1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to Popper's Perspective. It's brought to you by Bob's 2 00:00:02,840 --> 00:00:06,000 Speaker 1: Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and Mattress partner of 3 00:00:06,040 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: the New York Giants. As we welcome you into the 4 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:12,960 Speaker 1: Hackensack Meridian Health podcast studio Keep Getting Better, and we're 5 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:16,760 Speaker 1: joined by doctor McKenzie. Kareem McKenzie, who played seven years 6 00:00:16,760 --> 00:00:20,320 Speaker 1: for the Giants, started all one hundred and five regular 7 00:00:20,400 --> 00:00:23,280 Speaker 1: season games during his seven year term with the Giants 8 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:27,319 Speaker 1: and all eleven postseason games. Welcome to the show. Thank you, 9 00:00:27,320 --> 00:00:30,640 Speaker 1: Thank you for having me so, Kareem, Let's talk a 10 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 1: little bit about doctor McKenzie. What motivated you to sort 11 00:00:35,400 --> 00:00:37,720 Speaker 1: of go down that path post playing career. 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:40,680 Speaker 2: Well, I think one of the most important aspects for 13 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:43,840 Speaker 2: me was to have something to do once my career 14 00:00:43,880 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 2: was over. And I found that typically going into something 15 00:00:49,120 --> 00:00:51,239 Speaker 2: that you have a passion for that just some experience with, 16 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:54,960 Speaker 2: and that was counseling in and of itself. And it 17 00:00:55,040 --> 00:00:59,000 Speaker 2: was by happenstance that I had the opportunity to go 18 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:03,040 Speaker 2: to a program that was very amenable to helping me 19 00:01:03,080 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 2: continue my career in some capacity, and that was William 20 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:09,640 Speaker 2: Patterson University, And after I graduated with my degree, I 21 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:14,360 Speaker 2: went and worked for a nonprofit down in Irvington, New Jersey, 22 00:01:14,959 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 2: in a kid's substance use program. And when I was 23 00:01:18,600 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 2: there working with those youth, and found that the tools 24 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,320 Speaker 2: that we had to help them overcome whatever it was 25 00:01:24,360 --> 00:01:27,880 Speaker 2: they were experiencing that they were inadequate. And I felt 26 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:29,800 Speaker 2: that it was a good opportunity for me to go 27 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 2: ahead and continue that research and or start that research 28 00:01:32,880 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 2: as a whole and kind of reinvigorate how we adjust 29 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:39,280 Speaker 2: to and how we deal with adolescents who are dealing 30 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,759 Speaker 2: with substitute problems. So Ken University had a program their 31 00:01:43,800 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 2: first year. I think I think my cohort was the first, 32 00:01:47,840 --> 00:01:52,480 Speaker 2: the first cohort for counsel education and supervision doctorate of course, 33 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:57,720 Speaker 2: And here I am today, you know, six seven years later? Now, man, 34 00:01:57,720 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 2: time flys. 35 00:01:58,440 --> 00:02:01,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, that certainly does time fly in a playing career 36 00:02:01,880 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: as well. Is this something that as you were getting 37 00:02:05,960 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: deeper into your playing career and think about possibly what's 38 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:12,040 Speaker 1: next was in the cards for you or is this 39 00:02:12,120 --> 00:02:16,519 Speaker 1: something that post playing you sort of gravitated toward. 40 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:20,600 Speaker 2: I think it's more so post playing gravitating towards because 41 00:02:20,760 --> 00:02:24,280 Speaker 2: you know, back at that time in the late two 42 00:02:24,280 --> 00:02:27,160 Speaker 2: thout one, not late two thousand, but the late twenty ten, 43 00:02:27,240 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 2: twenty eleven, you know, you really weren't concentrated on a 44 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: post NFL career. It was more so the next season, 45 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:37,360 Speaker 2: per se. And I was always the type of individual 46 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:40,480 Speaker 2: to in my downtime to read. So I did a 47 00:02:40,520 --> 00:02:43,480 Speaker 2: lot of reading, loved to read, enjoyed reading until I 48 00:02:43,480 --> 00:02:45,600 Speaker 2: went to my doctoral program and it was like, yeah, 49 00:02:46,120 --> 00:02:47,640 Speaker 2: it took me a while to even want to read 50 00:02:47,680 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 2: a MiG right. So I'm now just now getting back 51 00:02:50,480 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 2: into reading. And I do like the idea of continually 52 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:57,959 Speaker 2: growing from a mental standpoint, getting a new wrinkle in 53 00:02:58,000 --> 00:03:02,919 Speaker 2: my brain. And I just just I'd just love to advocate, 54 00:03:03,000 --> 00:03:04,359 Speaker 2: you know, And that's one of the main things in 55 00:03:04,480 --> 00:03:07,679 Speaker 2: being a counselor is to advocate for those who are disadvantaged. 56 00:03:07,720 --> 00:03:11,519 Speaker 2: Who are you know, on the outskirts of society that 57 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:12,959 Speaker 2: people don't necessarily pay attention to. 58 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 1: Where does your experience as an athlete, as an elite 59 00:03:18,600 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 1: athlete who made it through that funnel, as I always 60 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:24,080 Speaker 1: like to call it, for every kid in a certain 61 00:03:24,120 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: age group that puts on the pads, fourth grade, fifth grade, 62 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:31,760 Speaker 1: sixth grade, to make it through high school, to get 63 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: to college, to eventually get drafted or invited to be 64 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and then to stay in the NFL. 65 00:03:39,160 --> 00:03:41,600 Speaker 1: That's something that it's a one in a million, so 66 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:45,680 Speaker 1: to speak. How do you take those experiences and apply 67 00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:47,040 Speaker 1: it to what you're doing now? 68 00:03:48,000 --> 00:03:49,960 Speaker 2: I think you have to have the same type of 69 00:03:50,320 --> 00:03:54,960 Speaker 2: mentality because with counseling and dealing with individuals who come 70 00:03:55,000 --> 00:03:58,920 Speaker 2: into your office, no two individuals have the same problem, 71 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:02,400 Speaker 2: right almost to the extent to use a football metaphor, 72 00:04:02,920 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: is like playing the Eagles on week eleven, then week fourteen, 73 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,800 Speaker 2: you're playing them again. Right, it's the same team, They're 74 00:04:09,800 --> 00:04:12,920 Speaker 2: gonna do something different, right, and every year it's different. 75 00:04:12,920 --> 00:04:16,000 Speaker 2: That's what makes the football, I think so so great 76 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:20,600 Speaker 2: of a sport is that no matter what comes every week, 77 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:22,320 Speaker 2: there's a new rink or or something different you can 78 00:04:22,440 --> 00:04:25,200 Speaker 2: do to make it more challenging. And I don't think 79 00:04:25,240 --> 00:04:28,360 Speaker 2: it's any different than that in the counseling session, that 80 00:04:28,760 --> 00:04:31,839 Speaker 2: each individual has a different problem or something that they 81 00:04:31,880 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: need assistance with. And you could have two individuals. I mean, 82 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:36,840 Speaker 2: you can look at the twin studies, some of the 83 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:39,200 Speaker 2: research that that has been done on twins. They can 84 00:04:39,279 --> 00:04:42,080 Speaker 2: have the same experiences and two completely different outcomes. So 85 00:04:42,160 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: it's always a challenge, and you have to be prepared 86 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 2: for that challenge on a weekly basis, you know, and 87 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,240 Speaker 2: it really challenges you, I believe to think outside the 88 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:54,000 Speaker 2: box box in some instances and the ways in which 89 00:04:54,200 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 2: we deal with issues on the football field. You know, 90 00:04:57,760 --> 00:04:59,160 Speaker 2: it could be a certain blitz that's all of a 91 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 2: sudden go away. How do we address that so the 92 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:04,040 Speaker 2: next time we see it, we know, and through that 93 00:05:04,160 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: experience and through that commonality in that rigor, we're able 94 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 2: to go ahead and more acutely deal with whatever we 95 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:11,320 Speaker 2: come up against. 96 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,600 Speaker 1: I've said this to Earning a course see numerous times. 97 00:05:15,320 --> 00:05:15,599 Speaker 2: Listen. 98 00:05:15,800 --> 00:05:18,840 Speaker 1: He had a lot of great free agent signings. Antonio 99 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,839 Speaker 1: Pierce was a great free agent signing, bringing in Plexico 100 00:05:21,960 --> 00:05:24,840 Speaker 1: burs But I always say that Kareem Mackenzie might be 101 00:05:25,000 --> 00:05:27,719 Speaker 1: his greatest and one of the greatest in Giants' history, 102 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,119 Speaker 1: because you signed this deal to go from the Jets 103 00:05:30,160 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 1: to the Giants, and they got every possible snap out 104 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,440 Speaker 1: of you over the terms of your contract. One hundred 105 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: and five games one hundred and five regular season games 106 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:48,600 Speaker 1: in starts you never missed a game rarely, and then 107 00:05:48,640 --> 00:05:52,080 Speaker 1: you started all eleven in the postseason for the Giants. 108 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:54,640 Speaker 1: What was it like making that transition coming to New 109 00:05:54,760 --> 00:05:56,920 Speaker 1: York from the Jets to the Giants. 110 00:05:58,560 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 2: It was a lot different back then because the Jets 111 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 2: were in Long Island, right, so it was at Hofst University, 112 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: and coming over here to the Giants, it was the 113 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:15,280 Speaker 2: same stadium, different locker room. And I think one of 114 00:06:15,320 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: the most challenging aspects was to watch myself on film, 115 00:06:20,440 --> 00:06:23,440 Speaker 2: because for four years I saw myself as the sixty 116 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 2: seven and green and now, for the first time in 117 00:06:25,640 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: my career, I looked at practice film, I'm like, is 118 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:31,240 Speaker 2: that me? Like just trying to figure out is that 119 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,240 Speaker 2: who I am? And really acclimating myself to playing next 120 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 2: to Chris Ny, my right guard for my duration here, 121 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,279 Speaker 2: and the terminology that we used in terms of the offense, 122 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 2: and being able to go ahead and try and make 123 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:47,119 Speaker 2: it as seamless as possible, and getting used to driving 124 00:06:47,200 --> 00:06:49,280 Speaker 2: up to Albany, you know, those different things. So it 125 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,800 Speaker 2: was a culture change as well to actually be in 126 00:06:51,920 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: Giants Stadium every day versus once a week, you know, 127 00:06:56,640 --> 00:07:01,760 Speaker 2: So I think those aspects were challenge but I'm grateful 128 00:07:01,800 --> 00:07:04,680 Speaker 2: for those challenges. And I mean, who would have wrote 129 00:07:04,720 --> 00:07:07,960 Speaker 2: a better ending to my career than what I experienced. 130 00:07:09,000 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: Not many people get to walk away as a Super 131 00:07:12,440 --> 00:07:15,040 Speaker 1: Bowl champion, you know, Michael Strahan did it after Super 132 00:07:15,080 --> 00:07:17,920 Speaker 1: Bowl forty two. There have been some other players, but 133 00:07:18,000 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: most people like it. Doesn't it the fairy tale doesn't 134 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,040 Speaker 1: work out that way. What made your group so special 135 00:07:25,240 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: because it really you know, O'Hara was an undrafted player. 136 00:07:30,080 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: Cybert was an undrafted player. I'm going to the first 137 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 1: group deal was a guy that's a fifty to fifty 138 00:07:35,440 --> 00:07:37,120 Speaker 1: ball as to whether you're going to make the team 139 00:07:37,240 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: or not based on where he got picked. Obviously Snee 140 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: was picked high. You were a third round pick. Why 141 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:47,400 Speaker 1: there was the sum of the parts all pro? 142 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: I think it was the ability to be on the 143 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 2: field as often as possible. I forget the string of 144 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 2: consistent starts we had with the same lineup, but it 145 00:07:59,320 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: was a record at that time that I think was 146 00:08:01,560 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 2: eventually broken by a New York Jets offensive line. But 147 00:08:05,600 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: to be together, I think it was for forty eight 148 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:12,360 Speaker 2: plus games. So you're talking about three years of consecutive starts, 149 00:08:12,600 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: you know, day in and day out, and being able 150 00:08:15,040 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 2: to play with one another and to see it all 151 00:08:18,640 --> 00:08:21,160 Speaker 2: through the same lens. Because we had played together so 152 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 2: long and so often, we kind of knew what or 153 00:08:25,840 --> 00:08:27,800 Speaker 2: how we would view things. And that's what I think. 154 00:08:27,840 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 2: I think one of the important aspects is to make 155 00:08:30,240 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: sure you're all seeing the same thing through the same 156 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:36,400 Speaker 2: lens and knowing how we deal with those situations because 157 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:39,319 Speaker 2: we've had so much repetition to go ahead and do 158 00:08:39,440 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 2: those things. And also we will watch film together. You know, 159 00:08:42,440 --> 00:08:46,320 Speaker 2: we watched film together and made certain that whatever we did, 160 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 2: we all understood how we saw things, what we would do. 161 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 2: And it got to a point where we didn't even 162 00:08:52,040 --> 00:08:54,599 Speaker 2: really need to communicate because we automatically knew this is 163 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: what's going to happen. You know. 164 00:08:57,280 --> 00:09:00,720 Speaker 1: There's a picture that I saw that really, I think 165 00:09:00,840 --> 00:09:02,959 Speaker 1: kind of sums up what you're talking about. It's in 166 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 1: the one hundred years celebration from last year. I mean, 167 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,400 Speaker 1: you guys, whenever you take a picture, you just fall 168 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: in line to how you lined up right. It's not 169 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 1: really conscious, though, is it. That's just kind of where 170 00:09:14,920 --> 00:09:15,760 Speaker 1: you all go to right. 171 00:09:16,240 --> 00:09:19,640 Speaker 2: That's our pecking order, so to speak. You know, it's 172 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,280 Speaker 2: always something to where you know we've done it so often, 173 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 2: that's just automatically what we do. You know, it's sort 174 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: of the repetition of what shoe do you tee? First 175 00:09:29,679 --> 00:09:32,480 Speaker 2: is that you're right shoe you left you you just 176 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,319 Speaker 2: know what it is, and you feel uncomfortable if you're 177 00:09:36,360 --> 00:09:38,800 Speaker 2: out of place, you know, something feels a little off. 178 00:09:38,960 --> 00:09:42,079 Speaker 2: So I think that through our repetitions, who being around 179 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: one another for so long, that's just what we do. 180 00:09:45,880 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 1: The thing about the picture that really jumped out at me. 181 00:09:48,440 --> 00:09:51,679 Speaker 1: It was on the field opening day, probably after the ceremony. 182 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:55,160 Speaker 1: So you guys are lined up in order, and then 183 00:09:55,280 --> 00:10:00,959 Speaker 1: there's a mod, there's Brandon, and there's el all in 184 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: this picture, and it really kind of sums up what 185 00:10:05,160 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: that team from, at least when you joined the Giants 186 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: in five through eleven, what that team was all about, 187 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:12,199 Speaker 1: wasn't it. 188 00:10:13,280 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 2: I think so? I think so because that's one of 189 00:10:15,760 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 2: the things that excuse me going through and thinking back 190 00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:23,840 Speaker 2: on those things, which I don't often do at times, 191 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:26,880 Speaker 2: because sometimes you just want those memories to be as 192 00:10:27,200 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 2: crystal clear as they can, and you don't want to 193 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,160 Speaker 2: dwell when it's so to speak, not that you dwell, 194 00:10:31,280 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 2: but you know sometimes you know, people will say, oh, 195 00:10:34,600 --> 00:10:36,160 Speaker 2: you look like you can still play well. My best 196 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:37,319 Speaker 2: by date is long gone. 197 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:37,880 Speaker 1: Right. 198 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:43,240 Speaker 2: So in that vein of what we did back then, 199 00:10:43,960 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 2: the offense we had kind of transmutated and became the 200 00:10:49,280 --> 00:10:52,719 Speaker 2: Giants offense. You know, whatever system we were running, and 201 00:10:52,800 --> 00:10:56,160 Speaker 2: I forget what was the impetus of it was the 202 00:10:56,200 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 2: beginning of it was we kind of took it and 203 00:10:59,120 --> 00:11:01,960 Speaker 2: transformed it into we did, and we made it our own, 204 00:11:02,600 --> 00:11:04,920 Speaker 2: and it was uniquely built to our talents and the 205 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:07,440 Speaker 2: way our team was built, and because we were able 206 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: to consistently have the same individuals on the field week 207 00:11:11,320 --> 00:11:13,599 Speaker 2: in and week out, we were able to turn it 208 00:11:13,600 --> 00:11:17,200 Speaker 2: into what it ultimately came to be, which was pretty 209 00:11:17,280 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 2: darn good offense. I would say, all. 210 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:22,000 Speaker 1: Right, the final question, and we're talking with Kareem McKenzie, 211 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,920 Speaker 1: and it's everybody has a different answer. So let's take 212 00:11:26,000 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 1: the Super Bowls out, because I mean, that's what that's 213 00:11:28,640 --> 00:11:33,040 Speaker 1: what you dream of. But is there a game that 214 00:11:33,480 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: is one that always puts you in a happy place? 215 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 1: You know, for some guys, it's the Dallas game in 216 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: the playoffs, Others it's Green Bay or San Francisco, or 217 00:11:44,520 --> 00:11:47,079 Speaker 1: whatever the case might be. Is there one game that 218 00:11:47,960 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 1: you remember that walking off the field or that postgame 219 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: locker room where you're like, man, that was that was 220 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,120 Speaker 1: some day or that was some night. 221 00:11:58,880 --> 00:12:02,400 Speaker 2: I honestly think we be unfair to say one game 222 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,880 Speaker 2: in particular sticks out, because there are quite a few, 223 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:11,719 Speaker 2: for me specifically, that do that. The one of them 224 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,440 Speaker 2: of which is the first game ever at the new 225 00:12:14,559 --> 00:12:18,840 Speaker 2: Dallas Stadium Jerry Land down there. The first home game 226 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: they ever had in that stadium was a overtime loss 227 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,959 Speaker 2: to us. You know, that will always be memorable because 228 00:12:27,000 --> 00:12:29,199 Speaker 2: it was like, oh, the first game ever, Like we 229 00:12:29,280 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: get to beat in the record books for this in particular. Right, 230 00:12:33,360 --> 00:12:37,839 Speaker 2: The second would be the NFC Championship game in Green Bay. 231 00:12:38,400 --> 00:12:45,360 Speaker 2: It was unbelievably cold. To have yourself be able to 232 00:12:45,440 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 2: perform in an environment like that, as cold as it was, 233 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,360 Speaker 2: I never planned on being that cold again in life. 234 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,480 Speaker 2: I will never wear short sleeves, shirt shorts sleeve's shirt 235 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,480 Speaker 2: ever outside anything that it could be a fire. I'm 236 00:12:57,520 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 2: going to find clothes first before I go outside, right, 237 00:13:00,880 --> 00:13:04,559 Speaker 2: And also I think the Super Bowls. Of course you 238 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: have to include those aspects because the first one two 239 00:13:09,280 --> 00:13:12,920 Speaker 2: thousand and seven, no one gave us a shot that 240 00:13:13,040 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 2: we would even be able to come close to what 241 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,680 Speaker 2: New England was on their offensive side of the ball, 242 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:21,959 Speaker 2: and we found a way to win. We found a 243 00:13:21,960 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: way to win the second one, and even prior to 244 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 2: that game during that season, when the New England Paters 245 00:13:29,640 --> 00:13:32,360 Speaker 2: came here and they were I think it might have 246 00:13:32,360 --> 00:13:33,959 Speaker 2: been the last game in the season for them. I 247 00:13:34,080 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: forget exactly where it was, but we were so close 248 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 2: to beating them that we knew if we saw them again, 249 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: we had a pretty good shot at getting it done. 250 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 2: So a lot of different games hold those memories, and honestly, 251 00:13:55,040 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 2: I would have to sit down and really think about it. 252 00:13:57,520 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: I'm going to give you one more because you were 253 00:14:02,000 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 1: playing the Ravens and Ray Lewis and the Ravens were 254 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 1: touting about how they hadn't given up one hundred yard 255 00:14:07,880 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: rusher in x amount, and they didn't give up one 256 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: hundred yard rusher that day. But I think as a team, 257 00:14:15,080 --> 00:14:17,600 Speaker 1: you ran for like two point fifty on them at 258 00:14:17,720 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: Giant Stadium, and that was where the offensive line was 259 00:14:23,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 1: in full force. Oh wait, oh wait, so. 260 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:33,040 Speaker 2: You know, interestingly enough, we didn't have a one hundred 261 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 2: yard rusher individually, but I think overall that season we 262 00:14:38,560 --> 00:14:41,880 Speaker 2: were close to having three running backs over one thousand yards, yes, 263 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:45,360 Speaker 2: for the whole season. So just the way we were 264 00:14:45,400 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 2: able to go ahead and run the ball as a whole. 265 00:14:48,880 --> 00:14:53,200 Speaker 2: And now I think about Yeah, that was the main 266 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 2: sticking point for them, And I think was it Rex? 267 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:58,160 Speaker 2: Was it defensive coordinator back then as well? 268 00:14:59,280 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I don't know Re was still there or had he 269 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: gone to the Jets yet, he might have still been there. 270 00:15:04,280 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 2: So I mean that was one of the things about 271 00:15:05,800 --> 00:15:10,080 Speaker 2: them that they were, you know, Hellodi Nagata. I mean, 272 00:15:10,240 --> 00:15:13,800 Speaker 2: just that defensive line as a whole. We knew it 273 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:15,840 Speaker 2: was going to be tough sledding to go ahead and 274 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:19,360 Speaker 2: get the ball going. But yeah, Rex was still there, 275 00:15:20,000 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 2: I thought, so I thought, so, you know, but yeah, 276 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: all those different aspects. You know, a lot of great memories. 277 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:32,200 Speaker 2: Got to do yourself here, gentlemen, go ahead, make sure 278 00:15:32,240 --> 00:15:33,840 Speaker 2: you can keep those good memories and you keep keep 279 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 2: that mind working right. But yeah, a lot of great stuff, 280 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: a lot of great stuff. Thank you, Kareem. 281 00:15:40,240 --> 00:15:43,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Kareem McKenzie, thank you for sharing your post playing 282 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 1: experiences well us as well as some times as the player. 283 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: We appreciate you. 284 00:15:48,480 --> 00:15:49,080 Speaker 2: Thank you very much. 285 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:51,960 Speaker 1: One of the top one hundred in the history of 286 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 1: the Giants on the Popper's perspective. Brought to you by 287 00:15:54,600 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 1: Bob's Discount Furniture, the official furniture store and Mattress partner 288 00:15:58,360 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: of the New York Giants.