1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:12,079 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. A 4 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 1: production of I Heart Radio. Hello, welcome back to the show. 5 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:28,319 Speaker 1: My name is Matt, my name is Nol. They called 6 00:00:28,320 --> 00:00:31,200 Speaker 1: me Ben. We're joined as always with our super producer 7 00:00:31,280 --> 00:00:35,479 Speaker 1: Alexis code name Doc Holiday Jackson. Most importantly, you are you, 8 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: You are here, and that makes this stuff they don't 9 00:00:38,720 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: want you to know. It's the top of the week, 10 00:00:41,760 --> 00:00:46,400 Speaker 1: which means it is time for some strange news. Coded 11 00:00:46,640 --> 00:00:53,520 Speaker 1: messages recently discovered planes possibly falling out of the sky 12 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: or at least partially falling out of the sky, and 13 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: then a choice between massive protests or exorcisms as we 14 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:07,000 Speaker 1: we find ourselves today, you guys, uh no, just to 15 00:01:07,040 --> 00:01:08,960 Speaker 1: set the stage, we've got a we've got a really 16 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:12,319 Speaker 1: great mix of things here. Uh No. You came to 17 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: us with a story that I don't I don't know 18 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:16,920 Speaker 1: if you had heard this matter was new to me. 19 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 1: I was incredibly surprised, and I think a lot of 20 00:01:21,000 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: our listeners will be surprised, because this is about a 21 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,480 Speaker 1: work of art that pretty much everyone knows, right, everyone's 22 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 1: seen the screen, even if they even if they didn't 23 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:36,160 Speaker 1: know what was called that. Yeah, I mean it's even 24 00:01:36,240 --> 00:01:41,200 Speaker 1: been immortalized in an emoji. You know, that whole hands 25 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:45,240 Speaker 1: on face Oh my god emoji is is absolutely a 26 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: nod uh to Edvard Munch's The Scream, and the entire 27 00:01:50,360 --> 00:01:54,000 Speaker 1: horror franchise of The Scream is almost, you could say, 28 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:58,000 Speaker 1: completely based on that face. You know, I I you 29 00:01:58,160 --> 00:02:01,480 Speaker 1: jest there, Matthew, But I will say that the look 30 00:02:01,560 --> 00:02:04,840 Speaker 1: of the Scream figure, with the elongated mouth and the 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: kind of wavy, wibbly wobbly features really reminds me of 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:14,280 Speaker 1: a lot of Japanese horror tropes like um uh junji Eto, 33 00:02:14,400 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: for example, where a lot of Japanese ghosts have these 34 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,640 Speaker 1: slack jawed kind of terror like existential staring into the 35 00:02:21,680 --> 00:02:25,000 Speaker 1: abyss kind of expressions on their face. Or you know, 36 00:02:25,160 --> 00:02:28,679 Speaker 1: the the big gotcha moment in The Ring the American 37 00:02:28,720 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 1: remake when the body in the closet it's its mouth 38 00:02:31,600 --> 00:02:34,359 Speaker 1: is kind of like, you know, like this gaping kind 39 00:02:34,400 --> 00:02:37,200 Speaker 1: of mauve of terror. To me, uh, A lot of 40 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:39,400 Speaker 1: that is inspired by the screen. And and that's the 41 00:02:39,400 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: thing about this painting, right, I mean anyone who Okay, 42 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,160 Speaker 1: don't want to leave anybody out. Just it's a you know, 43 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:47,639 Speaker 1: it's got kind of a oh, let's say, e Van 44 00:02:47,760 --> 00:02:50,560 Speaker 1: goi ish quality to the look of the sky everything. 45 00:02:50,639 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: So let's a surrealist painting obviously. Um but it's a 46 00:02:54,160 --> 00:02:56,079 Speaker 1: bridge and you can see a couple in the background 47 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,720 Speaker 1: walking the skies, very wavy, colorful kind of like um 48 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:04,920 Speaker 1: bands of oranges and blues and kind of amber and 49 00:03:05,080 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: light blues, and there's the sea in the background. But 50 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: everything's kind of twisting off of this weird vanishing point. 51 00:03:10,160 --> 00:03:14,880 Speaker 1: And in the foreground is this kind of wavy figure. Uh, yeah, 52 00:03:14,880 --> 00:03:18,399 Speaker 1: you're right, Matt. The mask in the movie Scream definitely 53 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 1: clearly based on this as well. But yeah, hands on face, 54 00:03:22,400 --> 00:03:25,120 Speaker 1: I'll McCauley culkin in Home Alone, which, by the way, 55 00:03:25,120 --> 00:03:28,120 Speaker 1: that never made sense. After shave doesn't burn unless you've 56 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: cut yourself. It doesn't just burn your face. I just 57 00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 1: wanted to point that out really quickly. Well never sat 58 00:03:33,840 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: that never sat well with me. Yeah, well, we don't 59 00:03:36,200 --> 00:03:39,800 Speaker 1: know what was in the after shave. The franchise is 60 00:03:40,040 --> 00:03:44,120 Speaker 1: entirely about taking innoculous things are making them weapons. Death. 61 00:03:44,920 --> 00:03:47,600 Speaker 1: That's a very good point. You never know. I could 62 00:03:47,600 --> 00:03:51,200 Speaker 1: have run in the family. Um. But anyway, the surrealist 63 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:57,600 Speaker 1: painter Edvard Munch uh painted this and I believe ben, 64 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: Isn't that right? Yeah, that's correct. The original German title 65 00:04:02,360 --> 00:04:06,560 Speaker 1: was der skrit Nature, Uh, the scream of nature, The 66 00:04:06,640 --> 00:04:09,600 Speaker 1: scream of nature. That is some Werner Herzog stuff right 67 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: there where he's like you and you hear the sound 68 00:04:12,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 1: of the birds and you think they're singing. That really 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: just screaming and terror. You know. It's a very German 70 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: kind of dire what's the word nihilistic kind of perspective, right, 71 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:28,680 Speaker 1: the scream of nature. But Edward Munch came by this 72 00:04:28,800 --> 00:04:32,960 Speaker 1: kind of existential dread honestly. Uh. Mental illness ran in 73 00:04:33,000 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 1: his family, especially with his sister Um. He was Norwegian, 74 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: and he talked often about the relationship between his mental 75 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 1: health and his work. He was reported to have suffered 76 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:51,200 Speaker 1: from hallucinations, uh, a nervous breakdown, agreaphobia, depression, you name it, 77 00:04:51,520 --> 00:04:54,359 Speaker 1: laundry list of of these kind of maladies. And he 78 00:04:54,480 --> 00:04:58,120 Speaker 1: said of this relationship, Uh, my fear of life is 79 00:04:58,240 --> 00:05:02,800 Speaker 1: necessary to me, as is my illness without anxiety and illness. 80 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,120 Speaker 1: I am a ship without a rudder. My sufferings are 81 00:05:06,200 --> 00:05:10,200 Speaker 1: part of myself and my art. They are indistinguishable from me, 82 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:14,560 Speaker 1: and their destruction would destroy my art. And this was 83 00:05:14,560 --> 00:05:18,120 Speaker 1: written in one of his journals. Illness, insanity, and death 84 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:21,799 Speaker 1: were the black angels that kept watch over my cradle 85 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:28,640 Speaker 1: and accompanied me all my life. Wow, yeah, there's dark stuff. Um, 86 00:05:28,680 --> 00:05:31,279 Speaker 1: but here's the thing that I didn't know. Edward Munch 87 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: apparently painted four different versions of the scream um and 88 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 1: on one of them. This is something that's been known 89 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:42,960 Speaker 1: for a long time. This part isn't the isn't the mystery? Uh? 90 00:05:43,040 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 1: There was? Well is the source of the mystery? Uh? 91 00:05:46,880 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 1: There was an inscription that's just just reads simply could 92 00:05:50,720 --> 00:05:55,000 Speaker 1: only have been painted by a madman. Um And And 93 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,560 Speaker 1: this has been a conversation in art circles, you know, 94 00:05:58,640 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: and for for a long time, whether this was some 95 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,400 Speaker 1: kind of graffiti that was done while it was on 96 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: display or who knows what where this came from. One 97 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: popular idea was that it was vandalized by someone that 98 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:18,240 Speaker 1: didn't like the piece, or that it was meant to 99 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 1: be an insult, you know, like like what is this trash? 100 00:06:21,160 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 1: This could only have been painted by us, someone who 101 00:06:23,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 1: with a sick mind, you know, something like that. Um 102 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:28,920 Speaker 1: And and there had been talk from the start that 103 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: the that that Munch had done it himself, but now 104 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:36,880 Speaker 1: some new deep analysis of the work has proven that 105 00:06:36,960 --> 00:06:41,000 Speaker 1: it was in fact Munch himself who wrote this. It's 106 00:06:41,000 --> 00:06:44,360 Speaker 1: written in pencil, um and it's really hard to see 107 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,920 Speaker 1: just by looking at it up close. Theory Ford, who 108 00:06:48,000 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: is the paintings conservator at the National Museum of Norway, 109 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:55,080 Speaker 1: made a statement about this discovery. Through a microscope, you 110 00:06:55,080 --> 00:06:58,239 Speaker 1: can see that the pencil lines are physically on top 111 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,279 Speaker 1: of the paint and have been applied after the painting 112 00:07:01,320 --> 00:07:05,400 Speaker 1: was finished. Um. But it wasn't clear when or why 113 00:07:05,760 --> 00:07:08,400 Speaker 1: this happened. Um And Yeah again, this is just one 114 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 1: of four versions. The other ones have no such inscription. Um. 115 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:15,200 Speaker 1: So you know, I don't know, it's it's not like 116 00:07:15,360 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: a deep, deep mystery. But I just I think it's interesting. 117 00:07:18,240 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: I think the it's an interesting excuse to talk about 118 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,360 Speaker 1: the intersection of mental health or illness um and art. 119 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,640 Speaker 1: And also I just love a good hidden message, you know, 120 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 1: And I love a good hidden message mystery. Um. But yeah, 121 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:36,120 Speaker 1: this guy um my britt go Ling, who's the curator 122 00:07:36,160 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: at the National Museum of Norway and his team actually 123 00:07:39,320 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: used infrared photography to make the the definition in the 124 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:48,520 Speaker 1: pencil marks a lot clearer, and then they were able 125 00:07:48,560 --> 00:07:51,520 Speaker 1: to do a handwriting analysis and compare it to those 126 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: diaries that I was reading from earlier. Um. So they 127 00:07:54,400 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: it turned out that it was none other than the 128 00:07:56,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 1: artist himself that had whether whether as a critique of 129 00:08:00,960 --> 00:08:03,840 Speaker 1: his own work, or whether like as a comment on 130 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: his own you know, mental health or or what. Um. 131 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,640 Speaker 1: But it's interesting, and Googling said, the writing is without 132 00:08:10,640 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: a doubt Munch's own. The handwriting itself, as well as 133 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:15,920 Speaker 1: events that happened in eighteen five when Months showed the 134 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: painting in Norway for the first time, all point in 135 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:24,000 Speaker 1: the same direction. Yeah. Yes, so interesting thing about this inscription. 136 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,680 Speaker 1: I agree with you. Code of messages are super cool. Uh. 137 00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: Obviously very into those. Uh. This inscription was first noticed 138 00:08:34,280 --> 00:08:37,000 Speaker 1: way back in nineteen o four. But like you said, no, 139 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:41,080 Speaker 1: they had no idea who wrote it. Why was it 140 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,600 Speaker 1: just some jerk handling the painting who was like, hey, 141 00:08:44,679 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: upper left hand corner. Uh? But what the team you're 142 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 1: talking about? What they did with that infrared photography conclusively proves, 143 00:08:53,559 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: based on other extant handwriting, that this was Munch himself 144 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:05,640 Speaker 1: and he probably, uh probably was reacting adversely to criticism, 145 00:09:05,720 --> 00:09:09,280 Speaker 1: which I think they were even able to find the time, right, 146 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 1: did we say that eleven years about eleven years after 147 00:09:12,160 --> 00:09:17,200 Speaker 1: the painting was made, um, when it was exhibited in 148 00:09:17,280 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: Norway at the blum Quist Gallery. Um. And yeah, it 149 00:09:21,520 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: absolutely drew some pretty nasty criticism because at the time, 150 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: I mean, it was uh, pretty radical, you know, it was. 151 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,800 Speaker 1: It was a very you know, it was not the 152 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: classical style that that would have been preferred, especially in 153 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,280 Speaker 1: that part of the country you know where I mean 154 00:09:37,320 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: not not that Norway is the same as Holland, but 155 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: it's close enough to that part of the country where 156 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:44,160 Speaker 1: you had this focus on like the masters and you know, 157 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: the the Dutch masters and and technique and all of that. 158 00:09:48,320 --> 00:09:53,120 Speaker 1: And this is much more of a radical kind of approach, 159 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:56,960 Speaker 1: very psychedelic and distorted view of the world. And yeah, 160 00:09:57,040 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: this art critic Henrik grossh Uh wrote that this painting 161 00:10:02,480 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: was proof positive that people should not quote consider much 162 00:10:06,320 --> 00:10:12,800 Speaker 1: a serious man with a normal brain. Normalcy. Normalcy is 163 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:16,360 Speaker 1: a myth that has done a lot of damage simply 164 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:21,520 Speaker 1: by the convenience with which the definition of normalcy has 165 00:10:21,600 --> 00:10:25,640 Speaker 1: changed in any given society at a given time. Um, 166 00:10:25,880 --> 00:10:29,640 Speaker 1: can you imagine just a world full of completely fine, 167 00:10:29,760 --> 00:10:35,240 Speaker 1: mentally stable artists. Everyone's just everyone's fine. No one has problems, 168 00:10:35,280 --> 00:10:39,120 Speaker 1: no one has a backstory life with pain or anger. 169 00:10:39,240 --> 00:10:42,040 Speaker 1: I'm sorry I fought myself sving into a coma imagining 170 00:10:42,120 --> 00:10:45,640 Speaker 1: that world is out of boredom. Well, I think, um, 171 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: you know, everybody listening to today's show, and all of 172 00:10:50,240 --> 00:10:54,240 Speaker 1: us making today's show, should consider ourselves very fortunate to 173 00:10:54,280 --> 00:10:58,959 Speaker 1: live in a time when mental illness is increasingly destigmatized. 174 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 1: Because one thing that I believe hurt much intensely was 175 00:11:04,120 --> 00:11:08,760 Speaker 1: not just the allegations of his own mental state, uh, 176 00:11:08,800 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 1: but that they were his His negative feelings were exacerbated 177 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 1: by the known mental illness struggles of other members of 178 00:11:19,000 --> 00:11:21,640 Speaker 1: his family. And this stuff can run in families. So 179 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:25,160 Speaker 1: it's um, I don't often say it, but the species 180 00:11:25,200 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: has come a long way, I think in handling of 181 00:11:29,960 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 1: mental conditions. We've touched on some of this in previous 182 00:11:34,520 --> 00:11:37,800 Speaker 1: episodes of the show or in previous segments, but any 183 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,960 Speaker 1: anybody listening out there. You know, we're not blowing smoke 184 00:11:41,040 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 1: when we say this stuff is important and you do 185 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: need to make yourself a priority. Also, nobody really has 186 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,680 Speaker 1: all the answers. I don't know if we all agree, 187 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: but I'm I'm saying that normalcy is to a large extent, 188 00:11:56,240 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: a made up thing. It's a social fiction. It really. 189 00:12:00,040 --> 00:12:03,440 Speaker 1: He reminds me of this David Bowie lyric from the 190 00:12:03,480 --> 00:12:05,800 Speaker 1: album The Man Who Sold the World. There's a song 191 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:08,079 Speaker 1: on it that's fantastic. It's kind of a deep cut. 192 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:10,679 Speaker 1: It's called All the mad Men, and there's a lyric 193 00:12:10,760 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 1: that says, because I'd rather stay here with all the 194 00:12:13,520 --> 00:12:16,840 Speaker 1: mad men than perish with the sad men roaming free. 195 00:12:17,080 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: And I'd rather play here with all the mad men, 196 00:12:19,760 --> 00:12:22,320 Speaker 1: for I'm quite content they're all the same as me. 197 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,240 Speaker 1: It kind of brings it tear to my eye, actually, 198 00:12:25,320 --> 00:12:28,360 Speaker 1: because it's powerful stuff. You know, it's like the idea 199 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,439 Speaker 1: of sanity and madness and that that continuum. Yeah, it's 200 00:12:32,480 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 1: absolutely a myth. And anyone that can see the world 201 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:37,640 Speaker 1: in a different way used to be considered insane, and 202 00:12:37,679 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: now we call it something different. Well, also, let's consider 203 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:47,320 Speaker 1: that there's very compelling evidence that throughout human civilization, UH, 204 00:12:47,520 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 1: people were sometimes lauded uh for things that would be 205 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:56,080 Speaker 1: understood to be mental conditions these days, you know, we're 206 00:12:56,400 --> 00:13:01,800 Speaker 1: soothsayers or it's of old uh. But we have to 207 00:13:01,800 --> 00:13:05,720 Speaker 1: remember for every one or two of those kinds of cases, 208 00:13:06,160 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: there were hundreds, if not hundreds of thousands of other 209 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:14,960 Speaker 1: people who were stigmatized, persecuted, isolated, chased out a town 210 00:13:15,440 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 1: like like look at the trial of Peter Stump, who 211 00:13:19,320 --> 00:13:24,040 Speaker 1: seemed too genuinely believe he was a wearewolf. That that's 212 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 1: like if you saw that in a court today, your 213 00:13:26,320 --> 00:13:29,680 Speaker 1: first thing, to your first move, whether prosecution or defense, 214 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:31,880 Speaker 1: would be to go for a psychovowl, wouldn't it. Yeah, 215 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,800 Speaker 1: no doubt, no doubt. Um. And it's just really quickly 216 00:13:35,800 --> 00:13:38,400 Speaker 1: to wrap this up according to this really great article 217 00:13:38,480 --> 00:13:41,040 Speaker 1: that I think broke the story in the Live Science 218 00:13:41,120 --> 00:13:42,880 Speaker 1: or anyway, it was one of of just a few 219 00:13:43,080 --> 00:13:45,160 Speaker 1: places that I saw this, but by far the most 220 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,440 Speaker 1: in depth. UM. Around that same time that that art 221 00:13:48,480 --> 00:13:52,839 Speaker 1: critic Henrik Gross said those not particularly nice things about 222 00:13:52,960 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: Munch's mental state. Um, there was a student society in 223 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:01,640 Speaker 1: Christanna that had like a forum devoted to discussing the 224 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,959 Speaker 1: art of Edward Edward Munch, and there's a lot of 225 00:14:05,000 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: positive feedback. You know, they're you know, students were gonna 226 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:10,880 Speaker 1: be the first ones to the table as far as like, 227 00:14:11,160 --> 00:14:14,560 Speaker 1: you know, interesting more cutting his stuff usually. But then 228 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: there was a medical student named Johann Scharfenberg who openly 229 00:14:20,080 --> 00:14:25,160 Speaker 1: questioned Munch's mental state um and It's believed that Munch 230 00:14:25,280 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: was there and took this very personally um and and 231 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,280 Speaker 1: wrote about it often in his letters and his diary 232 00:14:32,840 --> 00:14:36,600 Speaker 1: um after that for for quite a few decades. Uh 233 00:14:36,640 --> 00:14:43,120 Speaker 1: and in general, he was concerned about hereditary diseases um 234 00:14:43,240 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 1: and and the the inheritance of these traits. And he 235 00:14:47,000 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: he was concerned that he was going to be on 236 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:51,640 Speaker 1: the decline as he got older. But according to googling, 237 00:14:51,720 --> 00:14:54,960 Speaker 1: the curator at the National Museum of Norway uh he says, 238 00:14:54,960 --> 00:14:57,680 Speaker 1: the theory is that Munch wrote this comments on the 239 00:14:57,680 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: painting after hearing Scharfenberg's judgment on his mental health, sometime 240 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:05,000 Speaker 1: in or after. It's reasonable to assume that he did 241 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 1: it quite soon after, either during or following the exhibition 242 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:12,640 Speaker 1: in Christagna. So he basically defaced his own painting. Well 243 00:15:12,920 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 1: whatever call it what you will, but he didn't do 244 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: it like as part of the you know, initial design. 245 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: It was. It was something that he kind of did 246 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:24,880 Speaker 1: almost as a little f you kind of or perhaps 247 00:15:24,920 --> 00:15:30,040 Speaker 1: self criticism. I'm really not sure exactly and actually that's 248 00:15:30,040 --> 00:15:33,400 Speaker 1: exactly right then, but it's certainly according to Goolong, and 249 00:15:33,400 --> 00:15:38,760 Speaker 1: I completely agree, Uh really showed and expressed his vulnerability 250 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,200 Speaker 1: and his insecurity and his introspection. And there are two 251 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: you know, we see this happen in the arts. Um 252 00:15:47,320 --> 00:15:50,080 Speaker 1: It's not infrequent, you know what I mean, that somebody 253 00:15:50,200 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: might burn their novel in the days before digital writing 254 00:15:54,640 --> 00:15:59,080 Speaker 1: became pre imminent, or someone might deface their own sculpture, 255 00:15:59,240 --> 00:16:02,760 Speaker 1: their own teen and so on, or destroy the music 256 00:16:03,000 --> 00:16:06,960 Speaker 1: they have created, because this is a very uh sensitive 257 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: heart of anybody, any person, Psyche and I would argue 258 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:14,240 Speaker 1: too that there is a tendency towards some people, for 259 00:16:14,280 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a number of reasons, to resent creative work by someone 260 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:25,200 Speaker 1: that they know there's something about this species that likes uh, 261 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:29,560 Speaker 1: works of genius or works of you know, profound creativity 262 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: at a remove, you know what I mean, Even even 263 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:37,160 Speaker 1: things aren't necessarily you know, brilliant, like people like to 264 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: think of celebrities as not real people, but people that 265 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,280 Speaker 1: are on the internet. Over there you can't see in 266 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 1: the camera frame, but I'm throwing my right arm way 267 00:16:45,880 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: way off camera. UM. So it always reminds me of this, um, 268 00:16:50,600 --> 00:16:54,280 Speaker 1: this Emerson quote that I that I find so so 269 00:16:54,360 --> 00:16:58,320 Speaker 1: appropriate for this. In every work of genius, we recognize 270 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 1: our own rejected thoughts. They come back to us with 271 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,280 Speaker 1: a certain alienated majesty. And I think that's something that 272 00:17:05,960 --> 00:17:09,520 Speaker 1: art communicates very well. You know. Art speaks to people 273 00:17:09,920 --> 00:17:13,119 Speaker 1: and it's telling you something that in some way you 274 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:19,000 Speaker 1: experience yourself so away. Sorry word words slid rambling. No, 275 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 1: and you guys are made great points. I just think 276 00:17:21,080 --> 00:17:26,240 Speaker 1: it's amazing that Munch wrote the perfect sarcastic clap back 277 00:17:26,560 --> 00:17:31,520 Speaker 1: tweet pain. Yes, yeah, yes, he got the character. It's 278 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,640 Speaker 1: a subtweet, is what they call it. Little little known 279 00:17:34,720 --> 00:17:39,359 Speaker 1: fact yet Twitter is based on this coded message by Munch. 280 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:43,200 Speaker 1: It's nobody ever reads there about page you know. Um. 281 00:17:43,680 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: One important note though, I do feel like we should add, 282 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: whenever we talk about things of this nature without being sanctimonious, 283 00:17:51,119 --> 00:17:55,640 Speaker 1: please remember, if you yourself are struggling in some way, 284 00:17:55,840 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: there are resources out there. They are available. You can 285 00:18:00,160 --> 00:18:04,400 Speaker 1: stop this podcast now if if you wish, we hope 286 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:06,640 Speaker 1: that you pick it up later, and you can call 287 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 1: one eight hundred two seven three eight to five five. 288 00:18:11,960 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: That's one eight hundred two seven three talk. Uh, it's 289 00:18:16,440 --> 00:18:20,320 Speaker 1: it's the seven contact line for Mental Health America. And 290 00:18:20,359 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: if you happen not to be in the US listening 291 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 1: to this, your country probably has a call in line 292 00:18:26,040 --> 00:18:28,760 Speaker 1: like this because they are so very important, So do 293 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,920 Speaker 1: take advantage of them. Do not hesitate. There are people 294 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,240 Speaker 1: there for you. Absolutely. Um. And with that, I think 295 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:39,080 Speaker 1: that's a great place to take a quick break. And 296 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:49,320 Speaker 1: we're back with more strange news. And we are back. 297 00:18:49,560 --> 00:18:53,960 Speaker 1: Our next story takes us to India where there is 298 00:18:54,000 --> 00:18:59,000 Speaker 1: an ongoing massive protests. I want to think. Uh, many 299 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,040 Speaker 1: people who have reached out to me on social media 300 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: to ask about this, especially shally S, thank you so much. Uh. 301 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: This is a story that I think is is going 302 00:19:11,040 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 1: to be of great importance to history, and so it's 303 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:19,520 Speaker 1: weird that it's not being explored more in the present day. 304 00:19:19,720 --> 00:19:23,840 Speaker 1: Here's what's happening. So back in September, there were three 305 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:27,640 Speaker 1: laws that were passed by the current government of India 306 00:19:28,000 --> 00:19:34,640 Speaker 1: to deregulate India's agricultural sector. As the world's largest democracy, 307 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:39,879 Speaker 1: you can imagine their agricultural industry is also pretty gargangeline. 308 00:19:40,640 --> 00:19:45,280 Speaker 1: The farmers in this country are the number among the 309 00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:50,800 Speaker 1: poorest people in a country that has historically struggled with poverty, 310 00:19:50,840 --> 00:19:55,159 Speaker 1: at least in recent history. And the Prime Minister Moody 311 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:59,800 Speaker 1: says that these these laws in September when they're when 312 00:19:59,800 --> 00:20:03,639 Speaker 1: they're push through, Moody was arguing that these laws will 313 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: quote unquote liberate farmers from the tyranny of middlemen. But 314 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:12,520 Speaker 1: the farmers feared that they would lose much more than 315 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:17,160 Speaker 1: they might gain under this new regiment of laws. They 316 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:23,960 Speaker 1: said the main beneficiaries will be agricultural corporations, and history 317 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,840 Speaker 1: has proven that with these sorts of laws that's usually true. 318 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:32,520 Speaker 1: So what did the farmers do. They took to the 319 00:20:32,720 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: streets in a massive ongoing protest. Before we dive into 320 00:20:40,119 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 1: too much about these protests and the government's response, let's 321 00:20:43,600 --> 00:20:48,560 Speaker 1: be clear about what these laws do, these new farm laws. First, 322 00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:52,199 Speaker 1: there are these things called Mandy's m A and d 323 00:20:52,440 --> 00:20:57,399 Speaker 1: I s uh. These are government regulated markets. One of 324 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:03,520 Speaker 1: these new laws made it easier for farmers to bypass 325 00:21:03,640 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 1: those government related markets and go towards kind of a 326 00:21:07,520 --> 00:21:09,639 Speaker 1: you could call it a free market thing. They're selling 327 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 1: produced directly to private buyers instead of going through this 328 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:19,040 Speaker 1: market system. Second, they can enter into contracts with private companies. 329 00:21:19,440 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: This is something known as contract farming. They could sell 330 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:28,520 Speaker 1: across state borders. This also allows people who are trading food, produce, etcetera, 331 00:21:28,720 --> 00:21:34,200 Speaker 1: to stockpilot. Now, formerly there were prohibitions against too much 332 00:21:34,200 --> 00:21:38,320 Speaker 1: hoarding because it made it easier for food traders to 333 00:21:38,520 --> 00:21:41,080 Speaker 1: rig the market. You know what I mean, to maybe 334 00:21:41,080 --> 00:21:47,200 Speaker 1: price gouge to take advantage of natural disasters, right or 335 00:21:47,240 --> 00:21:50,760 Speaker 1: a pandemic for instance. Uh, Like, we saw what happened 336 00:21:50,760 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: with the storm in Texas. The power grids massively price gouged, 337 00:21:55,359 --> 00:21:57,200 Speaker 1: and they were free to do so. There was not 338 00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 1: federal regulation that prevented that practice. So here's the concern 339 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: these farmers have with these rules. One of the big 340 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,399 Speaker 1: ones is that the new rules remove a lot of 341 00:22:09,440 --> 00:22:14,639 Speaker 1: the historical safeguards farmers depended on for their livelihood. More 342 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: than eighty six percent of India's arable land or cultivated 343 00:22:19,200 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: farmland they would call it, is controlled by very small operations. 344 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,479 Speaker 1: We're talking to farmers who own less than five acres 345 00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 1: of land each. It's sort of a stark one eight 346 00:22:31,640 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: from the situation here in the US, where a lot 347 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:37,600 Speaker 1: of the agricultural land is owned by a small number 348 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:41,919 Speaker 1: of companies collectively known as agri business. So these folks, 349 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,160 Speaker 1: you know, you've got five acres of land, do live 350 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,960 Speaker 1: or die based on that land? And what happens if 351 00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,400 Speaker 1: the laws that were meant to protect you and your 352 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:57,320 Speaker 1: colleagues are removed. You won't have the bargaining power that 353 00:22:57,440 --> 00:23:01,399 Speaker 1: the big businesses have. You won't be able to negotiate 354 00:23:01,440 --> 00:23:03,960 Speaker 1: the kind of prices you need for a decent standard 355 00:23:04,119 --> 00:23:06,840 Speaker 1: of living. I know this gets into a lot of 356 00:23:06,880 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: stuff that is culturally or or politically sensitive here in 357 00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:13,560 Speaker 1: the US, but we have to understand it's a very 358 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:18,040 Speaker 1: different situation because this is an entirely different country. The 359 00:23:18,119 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: economics at play are also themselves different. So these farmers 360 00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: believe that the government has betrayed them and it's left 361 00:23:26,840 --> 00:23:33,080 Speaker 1: them at the mercy of big corporations. Also, hang on, 362 00:23:33,119 --> 00:23:36,400 Speaker 1: you might say, why go protest. It's a law, which 363 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:39,240 Speaker 1: means it exists in the legal sphere, right, Why don't 364 00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:42,959 Speaker 1: we just go to court. That's what courts are for. Well, 365 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,760 Speaker 1: not so fast. Pump your brakes, folks. Even if you 366 00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:50,840 Speaker 1: are a smallhold farmer who can afford to take the 367 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: time and the expense to navigate this byzantine legal system, 368 00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 1: you're gonna run up against another problem part of the 369 00:23:58,520 --> 00:24:01,760 Speaker 1: new laws. If you want to resolve a dispute and 370 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:04,680 Speaker 1: you are a farmer, you can go to something called 371 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 1: a conciliation board, or you can go to admin officers 372 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: or an appleate authority. But you can't go to a 373 00:24:12,920 --> 00:24:16,760 Speaker 1: regular court. So that's a that's a hell of a 374 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: catch twenty two Right, it's like sounds like an arbitration 375 00:24:20,040 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: clause or something you know exactly right, Matt. Just so 376 00:24:23,240 --> 00:24:26,000 Speaker 1: it very much is uh. And now we have to 377 00:24:26,040 --> 00:24:29,120 Speaker 1: understand because this is food, this is just like water. 378 00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:35,000 Speaker 1: It has this huge ripple effect across society. And bypassing 379 00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: the mandis depending on how you feel about the role 380 00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:41,840 Speaker 1: of government regulation in these kind of things. Um, bypassing 381 00:24:42,080 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: these government regulated marketplaces could make trouble for a lot 382 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: of people who depend on those prices to be predictable, 383 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,359 Speaker 1: right and to maintain a certain price point. So another 384 00:24:55,440 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: thing you might be asking astute listeners. Hey Ben, you 385 00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:03,320 Speaker 1: said these laws were passed in September. That's true. It's 386 00:25:03,400 --> 00:25:08,040 Speaker 1: the end of February. Wire farmers protesting now because get this, 387 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 1: Matt Noel doc everybody. No one in the government bothered 388 00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: to check with the farmers before they changed the laws. 389 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:21,760 Speaker 1: Oh they weren't. There is no consultation. You mean when 390 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 1: when politicians were attempting to push through their legislation on 391 00:25:25,480 --> 00:25:29,160 Speaker 1: behalf of the corporations. What Yeah, But so they wanted 392 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:31,959 Speaker 1: to enforce these laws as the pandemic was ramping up 393 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:36,159 Speaker 1: in India in June. First they phrased them as emergency 394 00:25:36,400 --> 00:25:41,119 Speaker 1: ordinances and then Parliament passed them in September, all without 395 00:25:41,160 --> 00:25:46,360 Speaker 1: consulting the people who were arguably most affected, most adversely 396 00:25:46,400 --> 00:25:50,840 Speaker 1: affected by these huge changes. So the people went to 397 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,720 Speaker 1: the streets taking people power. Uh. There was a month 398 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:58,160 Speaker 1: long protest in various states in India. In some places 399 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,040 Speaker 1: like in Punjab, they blocked trains. They said, okay, look, 400 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:04,679 Speaker 1: you're gonna mess with our industry and we need to 401 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,560 Speaker 1: be heard. Then we're going to mess with things you 402 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,400 Speaker 1: care about, like other industries will mess with the money. Right, 403 00:26:11,640 --> 00:26:15,359 Speaker 1: That's what some protests and boycotts are about uh, just 404 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: to be fair, as you can guess, the government said, 405 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,159 Speaker 1: fiddle d d more or less, your fears are misplaced. 406 00:26:23,200 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: You are being taken advantage of by opposition political parties. 407 00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:32,439 Speaker 1: We know what's best. This is really greater good. So 408 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: what what do you guys think? Have you heard much 409 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:37,359 Speaker 1: about the protests, the farmer protests in India? I had 410 00:26:37,400 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: honestly not heard much neither of that. But just in 411 00:26:41,160 --> 00:26:44,399 Speaker 1: some of the some of the reporting on this story 412 00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 1: and looking at the law Fair blog that is the 413 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: link that you posted, Ben, I'm just reading a little 414 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,879 Speaker 1: bit about kind of I know it's statistics and I'm 415 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 1: trying to look at the big picture here. Um On. 416 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:02,160 Speaker 1: Here it's saying that a owned fifty of the entire 417 00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,919 Speaker 1: workforce within India is in the farming sector in some 418 00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,000 Speaker 1: way or associated with it in some way. Um that's 419 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: how they make their money. But farming only makes up 420 00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:15,240 Speaker 1: about fift fifteen one five percent of the country's gross 421 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:19,359 Speaker 1: domestic product, which means that's a ton of people to 422 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:24,199 Speaker 1: spread all of that possible wealth out right. And we 423 00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: also know something just from our reporting on farmers within 424 00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:31,360 Speaker 1: the US just how expensive farming can be, the loans 425 00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,800 Speaker 1: you essentially have to take out, no matter what kind 426 00:27:33,840 --> 00:27:36,520 Speaker 1: of farming you're doing, in order to have land and 427 00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: equipment and all of those things. What my understanding is 428 00:27:39,880 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: that there's already and forgive me for using this phrase, 429 00:27:43,160 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 1: this is in reporting that I'm looking at, but a 430 00:27:46,080 --> 00:27:51,160 Speaker 1: essentially a crisis of self harm of suicide amongst farmers, 431 00:27:51,200 --> 00:27:54,439 Speaker 1: both in the United States and in India. And I'm certain, 432 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:56,600 Speaker 1: but I don't have the details to back it up. 433 00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: In many parts of the world where farming is increasingly 434 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,399 Speaker 1: kind of being pushed to that edge right where there 435 00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,520 Speaker 1: are a lot of people involved in it. It's crucial, 436 00:28:04,560 --> 00:28:06,239 Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of money in it, and 437 00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:10,560 Speaker 1: it's very expensive to operate within. That's really what I'm 438 00:28:10,560 --> 00:28:15,160 Speaker 1: thinking about here, the individual, like you said, farming family 439 00:28:15,400 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: or group, small farm group, that has to bear the 440 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:22,520 Speaker 1: brunt of of what it means, what these what do 441 00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 1: they call mandy's, what these mandy's actually mean for them personally, um, 442 00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:29,960 Speaker 1: and then trying to square that with all the pressures 443 00:28:29,960 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: they're already under. Right, And I'm glad you brought this 444 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,359 Speaker 1: up map because according to the Indian Express, there is 445 00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,479 Speaker 1: something that could be called a suicide epidemic. That's how 446 00:28:38,480 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 1: it's been reported. Uh. In Punjab alone, there were two 447 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty one farmers suicides last year over that 448 00:28:48,680 --> 00:28:52,520 Speaker 1: is part of a larger issue or a larger pattern. 449 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:56,400 Speaker 1: On average last year, according to a couple of sources, 450 00:28:56,600 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 1: we were looking at the suicide of about five farmers 451 00:29:00,040 --> 00:29:05,320 Speaker 1: her week over the course of the year. And additionally, 452 00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:10,040 Speaker 1: you know, people are dying during the protest, during the chaos, 453 00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,840 Speaker 1: or during the cold wave when that was at its peak. Uh. 454 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:19,320 Speaker 1: This this is not a metaphorical struggle, is what I mean? 455 00:29:19,440 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? This is not symbolic. Uh, 456 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:26,360 Speaker 1: there are people who have real concrete needs. They are dying, 457 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,959 Speaker 1: some by their own hands because of the impossible conditions 458 00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:36,480 Speaker 1: that they are faced with. Opponents of the government's decisions 459 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:40,520 Speaker 1: are saying things like these are pure murders. The government 460 00:29:40,560 --> 00:29:43,600 Speaker 1: could have solved the problem within a week of farmers 461 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:47,360 Speaker 1: reaching the borders of Delhi, but the government was indifferent 462 00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 1: to its own people. And we can see the pattern 463 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:56,680 Speaker 1: appears to be escalating unfortunately. And in five months span 464 00:29:56,800 --> 00:30:02,040 Speaker 1: June October, there were about e farmers who committed suicide 465 00:30:02,360 --> 00:30:05,680 Speaker 1: at an average of eighteen to nineteen suicides every month. 466 00:30:05,920 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: But then from October to December thirty one, just just 467 00:30:11,000 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: in that shorter span of time, nineties six farmers, people 468 00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:21,720 Speaker 1: associated with the agricultural industry took their own lives. This, yeah, 469 00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:28,000 Speaker 1: this is having a real measurable, multi generational impact on 470 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,120 Speaker 1: on the lives of these people, who would arguably be 471 00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:34,880 Speaker 1: the first folks the government should be helping in this case. 472 00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: And you know, of course, um, Matt, Noel, Doc and 473 00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,680 Speaker 1: I we have never lived in India, right, we are 474 00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:47,880 Speaker 1: not ourselves associated with the agricultural industry there. But this, 475 00:30:47,880 --> 00:30:51,280 Speaker 1: this is serious, and this appears set to worsen on 476 00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 1: a number of levels unless something changes, because the big 477 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:57,760 Speaker 1: thing with those Mandy's that we mentioned is that they 478 00:30:57,800 --> 00:31:03,080 Speaker 1: set a minimum, like a a minimum price that a 479 00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,040 Speaker 1: farmer will get for their crop on certain crops. Right, 480 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:09,200 Speaker 1: so no matter what an auction goes like to a trader, 481 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:13,760 Speaker 1: you will at least get you know, X amount of 482 00:31:13,840 --> 00:31:18,760 Speaker 1: currency for why amount of food or great you know, um, 483 00:31:18,840 --> 00:31:21,800 Speaker 1: and without that the rug could be pulled out from 484 00:31:21,800 --> 00:31:25,200 Speaker 1: people very quickly and in a very violent way. You know. 485 00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:27,360 Speaker 1: It's something I think we should do a full episode 486 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 1: on Frankly to dig and to get some information from 487 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:36,000 Speaker 1: our fellow conspiracy realists who are in India or have 488 00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: family of friends in the area. Um, and we want 489 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,480 Speaker 1: to be very careful with it because I'll tell you, Frankly, 490 00:31:44,120 --> 00:31:49,120 Speaker 1: I find it somewhat exploitative when you see Western news 491 00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: sources that just put suicide epidemic in the title of 492 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: an article because they know it will get attention, you 493 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:01,440 Speaker 1: know what I mean, Like for sure, um, it bleeds, 494 00:32:01,440 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 1: it leads. Yeah. But but you know, I'm reading an 495 00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:07,360 Speaker 1: article out of The Guardian from seventeen that's looking at 496 00:32:07,360 --> 00:32:09,200 Speaker 1: the same stuff. You know, I don't know where they're 497 00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:13,680 Speaker 1: pulling their their statistics from, but they're saying in Australian 498 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: farmer dies by suicide every four days. They're saying one 499 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:20,320 Speaker 1: farmer in the UK takes their own life once a week, 500 00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:23,600 Speaker 1: in France when farmer dies by suicide every two days, 501 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 1: and then they they site in India more than two 502 00:32:27,160 --> 00:32:30,000 Speaker 1: hundred and seventy thousand farmers have died by suicide since 503 00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: so so it's like I I hear exactly what you're saying, 504 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:39,920 Speaker 1: Like that those kind of statistics just out there alone 505 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,280 Speaker 1: do feel very sensational, especially if you were like through 506 00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:45,920 Speaker 1: that in the title, but like that, it does feel 507 00:32:45,960 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: like there's something very very wrong happening. Um, and it 508 00:32:49,200 --> 00:32:53,160 Speaker 1: needs what you're talking about, a deep look into it. Yeah. Yeah, 509 00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: And here's the thing to fooks like, please do not 510 00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,480 Speaker 1: mistake us as people who are in support of the 511 00:33:02,520 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: old government monopoly. Necessarily that was a system that also 512 00:33:08,000 --> 00:33:12,680 Speaker 1: had a ton of problems. You know, in the early nineties, 513 00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:17,040 Speaker 1: Indian had changed some policies and removed some older policies 514 00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: that you could call socialist leaning, you know, opening up 515 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:25,680 Speaker 1: the economy. Neoliberalism is on the rise. Uh, and the 516 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: economy overall did improve. Of course, we have to remember, 517 00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,880 Speaker 1: as recent history shows us, an economy is not a 518 00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 1: human population, and the economy can be doing gangbusters while 519 00:33:38,560 --> 00:33:42,640 Speaker 1: people starve in the streets. It's happened before. Uh. But 520 00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,280 Speaker 1: when these changes were brought about, you know, as this 521 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,520 Speaker 1: incremental shift happens over decades and as these newer laws hit, 522 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,239 Speaker 1: you have people on one side saying, hey, farmers, this 523 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,400 Speaker 1: gives you an incredible amount of freedom. Now you don't 524 00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:02,080 Speaker 1: have to play all with the government. Now you can 525 00:34:02,120 --> 00:34:06,520 Speaker 1: go and free market to your heart's content. And then 526 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: the people are the opponents of this, including the farmers 527 00:34:09,000 --> 00:34:13,240 Speaker 1: at these massive protests, are saying we can't though, really 528 00:34:13,560 --> 00:34:16,560 Speaker 1: we can't really compete with you know, some version of 529 00:34:16,920 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: Monsanto or something like that, just to pull an example out, 530 00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:25,080 Speaker 1: and that's those are those are valid concerns. What we 531 00:34:25,200 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: find with policies this complex is that there are a 532 00:34:29,640 --> 00:34:34,040 Speaker 1: ton of factors at play, and there are you know, 533 00:34:34,560 --> 00:34:37,000 Speaker 1: there there are a ton of opportunists who see this 534 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:40,919 Speaker 1: as a wonderful time to make windfall profits. There are, 535 00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,960 Speaker 1: as we've seen many many people who feel that um, 536 00:34:45,719 --> 00:34:49,839 Speaker 1: their life has taken an irreparable amount of damage. And 537 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 1: the thing about it is, you know, the most bedeviling, 538 00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:57,799 Speaker 1: the damnedest thing about it is that human needs. The 539 00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:02,759 Speaker 1: human needs that agriculture satisfy are very simple. We know 540 00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:06,920 Speaker 1: what caloric intake is, right, we know what nutrition is, 541 00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:12,120 Speaker 1: We know what people need to survive every day through 542 00:35:12,280 --> 00:35:14,879 Speaker 1: every part of their lives, from cradle to the grave. 543 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,960 Speaker 1: We have figured out the science, and the science is amazing, 544 00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:22,080 Speaker 1: but the answers to that stuff on the micro level 545 00:35:22,360 --> 00:35:27,120 Speaker 1: are very simple. So what happens now as we record this, 546 00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: the massive protests are ongoing. Uh, they will probably still 547 00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: be continuing as we record a full episode on this UM. 548 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: But that's that's it. What's your take, guys. I know, 549 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: I know I've been kind of ranting, but this is 550 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: this is serious stuff. Well no, I mean, even in 551 00:35:44,840 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 1: the United States, Uh, we're constantly seeing farmers, you know, 552 00:35:50,400 --> 00:35:54,240 Speaker 1: under duress, whether it's because of you know, changing weather 553 00:35:54,320 --> 00:36:00,360 Speaker 1: conditions or changing you know, uh financial condition ends and 554 00:36:00,440 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 1: just the nature of you know, the economy and borrowing 555 00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,919 Speaker 1: money and all of that stuff and credit and technology. 556 00:36:07,000 --> 00:36:08,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it is a difficult Not only is it 557 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:15,440 Speaker 1: hard work, literally hard labor, it's it's a very difficult 558 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,719 Speaker 1: existence overall because you are literally your own boss, and 559 00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:24,200 Speaker 1: there's so many giants, you know, conglomerates and factory farms 560 00:36:24,280 --> 00:36:27,000 Speaker 1: and things ready to swoop in and eat your lunch, 561 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:29,880 Speaker 1: you know. So it's uh, I can't imagine being in 562 00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,359 Speaker 1: that situation, especially especially we feel like you don't have 563 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:38,279 Speaker 1: any support or anywhere to turn right, which may be 564 00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:42,440 Speaker 1: the case. Uh. One last note here, the government is 565 00:36:42,520 --> 00:36:46,200 Speaker 1: not helping its public image. They have filed uh sedition 566 00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:50,560 Speaker 1: charges against at least nine journalists just for reporting on 567 00:36:50,600 --> 00:36:54,400 Speaker 1: the protest. UH. There is a story in the media 568 00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,400 Speaker 1: about a twenty five year old farmer named Novrit Singh 569 00:36:58,640 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: who I witnesses claim was shot by police during protest 570 00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: on Republic Day, but the official story is that he 571 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:12,319 Speaker 1: somehow died in a tractor accident. Uh. They've also weren't 572 00:37:12,320 --> 00:37:16,400 Speaker 1: there some pretty violent things that went down, being plowed 573 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,919 Speaker 1: into like checkpoints essentially, or at least a plowed into 574 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:24,280 Speaker 1: some kind of law enforcement presence. Yes, that is correct. 575 00:37:24,480 --> 00:37:28,799 Speaker 1: And then also the government has put the hammer down 576 00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:33,520 Speaker 1: on social media, like they ordered Twitter to block Indian 577 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:39,600 Speaker 1: Twitter users from seeing tons of Twitter accounts. Twitter permanently 578 00:37:39,640 --> 00:37:42,480 Speaker 1: removed some. They went back and forth with public outcry. 579 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:47,440 Speaker 1: But there is an information war that's happening here and 580 00:37:47,480 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 1: we have to see how the situation develops. If you 581 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,040 Speaker 1: are in India now, we would love to hear from you. 582 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:56,480 Speaker 1: Uh we know that just very recently, you know, over 583 00:37:56,520 --> 00:38:00,520 Speaker 1: a hundred and thirty thousand people were protests. Seeing this 584 00:38:00,600 --> 00:38:05,720 Speaker 1: is happening in multiple multiple states in India. Uh. Most importantly, folks, 585 00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:09,760 Speaker 1: if you are on the ground there, please stay safe, 586 00:38:10,120 --> 00:38:13,720 Speaker 1: Please reach out to us if you can. We'll pause 587 00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: now return to this in a future episode. But first 588 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:20,960 Speaker 1: let's hear a word from our sponsors and one more 589 00:38:21,560 --> 00:38:28,680 Speaker 1: strange news story about the not so Friendly Skies teaser teaser. 590 00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:41,680 Speaker 1: I like that, say teaser, just tease, alright, and we're back. 591 00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm still thinking about don't tease me by don't tease me. 592 00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,880 Speaker 1: I don't think about the story. But I'm just imagine, like, 593 00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,800 Speaker 1: what other recourse do you have if you're a farmer 594 00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: there in India and these whoever this is making this 595 00:38:54,000 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: decision doesn't come to you. You just find out, Oh, 596 00:38:57,040 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: this thing that's negatively going to affect me just happened. 597 00:39:00,320 --> 00:39:03,600 Speaker 1: What recourse do you have? Right? I mean, the best 598 00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,520 Speaker 1: thing you can do is stand out there. Would you 599 00:39:05,600 --> 00:39:08,400 Speaker 1: use your body and your words to show I disagree? 600 00:39:08,440 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: And please don't do this? Uh anyway, It's just just 601 00:39:13,560 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: try and think of what the heck you can do. 602 00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:19,799 Speaker 1: I guess that's it, all right. So let's go to 603 00:39:19,840 --> 00:39:23,759 Speaker 1: another scenario. Let's say let's say you are finally deciding 604 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,000 Speaker 1: that you're going to get out of the house. You 605 00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:29,360 Speaker 1: are going to go somewhere far away for one reason 606 00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,520 Speaker 1: or another. Let's just say in this scenario, you're you're 607 00:39:32,520 --> 00:39:36,879 Speaker 1: gonna go from Denver. You know, the international airport there 608 00:39:36,880 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: with the fun murals. You're gonna go from there, not 609 00:39:41,120 --> 00:39:43,919 Speaker 1: too far. Let's just say to California. Let's just put 610 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:46,319 Speaker 1: that one out there. You're gonna keep on going to 611 00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:50,479 Speaker 1: West So you're gonna jump on a plane. Wow, you're 612 00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,719 Speaker 1: you're you're brave to do that right now. I don't 613 00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:55,400 Speaker 1: know that I could do it, but you're gonna do 614 00:39:55,440 --> 00:39:58,919 Speaker 1: it anyway because you're not scared. Do you finally get 615 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 1: there to the the airport, You get on your plane, 616 00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,640 Speaker 1: You got your luggage checked, you went through security. Everything 617 00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:08,400 Speaker 1: is feeling pretty good. You board on the plane. You 618 00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,200 Speaker 1: know what, It's crazy. There's an overhead compartment space for you. 619 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,800 Speaker 1: It's like there's plenty of room. How how amazing is 620 00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:19,279 Speaker 1: that never happens? Things are going well, there's a fun 621 00:40:19,520 --> 00:40:25,400 Speaker 1: thing on the TV that's inside your your you're the 622 00:40:25,440 --> 00:40:28,919 Speaker 1: airplane seat. You're gonna watch I don't know Tenant. They've 623 00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:32,240 Speaker 1: got Tenant. It's like one a place to watch Tenant 624 00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,120 Speaker 1: on the back of an airplane seat. Um yeah. I 625 00:40:35,160 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: also hear the dialogue in that movie is really mumbly, 626 00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,080 Speaker 1: So in an airplane situation, that's gonna be really hard 627 00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:42,160 Speaker 1: to make out what the hell is going on? All? Sorry, 628 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 1: this is no no, I like where you're going. Let's 629 00:40:44,400 --> 00:40:47,480 Speaker 1: let's let's continue painting the picture because you're not going 630 00:40:47,560 --> 00:40:51,359 Speaker 1: to have a m You're not gonna have snacks, which 631 00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,799 Speaker 1: is kind of a bummer on most flights, right because 632 00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,960 Speaker 1: it's pandemic. But you know, I I gotta say, you 633 00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,480 Speaker 1: know there there are a lot of people, myself included, 634 00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,800 Speaker 1: who mainly just saw films when they were on planes. 635 00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: So you've got a lot of catching up to do, right, 636 00:41:04,200 --> 00:41:07,040 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, exactly, And we know this is a long walk, 637 00:41:07,040 --> 00:41:10,359 Speaker 1: and I apologize everybody, but it's time for takeoff. You're 638 00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:13,239 Speaker 1: getting ready. You're doing that thing where everybody just kind 639 00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,160 Speaker 1: of maybe closing their eyes for a moment or just 640 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,279 Speaker 1: thinks about their cat or their dog just for a 641 00:41:19,320 --> 00:41:22,040 Speaker 1: second as the plane starts to take off, just in 642 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:24,880 Speaker 1: case something happens. But hey, it goes by. You're fine. 643 00:41:25,120 --> 00:41:28,520 Speaker 1: You're in the air. Only a few minutes later, four 644 00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,960 Speaker 1: or five minutes later, something seems wrong. To your right. 645 00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:36,120 Speaker 1: You're hearing some weird noises on the right hand side 646 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,040 Speaker 1: of the plane, some metal clanking, some clanking, and then 647 00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:46,800 Speaker 1: some louder metal noises. Yeah, some of you maybe hoping 648 00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,279 Speaker 1: for a Gremlin, because I mean, how cool would that 649 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,280 Speaker 1: be That plane did land. I believe when the Gremlin 650 00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:56,400 Speaker 1: was on there, it was just the the after effects 651 00:41:56,440 --> 00:42:00,560 Speaker 1: were seen. Well, in this case, it's actually an engine 652 00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:04,680 Speaker 1: that appears to be self destructing. That's what it looks like, 653 00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:09,640 Speaker 1: at least from inside the plane. There's fire happening. Pieces 654 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: of the exterior of the engine on the right hand 655 00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:16,919 Speaker 1: side start to blow apart and explode outwards and then 656 00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: fall down from the sky. Um. Pretty terrifying situation. Not 657 00:42:22,200 --> 00:42:24,920 Speaker 1: one that I imagined you'd want to be in unless 658 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,480 Speaker 1: you knew it was a movie set in your Tom 659 00:42:27,520 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: Cruise and it's supposed to happen that way. Um, yeah, 660 00:42:31,200 --> 00:42:35,560 Speaker 1: it's pretty horrifying. Well, that is what happened on Sunday 661 00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:37,920 Speaker 1: for a group of people who were flying on a 662 00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:42,720 Speaker 1: United Airlines flight. The airplane itself was a Boeing seven 663 00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: seven seven, and this one, I guess I I don't 664 00:42:47,880 --> 00:42:51,160 Speaker 1: want to jump too far ahead, but I'll just say 665 00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,200 Speaker 1: it was an emergency. A a large aircraft in the 666 00:42:55,200 --> 00:43:00,760 Speaker 1: sky had one engine that failed. And these airplanes are designed, 667 00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:04,760 Speaker 1: these jets are designed to fly on one one engine 668 00:43:04,760 --> 00:43:07,720 Speaker 1: at least, you know, not momentarily, but for a short 669 00:43:07,760 --> 00:43:10,960 Speaker 1: period of time. And this one was only so far 670 00:43:11,040 --> 00:43:13,600 Speaker 1: away from where it took off, so it was able 671 00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:18,080 Speaker 1: to turn around and get back safely. Thank goodness, nothing 672 00:43:18,120 --> 00:43:21,439 Speaker 1: happened to anybody on board the plane. Uh. The only 673 00:43:21,480 --> 00:43:24,440 Speaker 1: thing that was injured was that bowing seven seven seven 674 00:43:24,520 --> 00:43:28,520 Speaker 1: itself seven seven however you want to say it, so, 675 00:43:28,560 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: I guess we'll start there. That's kind of That's the 676 00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: thing that occurred over the weekend. Another thing occurred over 677 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 1: the weekend where there was another Bowing flight, this time 678 00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:41,600 Speaker 1: a seven forty seven. It was a cargo version of this, 679 00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:46,640 Speaker 1: and it was flying over the Netherlands, I believe, And 680 00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:51,000 Speaker 1: while it was flying over the Netherlands, something very similar happened. 681 00:43:51,600 --> 00:43:55,480 Speaker 1: Parts of its engine, one of its engine started to 682 00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:59,279 Speaker 1: self destruct. Essentially, parts of it fell down from the 683 00:43:59,320 --> 00:44:03,040 Speaker 1: sky to the ocean, parts of it where they were 684 00:44:03,040 --> 00:44:06,200 Speaker 1: just scattered all along another town, a Dutch town there 685 00:44:06,280 --> 00:44:11,640 Speaker 1: called meres Mearson and apparently even an injured a woman 686 00:44:12,040 --> 00:44:15,880 Speaker 1: of the debris that was falling from this plane. Uh. 687 00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:20,200 Speaker 1: And in both cases, these Boeing jets, these Bowing airplanes 688 00:44:21,280 --> 00:44:24,520 Speaker 1: had Pratt and Whitney engines. There Pratt and Whitney p 689 00:44:24,880 --> 00:44:28,719 Speaker 1: W four thousand engines, and they have specific types within that. 690 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:30,719 Speaker 1: But that's almost like a class of engine. You can 691 00:44:30,760 --> 00:44:34,680 Speaker 1: think of it that way. So two things over the 692 00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:40,080 Speaker 1: weekend that occurred with two engines in two bowing planes. UM, 693 00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,399 Speaker 1: a little sketchy. It feels a little sketchy on the surface. Right, 694 00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,320 Speaker 1: You may think yourself, Oh, dear, I don't want to 695 00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:50,160 Speaker 1: get in a bowing airplane with a Pratt and Whitney 696 00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:54,719 Speaker 1: engine anytime soon. Well Boeing had the same idea. I 697 00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,279 Speaker 1: believe they have recommended at least that I think a 698 00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:05,600 Speaker 1: hundred around two hundred planes grounded planes. Then, and I 699 00:45:05,680 --> 00:45:10,399 Speaker 1: keep calling these different things? Are these aircraft? Jets? What 700 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:13,479 Speaker 1: are these things? How should I refer to these? So? Yeah, 701 00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:18,640 Speaker 1: technically you could call it a jet liner, a jet aircraft, 702 00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: Uh that's capable of carrying passengers. So you will see 703 00:45:23,440 --> 00:45:29,400 Speaker 1: them be called jet liners at some some points. Uh. Technically, 704 00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:34,600 Speaker 1: I guess you would call these a wide body airliner. Uh. 705 00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: And an airliner is just another it's a type of aircraft. 706 00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:40,840 Speaker 1: It's a general term for a type of aircraft that 707 00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: can transport passengers. And air cargo. The difference between a 708 00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,400 Speaker 1: jet and a plane really depends on what kind of 709 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: plane you're talking about, because a lot of times in 710 00:45:52,120 --> 00:45:56,760 Speaker 1: casual conversation, at least in English, we'll call everything you plane. 711 00:45:57,239 --> 00:45:59,000 Speaker 1: You know what I mean, We'll call it fier jet 712 00:45:59,040 --> 00:46:01,240 Speaker 1: a plane. We'll be like, WHOA, look at that plane 713 00:46:02,080 --> 00:46:05,600 Speaker 1: because people know what we're what we're talking about. But 714 00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,399 Speaker 1: that's definitely how I use it, right, But I call 715 00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:13,560 Speaker 1: I call them zoom zooms zooms. Uh. The thing is 716 00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:18,360 Speaker 1: that the big difference between jets and propeller planes like 717 00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:21,760 Speaker 1: picture World War two biplane or something, is that jets 718 00:46:21,840 --> 00:46:28,400 Speaker 1: produced thrust through discharging gas instead of powering like a 719 00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:32,200 Speaker 1: drive shaft that's linked to the propeller that spends the propeller. 720 00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:34,839 Speaker 1: Did God help or did that make it? Help? Helped 721 00:46:34,880 --> 00:46:39,719 Speaker 1: a lot? Actually, So when you're imagining these engines, you've 722 00:46:39,719 --> 00:46:42,040 Speaker 1: seen images of them before. You probably looked at one 723 00:46:42,120 --> 00:46:45,000 Speaker 1: when you've been on one. Um a lot of times. 724 00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,759 Speaker 1: There's protective coverings around the fronts of them. You can 725 00:46:48,800 --> 00:46:51,040 Speaker 1: almost imagine it like a little tunnel, the way these 726 00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:53,439 Speaker 1: things are set up because there's a turbine in there 727 00:46:53,840 --> 00:46:57,839 Speaker 1: inside that spins around very very quickly, and there are 728 00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,000 Speaker 1: many little propellers. Basically they look like it looks like 729 00:47:01,080 --> 00:47:04,880 Speaker 1: a fan um that's sitting in there. And it appears, 730 00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:09,080 Speaker 1: at least early on when they're looking at these engines 731 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,680 Speaker 1: all the all the various organizations that are attempting to 732 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,319 Speaker 1: ascertain what exactly occurred within those engines, it appears that 733 00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,279 Speaker 1: several of those pieces that actually spin and kind of 734 00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:24,200 Speaker 1: cut and grab the air were broken. And there there 735 00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:26,879 Speaker 1: have been many cases where in like one of these 736 00:47:26,920 --> 00:47:29,399 Speaker 1: little things breaks off and then a piece of metal 737 00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,680 Speaker 1: gets stuck in the rest of that turbine that's spinning 738 00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,560 Speaker 1: very rapidly, and just the whole thing destroys itself. You know, 739 00:47:35,600 --> 00:47:39,040 Speaker 1: that's very very dangerous because also associated with that are 740 00:47:39,680 --> 00:47:43,399 Speaker 1: uh fuel lines that will get severed, and then there's 741 00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:46,600 Speaker 1: fuel leaking all into there, which causes you know, fires, 742 00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:50,440 Speaker 1: and then when fires can't be put out by conventional means, 743 00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,760 Speaker 1: that means you're just flying with tons of oxygen feeding 744 00:47:53,800 --> 00:47:57,080 Speaker 1: those flames because you know you're you're in the air 745 00:47:57,400 --> 00:48:01,840 Speaker 1: going really fast. Um. But let's jump to these Pratt 746 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,560 Speaker 1: and Whitney engines just really quickly, so we all kind 747 00:48:05,560 --> 00:48:09,000 Speaker 1: of understand if you happen to be getting on a 748 00:48:09,080 --> 00:48:13,360 Speaker 1: flight with another airline outside of United you are probably 749 00:48:13,400 --> 00:48:16,080 Speaker 1: not going to interact with one of these Pratt and 750 00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,719 Speaker 1: Whitney engines on a Boeing aircraft. United says that they 751 00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:23,040 Speaker 1: have a fleet of twenty four that are equipped with 752 00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:27,000 Speaker 1: those engines and those are immediately being grounded as of 753 00:48:27,080 --> 00:48:30,400 Speaker 1: this weekend. UM and it is working with federal investigators 754 00:48:30,400 --> 00:48:32,799 Speaker 1: and regulators to you know, figure out what's going on. 755 00:48:33,680 --> 00:48:37,440 Speaker 1: And the federal officials have said that only the United States, 756 00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:43,640 Speaker 1: South Korea, and Japan use these specific engines in their airliners. Now, 757 00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,480 Speaker 1: didn't they just have a big like kerfuffle with the 758 00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:50,480 Speaker 1: Dreamliner or something or one of one of their big 759 00:48:50,680 --> 00:48:54,879 Speaker 1: high profile planes that had an issue with landing gear. Oh, 760 00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:57,759 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not sure about anything with landing gear. 761 00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 1: I know there was a main navigation it was a 762 00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,400 Speaker 1: navigational system or something like that. Excuse me, I misspoke, 763 00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,880 Speaker 1: But good god, Bowling can't catch a break. I mean, 764 00:49:06,920 --> 00:49:09,440 Speaker 1: it's obviously like their fault. But there was a piece 765 00:49:09,520 --> 00:49:14,680 Speaker 1: on UM. I think it was the daily where it 766 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,040 Speaker 1: was like Boeing employees talking about how like they were 767 00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:21,880 Speaker 1: cutting serious corners like like as a as a rule 768 00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:25,360 Speaker 1: kind of well, that that's tough. I I you know, 769 00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,560 Speaker 1: I can't speak to that right now. I just know 770 00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,759 Speaker 1: that according to everyone involved here, there's going to be 771 00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:36,040 Speaker 1: some serious looking into what occurred. I mean, obviously it 772 00:49:36,080 --> 00:49:39,600 Speaker 1: happens every time there's any kind of incident. You can 773 00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:46,200 Speaker 1: only hope that everyone involved, including Boeing, including United Airlines, UM, 774 00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:49,879 Speaker 1: including Pratt and Whitney or whoever is you know manufacturing 775 00:49:49,920 --> 00:49:52,200 Speaker 1: those engines, will all be involved to make sure this 776 00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:56,359 Speaker 1: doesn't happen again. Because we're in a time when you know, 777 00:49:56,480 --> 00:50:02,120 Speaker 1: flying in general isn't occurring as much, right and and 778 00:50:02,160 --> 00:50:04,040 Speaker 1: it hasn't been for a long time. And in order 779 00:50:04,080 --> 00:50:06,279 Speaker 1: for you know, if you're just thinking about it as 780 00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:09,799 Speaker 1: an industry, in order for enough of us to be 781 00:50:09,920 --> 00:50:13,120 Speaker 1: okay with getting on a plane again just from a 782 00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:17,680 Speaker 1: safety within the plane standards, uh, let alone to whether 783 00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:19,960 Speaker 1: or not the plane itself will be able to fly 784 00:50:20,120 --> 00:50:22,480 Speaker 1: all the way to the destination without having an engine 785 00:50:22,480 --> 00:50:25,399 Speaker 1: catch fire. Um, you've got to build that trust back 786 00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,800 Speaker 1: just real quickly. UM. It was called the Whistleblowers at Bowing. 787 00:50:28,840 --> 00:50:33,279 Speaker 1: It was an episode of The Daily from earlier this year, 788 00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,799 Speaker 1: I'm sorry late last year, and yeah it was there. 789 00:50:35,920 --> 00:50:39,160 Speaker 1: Um it was their seven thirty seven Max and the 790 00:50:39,239 --> 00:50:44,120 Speaker 1: seven eight seven Dreamliner with these you know, issues with 791 00:50:44,200 --> 00:50:48,239 Speaker 1: certain parts in the navigational system, and yeah, there's a 792 00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:53,920 Speaker 1: whole you know, according to this this report, Natalie kit Trof, 793 00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:56,920 Speaker 1: who's a business reporter for the New York Times, talks 794 00:50:56,960 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: to some former quality control managers at Boeing UM and 795 00:51:02,600 --> 00:51:06,080 Speaker 1: it gets pretty intense. I mean, that was that was 796 00:51:06,120 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: a rough thing. There. There were two large crashes where 797 00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:12,360 Speaker 1: over a hundred and fifty I think people and a 798 00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:16,040 Speaker 1: hundred fifty seven people died in two separate crashes with 799 00:51:16,160 --> 00:51:19,439 Speaker 1: that seven thirty seven Max. So that was a big deal. 800 00:51:20,360 --> 00:51:23,800 Speaker 1: And you know, the the upper management got all shifted 801 00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:28,400 Speaker 1: around at Boeing after that whole scenario. So you know, 802 00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:32,279 Speaker 1: you just hope that you hope that there this isn't 803 00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,560 Speaker 1: another thing that's kind of raising raising its head. They 804 00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:40,160 Speaker 1: were about to see where their engines. There's there's another 805 00:51:40,320 --> 00:51:43,000 Speaker 1: factor at play here that I think a lot of 806 00:51:43,040 --> 00:51:49,520 Speaker 1: people should consider carefully. So we're talking about very big 807 00:51:50,200 --> 00:51:54,400 Speaker 1: aircraft right, quite complicated. Uh. They are the result of 808 00:51:54,560 --> 00:52:01,360 Speaker 1: innovations and contributions by numerous manufacturers. We may have mentioned 809 00:52:01,400 --> 00:52:04,200 Speaker 1: air Bus and Boeing before, but which you need to 810 00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:06,799 Speaker 1: know about these two things is that they are essentially 811 00:52:06,840 --> 00:52:11,120 Speaker 1: a doopoly. There are two big companies. They are air 812 00:52:11,160 --> 00:52:14,279 Speaker 1: Bus and they're Boeing. They're the ones who manufacture these 813 00:52:14,320 --> 00:52:20,520 Speaker 1: civilian craft. So Boeing becomes a matter of guys. I 814 00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:24,239 Speaker 1: think it was Holly made a meme about this. For 815 00:52:24,320 --> 00:52:26,600 Speaker 1: here's where it gets crazy. So everybody have a drink. 816 00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:31,040 Speaker 1: I'm gonna say it national security. Bowing is like Boeing 817 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:35,320 Speaker 1: and are and arguably a lot of airlines too. For countries, 818 00:52:36,040 --> 00:52:40,600 Speaker 1: they they matter more than just like a regular business. 819 00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:46,200 Speaker 1: The same reason that so many countries have protectionist food policies. 820 00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:50,360 Speaker 1: They know that if the they know that if the 821 00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:53,399 Speaker 1: Pratt and Whitney hits the pavement, you need to still 822 00:52:53,440 --> 00:52:55,680 Speaker 1: be able to feed people. You need to still be 823 00:52:55,719 --> 00:53:00,680 Speaker 1: able to reliably transport people through the air. So for instance, 824 00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,600 Speaker 1: and I don't want to cast a dark, dark shadow 825 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,239 Speaker 1: on our show here, guys, but for instance, if uh, 826 00:53:08,280 --> 00:53:12,839 Speaker 1: if a big podcast company goes belly up, then that's 827 00:53:12,880 --> 00:53:15,680 Speaker 1: just going to be a free market thing for you know, 828 00:53:15,760 --> 00:53:18,960 Speaker 1: the powers that be, for the uncle Sam's and the financiers. 829 00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:22,680 Speaker 1: But of something like a Boeing crashes as a company, 830 00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:28,040 Speaker 1: then that means that the United States has a clear gap, 831 00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,080 Speaker 1: so that like a clear defense gap in comparison to 832 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:35,040 Speaker 1: in this case, it will be France because it's Airbus. 833 00:53:35,080 --> 00:53:40,560 Speaker 1: So what you're saying, Matt Uh, I think is absolutely true. 834 00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:44,440 Speaker 1: The idea that the trust itself is a currency that 835 00:53:44,560 --> 00:53:49,120 Speaker 1: must be accrued over time through experience and action. Uh, 836 00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,319 Speaker 1: there's not really a shortcut to earn trust, but the 837 00:53:52,440 --> 00:53:56,680 Speaker 1: motivation is there. So I would not be surprised if 838 00:53:56,719 --> 00:54:02,280 Speaker 1: we see, um, if we see some intense just scrutiny 839 00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:06,240 Speaker 1: by by these governments we mentioned that used these like Japan, 840 00:54:06,920 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 1: the US, a couple of other countries. But but the 841 00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:14,040 Speaker 1: U s is gonna fight like hell to keep Boeing around. 842 00:54:14,560 --> 00:54:19,120 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, oh yeah. And and it's also not as 843 00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:23,319 Speaker 1: if just these two engines have had issues, right these 844 00:54:23,360 --> 00:54:26,320 Speaker 1: two that just initially happened. We we we have to 845 00:54:26,360 --> 00:54:29,759 Speaker 1: remember in there was another flight that was headed out 846 00:54:29,760 --> 00:54:33,640 Speaker 1: to Hawaii, and this one's going to San Francisco to Hawaii. 847 00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,000 Speaker 1: And while they were over the Pacific, like almost there, 848 00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:40,760 Speaker 1: about an hour away from their destination, the outer covering 849 00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:43,719 Speaker 1: of the right engine. I believe it's yeah, the right 850 00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,520 Speaker 1: engine on a seven blew off very similarly to what 851 00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,400 Speaker 1: we saw happened this past weekend. And by the way, 852 00:54:51,400 --> 00:54:55,040 Speaker 1: it was a Pratt and Whitney, uh, same same class 853 00:54:55,200 --> 00:54:59,359 Speaker 1: PW four thousand. So it's like, maybe we just need 854 00:54:59,400 --> 00:55:02,000 Speaker 1: to really look at the those engines make sure they're okay, 855 00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:05,280 Speaker 1: because it's not just the people on board the planes, 856 00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:10,200 Speaker 1: the airliners either that are in danger. Here. When the 857 00:55:10,200 --> 00:55:13,320 Speaker 1: the initial one, the seven seventy seven, took off from Denver, 858 00:55:14,000 --> 00:55:15,440 Speaker 1: it was, like we said, it was only about five 859 00:55:15,440 --> 00:55:18,960 Speaker 1: minutes away from where it took off. And if you 860 00:55:19,000 --> 00:55:22,719 Speaker 1: think about airports, a lot of them are, you know, 861 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,279 Speaker 1: far enough away from like a city center, like when 862 00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,600 Speaker 1: in Atlanta is quite a distance away from the Atlanta 863 00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,759 Speaker 1: city center. But there are people that live all over 864 00:55:32,840 --> 00:55:37,040 Speaker 1: around airports, I mean five minutes away by by a 865 00:55:37,160 --> 00:55:39,840 Speaker 1: jet or by an airliner. There are going to be 866 00:55:39,920 --> 00:55:42,279 Speaker 1: human beings there. And in this case, there was a 867 00:55:42,320 --> 00:55:46,960 Speaker 1: suburb in Denver where pieces of this giant engine fell 868 00:55:47,080 --> 00:55:51,360 Speaker 1: onto the front lawns of people's houses. You can see 869 00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:55,680 Speaker 1: images on CNN of the debris like sitting this one. 870 00:55:56,160 --> 00:55:58,160 Speaker 1: This one, dude is just kind of standing outside with 871 00:55:58,200 --> 00:55:59,799 Speaker 1: the giant piece of engine. Is you are just going, 872 00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:04,439 Speaker 1: uh okay, and imagine if that was just a few 873 00:56:04,520 --> 00:56:10,080 Speaker 1: feet over, you know, just a few feet over, and 874 00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:12,000 Speaker 1: that could have crushed somebody in their home. It could 875 00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:16,879 Speaker 1: have been a Donnie Darko or breaking bad type. Yes, yes, 876 00:56:17,640 --> 00:56:20,480 Speaker 1: it's just it's creepy stuff. Let alone, you know, the 877 00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,600 Speaker 1: hundreds of people that would be on a flight whose 878 00:56:23,640 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 1: lives are at risk there. So I guess this is 879 00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:29,839 Speaker 1: our shout out to everybody United and Boeing in all 880 00:56:29,840 --> 00:56:33,160 Speaker 1: these places, like do your thing, take care of it, 881 00:56:33,280 --> 00:56:36,120 Speaker 1: because I want to get on plate on planes again. 882 00:56:36,160 --> 00:56:39,480 Speaker 1: I want to fly again, but I'm scared. Yeah, why 883 00:56:39,480 --> 00:56:41,920 Speaker 1: don't you go on? Why don't you go on? Spirit Matt? 884 00:56:42,280 --> 00:56:47,279 Speaker 1: That's like, no, no, no, Spirit in the sky. That's 885 00:56:47,320 --> 00:56:51,160 Speaker 1: so terrible. Let's keep it in. That's what that song 886 00:56:51,280 --> 00:56:58,680 Speaker 1: was about. Spirit Airlines, Okay, sky Okay, all right, yeah, seriously, though, 887 00:56:58,719 --> 00:57:02,400 Speaker 1: you're right, I would look at the engines first. Uh. 888 00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,560 Speaker 1: The thing is this kind of manufacturing, Like all jokes aside, 889 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:10,960 Speaker 1: this kind of manufacturing can get very sticky with a 890 00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:15,200 Speaker 1: lot of opportunities for corruption very quickly, Like if you 891 00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,000 Speaker 1: if you're a fan of terriff of trying not to 892 00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:24,680 Speaker 1: say cartoonishly, if you're a fan of terrifically obscure opportunities 893 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:29,120 Speaker 1: for corruption and real conspiracy, then then just go start 894 00:57:29,200 --> 00:57:34,920 Speaker 1: reading into the subsidies that these these two uh airplane 895 00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 1: manufacturers get bowing in the air bus. Initially you will 896 00:57:38,920 --> 00:57:42,120 Speaker 1: you will very quickly see what we're talking about, UH, 897 00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,800 Speaker 1: in terms of what is considered national security and of 898 00:57:45,800 --> 00:57:51,280 Speaker 1: course what is considered pork barrel military industrial complex spending 899 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:54,280 Speaker 1: like it goes, it goes deep, it goes deep, uh 900 00:57:54,320 --> 00:57:56,760 Speaker 1: and and a lot of it can be boring until 901 00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,480 Speaker 1: you realize that not paying attention to this kind of 902 00:57:59,520 --> 00:58:05,000 Speaker 1: stuff can in some degree result in engines failing and 903 00:58:05,080 --> 00:58:07,840 Speaker 1: falling out of the sky. It was a little bit hyperbolic, 904 00:58:08,000 --> 00:58:11,400 Speaker 1: but we got there. We got there for sure. So 905 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:17,600 Speaker 1: uh yeah, Hey, if you were on one of those airliners, 906 00:58:17,720 --> 00:58:20,720 Speaker 1: or if you've been in an airliner or a plane 907 00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:23,560 Speaker 1: or whatever it was in the air when something went wrong, 908 00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:27,160 Speaker 1: we would love to hear from you. Please reach out, 909 00:58:27,720 --> 00:58:30,560 Speaker 1: yes and give us your war stories. If you are 910 00:58:30,720 --> 00:58:35,560 Speaker 1: a pilot, I've I've been friends with several pilots there. 911 00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:38,240 Speaker 1: There are a lot of things that occur in the 912 00:58:38,320 --> 00:58:42,600 Speaker 1: cockpit that civilian passengers would not know about, right, So 913 00:58:43,040 --> 00:58:47,000 Speaker 1: we'd love to hear those stories, especially also from our 914 00:58:47,960 --> 00:58:52,280 Speaker 1: working flight attendants who have no doubt seen a lot 915 00:58:52,320 --> 00:58:56,840 Speaker 1: of strange stuff in the air. Uh and then been complete. Uh. 916 00:58:56,880 --> 00:59:01,479 Speaker 1: I've totally forgot Huge shout out to Captain Joe over 917 00:59:01,560 --> 00:59:04,960 Speaker 1: on YouTube. Captain Joe, if you are listening, you are 918 00:59:05,000 --> 00:59:08,680 Speaker 1: amazing at explaining things like this. He's got a sixteen 919 00:59:08,720 --> 00:59:13,320 Speaker 1: and a half minute video called United three engine failure. 920 00:59:13,880 --> 00:59:17,400 Speaker 1: What checklists did the pilots use? It's it's amazing because 921 00:59:17,400 --> 00:59:19,680 Speaker 1: he takes you through exactly what the pilots were doing 922 00:59:20,080 --> 00:59:22,720 Speaker 1: as all of this was happening. And that is the 923 00:59:22,800 --> 00:59:26,000 Speaker 1: one thing that made me feel better about this whole situation, 924 00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:30,000 Speaker 1: because I'm imagining, like like the pilots, like you're saying 925 00:59:30,080 --> 00:59:32,200 Speaker 1: with war stories, the men and women who are up 926 00:59:32,200 --> 00:59:35,840 Speaker 1: there are protecting everyone essentially by flying this giant metal 927 00:59:35,840 --> 00:59:38,480 Speaker 1: thing through the air. Uh. It's just really great. Big 928 00:59:38,520 --> 00:59:40,880 Speaker 1: big shout out to you, sir, Big shout out to 929 00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,360 Speaker 1: all flight professionals, especially the ones who have to deal 930 00:59:44,880 --> 00:59:50,360 Speaker 1: with the worst part of any airplane experience, passengers on 931 00:59:50,400 --> 00:59:54,120 Speaker 1: an airplane. So so we've we've the four of us 932 00:59:54,160 --> 00:59:56,320 Speaker 1: have our own war stories too, back from the pre 933 00:59:56,400 --> 00:59:59,439 Speaker 1: pandemic days. But we also want to hear from you, 934 00:59:59,560 --> 01:00:03,200 Speaker 1: want to or your experience, your take your information regarding 935 01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,960 Speaker 1: the mass of ongoing protests in India. Want to hear 936 01:00:06,080 --> 01:00:10,959 Speaker 1: some of your favorite uh coded messages in any any 937 01:00:11,040 --> 01:00:12,960 Speaker 1: work of art, any work of art. What do we 938 01:00:13,000 --> 01:00:15,560 Speaker 1: mean by work of art? Painting could be a song 939 01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,000 Speaker 1: as well. Find us some real satanic panic. Let's get that. 940 01:00:19,080 --> 01:00:21,400 Speaker 1: Let's get some real what is what's it? What's it 941 01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:25,200 Speaker 1: called backwards masking? I'm here for it. Yeah, I don't 942 01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,200 Speaker 1: think any of it's been actually proven to be a thing, 943 01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:32,120 Speaker 1: but a boy can dream, A boy could dream. And uh, 944 01:00:32,160 --> 01:00:35,080 Speaker 1: you know, if you if you imagine something like that 945 01:00:35,120 --> 01:00:37,200 Speaker 1: in the world and you don't see it out there, 946 01:00:37,480 --> 01:00:39,600 Speaker 1: then I would say it means it's up to you 947 01:00:39,640 --> 01:00:41,480 Speaker 1: to make it. And we would love to check it 948 01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: out too. So how do you find us? Great question? 949 01:00:45,080 --> 01:00:47,560 Speaker 1: We have several answers to it. We try to be 950 01:00:47,640 --> 01:00:51,720 Speaker 1: easy to discover on the internet Facebook, Twitter, Instagram, Hop 951 01:00:51,760 --> 01:00:54,520 Speaker 1: on over to Here's where it gets crazy where you 952 01:00:54,520 --> 01:00:56,479 Speaker 1: can learn more from the best part of the show, 953 01:00:56,640 --> 01:01:00,760 Speaker 1: your fellow listeners. But hey, you say, I think of 954 01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:05,000 Speaker 1: social media the way Captain Kirk William Shatner thought about 955 01:01:05,040 --> 01:01:07,320 Speaker 1: that grimlin on the wing of that plane. It's just 956 01:01:07,360 --> 01:01:09,560 Speaker 1: not for me. I'm upset about it. It's weird that 957 01:01:09,600 --> 01:01:12,160 Speaker 1: other people are cool with it. I don't use the 958 01:01:12,200 --> 01:01:14,840 Speaker 1: social meets, but I have a story to tell you. 959 01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:18,800 Speaker 1: What then tell us, Well, just pick up your nearest 960 01:01:19,000 --> 01:01:22,440 Speaker 1: Vogue magazine and I just kind of flipped through the 961 01:01:22,480 --> 01:01:27,400 Speaker 1: pages until you find the name Alexis Jackson. You'll find 962 01:01:27,400 --> 01:01:30,040 Speaker 1: it in there somewhere, just you know, just do that. 963 01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:33,400 Speaker 1: And once you've done that, then you'll know that you're 964 01:01:33,440 --> 01:01:36,080 Speaker 1: on track to getting in touch with us. You're golden. Yeah, 965 01:01:36,360 --> 01:01:39,800 Speaker 1: oh geez. Or you know you could give us a call. 966 01:01:40,240 --> 01:01:44,240 Speaker 1: Our number is one eight three three std W y 967 01:01:44,360 --> 01:01:47,040 Speaker 1: t K. Leave us a message. You got three minutes. 968 01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,640 Speaker 1: The three minutes that you have is yours and yours alone. 969 01:01:49,880 --> 01:01:51,880 Speaker 1: Do your best to stay within the strictures of that 970 01:01:52,000 --> 01:01:54,200 Speaker 1: three minutes. I know it sounds like we're preaching to 971 01:01:54,240 --> 01:01:56,400 Speaker 1: the choir here, but it just makes for a better 972 01:01:56,440 --> 01:01:59,400 Speaker 1: experience for for me and Matt and Ben. We're minding 973 01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:01,640 Speaker 1: through those add boys and and and pulling them out 974 01:02:01,680 --> 01:02:04,320 Speaker 1: so that we can hopefully use one of your messages 975 01:02:04,440 --> 01:02:07,600 Speaker 1: on our weekly listener mail episode. Also, please let us 976 01:02:07,640 --> 01:02:09,600 Speaker 1: know he'd rather we not do that. And you just 977 01:02:09,640 --> 01:02:12,040 Speaker 1: wanted to call, you know, just to say hi, and 978 01:02:12,080 --> 01:02:14,360 Speaker 1: also what to call you or not call you, or 979 01:02:14,400 --> 01:02:16,520 Speaker 1: if you want to be completely anonymous, that's fine too. 980 01:02:16,960 --> 01:02:21,200 Speaker 1: And if none of that white bags, your badgers never fear, 981 01:02:21,320 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: there is one way that you can always contact us 982 01:02:25,040 --> 01:02:27,960 Speaker 1: until the very moment those black bags go over our 983 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:30,920 Speaker 1: heads as our good old fashioned email address where we 984 01:02:31,000 --> 01:02:52,240 Speaker 1: are conspiracy at i heeart radio dot com. Stuff they 985 01:02:52,240 --> 01:02:54,120 Speaker 1: Don't want you to Know is a production of I 986 01:02:54,280 --> 01:02:57,400 Speaker 1: heart Radio. 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