WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: The Dog Suicide Bridge

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<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to. Yeah, bye bye, Thinking Sideways. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>think you never know stories of things we simply don't

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<v Speaker 1>know the answer too. Well. Hello, and welcome to Thinking

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<v Speaker 1>Sideways the podcast. I'm Steve, and we have another unusual

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<v Speaker 1>story for you this week. We do, so let's just

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<v Speaker 1>go this. This is. This is does not fall in

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<v Speaker 1>line with any of the stories that we've talked about before.

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<v Speaker 1>I kind of diverged a little bit here just bear

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<v Speaker 1>with me through this, dude. They have a format for

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<v Speaker 1>a reason, you know. Processor Yeah, our story starts in

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<v Speaker 1>West Dunbartonshire, Scotland, on the Overton House estate. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>Victorian house, was built in eighteen sixty two. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>large stone mansion sits on a palatial two thousand acre estate.

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<v Speaker 1>But the house is not actually the subject of our story.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh I know. Near the house is the Overton Bridge,

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<v Speaker 1>which was built in and spans the Overton Burn burns

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<v Speaker 1>Scottish for stream. Everything was going along perfectly fine, no

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<v Speaker 1>strange activity whatsoever until the nineteen fifties. Since the nineteen fifties,

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<v Speaker 1>over fifty dogs have apparently committed suicide by jumping from

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge and falling nearly fifty feet to their deaths

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<v Speaker 1>on the rocks flow. That's one a year that have

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<v Speaker 1>jumped and died. Another six hundred dogs have been reported

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<v Speaker 1>as jumping off of this bridge or trying to jump,

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<v Speaker 1>and either they made it and they survived the fall.

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<v Speaker 1>Some hit the bushes that are below. Some aren't that lucky,

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<v Speaker 1>or their owners were able to stop them from actually jump.

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<v Speaker 1>Why do people keep bringing their dogs to this bridge

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<v Speaker 1>that I want to know, that's a very good question.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not until recently the people have figured out that

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<v Speaker 1>it's an unleash area. It actually would be hilarious if

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<v Speaker 1>the dogs would just like leap over and take their

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<v Speaker 1>owners with them. Yeah, well that's that's not the way

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<v Speaker 1>it went. Uh. Those dogs that survived the fall, when

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<v Speaker 1>they were brought back to the bridge, they happily tried

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<v Speaker 1>to jump again. All of the dogs that have jumped

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<v Speaker 1>off of this bridge, there's some some things that are

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<v Speaker 1>consistencies in every situation. Every one of the dogs that

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<v Speaker 1>has jumped has been what's referred to as a long

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<v Speaker 1>nose breed, so that's a Labrador, a Collie retriever, that

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<v Speaker 1>type of dog. All of them have jumped from the

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<v Speaker 1>same spot. The spot is located between the last two

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<v Speaker 1>parapets on the right hand side of the bridge, and

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<v Speaker 1>every time a dog has jumped, it's also been on

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<v Speaker 1>a clear, sunny day. So, as you pointed out, Devon,

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<v Speaker 1>it is there is one of your dying. They're jumping

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<v Speaker 1>at a rate of one dog per month, So what's

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<v Speaker 1>caused It's an unknown phenomena. There's there's got to be

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<v Speaker 1>something going on, and of course theories abound, and we

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<v Speaker 1>have a number of theories, as always, some that sound plausible,

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<v Speaker 1>some that are a little bit off. Let's take a

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<v Speaker 1>look at them. Uh So. In Celtic mythology, the estate

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<v Speaker 1>is known to be a thin place, meaning that it

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<v Speaker 1>is an area between between two worlds where Heaven and

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<v Speaker 1>Earth meet, and because the veil is really thin there,

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<v Speaker 1>the animal can sensitor the dogs can sense it. So

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<v Speaker 1>some believe that because they can sense the bridge between

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<v Speaker 1>no pun intended, these two worlds, they're attracted to it

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<v Speaker 1>and in their excitements to get to this new place

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<v Speaker 1>that they know is they're they're jumping off the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>before they're realizing where they are, and so unbeknownst to them,

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<v Speaker 1>basically they're they're so excited they just go for it

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<v Speaker 1>and then discover too late that now they're falling. Huh m.

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<v Speaker 1>Other reports say the Overton houses hunted and that maybe

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<v Speaker 1>the spirits of the dogs who have died before are

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<v Speaker 1>luring the new dogs over because that sounds like a thing, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it really it does. It's possible, it could be. We

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Yeah, that weed by a dog be a

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<v Speaker 1>little odd. I don't even want to know, just little

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<v Speaker 1>ghostly piles of pooh period. I mean, dogs are pretty friendly, right,

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<v Speaker 1>So like that's the thing is you think? Okay, but

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<v Speaker 1>if a dog came back, why would that be the

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<v Speaker 1>thing that they do? Like, hey, you know it's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>be fun. Is killing a bunch of other dogs? Well,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe maybe they're just having fun and playing hey, co

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<v Speaker 1>follow me, co follow me, not realizing that the other

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<v Speaker 1>dog isn't a spirit as well quotes there. Or perhaps

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<v Speaker 1>they think they're doing him a favorite because doggy having

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<v Speaker 1>so so awesome. Or it could be the reverse. It

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<v Speaker 1>could be that their demon doggies and they're just doing

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<v Speaker 1>doing evil. So they're the dogs from Ghostbusters basically yea

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<v Speaker 1>evil dogs. Remember those? Yeah I do. Yeah, those were

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<v Speaker 1>demon doggies. I've never heard them referred to as demon doggies,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna run demon Okay. The next theory animal

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<v Speaker 1>behaviors were brought to the bridge to try and figure

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<v Speaker 1>out what's going on because nobody knows why the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>are leaping, and they wanted to see what would happen

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<v Speaker 1>and try and make whatever observations they could to get

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<v Speaker 1>down to the bottom of so brought a truckload of

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<v Speaker 1>dogs down and just observed them plumbing into their desks,

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<v Speaker 1>is how they So, based on the bridge's construction, it's

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<v Speaker 1>believed that what's going on is the dog's senses are

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<v Speaker 1>going into overload. Here's how how the construction of the

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<v Speaker 1>bridge is set up. The walls which they're jumping off

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<v Speaker 1>of our eighteen inches thick stone eighteen inches thicks and

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<v Speaker 1>it's got ivy growing over the top of it in

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<v Speaker 1>spots which is higher, which makes it above the plane

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<v Speaker 1>where a dog of that size can normally see. So

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<v Speaker 1>they don't have an idea that there's something else there,

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<v Speaker 1>So there there's sense of sight is deceived. The other

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<v Speaker 1>thing is that, of course it's going over a stream.

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<v Speaker 1>There's water falling onto rocks, and if you've ever been

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<v Speaker 1>on any kind of stone structure above a stream, the

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<v Speaker 1>echo can make it quite so now they can't rely

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<v Speaker 1>on their sense of hearing. While surveying the area. The

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<v Speaker 1>animal behaviors wanted to try and get down to the

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<v Speaker 1>bottom of it, so they started checking out the area

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<v Speaker 1>around and underneath the bridge, and they think that they

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<v Speaker 1>They say that they have found clues indicating that there's

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<v Speaker 1>a large population of mink living in the undergrowth below

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge. So the theory is is that the dogs

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<v Speaker 1>are on the bridge, they can't really see what's they

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<v Speaker 1>can't see over the edge, they can't hear very well.

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<v Speaker 1>But then they catch this really strong smell of mink.

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<v Speaker 1>And I have read accounts that evidently they are extremely extreme.

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<v Speaker 1>They're like ferrets and all those things, and the they

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<v Speaker 1>have a really strong owner. That's why is it for

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<v Speaker 1>crab page for example. I didn't know that, but they are.

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<v Speaker 1>They're really strong smelling, so the dogs can smell that.

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<v Speaker 1>Now we'll go back to one of the facts that

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<v Speaker 1>links every case, which happens on a clear, sunny day,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's heat rising from underneath the bridge. It's in

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<v Speaker 1>that air current is carrying that scent over, whereas on

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<v Speaker 1>a cool or windy day, the dogs wouldn't notice it

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<v Speaker 1>as much. And it's all dogs that are traditionally bred

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<v Speaker 1>to be hunters, so they're basic instinct is to go

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<v Speaker 1>for that, to chase that, right, I mean, that's that's

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<v Speaker 1>what they're bred to do, chase things like that exactly us. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they jump up on the bridge to pursue this smell.

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<v Speaker 1>And once they're up there and they realize where they're

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<v Speaker 1>at their momentum. Unfortunately then carries them right over the

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<v Speaker 1>brink and it's too late. Yeah, I could see the

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<v Speaker 1>first time around. I could see that. But the ones

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<v Speaker 1>that repeat it the second that they're trying to do

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<v Speaker 1>it again, It's like, dude, you know this so stranger,

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<v Speaker 1>so odd is that these dogs are happily doing it

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<v Speaker 1>again and nobody knows why that is. Yeah, dogs are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty good at learning not to do things that hurt

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<v Speaker 1>them pretty quick. You would think, Uh, there there has

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<v Speaker 1>been and I say this with some hesitation, there has

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<v Speaker 1>been a study done of the sense of the animals

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<v Speaker 1>that they found underneath the bridge of the droppings of

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<v Speaker 1>because they found mink, they found mice, and I can't

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<v Speaker 1>remember what the third animal was. And I watched their

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<v Speaker 1>their experiments because they videotaped the whole thing, and they

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of dogs in the field one at a time.

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<v Speaker 1>They would let them go and see which smell canister

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<v Speaker 1>they went to. But there was nothing to indicate how

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<v Speaker 1>accurate this was. In other words, was the mink at

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<v Speaker 1>the same odor level as the other two containers anything

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<v Speaker 1>like that. It was It was almost positive that this

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<v Speaker 1>supposed study was for one of those shows, the sensationalized shows.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh well, we're gonna get to the bottom of it

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<v Speaker 1>in today's episode. And you don't know how well this

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<v Speaker 1>experiment was set. And they did it with ten dogs.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, ten dogs. Seven out of ten went for

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<v Speaker 1>the mink. They go nuts over the man. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>go they didn't go bonkers. But the ones that went

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<v Speaker 1>for the mink did go straight towards it. They didn't

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<v Speaker 1>they didn't even bother with the other ones. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't know. Maybe the guy had put tons and

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<v Speaker 1>tons of mink scent in there and not a whole

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<v Speaker 1>lot in the other two because he doesn't know because

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<v Speaker 1>he can't smell it to the proper proportions. So there's there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's dubious to me as to the validity of that study.

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<v Speaker 1>So I I don't I don't know that that one's

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<v Speaker 1>very plausible to to rely upon. The other theory that

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<v Speaker 1>I've got here goes even farther, and it's not aliens

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<v Speaker 1>before you jump in. The aliens are my favorite thing.

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<v Speaker 1>I know they are, but even I can't draw a

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<v Speaker 1>connection for aliens on this one. No, it is depression

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<v Speaker 1>and suicidal tendencies. Here's the way the theory is going.

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<v Speaker 1>We all we all know that dogs are really tuned

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<v Speaker 1>into our emotions and the people they're around, they tend

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<v Speaker 1>to pick up those those cues and they'll react accordingly.

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<v Speaker 1>If somebody's sad, doggy sad, you're having the dogs happy.

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<v Speaker 1>So this theory that that is out there is that

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<v Speaker 1>the people who are walking their dogs across the bridge

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<v Speaker 1>are already in a depressed state of mind. Dog throws

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<v Speaker 1>himself to his desk and and they are looking out

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<v Speaker 1>over this vista and they're seeing how far down it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and they starting to contemplate maybe they don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>go on, but they're not sure. And that is being

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<v Speaker 1>transferred to their dogs somehow extremely well, to the point

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<v Speaker 1>that the dog is then running and jumping over the edge. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so I I could see that for like one or two,

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<v Speaker 1>but six hundred and fifty years, there's no way. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>and here's the other fact that to me disputes that

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<v Speaker 1>theory and and just puts it in, puts it to

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<v Speaker 1>the ground. In the entire hundred plus years that that

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<v Speaker 1>bridge has been there, one person has died from falling

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<v Speaker 1>off of the bridge, throwing themselves are just accidentally having

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<v Speaker 1>This is actually a really terrible story, but it was.

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<v Speaker 1>And a local man named Kevin moy he was evidently

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<v Speaker 1>severely depressed, having to illusions, and he threw his two

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<v Speaker 1>week old son off of the bridge and then tried

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<v Speaker 1>to jump himself. He now this, his state of mind

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<v Speaker 1>was obviously not solid because he thought that he was

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<v Speaker 1>the anti Christ and that his son was Satan. That

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<v Speaker 1>that's that's pretty far out there. And think again, if

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<v Speaker 1>it's only one person doing it, then that means that

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<v Speaker 1>to me, logically, this whole depression state from my owner

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<v Speaker 1>causes I don't Yeah, And why wouldn't be just this

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<v Speaker 1>bridge because there are plenty of places around the world

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<v Speaker 1>where people take their dogs and contemplate suicide. There's no

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<v Speaker 1>reason for it to be this one bridge. Yeah, I agree.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm leaning towards the mink theory. I think what they

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<v Speaker 1>needed is get some guys with playing throwers down there

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<v Speaker 1>and the barbecue all the mank and make sure they

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<v Speaker 1>don't come, make sure they know not to come back.

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<v Speaker 1>And then at the same time that's going to sort

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<v Speaker 1>of erratic hit the mink smell with the flamethrowers and

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<v Speaker 1>then and then just send a lot of dogs over

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge and see if they jump. Yeah, that that's

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<v Speaker 1>one way to go. As much as I hate to

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<v Speaker 1>say it, I kind of agree with Joe in terms

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<v Speaker 1>of the mink theory. Here's another little fact about the mink.

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<v Speaker 1>Mink were introduced to Scotland about a hundred years ago,

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<v Speaker 1>years ago something like that, but their populations in the

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<v Speaker 1>wild hadn't gotten that large, and it was only in

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<v Speaker 1>the fifties that it was known that there was a

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<v Speaker 1>large mink population just living in the wilds, which would

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<v Speaker 1>Land lend credence to. In the fifties is when all

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<v Speaker 1>this started. And there's you know, some massive warren of

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<v Speaker 1>mink living underneath that bridge because it's near water and

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<v Speaker 1>all these other things that they eat. So there is

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<v Speaker 1>some some factors there that make me lean that way,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. Yeah, I guess as far as

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<v Speaker 1>all of the theories go, that's the one that I

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<v Speaker 1>find the most plausible as well. But you know, why

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<v Speaker 1>a dog would do it a second or third or

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<v Speaker 1>fourth time baffling to me. You know, I know some

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<v Speaker 1>dumb dogs, but not that many dumb dogs, I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's a hard that's a hard one. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a big mystery to me. Is it a haunting?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it another world? Is it this animal instinct that's

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<v Speaker 1>driven by scent, that's that's causing him to jump? We

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<v Speaker 1>we just don't know. There's no hard evidence to exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what's causing and we can't ask the dogs. We'll wait

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<v Speaker 1>a second, maybe we can, Oh, we can we hire

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<v Speaker 1>a dog whisperer. Really had to go there. Yeah, pretty

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<v Speaker 1>much a story about dogs, of course. Okay, Well, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>glad we got that out of the way. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know, it's it indeed mysterious, but I'm kind of

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<v Speaker 1>curious stuff they have signs posted on the bridge. As

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<v Speaker 1>far as I know, there are no signs posted on

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<v Speaker 1>the bridge, And and I know that I don't remember

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<v Speaker 1>who said why do people keep walking their dogs there?

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<v Speaker 1>It evidently wasn't one of those things that was widely

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<v Speaker 1>reported to the public or that people knew about until

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<v Speaker 1>recent history, when people have started the stories hit the

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<v Speaker 1>internet and it's been on shows and people are figuring

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<v Speaker 1>it out now. And so I, like I said before,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure that anybody that takes a walk in

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<v Speaker 1>that area make sure that they have their dog on

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<v Speaker 1>the leash before they crossed the bridge. Yeah, that's just shocking.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, make sure your dog is not strong enough

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<v Speaker 1>to take you over with him too. That would be

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<v Speaker 1>a problem. Why wouldn't you put signs up? I don't know.

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<v Speaker 1>Why wouldn't you put like, you know, chain link fences

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place. Wouldn't you put a sign up? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't you know. That seems like the responsible caring

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<v Speaker 1>thing to do, Like a sign at either end that

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<v Speaker 1>just says caution, leash your dog. No, no suicide area. No,

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<v Speaker 1>it can't be. It can't be written in English because

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<v Speaker 1>that's racist. It would have to be written. It had

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<v Speaker 1>to be one of those big yellow and black diamond

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<v Speaker 1>shaped science It's got like a sort of picture of

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<v Speaker 1>a dog leaping up a bridge, you know, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>you think, I sure they could come up with some

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<v Speaker 1>kind of international sign for dogs suicide. Yeah, let's look

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<v Speaker 1>on the net. That's probably already is Scotland. They speak English,

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<v Speaker 1>they do speak it, funny. Yeah, But suppose that somebody

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<v Speaker 1>would like say like Japan, and they hear about this

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<v Speaker 1>bridge and they come there with their dog just to

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<v Speaker 1>check it out. They I know, I know, they deserve

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<v Speaker 1>to lose their dog, but maybe they do. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, we always solved that mystery. Maybe not. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't I don't think we solve that mystery as it is. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>if anybody else there has motivation to read about this story,

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<v Speaker 1>going to go ahead and get out of here and

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<v Speaker 1>we will talk to you next time. Everybody, I still

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<v Speaker 1>say it's aliens