1 00:00:02,920 --> 00:00:05,640 Speaker 1: We come to this place for magic. We come to 2 00:00:05,680 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: a MC feed is to laugh, to cry, to care, 3 00:00:10,480 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: because we need that, all of us, that indescribable feeling 4 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,520 Speaker 1: we get when the lights begin to deem and we 5 00:00:17,600 --> 00:00:22,119 Speaker 1: go somewhere we've never been before, not just entertained, but 6 00:00:22,239 --> 00:00:32,239 Speaker 1: somehow reborn. Take together. Okay, for the virgins, they have 7 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: to know that we were in the theater getting ready 8 00:00:35,080 --> 00:00:37,360 Speaker 1: to see Batman, and of course Rose and I just 9 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:41,600 Speaker 1: you know, clutch each other just fully anticipating the Nicole 10 00:00:41,640 --> 00:00:45,599 Speaker 1: Kidman anti theaters and when it started there were definitely 11 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: some other queers in the theater because they applauded when 12 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 1: as soon as Nicole Kidman's the high heel hit the 13 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 1: ground hit. And then towards the end when Nicole Kidman says, 14 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:02,000 Speaker 1: because here they are, the gaze at the back of 15 00:01:02,040 --> 00:01:05,600 Speaker 1: the theater wet. They are perfect units, perfect. It was 16 00:01:05,680 --> 00:01:08,199 Speaker 1: the best hone to set. It was. They were queering 17 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: the space. They were queering the space, as if Batman 18 00:01:12,080 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: isn't queer enough. All of this is to say that 19 00:01:14,560 --> 00:01:18,880 Speaker 1: today we're talking about Batman, both the new film The 20 00:01:18,920 --> 00:01:23,000 Speaker 1: Batman starring Robert Pattinson and Zoe Kravitz and also the 21 00:01:23,120 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 1: Batman and people that Mexicans, that the bad people of yesteryear. 22 00:01:31,520 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 1: Because this is like a virgin the show where we 23 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 1: give yesterday's pop culture today's takes. I'm Rose, damn you 24 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:40,680 Speaker 1: and I'm fran Toronto, and uh, we are going to 25 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: be diving into the Tim Burton and Joel Schumacher eras 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: of Batman. But unlike Joel Schumacher, we will not be 27 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:51,960 Speaker 1: discussing the ten thousand to twenty thousand people we have 28 00:01:52,200 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: slept with. Speak for yourself, babe, this is gonna be 29 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,840 Speaker 1: this is This is a podcast first and foremost about 30 00:02:00,880 --> 00:02:04,680 Speaker 1: taking loads, taking an honor of Joel Schumacher ten to 31 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:07,520 Speaker 1: twenty thousand loads, which is a really big gap to 32 00:02:07,920 --> 00:02:13,600 Speaker 1: Joel Schumacher's twenty thousand load weekends. But first, uh, there's 33 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,880 Speaker 1: a whole other pile of garbage we have to sift 34 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: through from the week's news and pop culture mama Let's research. 35 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:30,440 Speaker 1: As Gina Rodriguez one said, well, the most infuriating thing 36 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: that could have happened on the Drag Race episode on 37 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Friday did happen. And I'm not just talking about the 38 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:40,720 Speaker 1: fact that Apple TV Plus didn't add the episode for 39 00:02:40,760 --> 00:02:44,280 Speaker 1: a full forty eight hours after it premiered. Um, there 40 00:02:44,360 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: was a double save, which it doesn't matter who it is. 41 00:02:48,120 --> 00:02:50,960 Speaker 1: It could be the best drag queens who have ever 42 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 1: competed on the show. It could be two people I 43 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 1: know personally, I never want two people to be saved ever. 44 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: I want a double elimination. When I saw the double 45 00:03:01,000 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: save this week, I just I could hear and and 46 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: Crystal clearly imagine you destroying your furniture and your own home. 47 00:03:09,520 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: Just you told me what I saw you on Saturday. 48 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: You asked if i'd seen Drag Race set and I 49 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,680 Speaker 1: said no, and he said, oh, you're gonna hate You're 50 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 1: gonna hate it. They're gonna be so mad. Um. Yeah, 51 00:03:18,919 --> 00:03:21,840 Speaker 1: there's nothing that's really investing me in this season of 52 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: Drag Race anymore in drag Race UK. Honestly, I just 53 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:28,440 Speaker 1: want willow Hill to win so we can all go home. 54 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 1: The fatigue is real. Yeah, I think what's happening with 55 00:03:32,720 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: willow Hill is like so exciting, Like what a winner, 56 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,160 Speaker 1: what a fierce competitor. I think that, you know, Algeria 57 00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 1: is kind of fading into the middling ground territory. I'm 58 00:03:46,320 --> 00:03:48,920 Speaker 1: just and I think that this double save was just 59 00:03:49,000 --> 00:03:52,320 Speaker 1: like where are the steaks? Girls? Like where is like 60 00:03:52,440 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: my personal stake in this? And similarly with drag Race 61 00:03:55,560 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: UK Versus the World, it's like I don't really care 62 00:03:59,480 --> 00:04:03,040 Speaker 1: about who wins anymore, like it would be nice and 63 00:04:03,920 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely not, Like obviously this episode is going to 64 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: come out a full two days after the finale, so 65 00:04:10,960 --> 00:04:14,320 Speaker 1: none of none of this like even matters. But none 66 00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:18,040 Speaker 1: of it matters anyway because as soon as Pangina was eliminated, 67 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:21,000 Speaker 1: I lost all interest in UK Versus the World. Yeah, oh, 68 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,240 Speaker 1: did you see that Willow Hill came out as trans? Yes? 69 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:31,080 Speaker 1: And I saw Herod's tweet The Herods Herod's tweet that 70 00:04:31,160 --> 00:04:35,280 Speaker 1: was like RuPaul realizing she cast four women on drag 71 00:04:35,400 --> 00:04:37,640 Speaker 1: Race and it's like the meme of the woman destroying 72 00:04:37,680 --> 00:04:41,440 Speaker 1: her house. Um yeah, I feel like some someone got 73 00:04:41,440 --> 00:04:43,880 Speaker 1: fired on the ranch for that one. Yeah, the dolls 74 00:04:43,880 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 1: are dolling because now we have it was started with 75 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:52,159 Speaker 1: Carrie and corn Bread, then Jasmine, then Willow and I 76 00:04:52,160 --> 00:04:54,920 Speaker 1: guess Bosco as well, who I think is out as 77 00:04:55,120 --> 00:04:59,600 Speaker 1: trans feminine trans. So that's like that's like five how 78 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,400 Speaker 1: many when were in this cast? I don't know. Also, 79 00:05:03,680 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: how are we still not at Snatch Game? And when 80 00:05:07,240 --> 00:05:10,599 Speaker 1: they said next week Snatch Game, I was like, I 81 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: was like yeah, I was like how And I am 82 00:05:16,240 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: like such a lover of drag Race, like unlike you, I, 83 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 1: I really do like it is something that I will 84 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:28,919 Speaker 1: always always be excited to sit down and watch. But like, man, 85 00:05:29,240 --> 00:05:31,919 Speaker 1: I think that they're the production and like how these 86 00:05:32,000 --> 00:05:35,560 Speaker 1: seasons are spinning out is like not really keeping me 87 00:05:36,200 --> 00:05:41,640 Speaker 1: plugged into the characters. But anyways, willow Hill Supremacy yea. 88 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,919 Speaker 1: I will also say last week something that I was 89 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: also too sick and dehydrated and exhausted to discuss, probably 90 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:55,760 Speaker 1: to your delight, was the Euphoria finale. I'm so okay, 91 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,040 Speaker 1: let let me go make a copee while this all 92 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 1: start talking to Oh my god, so now put your 93 00:06:04,279 --> 00:06:08,679 Speaker 1: headphones back on. She's literally leaving right now. Come on, Rose, 94 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:12,400 Speaker 1: we need to make the podcast but for the virgins, 95 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: because I know there are a lot of virgins who 96 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,839 Speaker 1: watch Euphoria, which is why it's worth discussing, and also 97 00:06:18,000 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: just like it's an amazing show to you. To me, 98 00:06:22,240 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 1: I felt like the finale was great, but I felt 99 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:33,680 Speaker 1: like the play within a play was better. I felt 100 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: like the play within a play did was so successful 101 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 1: at making fun of Euphoria as a show, like making 102 00:06:40,480 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: fun of all the things that are really extreme about 103 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:49,000 Speaker 1: literally euphoria the TV show, from the homo eroticism of 104 00:06:49,200 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: Nate to like how slutty all of these characters are too, 105 00:06:54,279 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 1: the really high stakes drama. Like it actually kind of 106 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: brought the show back to you. Even though obviously everyone's saying, 107 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: like the budget of this play is like absolutely crazy, 108 00:07:05,839 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 1: I felt like it was totally earned because, um, I 109 00:07:10,160 --> 00:07:12,240 Speaker 1: don't know when I you into an art school, I 110 00:07:12,280 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 1: went to an extremely arts driven school. Um, we had 111 00:07:16,840 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: sets that we're on like you know, macinated like rotators, 112 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 1: like we we and like I know that so did 113 00:07:24,200 --> 00:07:26,640 Speaker 1: we all, although we also did the thing a lot 114 00:07:26,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: where you have, um, one of those big rolling staircases 115 00:07:30,680 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 1: that that like stand in for for every possible type 116 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: of structure or whatever happened. Yeah, And that's the thing is, 117 00:07:39,640 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: like I think our high school imaginations are so active 118 00:07:43,280 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 1: that like our heightened sense of reality makes that experience 119 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: like like this is the best thing that's ever happening, 120 00:07:51,600 --> 00:07:55,000 Speaker 1: Like in our brains, it's like so so brilliant and 121 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:57,960 Speaker 1: gorgeous and amazing, but like, when you actually look at it, 122 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,320 Speaker 1: it's like a bunch of plywood painted by you know, 123 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:03,000 Speaker 1: kids that were in detention, not in my school. You 124 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:05,280 Speaker 1: had to, like, you had to sign up to paint 125 00:08:05,320 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: those sides. We had a shop class, but there weren't 126 00:08:07,800 --> 00:08:09,720 Speaker 1: enough people signed up for shop and so I think 127 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:14,760 Speaker 1: detention kids also had to make our stage sets. But yeah, 128 00:08:14,920 --> 00:08:17,280 Speaker 1: I won't harpen it anymore other than to say that 129 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 1: I felt like all the empathy that I was like 130 00:08:20,520 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: led to feel about Lexi, I really did not feel 131 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:26,600 Speaker 1: for this whole season until her play, and then I 132 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: felt like her play totally earned all of this character 133 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:34,040 Speaker 1: development that we had been witnessing. And yeah, I just 134 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,600 Speaker 1: totally enjoyed it, even if if we love to see 135 00:08:36,640 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 1: him a nepotism baby succeeding good from Apata. Were you, 136 00:08:41,880 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: I guess satisfied with the end of the season. I 137 00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:50,040 Speaker 1: felt like there was an over emphasis on Lexi in 138 00:08:50,400 --> 00:08:53,800 Speaker 1: the last half of the finale. I kind of wanted 139 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,400 Speaker 1: to go back to more core characters um but that 140 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,679 Speaker 1: the episode really landed with Lexians and Day. But overall, 141 00:09:01,840 --> 00:09:05,200 Speaker 1: the big takeaways honestly are one that Nate has a 142 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: recurring nightmare that he's getting fucked by his dad. They 143 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: shall flash of it at some point and unfortunately, um 144 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:14,480 Speaker 1: it was it was kind of hot. And and the 145 00:09:14,559 --> 00:09:17,400 Speaker 1: other thing was that did you know the Alexa Demi 146 00:09:17,480 --> 00:09:23,120 Speaker 1: it's actually pronounced Alexa Demi. I didn't, but I guess 147 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: like she was born in like nineteen twenties barrets, so 148 00:09:28,080 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 1: that makes sense, right, Yeah, yeah, when she co wrote 149 00:09:31,640 --> 00:09:38,440 Speaker 1: the Declaration of Independence, she said it's Demi, not which 150 00:09:38,480 --> 00:09:43,360 Speaker 1: she emerged from the Primordials when she actually cracked open 151 00:09:43,920 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: the continents from from the from Alexa Alexa Demi was 152 00:09:54,280 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: actually the meteor that killed the dinosaurs. Absolutely, But yeah, 153 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 1: that that those are all of my euphoria not so 154 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: hot takes that are you know? Weeks late? Great, So 155 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:10,600 Speaker 1: very excited to not ever talk about Euphoria again. And 156 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:15,120 Speaker 1: like there's not going to be another season anytime soon, right, Well, 157 00:10:15,160 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: this second season we had to wait for a really 158 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:20,560 Speaker 1: long time because of the pandemic, so we actually might 159 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,640 Speaker 1: get a third season sooner than you think, babe. Oh god, 160 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:30,480 Speaker 1: that's horrible. Well, I spent my Sunday night watching Fresh, 161 00:10:30,559 --> 00:10:35,839 Speaker 1: which is a new Hulu movie starring Sebastian Stand a 162 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: k a. The Winter Soldier and Daisy Edgar Jones, who 163 00:10:40,920 --> 00:10:45,600 Speaker 1: was in Normal People The Sally Rooney TV Show with 164 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 1: Phoebe Bridgers boyfriend. And I loved it. I had like 165 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: been wanting to watch it, and then I saw a 166 00:10:52,000 --> 00:10:54,000 Speaker 1: TikTok where someone was reviewing it and saying it was 167 00:10:54,040 --> 00:10:56,760 Speaker 1: really good but that the ending was bad. And I 168 00:10:56,800 --> 00:10:58,840 Speaker 1: watched the movie and like was waiting for the ending 169 00:10:58,880 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: to be bad, and it like it really wasn't. I 170 00:11:01,400 --> 00:11:04,360 Speaker 1: actually really liked the ending. So don't trust everything you 171 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:09,360 Speaker 1: see on TikTok. But so it is about this girl 172 00:11:09,720 --> 00:11:13,560 Speaker 1: who is kind of a loner and she means she's 173 00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 1: like having all these horrible tender dates and then meets 174 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 1: Sebastian stand in a grocery store and they start dating 175 00:11:21,040 --> 00:11:24,000 Speaker 1: and then he asked if she wants to go away 176 00:11:24,000 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 1: for the weekend, and they go to his house upstate 177 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,560 Speaker 1: and he said that he's a doctor, and like she 178 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: he takes her to his house and drugs her and 179 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:37,960 Speaker 1: she wakes up chained up in his basement because he 180 00:11:38,120 --> 00:11:42,600 Speaker 1: sells human flesh on the black market to really wealthy people. 181 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,120 Speaker 1: Is this like a gooey gory kind of horror? Is 182 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: it more art artful kind of It's like it's actually 183 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:53,319 Speaker 1: like pretty funny and it's not too graphic, Like I 184 00:11:53,320 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 1: would not have gotten funny from what you describe. No, 185 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 1: it's funny. It loves Like. One of the interesting things 186 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:02,960 Speaker 1: was that the title card of the movie doesn't happen 187 00:12:03,240 --> 00:12:07,120 Speaker 1: for like twenty minutes, so like you get there full 188 00:12:07,200 --> 00:12:12,400 Speaker 1: like rum com you know, meet cute dating, blah blah blah, 189 00:12:12,679 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: and then like twenty minutes in when she wakes up 190 00:12:15,080 --> 00:12:17,640 Speaker 1: chained up in the basement, then like the title card 191 00:12:17,679 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: and the credits come on, so it's like now the 192 00:12:20,559 --> 00:12:25,559 Speaker 1: movie has actually started. Um. The gore is not too graphic. Um. 193 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 1: There's one scene where he cuts her ass off because 194 00:12:31,360 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: she's been bad, um, and you kind of see it. 195 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:40,040 Speaker 1: And there's obviously a lot of scenes of him like 196 00:12:40,520 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: carving up human flesh and eating it. But you know, 197 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: there's one scene where he like walks in from a 198 00:12:46,320 --> 00:12:49,840 Speaker 1: run and you know how like some people have things 199 00:12:49,920 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: of purshudo that are like it just like like a 200 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:56,440 Speaker 1: wheel in their kitchen. He has like a human leg 201 00:12:56,559 --> 00:12:59,520 Speaker 1: that he just like takes a little sliver or not 202 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:05,880 Speaker 1: an Erico ham woman. Yeah, it's it's very that. Yeah, 203 00:13:05,920 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: but I really liked it. I mean, obviously I like 204 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:10,840 Speaker 1: a dark, twisted, beautiful fantasy. It reminds me a little 205 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,880 Speaker 1: bit of Perfume. Do you remember that book slash movie. Yeah. 206 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,080 Speaker 1: It also reminded me a lot of my favorite book 207 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 1: from last year, A Certain Hunger by Chelsea G. Summers, 208 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:23,120 Speaker 1: which is also about cannibalism and is like sort of funny. 209 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: There's not a single cannibal cultural object that will escape you, 210 00:13:26,360 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: that's for sure, absolutely not. But um Sebastian stand was 211 00:13:30,160 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: really good in it. He was very like I think 212 00:13:33,200 --> 00:13:36,280 Speaker 1: I forgot from him playing a superhero for so long 213 00:13:36,360 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: that he is very good at being a like douche villain. 214 00:13:39,480 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: Allah his turn on Gossip Girl, and he was very 215 00:13:42,920 --> 00:13:45,920 Speaker 1: sinister but very hot. Oh my god, he could take 216 00:13:45,920 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: a bite out of me anytime. We cannibals are hot, 217 00:13:49,280 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 1: just like cannibals. Cannibals are hot. And I thought the 218 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: ending was very satisfying. I really liked it. Definitely would recommend. 219 00:13:58,760 --> 00:14:01,199 Speaker 1: It's just like, you know, fun little movie, and it's 220 00:14:01,200 --> 00:14:05,200 Speaker 1: on Hulu. Why not. The two satisfying things that I 221 00:14:05,280 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: watched in my flu hayes were Shiva Baby very belated, 222 00:14:09,960 --> 00:14:12,640 Speaker 1: but I didn't realize that it was streamable on HBO Max. 223 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:16,240 Speaker 1: Also something that I unfortunately left off of my best 224 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:20,880 Speaker 1: of Wow, that makes complete sense because it felt like 225 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:25,359 Speaker 1: you wrote it, um. But the gist is almost graduating 226 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:29,680 Speaker 1: from college. Girl is like at a shiva and she 227 00:14:29,760 --> 00:14:32,160 Speaker 1: sees her sugar daddy who she didn't know was married 228 00:14:32,200 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: and has a kid, and also her ex girlfriend. And 229 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:38,760 Speaker 1: the story is fully contained in that house of the Shiva, 230 00:14:38,840 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: which is I think a brilliant conceit. It's a really 231 00:14:41,400 --> 00:14:45,640 Speaker 1: great movie. We love Rachel Snatt also stars Diana a Gronk, 232 00:14:45,840 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 1: a Taylor Swiss rumored ex girlfriend. No wait really, I 233 00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: didn't know that. In music news, Florence and the Machine 234 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 1: dropped another song today, which was and it's it's like 235 00:14:58,400 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: under two minutes. It's just like a little little tease. 236 00:15:02,960 --> 00:15:06,200 Speaker 1: And I am eating my words of saying that Florence 237 00:15:06,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 1: was doing when all the other girls weren't by putting 238 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:12,440 Speaker 1: out a four minute song last week. Well, this one's 239 00:15:12,480 --> 00:15:14,960 Speaker 1: for the talk. Yeah, I don't I don't know if 240 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: this one's going to wind up as a TikTok sound yeah, 241 00:15:17,400 --> 00:15:20,640 Speaker 1: you don't think that breath the yodeling will transcend to 242 00:15:20,760 --> 00:15:24,200 Speaker 1: the TikTok generation. Okay, let's not. Let's not. I'm not 243 00:15:24,240 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: being reductive. I say that as a compliment. Literally, like 244 00:15:27,800 --> 00:15:31,680 Speaker 1: you're all of your favorite artists are breathy yodelers, Bush, 245 00:15:32,120 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: Fiona Apple, Florence welch Um, Alanis Morrissa, like literally all 246 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:41,160 Speaker 1: of them. Okay, you might, you might have a point. 247 00:15:41,920 --> 00:15:43,920 Speaker 1: You might have. The other movie that I wanted to 248 00:15:44,000 --> 00:15:46,920 Speaker 1: quickly endorse, just because I didn't think I would be 249 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,960 Speaker 1: endorsing this movie was three months starring Choice Von and 250 00:15:51,160 --> 00:15:55,400 Speaker 1: Judy Greer. Thank God, another really simple slice of life 251 00:15:55,440 --> 00:15:59,880 Speaker 1: movie about a guy who is like waiting to find 252 00:16:00,080 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: if he has HV or not, which usually takes three 253 00:16:02,960 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: months time after you've been exposed. A movie made a 254 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,240 Speaker 1: decade too late, But like, I feel like that's not 255 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:12,400 Speaker 1: the fall of the movie. I'm sure that it was 256 00:16:12,480 --> 00:16:15,160 Speaker 1: pitched like ten years ago um and has taken this 257 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:17,720 Speaker 1: long to get created. But I just wasn't prepared to 258 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:20,080 Speaker 1: like the movie because I felt like the conceit was 259 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 1: kind of I mean, it sounds off off paper, like 260 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 1: a little basic, but the characters are so rich and 261 00:16:28,280 --> 00:16:31,480 Speaker 1: I did ugly cry because there's some really good grandma 262 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 1: stuff in it, um and I love Grandma content um 263 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: and the I think the emotions and relationships of each 264 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: character were so um real to me, Like I felt 265 00:16:43,200 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 1: like I was totally back in high school. So I 266 00:16:45,960 --> 00:16:48,200 Speaker 1: do recommend it. It's on Paramount plus. I did have 267 00:16:48,360 --> 00:16:52,120 Speaker 1: to borrow someone else's Paramount plus password, but you can 268 00:16:52,120 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: go ahead and do that too, and it's definitely worth it. 269 00:16:54,440 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 1: I won't know, I'm saying you the Virgins. So today 270 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 1: we're talking about Batman because last night we saw the Batman. Oh, 271 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: it's the Batman. It's the Batman. That's a stylistic choice, 272 00:17:21,880 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: of course, of course, um and I think we had both. 273 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: How did you go into this movie? Like you had 274 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:30,679 Speaker 1: seen reviews and stuff? But yeah, I was thinking. I 275 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: was very excited. I've been excited since we saw the 276 00:17:34,640 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: first set photos of Zoe, Um and Robert, but like 277 00:17:38,920 --> 00:17:43,400 Speaker 1: mainly Zoe, Zoe was a moment. Um. Yeah, I was excited. 278 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:48,080 Speaker 1: I've never been like Batman. I'm not like a Batman girl, 279 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: like right or die of I think of all the superheroes, 280 00:17:51,160 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: not necessarily my faith, but this one I was very 281 00:17:55,440 --> 00:17:59,600 Speaker 1: excited for because I like, I guess like in recent years, 282 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,159 Speaker 1: bat And has been even less of the superhero that 283 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,200 Speaker 1: I've been interested in. And I think that's like when 284 00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: bad when when when Ben Affleck's playing him, I'm just 285 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,240 Speaker 1: it's not the vibe. And I think not the vibe 286 00:18:10,359 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: with the kind of the ramping up of the m 287 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:15,080 Speaker 1: c U in general, it just requires so much of 288 00:18:15,119 --> 00:18:18,040 Speaker 1: our kind of cultural attention. Of course, something as big 289 00:18:18,080 --> 00:18:20,239 Speaker 1: as Batman could even fade into the distance. And I 290 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: also I think it's probably because I just like I 291 00:18:22,760 --> 00:18:26,880 Speaker 1: am not really interested in the d C movies. UM, 292 00:18:27,080 --> 00:18:30,679 Speaker 1: So I was happy for something that seemed like a 293 00:18:30,760 --> 00:18:34,040 Speaker 1: soft reboot of that or I guess a hard reboot man. 294 00:18:34,760 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 1: Um And I really liked the movie shockingly, I mean 295 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 1: maybe not shockingly, but I went into it with virtually 296 00:18:41,560 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 1: no expectations, Like all my expectations were for Zoe, and 297 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: the rest of the movie was kind of inconsequential to me. 298 00:18:48,280 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: And you know, you and I agree that this movie, 299 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 1: I mean, why is it three hours long? Like? Why? 300 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: That's the first thing that that you should know, um, 301 00:18:56,760 --> 00:18:59,880 Speaker 1: everyone listening is that this movie is three hours long, 302 00:19:00,119 --> 00:19:03,720 Speaker 1: and it fields three hours, not in a bad way. 303 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,359 Speaker 1: I did not pee once. Yes, I could not, could never, 304 00:19:07,560 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: although I was pissing in my mind the whole time, 305 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: I was pissing spiritually. But it's very long, and if 306 00:19:17,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 1: you do need to take a pea break, I would 307 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,200 Speaker 1: suggest going during the car chase, I think because it's 308 00:19:23,240 --> 00:19:26,640 Speaker 1: in the trailer and you can skip it. They did 309 00:19:26,760 --> 00:19:29,240 Speaker 1: ruin kind of one of the best scenes of the movie. 310 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 1: They really overexposed that that car chase, which I thought 311 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: was so amazing to watch in theaters. It was very fun. 312 00:19:34,960 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: But but you can definitely if you have to pee, 313 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,399 Speaker 1: pe during that. If I were to recommend a pre 314 00:19:39,560 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 1: pea break, I would say in the last third of 315 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,479 Speaker 1: the movie, you know, there's a lot you can't make 316 00:19:43,520 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: it that long. If like the car chase is like 317 00:19:45,920 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: a good midway points on practical reasons, maybe it doesn't 318 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,160 Speaker 1: make sense. However, in the last third of the movie, 319 00:19:51,200 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: there is a lot of you know, my least favorite 320 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:55,560 Speaker 1: parts of the movie, which is a room where just 321 00:19:55,600 --> 00:19:58,879 Speaker 1: two people are talking and there's a lot of Batman 322 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:01,240 Speaker 1: in the Yeah, said, did go on for kind of 323 00:20:01,240 --> 00:20:04,040 Speaker 1: a long and also, um, well, well I don't want 324 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 1: to get into the nitty gritty of the plot, but 325 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: basically there's a lot of exposition that happens the last 326 00:20:07,560 --> 00:20:10,240 Speaker 1: they're to kind of tie together a few missing parts 327 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:12,600 Speaker 1: of this riddle, if you will. We don't have to 328 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: get into like the specifics of the plot, but I 329 00:20:14,880 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: think a general overview is that this is a Batman 330 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:24,320 Speaker 1: movie that takes place two years into Bruce Wayne's new 331 00:20:24,520 --> 00:20:29,960 Speaker 1: career as a vigilante masked crusader who everyone he like 332 00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: always refers to himself as Vengeance. UM, so he's like 333 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: I been around and for like what a few years, 334 00:20:39,080 --> 00:20:43,240 Speaker 1: for two years, And I think one of the things 335 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: that I liked the most about this movie was that 336 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:51,240 Speaker 1: it's not an origin story, but this is not a 337 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:59,080 Speaker 1: fully realized Batman, So you're like dropped into his career 338 00:20:59,119 --> 00:21:02,439 Speaker 1: of crime fighting, but he's still not the best at it. 339 00:21:02,520 --> 00:21:04,960 Speaker 1: He makes a lot of mistakes. One of my favorite 340 00:21:04,960 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: moments of the movie is actually when the car chase 341 00:21:07,920 --> 00:21:11,840 Speaker 1: is about to happen, Batman is like busting up a 342 00:21:11,920 --> 00:21:16,640 Speaker 1: drug deal and he's trying to like intimidate the penguin 343 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:19,720 Speaker 1: by revving up the Batmobile, and then just as he's 344 00:21:19,720 --> 00:21:23,040 Speaker 1: about to like go after him the Batmobile stalls and 345 00:21:23,080 --> 00:21:26,679 Speaker 1: it's like very funny and also like, I just like 346 00:21:26,840 --> 00:21:29,600 Speaker 1: the idea that he hasn't got his ship figured out. 347 00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 1: It was. It was also a nice little spin on 348 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,320 Speaker 1: the Batmobile reveal, which is something that happens in almost 349 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:38,399 Speaker 1: all of the franchises, Like and you know, I liked 350 00:21:38,440 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: that it twisted the ways that we saw that. And 351 00:21:41,119 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 1: this batmobile did kind of look like um, the that 352 00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:49,040 Speaker 1: like Elon Musk tesla, you know, like the one that 353 00:21:49,080 --> 00:21:52,320 Speaker 1: he was driving around New York with Grimes in the back. No, 354 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,640 Speaker 1: it was also reminiscent of kind of the tank batmobile 355 00:21:55,680 --> 00:22:00,439 Speaker 1: that was. No, let's not let's own or as he 356 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:04,440 Speaker 1: Lex Luthor, if Elon Musk is Batman and Grimes is Madonna? 357 00:22:04,480 --> 00:22:06,560 Speaker 1: Did you see the Grimes audition for the Madonna biopic? 358 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: Is Grimes cut woman? Or maybe Grimes is poison Ivy? 359 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 1: Grimes would be poithon Ivy, but like would completely betray 360 00:22:15,320 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: her kind of lady freed what I pulled her plug 361 00:22:19,960 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: this other one woman though? Well, speaking of Grimes, Batman 362 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:28,280 Speaker 1: was kind of rocking Grimes makeup. Let's start with the 363 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,720 Speaker 1: emo pica. Yeah, what do you think she was using? 364 00:22:31,000 --> 00:22:33,600 Speaker 1: My eye definitely. I did like that. There was one 365 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: scene where he was putting the makeup on I want 366 00:22:36,080 --> 00:22:39,320 Speaker 1: the full tutorial, Yeah, as a smudgy Pat McGrath kind 367 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:44,159 Speaker 1: of like dark under eye moment um. One of the 368 00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:46,720 Speaker 1: first things that we reacted to in this movie was 369 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:51,199 Speaker 1: how emo he was. The emoification of Robert Pattinson. Not 370 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: that this is the first time he's been email exactly, 371 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,359 Speaker 1: you know, well that's kind of why he was giving 372 00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,480 Speaker 1: very much. I chimed in with the haven't you people 373 00:22:58,520 --> 00:23:01,800 Speaker 1: ever heard of closing the goddamn door? You know? Yeah, 374 00:23:01,840 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: the penguin comes and he goes, is it to me 375 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:07,679 Speaker 1: that makes you sweatin um? Yeah, I I feel like 376 00:23:07,800 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: you and I immediately were like, this is like so 377 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: like overtly emo, Like it's not you and I are 378 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: very like, you know, uh, we like to be ir 379 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:18,199 Speaker 1: reverend in our takes and like kind of digesting of 380 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,679 Speaker 1: like superhero movies, but it really is explicitly like there 381 00:23:21,760 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 1: was this kind of what was the song that was 382 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 1: playing when we first see there? It was a Nirvana 383 00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: song and he's got the smudgy makeup and like Robert 384 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:35,200 Speaker 1: Pattinson already has that like kind of sensitive, like fragile 385 00:23:35,200 --> 00:23:38,639 Speaker 1: guy kind of thing. I think this was the most 386 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: punk Batman had a cyberpunk vibe, especially in the scenes 387 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:47,439 Speaker 1: that took place in Penguin's Club, which I want to 388 00:23:47,480 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: go to that club two thousand and fourteen. Me would 389 00:23:50,840 --> 00:23:53,600 Speaker 1: have lived in that club. Yes, I loved I mean 390 00:23:53,640 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 1: the Penguin. Let's get into the Penguin as well, because 391 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 1: like I love the club Penguin. Colin Farrell in a 392 00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,560 Speaker 1: fat suit. Unfortunately, Win Farrell in a fat suit? Why 393 00:24:01,600 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 1: Hollywood persists in giving you know, prestige actors fat suits. 394 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,600 Speaker 1: Speaking of I just have to ask, have you ever 395 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: seen Colin Farrell's sex tape. I didn't even know that existing. 396 00:24:12,040 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 1: Oh my god, girl, you have to watch it. He's 397 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:17,159 Speaker 1: like he's going down on this girl. He's like I 398 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:21,200 Speaker 1: could eat this pushing for breakfast, say that he does 399 00:24:21,440 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: very famously. I didn't know that. Yeah, wow, who I 400 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: mean not to not to like glorify in someone's privacy 401 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: being invaded, but like that's it's it's a very good 402 00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: sex tape. Something. Okay, we're jimming around a lot, But 403 00:24:35,480 --> 00:24:37,200 Speaker 1: like I have to say about the Penguin of it 404 00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:41,400 Speaker 1: all that like Colin Farrell is basically doing a Danny 405 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: de Vito impression. I think it's hard to do the 406 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:47,359 Speaker 1: penguin and not do a Danny de Vito impression, but 407 00:24:47,520 --> 00:24:51,240 Speaker 1: was still unfortunately amazing, so good, so good, so made 408 00:24:51,320 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: us laugh out loud so many times. And um, I 409 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:58,080 Speaker 1: will say it is kind of um disorienting to have 410 00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: Colin Farrell where this fat suit and half like these 411 00:25:01,480 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 1: like you know, decrepit scars all over his face, but 412 00:25:04,119 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 1: then he has his like gooey dreamboat eyes. Still very 413 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: distract You did clock that maybe the penguin was gay 414 00:25:11,960 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: because of the club he owned and also the TWINKSI employers. Yes, 415 00:25:15,560 --> 00:25:20,200 Speaker 1: it was playing really good techno music, like Rose approved 416 00:25:20,200 --> 00:25:23,560 Speaker 1: techno music, but you're very picky about techno music. And 417 00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,920 Speaker 1: you Rose said that like as far as the club 418 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 1: scenes go, club scenes across the board in any movie 419 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: are done terribly. Yeah, like they don't. People who make 420 00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: club scenes have probably never been in a club most 421 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:35,560 Speaker 1: of the time. Yeah. I think that the last good 422 00:25:35,560 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 1: club scene before this was, um, the beginning of the 423 00:25:38,440 --> 00:25:41,520 Speaker 1: first Matrix movie. Oh I haven't. I actually will need 424 00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,080 Speaker 1: to revisit um. But this club was so well done 425 00:25:44,160 --> 00:25:46,800 Speaker 1: and it was uncie and like should exist. But the 426 00:25:46,840 --> 00:25:49,200 Speaker 1: fact that the penguin was kind of this mob boss, 427 00:25:49,280 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 1: corrupt club owner that didn't really have the gadgets and 428 00:25:53,440 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 1: gizmos of previous penguins that we've seen. He was not 429 00:25:56,640 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: shooting bullets out of an umbrella. Let's say, it made 430 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: him scary year and more real. I think that that 431 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,679 Speaker 1: is kind of an overall thing about this iteration of 432 00:26:05,680 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: Batman in general is a lot of the different forms 433 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: of villainy and heroism were down to the roots, down 434 00:26:12,280 --> 00:26:16,080 Speaker 1: to what very actually in reality, Like Batman's tools are 435 00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,280 Speaker 1: also much more rudimentary, like they're there are things that could, 436 00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:23,080 Speaker 1: you know, in theory maybe almost exist, you know, like 437 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,240 Speaker 1: as opposed to like except for the part where he 438 00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,280 Speaker 1: was like a flying squirrel, well, I mean that although 439 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,680 Speaker 1: you can do that, you can do that. And I 440 00:26:31,720 --> 00:26:34,800 Speaker 1: liked that it flopped. He he fucked up. That was 441 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: really cool. Okay, So for the listeners, like, there is 442 00:26:38,040 --> 00:26:40,280 Speaker 1: a scene where Robert Patinson is trying to escape off 443 00:26:40,280 --> 00:26:42,600 Speaker 1: of like a tall skyscraper. He has a moment where 444 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: he's like, oh, funk, like I'm really high up, and 445 00:26:45,560 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 1: you see Batman afraid of heights, which is so cool. 446 00:26:48,640 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: But then he just jumps. He gasped, and he looks 447 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: you gasped very loud. I guess I'm a very reactive 448 00:26:55,080 --> 00:26:57,360 Speaker 1: movie watching it for you. But it's really really embarrassing. 449 00:26:57,520 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: It's not unfortunate. I love thank you. That's really sweet. 450 00:27:00,160 --> 00:27:03,360 Speaker 1: But I'm glad you do with it because I just gasped. 451 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: So but well, because we see almost every movie together, 452 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,840 Speaker 1: you know, I've gotten used to it. But he looks 453 00:27:12,000 --> 00:27:15,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous as a flying squirrel, Like, it looks so kind 454 00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 1: of stupid, but I'm glad it does kind of put 455 00:27:17,960 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: It does kind of put you into how scary that 456 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: would be to like jump in the building. Which is 457 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:25,120 Speaker 1: another thing I did like about this movie is that 458 00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: a lot of it kind of felt like a video game, 459 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,160 Speaker 1: especially the scene where so um, once Batman has met 460 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,679 Speaker 1: and kind of teamed up with Catwoman, he sends her 461 00:27:35,720 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: into Penguins Club to do reconnaissance for him using these 462 00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,320 Speaker 1: contact lenses that are cameras, and that felt very like 463 00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:46,720 Speaker 1: kind of first person video gaming, and I think it 464 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,560 Speaker 1: helps you feel kind of like dropped into Batman's world, 465 00:27:51,280 --> 00:27:53,399 Speaker 1: which I thought was cool. I also think this is 466 00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:58,360 Speaker 1: a very good comic book movie like it felt kind 467 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: of Frank Millery. Um, if you've ever I don't know 468 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:05,199 Speaker 1: if you've read any of the older Batman comics, Like 469 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:07,920 Speaker 1: I'm not like super well versed in comics, but this 470 00:28:07,960 --> 00:28:10,239 Speaker 1: did give me kind of like eighties era, very like 471 00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:16,840 Speaker 1: noir e Batman vibes as opposed to Big C g I, 472 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:21,399 Speaker 1: Spectacle Superhero Shenanigan. It was no air. It was moody, 473 00:28:21,680 --> 00:28:25,880 Speaker 1: noirri shadowy like se of the film was shot through 474 00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:29,080 Speaker 1: like wet glass, pretty much like there was a smoky, 475 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,840 Speaker 1: kind of broody like film over the whole thing. It 476 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,919 Speaker 1: looked so cool. The lighting was amazing, all of the 477 00:28:36,960 --> 00:28:41,520 Speaker 1: red lighting. The music was incredible, the music for so 478 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:45,840 Speaker 1: beautiful haunting. Yeah, And I think that like characters like 479 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 1: Colin Ferrell's Penguin or Danny de Vito's Penguin rather also 480 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,680 Speaker 1: lent itself to that noir element, like his. The reveal 481 00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 1: of Penguin starts with it. He goes like, um, like 482 00:28:56,200 --> 00:28:58,640 Speaker 1: day it easy, sweet at or something like that, and 483 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,680 Speaker 1: he sounds like exactly like Danny DeVito, but it's still 484 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:04,440 Speaker 1: the way he delivers it is so noir, you know 485 00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: what I mean. And I think that that's very video 486 00:29:06,800 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 1: gave me and like it kind of. I don't want 487 00:29:09,200 --> 00:29:11,160 Speaker 1: to say camp because like you know, fact, it's call 488 00:29:11,240 --> 00:29:14,120 Speaker 1: everything campy. Well, I don't think there was really anything 489 00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:16,200 Speaker 1: camp about this. Yeah, I'm saying that he was the 490 00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: most cartoonish character in this film. Everyone else played a 491 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:24,040 Speaker 1: more human kind of um understated version of the character, 492 00:29:24,400 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: like Zoe Kravitz for example. You know who I thought 493 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: was excellent so phenomenal is the first Catwoman. I would 494 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: say that was effortless, you know what I mean because 495 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:37,360 Speaker 1: all these other Catwoman's which are all amazing. I like, 496 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:42,320 Speaker 1: I literally yes, cat women people, cat people, if you will, 497 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,000 Speaker 1: I love every iteration, even Halle Berry's Catwoman, Like, I 498 00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:50,840 Speaker 1: will love to wat them that. When we were driving, 499 00:29:51,760 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, I was, I was thinking about that. 500 00:29:55,600 --> 00:29:58,160 Speaker 1: It is very like I mean, honestly, Rob Rob Pattinson 501 00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: was giving a little bat them with those with that, 502 00:30:01,880 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: he was giving a little fluid beauty, the first non 503 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 1: binary batman. I love that. Actually, would watch I feel like, 504 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,320 Speaker 1: you know, you get earth this kind of and you 505 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,479 Speaker 1: have Michelle Fifer, which is doing the most, and then 506 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 1: you have Catwoman, which is like the Razzy Award winner 507 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: to see Zoe Kravitz come in and she really is 508 00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:26,640 Speaker 1: just the sexy, cool catwoman that doesn't have an element 509 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: of camp to her. I was surprised but delighted because 510 00:30:30,000 --> 00:30:32,600 Speaker 1: she was on that Like there was this stupid article 511 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: written about an interview she gave about how she like 512 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:37,960 Speaker 1: licked milk from a bowl to prepare for this roll 513 00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:40,560 Speaker 1: or whatever, and I was like, and she she like, 514 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,800 Speaker 1: I absolutely would watch, but there's no way it was 515 00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:45,680 Speaker 1: whole milk. It had to have been. It was. It was. 516 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:50,200 Speaker 1: It was an alternative, yeah, because that girl is not 517 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: drinking a whole milk. But like, I was like so 518 00:30:53,040 --> 00:30:55,760 Speaker 1: surprised to hear, like, oh, I watched like feeling behavior 519 00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:57,720 Speaker 1: videos and like all the stuff to prepare for the role. 520 00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,520 Speaker 1: She was very slinky, but none of that, none of 521 00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: that really showed up in her. It was just part 522 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:06,280 Speaker 1: of her process and for the better. Like it's we 523 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 1: didn't like I thought that. Honestly, the people that created 524 00:31:09,600 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: the Catwoman movie did Halle Berry so dirty by making 525 00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,440 Speaker 1: her slurp up sushi and like lick milk from a bowl. 526 00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:17,520 Speaker 1: And it's just like like I'm glad that we got 527 00:31:17,520 --> 00:31:19,920 Speaker 1: a Zoe that didn't have to do any of that catch. Yeah, 528 00:31:20,000 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: she was mostly just sexy. Um she was giving kind 529 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,440 Speaker 1: of Natalie Portman in Closer. Um lying is the most 530 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:29,840 Speaker 1: funny girl canna have without taking her clothes off. And 531 00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:32,680 Speaker 1: oh she had these nails that through the entire movie. 532 00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:36,040 Speaker 1: I was like, those are very impractical when you're parkouring 533 00:31:36,160 --> 00:31:40,720 Speaker 1: around of like, uh, you know fire she was parkouring 534 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,680 Speaker 1: was well Batman, but truly at its core, all Batman 535 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:50,000 Speaker 1: films are about Parker, Yes, Parker in hand to hand 536 00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:54,560 Speaker 1: combat because Batman refuses. I forgot that Beatman refuses to 537 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,840 Speaker 1: use a gun. That that's like he's like, no guns, 538 00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:00,800 Speaker 1: but let me beat the ship out of teenage, which 539 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,240 Speaker 1: actually and won't get to other Batman's later, But I 540 00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 1: was watching clips of Anna Hathaway as Catwoman last night 541 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:09,560 Speaker 1: and there's a part where Christian Bale goes no good 542 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:28,080 Speaker 1: and Anne Hathaway goes, where's the fun? In that. Gotham 543 00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:31,880 Speaker 1: very much felt like a character in this movie. I 544 00:32:31,960 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 1: got a better idea of what the city was totally 545 00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,360 Speaker 1: u than other Batman movies, because I think the Christopher 546 00:32:39,360 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 1: Nolan Batman movies it's just kind of like a caricature 547 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: of like a bad city. Yeah it is, and this 548 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: Gotham felt very realized and like did feel more like 549 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: a version of New York rather than like downtown Toronto 550 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,720 Speaker 1: as it does in you know, Christopher Nolan movie. Right. 551 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:00,600 Speaker 1: I wish they had done and they made a little 552 00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,920 Speaker 1: more effort to make Gotham Square Garden look a little 553 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,720 Speaker 1: less like Madison Square Arden. But I think that does 554 00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,520 Speaker 1: kind of the work of like you having to like 555 00:33:09,560 --> 00:33:12,120 Speaker 1: fill in the blanks with your mind to spend disbelief, 556 00:33:12,400 --> 00:33:15,720 Speaker 1: right exactly, and like I bought into it for like 557 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,000 Speaker 1: a lot of the movie, and like, aside from the 558 00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: fact that I do think that Zoe kravitz manicure was 559 00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 1: all wrong, Like I felt like the nail shape was wrong, 560 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 1: and what should it have been? Where to have like 561 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:31,520 Speaker 1: a square nail? No, they were like her nails were 562 00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: to the nail shape was too wide for her finger 563 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: and we're very claw like I know, but they could 564 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,800 Speaker 1: have been thinner. And I feel like she should have 565 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: had a cult, she should have some like chrome on there, 566 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: like a designer like it could have been if it 567 00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:46,560 Speaker 1: was like more real, I would have imagined some nail art, 568 00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:49,440 Speaker 1: you know what I mean she was though, like, oh 569 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: like even at the end when she was fleeing the city, 570 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: full eye makeup look yes, oh yeah, and full like 571 00:33:56,320 --> 00:33:58,720 Speaker 1: she was like, I am running from the law, but 572 00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 1: I definitely have time to sit down and do a 573 00:34:01,440 --> 00:34:05,280 Speaker 1: cut cream to put a cut crease, um smudgy, a 574 00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: smudgy mascara and U Urban TK glitterliner and the Glossier 575 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:13,920 Speaker 1: lid star. She was not using classier. You know. I 576 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:17,839 Speaker 1: did recently watch the Zoe Kravitz Um the Beauty Secrets video, 577 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,440 Speaker 1: and that woman wears virtually no makeup. So I don't 578 00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,959 Speaker 1: know why the book because she's perfect. She's literally perfect. Um. 579 00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,120 Speaker 1: She is putting on her cat I um, but it's 580 00:34:27,160 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: like a dark brown instead of a black, so you 581 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,239 Speaker 1: can barely see it. And she puts on what is 582 00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,640 Speaker 1: like basically like a quarter of a centimeter of like 583 00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: a little catta and she just like smears it barely 584 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:39,719 Speaker 1: with her fingers, like you can barely. She's like high voke, 585 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:41,800 Speaker 1: here's how I look beautiful. And she just looks in 586 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:45,000 Speaker 1: the mirror and she's like done. End of story. Yeah. 587 00:34:45,160 --> 00:34:48,640 Speaker 1: She talks a lot about like natural deodor and as well. Yeah, 588 00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,480 Speaker 1: I get that. Vibe incredible. It's a great it's a 589 00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,319 Speaker 1: great video. Do you think she owns a pair of 590 00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:58,800 Speaker 1: Tom's shoes? No, I think she's one point. I'm sure. 591 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:03,200 Speaker 1: I'm sure you did. Shockingly didn't. But like Tom Shoes 592 00:35:03,560 --> 00:35:06,359 Speaker 1: was absolutely my culture at the time that they came out. 593 00:35:06,600 --> 00:35:09,400 Speaker 1: I love Zoe and everything that she's in. You know 594 00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:12,400 Speaker 1: what I really loved that I'm very sad did not 595 00:35:12,480 --> 00:35:15,800 Speaker 1: get renewed was the High Fidelity show on Hulu. I 596 00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,239 Speaker 1: didn't get renewed. I know it was canceled after one. 597 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:23,240 Speaker 1: I honestly have not been on the Zoe Kravitz prior 598 00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:26,400 Speaker 1: to this movie. I've always admired her as a celebrity, 599 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:31,200 Speaker 1: but I don't really remember her performances outside. Well, she's 600 00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,360 Speaker 1: she's yeah, she's usually kind of just like functional, you know, 601 00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:38,600 Speaker 1: she's there, she's doing her job. Yeah. And then of 602 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 1: course Robert, I mean, well, as everyone knows, this is 603 00:35:42,239 --> 00:35:46,319 Speaker 1: a Twilight stand podcast speaking of it, and you know, 604 00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:50,279 Speaker 1: if the past year has proven anything, it's that every 605 00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:53,520 Speaker 1: tongue that rises against Twilight shell fall. Look at the 606 00:35:53,560 --> 00:35:56,120 Speaker 1: stars of Twilight now one of them is nominated for 607 00:35:56,719 --> 00:36:00,520 Speaker 1: Best Actress at the Oscars and the other one is Batman, 608 00:36:00,800 --> 00:36:03,480 Speaker 1: and I will say, and this is someone who doesn't 609 00:36:03,520 --> 00:36:07,440 Speaker 1: care about Rob Pattinson. Sorry, Rob Pattinson. I think this 610 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,279 Speaker 1: is the best work of his career so far. Like, 611 00:36:10,520 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: and you'll disagree because it's Twilight. As you might say, 612 00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:15,920 Speaker 1: Twilight is the best work of his career, but it's 613 00:36:16,000 --> 00:36:18,560 Speaker 1: my favorite. I don't know about best I would, but 614 00:36:18,640 --> 00:36:22,520 Speaker 1: I I loved I thought he totally disappeared into this Batman. 615 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:24,960 Speaker 1: I completely forgot who he was. And he's such a 616 00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,400 Speaker 1: you know, if we talk about like star versus actress, 617 00:36:28,440 --> 00:36:30,839 Speaker 1: like he is more of a star, you know, like 618 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:33,239 Speaker 1: he is more of like someone who people talk more 619 00:36:33,280 --> 00:36:36,360 Speaker 1: about the tabloids of Rob Pattinson than they do about 620 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:40,279 Speaker 1: his actual acting. But that's why they earned this. Yeah, 621 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,359 Speaker 1: that's why I think Batman is a very good role. 622 00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:46,400 Speaker 1: Because Batman is a character. It is very opaque, and 623 00:36:46,440 --> 00:36:49,400 Speaker 1: I think Rob Pattinson is a person who, because of 624 00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: the tabloid first surrounding him verse whole career, has had 625 00:36:52,719 --> 00:36:55,160 Speaker 1: to make himself into that, like, has had to give 626 00:36:55,200 --> 00:37:00,400 Speaker 1: away very little of himself. So I think he's slatted 627 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,600 Speaker 1: very well into the role of this like billionaire vigilante 628 00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:07,759 Speaker 1: who and that was something that we were talking about 629 00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:10,040 Speaker 1: after the movie last night, is that this is a 630 00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:14,080 Speaker 1: Batman movie that, more than any of them, like attempts 631 00:37:14,120 --> 00:37:18,439 Speaker 1: to reckon with Batman and Bruce Wayne's privilege in a way. 632 00:37:18,560 --> 00:37:24,080 Speaker 1: There there is a part where where Catwoman Selena Kyle says, like, 633 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,960 Speaker 1: you know, you're just like a privileged asshole and you 634 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,319 Speaker 1: know you none, none of these like white men are 635 00:37:29,360 --> 00:37:31,759 Speaker 1: going to get what's coming to them. And it's good 636 00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 1: that she says that, and I like that it's brought up. 637 00:37:33,760 --> 00:37:36,160 Speaker 1: I think it could have been explored a little bit more. 638 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:40,520 Speaker 1: I you know, I said to you, I wished that 639 00:37:40,640 --> 00:37:43,440 Speaker 1: Zoe hadn't used the word privilege, Like I wish they 640 00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,399 Speaker 1: hadn't written the word privilege. But it's so cheap. Yeah, 641 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:48,719 Speaker 1: but in this kind of movie that's going to be 642 00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 1: seen by like the dumbest of the dumb people, like 643 00:37:52,239 --> 00:37:55,359 Speaker 1: you have to spell it out that explicitly. There were 644 00:37:55,400 --> 00:37:57,400 Speaker 1: other ways to do it. I think that when I 645 00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,600 Speaker 1: watched previous Batman movies, I'm like, it's so I just 646 00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,759 Speaker 1: feel like the fatal flaw of Batman is that he 647 00:38:02,880 --> 00:38:05,760 Speaker 1: is a ba billionaire and like it's just there's nothing 648 00:38:05,800 --> 00:38:09,360 Speaker 1: really that interesting. It's that's never investigated or made interesting 649 00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,080 Speaker 1: in any of the previous films. So I like that 650 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,800 Speaker 1: they kind of prodded at that. I have to say. Also, 651 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,880 Speaker 1: I mean, before we dive into like the capitalism of Batman, 652 00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:21,120 Speaker 1: like that on on the broody like kind of nature 653 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:24,440 Speaker 1: of like Rob Pattinson. I like that even though he 654 00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:27,960 Speaker 1: didn't overplay anything, he was still you know, stoic and 655 00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:31,000 Speaker 1: inhuman and that kind of like, you know, totally stone 656 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:35,160 Speaker 1: faced like Batman, we still got this kind of fragile 657 00:38:35,239 --> 00:38:38,080 Speaker 1: emo guy out of him just because of what Rob 658 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,080 Speaker 1: Pattinson looks like. Well, it was very like um, it 659 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:44,240 Speaker 1: was almost like when he was out of the bat suit, 660 00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:47,520 Speaker 1: he was like exposed, like a turtle without its shell, 661 00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:49,839 Speaker 1: and then it was only when he was in the 662 00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:52,759 Speaker 1: suit that he like came alive in a way. My 663 00:38:52,920 --> 00:38:55,759 Speaker 1: one critique on the bat suit is that, I mean, 664 00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:57,440 Speaker 1: aside from the fact that it should have had nipples, 665 00:38:57,680 --> 00:39:03,640 Speaker 1: is that the helmet accentuated Rob Pattinson's already alarmingly triangular head, 666 00:39:03,719 --> 00:39:06,400 Speaker 1: and it made his head look even more triangular. I 667 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:08,479 Speaker 1: thought it was hot. The bottom half of his face 668 00:39:08,560 --> 00:39:12,480 Speaker 1: looked great. But also like I totally disagree with facial 669 00:39:12,560 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: recognition where it is now. He just realistically, and I 670 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,320 Speaker 1: know this is a movie they have to show his face, 671 00:39:18,400 --> 00:39:20,840 Speaker 1: but like the jig would have been up if that 672 00:39:20,920 --> 00:39:23,160 Speaker 1: much of his space was exposed. And also people are 673 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:25,479 Speaker 1: shooting at him all the time, and and it would 674 00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:27,839 Speaker 1: have been very easy for a stray bullet to like 675 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,680 Speaker 1: explode the bottom half of his face. You would think 676 00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:33,080 Speaker 1: that they would have found a movie magic way to 677 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:35,960 Speaker 1: kind of address that by this point, but you know, 678 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:40,440 Speaker 1: it's Batman's fantasy. But yeah, did you know that um 679 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:46,040 Speaker 1: Rob Pattinson wore George Clooney's batsuit for his screen test 680 00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: with Zoe Kravitz. That's hot, and he wore apparently sweatpants 681 00:39:51,000 --> 00:39:52,960 Speaker 1: on the bottom. You know what I you know what 682 00:39:53,000 --> 00:39:55,440 Speaker 1: I was thinking watching this movie is what does Batman 683 00:39:55,520 --> 00:39:59,600 Speaker 1: do in the summer? Like? Does he does? He? Does? He? 684 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:02,600 Speaker 1: Like it doesn't have a sleeveless batsuit. Maybe his pits 685 00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,839 Speaker 1: are exposed because you know, it's all well and good 686 00:40:05,880 --> 00:40:07,840 Speaker 1: to be running around in that suit like in the 687 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,759 Speaker 1: dead of winter. And I imagine even when it's sub 688 00:40:10,840 --> 00:40:14,080 Speaker 1: zero outside, your crotch probably gets a little sweaty. But 689 00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: when it's a hundred degrees in Gotham, he can't be 690 00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:20,080 Speaker 1: running around in the cape. Maybe it's that kind of 691 00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:23,120 Speaker 1: you know, Uniclode heat tech that's like very breathable, you know, 692 00:40:23,200 --> 00:40:27,640 Speaker 1: like he could have some kind of cooling system there. 693 00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:31,040 Speaker 1: He is very wealthy, but but it is so he's 694 00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:32,960 Speaker 1: got to be so hot. Also, let's talk about the 695 00:40:32,960 --> 00:40:35,319 Speaker 1: fact that Batman had a vibe with not one, but 696 00:40:35,400 --> 00:40:38,080 Speaker 1: two men in this movie. I mean, you you think 697 00:40:38,320 --> 00:40:40,600 Speaker 1: you always think that, but I do always think that. 698 00:40:40,640 --> 00:40:42,640 Speaker 1: But I think there was a vibe with him and 699 00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:47,440 Speaker 1: Detective Gordon, and then he also had a vibe with Alfred. Yeah, 700 00:40:47,640 --> 00:40:51,320 Speaker 1: I didn't I caught the Gordon vibe. I didn't catch 701 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,600 Speaker 1: that there was a daddy vibe with Alfred. It was daddy. 702 00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:57,560 Speaker 1: It was it was daddy. It's so funny that, actually, 703 00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,279 Speaker 1: when it comes down to it, every Batman movie is 704 00:41:00,400 --> 00:41:04,280 Speaker 1: high key about daddy issues. All superhero movies about daddy 705 00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,759 Speaker 1: issues and also mommy issues. Like that was the thing 706 00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:10,879 Speaker 1: with with Selena Kyle is like you find out that 707 00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:13,840 Speaker 1: her whole trauma comes back to her mom and her dad. 708 00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 1: Well daddy issues too. Yeah, I think that that, honestly, 709 00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,719 Speaker 1: I mean again, I really loved this movie. I think 710 00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:23,120 Speaker 1: the first thing I said to you when he walked 711 00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,160 Speaker 1: out of the theater is like, it's a totally worthy 712 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,200 Speaker 1: Batman movie. And I thought, well, cast um, but would 713 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: have been a much more compelling film if we haven't 714 00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:37,080 Speaker 1: already gone through ten Batman movies in our lifetime, like 715 00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:41,360 Speaker 1: and I felt like more more, Yeah, definitely probably. And 716 00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:45,560 Speaker 1: I felt like, you know, a lot of Christopher Nolan's 717 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:50,040 Speaker 1: iteration of Batman was, you know, helping us figure out 718 00:41:50,040 --> 00:41:53,439 Speaker 1: more about what Batman's motivations are, what makes him tick, 719 00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:57,240 Speaker 1: like what hit? What is kind of behind Batman's psyche, 720 00:41:57,400 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: and like whether he's good or bad? Well you got 721 00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:02,640 Speaker 1: a little of that in his monologue that built the 722 00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,640 Speaker 1: beginning and the end of the film, which you didn't 723 00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:07,880 Speaker 1: love so much. I didn't love the monologues, but the 724 00:42:08,360 --> 00:42:11,719 Speaker 1: monologues are very Batman. I just felt like, I just 725 00:42:11,760 --> 00:42:16,640 Speaker 1: felt like my issue was that the monologues, which were 726 00:42:16,680 --> 00:42:19,520 Speaker 1: also very broody and philosophical and kind of played to 727 00:42:19,600 --> 00:42:22,960 Speaker 1: this smokey existential loan cowboy is he good or is 728 00:42:23,000 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 1: he good? Is he good or is he bad? Batman 729 00:42:26,040 --> 00:42:28,200 Speaker 1: just kind of regurgitated a lot of what The Dark 730 00:42:28,280 --> 00:42:31,839 Speaker 1: Knight was like or not regurgitated, but it felt like 731 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:35,719 Speaker 1: what The Dark Knight had already explored and to go 732 00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:37,880 Speaker 1: back to where we were, what we were talking about. 733 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:40,560 Speaker 1: I think what the film did that was completely new 734 00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:44,600 Speaker 1: was start to investigate this conversation of I don't even 735 00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:46,480 Speaker 1: want to say privilege again because it's so cheap, but 736 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:50,440 Speaker 1: I think that the notion of was Batman's dad corrupt? 737 00:42:50,719 --> 00:42:53,680 Speaker 1: And is that something that Batman now has to reconcile 738 00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:57,960 Speaker 1: with and like, what is my function as Batman in 739 00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,640 Speaker 1: the totality of society when the villains are sometimes kind 740 00:43:01,640 --> 00:43:04,480 Speaker 1: of right about this, you know what I mean? Yeah, 741 00:43:04,480 --> 00:43:07,320 Speaker 1: which which was like that whole idea is played with 742 00:43:07,320 --> 00:43:10,840 Speaker 1: with the Riddler and his followers because through the whole movie, 743 00:43:10,880 --> 00:43:14,719 Speaker 1: Batman is saying I am vengeance. I am vengeance. And 744 00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:16,719 Speaker 1: then at the end of the movie, one of the 745 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,879 Speaker 1: Riddlers followers says, when Batman says, who are you, he says, 746 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,640 Speaker 1: I am vengeance. So like this whole idea that like 747 00:43:23,120 --> 00:43:25,799 Speaker 1: there is a very thin line between who's the hero 748 00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,600 Speaker 1: who's the villain, and like Batman is the hero of 749 00:43:28,680 --> 00:43:31,799 Speaker 1: his story and some other people's stories, but you know, 750 00:43:31,880 --> 00:43:35,759 Speaker 1: so are these people who think they're saving Gotham in 751 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:39,280 Speaker 1: a different way? Um? And this is I think something 752 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:44,920 Speaker 1: that that all Batman media explores. Um. And also like 753 00:43:45,640 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: I think depending on who is playing Batman and who 754 00:43:48,200 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: is directing, you get a little bit more one way 755 00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:53,640 Speaker 1: or another, because like you know, you think about Michael 756 00:43:53,719 --> 00:43:56,600 Speaker 1: Keaton and like the Tim Burton movies, there's no question 757 00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,120 Speaker 1: of whether Batman is a hero because like because of 758 00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,480 Speaker 1: how cartoonish it is. Yeah, it's a flattening of a 759 00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:04,879 Speaker 1: lot of that franchise, which I guess like we can 760 00:44:04,960 --> 00:44:07,640 Speaker 1: maybe talk a little bit about some of the other 761 00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: ba Batman. And like why Batman, of all the superheroes, 762 00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,680 Speaker 1: there are the most Batman movies And I wonder why 763 00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:20,360 Speaker 1: that is, Like is it because Batman is the most 764 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:27,720 Speaker 1: self insert superhero character? Like because I was thinking about 765 00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:31,760 Speaker 1: in this movie, you know, outside of Batman, like Bruce 766 00:44:31,760 --> 00:44:36,799 Speaker 1: Wayne is such a nonentity, you know, he's just his 767 00:44:37,000 --> 00:44:40,239 Speaker 1: like his personality is like it's only the top line. 768 00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:45,719 Speaker 1: It's like rich superhero. So is that why especially these 769 00:44:45,760 --> 00:44:50,080 Speaker 1: male directors and studios come back to Batman again and 770 00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 1: again because he is the superhero that it's most easy 771 00:44:53,760 --> 00:44:57,919 Speaker 1: for probably like a male audience member to imagine themselves as. 772 00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,359 Speaker 1: And maybe that's why Also this movie felt a little 773 00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,480 Speaker 1: bit like video game me because you know, like you 774 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,439 Speaker 1: may you maybe can't imagine yourself as like Iron Man 775 00:45:07,560 --> 00:45:11,399 Speaker 1: or Thor or Superman is easily, but like you can 776 00:45:11,400 --> 00:45:13,120 Speaker 1: put yourself in the mode of like what if I 777 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,799 Speaker 1: was really rich and had the money to like go 778 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,720 Speaker 1: out in the streets with a mask on and fight crime? Yeah? 779 00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,399 Speaker 1: What would like? What? Yeah? And I think that this 780 00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:26,719 Speaker 1: film specifically, I sought to like investigate that. Um, I 781 00:45:26,719 --> 00:45:30,200 Speaker 1: don't know. I when I think about like the Batman's 782 00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:35,200 Speaker 1: of Yore, I think, I don't know who's your favor Well, 783 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:39,680 Speaker 1: my favorite Batman movie is Batman and Robin, because I 784 00:45:39,680 --> 00:45:41,799 Speaker 1: mean it was very formative for me as a kid. 785 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:47,319 Speaker 1: Poison Ivy specifically, like has influence has influenced so much 786 00:45:47,680 --> 00:45:49,960 Speaker 1: of me as a person in terms of things that 787 00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,399 Speaker 1: I consumed. I was so drawn, as I told lady 788 00:45:52,800 --> 00:45:56,000 Speaker 1: when I pulled her plug, this is the one woman show. 789 00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,239 Speaker 1: I love that movie. I was always drawn to like 790 00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 1: the evil fam I like loved mal Officent growing up. Um, 791 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:05,560 Speaker 1: I loved you know, Poison Ivy I felt like there 792 00:46:05,680 --> 00:46:08,160 Speaker 1: was something I didn't catch on to the parts of 793 00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,520 Speaker 1: the movie that were like bad because I was like, 794 00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:14,040 Speaker 1: what eight or whatever. So I just enjoyed it purely 795 00:46:14,040 --> 00:46:15,840 Speaker 1: as human. Of course, we watch it as an adult. 796 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:17,640 Speaker 1: We watch it because it's kind of a so good 797 00:46:17,680 --> 00:46:22,600 Speaker 1: it's bad movie. But I still love it, like unconditionally. Um, 798 00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,719 Speaker 1: in terms of who my favorite bat Man is, I'm 799 00:46:26,719 --> 00:46:30,600 Speaker 1: gonna be crazy and say that Rob Pattinson is my 800 00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:33,000 Speaker 1: favorite Batman so far. I get it. And this is 801 00:46:33,040 --> 00:46:35,680 Speaker 1: someone who doesn't even care that much about Rob Pattinson, 802 00:46:35,719 --> 00:46:37,839 Speaker 1: But I think I just liked that his his kind 803 00:46:37,880 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: of like pasty, almost schleppy, kind of white guy thing 804 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:47,440 Speaker 1: was uh, something very new, and he leaned into it. 805 00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:50,640 Speaker 1: He leaned into this kind of he felt almost pathetic 806 00:46:51,000 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: at times when he was just Bruce, he felt kind 807 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,520 Speaker 1: of pathetic. He was hot, and I was into that. 808 00:46:56,560 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: I like George Queeney's Batman as well, but like, no, 809 00:46:59,080 --> 00:47:02,479 Speaker 1: it really is Robbed for me and I and UM. 810 00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,319 Speaker 1: I also will say when there's a moment in the 811 00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,520 Speaker 1: beginning of the movie where you see you know Batman, 812 00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:10,919 Speaker 1: he Bruce like takes off his shirt and he sees 813 00:47:10,960 --> 00:47:13,000 Speaker 1: the scars on his back, but he still looks kind 814 00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,400 Speaker 1: of like pasty skinny Rob Pattinson and I turned to 815 00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:17,839 Speaker 1: Rose and I was like, I wonder if they spray 816 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:20,840 Speaker 1: panted his abs this time like they did in Twilight. 817 00:47:20,920 --> 00:47:25,680 Speaker 1: Was it the second or the Moon? Because right, Rob 818 00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:29,400 Speaker 1: famously hates working out. Okay, and then later in the 819 00:47:29,440 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: last third of the movie, he takes off his shirt 820 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,160 Speaker 1: and Mama, they put him to work. He is up, 821 00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:38,440 Speaker 1: he was, he was hitting that pre workout every day. 822 00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,239 Speaker 1: He's multiple. He's chugging that muscle milk, probably the same 823 00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,799 Speaker 1: one that I am just full body chills every time 824 00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:47,920 Speaker 1: I drink this disgusting protein shape. Well, my favorite Batman 825 00:47:48,239 --> 00:47:51,800 Speaker 1: is Michael Keaton, and my favorite Batman movie is Batman Returns. 826 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:57,280 Speaker 1: Um And honestly it might be my favorite superhero movie 827 00:47:57,600 --> 00:48:00,799 Speaker 1: is Batman Returns, the one with Michelle Peifer. Okay, of course, 828 00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:04,319 Speaker 1: of course, so Tim Burton, right, yeah, Okay, that is 829 00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,200 Speaker 1: the most Tim Burton of the Batman movies. I think 830 00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:14,840 Speaker 1: it's I think it's the best marriage of comic book 831 00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:21,279 Speaker 1: cartoon superhero and big budget blockbuster superhero legitimate action movie. Yes, 832 00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:25,239 Speaker 1: it's very fun, it is campy, but not too much. 833 00:48:25,719 --> 00:48:28,880 Speaker 1: It's very dark, it's very sexy. I like, I have 834 00:48:28,960 --> 00:48:34,200 Speaker 1: a lot of formative childhood like sexual memories around Michelle 835 00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:38,400 Speaker 1: Peiffer as Catwoman, and I think her and Michael Keaton 836 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:43,360 Speaker 1: have incredible chemistry in that movie. Which was my critique 837 00:48:43,400 --> 00:48:46,560 Speaker 1: of The Batman, which you disagree on. But I felt 838 00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:49,560 Speaker 1: like Zoe and Rob didn't really have any romantics. I 839 00:48:49,560 --> 00:48:52,680 Speaker 1: thought they had seen I thought they had sexual chemistry. 840 00:48:52,719 --> 00:48:55,080 Speaker 1: I thought they wanted to fuck. But I will say 841 00:48:55,239 --> 00:49:01,360 Speaker 1: Batman returns Fox Fox. Yeah, that that that really. I 842 00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:03,440 Speaker 1: think I would have loved to see the sexual tension 843 00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:06,400 Speaker 1: between Batman and Catwoman earned the way it is with 844 00:49:06,440 --> 00:49:09,000 Speaker 1: Michelle Phifer. But Michelle Phiffer can have sexual tension with 845 00:49:09,080 --> 00:49:12,080 Speaker 1: literally anything like that. Trash can like that. Like Michelle 846 00:49:12,080 --> 00:49:15,600 Speaker 1: could just have a full romp with But I don't know. 847 00:49:15,920 --> 00:49:18,200 Speaker 1: It was just the k There were two kisses in 848 00:49:18,239 --> 00:49:21,399 Speaker 1: this movie, and neither of them were it. They were 849 00:49:21,440 --> 00:49:24,919 Speaker 1: a little unearned, like it was very much that they 850 00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:28,480 Speaker 1: had sexual they were into each other just because the 851 00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:31,920 Speaker 1: movie decided they were exactly But it still worked for me. 852 00:49:32,200 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: But and and regardless, I did gasp loudly both times. 853 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:41,560 Speaker 1: Probably whereas in that in Batman Returns, like you you 854 00:49:41,640 --> 00:49:47,960 Speaker 1: see Batman and Catwoman vibe with each other, and you 855 00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:51,000 Speaker 1: see Bruce Wayne and Selena Kyle vibe with each other, 856 00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:54,000 Speaker 1: right exactly. Yeah, yeah, and and there, and I thought 857 00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:59,719 Speaker 1: the relationship between Bruce and Selena felt more like they 858 00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:03,279 Speaker 1: had had more to do with each other, where in 859 00:50:03,440 --> 00:50:06,759 Speaker 1: previous iterations of Catwoman, she just kind of shows up 860 00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,239 Speaker 1: and steals her own stuff and does her own thing, 861 00:50:09,239 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: and it's just kind of an additional villain where Zoe 862 00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:16,480 Speaker 1: Kravitz and Bruce have to kind of work together. I 863 00:50:16,480 --> 00:50:19,640 Speaker 1: think Anne Hathaway has to work with Batman but still 864 00:50:19,760 --> 00:50:23,440 Speaker 1: betrays him right multiple times. Yeah, I from the super 865 00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:26,000 Speaker 1: cut that I watched on YouTube last night. I think so, 866 00:50:26,280 --> 00:50:28,680 Speaker 1: because that is the thing with Catwoman, and it's why 867 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:32,640 Speaker 1: that she is very hard to categorize, Like she's not 868 00:50:32,680 --> 00:50:36,200 Speaker 1: always a villain, She's definitely not a hero. She her 869 00:50:36,239 --> 00:50:41,680 Speaker 1: allegiances to herself above everything, and it depends when that 870 00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:45,120 Speaker 1: aligns with other people's interests then she will align herself 871 00:50:45,160 --> 00:50:50,359 Speaker 1: with them. And this Batman movie, the Batman, she I 872 00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:52,960 Speaker 1: think was a you know, we saw her reckon with 873 00:50:53,000 --> 00:50:56,040 Speaker 1: like wanting to kill who turned out to be her father, 874 00:50:56,640 --> 00:50:58,960 Speaker 1: the mob guy. But I think she was like a 875 00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,600 Speaker 1: little too on the inside. I could have used maybe 876 00:51:01,640 --> 00:51:03,719 Speaker 1: like if she had teamed up with the Riddler at 877 00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,240 Speaker 1: some point or like been implicated in what he was doing, 878 00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:12,160 Speaker 1: because I like when Catwoman, you know, betrays Batman a 879 00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,920 Speaker 1: little bit. I think that's fun to play with. Yeah, 880 00:51:15,000 --> 00:51:17,520 Speaker 1: I feel like when I think about like Anne Hathaway 881 00:51:17,520 --> 00:51:23,040 Speaker 1: as Catwoman, which I didn't is a great performance, but 882 00:51:23,160 --> 00:51:25,239 Speaker 1: not a I don't think a good movie, and not 883 00:51:25,320 --> 00:51:27,440 Speaker 1: a good Catwoman. In my opinion, it's certainly not a 884 00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:30,080 Speaker 1: memorable movie because I remember nothing about it, but I 885 00:51:30,360 --> 00:51:32,799 Speaker 1: I rewatched it in Quarantine, and and Hathaway was the 886 00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,000 Speaker 1: most watchful part in my opinion. And she and they 887 00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,080 Speaker 1: end up together at the end. They do, they will 888 00:51:38,120 --> 00:51:41,600 Speaker 1: they the Romans run away together. The romances hammered down 889 00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:44,759 Speaker 1: more from what I remember, um, But I like that 890 00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,879 Speaker 1: throughout the history of Catwoman there is this kind of 891 00:51:49,239 --> 00:51:52,680 Speaker 1: zany irreverence that I think Anne Hathaway does very well, 892 00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:56,040 Speaker 1: that you know, Zoe kind of you know, took out 893 00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:59,120 Speaker 1: of the role that was still really enjoyable. But I 894 00:51:59,160 --> 00:52:02,560 Speaker 1: obviously my face her Catwoman of all time, aside from 895 00:52:02,600 --> 00:52:05,799 Speaker 1: Michelle Feifer is earth Kit, who took it on after 896 00:52:05,880 --> 00:52:09,759 Speaker 1: I think Julie Newmar, but like which she did her 897 00:52:09,880 --> 00:52:14,000 Speaker 1: I think I feel like she was probably cast because 898 00:52:14,160 --> 00:52:17,480 Speaker 1: by this point in her career, purring was already her thing, 899 00:52:19,120 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: and so they were like, who's that celebrity that purrs? Ah, yeah, Eartha. 900 00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:25,160 Speaker 1: I actually don't know that, or maybe like she only 901 00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,200 Speaker 1: started purring because of Catwoman, that might make more sense. No, 902 00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,800 Speaker 1: I think it's I actually do think it's the latter. 903 00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,719 Speaker 1: I've I've read like one and a half of um 904 00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,560 Speaker 1: Earth Kids biography, so you'd think I would know this UM, 905 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:40,400 Speaker 1: but they're so sensationalized and ghest written as well, so 906 00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,359 Speaker 1: it doesn't even matter. But like when Eartha was on 907 00:52:43,640 --> 00:52:46,480 Speaker 1: TV as Catwoman, this is at a time when like, 908 00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,320 Speaker 1: you know, Jet magazine is still like the back page 909 00:52:49,320 --> 00:52:52,160 Speaker 1: of Jet is like you know, every black person that's 910 00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,880 Speaker 1: going to be on TV that week or something like 911 00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:57,840 Speaker 1: There's it was such a scarcity mentality of like I 912 00:52:57,880 --> 00:53:01,600 Speaker 1: guess representation at the time, and and and so Eartha's 913 00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:06,040 Speaker 1: place in superhero TV shows was so much more meaningful 914 00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:10,080 Speaker 1: to like audience members, and her performance is obviously so iconic. 915 00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,880 Speaker 1: But what I loved about Zoe was that it was 916 00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:33,200 Speaker 1: almost meaningful, like like representation didn't matter. Really, this is 917 00:53:33,239 --> 00:53:36,279 Speaker 1: bringing us very nicely into like the Tim Burton Joel 918 00:53:36,280 --> 00:53:39,920 Speaker 1: Schumacher era of Batman movies, which are very you and me. 919 00:53:40,520 --> 00:53:43,640 Speaker 1: We did actually watch We watched Batman Forever. Yeah, you 920 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:45,560 Speaker 1: had never seen it, Yes, which is the thing that 921 00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,359 Speaker 1: led me to buy you a taser for Christmas, which 922 00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: you then immediately threatened. Yeah. Um. And I think that 923 00:53:53,000 --> 00:53:55,719 Speaker 1: that is honestly part of the reason I feel so 924 00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:59,360 Speaker 1: exhausted by Batman movies. Why I was a little salty 925 00:53:59,400 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 1: about this Batman movie, even though I really loved it, 926 00:54:02,600 --> 00:54:08,359 Speaker 1: was like, I do miss the cartoonish stylings of that 927 00:54:08,480 --> 00:54:12,680 Speaker 1: era of movies, and I want to see that kind 928 00:54:12,680 --> 00:54:17,440 Speaker 1: of like play and that zany irreverence of previous films 929 00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:20,040 Speaker 1: injected into new superheroes. And I feel like they do 930 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,759 Speaker 1: it with like a a Venom or maybe like a 931 00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:26,040 Speaker 1: Deadpool or something like that. But Guardians of the Galaxy 932 00:54:26,080 --> 00:54:28,160 Speaker 1: does that a little too. Yeah, but the movie, but 933 00:54:28,280 --> 00:54:31,920 Speaker 1: movies in general, especially big superhero movies, just take themselves 934 00:54:31,960 --> 00:54:34,960 Speaker 1: so seriously and the kind of would have I wouldn't 935 00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,560 Speaker 1: have minded a punchline in this Batman, but it was 936 00:54:37,600 --> 00:54:41,400 Speaker 1: like the most unfunny Batman, like, like the only funny 937 00:54:41,400 --> 00:54:45,560 Speaker 1: parts were Colin Ferrell's penguin. Um, and that was kind 938 00:54:45,560 --> 00:54:47,759 Speaker 1: of it. I could have used as I told Lady 939 00:54:47,760 --> 00:54:50,480 Speaker 1: Freeze when I pulled her plug moment, yeah, or some 940 00:54:50,640 --> 00:54:53,520 Speaker 1: like Harley Quinn essence you would Well, there was a 941 00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:56,520 Speaker 1: there was a rumor at least I saw one TikTok 942 00:54:56,640 --> 00:55:01,400 Speaker 1: saying that UM a variant of her of Harley Quinn 943 00:55:01,440 --> 00:55:05,640 Speaker 1: maybe still UM like pre Harley Quinn, Dr Harley and 944 00:55:05,760 --> 00:55:08,960 Speaker 1: Quinzel was going to show up in one of the 945 00:55:09,040 --> 00:55:14,040 Speaker 1: Arkham scenes. But that obviously didn't happen. But spoiler, I mean, 946 00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:16,680 Speaker 1: this whole podcast has been a spoiler. But like Joker 947 00:55:16,800 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 1: shows up. Was it Joker or was it to face 948 00:55:20,719 --> 00:55:23,799 Speaker 1: he makes a joke about being a clown he made 949 00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:26,040 Speaker 1: he made that joke about it. Had it was definitely Joker, 950 00:55:26,360 --> 00:55:28,840 Speaker 1: which I was. That was like the peak of my 951 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:31,520 Speaker 1: It was the final the third hour of the movie, 952 00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:33,879 Speaker 1: the peak of my exhaustion. I was just like I 953 00:55:35,600 --> 00:55:39,960 Speaker 1: ten ten to fifteen Batman movies. I've seen hundreds of 954 00:55:40,040 --> 00:55:42,960 Speaker 1: villains to pick from in this franchise, and I was 955 00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,320 Speaker 1: I loved the Riddler coming back. I thought it was fine, 956 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,320 Speaker 1: but like he was no Jim Carrey though Jim Carrey, 957 00:55:50,840 --> 00:55:54,839 Speaker 1: and he was no Riddler from um Harley Quinn, who 958 00:55:54,880 --> 00:55:57,200 Speaker 1: I love, I don't even oh my god, wait, we 959 00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,200 Speaker 1: have to talk about the Harley Quinn Show. But before 960 00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,399 Speaker 1: I just I just felt like when we finally saw 961 00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,400 Speaker 1: this hint of Joker and in my opinion, bad Joker makeup, 962 00:56:04,440 --> 00:56:07,120 Speaker 1: like Joker makeup that I can't take seriously. Um, it 963 00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:09,520 Speaker 1: just like feels like a failure of the imagination, especially 964 00:56:09,520 --> 00:56:12,239 Speaker 1: when Poison Ivy is right there. Um. And I just 965 00:56:12,400 --> 00:56:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm like, we there's so many villains to choos froim, 966 00:56:14,400 --> 00:56:17,440 Speaker 1: and we're going back to Joker when Joker already had 967 00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:19,719 Speaker 1: like he's already had three of his other movies. Have 968 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,680 Speaker 1: you heard the rumor that Lady Gaga is going to 969 00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:27,280 Speaker 1: be in a Joker movie like in the in the 970 00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:32,960 Speaker 1: same thing as as the wakuin Vihoenix Joker, which which 971 00:56:33,000 --> 00:56:35,680 Speaker 1: if Lady Gaga is in like a real is in 972 00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:39,040 Speaker 1: like a gritty, realistic Joker movie, that will be my 973 00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:43,839 Speaker 1: Joker origin story. Prostlytizing dangerous. Although although let's say, let's 974 00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:46,879 Speaker 1: say that almost everything Lady Gaga has done has been 975 00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:49,840 Speaker 1: my joker origin story. Yeah, including she's probably Do you 976 00:56:49,840 --> 00:56:53,320 Speaker 1: think she's auditioned for the Madonna boot Camp? No, she's girl. 977 00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:56,759 Speaker 1: No you don't think she's too old be with all 978 00:56:56,760 --> 00:56:59,880 Speaker 1: the beefs she has with Madonna. No, that's never happening. 979 00:56:59,880 --> 00:57:02,040 Speaker 1: I mean she still loves and respects Madonna. Did you 980 00:57:02,040 --> 00:57:04,480 Speaker 1: not see five for two? What kind of question is 981 00:57:04,480 --> 00:57:06,760 Speaker 1: that she wants to fuck Madona's never going to happen. 982 00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:09,600 Speaker 1: Lady Gaga is never playing Madonna on the Riddler of 983 00:57:09,600 --> 00:57:13,000 Speaker 1: it All. I did feel like elements of him were 984 00:57:13,080 --> 00:57:17,160 Speaker 1: a little bane. Well, yeah, the kind of intelligent. Although 985 00:57:17,200 --> 00:57:19,400 Speaker 1: I would have I would have liked the ban from 986 00:57:19,440 --> 00:57:24,280 Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn Show from how Heartbreak Feels Good at 987 00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:30,600 Speaker 1: a place like this? The sings some I can't it's 988 00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:36,480 Speaker 1: very break feels good at a place like this. That 989 00:57:36,600 --> 00:57:39,120 Speaker 1: sounds absurd, but the virgins have to know that it 990 00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,240 Speaker 1: is a spot on impression. We have to talk about 991 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:44,800 Speaker 1: the Harley Quinn Show. So on HBO Max, there's a 992 00:57:44,880 --> 00:57:50,160 Speaker 1: Harley Quinn animated series starring Haley Haley Quoco. Oh my 993 00:57:50,200 --> 00:57:52,000 Speaker 1: God forgot shout out to shout out to all my 994 00:57:52,160 --> 00:57:56,680 Speaker 1: Quoco nuts out there, um as as Harley Quinn. And 995 00:57:56,960 --> 00:58:00,120 Speaker 1: it's so good. It takes. It's like the storyline of 996 00:58:00,160 --> 00:58:02,280 Speaker 1: it is that Harley Quinn has been dumped by the 997 00:58:02,360 --> 00:58:04,880 Speaker 1: Joker for the last time, so she decides to start 998 00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,360 Speaker 1: her own super villain team. It's a very adult cartoon. 999 00:58:08,480 --> 00:58:12,080 Speaker 1: It's like super violent. Like it's like lots of Yeah, 1000 00:58:12,120 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 1: it's lots of bad language. It's very gay. It's very gay. 1001 00:58:16,120 --> 00:58:18,280 Speaker 1: I it was such a breath of fresh air. We 1002 00:58:18,320 --> 00:58:20,840 Speaker 1: watched it in Quarantine, like in the you know, the 1003 00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:23,520 Speaker 1: parts where the parts of Quarantine were. We really couldn't 1004 00:58:23,560 --> 00:58:25,600 Speaker 1: see other people, Like I think. I came over to 1005 00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,280 Speaker 1: your apartment and we ate cereal and watched it, which 1006 00:58:28,320 --> 00:58:30,160 Speaker 1: is so fun in the middle of the day. Love 1007 00:58:30,240 --> 00:58:33,760 Speaker 1: Love a Saturday morning cartoon. Yeah, And I'm not really 1008 00:58:34,400 --> 00:58:36,840 Speaker 1: I don't always click into cartoons like that, and this 1009 00:58:37,400 --> 00:58:40,000 Speaker 1: I don't either. I really am not a cartoon girl 1010 00:58:40,080 --> 00:58:43,160 Speaker 1: because I like, I need to see a real human being. Yeah, 1011 00:58:43,240 --> 00:58:45,600 Speaker 1: exactly the same way. And I felt like this was 1012 00:58:45,680 --> 00:58:50,240 Speaker 1: so the characters were so so gay and so real, 1013 00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,560 Speaker 1: and the jokes are really funny. It's one of the 1014 00:58:53,720 --> 00:58:57,280 Speaker 1: few shows I have watched in recent memory where I 1015 00:58:57,360 --> 00:59:01,880 Speaker 1: consistently laughed out loud watching it over and over, especially 1016 00:59:01,920 --> 00:59:05,960 Speaker 1: at Bain's jokes. Is the best and somehow pulls off 1017 00:59:06,400 --> 00:59:10,920 Speaker 1: very of the moment cultural commentary humor, which really doesn't 1018 00:59:11,000 --> 00:59:12,880 Speaker 1: hit a lot of the time. But you could tell 1019 00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:15,240 Speaker 1: the people that a lot of people in the writer's 1020 00:59:15,320 --> 00:59:18,280 Speaker 1: room were of our generation, you know. Um, but what 1021 00:59:18,440 --> 00:59:21,439 Speaker 1: is the All of the villains have a stick. They're 1022 00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:24,160 Speaker 1: all kind of dysfunctional or kind of made fun of 1023 00:59:24,160 --> 00:59:26,920 Speaker 1: in some way. And Bain stick is that he is 1024 00:59:26,960 --> 00:59:30,680 Speaker 1: like everyone hates him that everyone finds. Yeah, he's a flop, 1025 00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:33,880 Speaker 1: but he's also kind of like really insecure and feminine, 1026 00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,920 Speaker 1: and he masks his insecurities with bombs, which is so funny. 1027 00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:40,760 Speaker 1: But what's the Riddler stick? I can't remember? Um that 1028 00:59:40,800 --> 00:59:43,160 Speaker 1: he he like gets really buff at one point, Yeah, 1029 00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:45,400 Speaker 1: because remember they have him on a hamster wheel. Yeah, 1030 00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,440 Speaker 1: oh yeah. And isn't he like constantly saying riddles? Everyone's like, 1031 00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:51,560 Speaker 1: what the fun Yeah, he's made a little gay too. Yeah. 1032 00:59:51,680 --> 00:59:53,520 Speaker 1: I think he's just made fun of for the fact 1033 00:59:53,560 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: that the Riddler is like a villain that's on. He's 1034 00:59:56,320 --> 00:59:59,000 Speaker 1: easy to me. He's lame villain. Well, and I liked 1035 00:59:59,080 --> 01:00:01,440 Speaker 1: I thought that this bat End movie, the Rob Pattinson 1036 01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:05,880 Speaker 1: Batman made Riddler scary. Sure, I thought that it was 1037 01:00:05,960 --> 01:00:08,920 Speaker 1: well done, but it still felt like pain in the 1038 01:00:09,200 --> 01:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Dark Knights pain rather. I also loved the Riddler in 1039 01:00:12,640 --> 01:00:15,600 Speaker 1: this Batman movie was a content creator, like he was 1040 01:00:16,560 --> 01:00:19,520 Speaker 1: for the Virgins. Well, he like made all these selfie 1041 01:00:19,600 --> 01:00:22,000 Speaker 1: videos and like I kept wondering if he had a 1042 01:00:22,080 --> 01:00:24,000 Speaker 1: ring light and there was a point where he goes 1043 01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:27,320 Speaker 1: live with Batman. They were, they had they were doing 1044 01:00:27,360 --> 01:00:30,160 Speaker 1: a collab and like literally all these little audience members 1045 01:00:30,200 --> 01:00:32,000 Speaker 1: are like, you know, harding and liking me, Like, oh 1046 01:00:32,040 --> 01:00:33,720 Speaker 1: my god, Rid Larry love you women to buy the 1047 01:00:33,760 --> 01:00:37,280 Speaker 1: same outfit as you like. Like Honestly, all Batman villains, 1048 01:00:38,160 --> 01:00:42,080 Speaker 1: a lot of Batman villains are content creators and aspiring influencers. 1049 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:45,560 Speaker 1: They really want to broadcast their villainy. They really need 1050 01:00:45,560 --> 01:00:47,720 Speaker 1: an audience, they need the likes. They're doing it for 1051 01:00:47,760 --> 01:00:50,240 Speaker 1: the Graham, you know, because I don't think Riddler would 1052 01:00:50,240 --> 01:00:52,400 Speaker 1: have done everything he would have done if he could 1053 01:00:52,440 --> 01:00:54,800 Speaker 1: do it quietly, not doing it for the Graham. He 1054 01:00:54,920 --> 01:00:57,080 Speaker 1: was doing it for the Grahama. He was doing it 1055 01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,720 Speaker 1: for the dark. I don't think he was on Instagram. 1056 01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:02,800 Speaker 1: I think he was on TikTok and Snapchat, maybe Facebook. 1057 01:01:02,520 --> 01:01:04,920 Speaker 1: I think Facebook Marketplace. That's where he was buying all 1058 01:01:04,920 --> 01:01:08,320 Speaker 1: that stuff for his apartment. Yeah. You know, a couple 1059 01:01:08,320 --> 01:01:10,800 Speaker 1: of episodes we we talked about the m c U 1060 01:01:10,920 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 1: with Joel k and Booster. If you haven't listened, to 1061 01:01:12,840 --> 01:01:15,760 Speaker 1: go back and and listen to that. And I did 1062 01:01:15,760 --> 01:01:18,440 Speaker 1: find myself a lot thinking about the m c U 1063 01:01:18,560 --> 01:01:21,280 Speaker 1: and how different this was from it, and how it's 1064 01:01:21,320 --> 01:01:24,760 Speaker 1: maybe almost a reaction to it, because you know, in 1065 01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,840 Speaker 1: recent years, the m c U, which has kind of 1066 01:01:27,880 --> 01:01:31,880 Speaker 1: always been like on such a big scale, really got 1067 01:01:31,920 --> 01:01:35,640 Speaker 1: to the biggest scale it possibly could be with End 1068 01:01:35,680 --> 01:01:39,480 Speaker 1: Game and also with Spiderman No Way Home. We're like, 1069 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,160 Speaker 1: we're now looking at the multiverse. And I think this Batman, 1070 01:01:43,760 --> 01:01:49,800 Speaker 1: it being so grounded and so focused on street level heroism, 1071 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:54,080 Speaker 1: which is like kind of the categorization of superheroes like Batman, 1072 01:01:54,400 --> 01:01:59,760 Speaker 1: like Spider Man. I think like that very much is 1073 01:01:59,760 --> 01:02:03,400 Speaker 1: a re action to the sort of like cosmic implications 1074 01:02:03,440 --> 01:02:07,080 Speaker 1: of the m c U, and I almost like kind 1075 01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:11,560 Speaker 1: of think that's maybe why the last Spider Man movie 1076 01:02:11,640 --> 01:02:15,240 Speaker 1: ended the way it did, because like, you have Spider 1077 01:02:15,240 --> 01:02:19,920 Speaker 1: Man multiverse shenanigans, and then at the end of the movie, 1078 01:02:20,080 --> 01:02:24,360 Speaker 1: he winds up back in a place where he's much 1079 01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:26,200 Speaker 1: more of like the classic Spider Man that we know. 1080 01:02:26,240 --> 01:02:28,280 Speaker 1: We're like, he has no friends, he has like a 1081 01:02:28,360 --> 01:02:32,040 Speaker 1: very basic spider suit, and he like, once again, is 1082 01:02:32,320 --> 01:02:35,480 Speaker 1: your friendly neighborhood spider Man. And so I wonder maybe 1083 01:02:35,480 --> 01:02:39,640 Speaker 1: if we're going to now see a trend of superheroes 1084 01:02:39,680 --> 01:02:43,040 Speaker 1: that are like a little bit more on the small scale. 1085 01:02:43,480 --> 01:02:45,960 Speaker 1: And that's the thing with stories that are this contained 1086 01:02:46,000 --> 01:02:48,480 Speaker 1: and why I tend to enjoy them more in the 1087 01:02:48,520 --> 01:02:52,480 Speaker 1: superhero of it all is that like when you have 1088 01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: a hero that is totally on his own, you do 1089 01:02:56,560 --> 01:03:00,880 Speaker 1: get to start to ask questions about privilege and capital 1090 01:03:01,320 --> 01:03:05,000 Speaker 1: or like what is good or bad? Where adventurous movies 1091 01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,200 Speaker 1: don't really there are themes in them, yeah, but they 1092 01:03:07,240 --> 01:03:09,840 Speaker 1: don't really have a ton of time to actually dig 1093 01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:14,400 Speaker 1: into the emotional lives of many of these characters or 1094 01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,000 Speaker 1: what they're kind of philosophical backings are. And even though 1095 01:03:19,120 --> 01:03:24,400 Speaker 1: as we said, like this Batman doesn't really dig into 1096 01:03:25,120 --> 01:03:28,560 Speaker 1: the privileged conversation in the way I thought it was 1097 01:03:28,600 --> 01:03:31,439 Speaker 1: going to, because it really leaned in hard and then 1098 01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:35,160 Speaker 1: pulled away at at the end from it. Um I 1099 01:03:35,200 --> 01:03:37,000 Speaker 1: thought maybe there would be more of a full circle 1100 01:03:37,080 --> 01:03:41,600 Speaker 1: moment where we would see Batman in a very real 1101 01:03:41,680 --> 01:03:44,240 Speaker 1: way reconcile with the fact that he's a billionaire and 1102 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,240 Speaker 1: like what you know happened? What what a billionaire can 1103 01:03:47,320 --> 01:03:51,640 Speaker 1: do to like help societal collapse or societal restructure? Right? 1104 01:03:51,720 --> 01:03:53,800 Speaker 1: Because like if Bruce Raid really wanted to put his 1105 01:03:53,840 --> 01:03:56,120 Speaker 1: money where his mouth was, wouldn't he just put his 1106 01:03:56,200 --> 01:03:59,520 Speaker 1: billions of dollars towards like actually like fixing the infrastructure 1107 01:03:59,520 --> 01:04:02,200 Speaker 1: of got them that he knew Gotham Renewal program, Like 1108 01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,840 Speaker 1: if all of that Gotham Renewal like money was used 1109 01:04:04,880 --> 01:04:07,320 Speaker 1: to like like for corruption, wouldn't he just be like, Oh, 1110 01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,360 Speaker 1: let me just donate another build? Was there a moment 1111 01:04:09,400 --> 01:04:11,280 Speaker 1: at the beginning? I don't pay attention when people are 1112 01:04:11,320 --> 01:04:15,760 Speaker 1: just talking. Unfortunately, as you know, I love that. Also 1113 01:04:16,040 --> 01:04:21,880 Speaker 1: every single Batman movie, Alfred has one character trait, well 1114 01:04:21,920 --> 01:04:25,640 Speaker 1: to character traits, which is that No. Three, he's British, 1115 01:04:26,040 --> 01:04:30,160 Speaker 1: he's gay, and he's like Batman. Why do you got 1116 01:04:30,160 --> 01:04:32,880 Speaker 1: to go out and do this Batman stuff? Like, why 1117 01:04:32,920 --> 01:04:35,320 Speaker 1: are you gotta do this? This hurts my feelings. I'm 1118 01:04:35,360 --> 01:04:40,560 Speaker 1: worried about you Batman, Like every time it's like girl, Yeah, 1119 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,520 Speaker 1: but I feel like it's just this is the job 1120 01:04:43,600 --> 01:04:45,720 Speaker 1: you sign up for a girl like, well, no he didn't. 1121 01:04:45,720 --> 01:04:48,600 Speaker 1: He signed up to be Batman's butler, and then Batman 1122 01:04:48,840 --> 01:04:55,120 Speaker 1: like Dad's butler. Honestly, Yeah, Well I am very interested 1123 01:04:55,160 --> 01:04:58,560 Speaker 1: to see if Batman ex Alfred fan fiction becomes a thing. 1124 01:04:58,680 --> 01:05:02,400 Speaker 1: Probably already exists, definitely already exists. Definitely everything you wrote 1125 01:05:02,440 --> 01:05:04,920 Speaker 1: it already. You're all one last night before you went 1126 01:05:04,960 --> 01:05:13,360 Speaker 1: to bed. We'll be back next week with a discussion 1127 01:05:13,640 --> 01:05:17,280 Speaker 1: on drop Dead Gorgeous. So if you have never seen 1128 01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:21,439 Speaker 1: it as brand never had, please watch it and get 1129 01:05:21,440 --> 01:05:25,760 Speaker 1: ready to talk about beauty pageants, the incredible career of 1130 01:05:26,000 --> 01:05:33,400 Speaker 1: Kirsten Duncet, the COVID denials of Kirsty Alley, uh, and 1131 01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:35,880 Speaker 1: much more. Uh. 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