1
00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:02,880
Speaker 1: Also media.

2
00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,959
Speaker 2: This is it could happen here.

3
00:00:10,039 --> 00:00:13,680
Speaker 3: Executive Disorder are weekly newscast covering what is happening in

4
00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:16,040
Speaker 3: the White House, the crumbling of our world and what

5
00:00:16,079 --> 00:00:19,560
Speaker 3: this means for you. I am James Stout and today

6
00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:22,599
Speaker 3: I am joined by Sophie Lichtman and Mia What.

7
00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:24,640
Speaker 2: This week we're.

8
00:00:24,440 --> 00:00:30,440
Speaker 3: Covering the week of February eighteenth to February twenty fifth.

9
00:00:30,720 --> 00:00:34,240
Speaker 4: We'll also have a segment by one Garrison. Davis added

10
00:00:34,320 --> 00:00:37,120
Speaker 4: on later they were out in the field covering a

11
00:00:37,240 --> 00:00:39,920
Speaker 4: story which will be an episode coming out soon.

12
00:00:40,479 --> 00:00:44,040
Speaker 3: But yeah, they were inside the capital, not the.

13
00:00:45,040 --> 00:00:46,440
Speaker 2: Januarited States Capital.

14
00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:49,599
Speaker 3: Yea, yeah, so around Mumbo Army, I understand is going

15
00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:51,879
Speaker 3: to pardon them and it will be fine.

16
00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,880
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, two like four people who actually believe this.

17
00:00:56,240 --> 00:01:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, Please don't take to the subreddit. Garrison has

18
00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,080
Speaker 3: not been arrested. It's up a couple of small things,

19
00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,880
Speaker 3: I guess. Last week, the Georgia State Elections Board voted

20
00:01:07,920 --> 00:01:12,559
Speaker 3: to reprimand Elon Musk's America Pack for mailing absentee ballot

21
00:01:12,560 --> 00:01:16,080
Speaker 3: applications prey filled out with voting information during twenty twenty

22
00:01:16,080 --> 00:01:20,840
Speaker 3: four elections that violates the law. Uh yeah, yeah, and

23
00:01:20,880 --> 00:01:22,000
Speaker 3: they didn't they did this thing.

24
00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:22,959
Speaker 2: I don't know if you remember this.

25
00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:26,000
Speaker 3: They didn't indicate like it wasn't a ballot, it wasn't

26
00:01:26,160 --> 00:01:29,800
Speaker 3: from the government to vote with, it was from Elo Musk.

27
00:01:30,240 --> 00:01:32,360
Speaker 2: What that's so unhinged.

28
00:01:33,280 --> 00:01:36,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, he was really on one back then. It'll be

29
00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,600
Speaker 3: interesting to see how he approaches the mid terms with

30
00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:39,960
Speaker 3: his America Party.

31
00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:45,280
Speaker 4: Wow, Scotus did say that USPS is legally immune for

32
00:01:45,360 --> 00:01:49,280
Speaker 4: intentionally misdelivered mail. They're basically saying, you know, and this

33
00:01:49,440 --> 00:01:50,960
Speaker 4: was a five to four decision and.

34
00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,360
Speaker 1: It happened on Tuesday.

35
00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,840
Speaker 4: February twenty fourth, that the US Postal Service can't be

36
00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,400
Speaker 4: held liable for intentional failure to deliver mail.

37
00:02:00,080 --> 00:02:02,200
Speaker 2: Only Hinge's decision. By the way, that the actual, the

38
00:02:02,240 --> 00:02:04,920
Speaker 2: actual story behind it is this black woman who was

39
00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:07,920
Speaker 2: renting property out to people and all the like, the

40
00:02:07,960 --> 00:02:10,480
Speaker 2: people were pissed about it because they're racists, and so

41
00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:13,960
Speaker 2: they were doing shit like intentionally not delivering bills and stuff.

42
00:02:14,000 --> 00:02:17,400
Speaker 2: They were like locking their mailboxes with like locks that

43
00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:18,959
Speaker 2: no one had the keys to because the post office

44
00:02:18,960 --> 00:02:22,359
Speaker 2: people were just putting locks on it. And it got

45
00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:25,639
Speaker 2: ruled that they have immunity for this. Wow, bizarre.

46
00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,840
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean all of this just feels like it's

47
00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:31,480
Speaker 4: being targeted for voter suppression.

48
00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,080
Speaker 1: But yeah, that's a bigger story.

49
00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:39,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. But also another case of Supreme Court says racism. Fine, yeah,

50
00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:41,119
Speaker 2: many such cases.

51
00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:44,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the that's the doctrine. The other thing was

52
00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,839
Speaker 3: this this week is part of the DHS shut down.

53
00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:50,800
Speaker 3: Lewandowski and nom decided that they were going to shut

54
00:02:50,840 --> 00:02:54,520
Speaker 3: down TSA pre check and global entry so those people

55
00:02:54,520 --> 00:02:58,639
Speaker 3: aren't familiar, are like expedited processing. One is forgetting on

56
00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,600
Speaker 3: the plane as you go for security there, and the

57
00:03:01,639 --> 00:03:03,280
Speaker 3: other one is for when you arrive in the United

58
00:03:03,320 --> 00:03:07,760
Speaker 3: States and nuclear costumes that this lasted for like minutes.

59
00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:16,480
Speaker 3: It seems that way. I think global entry is still paused.

60
00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,120
Speaker 3: There are other ways in which having a global entry

61
00:03:19,120 --> 00:03:21,960
Speaker 3: car can exploit your entry into the US still, but

62
00:03:22,520 --> 00:03:25,280
Speaker 3: the pre check thing did not last very long because

63
00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:26,679
Speaker 3: that would.

64
00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,840
Speaker 2: Have probably pissed off all the wrong people, right, like.

65
00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:34,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and also make lines even longer, which is airports

66
00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:35,360
Speaker 4: are already a nightmare.

67
00:03:35,360 --> 00:03:37,800
Speaker 2: Come on, come on, they would have gotten killed by

68
00:03:37,800 --> 00:03:40,680
Speaker 2: their own congressional staffers.

69
00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:44,000
Speaker 1: Right. You think Ted Cruz doesn't have TSA pre check.

70
00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:48,720
Speaker 3: Please the idea that like, okay, so we're like they're

71
00:03:48,720 --> 00:03:51,200
Speaker 3: forcing all the TSA people to work anyway, right, because

72
00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:53,600
Speaker 3: they are essential employees. But be like, if you can

73
00:03:53,640 --> 00:03:56,040
Speaker 3: find a way to make those people work less, let's

74
00:03:56,040 --> 00:03:57,840
Speaker 3: say by having a group of people who have been

75
00:03:57,920 --> 00:04:00,360
Speaker 3: pre cleared so the TSA people don't have to spend

76
00:04:00,400 --> 00:04:01,440
Speaker 3: quite a long checking them.

77
00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:02,520
Speaker 2: That helps.

78
00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:05,720
Speaker 3: Actually, this is not a cost saving measure. This is

79
00:04:06,000 --> 00:04:08,080
Speaker 3: clearly to try to punish people and put it on

80
00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:08,600
Speaker 3: the dems.

81
00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,920
Speaker 4: I simply have TSA pre check just so I don't

82
00:04:11,960 --> 00:04:14,480
Speaker 4: have to take off my shoes, and because it brings

83
00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,279
Speaker 4: me great joy when I get to ditch people who

84
00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:21,000
Speaker 4: do not have love ditching Robert Evans at the airport

85
00:04:21,800 --> 00:04:24,600
Speaker 4: and every time we travel together it's a battle who

86
00:04:24,640 --> 00:04:26,000
Speaker 4: will get through the line first.

87
00:04:26,040 --> 00:04:28,840
Speaker 1: And one time it was him and he was like.

88
00:04:29,000 --> 00:04:34,880
Speaker 4: Ah, you know what I deserve that a prettiest ye

89
00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:39,160
Speaker 4: A previous job bought me that PSA prey check and

90
00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:41,400
Speaker 4: I've had it.

91
00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:45,520
Speaker 1: For years, and wow, I love not taking my shoes off.

92
00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,480
Speaker 1: That's it. That's the only person for me. I'm like, Wow,

93
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:50,880
Speaker 1: get to wear shoes.

94
00:04:53,040 --> 00:05:02,240
Speaker 4: First world problems, Oh, yeah.

95
00:04:59,120 --> 00:05:04,520
Speaker 2: Let's talk briefly about Mexico. Yes, oh god, dramatic tone shift.

96
00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,000
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, well you know you might use your

97
00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,200
Speaker 3: pre check on a trip to Mexico.

98
00:05:09,320 --> 00:05:09,560
Speaker 2: Wow.

99
00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,800
Speaker 3: Transition Wow, yeah, that's a transition. That's what we do here.

100
00:05:14,000 --> 00:05:20,560
Speaker 3: See yeah, professional podcasting. The Mexican military killed Elemento on Sunday.

101
00:05:21,080 --> 00:05:25,120
Speaker 3: Mento's legal name is Nemesio where servantees. He was, of

102
00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,000
Speaker 3: course the leader of the CJ and G, which is

103
00:05:28,200 --> 00:05:30,520
Speaker 3: I guess the English translation would be like the Hallisco

104
00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:34,480
Speaker 3: Cartel new generation, right. The Spanish acronym is how it's

105
00:05:34,520 --> 00:05:38,000
Speaker 3: generally used. He was also the most wanted person in Mexico.

106
00:05:38,920 --> 00:05:44,360
Speaker 3: The operation was carried out by the Mexican military. I've

107
00:05:44,400 --> 00:05:47,520
Speaker 3: seen some reports that they didn't notify local law enforcement

108
00:05:47,600 --> 00:05:50,520
Speaker 3: so he wouldn't be tipped off now. Mento is reported

109
00:05:50,560 --> 00:05:54,039
Speaker 3: to have died on a military flight after the raid,

110
00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:56,960
Speaker 3: so have been injured in the raid and then died

111
00:05:57,240 --> 00:06:00,120
Speaker 3: on the way back to Mexico City, where he was

112
00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:03,200
Speaker 3: obviously going to be treated, and then questioned if he survived.

113
00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,600
Speaker 3: I guess in response, more than two hundred and fifty

114
00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:08,920
Speaker 3: knuck called blockados knuckle blockaloes. If you're not familiar. Are

115
00:06:09,680 --> 00:06:12,960
Speaker 3: roadblocks that are generally made up of vehicles that are carjacked.

116
00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,000
Speaker 3: They're often like buses, and then they're set a blaze

117
00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:18,159
Speaker 3: that they're set at ninety degrees to the direction of

118
00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:20,040
Speaker 3: traveler of the road right, so it makes a roadblock.

119
00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:21,640
Speaker 3: So more than two hundred and fifty of these were

120
00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:27,280
Speaker 3: set up around the country. This is a relatively common response.

121
00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:30,760
Speaker 3: The most I guess, like serious response we've seen to

122
00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:33,760
Speaker 3: a government action before was called the Kolia Kanasso.

123
00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,720
Speaker 2: Couliacan was in a lower cartel.

124
00:06:35,760 --> 00:06:38,240
Speaker 3: This this one they're calling the men jassel right, using

125
00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:42,560
Speaker 3: the same etymology, I guess. There have also been attacks

126
00:06:42,760 --> 00:06:46,039
Speaker 3: on Mexican National Guard troops, killing more than two dozen

127
00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:49,719
Speaker 3: In twenty four hours. Following the raids, more than sixty

128
00:06:49,760 --> 00:06:53,520
Speaker 3: civilians I've now been reported to have been killed, including

129
00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:59,279
Speaker 3: a pregnant woman. Yeah, it's all like it's folks in

130
00:06:59,320 --> 00:07:02,720
Speaker 3: Mexico who going to suffer, right, Like it's every day

131
00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:05,040
Speaker 3: people trying to get on with their lives. Another of

132
00:07:05,080 --> 00:07:07,560
Speaker 3: the things that happened is the bank will be nstar

133
00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:10,200
Speaker 3: so like well being bank. I guess I would translate

134
00:07:10,280 --> 00:07:13,080
Speaker 3: that as it's a bank that exists to bring people

135
00:07:13,080 --> 00:07:16,880
Speaker 3: into the banking system who would otherwise be unbanked. It's

136
00:07:16,880 --> 00:07:19,840
Speaker 3: a government initiative in Mexico. So a lot of branches

137
00:07:19,880 --> 00:07:23,240
Speaker 3: of that bank have been burnt down. This is part

138
00:07:23,280 --> 00:07:26,040
Speaker 3: of a tendency on the part of Shinenbaum right to

139
00:07:26,080 --> 00:07:30,440
Speaker 3: repudiate the previous policy of hugs not bullets, and to

140
00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:34,800
Speaker 3: go after organized crime in Mexico more violently.

141
00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:35,960
Speaker 2: I guess it.

142
00:07:35,960 --> 00:07:38,920
Speaker 3: Seems like the country's security forces have been leading the

143
00:07:39,000 --> 00:07:42,080
Speaker 3: charge against the seen A lower cartel, and this maybe

144
00:07:42,120 --> 00:07:44,400
Speaker 3: indicates that it's the military who were going.

145
00:07:44,200 --> 00:07:45,920
Speaker 2: After the Hallischico cartel.

146
00:07:46,360 --> 00:07:50,280
Speaker 3: So like the two branches are pursuing separate missions against

147
00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:54,760
Speaker 3: against different entities. Right, it remains to be seen if

148
00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:56,360
Speaker 3: there was any US involvement.

149
00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:57,440
Speaker 2: I kind of take.

150
00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:02,360
Speaker 3: Issue at the needs you suggestion that there has to

151
00:08:02,360 --> 00:08:05,800
Speaker 3: have been US involvement. Like, the Mexican government is more

152
00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,160
Speaker 3: than capable of doing state violence. It has done so

153
00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,680
Speaker 3: for a long time. Yep, you know, the Mexican government

154
00:08:10,720 --> 00:08:13,000
Speaker 3: is capable of acting on its own. Not everything that

155
00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:15,920
Speaker 3: happens is about America. I don't want to cover this

156
00:08:15,960 --> 00:08:18,160
Speaker 3: in too great of a detail. It's not really a

157
00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:20,960
Speaker 3: beat that we report on other than this is a

158
00:08:21,080 --> 00:08:23,080
Speaker 3: relatively major occurrence in Mexico.

159
00:08:23,520 --> 00:08:29,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and Gear is gonna plug in now future Gear,

160
00:08:30,320 --> 00:08:31,239
Speaker 4: tell us what you got?

161
00:08:31,920 --> 00:08:32,240
Speaker 2: Hello.

162
00:08:32,480 --> 00:08:35,800
Speaker 5: Garrison Davis here with Sophie Lechterman for a special segment

163
00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:41,120
Speaker 5: about the Super Bowl commercial for Ring the Doorbell, owned

164
00:08:41,120 --> 00:08:45,040
Speaker 5: by Amazon Yep. During the Super Bowl, Amazon's Ring Doorbell

165
00:08:45,160 --> 00:08:48,960
Speaker 5: air commercial showing off a new feature called Search Party,

166
00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:53,319
Speaker 5: which was advertised as a way to locate lost dogs

167
00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,480
Speaker 5: by automatically searching through footage captured by ring cameras in

168
00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,520
Speaker 5: the neighborhood to track a pet's movements.

169
00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,800
Speaker 4: Ooh, who picked the name search party? And who thought

170
00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,760
Speaker 4: that wasn't creepy?

171
00:09:04,000 --> 00:09:06,240
Speaker 5: Search Party is interesting because it makes you think of

172
00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:09,040
Speaker 5: like a crime scene. Yes, that is a brain link

173
00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,079
Speaker 5: that they may not have intended. Let's play, yes, please

174
00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,640
Speaker 5: the audio from this commercial because, as Sophie discussed before

175
00:09:17,679 --> 00:09:21,239
Speaker 5: we started this segment, where we're unsure of the overlap

176
00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:23,960
Speaker 5: of it could happen here listeners and Super Bowl watchers.

177
00:09:24,280 --> 00:09:28,600
Speaker 5: So here is the Ring commercial audio. It's thirty seconds.

178
00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:30,400
Speaker 2: This is milw pets her family.

179
00:09:31,559 --> 00:09:34,600
Speaker 6: But every year ten million go missing, and the way

180
00:09:34,600 --> 00:09:37,240
Speaker 6: we look for them hasn't changed in years.

181
00:09:38,600 --> 00:09:39,360
Speaker 2: Until now.

182
00:09:39,880 --> 00:09:41,760
Speaker 6: One post of a dog's photo in the Ring app

183
00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:44,560
Speaker 6: starts outdoor cameras looking for a match. Search Party from

184
00:09:44,640 --> 00:09:48,040
Speaker 6: Ring uses AI to help families find lost dogs. Since launch,

185
00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:50,120
Speaker 6: more than a dog a day has been reunited with

186
00:09:50,160 --> 00:09:52,679
Speaker 6: their family. Be a hero in your neighborhood with Search

187
00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:56,920
Speaker 6: Party available to everyone for free right now, Join the

188
00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,760
Speaker 6: neighborhood at rain dot com.

189
00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,120
Speaker 2: Join the neighbor uh No?

190
00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,240
Speaker 1: Also, when did they launch this?

191
00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,880
Speaker 2: Do we know it's launched? I'm pretty sure Search Party

192
00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:07,319
Speaker 2: is launched.

193
00:10:07,360 --> 00:10:09,360
Speaker 1: I just don't believe that dog and Day bullshit.

194
00:10:10,480 --> 00:10:13,400
Speaker 5: It launched in late twenty twenty five, Okay, and I

195
00:10:13,480 --> 00:10:16,320
Speaker 5: can speak to this a little bit more, Actually sure,

196
00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:19,800
Speaker 5: because I saw this feature early when I was in

197
00:10:19,880 --> 00:10:25,320
Speaker 5: Las Vegas. Actually right, this commercial this intends to portray,

198
00:10:25,440 --> 00:10:28,840
Speaker 5: you know, a heartwarming unification of a dog and its owner,

199
00:10:29,320 --> 00:10:33,959
Speaker 5: but in effect, the ad sparked public backlash, including from

200
00:10:34,040 --> 00:10:39,760
Speaker 5: politicians like Massachusetts Senator Ed Markey and privacy rights organizations,

201
00:10:40,200 --> 00:10:45,880
Speaker 5: and among normies because this ad accidentally demonstrated the technological

202
00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:49,720
Speaker 5: capacity to turn every neighborhood Ring camera into a web

203
00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,000
Speaker 5: of surveillance that AI can use to locate anything.

204
00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,400
Speaker 2: Based on a picture.

205
00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:57,839
Speaker 5: Now, as I said, I saw this feature unveiled at

206
00:10:57,960 --> 00:11:01,560
Speaker 5: CEES last month. I talked about it on Better Offline.

207
00:11:01,920 --> 00:11:06,199
Speaker 5: At ces the AI search functionality was described like this.

208
00:11:06,840 --> 00:11:09,080
Speaker 5: The owner of a lost pet can upload a photo

209
00:11:09,320 --> 00:11:12,320
Speaker 5: and post a notice in the ring app. An Amazon

210
00:11:12,320 --> 00:11:14,840
Speaker 5: will utilize ring cameras in the area to search for matches,

211
00:11:14,880 --> 00:11:17,000
Speaker 5: and if a match is found, the owner of the

212
00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:19,120
Speaker 5: camera can share the footage with the owner of the

213
00:11:19,160 --> 00:11:22,760
Speaker 5: lost pet. But the public display this technology during the

214
00:11:22,760 --> 00:11:26,640
Speaker 5: Super Bowl has stirred trouble and bad headlines for Amazon.

215
00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:29,599
Speaker 5: Senator Ed Markey said that the ad quote exposed a

216
00:11:29,679 --> 00:11:33,439
Speaker 5: scary truth the technology in its doorbell cameras can be

217
00:11:33,520 --> 00:11:36,640
Speaker 5: used to hunt down a lost pet or a person.

218
00:11:37,520 --> 00:11:41,600
Speaker 5: Americans oppose this creepy surveillance state unquote, and the privacy

219
00:11:41,679 --> 00:11:44,840
Speaker 5: rights organization the Electronic Frontier Foundation wrote in a statement

220
00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:48,160
Speaker 5: that the ad was quote unquote disguised as heartfelt, but

221
00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:52,560
Speaker 5: actually quote previewed future surveillance of our streets, a world

222
00:11:52,600 --> 00:11:57,679
Speaker 5: where biometric identification could be unleashed from consumer devices to identify, track,

223
00:11:57,760 --> 00:12:01,040
Speaker 5: and locate anything human, pet, or otherwise.

224
00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:01,720
Speaker 2: Quote.

225
00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:06,080
Speaker 5: Now, these concerns are in the wake of high profile

226
00:12:06,120 --> 00:12:10,360
Speaker 5: ICE rates targeting neighborhoods, and a recent announcement that RING

227
00:12:10,720 --> 00:12:14,280
Speaker 5: was going to partner with the police surveillance company Flock,

228
00:12:14,880 --> 00:12:19,680
Speaker 5: which operates large scale, integrated camera systems that allow police

229
00:12:19,720 --> 00:12:24,240
Speaker 5: to tap into a network of surveillance in urban areas

230
00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,880
Speaker 5: through cameras and license plate readers. Now, Flock claims that

231
00:12:29,960 --> 00:12:34,679
Speaker 5: they do not give federal immigration agencies direct access to footage,

232
00:12:35,080 --> 00:12:36,760
Speaker 5: and that may be true, that.

233
00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:39,520
Speaker 4: Doesn't mean that won't change that they don't have capability

234
00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:40,240
Speaker 4: to do so.

235
00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:43,240
Speaker 5: Well, and that doesn't mean that CBP and ICE can't

236
00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:48,200
Speaker 5: acquire that footage in other ways and currently right now,

237
00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,439
Speaker 5: a four h four media report from last May showed

238
00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:56,160
Speaker 5: that local police working with ICE used Flock's camera network

239
00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,680
Speaker 5: to track immigrants as a part of ICE and homeland

240
00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:03,000
Speaker 5: security investigation. So they are getting access to this footage

241
00:13:03,000 --> 00:13:06,120
Speaker 5: even though they aren't directly tapped into the Flock network,

242
00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,560
Speaker 5: because they can work with local agencies in states that

243
00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,520
Speaker 5: do not have sanctuary city policies and in states that

244
00:13:13,880 --> 00:13:18,160
Speaker 5: maybe do, because police may not be always following those laws,

245
00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,920
Speaker 5: Ring not. Flock says that their footage can be requested

246
00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:24,439
Speaker 5: by local law enforcement, and users can decide whether or

247
00:13:24,480 --> 00:13:29,079
Speaker 5: not to respond, though Ring is also subject to Warrens, subpoenas,

248
00:13:29,080 --> 00:13:33,760
Speaker 5: and court orders requiring some footage be handed over to authorities.

249
00:13:34,240 --> 00:13:37,880
Speaker 5: Following the backlash to the Super Bowl ad, Ring canceled

250
00:13:38,240 --> 00:13:42,079
Speaker 5: its partnership with Flock in what the companies describe as

251
00:13:42,120 --> 00:13:45,800
Speaker 5: a mutual decision. The deal would have allowed Ring owners

252
00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,240
Speaker 5: to directly share footage with the Flock network.

253
00:13:48,559 --> 00:13:48,839
Speaker 2: Now.

254
00:13:49,080 --> 00:13:53,240
Speaker 5: All of this happened around the same time that the

255
00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:58,440
Speaker 5: FBI was able to access recorded footage from Nancy Guthrie's

256
00:13:58,520 --> 00:14:01,960
Speaker 5: Google Nest camera as a part of that kidnapping investigation,

257
00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:07,720
Speaker 5: despite Guthrie not having an active recording subscription, so this

258
00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,520
Speaker 5: too sparked privacy concerns. Cash Fortel, FBI director said that

259
00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:16,880
Speaker 5: the footage was recovered from quote residual data located in

260
00:14:17,000 --> 00:14:21,840
Speaker 5: back end SYSTEMSOTE. This was footage that Google records and

261
00:14:21,920 --> 00:14:25,240
Speaker 5: stores for free on a temporary basis, usually for a

262
00:14:25,240 --> 00:14:28,040
Speaker 5: few hours before it is quote unquote deleted. So if

263
00:14:28,080 --> 00:14:30,240
Speaker 5: you have one of these Nest cameras, Google will store

264
00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:32,720
Speaker 5: a few hours of footage for you to look at

265
00:14:32,760 --> 00:14:34,960
Speaker 5: for free and then says that it's going to be

266
00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:38,640
Speaker 5: quote unquote deleted, and Nest owners can pay a reoccurring

267
00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,800
Speaker 5: fee to keep that footage accessible on the Google Cloud

268
00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:45,360
Speaker 5: for longer. Guthrie did not have such a subscription, so

269
00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:49,000
Speaker 5: this data that was recorded was marked for deletion. But

270
00:14:49,120 --> 00:14:53,120
Speaker 5: data deletion is not an immediate process. It just marks

271
00:14:53,160 --> 00:14:55,760
Speaker 5: a piece of data as being okay to write over

272
00:14:55,960 --> 00:15:01,200
Speaker 5: with new data, which means until that happens, fragments of

273
00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:04,800
Speaker 5: that data can be retrieved and pieced back together. But

274
00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:07,760
Speaker 5: this can be tricky and take a lot of time,

275
00:15:08,160 --> 00:15:10,680
Speaker 5: and in this case, it took Google over a week

276
00:15:11,040 --> 00:15:13,760
Speaker 5: for a very high profile case.

277
00:15:13,960 --> 00:15:17,320
Speaker 4: And they're still working behind the scenes to retrieve even

278
00:15:17,360 --> 00:15:20,720
Speaker 4: more footage. Yeah, from this Nest cameras.

279
00:15:20,880 --> 00:15:21,600
Speaker 2: It's not easy.

280
00:15:21,640 --> 00:15:24,640
Speaker 5: I think the sort of privacy concerns for this case

281
00:15:24,880 --> 00:15:28,720
Speaker 5: do not reflect largely for I think most people's concerns

282
00:15:28,720 --> 00:15:31,120
Speaker 5: because the specific way Google stores it footage in the

283
00:15:31,120 --> 00:15:33,920
Speaker 5: cloud is also unique to the Google Nest system. Ring

284
00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:35,640
Speaker 5: doesn't do it in this same way.

285
00:15:35,840 --> 00:15:40,040
Speaker 4: They also ended up outsourcing this to like private security

286
00:15:40,520 --> 00:15:45,800
Speaker 4: retrievers for data retrievers, as opposed to doing it internally,

287
00:15:46,120 --> 00:15:51,040
Speaker 4: either with the local sheriffs or FBI, which says a lot.

288
00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, not surprising, and yeah, there's always a concern with

289
00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,240
Speaker 5: these sorts of you know, doorbell cameras, that the footage

290
00:15:58,520 --> 00:16:01,600
Speaker 5: can be subpeded, right, but that process also takes a

291
00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:03,400
Speaker 5: long time. I think there's a difference between the sort

292
00:16:03,400 --> 00:16:07,800
Speaker 5: of flock style immediate access and subpoena ining footage or

293
00:16:07,840 --> 00:16:10,880
Speaker 5: having to piece together fragmented footage in the case of

294
00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,400
Speaker 5: like the Nest storage system. But this is this is

295
00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,160
Speaker 5: the current situation with with the Ring and Flock deal

296
00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:22,640
Speaker 5: that fell through. Ring does partner with Axon, the bodycam company. Similarly,

297
00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,800
Speaker 5: police can send requests to Ring users and they can

298
00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:30,200
Speaker 5: voluntarily send the footage. If they choose not to police

299
00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:31,880
Speaker 5: really want that footage, they can try to get a

300
00:16:31,920 --> 00:16:34,840
Speaker 5: court order that may or may not succeed, depending on

301
00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:36,160
Speaker 5: the details of that case.

302
00:16:36,720 --> 00:16:42,360
Speaker 4: My question is when you were a CS what what

303
00:16:42,440 --> 00:16:46,080
Speaker 4: were they highlighting there? Was it different from this commercial

304
00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,000
Speaker 4: or was it a similar campaign?

305
00:16:48,280 --> 00:16:51,440
Speaker 5: It was very similar to this commercial. It was it

306
00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:54,600
Speaker 5: was like a section of the large like Amazon room.

307
00:16:54,680 --> 00:16:57,800
Speaker 5: Like Amazon has a whole suite a suite in this hotel,

308
00:16:57,840 --> 00:16:59,640
Speaker 5: but it's it's not it's not like a hotel room.

309
00:16:59,640 --> 00:17:01,280
Speaker 5: It's on the convention floor. But they have like their

310
00:17:01,320 --> 00:17:04,920
Speaker 5: whole whole like kind of ballroom section Amazon wing and

311
00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,040
Speaker 5: Amazon wing of the convention. Yeah, and this was one

312
00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:10,400
Speaker 5: of the many products. They had a few other surveillance products,

313
00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:13,679
Speaker 5: like a like a security camera tower it's powered by

314
00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:16,239
Speaker 5: solar that can like roll around. Also as planning to

315
00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:20,760
Speaker 5: integrate into these web surveillance networks. But since this ad

316
00:17:20,800 --> 00:17:24,520
Speaker 5: and the negative backlash which led to the Flock deal

317
00:17:24,600 --> 00:17:27,760
Speaker 5: coming through, there still has been reports from four oh

318
00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:32,119
Speaker 5: four media about internal discussions among Ring to use search

319
00:17:32,200 --> 00:17:36,560
Speaker 5: Party for crime to quote unquote stop crime, and they're

320
00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:39,680
Speaker 5: still ongoing discussion on the various ways to apply this technology.

321
00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,600
Speaker 5: In an internal email acquired by four o four, the

322
00:17:43,760 --> 00:17:47,520
Speaker 5: Ring CEO said that search Party could be a tool

323
00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:52,679
Speaker 5: to help quote zero out crime in neighborhoods. So the

324
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,720
Speaker 5: capabilities of using this to track humans are very known

325
00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:57,160
Speaker 5: among the people at RING.

326
00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:00,640
Speaker 4: I think it's really interesting how quickly this partnership dissolved

327
00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,480
Speaker 4: with the backlash from that Super Bowl ad. It seemed

328
00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:07,240
Speaker 4: to be almost instant. It's pretty quick, which shows that

329
00:18:07,720 --> 00:18:11,520
Speaker 4: once upthing's really bad and you point it out, sometimes

330
00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:13,920
Speaker 4: that can work to stop said bad thing.

331
00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah.

332
00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,040
Speaker 4: Search party creepy though like a law enforcement still wants

333
00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,720
Speaker 4: to use it potentially be helpful with certain things, maybe,

334
00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,080
Speaker 4: but it really just seems like they're trying to do

335
00:18:27,320 --> 00:18:28,879
Speaker 4: like normal people surveillance.

336
00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:32,040
Speaker 5: Yeah, and then putting it with this you heartwarming package

337
00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,800
Speaker 5: of helping find lost dogs. If you want to locate

338
00:18:35,800 --> 00:18:37,479
Speaker 5: a lost dog, the most efficient way to do that

339
00:18:37,600 --> 00:18:40,359
Speaker 5: is by having your dog myca trips. That is still

340
00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:45,160
Speaker 5: the most most reliable method. Using this integrated camera network

341
00:18:45,200 --> 00:18:48,160
Speaker 5: as a as a way to coax people into submitting

342
00:18:48,560 --> 00:18:51,199
Speaker 5: into a system like this by waving the lost puppy

343
00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:53,119
Speaker 5: banner is a little bit insidious.

344
00:18:53,480 --> 00:18:56,040
Speaker 4: Leave the dogs alone. The dogs don't want to be surveilled.

345
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,199
Speaker 4: My dog doesn't want to be surveilled. She does, she

346
00:18:59,320 --> 00:19:02,760
Speaker 4: surveils mind house, Stop trying to take the dog's jobs.

347
00:19:03,119 --> 00:19:04,400
Speaker 4: We're gonna go to a quick ad.

348
00:19:04,200 --> 00:19:18,320
Speaker 1: Break and we'll be back. And we're back.

349
00:19:18,640 --> 00:19:22,080
Speaker 4: And I just wanted to follow up on something that

350
00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,600
Speaker 4: was kind of overlooked from the City of the Union,

351
00:19:24,680 --> 00:19:28,160
Speaker 4: which was, you know, kind of a throwaway discussion about

352
00:19:28,320 --> 00:19:31,800
Speaker 4: IVF and I just wanted to give some information because

353
00:19:31,880 --> 00:19:34,240
Speaker 4: I think it's worth talking about for those of you

354
00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:39,680
Speaker 4: who don't know, IVF is incredibly expensive. According to I

355
00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,000
Speaker 4: looked at the National Bureau of Economic Research as well

356
00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:46,600
Speaker 4: as an article from CNY Fertility that says the average

357
00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,920
Speaker 4: coughs of IVF is often quoted at twelve thousand dollars,

358
00:19:50,320 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 4: but that is just the price quoted by the fertillity

359
00:19:52,800 --> 00:19:56,080
Speaker 4: clinic for like their base package. And I have several

360
00:19:56,080 --> 00:20:00,000
Speaker 4: friends who have gone through this and the costs are outrageous,

361
00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:03,320
Speaker 4: many other necessary expenses on top of that, twelve thousand

362
00:20:03,320 --> 00:20:08,280
Speaker 4: dollars is around twenty thousand dollars and for most folks,

363
00:20:08,800 --> 00:20:11,919
Speaker 4: on average, IBS doesn't necessarily work the first time around.

364
00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:16,800
Speaker 4: For a lot of people, you're spending somewhere between thirty

365
00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:20,560
Speaker 4: thousand per round to fifty to sixty thousand per round.

366
00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:24,879
Speaker 4: And you know, despite and fertility being a medical diagnosis

367
00:20:24,880 --> 00:20:28,199
Speaker 4: and IBF being the best medical treatment for that. A

368
00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,439
Speaker 4: twenty eighteen analysis of the IBF insurance market by Mercer

369
00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:33,560
Speaker 4: found that seventy four percent of Americans do not have

370
00:20:33,600 --> 00:20:37,240
Speaker 4: insurance coverage for IBF, and you know, just from speaking

371
00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:41,639
Speaker 4: with friends, even if they do, it's still outrageously expensive.

372
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 4: So we're looking at a cost of about somewhere between

373
00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:49,200
Speaker 4: depending on insurance or without insurance. And that's not even

374
00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,800
Speaker 4: including the medical cost. That's not including the downtime cost

375
00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,440
Speaker 4: of not working. That's not including if you're just doing

376
00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:59,159
Speaker 4: egg retrieval, and the cost of storage. But these expenses

377
00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:03,240
Speaker 4: are outrageous and it's been a heated topic for many

378
00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 4: folks in the far right. And just for an example,

379
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:11,000
Speaker 4: I would like to play a clip from Charlie Kirk

380
00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:17,680
Speaker 4: talking to to Sorry Sorry in advance, two girl twins

381
00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:20,640
Speaker 4: that you know. I actually when this when this video

382
00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,760
Speaker 4: originally dropped, it was a discussion with a bunch.

383
00:21:23,600 --> 00:21:25,760
Speaker 1: Of my friends. So I kind of think it's worth sharing.

384
00:21:26,480 --> 00:21:29,399
Speaker 4: Just to see, like how heated of a topic it is,

385
00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:31,560
Speaker 4: because I want to talk about how Donald Trump has

386
00:21:31,560 --> 00:21:33,800
Speaker 4: addressed it and how that changed.

387
00:21:34,160 --> 00:21:36,920
Speaker 1: So here is an interaction between two.

388
00:21:36,680 --> 00:21:40,719
Speaker 4: Girls that were IVF babies talking to Charlie Kirk about IVF,

389
00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,520
Speaker 4: and I think it's just really interesting to hear that

390
00:21:43,680 --> 00:21:45,200
Speaker 4: extreme thinking from that side.

391
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:49,879
Speaker 7: Hi, Charlie, Hi, So my name is Paige and this

392
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:51,360
Speaker 7: is my twin sister IVF.

393
00:21:53,240 --> 00:21:55,040
Speaker 8: We have two older sisters that are also IVF.

394
00:21:55,280 --> 00:21:57,480
Speaker 1: Okay, so this is about IVF of.

395
00:21:57,440 --> 00:22:01,320
Speaker 8: Course, so I'm particularly a neutral on the topic. I

396
00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:03,919
Speaker 8: don't want to have like a forced opinion because like

397
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:07,800
Speaker 8: my entire families kind of become a product of IVF.

398
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:11,359
Speaker 9: Or you guys surahcuse too or just IVF just if.

399
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:15,760
Speaker 8: But I watch your videos and so I've noticed that

400
00:22:15,800 --> 00:22:17,959
Speaker 8: in one of your videos you do mention that you

401
00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:20,560
Speaker 8: are okay with IVF, but you're morally against it. Is

402
00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:21,080
Speaker 8: that true?

403
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:24,600
Speaker 9: Yeah, it's a little bit deeper than that, But I

404
00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 9: have a lot of problems with IVF albe it while

405
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:30,840
Speaker 9: acknowledging the fruit. I'm glad you're both alive and so

406
00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:33,880
Speaker 9: that must be celebrated. So it's a very I'll explain

407
00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:36,760
Speaker 9: the difficulty, but please continue, Okay.

408
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,560
Speaker 8: My part one of my question is just as someone

409
00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,359
Speaker 8: who was conceived through IVF, why should I also be

410
00:22:42,480 --> 00:22:43,439
Speaker 8: morally against it?

411
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 9: Got good question, Okay, So, as a pro life for

412
00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,479
Speaker 9: first and foremost, we have to have an issue with

413
00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:53,840
Speaker 9: the discarded fertilized eggs that happen during IVF. That's why

414
00:22:53,880 --> 00:22:58,360
Speaker 9: you guys are twins, is because during your creation process,

415
00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,280
Speaker 9: if I can be provocatively blunt with your you lost

416
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:06,040
Speaker 9: a lot of your siblings. Yes, am I correct and saying.

417
00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:09,639
Speaker 8: So for our older sisters they had six embryos in

418
00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,720
Speaker 8: their batch, two came out, of course, but for us

419
00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:14,400
Speaker 8: there were three and then two came out.

420
00:23:14,560 --> 00:23:17,199
Speaker 9: Yeah, and so that's my first problem is that it

421
00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,159
Speaker 9: definitionally is saying like we're going to discard life to

422
00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,399
Speaker 9: get to life. I have a problem with that.

423
00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:23,840
Speaker 2: So I do.

424
00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,280
Speaker 7: Agree, but in a certain way. Oh sorry, So in

425
00:23:27,320 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 7: a certain way, those embryos, like say, they weren't going

426
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 7: to become anyways, but at least we were trying because

427
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,600
Speaker 7: they were going to be raised in a house where

428
00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:36,800
Speaker 7: we are pro life and we really wanted to be

429
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:39,560
Speaker 7: able to have kids and cherish that. But by taking

430
00:23:39,600 --> 00:23:42,160
Speaker 7: that loss, they were able to have at least us

431
00:23:42,240 --> 00:23:44,440
Speaker 7: out of the three, at least they could have the one.

432
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:47,400
Speaker 7: So it's kind of I don't know where I'm going

433
00:23:47,440 --> 00:23:47,719
Speaker 7: with that.

434
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:50,680
Speaker 9: I understand what you're saying. So there's a pro life

435
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:56,199
Speaker 9: way to do IVA, which is only implant the eggs

436
00:23:56,240 --> 00:23:58,840
Speaker 9: of which the children that you actually want to raise,

437
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 9: and so by the way, you have a lower likelihood

438
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 9: of working because in your case it would be maybe

439
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:07,560
Speaker 9: two or three. For example, the way that the IVF

440
00:24:07,600 --> 00:24:10,320
Speaker 9: doctor will sell it. It is like, look, here's six embryos.

441
00:24:10,800 --> 00:24:12,720
Speaker 9: You'll be lucky if one or two implant to the

442
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:16,119
Speaker 9: uterine wall. Let's see what happens. Now in certain cases,

443
00:24:16,160 --> 00:24:19,880
Speaker 9: four implant to the uterine wall and you get quadruplets, right,

444
00:24:19,960 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 9: which is what happens.

445
00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:23,520
Speaker 2: I find that to be a little bit.

446
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,199
Speaker 9: Creepy, to be honest, that a doctor can kind of

447
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:29,679
Speaker 9: call shots on what life is going to live and

448
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,160
Speaker 9: not live.

449
00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 1: I think you're a little bit creepy.

450
00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,040
Speaker 2: Just I understand what an a is. Like, I just like,

451
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:41,080
Speaker 2: ideologically obviously no, but like, what how does he think that?

452
00:24:43,400 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that was like an extreme side of things.

453
00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:51,439
Speaker 4: Yeah, that opinion of you're killing your siblings and you

454
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:53,960
Speaker 4: know that, that sort of thing. I just find it

455
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:56,199
Speaker 4: the beginning of that video. I talked about it with

456
00:24:56,240 --> 00:24:57,760
Speaker 4: a lot of my friends when I first came out.

457
00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 4: I just thought it was so interesting that where he's like, well,

458
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:06,320
Speaker 4: I'm glad you're alive, but you're immoral? Is such a

459
00:25:06,760 --> 00:25:13,159
Speaker 4: such such an unhinged stance. Meanwhile, during the Trump campaign,

460
00:25:13,800 --> 00:25:16,919
Speaker 4: Sorry in advance, Donald Trump's voice.

461
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:21,040
Speaker 2: Trump back to back hazard pay.

462
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,760
Speaker 3: After listening to it for like two hours last night

463
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:25,240
Speaker 3: of the.

464
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,040
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Trump deeply pivoted We're going back to like

465
00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 4: about a month before the election in twenty twenty four,

466
00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:36,200
Speaker 4: but he deeply pivoted on IVF after the Biomi Supreme

467
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,080
Speaker 4: Court issued a ruling that effectively halted IVF treatment in

468
00:25:39,119 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 4: the state by declaring that frozen embryos.

469
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,000
Speaker 1: Are legally considered to be children.

470
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,159
Speaker 4: This decision led to a temporary shot down of IVF

471
00:25:48,200 --> 00:25:51,679
Speaker 4: services at major clinics due to liability risks. This is,

472
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:56,119
Speaker 4: you know, from Johns Hopkins Public health website. Yeah, and

473
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,600
Speaker 4: so that started a big discussion and splits of different

474
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:04,960
Speaker 4: people on different political sides about the topic. But yeah,

475
00:26:05,080 --> 00:26:07,360
Speaker 4: Trump pivoted an IVF and this is what he had

476
00:26:07,400 --> 00:26:13,520
Speaker 4: to say, Oh, I want to talk about IVF.

477
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 10: I'm the father of IVF, so I want to hear

478
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:16,200
Speaker 10: this question.

479
00:26:16,720 --> 00:26:18,160
Speaker 2: What the fuck?

480
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 3: Yeah.

481
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:22,960
Speaker 4: Also during the campaign trail, in an interview with NBC News,

482
00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:24,439
Speaker 4: this is the most important clip of it.

483
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 11: He said the following, Well, as you know, I was

484
00:26:27,640 --> 00:26:30,240
Speaker 11: always for IVF right from the beginning, as soon as

485
00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 11: we heard about it. It's fertilization and it's helping women

486
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:34,040
Speaker 11: and men and families.

487
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 12: But it's helping women able to have a baby.

488
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,080
Speaker 11: Some have great difficulty, and a lot of them have

489
00:26:42,119 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 11: been very happy with the results, as you know, and

490
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,520
Speaker 11: what we're doing, and we're doing this because we just

491
00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:47,920
Speaker 11: think it's great and we.

492
00:26:47,840 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 12: Need great children, beautiful children in our country.

493
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:53,639
Speaker 11: We actually need them, and we are going to be

494
00:26:54,160 --> 00:26:57,359
Speaker 11: under the Trump administration, we are going to be paying

495
00:26:57,440 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 11: for that treatment.

496
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,320
Speaker 12: So we are paying for that treatment.

497
00:27:00,560 --> 00:27:02,400
Speaker 3: Or you want it, or for for.

498
00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:05,239
Speaker 11: All Americans that get it, all Americans that need it.

499
00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 11: So we're going to be paying for that drape.

500
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,280
Speaker 12: And or we're going to be mandating that the insurance

501
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:09,960
Speaker 12: company plays.

502
00:27:10,160 --> 00:27:12,400
Speaker 2: So either either the government will pay for it or

503
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:14,119
Speaker 2: the insurance companies under a mandate.

504
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:17,680
Speaker 4: Yes, that did not happen. He campaigned on that and

505
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,600
Speaker 4: just giving that false hope to people struggling with infertility

506
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 4: who can't afford the Like I said, thirty to sixty

507
00:27:23,920 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 4: to god knows how much thousands of dollars is pretty sick.

508
00:27:28,000 --> 00:27:30,440
Speaker 3: It's particularly weird when I understand this is this thing

509
00:27:30,480 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 3: that like his party is not united on, but like

510
00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 3: they've gone after not having to pay for other reproductive

511
00:27:36,040 --> 00:27:41,280
Speaker 3: health care right and like specifically I'm talking mostly about

512
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:45,320
Speaker 3: abortions here right, like that insurers or employers would not

513
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 3: have to pay for it, and that that's a demand

514
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 3: that you constantly hear on the right, Like, I guess

515
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 3: it this is such a strange issue for them because

516
00:27:53,440 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 3: I guess it's one of the few areas where there's

517
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:58,639
Speaker 3: still like some division where they haven't all just like

518
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: fallen into life on it.

519
00:28:01,160 --> 00:28:01,360
Speaker 13: Right.

520
00:28:01,880 --> 00:28:03,720
Speaker 4: And right after he was elected, it was in the

521
00:28:03,760 --> 00:28:06,080
Speaker 4: middle of February twenty twenty five, you put on an

522
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:09,080
Speaker 4: executive order that said, end quote to support American families

523
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:12,800
Speaker 4: is the policy of my administration to ensure reliable access

524
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:17,400
Speaker 4: to the IVF treatment, including by easy unnecessary statutory regulatory

525
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,879
Speaker 4: burdens to make IVF treatment drastically more affordable. Okay, so

526
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,920
Speaker 4: he's already gone back on the promise from money campaign,

527
00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:28,000
Speaker 4: but that didn't stop him from doing this.

528
00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:32,440
Speaker 11: We're going to have tremendous, tremendous goodies in the bag

529
00:28:32,560 --> 00:28:35,960
Speaker 11: for women to hold women between the fertilization or all

530
00:28:36,000 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 11: of the other things that we're talking about.

531
00:28:37,640 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 12: It's going to be it's going to be grace. We're

532
00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 12: joined today. Horrible word fertilization. I'm I'm still very proud

533
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 12: of it.

534
00:28:50,120 --> 00:28:50,640
Speaker 10: I don't care.

535
00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 12: I'll be known as the fertilization President.

536
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:58,920
Speaker 2: That that's okay, that's not bad. That's not bad.

537
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,800
Speaker 10: I've I've been called I've been called much worse.

538
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah you have.

539
00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:08,440
Speaker 3: That's it.

540
00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't expect that one. Today.

541
00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,400
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's so insane.

542
00:29:14,800 --> 00:29:17,239
Speaker 4: And then back in last October, they put out like

543
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 4: one of their like White House fact sheets, you know,

544
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 4: fact sheet President J. Trump announces action to lower costs

545
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 4: and expand access to in vitro fertilization IVF and high

546
00:29:27,240 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 4: quality fertility care and for the American Society for Reproductive Medicine.

547
00:29:31,720 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 4: You can read this on the White House website, but

548
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 4: this summary pretty much covers it. It's that the Trump

549
00:29:35,760 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 4: administration's ivfinition contains two king components. The first is a

550
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 4: drug pricing agreement with far supertical company EMD Serrano provides

551
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,160
Speaker 4: discounts on the list prices of select IVF medications. These

552
00:29:47,160 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 4: medications will be offered at a lower cost to eligible

553
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 4: users through a government operated portal trump RX dot CoV

554
00:29:55,040 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 4: and preliminary federal estimates from the Centers for Medicare and

555
00:29:58,880 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 4: Medicaid Services suggest potential savings of up to twenty two

556
00:30:02,440 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: hundred dollars per treatment cycle for medications alone. So trumprx

557
00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,880
Speaker 4: dot gov launched this month in February twenty twenty six.

558
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,480
Speaker 4: It's a government hosted website that serves as a facilitator

559
00:30:12,800 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 4: and points Americans to drug makers direct to consumer websites

560
00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 4: where they can make purchases.

561
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:19,440
Speaker 1: It also provides coupons.

562
00:30:18,920 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 4: To use it Pharma disease and it seems basically like

563
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:26,080
Speaker 4: a government version of good RX and is very similar

564
00:30:26,360 --> 00:30:29,040
Speaker 4: to Mark Cuban's Cost plus Drugs, which has a lot

565
00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 4: of the same medications with similar discounts, including the same

566
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:37,160
Speaker 4: kind of medications for fertility and per ASMR. Again, this

567
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,720
Speaker 4: move alone does not make IVF attainable for most patients.

568
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 4: Fertility drugs represent only one portion of the overall cost

569
00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:45,600
Speaker 4: of care, and patients without good insurance coverage continue to

570
00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:50,000
Speaker 4: face significant out of it expensive Trump has repeatedly promised

571
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:53,800
Speaker 4: to make IVF University successful. This announcement does not fulfill

572
00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:57,640
Speaker 4: that promise. Meaningful progress requires policies that ensure all Americans

573
00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 4: who need medical assistance to build their families and access

574
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:01,080
Speaker 4: that care.

575
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 2: Also, by the way, you can't use your insurance with

576
00:31:03,920 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: Trump are x. So yeah, it's an either roll. It's yeah.

577
00:31:09,240 --> 00:31:09,960
Speaker 1: Great to note.

578
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 4: He specifically brought this up in last night's State of

579
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 4: the Union during one of his what I call a

580
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,720
Speaker 4: propo I think back to like the Hunger CAG what

581
00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,400
Speaker 4: I call a propo, which is when they like bring

582
00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 4: people out. I like dates back to like Reagan and

583
00:31:24,800 --> 00:31:26,720
Speaker 4: when they bring people out to be like and this

584
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 4: person here. But it just was such a bizarre thing

585
00:31:31,200 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 4: to bring up. And you know, Trump's State of the

586
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 4: Union was the longest of all time.

587
00:31:36,560 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think so.

588
00:31:37,920 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 4: And he spent a total of five minutes on healthcare alone,

589
00:31:42,400 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: and this was part of it.

590
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,360
Speaker 10: And here tonight is the very first customer ever to

591
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:51,520
Speaker 10: get that big discount, and it is big. Katherine Raider.

592
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:55,320
Speaker 10: For five years, she and her husband have struggled with

593
00:31:55,480 --> 00:32:00,760
Speaker 10: infertility and they turned to IVF, one drug has been

594
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:05,160
Speaker 10: costing Catherine four thousand dollars to purchase. But a few

595
00:32:05,200 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 10: weeks ago she logged onto the Trump RX website and

596
00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,320
Speaker 10: got that same drug that costs four thousand dollars, got

597
00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 10: it for under five hundred dollars, a reduction of much

598
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 10: more actually than three thousand, five hundred dollars. Catherine, we

599
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,120
Speaker 10: are all praying for you and you're going to be

600
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:26,400
Speaker 10: a great mom.

601
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:27,360
Speaker 1: Really creepy.

602
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, imagine having the president talking about how you've been boning,

603
00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 3: Like like, what a fucking how you're having trouble, Like

604
00:32:34,080 --> 00:32:35,880
Speaker 3: that's a difficult thing for a lot of people to talk.

605
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:38,400
Speaker 3: Like I've had friends who have gone through IVF as well. Yeah,

606
00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,560
Speaker 3: thing that happens when you're ear thirties, but like it's

607
00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 3: a hard thing for people to talk about, let alone

608
00:32:43,280 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: to have to have it talked about in front of

609
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 3: the whole fucking country.

610
00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:47,120
Speaker 1: Fertility.

611
00:32:47,280 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 4: Infertility is such a personal thing, and it's really to

612
00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:59,560
Speaker 4: use that woman's pain to promote your drug discount website.

613
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: It's pugg it's repugnant.

614
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's still paying five hundred bucks a month,

615
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:06,160
Speaker 3: like like that's just a lot of money.

616
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 1: She's unreal one hundred percent.

617
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 4: While that's not as bad as five thousand, that's so

618
00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 4: much money.

619
00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:15,800
Speaker 1: And it's like, while any discounter.

620
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 4: Fertility related drugs is good, this is not what was promised.

621
00:33:19,680 --> 00:33:23,200
Speaker 4: I've still ridiculously unachievable for most people. He is not

622
00:33:23,480 --> 00:33:29,280
Speaker 4: the father of IVF, And this is fraudulent advertising. Just

623
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 4: a way of like trying to promote his like artificial

624
00:33:34,840 --> 00:33:40,400
Speaker 4: empathy to a wider audience. And it's despicable and fertility

625
00:33:40,400 --> 00:33:43,920
Speaker 4: issues do not need to be played with like that.

626
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: That's what I had on that.

627
00:33:45,000 --> 00:33:46,920
Speaker 4: It was like a very big throwaway comment, but I

628
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:50,040
Speaker 4: thought it was worth talking about because it's been there's

629
00:33:50,080 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 4: been like a linear lead up to what that was,

630
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: and I think it's important.

631
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: To talk about.

632
00:33:56,720 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely.

633
00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, anyways, James, you have more to talk about.

634
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, So going back to Congress before the State of

635
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:10,120
Speaker 3: the Union, Senator bloom Othol's office published a couple of

636
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,800
Speaker 3: documents from two anonymous whistleblowers which show changes in basic

637
00:34:14,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 3: training for er. Er are enforcement removal operations, so they're

638
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 3: one of the branches of ICE. You also have AHSI

639
00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 3: and then the ICE administrative stuff Majorsie homelown, security investigations,

640
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 3: the ER the other people who are supposed to go

641
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:35,359
Speaker 3: out and detain and remove people, right, that is what

642
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:39,799
Speaker 3: they do. The documents show quote cuts of more than

643
00:34:39,840 --> 00:34:43,760
Speaker 3: a dozen significant practice examinations which potential ICE ERO officer

644
00:34:43,800 --> 00:34:47,040
Speaker 3: is no longer must undergo. In fact, the cut is

645
00:34:47,360 --> 00:34:50,080
Speaker 3: sixteen out of a previous total of twenty five. So

646
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,400
Speaker 3: there are now just nine of these practical exams, whereas

647
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:53,879
Speaker 3: before there.

648
00:34:53,760 --> 00:34:54,479
Speaker 2: Were twenty five.

649
00:34:55,040 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 3: The exams to remove include quote judgment, pistol shooting, determine removability,

650
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 3: to encounters to detention and detention to removal, as well

651
00:35:04,280 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 3: as criminal encounters. So these are like exams that would

652
00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:11,040
Speaker 3: test the knowledge of the potential would be ice agent

653
00:35:11,120 --> 00:35:12,160
Speaker 3: on these issues.

654
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:13,680
Speaker 2: Right, So you so you just don't have to know

655
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 2: that anymore? Yeah, well you can you do an open

656
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 2: book test.

657
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:21,440
Speaker 14: Well, it's open book multiple choice, it is now.

658
00:35:22,920 --> 00:35:23,080
Speaker 2: Yea.

659
00:35:24,160 --> 00:35:26,440
Speaker 3: In some cases there isn't a greaded practical exam at all.

660
00:35:26,640 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: It's just passed fail.

661
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 2: An open book multiple.

662
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 3: Choice, Yeah, to determine your understanding of the law, right

663
00:35:35,640 --> 00:35:39,600
Speaker 3: or becoming a testing Yeah, I know, right, I guess

664
00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 3: it's a caveat all of this. By saying like the

665
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,520
Speaker 3: people who killed Alex Pretty and Rennie Good were exceptionally

666
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,720
Speaker 3: well trained, they had been trained for a long time,

667
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:51,640
Speaker 3: they had been in DHS for years and didn't stop

668
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:53,760
Speaker 3: the murdering American citizens industry, I'm.

669
00:35:53,640 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 2: Not saying that.

670
00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:59,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not Joe bidening this, but this is still notable.

671
00:36:00,080 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 2: There is also the wholesale removal.

672
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:05,320
Speaker 3: Of some classes, because these classes that have been removed

673
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:08,400
Speaker 3: include the use of force simulation training that's like a

674
00:36:08,480 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 3: late they watch a video and they have like a

675
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 3: laser pistol. That's how they slate use of force there. Well,

676
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 3: they used to, I guess. Also the training on the

677
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,920
Speaker 3: legal structure of the United States government, ERRO authority, and

678
00:36:20,120 --> 00:36:22,840
Speaker 3: use of force. It also shows a huge reduction in

679
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:26,920
Speaker 3: the overall training, which we also heard from Ryan Schwank

680
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 3: will get to in a minute, but he was a

681
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,760
Speaker 3: former lawyer with ICE who testified to Congress. Toddlines previously

682
00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 3: told Congress at the FLDC, that's a federal law enforcement

683
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:40,680
Speaker 3: training centers in Georgia had been moving from five eight

684
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 3: hour days to six twelve hour days. So although the

685
00:36:44,600 --> 00:36:47,160
Speaker 3: number of training days for ICE agents have been cut,

686
00:36:47,200 --> 00:36:50,200
Speaker 3: the number of training hours was the same. They was

687
00:36:50,280 --> 00:36:52,600
Speaker 3: going to get through with their grind set, I guess,

688
00:36:52,760 --> 00:36:57,440
Speaker 3: but the whistleblower documents show that they're still appearing to

689
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:00,160
Speaker 3: do eight hour days. Like the number of days have

690
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 3: been cutting out, the number of hours of training in

691
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 3: each day has remained the same. There are some longer days,

692
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 3: but mostly those are people who have to make up

693
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: the pt test or like some nights seem to go

694
00:37:11,960 --> 00:37:14,600
Speaker 3: later with practical stuff like first aid and shooting, but

695
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:18,400
Speaker 3: the bulk of the days continued to be eight hours.

696
00:37:18,840 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 3: There are now forty two total days versus seventy five before.

697
00:37:25,000 --> 00:37:28,960
Speaker 3: Some of this was already public actually in certain forums

698
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 3: and subreddits. Era Officer has been posting about like the

699
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,839
Speaker 3: faster training course for a while. The documents show a

700
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:40,720
Speaker 3: target of four thousand and seven new officers in fiscal

701
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,799
Speaker 3: year twenty twenty six. They would aim to have commissioned

702
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:46,600
Speaker 3: four thousand new ICE officers by the end of September.

703
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 3: We also heard from Ryan Schwank who testified to Congress,

704
00:37:51,360 --> 00:37:53,399
Speaker 3: and they published some excerpts in this testimony which I'm

705
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,400
Speaker 3: just going to include here. A couple of quotations quote,

706
00:37:56,480 --> 00:37:58,800
Speaker 3: I am duty bound to tell you the ICE Basic

707
00:37:58,880 --> 00:38:03,280
Speaker 3: Immigration Enforcement Training program is now deficient, defective, and broken.

708
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: And another quote here Without reform, I will graduate thousands

709
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,080
Speaker 3: of new officers who do not know their constitutional duty

710
00:38:09,360 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 3: and do not know the limits of their authority, and

711
00:38:11,760 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 3: do not have the training to recognize an unlawful order. Finally,

712
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,839
Speaker 3: is is lying to Congress and the American people about

713
00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:20,920
Speaker 3: the steps it is taking to ensure its ten thousand

714
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:24,320
Speaker 3: new officers faithfully uphold the Constitution and perform their jobs.

715
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:29,080
Speaker 3: Schwank was hired in twenty twenty one as a Assistant

716
00:38:29,160 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 3: Chief Counsel for the ICE Office Principal Legal Advisor. He

717
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:35,320
Speaker 3: also serves as a resident attorney at Dilly, which is

718
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:38,360
Speaker 3: a detention center for families and children, and at some

719
00:38:38,400 --> 00:38:41,080
Speaker 3: point in this past he was a private practice immigration attorney.

720
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 3: What good lord, this is not like a particularly woke guy,

721
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 3: I would say, And like, none of this is to

722
00:38:48,280 --> 00:38:50,880
Speaker 3: suggest that it would be okay for there to be

723
00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:53,239
Speaker 3: thousands more ICE officers if they were better trained. It

724
00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,360
Speaker 3: still wouldn't. But it does show that the state is

725
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,680
Speaker 3: building a force of people who don't know an unlawful

726
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:03,799
Speaker 3: order is and what their rights are and what their

727
00:39:03,840 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 3: obligations are, and what the rights of the people who they.

728
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 2: Are detaining are.

729
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 3: And talking about the rights of people who are being detained,

730
00:39:12,320 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 3: I want to talk about a development in the case

731
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:18,839
Speaker 3: was the unaccompanied Guatemalan children. People remember that over Labor Day,

732
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:23,319
Speaker 3: the Trump administration tried to deport these children, and they

733
00:39:23,360 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 3: tried a number of like credit lawyer shit like like

734
00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:29,719
Speaker 3: just really like silly, like I don't know did did

735
00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,560
Speaker 3: these legal arguments, which which was kind of supurious to

736
00:39:32,600 --> 00:39:34,719
Speaker 3: get away with it, And they were prevented by a

737
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: restraining order, right if you remember the judge Sparkle Sunan

738
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 3: who was the first judge who issued the restraining order.

739
00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:43,680
Speaker 3: But they did so in the middle of the night

740
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 3: over Labor Day weekend and sent one of their attorneys

741
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 3: to the airport to prevent them.

742
00:39:48,520 --> 00:39:51,400
Speaker 2: Christ. Yeah, truly like last minute stuff.

743
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: The class for that tro and the injunction was quote

744
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,359
Speaker 3: children from Guatemala who are or will be in the

745
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:04,480
Speaker 3: custody of defendants. They all will be lead to the

746
00:40:04,520 --> 00:40:05,640
Speaker 3: next part of our story.

747
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 11: Right.

748
00:40:05,960 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 3: A lawsuit is now alleging that CBP is flouting the

749
00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:13,240
Speaker 3: injunction by returning children when they first enter custody before

750
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:16,200
Speaker 3: they're sent to the Office of Refugee Resettlement. So they

751
00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: kind of tried to previously make this argument that like

752
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: they were with oh, they weren't with ICE, so they

753
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,920
Speaker 3: went with DHS there with o R. Right, So the

754
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:27,200
Speaker 3: Office of Refugee Resettlement is a distinct entity, so they'd

755
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:30,399
Speaker 3: sort of tried this like, oh, there's nothing we can

756
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:34,000
Speaker 3: do to stop the Office of Refugee Resettlement, and that

757
00:40:34,040 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 3: had not worked right. The suit also alleges that quote,

758
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 3: defendants are using misinformation, coercion, threats, and fear to persuade

759
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: children to relinquish their rights and sign paperwork portally accepting

760
00:40:45,280 --> 00:40:50,920
Speaker 3: a form of expedited voluntary return. This is common across DHS.

761
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:54,560
Speaker 3: Rightly in my reporting on Dilly, for instance, Primrose told

762
00:40:54,600 --> 00:40:59,120
Speaker 3: me that the forms for voluntary repatriation are present like

763
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 3: all day and all that in their room. Like any

764
00:41:00,840 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 3: time it gets too much for you, anytime they're too hungry,

765
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 3: too tired, to stressed, too scared, you can sign that

766
00:41:07,080 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 3: formula on a plane and it's all over for You're

767
00:41:10,239 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 3: going back to wherever you fled from. Including the case

768
00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:15,719
Speaker 3: is a claim by an attorney at the National Immigrant

769
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: Justice Center that unaccompanied children have been given a document

770
00:41:19,040 --> 00:41:22,880
Speaker 3: that quote completely misstates, or at least dramatically misrepresents the

771
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 3: immigration laws that apply to unaccompanied immigrant children, and it

772
00:41:26,600 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 3: conveys to vulnerable children threats that are quote in clear

773
00:41:31,920 --> 00:41:35,880
Speaker 3: contravention of the entire system implemented to protect and promote

774
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:39,640
Speaker 3: the safety and best interest of unaccompanied immigrant children. This

775
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,880
Speaker 3: went to the Trafficking Victims Protection re Authorization Act of

776
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:46,080
Speaker 3: two thousand and eight. So what this is suggesting is

777
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 3: that these young people are being provided with essentially it's

778
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,719
Speaker 3: not legal advice, but it's misconstruing the rights that they

779
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,279
Speaker 3: have to be protected, right, and so that they are

780
00:41:56,360 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 3: not being advised properly of the protections that they have

781
00:42:00,920 --> 00:42:03,480
Speaker 3: under law. I'm going to keep an eye on this

782
00:42:03,560 --> 00:42:06,800
Speaker 3: one because I think I don't love the phrase unaccompanied

783
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 3: mine is when we talk about this because these children

784
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 3: after and accompanied, there are people who are with them,

785
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 3: who care for them on their journey here. Right, I've

786
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 3: seen this firsthand. It just means that their immediate family

787
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: are not with them. But like we saw in the

788
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 3: State of the Union last night, right, when the Trump

789
00:42:20,239 --> 00:42:23,520
Speaker 3: administration talks about migrants, it wants to talk about people

790
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 3: who kill children. Right, that is the thing that they

791
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:30,240
Speaker 3: or hurt children. That it's the thing that they trusted

792
00:42:30,280 --> 00:42:32,680
Speaker 3: out a couple of times last night. It is not

793
00:42:32,719 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 3: the migrants who are hurting children in this instance, it

794
00:42:35,120 --> 00:42:38,399
Speaker 3: is the government. These children who came here on their

795
00:42:38,440 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: own to be safe with very few options, right, and

796
00:42:43,120 --> 00:42:45,000
Speaker 3: either their parents couldn't look after them while their parents

797
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:48,719
Speaker 3: aren't around anymore. There is not a more sympathetic case, right,

798
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,319
Speaker 3: There's not a clear example of people we should be

799
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:53,719
Speaker 3: looking after as a state or a community or a

800
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 3: nation or whatever. And the fact that they're trying to

801
00:42:57,080 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 3: turn these children around and boot them back to the

802
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:03,319
Speaker 3: dangerous situation came from is really morally appalling. Well, keep

803
00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 3: reportting on it because I think it is like a

804
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 3: very important thing to shed more light on.

805
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's horrifying, Yeah, just on a basic moral level,

806
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,960
Speaker 2: like being the person whose job it is and the

807
00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 2: apparently doing this job of trying to construct fake legal

808
00:43:21,360 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 2: arguments so you can fucking deport children, Like what the fuck? Yeah,

809
00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:29,000
Speaker 2: it's just so evil.

810
00:43:29,600 --> 00:43:33,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's horrible, like they you know, I've spent

811
00:43:33,800 --> 00:43:35,319
Speaker 3: a lot of time with migrants. I spent a lot

812
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 3: of time with migrants with children. I've known plenty of

813
00:43:38,520 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 3: children who are traveling without their parents. Yeah, and the

814
00:43:42,360 --> 00:43:45,960
Speaker 3: things that they go through just to get here are horrific,

815
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:48,640
Speaker 3: and the things that they're going away from are probably worse.

816
00:43:48,719 --> 00:43:52,000
Speaker 3: And to think that those kids could be booted back

817
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,359
Speaker 3: to the places that they fled within seventy two hours

818
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,640
Speaker 3: of arrival before they're transferred to r right after months

819
00:43:58,680 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 3: potentially years. Is Yeah, it's genuinely appalling to me. Like

820
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:08,360
Speaker 3: few of these things shocked me, but they still disgusted me.

821
00:44:08,760 --> 00:44:11,160
Speaker 3: And I really hope that this is something that will

822
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,719
Speaker 3: continue to get coverage, not just here but elsewhere, because like,

823
00:44:15,440 --> 00:44:20,640
Speaker 3: these are the most egregious wrongs that the immigration system does.

824
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,239
Speaker 1: Let's take a quick break and the meal will be

825
00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 1: back with some terror park.

826
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: Oh what's that?

827
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:39,960
Speaker 13: Oh?

828
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:40,319
Speaker 2: Is it?

829
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: Is it?

830
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,719
Speaker 3: The the dulcet tones of someone who is a Joe's

831
00:44:43,760 --> 00:44:45,759
Speaker 3: Dramma singing the worst clash song?

832
00:44:50,760 --> 00:44:58,879
Speaker 10: Jazz right jazz bar sorry, jazz.

833
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:00,799
Speaker 12: Jazz bock.

834
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 4: I love how consistent you I read that change is

835
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: the worst class song.

836
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:07,879
Speaker 2: It really pass me off.

837
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 3: Like people they think, oh, the clash and then they go, no,

838
00:45:11,560 --> 00:45:13,719
Speaker 3: the song that they played while they were fucking bombing

839
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:17,040
Speaker 3: Iraq in nineteen ninety one that made Joyce Drama cry

840
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: and what she hadn't written it? Yeah, uphold listen to

841
00:45:20,160 --> 00:45:21,440
Speaker 3: other clash songs please?

842
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:28,800
Speaker 2: Oh God, speaking of clashes, Wow, we have finally learned

843
00:45:29,280 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 2: the results of the log awaited Supreme Court case about

844
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 2: specifically the tariffs that were implemented through the International Emergency

845
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 2: Economic Powers Act. Those have been struck down. So this

846
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 2: is the retaliatory tariffs, This is the Liberation Day stuff,

847
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:52,279
Speaker 2: the ones on Canada and Mexico. Some of the tariffs

848
00:45:52,360 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: are still in a fact. We will get to that

849
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,920
Speaker 2: in a second, like for example, the illudinum and steel ones,

850
00:45:56,960 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: et cetera, et cetera, are still in effect. I'm going

851
00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 2: to be doing a full episode about this case and

852
00:46:03,680 --> 00:46:06,600
Speaker 2: about what's going on with tariff policy now, because it's

853
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 2: very convoluted and weird. But what's important for our purposes

854
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:15,000
Speaker 2: here is that in a lot of ways, this is

855
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 2: a very narrow ruling in that it is just specifically

856
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:25,440
Speaker 2: about this one act IEPA, and what it specifically, very

857
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 2: narrowly says is that IEEPA does not give Trump the

858
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:33,680
Speaker 2: authority to do tariffs. What he doesn't say anything about

859
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 2: is his ability to use other acts. And we're going

860
00:46:36,760 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 2: to talk about that in a second. Okay to do tariffs.

861
00:46:39,480 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 2: And it also doesn't say anything and I think this

862
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:46,080
Speaker 2: is actually very important about the completely unhinged state of

863
00:46:46,120 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 2: emergencies that he's been declaring in order to be able

864
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:54,359
Speaker 2: to use IEPA and that's also going to be very

865
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:58,359
Speaker 2: important in a little bit, because there's no ruling on that,

866
00:46:59,280 --> 00:47:02,719
Speaker 2: he's probably to be able to do some of this

867
00:47:02,760 --> 00:47:06,360
Speaker 2: stuff with other tariffs. So basically, immediately after this ruling,

868
00:47:06,400 --> 00:47:11,320
Speaker 2: Trump imposed a ten percent tariff across the board using

869
00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 2: Section one twenty two of the Trade Act in nineteen

870
00:47:13,840 --> 00:47:16,880
Speaker 2: seventy four, he says, So he implements it at ten percent,

871
00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 2: and then the next day he says it's going to

872
00:47:18,400 --> 00:47:21,319
Speaker 2: be fifteen percent. The current rate as of data of

873
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,319
Speaker 2: recording on Wednesday, the one that's actually being assessed at

874
00:47:24,320 --> 00:47:27,279
Speaker 2: customs is ten percent. Because he hasn't signed executive order

875
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:29,840
Speaker 2: to actually lift the fifteen percent. It's all very weird.

876
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:34,919
Speaker 2: It's all very sort of extremely chaotic. So right now

877
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 2: the fifteen percent hasn't gone through. But I want to

878
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 2: talk about this Section one twenty two thing that he's

879
00:47:42,400 --> 00:47:48,520
Speaker 2: using right now, because this is a significantly less broad

880
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 2: authority than the authority he was claiming before. So okay,

881
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 2: first off, it's worth noting that Section one twenty two

882
00:47:55,200 --> 00:47:59,480
Speaker 2: has literally never been used to enforce Harris before for

883
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:01,960
Speaker 2: reasons i'll get into in a second. Because it's very weird,

884
00:48:02,280 --> 00:48:04,640
Speaker 2: and it's also going to be very, very difficult to

885
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,240
Speaker 2: do the kind of Calvin Ball tariff policy Trump wasn't implementing,

886
00:48:08,320 --> 00:48:10,600
Speaker 2: where he just sort of says a thing in a

887
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:14,400
Speaker 2: tariff appears. So the thing about one twenty two is

888
00:48:14,400 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 2: that instead of the thing that Trump was doing before,

889
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 2: where he was just tweeting out a tariff rate for

890
00:48:20,680 --> 00:48:23,360
Speaker 2: an individual country because he was mad at them, section

891
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:25,960
Speaker 2: one twenty two it only allows you to set a

892
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:28,759
Speaker 2: flat tariff rate for every country in the world, and

893
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: the maximum tariff rate is capped at fifteen percent. The

894
00:48:32,600 --> 00:48:34,719
Speaker 2: other thing that's notable about this is that Section one

895
00:48:34,719 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 2: twenty two tariffs also need to be approved by Congress

896
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: after one hundred and fifty days, at least in theory.

897
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 2: The Cato Institute interestingly is arguing that Trump theoretically could

898
00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: just extend it for another one hundred and fifty days

899
00:48:49,200 --> 00:48:52,279
Speaker 2: after the first one. But this this would be a

900
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:54,719
Speaker 2: huge mess because there's no way he can win a

901
00:48:54,800 --> 00:48:58,000
Speaker 2: terrorf vote in Congress. There's just absolutely no way. Now.

902
00:48:58,360 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 2: The other important aspect of this that's very weird that

903
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:04,279
Speaker 2: I think is going to become a very large sort

904
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: of point of discussion in the coming weeks is that

905
00:49:07,680 --> 00:49:11,319
Speaker 2: section one twenty two. So I've read this section. It

906
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:15,320
Speaker 2: says specifically, quote it can only be used to levy

907
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:21,040
Speaker 2: tariff's quote whenever fundamental international payment problems require special import

908
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:25,000
Speaker 2: measures to restrict imports one to deal with large and

909
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:31,160
Speaker 2: serious United States balance of payment deficits. Now that's vague.

910
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,960
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, well, but here's the thing though. Here's the thing.

911
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:36,719
Speaker 2: So I tried to write a version of this where

912
00:49:36,719 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: I tried to explain ballant of payments and what a

913
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: balanced payment deficit is. I'm going to do that in

914
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 2: the other episode. It's too convoluted. But what's really important

915
00:49:45,600 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 2: about this is that Trump has been complaining about trade deficits,

916
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:50,040
Speaker 2: and the state of emergency is over trade deficit. A

917
00:49:50,040 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: trade deficit is not a balance of payment deficit. Balance

918
00:49:53,239 --> 00:49:55,680
Speaker 2: of payments is an accounting identity that has to do

919
00:49:55,800 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 2: with like it's literally like the sum of all exchange

920
00:50:00,200 --> 00:50:02,840
Speaker 2: between everyone in the US and everyone outside of the US.

921
00:50:03,719 --> 00:50:07,319
Speaker 2: So you, by definition, can't have a deficit in it

922
00:50:07,400 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: because it's the accounting identity attracks both sides, right, So

923
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 2: if someone in the US is sending money to someone,

924
00:50:13,120 --> 00:50:15,680
Speaker 2: it tracks both the fact that the used person set

925
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:17,759
Speaker 2: the money and the fact that the other person got

926
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:19,839
Speaker 2: the money, So you can't have a deficit because it's

927
00:50:19,840 --> 00:50:23,440
Speaker 2: always one to one because it's tracking both. Right, So you're.

928
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:25,080
Speaker 1: Saying the limit does not exist.

929
00:50:25,800 --> 00:50:29,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's unhinge. And like you know, and specifically for

930
00:50:29,160 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 2: the US, it is. It is possible to get into

931
00:50:32,520 --> 00:50:36,680
Speaker 2: trouble with ballance of payments if you can't just print

932
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:39,760
Speaker 2: your currency, like if your currency is on the gold Standard,

933
00:50:40,239 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 2: you couldn't theory get in trouble here. Now, a notable

934
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:45,319
Speaker 2: thing about the United States is that we are not

935
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: on the gold Standard, so we literally, even if you

936
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,080
Speaker 2: use definitions of ballants of payment where you could theoretically

937
00:50:52,120 --> 00:50:55,120
Speaker 2: have one of these problems, the US cannot have a

938
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 2: balance of payments crisis. It cannot. It definitionally cannot have

939
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 2: one of these, right. And the thing about this right is,

940
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 2: you're gonna hear a lot of people talking about how

941
00:51:04,200 --> 00:51:06,640
Speaker 2: the US is a balance of payments crisis. If the

942
00:51:06,760 --> 00:51:09,880
Speaker 2: US was having an actual serious balance of payments deficit

943
00:51:10,200 --> 00:51:13,000
Speaker 2: right now, there would be riots in the streets. And

944
00:51:13,160 --> 00:51:16,320
Speaker 2: that's not an exaggeration. This is normally what happens. Normally,

945
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 2: balance of payments crises are a country owes a bunch

946
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: of money and they straight up do not have enough

947
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:25,400
Speaker 2: US dollars to pay that off. And when that happens,

948
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,960
Speaker 2: things happen, like suddenly there's like five hundred person lines

949
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,239
Speaker 2: outside of every gas station because there's not enough money

950
00:51:31,280 --> 00:51:34,560
Speaker 2: to import gas, right, like you can't import food. It's like,

951
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:37,799
Speaker 2: like that is what happens when there's balance of payments crises. Right,

952
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,880
Speaker 2: this is like Sri Lanka in twenty twenty four, and

953
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:41,440
Speaker 2: like that's the kind of thing where you get a

954
00:51:41,440 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 2: balance of payments crisis and people burned down the presidential

955
00:51:43,719 --> 00:51:46,520
Speaker 2: mansion like we don't have one. Yea, this is not happening.

956
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 2: So there's already becoming an attempt to be like, oh,

957
00:51:49,360 --> 00:51:51,800
Speaker 2: the US is a balance of payments deficit, there's a crisis.

958
00:51:51,800 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no nonsense. Gibberius, You're gonna hear this

959
00:51:54,600 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 2: a lot. It's complete nonsense. And it's one of the

960
00:51:58,440 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 2: things that makes me look at this and go, Okay,

961
00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:01,719
Speaker 2: this is the immediate one that he picks. But like,

962
00:52:01,760 --> 00:52:03,799
Speaker 2: this is not going to survive in court because the

963
00:52:03,840 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 2: specific line here where it says fundamental international payment problems,

964
00:52:08,400 --> 00:52:10,480
Speaker 2: like we don't have fundamentally international payment problems, like we

965
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:14,600
Speaker 2: paid all of this gets paid every years. It's funny

966
00:52:14,640 --> 00:52:17,520
Speaker 2: in the Executive Order it says the US sometimes has

967
00:52:17,640 --> 00:52:20,279
Speaker 2: international payment problems, and no it doesn't. It has never

968
00:52:20,320 --> 00:52:24,720
Speaker 2: had international payment problems like on any kind of real scale.

969
00:52:25,080 --> 00:52:27,440
Speaker 2: The closest thing you can do is look back at

970
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 2: periods when the US was again on the gold standards,

971
00:52:30,120 --> 00:52:34,320
Speaker 2: and even then we were fined like it's it's completely gibberish.

972
00:52:34,360 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 2: I'm pissed about this. I'm annoyed that I have to

973
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 2: go back to balance of payment stuff this. So this

974
00:52:41,719 --> 00:52:43,880
Speaker 2: is probably not going to hold up when the inevitable

975
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:48,520
Speaker 2: next lawsuit goes under. However, come up. There are a

976
00:52:48,600 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 2: couple of other trade authorities that he can use that

977
00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,040
Speaker 2: they've been talking about using, and some of them have

978
00:52:54,120 --> 00:52:56,600
Speaker 2: been used already. So broadly, we've been talking about like

979
00:52:56,640 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 2: two kinds of tariffs on this show. We've been talking

980
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 2: about the tariffs that are on a specific country, and

981
00:53:00,800 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 2: those are the ones that are basically gone. We'll get

982
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,719
Speaker 2: to the one exception to that in a second. And

983
00:53:05,760 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 2: then there's been the ones that are on goods. So

984
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:09,400
Speaker 2: if you remember, like THO, there was a there was

985
00:53:09,400 --> 00:53:14,680
Speaker 2: a tariff recently on like vanity cabinets like stuff like yeah, yeah,

986
00:53:14,760 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: I do remember that one. Yeah, really weird niche thing.

987
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 2: Oh gamps, wait wait wait till I talk about what

988
00:53:21,080 --> 00:53:26,200
Speaker 2: the legal authority of tariffs on kitchen cabinets was. There's

989
00:53:26,239 --> 00:53:31,080
Speaker 2: a special constitutional exemption for those. It's so bad. Okay,

990
00:53:31,200 --> 00:53:33,879
Speaker 2: So so this this is this is the section two

991
00:53:33,920 --> 00:53:37,480
Speaker 2: thirty two of the Trade Act, Nextivity four. These are

992
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,839
Speaker 2: these specific tariffs and these ones are supposed to be

993
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,840
Speaker 2: tariffs on goods in response to threats to national security.

994
00:53:45,080 --> 00:53:47,960
Speaker 2: So it's yeah, hang on, join the DUTs for me.

995
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 2: The price of impointed cabinets are being too low.

996
00:53:55,600 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 3: Threat to national security.

997
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 2: It's funny because okay, this is the the legal experts

998
00:54:01,000 --> 00:54:05,800
Speaker 2: think actually can potentially survive challenges because it's national security.

999
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,560
Speaker 2: But it's like, okay, like I get our Supreme Court.

1000
00:54:08,640 --> 00:54:10,400
Speaker 2: The fact that this ruling was six to three is

1001
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:13,799
Speaker 2: frankly ridiculous, given that again, Trump was pretending he had

1002
00:54:13,840 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 2: legal authority to issue tariffs in a bill that literally

1003
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:18,480
Speaker 2: never says the word tariff and had never been used

1004
00:54:18,520 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 2: to raise a tariff before. Okay, So like Supreme Court

1005
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,560
Speaker 2: was like, okay, well that's nonsense. And even I, who

1006
00:54:23,600 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: was extremely cynical about the Supreme Court, do not think

1007
00:54:26,040 --> 00:54:29,120
Speaker 2: that you can compellingly argue in front of a court.

1008
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 2: And this probably won't even go to the Supreme Court

1009
00:54:31,160 --> 00:54:33,960
Speaker 2: like that you can compellingly argue that is it is

1010
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,120
Speaker 2: part of the national security interest of the United States

1011
00:54:36,400 --> 00:54:44,919
Speaker 2: that the American cabinet makers mildly out compete foreign cabinet. Wow. Yeah,

1012
00:54:44,920 --> 00:54:45,719
Speaker 2: that's a weird one.

1013
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,520
Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, national security and like terrorism, Joe, the

1014
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 3: magic words when it comes to the Constitution.

1015
00:54:53,080 --> 00:54:57,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, but in this case, okay, like I really seriously

1016
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: with a stream it's gonna walk up there.

1017
00:55:00,640 --> 00:55:07,520
Speaker 14: National security, right, yeah, they've done some wild stuff in

1018
00:55:07,560 --> 00:55:07,919
Speaker 14: the court.

1019
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1020
00:55:09,640 --> 00:55:12,160
Speaker 3: It was interesting to what, like you say, you were saying,

1021
00:55:12,200 --> 00:55:14,400
Speaker 3: like how much he'll get past the court. It was

1022
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 3: interesting to watch the Supreme Court justices in the State

1023
00:55:16,880 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: of the Union just like, oh yeah, just grimacing through it.

1024
00:55:21,360 --> 00:55:24,239
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, he was so mad at them.

1025
00:55:24,280 --> 00:55:27,719
Speaker 4: They're usually pretty stoic, but there was a serious grimace

1026
00:55:27,800 --> 00:55:28,640
Speaker 4: action going.

1027
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:29,279
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1028
00:55:29,880 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 14: Yeah.

1029
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:35,080
Speaker 3: There was no attempt to hide that particular face, right, yeah.

1030
00:55:35,160 --> 00:55:38,240
Speaker 4: I don't know if we've ever had a sitting president,

1031
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:41,800
Speaker 4: like school the Supreme Court in a state of the Union.

1032
00:55:41,840 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: In that way, I.

1033
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:46,480
Speaker 2: Think maybe it is possible IFTR did it.

1034
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:49,160
Speaker 14: Yeah, I was gonna say, I can see the FTR

1035
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:51,240
Speaker 14: did try to pack the court at what point.

1036
00:55:51,880 --> 00:55:54,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was at least funnier.

1037
00:55:55,719 --> 00:55:57,080
Speaker 3: Or at least back in the day when they used

1038
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,520
Speaker 3: to like fight on the floor of Congress like something.

1039
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: Back then, those were the days.

1040
00:56:03,560 --> 00:56:06,560
Speaker 2: So there's there's one more trade thing I think we're

1041
00:56:06,600 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 2: talking about here in terms in terms of of where

1042
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,279
Speaker 2: more terif aulorady can come from, and that's section three

1043
00:56:12,360 --> 00:56:15,839
Speaker 2: oh one of that same TERR Effact. And this is

1044
00:56:15,880 --> 00:56:19,759
Speaker 2: the one where so a lot of the tariffs on

1045
00:56:19,920 --> 00:56:22,920
Speaker 2: China are actually still in effect because a lot of

1046
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,480
Speaker 2: those tariffs are actually from the first Trump administration and

1047
00:56:25,480 --> 00:56:31,320
Speaker 2: then Biden continued them because it's yeah, they hate China.

1048
00:56:32,440 --> 00:56:36,960
Speaker 2: I quite seriously do not have a better than that. Yeah,

1049
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: but section three oh one is specifically for quote, unfair

1050
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:44,680
Speaker 2: trade practices. Yeah, no, like unfair.

1051
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,960
Speaker 3: It's such a strange word to use in legislation, right,

1052
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 3: like what what do we what do we mean by that?

1053
00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:55,120
Speaker 2: Well, so, like in the original context, it was like

1054
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,799
Speaker 2: supposed to be an anti protectionist thing, okay, but it's

1055
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:00,719
Speaker 2: also like, yeah, people are like, oh my god, it's

1056
00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:03,600
Speaker 2: unfair of that, Like the Chinese companies get money from

1057
00:57:03,600 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 2: the governments, and I'm like, all of you get fucking

1058
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:08,160
Speaker 2: money from the government all the time. What are you

1059
00:57:08,200 --> 00:57:09,879
Speaker 2: talkt like yeah.

1060
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:12,080
Speaker 3: And like they're talking about it like it's unfair that

1061
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,640
Speaker 3: the wages are lower in certain countries, you know.

1062
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:16,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, And it's just like do you look at this,

1063
00:57:16,320 --> 00:57:20,440
Speaker 2: And it's like, Okay, the US, the entire US agriculture industry,

1064
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:23,160
Speaker 2: like all of the corn grown in this country is

1065
00:57:23,240 --> 00:57:25,800
Speaker 2: grown because they pass an ag bill every single year

1066
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:29,080
Speaker 2: that does subsidies that are literally illegal for like any

1067
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: other country to have because I specifically got agreements carved

1068
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,200
Speaker 2: out of the free trade statues. Yeah, it's it's absolutely ridiculous.

1069
00:57:35,440 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 2: But you know, this is the one that he's been

1070
00:57:37,240 --> 00:57:40,240
Speaker 2: able to sort of use so far. So I think

1071
00:57:40,240 --> 00:57:41,400
Speaker 2: this is going to be the one that's going to

1072
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:43,680
Speaker 2: be leaned on once the Trump people sort of remember

1073
00:57:43,720 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 2: they have it. But the problem with using three oh

1074
00:57:47,440 --> 00:57:50,720
Speaker 2: one is that there's actual bureaucratic steps you have to do,

1075
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 2: Like you have to like convene a bunch of trade authorities,

1076
00:57:54,200 --> 00:57:58,400
Speaker 2: and you have to have like a specific anti competitive practice. Okay,

1077
00:57:58,760 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 2: so this is awesome. I think going to be very

1078
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: vulnerable to legal challenges, except probably on China because you

1079
00:58:05,640 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 2: actually have to go through and designate what the legal

1080
00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,400
Speaker 2: practices are, and I mean usually the process six months,

1081
00:58:11,800 --> 00:58:17,120
Speaker 2: even when you're moving quickly. So there's also I guess

1082
00:58:17,320 --> 00:58:21,120
Speaker 2: what I would call the sort of like the secret

1083
00:58:21,240 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 2: dark mode option where they just start doing the nightmare

1084
00:58:25,400 --> 00:58:27,960
Speaker 2: or stuff. This is something that I think it was hazlit.

1085
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:32,080
Speaker 2: One of Trump's officials talked about this last year is

1086
00:58:32,160 --> 00:58:36,640
Speaker 2: potentially using the Smooth Harley Tariff Act.

1087
00:58:36,480 --> 00:58:38,920
Speaker 3: Like the nineteen thirties as.

1088
00:58:38,760 --> 00:58:40,920
Speaker 2: Like yep, yeah, yeah, the one the one that is

1089
00:58:41,000 --> 00:58:43,480
Speaker 2: very famous for exacerbating the Great Depression. Yeah, that when

1090
00:58:43,520 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 2: I land about in high school. Yep. It's also the

1091
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:52,040
Speaker 2: other thing about this, right, is this act is not

1092
00:58:52,120 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 2: on the books anymore. Okay, because well, so, okay, so

1093
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,400
Speaker 2: I've seen a conflicting explanation to this. Some people are

1094
00:58:58,440 --> 00:59:01,120
Speaker 2: just confused. I think the explanation of it that I've

1095
00:59:01,160 --> 00:59:03,000
Speaker 2: seen is that it was superseded by sections of the

1096
00:59:03,080 --> 00:59:05,560
Speaker 2: nineteen seventy four Trade Act. Okay, so it's not even

1097
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:08,840
Speaker 2: clear if this is in effect, but this is in theory,

1098
00:59:09,120 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 2: like the sort of like dark maga, like we're reaching

1099
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:14,240
Speaker 2: into the bag and pulling trade authority out of something

1100
00:59:14,800 --> 00:59:15,920
Speaker 2: button they could reach for.

1101
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,360
Speaker 3: Right, yeah, we take that and before with like title

1102
00:59:19,400 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 3: forty two and stuff. Right yeah, the title thirty two

1103
00:59:22,440 --> 00:59:25,760
Speaker 3: it is to stop people with tuberculosis, like back in

1104
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,880
Speaker 3: the day. That was the idea behind it, and they

1105
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,480
Speaker 3: pulled it out in twenty twenty, right, and then Biden

1106
00:59:30,680 --> 00:59:33,400
Speaker 3: just like this, Harris kept it for much longer than trap.

1107
00:59:33,440 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. But I think this is and this is I

1108
00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,120
Speaker 2: think actually a very significant moment for the Supreme Court.

1109
00:59:38,720 --> 00:59:41,680
Speaker 2: And I think sexual bank independence will eventually become this

1110
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:43,720
Speaker 2: if and when this gets this gets to the courts.

1111
00:59:44,360 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 2: But tariffs are sort of the the redline for a

1112
00:59:48,280 --> 00:59:50,640
Speaker 2: couple of the Supreme Court justices who normally sided with

1113
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:55,240
Speaker 2: Trump just specifically because A, I mean, it just says

1114
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 2: in the Constitution that tariffs are specifically think that Congress

1115
00:59:58,760 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 2: does so just be like, oh, they gave me the

1116
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:04,480
Speaker 2: power to do this unless they like explicitly set it.

1117
01:00:04,520 --> 01:00:07,160
Speaker 2: But then b it's it's this is this is a

1118
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 2: financial red light, right, like this is this this is

1119
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:11,560
Speaker 2: the point at which you're fucking with the money. So

1120
01:00:11,640 --> 01:00:13,360
Speaker 2: this is the point where the Supreme Court was like,

1121
01:00:13,840 --> 01:00:16,560
Speaker 2: you know, we've we've let you just make up laws

1122
01:00:17,600 --> 01:00:19,480
Speaker 2: in a whole bunch of other cases. But this is

1123
01:00:19,560 --> 01:00:21,240
Speaker 2: this is the actual limit of it when it comes

1124
01:00:21,240 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 2: to authority that really significantly like destroys the American economy.

1125
01:00:26,560 --> 01:00:30,960
Speaker 14: Yeah, like the economy has more rights and people. Yeah, absolutely,

1126
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:33,760
Speaker 14: this is the way that it's always been. I also

1127
01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 14: want to mention one closing thing on the terriffs is

1128
01:00:35,800 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 14: that the Supreme Court didn't answer the question of if

1129
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,800
Speaker 14: people are going to get their money back and how

1130
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 14: the refunds are going to work. Sure didn't, Nope, And

1131
01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:45,920
Speaker 14: I think it's because they couldn't get agreement on it,

1132
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,560
Speaker 14: because this ruling is kind of a mess in that

1133
01:00:48,640 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 14: it's like this like weird fractured coalition of justices or

1134
01:00:52,800 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 14: like parts of them agree on part of it, and

1135
01:00:55,240 --> 01:00:57,960
Speaker 14: there's like parts of the opinion that are agreed by

1136
01:00:58,040 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 14: to by a plurality of the court.

1137
01:00:59,680 --> 01:01:03,360
Speaker 2: And not a majority. It's very weird. But yeah, they

1138
01:01:03,360 --> 01:01:04,720
Speaker 2: have no idea how this is going to work. There's

1139
01:01:04,760 --> 01:01:07,040
Speaker 2: already lawsuits going on to get the money back that

1140
01:01:07,080 --> 01:01:10,440
Speaker 2: have been in place already, So presumably some kind of

1141
01:01:10,840 --> 01:01:14,280
Speaker 2: redispensation's going to happen. It's going to be unbelievably chaotic, Okay,

1142
01:01:14,480 --> 01:01:18,280
Speaker 2: but we will we will keep you updated on how

1143
01:01:18,720 --> 01:01:20,240
Speaker 2: American trade negotiations go.

1144
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:26,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, we reported the news.

1145
01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, put a trans girl on your couch.

1146
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:32,560
Speaker 2: Oh, actually, okay, I have one also really bleak update

1147
01:01:32,960 --> 01:01:34,880
Speaker 2: on put a transgirl on your couch, which is we

1148
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:38,560
Speaker 2: actually got numbers, well they're technically not the first numbers

1149
01:01:38,560 --> 01:01:41,680
Speaker 2: we've gotten, but we got actual good numbers on the

1150
01:01:41,760 --> 01:01:44,919
Speaker 2: number of trans people who've moved, we've like fled their state,

1151
01:01:45,760 --> 01:01:48,560
Speaker 2: like just from mid twenty twenty four to mid twenty

1152
01:01:48,600 --> 01:01:51,920
Speaker 2: twenty five. The statistics suggests that it's it's ten percent

1153
01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,240
Speaker 2: of all trans people, which is four hundred thousand people.

1154
01:01:54,800 --> 01:01:57,720
Speaker 2: I think that's likely an undercount, and that's just the

1155
01:01:57,760 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 2: first half of twenty twenty five. Yeah, that is a

1156
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:04,840
Speaker 2: humanitarian crisis. Like this is an internal migration crisis, right

1157
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,040
Speaker 2: that these are these are internally these have become internally

1158
01:02:07,080 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 2: displaced people. Yes, and yeah, it's hideous and the least

1159
01:02:13,280 --> 01:02:16,560
Speaker 2: that we can do at this moment is putting trans

1160
01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:20,240
Speaker 2: people in your couch because the violence of there folleying

1161
01:02:20,360 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 2: is intensifying.

1162
01:02:21,600 --> 01:02:24,800
Speaker 3: A lot of people actually reached out to our email.

1163
01:02:24,880 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 3: Our email is cool Zone, Tips and proton dot me,

1164
01:02:28,680 --> 01:02:31,840
Speaker 3: and that's mostly for things that you know that we

1165
01:02:31,880 --> 01:02:34,960
Speaker 3: should report on, not for just like general episode ideas.

1166
01:02:35,000 --> 01:02:37,520
Speaker 3: If you're trying to be a be a source for us,

1167
01:02:37,560 --> 01:02:39,800
Speaker 3: so I have some tip of something that you become

1168
01:02:39,840 --> 01:02:42,360
Speaker 3: aware of this and being reported. It's not for like

1169
01:02:42,480 --> 01:02:44,360
Speaker 3: Robert should do this episode on Bastards.

1170
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:45,400
Speaker 2: It's not.

1171
01:02:45,560 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 3: I just want to emphasize once again that it is not.

1172
01:02:49,120 --> 01:02:51,960
Speaker 1: There is a if you want to do that, go

1173
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,800
Speaker 1: to the Bastards subreddit. There is a section for that.

1174
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:55,200
Speaker 2: Thank you.

1175
01:02:56,200 --> 01:02:57,840
Speaker 3: But a lot of people had reached out to be like,

1176
01:02:58,080 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 3: I want to do this, but I don't know of anyone,

1177
01:03:01,360 --> 01:03:03,400
Speaker 3: and obviously I don't want to be like posting online

1178
01:03:03,480 --> 01:03:05,560
Speaker 3: like transfolks come to my house, because that seems like

1179
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 3: weird behavior. So that's something we will try and aggress

1180
01:03:09,360 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 3: like in a more general kind of mutual aid focused

1181
01:03:12,040 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 3: yea a series of episodes that will work on. But

1182
01:03:15,960 --> 01:03:18,600
Speaker 3: those people, it is good that you are trying to

1183
01:03:18,600 --> 01:03:19,120
Speaker 3: do something.

1184
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:23,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, we reported the news.

1185
01:03:24,560 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 2: We reported the news.

1186
01:03:34,080 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 13: It could happen here is a production of cool Zone Media.

1187
01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,840
Speaker 13: For more podcasts from cool Zone Media, visit our website

1188
01:03:39,880 --> 01:03:42,440
Speaker 13: cool zonemedia dot com, or check us out on the

1189
01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:46,440
Speaker 13: iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.

1190
01:03:46,880 --> 01:03:48,760
Speaker 13: We can now find sources where it could happen here

1191
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,640
Speaker 13: listened directly in episode descriptions.

1192
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: Thanks for listening.