and how that changed.

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<v Speaker 1>So here is an interaction between two.

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<v Speaker 4>Girls that were IVF babies talking to Charlie Kirk about IVF,

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<v Speaker 4>and I think it's just really interesting to hear that

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<v Speaker 4>extreme thinking from that side.

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<v Speaker 7>Hi, Charlie, Hi, So my name is Paige and this

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<v Speaker 7>is my twin sister IVF.

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<v Speaker 8>We have two older sisters that are also IVF.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, so this is about IVF of.

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<v Speaker 8>Course, so I'm particularly a neutral on the topic. I

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<v Speaker 8>don't want to have like a forced opinion because like

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<v Speaker 8>my entire families kind of become a product of IVF.

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<v Speaker 9>Or you guys surahcuse too or just IVF just if.

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<v Speaker 8>But I watch your videos and so I've noticed that

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<v Speaker 8>in one of your videos you do mention that you

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<v Speaker 8>are okay with IVF, but you're morally against it. Is

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<v Speaker 8>that true?

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, it's a little bit deeper than that, But I

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<v Speaker 9>have a lot of problems with IVF albe it while

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<v Speaker 9>acknowledging the fruit. I'm glad you're both alive and so

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<v Speaker 9>that must be celebrated. So it's a very I'll explain

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<v Speaker 9>the difficulty, but please continue, Okay.

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<v Speaker 8>My part one of my question is just as someone

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<v Speaker 8>who was conceived through IVF, why should I also be

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<v Speaker 8>morally against it?

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<v Speaker 9>Got good question, Okay, So, as a pro life for

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<v Speaker 9>first and foremost, we have to have an issue with

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<v Speaker 9>the discarded fertilized eggs that happen during IVF. That's why

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<v Speaker 9>you guys are twins, is because during your creation process,

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<v Speaker 9>if I can be provocatively blunt with your you lost

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of your siblings. Yes, am I correct and saying.

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<v Speaker 8>So for our older sisters they had six embryos in

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<v Speaker 8>their batch, two came out, of course, but for us

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<v Speaker 8>there were three and then two came out.

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<v Speaker 9>Yeah, and so that's my first problem is that it

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<v Speaker 9>definitionally is saying like we're going to discard life to

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<v Speaker 9>get to life. I have a problem with that.

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<v Speaker 2>So I do.

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<v Speaker 7>Agree, but in a certain way. Oh sorry, So in

0:23:27.320 --> 0:23:30.320
<v Speaker 7>a certain way, those embryos, like say, they weren't going

0:23:30.359 --> 0:23:33.080
<v Speaker 7>to become anyways, but at least we were trying because

0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:34.600
<v Speaker 7>they were going to be raised in a house where

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<v Speaker 7>we are pro life and we really wanted to be

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<v Speaker 7>able to have kids and cherish that. But by taking

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<v Speaker 7>that loss, they were able to have at least us

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<v Speaker 7>out of the three, at least they could have the one.

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<v Speaker 7>So it's kind of I don't know where I'm going

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<v Speaker 7>with that.

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<v Speaker 9>I understand what you're saying. So there's a pro life

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<v Speaker 9>way to do IVA, which is only implant the eggs

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<v Speaker 9>of which the children that you actually want to raise,

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<v Speaker 9>and so by the way, you have a lower likelihood

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<v Speaker 9>of working because in your case it would be maybe

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<v Speaker 9>two or three. For example, the way that the IVF

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<v Speaker 9>doctor will sell it. It is like, look, here's six embryos.

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<v Speaker 9>You'll be lucky if one or two implant to the

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<v Speaker 9>uterine wall. Let's see what happens. Now in certain cases,

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<v Speaker 9>four implant to the uterine wall and you get quadruplets, right,

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<v Speaker 9>which is what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>I find that to be a little bit.

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<v Speaker 9>Creepy, to be honest, that a doctor can kind of

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<v Speaker 9>call shots on what life is going to live and

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<v Speaker 9>not live.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're a little bit creepy.

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<v Speaker 2>Just I understand what an a is. Like, I just like,

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<v Speaker 2>ideologically obviously no, but like, what how does he think that?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so that was like an extreme side of things.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, that opinion of you're killing your siblings and you

0:24:51.480 --> 0:24:53.960
<v Speaker 4>know that, that sort of thing. I just find it

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<v Speaker 4>the beginning of that video. I talked about it with

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<v Speaker 4>a lot of my friends when I first came out.

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<v Speaker 4>I just thought it was so interesting that where he's like, well,

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<v Speaker 4>I'm glad you're alive, but you're immoral? Is such a

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<v Speaker 4>such such an unhinged stance. Meanwhile, during the Trump campaign,

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<v Speaker 4>Sorry in advance, Donald Trump's voice.

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<v Speaker 2>Trump back to back hazard pay.

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<v Speaker 3>After listening to it for like two hours last night

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<v Speaker 3>of the.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, yeah, Trump deeply pivoted We're going back to like

0:25:29.119 --> 0:25:31.440
<v Speaker 4>about a month before the election in twenty twenty four,

0:25:31.720 --> 0:25:36.200
<v Speaker 4>but he deeply pivoted on IVF after the Biomi Supreme

0:25:36.200 --> 0:25:39.080
<v Speaker 4>Court issued a ruling that effectively halted IVF treatment in

0:25:39.119 --> 0:25:41.720
<v Speaker 4>the state by declaring that frozen embryos.

0:25:41.760 --> 0:25:44.000
<v Speaker 1>Are legally considered to be children.

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<v Speaker 4>This decision led to a temporary shot down of IVF

0:25:48.200 --> 0:25:51.679
<v Speaker 4>services at major clinics due to liability risks. This is,

0:25:52.040 --> 0:25:56.119
<v Speaker 4>you know, from Johns Hopkins Public health website. Yeah, and

0:25:56.160 --> 0:26:00.600
<v Speaker 4>so that started a big discussion and splits of different

0:26:00.600 --> 0:26:04.960
<v Speaker 4>people on different political sides about the topic. But yeah,

0:26:05.080 --> 0:26:07.360
<v Speaker 4>Trump pivoted an IVF and this is what he had

0:26:07.400 --> 0:26:13.520
<v Speaker 4>to say, Oh, I want to talk about IVF.

0:26:13.760 --> 0:26:15.680
<v Speaker 10>I'm the father of IVF, so I want to hear

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:16.200
<v Speaker 10>this question.

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<v Speaker 2>What the fuck?

0:26:18.560 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 4>Also during the campaign trail, in an interview with NBC News,

0:26:23.200 --> 0:26:24.439
<v Speaker 4>this is the most important clip of it.

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<v Speaker 11>He said the following, Well, as you know, I was

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<v Speaker 11>always for IVF right from the beginning, as soon as

0:26:30.240 --> 0:26:32.920
<v Speaker 11>we heard about it. It's fertilization and it's helping women

0:26:32.960 --> 0:26:34.040
<v Speaker 11>and men and families.

0:26:34.760 --> 0:26:38.080
<v Speaker 12>But it's helping women able to have a baby.

0:26:38.760 --> 0:26:42.080
<v Speaker 11>Some have great difficulty, and a lot of them have

0:26:42.119 --> 0:26:44.240
<v Speaker 11>been very happy with the results, as you know, and

0:26:44.240 --> 0:26:46.520
<v Speaker 11>what we're doing, and we're doing this because we just

0:26:46.520 --> 0:26:47.920
<v Speaker 11>think it's great and we.

0:26:47.840 --> 0:26:51.000
<v Speaker 12>Need great children, beautiful children in our country.

0:26:51.000 --> 0:26:53.639
<v Speaker 11>We actually need them, and we are going to be

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:57.359
<v Speaker 11>under the Trump administration, we are going to be paying

0:26:57.440 --> 0:26:58.160
<v Speaker 11>for that treatment.

0:26:58.600 --> 0:27:00.320
<v Speaker 12>So we are paying for that treatment.

0:27:00.560 --> 0:27:02.400
<v Speaker 3>Or you want it, or for for.

0:27:02.359 --> 0:27:05.239
<v Speaker 11>All Americans that get it, all Americans that need it.

0:27:05.280 --> 0:27:06.600
<v Speaker 11>So we're going to be paying for that drape.

0:27:06.640 --> 0:27:09.280
<v Speaker 12>And or we're going to be mandating that the insurance

0:27:09.320 --> 0:27:09.960
<v Speaker 12>company plays.

0:27:10.160 --> 0:27:12.400
<v Speaker 2>So either either the government will pay for it or

0:27:12.440 --> 0:27:14.119
<v Speaker 2>the insurance companies under a mandate.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, that did not happen. He campaigned on that and

0:27:18.000 --> 0:27:20.600
<v Speaker 4>just giving that false hope to people struggling with infertility

0:27:20.600 --> 0:27:23.840
<v Speaker 4>who can't afford the Like I said, thirty to sixty

0:27:23.920 --> 0:27:27.720
<v Speaker 4>to god knows how much thousands of dollars is pretty sick.

0:27:28.000 --> 0:27:30.440
<v Speaker 3>It's particularly weird when I understand this is this thing

0:27:30.480 --> 0:27:32.359
<v Speaker 3>that like his party is not united on, but like

0:27:32.400 --> 0:27:36.000
<v Speaker 3>they've gone after not having to pay for other reproductive

0:27:36.040 --> 0:27:41.280
<v Speaker 3>health care right and like specifically I'm talking mostly about

0:27:41.320 --> 0:27:45.320
<v Speaker 3>abortions here right, like that insurers or employers would not

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:47.840
<v Speaker 3>have to pay for it, and that that's a demand

0:27:47.880 --> 0:27:50.600
<v Speaker 3>that you constantly hear on the right, Like, I guess

0:27:50.600 --> 0:27:53.280
<v Speaker 3>it this is such a strange issue for them because

0:27:53.440 --> 0:27:55.320
<v Speaker 3>I guess it's one of the few areas where there's

0:27:55.359 --> 0:27:58.639
<v Speaker 3>still like some division where they haven't all just like

0:27:59.240 --> 0:28:00.560
<v Speaker 3>fallen into life on it.

0:28:01.160 --> 0:28:01.360
<v Speaker 13>Right.

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<v Speaker 4>And right after he was elected, it was in the

0:28:03.760 --> 0:28:06.080
<v Speaker 4>middle of February twenty twenty five, you put on an

0:28:06.119 --> 0:28:09.080
<v Speaker 4>executive order that said, end quote to support American families

0:28:09.160 --> 0:28:12.800
<v Speaker 4>is the policy of my administration to ensure reliable access

0:28:12.840 --> 0:28:17.400
<v Speaker 4>to the IVF treatment, including by easy unnecessary statutory regulatory

0:28:17.440 --> 0:28:20.879
<v Speaker 4>burdens to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable. Okay, so

0:28:20.920 --> 0:28:24.920
<v Speaker 4>he's already gone back on the promise from money campaign,

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:28.000
<v Speaker 4>but that didn't stop him from doing this.

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<v Speaker 11>We're going to have tremendous, tremendous goodies in the bag

0:28:32.560 --> 0:28:35.960
<v Speaker 11>for women to hold women between the fertilization or all

0:28:36.000 --> 0:28:37.600
<v Speaker 11>of the other things that we're talking about.

0:28:37.640 --> 0:28:40.280
<v Speaker 12>It's going to be it's going to be grace. We're

0:28:40.840 --> 0:28:49.880
<v Speaker 12>joined today. Horrible word fertilization. I'm I'm still very proud

0:28:49.880 --> 0:28:50.080
<v Speaker 12>of it.

0:28:50.120 --> 0:28:50.640
<v Speaker 10>I don't care.

0:28:52.240 --> 0:28:54.320
<v Speaker 12>I'll be known as the fertilization President.

0:28:54.360 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 2>That that's okay, that's not bad. That's not bad.

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.800
<v Speaker 10>I've I've been called I've been called much worse.

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:05.760
<v Speaker 1>Wow, yeah you have.

0:29:06.800 --> 0:29:08.440
<v Speaker 3>That's it.

0:29:08.800 --> 0:29:10.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I didn't expect that one. Today.

0:29:11.280 --> 0:29:14.400
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, it's so insane.

0:29:14.800 --> 0:29:17.239
<v Speaker 4>And then back in last October, they put out like

0:29:17.280 --> 0:29:19.880
<v Speaker 4>one of their like White House fact sheets, you know,

0:29:20.200 --> 0:29:23.240
<v Speaker 4>fact sheet President J. Trump announces action to lower costs

0:29:23.280 --> 0:29:27.160
<v Speaker 4>and expand access to in vitro fertilization IVF and high

0:29:27.240 --> 0:29:31.240
<v Speaker 4>quality fertility care and for the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.

0:29:31.720 --> 0:29:33.440
<v Speaker 4>You can read this on the White House website, but

0:29:33.440 --> 0:29:35.720
<v Speaker 4>this summary pretty much covers it. It's that the Trump

0:29:35.760 --> 0:29:38.960
<v Speaker 4>administration's ivfinition contains two king components. The first is a

0:29:39.040 --> 0:29:44.320
<v Speaker 4>drug pricing agreement with far supertical company EMD Serrano provides

0:29:44.360 --> 0:29:47.160
<v Speaker 4>discounts on the list prices of select IVF medications. These

0:29:47.160 --> 0:29:50.400
<v Speaker 4>medications will be offered at a lower cost to eligible

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:54.240
<v Speaker 4>users through a government operated portal trump RX dot CoV

0:29:55.040 --> 0:29:58.800
<v Speaker 4>and preliminary federal estimates from the Centers for Medicare and

0:29:58.880 --> 0:30:02.400
<v Speaker 4>Medicaid Services suggest potential savings of up to twenty two

0:30:02.440 --> 0:30:07.240
<v Speaker 4>hundred dollars per treatment cycle for medications alone. So trumprx

0:30:07.280 --> 0:30:09.880
<v Speaker 4>dot gov launched this month in February twenty twenty six.

0:30:09.920 --> 0:30:12.480
<v Speaker 4>It's a government hosted website that serves as a facilitator

0:30:12.800 --> 0:30:15.760
<v Speaker 4>and points Americans to drug makers direct to consumer websites

0:30:16.080 --> 0:30:17.440
<v Speaker 4>where they can make purchases.

0:30:17.480 --> 0:30:19.440
<v Speaker 1>It also provides coupons.

0:30:18.920 --> 0:30:22.520
<v Speaker 4>To use it Pharma disease and it seems basically like

0:30:22.840 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 4>a government version of good RX and is very similar

0:30:26.360 --> 0:30:29.040
<v Speaker 4>to Mark Cuban's Cost plus Drugs, which has a lot

0:30:29.080 --> 0:30:32.840
<v Speaker 4>of the same medications with similar discounts, including the same

0:30:33.000 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 4>kind of medications for fertility and per ASMR. Again, this

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:39.720
<v Speaker 4>move alone does not make IVF attainable for most patients.

0:30:39.840 --> 0:30:42.320
<v Speaker 4>Fertility drugs represent only one portion of the overall cost

0:30:42.360 --> 0:30:45.600
<v Speaker 4>of care, and patients without good insurance coverage continue to

0:30:45.600 --> 0:30:50.000
<v Speaker 4>face significant out of it expensive Trump has repeatedly promised

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:53.800
<v Speaker 4>to make IVF University successful. This announcement does not fulfill

0:30:53.920 --> 0:30:57.640
<v Speaker 4>that promise. Meaningful progress requires policies that ensure all Americans

0:30:57.680 --> 0:31:00.640
<v Speaker 4>who need medical assistance to build their families and access

0:31:00.680 --> 0:31:01.080
<v Speaker 4>that care.

0:31:01.400 --> 0:31:03.600
<v Speaker 2>Also, by the way, you can't use your insurance with

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:09.000
<v Speaker 2>Trump are x. So yeah, it's an either roll. It's yeah.

0:31:09.240 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Great to note.

0:31:11.000 --> 0:31:13.680
<v Speaker 4>He specifically brought this up in last night's State of

0:31:13.680 --> 0:31:16.240
<v Speaker 4>the Union during one of his what I call a

0:31:16.360 --> 0:31:19.720
<v Speaker 4>propo I think back to like the Hunger CAG what

0:31:19.840 --> 0:31:22.400
<v Speaker 4>I call a propo, which is when they like bring

0:31:22.440 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 4>people out. I like dates back to like Reagan and

0:31:24.800 --> 0:31:26.720
<v Speaker 4>when they bring people out to be like and this

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:30.840
<v Speaker 4>person here. But it just was such a bizarre thing

0:31:31.200 --> 0:31:33.840
<v Speaker 4>to bring up. And you know, Trump's State of the

0:31:33.920 --> 0:31:36.200
<v Speaker 4>Union was the longest of all time.

0:31:36.560 --> 0:31:37.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think so.

0:31:37.920 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 4>And he spent a total of five minutes on healthcare alone,

0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:43.560
<v Speaker 4>and this was part of it.

0:31:44.760 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 10>And here tonight is the very first customer ever to

0:31:47.440 --> 0:31:51.520
<v Speaker 10>get that big discount, and it is big. Katherine Raider.

0:31:52.320 --> 0:31:55.320
<v Speaker 10>For five years, she and her husband have struggled with

0:31:55.480 --> 0:32:00.760
<v Speaker 10>infertility and they turned to IVF, one drug has been

0:32:00.920 --> 0:32:05.160
<v Speaker 10>costing Catherine four thousand dollars to purchase. But a few

0:32:05.200 --> 0:32:09.240
<v Speaker 10>weeks ago she logged onto the Trump RX website and

0:32:09.360 --> 0:32:12.320
<v Speaker 10>got that same drug that costs four thousand dollars, got

0:32:12.360 --> 0:32:15.760
<v Speaker 10>it for under five hundred dollars, a reduction of much

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:20.440
<v Speaker 10>more actually than three thousand, five hundred dollars. Catherine, we

0:32:20.520 --> 0:32:23.120
<v Speaker 10>are all praying for you and you're going to be

0:32:23.680 --> 0:32:26.400
<v Speaker 10>a great mom.

0:32:26.600 --> 0:32:27.360
<v Speaker 1>Really creepy.

0:32:27.520 --> 0:32:30.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, imagine having the president talking about how you've been boning,

0:32:30.720 --> 0:32:33.800
<v Speaker 3>Like like, what a fucking how you're having trouble, Like

0:32:34.080 --> 0:32:35.880
<v Speaker 3>that's a difficult thing for a lot of people to talk.

0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:38.400
<v Speaker 3>Like I've had friends who have gone through IVF as well. Yeah,

0:32:38.560 --> 0:32:41.560
<v Speaker 3>thing that happens when you're ear thirties, but like it's

0:32:41.560 --> 0:32:43.240
<v Speaker 3>a hard thing for people to talk about, let alone

0:32:43.280 --> 0:32:44.880
<v Speaker 3>to have to have it talked about in front of

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.160
<v Speaker 3>the whole fucking country.

0:32:46.520 --> 0:32:47.120
<v Speaker 1>Fertility.

0:32:47.280 --> 0:32:51.800
<v Speaker 4>Infertility is such a personal thing, and it's really to

0:32:51.880 --> 0:32:59.560
<v Speaker 4>use that woman's pain to promote your drug discount website.

0:33:00.120 --> 0:33:01.640
<v Speaker 1>It's pugg it's repugnant.

0:33:01.840 --> 0:33:04.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and she's still paying five hundred bucks a month,

0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:06.160
<v Speaker 3>like like that's just a lot of money.

0:33:06.200 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>She's unreal one hundred percent.

0:33:08.800 --> 0:33:12.040
<v Speaker 4>While that's not as bad as five thousand, that's so

0:33:12.240 --> 0:33:12.920
<v Speaker 4>much money.

0:33:13.440 --> 0:33:15.800
<v Speaker 1>And it's like, while any discounter.

0:33:15.520 --> 0:33:19.320
<v Speaker 4>Fertility related drugs is good, this is not what was promised.

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:23.200
<v Speaker 4>I've still ridiculously unachievable for most people. He is not

0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 4>the father of IVF, And this is fraudulent advertising. Just

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:34.760
<v Speaker 4>a way of like trying to promote his like artificial

0:33:34.840 --> 0:33:40.400
<v Speaker 4>empathy to a wider audience. And it's despicable and fertility

0:33:40.400 --> 0:33:43.920
<v Speaker 4>issues do not need to be played with like that.

0:33:43.920 --> 0:33:44.880
<v Speaker 1>That's what I had on that.

0:33:45.000 --> 0:33:46.920
<v Speaker 4>It was like a very big throwaway comment, but I

0:33:46.960 --> 0:33:50.040
<v Speaker 4>thought it was worth talking about because it's been there's

0:33:50.080 --> 0:33:52.480
<v Speaker 4>been like a linear lead up to what that was,

0:33:53.400 --> 0:33:56.160
<v Speaker 4>and I think it's important.

0:33:55.720 --> 0:33:56.360
<v Speaker 1>To talk about.

0:33:56.720 --> 0:33:57.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, definitely.

0:33:58.320 --> 0:34:02.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, anyways, James, you have more to talk about.

0:34:03.560 --> 0:34:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, So going back to Congress before the State of

0:34:06.720 --> 0:34:10.120
<v Speaker 3>the Union, Senator bloom Othol's office published a couple of

0:34:10.160 --> 0:34:14.800
<v Speaker 3>documents from two anonymous whistleblowers which show changes in basic

0:34:14.840 --> 0:34:20.120
<v Speaker 3>training for er. Er are enforcement removal operations, so they're

0:34:20.120 --> 0:34:23.120
<v Speaker 3>one of the branches of ICE. You also have AHSI

0:34:23.280 --> 0:34:27.880
<v Speaker 3>and then the ICE administrative stuff Majorsie homelown, security investigations,

0:34:28.160 --> 0:34:30.799
<v Speaker 3>the ER the other people who are supposed to go

0:34:30.880 --> 0:34:35.359
<v Speaker 3>out and detain and remove people, right, that is what

0:34:35.400 --> 0:34:39.799
<v Speaker 3>they do. The documents show quote cuts of more than

0:34:39.840 --> 0:34:43.760
<v Speaker 3>a dozen significant practice examinations which potential ICE ERO officer

0:34:43.800 --> 0:34:47.040
<v Speaker 3>is no longer must undergo. In fact, the cut is

0:34:47.360 --> 0:34:50.080
<v Speaker 3>sixteen out of a previous total of twenty five. So

0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.400
<v Speaker 3>there are now just nine of these practical exams, whereas

0:34:53.440 --> 0:34:53.879
<v Speaker 3>before there.

0:34:53.760 --> 0:34:54.479
<v Speaker 2>Were twenty five.

0:34:55.040 --> 0:35:00.000
<v Speaker 3>The exams to remove include quote judgment, pistol shooting, determine removability,

0:35:00.080 --> 0:35:04.279
<v Speaker 3>to encounters to detention and detention to removal, as well

0:35:04.280 --> 0:35:08.160
<v Speaker 3>as criminal encounters. So these are like exams that would

0:35:08.200 --> 0:35:11.040
<v Speaker 3>test the knowledge of the potential would be ice agent

0:35:11.120 --> 0:35:12.160
<v Speaker 3>on these issues.

0:35:12.239 --> 0:35:13.680
<v Speaker 2>Right, So you so you just don't have to know

0:35:13.719 --> 0:35:16.320
<v Speaker 2>that anymore? Yeah, well you can you do an open

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:17.000
<v Speaker 2>book test.

0:35:17.080 --> 0:35:21.440
<v Speaker 14>Well, it's open book multiple choice, it is now.

0:35:22.920 --> 0:35:23.080
<v Speaker 2>Yea.

0:35:24.160 --> 0:35:26.440
<v Speaker 3>In some cases there isn't a greaded practical exam at all.

0:35:26.640 --> 0:35:27.960
<v Speaker 3>It's just passed fail.

0:35:28.760 --> 0:35:31.120
<v Speaker 2>An open book multiple.

0:35:30.760 --> 0:35:35.359
<v Speaker 3>Choice, Yeah, to determine your understanding of the law, right

0:35:35.640 --> 0:35:39.600
<v Speaker 3>or becoming a testing Yeah, I know, right, I guess

0:35:39.600 --> 0:35:42.279
<v Speaker 3>it's a caveat all of this. By saying like the

0:35:42.360 --> 0:35:45.520
<v Speaker 3>people who killed Alex Pretty and Rennie Good were exceptionally

0:35:45.560 --> 0:35:47.720
<v Speaker 3>well trained, they had been trained for a long time,

0:35:48.320 --> 0:35:51.640
<v Speaker 3>they had been in DHS for years and didn't stop

0:35:51.680 --> 0:35:53.760
<v Speaker 3>the murdering American citizens industry, I'm.

0:35:53.640 --> 0:35:54.759
<v Speaker 2>Not saying that.

0:35:54.960 --> 0:35:59.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I'm not Joe bidening this, but this is still notable.

0:36:00.080 --> 0:36:03.200
<v Speaker 2>There is also the wholesale removal.

0:36:02.719 --> 0:36:05.320
<v Speaker 3>Of some classes, because these classes that have been removed

0:36:05.320 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 3>include the use of force simulation training that's like a

0:36:08.480 --> 0:36:10.120
<v Speaker 3>late they watch a video and they have like a

0:36:10.200 --> 0:36:13.640
<v Speaker 3>laser pistol. That's how they slate use of force there. Well,

0:36:13.719 --> 0:36:16.480
<v Speaker 3>they used to, I guess. Also the training on the

0:36:16.560 --> 0:36:19.920
<v Speaker 3>legal structure of the United States government, ERRO authority, and

0:36:20.120 --> 0:36:22.840
<v Speaker 3>use of force. It also shows a huge reduction in

0:36:22.880 --> 0:36:26.920
<v Speaker 3>the overall training, which we also heard from Ryan Schwank

0:36:27.000 --> 0:36:29.000
<v Speaker 3>will get to in a minute, but he was a

0:36:29.040 --> 0:36:32.760
<v Speaker 3>former lawyer with ICE who testified to Congress. Toddlines previously

0:36:32.760 --> 0:36:36.040
<v Speaker 3>told Congress at the FLDC, that's a federal law enforcement

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:40.680
<v Speaker 3>training centers in Georgia had been moving from five eight

0:36:40.760 --> 0:36:44.480
<v Speaker 3>hour days to six twelve hour days. So although the

0:36:44.600 --> 0:36:47.160
<v Speaker 3>number of training days for ICE agents have been cut,

0:36:47.200 --> 0:36:50.200
<v Speaker 3>the number of training hours was the same. They was

0:36:50.280 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 3>going to get through with their grind set, I guess,

0:36:52.760 --> 0:36:57.440
<v Speaker 3>but the whistleblower documents show that they're still appearing to

0:36:57.480 --> 0:37:00.160
<v Speaker 3>do eight hour days. Like the number of days have

0:37:00.200 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 3>been cutting out, the number of hours of training in

0:37:02.120 --> 0:37:05.960
<v Speaker 3>each day has remained the same. There are some longer days,

0:37:06.040 --> 0:37:08.239
<v Speaker 3>but mostly those are people who have to make up

0:37:08.239 --> 0:37:11.840
<v Speaker 3>the pt test or like some nights seem to go

0:37:11.960 --> 0:37:14.600
<v Speaker 3>later with practical stuff like first aid and shooting, but

0:37:15.280 --> 0:37:18.400
<v Speaker 3>the bulk of the days continued to be eight hours.

0:37:18.840 --> 0:37:24.480
<v Speaker 3>There are now forty two total days versus seventy five before.

0:37:25.000 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 3>Some of this was already public actually in certain forums

0:37:28.960 --> 0:37:31.440
<v Speaker 3>and subreddits. Era Officer has been posting about like the

0:37:32.600 --> 0:37:36.839
<v Speaker 3>faster training course for a while. The documents show a

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:40.720
<v Speaker 3>target of four thousand and seven new officers in fiscal

0:37:40.800 --> 0:37:43.799
<v Speaker 3>year twenty twenty six. They would aim to have commissioned

0:37:43.880 --> 0:37:46.600
<v Speaker 3>four thousand new ICE officers by the end of September.

0:37:47.280 --> 0:37:51.160
<v Speaker 3>We also heard from Ryan Schwank who testified to Congress,

0:37:51.360 --> 0:37:53.399
<v Speaker 3>and they published some excerpts in this testimony which I'm

0:37:53.440 --> 0:37:56.400
<v Speaker 3>just going to include here. A couple of quotations quote,

0:37:56.480 --> 0:37:58.800
<v Speaker 3>I am duty bound to tell you the ICE Basic

0:37:58.880 --> 0:38:03.280
<v Speaker 3>Immigration Enforcement Training program is now deficient, defective, and broken.

0:38:03.400 --> 0:38:06.400
<v Speaker 3>And another quote here Without reform, I will graduate thousands

0:38:06.400 --> 0:38:09.080
<v Speaker 3>of new officers who do not know their constitutional duty

0:38:09.360 --> 0:38:11.680
<v Speaker 3>and do not know the limits of their authority, and

0:38:11.760 --> 0:38:15.680
<v Speaker 3>do not have the training to recognize an unlawful order. Finally,

0:38:16.120 --> 0:38:18.839
<v Speaker 3>is is lying to Congress and the American people about

0:38:18.840 --> 0:38:20.920
<v Speaker 3>the steps it is taking to ensure its ten thousand

0:38:21.000 --> 0:38:24.320
<v Speaker 3>new officers faithfully uphold the Constitution and perform their jobs.

0:38:25.000 --> 0:38:29.080
<v Speaker 3>Schwank was hired in twenty twenty one as a Assistant

0:38:29.160 --> 0:38:33.040
<v Speaker 3>Chief Counsel for the ICE Office Principal Legal Advisor. He

0:38:33.080 --> 0:38:35.320
<v Speaker 3>also serves as a resident attorney at Dilly, which is

0:38:35.360 --> 0:38:38.360
<v Speaker 3>a detention center for families and children, and at some

0:38:38.400 --> 0:38:41.080
<v Speaker 3>point in this past he was a private practice immigration attorney.

0:38:41.360 --> 0:38:45.640
<v Speaker 3>What good lord, this is not like a particularly woke guy,

0:38:45.960 --> 0:38:48.239
<v Speaker 3>I would say, And like, none of this is to

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:50.880
<v Speaker 3>suggest that it would be okay for there to be

0:38:51.160 --> 0:38:53.239
<v Speaker 3>thousands more ICE officers if they were better trained. It

0:38:53.280 --> 0:38:57.360
<v Speaker 3>still wouldn't. But it does show that the state is

0:38:57.400 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 3>building a force of people who don't know an unlawful

0:39:00.760 --> 0:39:03.799
<v Speaker 3>order is and what their rights are and what their

0:39:03.840 --> 0:39:07.160
<v Speaker 3>obligations are, and what the rights of the people who they.

0:39:07.040 --> 0:39:08.719
<v Speaker 2>Are detaining are.

0:39:09.360 --> 0:39:12.080
<v Speaker 3>And talking about the rights of people who are being detained,

0:39:12.320 --> 0:39:14.359
<v Speaker 3>I want to talk about a development in the case

0:39:14.480 --> 0:39:18.839
<v Speaker 3>was the unaccompanied Guatemalan children. People remember that over Labor Day,

0:39:19.239 --> 0:39:23.319
<v Speaker 3>the Trump administration tried to deport these children, and they

0:39:23.360 --> 0:39:26.480
<v Speaker 3>tried a number of like credit lawyer shit like like

0:39:26.600 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 3>just really like silly, like I don't know did did

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:32.560
<v Speaker 3>these legal arguments, which which was kind of supurious to

0:39:32.600 --> 0:39:34.719
<v Speaker 3>get away with it, And they were prevented by a

0:39:34.760 --> 0:39:38.680
<v Speaker 3>restraining order, right if you remember the judge Sparkle Sunan

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:41.960
<v Speaker 3>who was the first judge who issued the restraining order.

0:39:42.000 --> 0:39:43.680
<v Speaker 3>But they did so in the middle of the night

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 3>over Labor Day weekend and sent one of their attorneys

0:39:46.560 --> 0:39:48.319
<v Speaker 3>to the airport to prevent them.

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:51.400
<v Speaker 2>Christ. Yeah, truly like last minute stuff.

0:39:52.040 --> 0:39:56.880
<v Speaker 3>The class for that tro and the injunction was quote

0:39:57.000 --> 0:40:00.359
<v Speaker 3>children from Guatemala who are or will be in the

0:40:00.360 --> 0:40:04.480
<v Speaker 3>custody of defendants. They all will be lead to the

0:40:04.520 --> 0:40:05.640
<v Speaker 3>next part of our story.

0:40:05.719 --> 0:40:05.879
<v Speaker 11>Right.

0:40:05.960 --> 0:40:08.880
<v Speaker 3>A lawsuit is now alleging that CBP is flouting the

0:40:08.920 --> 0:40:13.240
<v Speaker 3>injunction by returning children when they first enter custody before

0:40:13.280 --> 0:40:16.200
<v Speaker 3>they're sent to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. So they

0:40:16.360 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 3>kind of tried to previously make this argument that like

0:40:19.360 --> 0:40:21.520
<v Speaker 3>they were with oh, they weren't with ICE, so they

0:40:21.520 --> 0:40:23.920
<v Speaker 3>went with DHS there with o R. Right, So the

0:40:23.960 --> 0:40:27.200
<v Speaker 3>Office of Refugee Resettlement is a distinct entity, so they'd

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:30.399
<v Speaker 3>sort of tried this like, oh, there's nothing we can

0:40:30.440 --> 0:40:34.000
<v Speaker 3>do to stop the Office of Refugee Resettlement, and that

0:40:34.040 --> 0:40:37.600
<v Speaker 3>had not worked right. The suit also alleges that quote,

0:40:37.600 --> 0:40:41.200
<v Speaker 3>defendants are using misinformation, coercion, threats, and fear to persuade

0:40:41.239 --> 0:40:44.960
<v Speaker 3>children to relinquish their rights and sign paperwork portally accepting

0:40:45.280 --> 0:40:50.920
<v Speaker 3>a form of expedited voluntary return. This is common across DHS.

0:40:51.000 --> 0:40:54.560
<v Speaker 3>Rightly in my reporting on Dilly, for instance, Primrose told

0:40:54.600 --> 0:40:59.120
<v Speaker 3>me that the forms for voluntary repatriation are present like

0:40:59.239 --> 0:41:00.839
<v Speaker 3>all day and all that in their room. Like any

0:41:00.840 --> 0:41:03.080
<v Speaker 3>time it gets too much for you, anytime they're too hungry,

0:41:03.120 --> 0:41:07.040
<v Speaker 3>too tired, to stressed, too scared, you can sign that

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.239
<v Speaker 3>formula on a plane and it's all over for You're

0:41:10.239 --> 0:41:13.279
<v Speaker 3>going back to wherever you fled from. Including the case

0:41:13.360 --> 0:41:15.719
<v Speaker 3>is a claim by an attorney at the National Immigrant

0:41:15.920 --> 0:41:18.920
<v Speaker 3>Justice Center that unaccompanied children have been given a document

0:41:19.040 --> 0:41:22.880
<v Speaker 3>that quote completely misstates, or at least dramatically misrepresents the

0:41:22.880 --> 0:41:26.560
<v Speaker 3>immigration laws that apply to unaccompanied immigrant children, and it

0:41:26.600 --> 0:41:31.880
<v Speaker 3>conveys to vulnerable children threats that are quote in clear

0:41:31.920 --> 0:41:35.880
<v Speaker 3>contravention of the entire system implemented to protect and promote

0:41:35.960 --> 0:41:39.640
<v Speaker 3>the safety and best interest of unaccompanied immigrant children. This

0:41:39.920 --> 0:41:42.880
<v Speaker 3>went to the Trafficking Victims Protection re Authorization Act of

0:41:42.920 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 3>two thousand and eight. So what this is suggesting is

0:41:46.080 --> 0:41:50.160
<v Speaker 3>that these young people are being provided with essentially it's

0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.719
<v Speaker 3>not legal advice, but it's misconstruing the rights that they

0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:56.279
<v Speaker 3>have to be protected, right, and so that they are

0:41:56.360 --> 0:42:00.560
<v Speaker 3>not being advised properly of the protections that they have

0:42:00.920 --> 0:42:03.480
<v Speaker 3>under law. I'm going to keep an eye on this

0:42:03.560 --> 0:42:06.800
<v Speaker 3>one because I think I don't love the phrase unaccompanied

0:42:06.840 --> 0:42:08.480
<v Speaker 3>mine is when we talk about this because these children

0:42:08.480 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 3>after and accompanied, there are people who are with them,

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:12.759
<v Speaker 3>who care for them on their journey here. Right, I've

0:42:12.760 --> 0:42:15.360
<v Speaker 3>seen this firsthand. It just means that their immediate family

0:42:15.680 --> 0:42:18.680
<v Speaker 3>are not with them. But like we saw in the

0:42:18.680 --> 0:42:20.239
<v Speaker 3>State of the Union last night, right, when the Trump

0:42:20.239 --> 0:42:23.520
<v Speaker 3>administration talks about migrants, it wants to talk about people

0:42:23.600 --> 0:42:28.160
<v Speaker 3>who kill children. Right, that is the thing that they

0:42:28.320 --> 0:42:30.240
<v Speaker 3>or hurt children. That it's the thing that they trusted

0:42:30.280 --> 0:42:32.680
<v Speaker 3>out a couple of times last night. It is not

0:42:32.719 --> 0:42:35.040
<v Speaker 3>the migrants who are hurting children in this instance, it

0:42:35.120 --> 0:42:38.399
<v Speaker 3>is the government. These children who came here on their

0:42:38.440 --> 0:42:42.239
<v Speaker 3>own to be safe with very few options, right, and

0:42:43.120 --> 0:42:45.000
<v Speaker 3>either their parents couldn't look after them while their parents

0:42:45.000 --> 0:42:48.719
<v Speaker 3>aren't around anymore. There is not a more sympathetic case, right,

0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.319
<v Speaker 3>There's not a clear example of people we should be

0:42:51.360 --> 0:42:53.719
<v Speaker 3>looking after as a state or a community or a

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.040
<v Speaker 3>nation or whatever. And the fact that they're trying to

0:42:57.080 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 3>turn these children around and boot them back to the

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:03.319
<v Speaker 3>dangerous situation came from is really morally appalling. Well, keep

0:43:03.320 --> 0:43:05.160
<v Speaker 3>reportting on it because I think it is like a

0:43:05.280 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 3>very important thing to shed more light on.

0:43:07.680 --> 0:43:13.160
<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, it's horrifying, Yeah, just on a basic moral level,

0:43:13.320 --> 0:43:17.960
<v Speaker 2>like being the person whose job it is and the

0:43:18.120 --> 0:43:21.280
<v Speaker 2>apparently doing this job of trying to construct fake legal

0:43:21.360 --> 0:43:26.799
<v Speaker 2>arguments so you can fucking deport children, Like what the fuck? Yeah,

0:43:27.200 --> 0:43:29.000
<v Speaker 2>it's just so evil.

0:43:29.600 --> 0:43:33.719
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it's it's horrible, like they you know, I've spent

0:43:33.800 --> 0:43:35.319
<v Speaker 3>a lot of time with migrants. I spent a lot

0:43:35.320 --> 0:43:38.400
<v Speaker 3>of time with migrants with children. I've known plenty of

0:43:38.520 --> 0:43:42.359
<v Speaker 3>children who are traveling without their parents. Yeah, and the

0:43:42.360 --> 0:43:45.960
<v Speaker 3>things that they go through just to get here are horrific,

0:43:46.280 --> 0:43:48.640
<v Speaker 3>and the things that they're going away from are probably worse.

0:43:48.719 --> 0:43:52.000
<v Speaker 3>And to think that those kids could be booted back

0:43:52.040 --> 0:43:54.359
<v Speaker 3>to the places that they fled within seventy two hours

0:43:54.400 --> 0:43:58.640
<v Speaker 3>of arrival before they're transferred to r right after months

0:43:58.680 --> 0:44:04.080
<v Speaker 3>potentially years. Is Yeah, it's genuinely appalling to me. Like

0:44:04.200 --> 0:44:08.360
<v Speaker 3>few of these things shocked me, but they still disgusted me.

0:44:08.760 --> 0:44:11.160
<v Speaker 3>And I really hope that this is something that will

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:14.719
<v Speaker 3>continue to get coverage, not just here but elsewhere, because like,

0:44:15.440 --> 0:44:20.640
<v Speaker 3>these are the most egregious wrongs that the immigration system does.

0:44:21.480 --> 0:44:24.239
<v Speaker 1>Let's take a quick break and the meal will be

0:44:24.280 --> 0:44:26.279
<v Speaker 1>back with some terror park.

0:44:38.400 --> 0:44:38.920
<v Speaker 2>Oh what's that?

0:44:39.800 --> 0:44:39.960
<v Speaker 13>Oh?

0:44:40.080 --> 0:44:40.319
<v Speaker 2>Is it?

0:44:40.360 --> 0:44:40.520
<v Speaker 1>Is it?

0:44:40.600 --> 0:44:43.719
<v Speaker 3>The the dulcet tones of someone who is a Joe's

0:44:43.760 --> 0:44:45.759
<v Speaker 3>Dramma singing the worst clash song?

0:44:50.760 --> 0:44:58.879
<v Speaker 10>Jazz right jazz bar sorry, jazz.

0:45:00.160 --> 0:45:00.799
<v Speaker 12>Jazz bock.

0:45:02.920 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 4>I love how consistent you I read that change is

0:45:05.760 --> 0:45:06.640
<v Speaker 4>the worst class song.

0:45:06.760 --> 0:45:07.879
<v Speaker 2>It really pass me off.

0:45:08.320 --> 0:45:11.120
<v Speaker 3>Like people they think, oh, the clash and then they go, no,

0:45:11.560 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 3>the song that they played while they were fucking bombing

0:45:14.040 --> 0:45:17.040
<v Speaker 3>Iraq in nineteen ninety one that made Joyce Drama cry

0:45:17.080 --> 0:45:20.160
<v Speaker 3>and what she hadn't written it? Yeah, uphold listen to

0:45:20.160 --> 0:45:21.440
<v Speaker 3>other clash songs please?

0:45:21.719 --> 0:45:28.800
<v Speaker 2>Oh God, speaking of clashes, Wow, we have finally learned

0:45:29.280 --> 0:45:33.520
<v Speaker 2>the results of the log awaited Supreme Court case about

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.200
<v Speaker 2>specifically the tariffs that were implemented through the International Emergency

0:45:38.239 --> 0:45:42.719
<v Speaker 2>Economic Powers Act. Those have been struck down. So this

0:45:42.760 --> 0:45:46.080
<v Speaker 2>is the retaliatory tariffs, This is the Liberation Day stuff,

0:45:46.640 --> 0:45:52.279
<v Speaker 2>the ones on Canada and Mexico. Some of the tariffs

0:45:52.360 --> 0:45:54.200
<v Speaker 2>are still in a fact. We will get to that

0:45:54.280 --> 0:45:56.920
<v Speaker 2>in a second, like for example, the illudinum and steel ones,

0:45:56.960 --> 0:46:00.680
<v Speaker 2>et cetera, et cetera, are still in effect. I'm going

0:46:00.719 --> 0:46:03.279
<v Speaker 2>to be doing a full episode about this case and

0:46:03.680 --> 0:46:06.600
<v Speaker 2>about what's going on with tariff policy now, because it's

0:46:07.160 --> 0:46:12.000
<v Speaker 2>very convoluted and weird. But what's important for our purposes

0:46:12.120 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 2>here is that in a lot of ways, this is

0:46:15.160 --> 0:46:19.600
<v Speaker 2>a very narrow ruling in that it is just specifically

0:46:19.760 --> 0:46:25.440
<v Speaker 2>about this one act IEPA, and what it specifically, very

0:46:25.520 --> 0:46:29.520
<v Speaker 2>narrowly says is that IEEPA does not give Trump the

0:46:29.560 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>authority to do tariffs. What he doesn't say anything about

0:46:33.920 --> 0:46:36.719
<v Speaker 2>is his ability to use other acts. And we're going

0:46:36.760 --> 0:46:39.440
<v Speaker 2>to talk about that in a second. Okay to do tariffs.

0:46:39.480 --> 0:46:41.759
<v Speaker 2>And it also doesn't say anything and I think this

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:46.080
<v Speaker 2>is actually very important about the completely unhinged state of

0:46:46.120 --> 0:46:48.959
<v Speaker 2>emergencies that he's been declaring in order to be able

0:46:48.960 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 2>to use IEPA and that's also going to be very

0:46:54.400 --> 0:46:58.359
<v Speaker 2>important in a little bit, because there's no ruling on that,

0:46:59.280 --> 0:47:02.719
<v Speaker 2>he's probably to be able to do some of this

0:47:02.760 --> 0:47:06.360
<v Speaker 2>stuff with other tariffs. So basically, immediately after this ruling,

0:47:06.400 --> 0:47:11.320
<v Speaker 2>Trump imposed a ten percent tariff across the board using

0:47:11.440 --> 0:47:13.800
<v Speaker 2>Section one twenty two of the Trade Act in nineteen

0:47:13.840 --> 0:47:16.880
<v Speaker 2>seventy four, he says, So he implements it at ten percent,

0:47:17.000 --> 0:47:18.400
<v Speaker 2>and then the next day he says it's going to

0:47:18.400 --> 0:47:21.319
<v Speaker 2>be fifteen percent. The current rate as of data of

0:47:21.360 --> 0:47:24.319
<v Speaker 2>recording on Wednesday, the one that's actually being assessed at

0:47:24.320 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 2>customs is ten percent. Because he hasn't signed executive order

0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:29.840
<v Speaker 2>to actually lift the fifteen percent. It's all very weird.

0:47:30.320 --> 0:47:34.919
<v Speaker 2>It's all very sort of extremely chaotic. So right now

0:47:35.000 --> 0:47:38.640
<v Speaker 2>the fifteen percent hasn't gone through. But I want to

0:47:38.719 --> 0:47:42.319
<v Speaker 2>talk about this Section one twenty two thing that he's

0:47:42.400 --> 0:47:48.520
<v Speaker 2>using right now, because this is a significantly less broad

0:47:48.680 --> 0:47:53.200
<v Speaker 2>authority than the authority he was claiming before. So okay,

0:47:53.200 --> 0:47:55.200
<v Speaker 2>first off, it's worth noting that Section one twenty two

0:47:55.200 --> 0:47:59.480
<v Speaker 2>has literally never been used to enforce Harris before for

0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:01.960
<v Speaker 2>reasons i'll get into in a second. Because it's very weird,

0:48:02.280 --> 0:48:04.640
<v Speaker 2>and it's also going to be very, very difficult to

0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:08.240
<v Speaker 2>do the kind of Calvin Ball tariff policy Trump wasn't implementing,

0:48:08.320 --> 0:48:10.600
<v Speaker 2>where he just sort of says a thing in a

0:48:10.640 --> 0:48:14.400
<v Speaker 2>tariff appears. So the thing about one twenty two is

0:48:14.400 --> 0:48:17.000
<v Speaker 2>that instead of the thing that Trump was doing before,

0:48:17.400 --> 0:48:20.600
<v Speaker 2>where he was just tweeting out a tariff rate for

0:48:20.680 --> 0:48:23.360
<v Speaker 2>an individual country because he was mad at them, section

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:25.960
<v Speaker 2>one twenty two it only allows you to set a

0:48:26.000 --> 0:48:28.759
<v Speaker 2>flat tariff rate for every country in the world, and

0:48:28.880 --> 0:48:32.560
<v Speaker 2>the maximum tariff rate is capped at fifteen percent. The

0:48:32.600 --> 0:48:34.719
<v Speaker 2>other thing that's notable about this is that Section one

0:48:34.719 --> 0:48:39.360
<v Speaker 2>twenty two tariffs also need to be approved by Congress

0:48:39.400 --> 0:48:42.040
<v Speaker 2>after one hundred and fifty days, at least in theory.

0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:47.000
<v Speaker 2>The Cato Institute interestingly is arguing that Trump theoretically could

0:48:47.120 --> 0:48:49.160
<v Speaker 2>just extend it for another one hundred and fifty days

0:48:49.200 --> 0:48:52.279
<v Speaker 2>after the first one. But this this would be a

0:48:52.360 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 2>huge mess because there's no way he can win a

0:48:54.800 --> 0:48:58.000
<v Speaker 2>terrorf vote in Congress. There's just absolutely no way. Now.

0:48:58.360 --> 0:49:02.200
<v Speaker 2>The other important aspect of this that's very weird that

0:49:02.360 --> 0:49:04.279
<v Speaker 2>I think is going to become a very large sort

0:49:04.280 --> 0:49:06.640
<v Speaker 2>of point of discussion in the coming weeks is that

0:49:07.680 --> 0:49:11.319
<v Speaker 2>section one twenty two. So I've read this section. It

0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:15.320
<v Speaker 2>says specifically, quote it can only be used to levy

0:49:15.360 --> 0:49:21.040
<v Speaker 2>tariff's quote whenever fundamental international payment problems require special import

0:49:21.040 --> 0:49:25.000
<v Speaker 2>measures to restrict imports one to deal with large and

0:49:25.120 --> 0:49:31.160
<v Speaker 2>serious United States balance of payment deficits. Now that's vague.

0:49:31.440 --> 0:49:33.960
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, well, but here's the thing though. Here's the thing.

0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:36.719
<v Speaker 2>So I tried to write a version of this where

0:49:36.719 --> 0:49:38.520
<v Speaker 2>I tried to explain ballant of payments and what a

0:49:38.520 --> 0:49:41.120
<v Speaker 2>balanced payment deficit is. I'm going to do that in

0:49:41.160 --> 0:49:45.560
<v Speaker 2>the other episode. It's too convoluted. But what's really important

0:49:45.600 --> 0:49:48.080
<v Speaker 2>about this is that Trump has been complaining about trade deficits,

0:49:48.120 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>and the state of emergency is over trade deficit. A

0:49:50.040 --> 0:49:53.200
<v Speaker 2>trade deficit is not a balance of payment deficit. Balance

0:49:53.239 --> 0:49:55.680
<v Speaker 2>of payments is an accounting identity that has to do

0:49:55.800 --> 0:49:59.960
<v Speaker 2>with like it's literally like the sum of all exchange

0:50:00.200 --> 0:50:02.840
<v Speaker 2>between everyone in the US and everyone outside of the US.

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:07.319
<v Speaker 2>So you, by definition, can't have a deficit in it

0:50:07.400 --> 0:50:11.160
<v Speaker 2>because it's the accounting identity attracks both sides, right, So

0:50:11.239 --> 0:50:12.920
<v Speaker 2>if someone in the US is sending money to someone,

0:50:13.120 --> 0:50:15.680
<v Speaker 2>it tracks both the fact that the used person set

0:50:15.719 --> 0:50:17.759
<v Speaker 2>the money and the fact that the other person got

0:50:17.800 --> 0:50:19.839
<v Speaker 2>the money, So you can't have a deficit because it's

0:50:19.840 --> 0:50:23.440
<v Speaker 2>always one to one because it's tracking both. Right, So you're.

0:50:23.280 --> 0:50:25.080
<v Speaker 1>Saying the limit does not exist.

0:50:25.800 --> 0:50:29.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's unhinge. And like you know, and specifically for

0:50:29.160 --> 0:50:32.480
<v Speaker 2>the US, it is. It is possible to get into

0:50:32.520 --> 0:50:36.680
<v Speaker 2>trouble with ballance of payments if you can't just print

0:50:36.920 --> 0:50:39.760
<v Speaker 2>your currency, like if your currency is on the gold Standard,

0:50:40.239 --> 0:50:43.800
<v Speaker 2>you couldn't theory get in trouble here. Now, a notable

0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:45.319
<v Speaker 2>thing about the United States is that we are not

0:50:45.360 --> 0:50:49.560
<v Speaker 2>on the gold Standard, so we literally, even if you

0:50:49.719 --> 0:50:52.080
<v Speaker 2>use definitions of ballants of payment where you could theoretically

0:50:52.120 --> 0:50:55.120
<v Speaker 2>have one of these problems, the US cannot have a

0:50:55.120 --> 0:50:59.000
<v Speaker 2>balance of payments crisis. It cannot. It definitionally cannot have

0:50:59.080 --> 0:51:02.279
<v Speaker 2>one of these, right. And the thing about this right is,

0:51:02.440 --> 0:51:04.200
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna hear a lot of people talking about how

0:51:04.200 --> 0:51:06.640
<v Speaker 2>the US is a balance of payments crisis. If the

0:51:06.760 --> 0:51:09.880
<v Speaker 2>US was having an actual serious balance of payments deficit

0:51:10.200 --> 0:51:13.000
<v Speaker 2>right now, there would be riots in the streets. And

0:51:13.160 --> 0:51:16.320
<v Speaker 2>that's not an exaggeration. This is normally what happens. Normally,

0:51:16.320 --> 0:51:19.279
<v Speaker 2>balance of payments crises are a country owes a bunch

0:51:19.280 --> 0:51:21.480
<v Speaker 2>of money and they straight up do not have enough

0:51:21.560 --> 0:51:25.400
<v Speaker 2>US dollars to pay that off. And when that happens,

0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.960
<v Speaker 2>things happen, like suddenly there's like five hundred person lines

0:51:29.000 --> 0:51:31.239
<v Speaker 2>outside of every gas station because there's not enough money

0:51:31.280 --> 0:51:34.560
<v Speaker 2>to import gas, right, like you can't import food. It's like,

0:51:34.560 --> 0:51:37.799
<v Speaker 2>like that is what happens when there's balance of payments crises. Right,

0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.880
<v Speaker 2>this is like Sri Lanka in twenty twenty four, and

0:51:39.960 --> 0:51:41.440
<v Speaker 2>like that's the kind of thing where you get a

0:51:41.440 --> 0:51:43.680
<v Speaker 2>balance of payments crisis and people burned down the presidential

0:51:43.719 --> 0:51:46.520
<v Speaker 2>mansion like we don't have one. Yea, this is not happening.

0:51:46.880 --> 0:51:49.319
<v Speaker 2>So there's already becoming an attempt to be like, oh,

0:51:49.360 --> 0:51:51.800
<v Speaker 2>the US is a balance of payments deficit, there's a crisis.

0:51:51.800 --> 0:51:54.560
<v Speaker 2>No no, no, no, no, no nonsense. Gibberius, You're gonna hear this

0:51:54.600 --> 0:51:58.400
<v Speaker 2>a lot. It's complete nonsense. And it's one of the

0:51:58.440 --> 0:52:00.080
<v Speaker 2>things that makes me look at this and go, Okay,

0:52:00.120 --> 0:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>this is the immediate one that he picks. But like,

0:52:01.760 --> 0:52:03.799
<v Speaker 2>this is not going to survive in court because the

0:52:03.840 --> 0:52:08.400
<v Speaker 2>specific line here where it says fundamental international payment problems,

0:52:08.400 --> 0:52:10.480
<v Speaker 2>like we don't have fundamentally international payment problems, like we

0:52:10.840 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>paid all of this gets paid every years. It's funny

0:52:14.640 --> 0:52:17.520
<v Speaker 2>in the Executive Order it says the US sometimes has

0:52:17.640 --> 0:52:20.279
<v Speaker 2>international payment problems, and no it doesn't. It has never

0:52:20.320 --> 0:52:24.720
<v Speaker 2>had international payment problems like on any kind of real scale.

0:52:25.080 --> 0:52:27.440
<v Speaker 2>The closest thing you can do is look back at

0:52:27.480 --> 0:52:30.120
<v Speaker 2>periods when the US was again on the gold standards,

0:52:30.120 --> 0:52:34.320
<v Speaker 2>and even then we were fined like it's it's completely gibberish.

0:52:34.360 --> 0:52:36.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm pissed about this. I'm annoyed that I have to

0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:41.600
<v Speaker 2>go back to balance of payment stuff this. So this

0:52:41.719 --> 0:52:43.880
<v Speaker 2>is probably not going to hold up when the inevitable

0:52:43.960 --> 0:52:48.520
<v Speaker 2>next lawsuit goes under. However, come up. There are a

0:52:48.600 --> 0:52:51.480
<v Speaker 2>couple of other trade authorities that he can use that

0:52:51.760 --> 0:52:54.040
<v Speaker 2>they've been talking about using, and some of them have

0:52:54.120 --> 0:52:56.600
<v Speaker 2>been used already. So broadly, we've been talking about like

0:52:56.640 --> 0:52:58.480
<v Speaker 2>two kinds of tariffs on this show. We've been talking

0:52:58.480 --> 0:53:00.560
<v Speaker 2>about the tariffs that are on a specific country, and

0:53:00.800 --> 0:53:03.400
<v Speaker 2>those are the ones that are basically gone. We'll get

0:53:03.440 --> 0:53:05.719
<v Speaker 2>to the one exception to that in a second. And

0:53:05.760 --> 0:53:08.000
<v Speaker 2>then there's been the ones that are on goods. So

0:53:08.040 --> 0:53:09.400
<v Speaker 2>if you remember, like THO, there was a there was

0:53:09.400 --> 0:53:14.680
<v Speaker 2>a tariff recently on like vanity cabinets like stuff like yeah, yeah,

0:53:14.760 --> 0:53:18.080
<v Speaker 2>I do remember that one. Yeah, really weird niche thing.

0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:21.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh gamps, wait wait wait till I talk about what

0:53:21.080 --> 0:53:26.200
<v Speaker 2>the legal authority of tariffs on kitchen cabinets was. There's

0:53:26.239 --> 0:53:31.080
<v Speaker 2>a special constitutional exemption for those. It's so bad. Okay,

0:53:31.200 --> 0:53:33.879
<v Speaker 2>So so this this is this is the section two

0:53:33.920 --> 0:53:37.480
<v Speaker 2>thirty two of the Trade Act, Nextivity four. These are

0:53:37.480 --> 0:53:39.839
<v Speaker 2>these specific tariffs and these ones are supposed to be

0:53:40.600 --> 0:53:44.840
<v Speaker 2>tariffs on goods in response to threats to national security.

0:53:45.080 --> 0:53:47.960
<v Speaker 2>So it's yeah, hang on, join the DUTs for me.

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:53.680
<v Speaker 2>The price of impointed cabinets are being too low.

0:53:55.600 --> 0:53:58.280
<v Speaker 3>Threat to national security.

0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.920
<v Speaker 2>It's funny because okay, this is the the legal experts

0:54:01.000 --> 0:54:05.800
<v Speaker 2>think actually can potentially survive challenges because it's national security.

0:54:05.800 --> 0:54:08.560
<v Speaker 2>But it's like, okay, like I get our Supreme Court.

0:54:08.640 --> 0:54:10.400
<v Speaker 2>The fact that this ruling was six to three is

0:54:10.400 --> 0:54:13.799
<v Speaker 2>frankly ridiculous, given that again, Trump was pretending he had

0:54:13.840 --> 0:54:16.600
<v Speaker 2>legal authority to issue tariffs in a bill that literally

0:54:16.640 --> 0:54:18.480
<v Speaker 2>never says the word tariff and had never been used

0:54:18.520 --> 0:54:21.040
<v Speaker 2>to raise a tariff before. Okay, So like Supreme Court

0:54:21.080 --> 0:54:23.560
<v Speaker 2>was like, okay, well that's nonsense. And even I, who

0:54:23.600 --> 0:54:26.000
<v Speaker 2>was extremely cynical about the Supreme Court, do not think

0:54:26.040 --> 0:54:29.120
<v Speaker 2>that you can compellingly argue in front of a court.

0:54:29.239 --> 0:54:30.960
<v Speaker 2>And this probably won't even go to the Supreme Court

0:54:31.160 --> 0:54:33.960
<v Speaker 2>like that you can compellingly argue that is it is

0:54:34.000 --> 0:54:36.120
<v Speaker 2>part of the national security interest of the United States

0:54:36.400 --> 0:54:44.919
<v Speaker 2>that the American cabinet makers mildly out compete foreign cabinet. Wow. Yeah,

0:54:44.920 --> 0:54:45.719
<v Speaker 2>that's a weird one.

0:54:45.800 --> 0:54:49.520
<v Speaker 3>I mean, yeah, national security and like terrorism, Joe, the

0:54:49.560 --> 0:54:52.040
<v Speaker 3>magic words when it comes to the Constitution.

0:54:53.080 --> 0:54:57.880
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but in this case, okay, like I really seriously

0:54:57.920 --> 0:54:59.759
<v Speaker 2>with a stream it's gonna walk up there.

0:55:00.640 --> 0:55:07.520
<v Speaker 14>National security, right, yeah, they've done some wild stuff in

0:55:07.560 --> 0:55:07.919
<v Speaker 14>the court.

0:55:08.120 --> 0:55:09.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:55:09.640 --> 0:55:12.160
<v Speaker 3>It was interesting to what, like you say, you were saying,

0:55:12.200 --> 0:55:14.400
<v Speaker 3>like how much he'll get past the court. It was

0:55:14.520 --> 0:55:16.879
<v Speaker 3>interesting to watch the Supreme Court justices in the State

0:55:16.880 --> 0:55:21.239
<v Speaker 3>of the Union just like, oh yeah, just grimacing through it.

0:55:21.360 --> 0:55:24.239
<v Speaker 2>Yep, yep, he was so mad at them.

0:55:24.280 --> 0:55:27.719
<v Speaker 4>They're usually pretty stoic, but there was a serious grimace

0:55:27.800 --> 0:55:28.640
<v Speaker 4>action going.

0:55:29.040 --> 0:55:29.279
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:55:29.880 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 14>Yeah.

0:55:30.680 --> 0:55:35.080
<v Speaker 3>There was no attempt to hide that particular face, right, yeah.

0:55:35.160 --> 0:55:38.240
<v Speaker 4>I don't know if we've ever had a sitting president,

0:55:38.320 --> 0:55:41.800
<v Speaker 4>like school the Supreme Court in a state of the Union.

0:55:41.840 --> 0:55:43.040
<v Speaker 1>In that way, I.

0:55:42.920 --> 0:55:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Think maybe it is possible IFTR did it.

0:55:47.160 --> 0:55:49.160
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, I was gonna say, I can see the FTR

0:55:49.280 --> 0:55:51.240
<v Speaker 14>did try to pack the court at what point.

0:55:51.880 --> 0:55:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, that was at least funnier.

0:55:55.719 --> 0:55:57.080
<v Speaker 3>Or at least back in the day when they used

0:55:57.120 --> 0:56:00.520
<v Speaker 3>to like fight on the floor of Congress like something.

0:56:00.560 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 1>Back then, those were the days.

0:56:03.560 --> 0:56:06.560
<v Speaker 2>So there's there's one more trade thing I think we're

0:56:06.600 --> 0:56:10.000
<v Speaker 2>talking about here in terms in terms of of where

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.279
<v Speaker 2>more terif aulorady can come from, and that's section three

0:56:12.360 --> 0:56:15.839
<v Speaker 2>oh one of that same TERR Effact. And this is

0:56:15.880 --> 0:56:19.759
<v Speaker 2>the one where so a lot of the tariffs on

0:56:19.920 --> 0:56:22.920
<v Speaker 2>China are actually still in effect because a lot of

0:56:22.960 --> 0:56:25.480
<v Speaker 2>those tariffs are actually from the first Trump administration and

0:56:25.480 --> 0:56:31.320
<v Speaker 2>then Biden continued them because it's yeah, they hate China.

0:56:32.440 --> 0:56:36.960
<v Speaker 2>I quite seriously do not have a better than that. Yeah,

0:56:37.000 --> 0:56:41.040
<v Speaker 2>but section three oh one is specifically for quote, unfair

0:56:41.120 --> 0:56:44.680
<v Speaker 2>trade practices. Yeah, no, like unfair.

0:56:44.920 --> 0:56:48.960
<v Speaker 3>It's such a strange word to use in legislation, right,

0:56:49.040 --> 0:56:51.799
<v Speaker 3>like what what do we what do we mean by that?

0:56:51.920 --> 0:56:55.120
<v Speaker 2>Well, so, like in the original context, it was like

0:56:55.280 --> 0:56:58.799
<v Speaker 2>supposed to be an anti protectionist thing, okay, but it's

0:56:58.840 --> 0:57:00.719
<v Speaker 2>also like, yeah, people are like, oh my god, it's

0:57:00.800 --> 0:57:03.600
<v Speaker 2>unfair of that, Like the Chinese companies get money from

0:57:03.600 --> 0:57:06.520
<v Speaker 2>the governments, and I'm like, all of you get fucking

0:57:06.560 --> 0:57:08.160
<v Speaker 2>money from the government all the time. What are you

0:57:08.200 --> 0:57:09.879
<v Speaker 2>talkt like yeah.

0:57:09.680 --> 0:57:12.080
<v Speaker 3>And like they're talking about it like it's unfair that

0:57:12.080 --> 0:57:14.640
<v Speaker 3>the wages are lower in certain countries, you know.

0:57:14.800 --> 0:57:16.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And it's just like do you look at this,

0:57:16.320 --> 0:57:20.440
<v Speaker 2>And it's like, Okay, the US, the entire US agriculture industry,

0:57:20.720 --> 0:57:23.160
<v Speaker 2>like all of the corn grown in this country is

0:57:23.240 --> 0:57:25.800
<v Speaker 2>grown because they pass an ag bill every single year

0:57:26.280 --> 0:57:29.080
<v Speaker 2>that does subsidies that are literally illegal for like any

0:57:29.120 --> 0:57:31.720
<v Speaker 2>other country to have because I specifically got agreements carved

0:57:31.720 --> 0:57:35.200
<v Speaker 2>out of the free trade statues. Yeah, it's it's absolutely ridiculous.

0:57:35.440 --> 0:57:37.240
<v Speaker 2>But you know, this is the one that he's been

0:57:37.240 --> 0:57:40.240
<v Speaker 2>able to sort of use so far. So I think

0:57:40.240 --> 0:57:41.400
<v Speaker 2>this is going to be the one that's going to

0:57:41.480 --> 0:57:43.680
<v Speaker 2>be leaned on once the Trump people sort of remember

0:57:43.720 --> 0:57:47.080
<v Speaker 2>they have it. But the problem with using three oh

0:57:47.440 --> 0:57:50.720
<v Speaker 2>one is that there's actual bureaucratic steps you have to do,

0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:53.480
<v Speaker 2>Like you have to like convene a bunch of trade authorities,

0:57:54.200 --> 0:57:58.400
<v Speaker 2>and you have to have like a specific anti competitive practice. Okay,

0:57:58.760 --> 0:58:00.960
<v Speaker 2>so this is awesome. I think going to be very

0:58:01.040 --> 0:58:05.600
<v Speaker 2>vulnerable to legal challenges, except probably on China because you

0:58:05.640 --> 0:58:08.800
<v Speaker 2>actually have to go through and designate what the legal

0:58:08.840 --> 0:58:11.400
<v Speaker 2>practices are, and I mean usually the process six months,

0:58:11.800 --> 0:58:17.120
<v Speaker 2>even when you're moving quickly. So there's also I guess

0:58:17.320 --> 0:58:21.120
<v Speaker 2>what I would call the sort of like the secret

0:58:21.240 --> 0:58:25.320
<v Speaker 2>dark mode option where they just start doing the nightmare

0:58:25.400 --> 0:58:27.960
<v Speaker 2>or stuff. This is something that I think it was hazlit.

0:58:28.200 --> 0:58:32.080
<v Speaker 2>One of Trump's officials talked about this last year is

0:58:32.160 --> 0:58:36.640
<v Speaker 2>potentially using the Smooth Harley Tariff Act.

0:58:36.480 --> 0:58:38.920
<v Speaker 3>Like the nineteen thirties as.

0:58:38.760 --> 0:58:40.920
<v Speaker 2>Like yep, yeah, yeah, the one the one that is

0:58:41.000 --> 0:58:43.480
<v Speaker 2>very famous for exacerbating the Great Depression. Yeah, that when

0:58:43.520 --> 0:58:50.080
<v Speaker 2>I land about in high school. Yep. It's also the

0:58:50.120 --> 0:58:52.040
<v Speaker 2>other thing about this, right, is this act is not

0:58:52.120 --> 0:58:56.440
<v Speaker 2>on the books anymore. Okay, because well, so, okay, so

0:58:56.560 --> 0:58:58.400
<v Speaker 2>I've seen a conflicting explanation to this. Some people are

0:58:58.440 --> 0:59:01.120
<v Speaker 2>just confused. I think the explanation of it that I've

0:59:01.160 --> 0:59:03.000
<v Speaker 2>seen is that it was superseded by sections of the

0:59:03.080 --> 0:59:05.560
<v Speaker 2>nineteen seventy four Trade Act. Okay, so it's not even

0:59:05.600 --> 0:59:08.840
<v Speaker 2>clear if this is in effect, but this is in theory,

0:59:09.120 --> 0:59:11.840
<v Speaker 2>like the sort of like dark maga, like we're reaching

0:59:11.880 --> 0:59:14.240
<v Speaker 2>into the bag and pulling trade authority out of something

0:59:14.800 --> 0:59:15.920
<v Speaker 2>button they could reach for.

0:59:17.240 --> 0:59:19.360
<v Speaker 3>Right, yeah, we take that and before with like title

0:59:19.400 --> 0:59:22.240
<v Speaker 3>forty two and stuff. Right yeah, the title thirty two

0:59:22.440 --> 0:59:25.760
<v Speaker 3>it is to stop people with tuberculosis, like back in

0:59:25.800 --> 0:59:27.880
<v Speaker 3>the day. That was the idea behind it, and they

0:59:27.920 --> 0:59:30.480
<v Speaker 3>pulled it out in twenty twenty, right, and then Biden

0:59:30.680 --> 0:59:33.400
<v Speaker 3>just like this, Harris kept it for much longer than trap.

0:59:33.440 --> 0:59:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. But I think this is and this is I

0:59:35.840 --> 0:59:38.120
<v Speaker 2>think actually a very significant moment for the Supreme Court.

0:59:38.720 --> 0:59:41.680
<v Speaker 2>And I think sexual bank independence will eventually become this

0:59:41.760 --> 0:59:43.720
<v Speaker 2>if and when this gets this gets to the courts.

0:59:44.360 --> 0:59:48.240
<v Speaker 2>But tariffs are sort of the the redline for a

0:59:48.280 --> 0:59:50.640
<v Speaker 2>couple of the Supreme Court justices who normally sided with

0:59:50.680 --> 0:59:55.240
<v Speaker 2>Trump just specifically because A, I mean, it just says

0:59:55.320 --> 0:59:58.760
<v Speaker 2>in the Constitution that tariffs are specifically think that Congress

0:59:58.760 --> 1:00:02.040
<v Speaker 2>does so just be like, oh, they gave me the

1:00:02.040 --> 1:00:04.480
<v Speaker 2>power to do this unless they like explicitly set it.

1:00:04.520 --> 1:00:07.160
<v Speaker 2>But then b it's it's this is this is a

1:00:07.160 --> 1:00:09.720
<v Speaker 2>financial red light, right, like this is this this is

1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:11.560
<v Speaker 2>the point at which you're fucking with the money. So

1:00:11.640 --> 1:00:13.360
<v Speaker 2>this is the point where the Supreme Court was like,

1:00:13.840 --> 1:00:16.560
<v Speaker 2>you know, we've we've let you just make up laws

1:00:17.600 --> 1:00:19.480
<v Speaker 2>in a whole bunch of other cases. But this is

1:00:19.560 --> 1:00:21.240
<v Speaker 2>this is the actual limit of it when it comes

1:00:21.240 --> 1:00:26.360
<v Speaker 2>to authority that really significantly like destroys the American economy.

1:00:26.560 --> 1:00:30.960
<v Speaker 14>Yeah, like the economy has more rights and people. Yeah, absolutely,

1:00:31.080 --> 1:00:33.760
<v Speaker 14>this is the way that it's always been. I also

1:00:33.760 --> 1:00:35.800
<v Speaker 14>want to mention one closing thing on the terriffs is

1:00:35.800 --> 1:00:38.800
<v Speaker 14>that the Supreme Court didn't answer the question of if

1:00:38.800 --> 1:00:40.800
<v Speaker 14>people are going to get their money back and how

1:00:40.800 --> 1:00:44.280
<v Speaker 14>the refunds are going to work. Sure didn't, Nope, And

1:00:44.320 --> 1:00:45.920
<v Speaker 14>I think it's because they couldn't get agreement on it,

1:00:46.360 --> 1:00:48.560
<v Speaker 14>because this ruling is kind of a mess in that

1:00:48.640 --> 1:00:52.720
<v Speaker 14>it's like this like weird fractured coalition of justices or

1:00:52.800 --> 1:00:55.200
<v Speaker 14>like parts of them agree on part of it, and

1:00:55.240 --> 1:00:57.960
<v Speaker 14>there's like parts of the opinion that are agreed by

1:00:58.040 --> 1:00:59.880
<v Speaker 14>to by a plurality of the court.

1:00:59.680 --> 1:01:03.360
<v Speaker 2>And not a majority. It's very weird. But yeah, they

1:01:03.360 --> 1:01:04.720
<v Speaker 2>have no idea how this is going to work. There's

1:01:04.760 --> 1:01:07.040
<v Speaker 2>already lawsuits going on to get the money back that

1:01:07.080 --> 1:01:10.440
<v Speaker 2>have been in place already, So presumably some kind of

1:01:10.840 --> 1:01:14.280
<v Speaker 2>redispensation's going to happen. It's going to be unbelievably chaotic, Okay,

1:01:14.480 --> 1:01:18.280
<v Speaker 2>but we will we will keep you updated on how

1:01:18.720 --> 1:01:20.240
<v Speaker 2>American trade negotiations go.

1:01:20.720 --> 1:01:26.120
<v Speaker 4>Yeah, okay, we reported the news.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, put a trans girl on your couch.

1:01:28.800 --> 1:01:32.560
<v Speaker 2>Oh, actually, okay, I have one also really bleak update

1:01:32.960 --> 1:01:34.880
<v Speaker 2>on put a transgirl on your couch, which is we

1:01:34.960 --> 1:01:38.560
<v Speaker 2>actually got numbers, well they're technically not the first numbers

1:01:38.560 --> 1:01:41.680
<v Speaker 2>we've gotten, but we got actual good numbers on the

1:01:41.760 --> 1:01:44.919
<v Speaker 2>number of trans people who've moved, we've like fled their state,

1:01:45.760 --> 1:01:48.560
<v Speaker 2>like just from mid twenty twenty four to mid twenty

1:01:48.600 --> 1:01:51.920
<v Speaker 2>twenty five. The statistics suggests that it's it's ten percent

1:01:52.000 --> 1:01:54.240
<v Speaker 2>of all trans people, which is four hundred thousand people.

1:01:54.800 --> 1:01:57.720
<v Speaker 2>I think that's likely an undercount, and that's just the

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<v Speaker 2>first half of twenty twenty five. Yeah, that is a

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<v Speaker 2>humanitarian crisis. Like this is an internal migration crisis, right

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<v Speaker 2>that these are these are internally these have become internally

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<v Speaker 2>displaced people. Yes, and yeah, it's hideous and the least

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<v Speaker 2>that we can do at this moment is putting trans

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<v Speaker 2>people in your couch because the violence of there folleying

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<v Speaker 2>is intensifying.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of people actually reached out to our email.

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<v Speaker 3>Our email is cool Zone, Tips and proton dot me,

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<v Speaker 3>and that's mostly for things that you know that we

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<v Speaker 3>should report on, not for just like general episode ideas.

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<v Speaker 3>If you're trying to be a be a source for us,

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<v Speaker 3>so I have some tip of something that you become

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<v Speaker 3>aware of this and being reported. It's not for like

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<v Speaker 3>Robert should do this episode on Bastards.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to emphasize once again that it is not.

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<v Speaker 1>There is a if you want to do that, go

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<v Speaker 1>to the Bastards subreddit. There is a section for that.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you.

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<v Speaker 3>But a lot of people had reached out to be like,

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<v Speaker 3>I want to do this, but I don't know of anyone,

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<v Speaker 3>and obviously I don't want to be like posting online

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<v Speaker 3>like transfolks come to my house, because that seems like

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<v Speaker 3>weird behavior. So that's something we will try and aggress

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<v Speaker 3>like in a more general kind of mutual aid focused

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<v Speaker 3>yea a series of episodes that will work on. But

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<v Speaker 3>those people, it is good that you are trying to

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<v Speaker 3>do something.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, we reported the news.

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<v Speaker 2>We reported the news.

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