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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody.

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Speaker 2: Wednesday edition of the Klay, Travis and Buck Sexton Show

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Speaker 2: is kicking off right now, and let's just dive right

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Speaker 2: into it. There's other stuff to talk about as well,

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Speaker 2: but you know, the inflation, the economy, the border.

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Speaker 1: Biden throwing down the gauntlet very feebly, very weak fashion.

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Speaker 2: I would argue, he is saying that he wants two

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Speaker 2: debates with Donald Trump. So at least as of now,

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Speaker 2: there does seem to be the likelihood of presidential debates.

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Speaker 2: It is not a fete complie, It is not something

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Speaker 2: that has already set in stone. There's negotiating happening, but

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Speaker 2: this is the two prize fighters sizing each other up

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Speaker 2: and looking at each other from across the ring. Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden stumbling as he does so. Here he is with

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Speaker 2: a video put out to try to antagonize the trump Ster.

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Speaker 3: Donald Trump lost two debates to me in twenty twenty

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Speaker 3: cents that he hadn't shown.

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Speaker 1: Up for debate.

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Speaker 3: Now he's acting like he wants to debate me again.

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Speaker 3: Will make my day, Pal. I'll even do it twice.

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Speaker 3: So let's pick the dates. Donald, I hear you're free

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Speaker 3: on Wednesdays.

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Speaker 2: Little joke there at the end about how Trump is

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Speaker 2: facing a criminal prosecution that we know has been aided

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Speaker 2: and cheered on by Biden's DOJ so haha, weaponization of

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Speaker 2: government and the destruction of legal.

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Speaker 1: Norms.

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Speaker 2: But let's look at what is offered here. The devil

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Speaker 2: is in the details. Clay Biden, first off, June and

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Speaker 2: September very interesting. June strikes me as very early. I

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Speaker 2: don't know to go back. June strikes me as very early,

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Speaker 2: and I will get into why that.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 2: I think it's obvious, right, they got to turn things around.

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Speaker 2: They've got to turn the momentum around.

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Speaker 1: It's real.

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Speaker 2: The polls are speaking very clearly on this. But what

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Speaker 2: Biden is saying is the follower his team. I should say, Clay,

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Speaker 2: we got the following provisos, no audience, no RFK junior,

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Speaker 2: no Trump remarks during Biden's answers. I mean, everyone agrees

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Speaker 2: to that, but people always interrupt each other and the

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Speaker 2: Biden leaning or Biden leading outlets of CBS, ABC, CNN,

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Speaker 2: and Telemundo. So he's got a whole bunch of requirements

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Speaker 2: for this, and it's based on networks that hosted Republican debates,

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Speaker 2: prime events in twenty sixteen and Democratic debates in twenty twenty. So, Clay,

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Speaker 2: what do you make of it? I mean, is it happening,

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Speaker 2: is it posturing? What's the biggest takeaway? I think it's

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Speaker 2: desperation from Biden. The cut that you played.

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Speaker 4: People can't see the video, but I believe there were

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Speaker 4: five or six cuts in that twenty second video. And

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Speaker 4: for people out there who don't understand what that means,

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Speaker 4: you and I are waving right now at the video

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Speaker 4: feed of the Clay and Buck radio show. There will

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Speaker 4: not be a single cut that will occur for the

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Speaker 4: entire three hour show. It's you and me sitting talking

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Speaker 4: and everybody can look directly at that camera. There isn't

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Speaker 4: a jump around, there's no edit, there's no teleprompter. This

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Speaker 4: is live, and there is no safety net, as you

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Speaker 4: can well tell, because sometimes we fall into the safety net,

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Speaker 4: but or fall where the safety net would be. But

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Speaker 4: Biden had to have several cuts there. So here's what

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Speaker 4: I think is going on. I think that there is

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Speaker 4: desperation inside of the Biden camp. I think they felt

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Speaker 4: a small measure of uplift from Biden's performance at the

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Speaker 4: State of the Union when he didn't fall all over

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Speaker 4: his face. And I think wanting a debate to take

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Speaker 4: place on June twenty seven is about trying to convince Democrats, Hey,

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Speaker 4: Biden's going to be okay June twenty seventh, nine pm

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Speaker 4: Eastern on CNN. We know that that's going to be

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Speaker 4: a rigged referee. We don't know who the moderator will be.

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Speaker 4: The other one is going to be in September Buck,

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Speaker 4: So I think what they're trying to do is they

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Speaker 4: recognized it was awful for them if they didn't debate,

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Speaker 4: but they want to have the debates as early as possible.

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Speaker 4: So if they get them done by September, then they

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Speaker 4: can go run their campaign and try to get their

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Speaker 4: get out the vote campaign going without having to worry

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Speaker 4: about a disastrous October. I feel like there's probably a

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Speaker 4: couple of October surprises they've got planned to try to

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Speaker 4: drag down Trump. That would be my bet, And so

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Speaker 4: they're trying to get the debates put behind them. So

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Speaker 4: the story arc changes. One happens in the middle of

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Speaker 4: the summer when a lot of people aren't paying attention.

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Speaker 4: The other one happens in September before a lot of

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Speaker 4: people are paying attention. It's desperate designed to kind of

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Speaker 4: placate the donors, but also have the limited impact of

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Speaker 1: That's my thought on the strategy. So if my quick.

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Speaker 2: Google research here is correct, the first twenty sixteen presidential

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Speaker 2: debate was late September September twenty sixth, at again twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: different than it would be in a normal election year

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Speaker 2: twenty sixteen, though the first presidential debate was September twenty sixth.

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Speaker 2: So point here is offering to go in June is.

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Speaker 1: A move right, that's not just a thing.

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Speaker 2: There's a willingness to try to get this done a

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Speaker 2: lot sooner than they would otherwise because Biden is an

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Speaker 2: incumbent who is trailing and they have to stop that,

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Speaker 2: and they figure, I think this is their calculation, Clay.

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Speaker 2: They can put Biden on the stage, give him whatever

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Speaker 2: the hour of the two hours, whatever it is, and

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Speaker 2: then all summer we hear Joe still got it. He's

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Speaker 2: you know, look what he did against Trump on the stage,

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Speaker 2: and I think that that is the thing that they're

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Speaker 2: trying to pull off, because otherwise the numbers right now

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Speaker 2: indicate that this is only going in one direction, and

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Speaker 2: it's toward a Trump victory. So for an incumbent president

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Speaker 2: to even think about debating in June of the election year,

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Speaker 2: I don't think there's any way to see it other

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Speaker 2: than what you said, which is a desperation, a recognition

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Speaker 2: that they're losing. You only would do this, I mean

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Speaker 2: the thing of it, if you were the president Clay

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Speaker 2: and you were up by five points or ten points

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Speaker 2: nationally on the challenger, you'd be like, Yeah, I'm gonna

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Speaker 2: let the summer do its thing, and I'm gonna come

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Speaker 2: in September and then I'm going to clean your clock.

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Speaker 2: Right Yeah, June June is I need to get on

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Speaker 2: that debate stage as soon as possible to change the momentum.

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Speaker 2: Here's the other thing I would point out, we got

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Speaker 2: a big steak dinner to me. The June twenty seventh

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Speaker 2: debate could also be about Biden having to respond to

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Speaker 2: donors who don't think he should be the guy, and

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Speaker 2: so they want to do this June twenty seventh to

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Speaker 2: put things to rest before the Democrat convention in August,

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Speaker 2: and I would just put out there if Trump shows

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Speaker 2: up and cleans Biden's clock and whatever drug cocktail they're

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Speaker 2: firing up with Biden, whatever drug cocktail he has, doesn't

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Speaker 2: work like it has in the past. Remember, this will

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Speaker 2: theoretically be off teleprompter. And I do think all of

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Speaker 2: the debate parameters matter. Here a great deal. Who's the moderator?

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Speaker 2: How much time can you spend on the prompter? If

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Speaker 2: I'm the Biden team, I want like five minute opening

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Speaker 2: statements that my candidates can read directly off the prompter.

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Speaker 2: I want a five minute closing statement that my candidates

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Speaker 2: or in a half debate instead of a two hour debate,

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Speaker 2: maybe even an hour debate. I want to whittle down.

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Speaker 2: I want commercial breaks. I want to whittle down the

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Speaker 2: actual amount of time that my candidate has to be

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Speaker 2: standing there on the stage talking without any prompting. I

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Speaker 2: also want an ear piece where somebody might be able

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Speaker 2: to talk to him. I really think the details surrounding

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Speaker 2: how this debate is set up are a big deal. Now,

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Speaker 2: remember that we do know some of this, and Trump

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Speaker 2: just tweeted out buck or sorry truth doubt.

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Speaker 1: We have the dates now.

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Speaker 4: Trump has agreed to them, and he's asking for more debates.

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Speaker 4: I don't think that Biden's team will give them. But

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Speaker 4: we got June twenty seventh, a Thursday in late June,

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Speaker 4: in the middle of the summer, that will be taking

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Speaker 4: place in Atlanta. We don't know about a studio audience.

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Speaker 4: We don't know the moderator. The other one will be

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Speaker 4: on ABC News on September tenth. So it's not only

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Speaker 4: that it's in September, Buck, it's earlier. The latest debate

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Speaker 4: in this cycle is earlier than the earliest debate has

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Speaker 4: ever been in the Trump era.

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Speaker 1: They're moving it up for sure.

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Speaker 2: This is Trump responding to Biden's challenge here of a

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Speaker 2: duel on the stage. This was on Hugh Hewitt Show.

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Speaker 2: This is cut to play it.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I've been trying to get you know, he's

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Speaker 5: issuing it. I wonder whether or not he shows up,

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Speaker 5: because you know, he also challenged me to golf. So

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Speaker 5: I'm a very good golfer. He can't hit a ball

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Speaker 5: fifty yards, he said, I'll give him three aside, but

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Speaker 5: he knows he'll never play. This is sort of like that,

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Speaker 5: I think, but I hope not, because I really think

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Speaker 5: he has the debate. He might as well get it

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Speaker 5: up with. Probably should do it early so that he can.

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Speaker 5: You know, he's not going to get any better.

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Speaker 2: I think it is true, he's not going to get

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Speaker 2: any better. But they've had to show their hand here

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Speaker 2: a bit. There is no way anyone can see the

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Speaker 2: schedule of the debates as proposed to the Trump team

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Speaker 2: from Biden, and now it seems to be agreed upon,

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Speaker 2: at least in terms of the rough you know, the

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Speaker 2: overall outline of things. You can't see this and think

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Speaker 2: anything other than Joe Biden is in a weak spot

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Speaker 2: for an incumbent president. Yes, especially an incumbent president it

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Speaker 2: was facing four criminal trials. An incumbent president, to Democrats say,

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Speaker 2: is the biggest threat to America since the Civil War,

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Speaker 2: a bigger threat than nine to eleven. I mean, they've

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Speaker 2: said all this insane stuff a million times now, and

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Speaker 2: somehow it seems a majority of the country would rather

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Speaker 2: have that guy in charge than the guy who's currently

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Speaker 2: in charge.

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Speaker 1: What does that tell you?

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Speaker 2: You know, I always wonder what the emotional fallout will

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Speaker 2: be this if Trump broke them by winning in twenty sixteen,

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Speaker 2: what happens after you're emotionally broken?

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Speaker 4: I don't know other thing that I would factor in

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Speaker 4: this great question. The Hunter Biden trials theoretically are going

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Speaker 4: to be taking place when this debate happened on June

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Speaker 4: twenty seventh. Is a lot of talk about it. Hunter

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Speaker 4: is scheduled for the gun charge on the East Coast

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Speaker 4: June third, and then I think it's something like June twentieth,

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Speaker 4: Hunter is scheduled on the tax charges. There's a big

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Speaker 4: story out there. We'll talk about it a little bit.

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Speaker 4: Wonder how the timing on this implicates that, and again

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Speaker 4: there are a lot of devil in the details. I

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Speaker 4: would think, I'm curious if you would agree we'll talk

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Speaker 4: about it more that Trump probably wants a live audience.

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Speaker 4: I would think who they select as the moderator to

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Speaker 4: kind of think about this. If you know CNN's hosting it,

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Speaker 4: who's the best moderator? In your mind? You know CNN, well,

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Speaker 4: who would be the fairest moderator that you could hope

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Speaker 4: for if you're Trump? Because remember a lot of times

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Speaker 4: there's a rig job going on, and Biden gets protected,

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Speaker 4: kind of like a ref. If he's in the corner

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Speaker 4: getting pummeled, the ref comes in and pulls Trump off.

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Speaker 2: I think this is funny because you have the guy

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Speaker 2: who's officially banned from CNN asking the guy who's de

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Speaker 2: factol Ben Yeah, CNN about the CNN roster. Oh gosh,

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Speaker 2: the best think about it.

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Speaker 1: We'll go to break here. It's a tease. We'll think

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Speaker 4: Welcome back in Clay Travis buck Sexton show lots of

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Speaker 4: reaction here as we now have breaking news debates, at

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Speaker 4: You asked me a question, I'll answer it. What would

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Speaker 4: I don't need him on Biden just kind of throwing punches,

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Speaker 2: So if you want, I thought you'd probably say this

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Speaker 2: Trump clearly has a vitality and a relative youthfulness in

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Speaker 2: it to look like Trump is doing elder abuse up there,

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Speaker 2: you know what I mean. That's that's really the line

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Speaker 2: I think he despises by yeah, exactly right.

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Speaker 4: This is not like a Hey, we kind of just

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Speaker 1: No, I think that Trump. I think loves Barack now.

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Speaker 4: Well of course, and they're probably uh probably be running

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to Clay an Buck squaring off in advance

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Speaker 2: of well squaring off on stage. We are getting details

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Speaker 2: in about the presidential debates. I think it also makes

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Speaker 2: this all feel like, wow, this is really happening now,

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Speaker 2: for years, we shall take a look into this now.

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Speaker 2: I just want to note that there's definitely a posture

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Speaker 6: The President himself did not mince words, right. He said

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Speaker 6: Trump hasn't debated it sinceresident.

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Speaker 1: He's happy to debate.

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Speaker 6: He's happy to do it twice, and he thinks that

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Speaker 6: in June, after Donald Trump's criminal trial is likely to conclude,

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Speaker 6: and then we should have a second debate in September,

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Speaker 6: American people can hear from both candidates before they go

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Speaker 2: I mean, well, he's not going to duck Biden into

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Speaker 2: did think it was interesting the gratuitous Trump will be

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Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, that's right. When you think of a man,

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Speaker 4: I I just can't the more I think about this,

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Speaker 4: this was such a calculated attempt. A part of me

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Speaker 4: Why I can't think otherwise why you would want a

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Speaker 4: June debate Now I can see the debate being in

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Speaker 4: I don't think I have it on my calendar right now,

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Speaker 4: September seventh, and I want another debate on September twenty first,

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Speaker 4: after the conventions. To have a debate before the conventions

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Speaker 4: have ever occurred for either occurred for both party is

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Speaker 1: Why would just think about it?

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Speaker 4: Why would there be a June twenty seventh debate when

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Speaker 2: Well, see, this is where unfortunately, the very low expectations

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Speaker 1: Going to happen.

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Speaker 2: Okay, If our hope, if our best hope for the

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Speaker 2: they're giving him, I don't know how they prep him,

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Speaker 2: but he's gonna do what he always does. This guy

437
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Speaker 2: has spent his whole life grinning into cameras and saying

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Speaker 2: the most dishonest talking points, imaginable. He's gonna be able

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Speaker 2: to pull it off one more time.

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Speaker 4: My mom, Hi, Mom, text me, you know, if it's

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Speaker 4: on CNN, Biden's going to have all the questions and

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Speaker 4: answers in advance, and this kind of I think there's

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Speaker 4: a lot of you out there that are not in

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Speaker 4: your heads along. My mom just texted me that. And

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Speaker 4: this goes into the question that we had Buck. Can

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Speaker 4: I just point out why that's not crazy at all

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Speaker 4: for a second. Yeah, And one of the CNN employees,

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Speaker 4: it was Donna Brazil. Donna Brazil cave Hillary questions. Yeah,

449
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Speaker 4: so this isn't like, hey, that's a crazy conspiracy. It

450
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Speaker 4: already happened once with Trump debating somebody in a presidential election.

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Speaker 4: SORRK Like go ahead, No, I mean I think so

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Speaker 4: we know it's happened. I think many of you out

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Speaker 4: there are like, of course that would happen. We know

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Speaker 4: the rig job that exists already for Biden when he

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Speaker 4: knows exactly who he's gonna call on in a press

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Speaker 4: conference and he knows what their question is going to be, already,

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Speaker 4: it's written on the card in front of him. I tweeted,

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Speaker 4: out CNN is horribly biased in favor of Joe Biden.

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Speaker 4: We all know that. With that said, who's the fairest

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Speaker 4: CNN moderator they could pick? Interested in the suggestions? Who

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Speaker 4: would be the pick? If the true media neutrality is

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Speaker 4: the goal? Now I understand all of you out there

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Speaker 4: like the goal was not true media neutrality understood? But

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Speaker 4: if you and me Buck got to be They said,

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Speaker 4: Clay and Buck, you're the smartest guys in media. You

466
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Speaker 4: have the best hair, you have the most successful show,

467
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Speaker 4: the people and your wives are amazing. All these things

468
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Speaker 4: are true. You guys get to pick who would we

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Speaker 4: think would be the best possible person to conduct the moderation. Now,

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Speaker 4: there may be moderate, there may be more than one,

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Speaker 4: but if you can pay one. If you want this

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Speaker 4: to be an exercise in in I think a parent fairness,

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Speaker 4: and and you wanted to also be a spectacle that

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Speaker 4: people watch in a way that would shatter records. I mean,

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Speaker 4: I think, I honestly, if we had to so, it

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Speaker 4: can't be us. So I'll just say that it can't

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Speaker 4: be us, and it can't be any of our friends

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Speaker 4: on premier networks. I mean it would be it would

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Speaker 4: be great if we could get some of them to

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Speaker 4: host this, but they're not going to do that, then

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Speaker 4: won't let them do that. Look, I think Joe Rogan

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Speaker 4: would be a very good moderator because let me just

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Speaker 4: make my cases to why his whole show is based

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Speaker 4: on an earnest and honest curiosity of asking guests questions.

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Speaker 4: They would say he's too right wing now, but really

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Speaker 4: he's just not insane, and he sees the things I

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Speaker 4: think for what they are for the most part, and

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Speaker 4: he's wealthy enough and influential enough that he's not scared

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Speaker 4: about whether the CNN or ABC executives are going to

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Speaker 4: re sign his contract.

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Speaker 1: That's actually critical.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I think you could argue that maybe one

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Speaker 2: of the most important things in this kind of debate

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Speaker 2: for a moderator. If you work at ABC or CNN

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Speaker 2: or you know, go down the NBC, go down the list,

496
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Speaker 2: if you are seen to do anything other than try

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Speaker 2: to help Joe Biden in the most effect way you

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Speaker 2: can without blowing the whole you know, blowing your cover

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Speaker 2: on the whole thing, it will negatively affect your career.

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Speaker 2: And you know, for people who are used to making

501
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Speaker 2: from two to ten million dollars a year to do

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Speaker 2: a job that a thousand other people can do with

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Speaker 2: these news organizations and do just as well. Do you

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Speaker 2: see what I'm saying. There's a pressure. There's no autonomy

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Speaker 2: for people who are working at those networks in these

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Speaker 2: anchor roles because they're all very interchangeable. So that's you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you said before to be Clay Stephanopoulos is

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Speaker 2: going to be who they probably go with at ABC, ABC,

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Speaker 2: and then probably bring on a two other I would

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Speaker 2: guess moderators as well. Who are going to be people

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Speaker 2: that you haven't heard of, but add to the DEI.

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Speaker 4: It'll be somebody who speaks Spanish, yes, their primary language.

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Speaker 1: It's something you like, you know, a black woman.

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Speaker 2: You know, they'll have a non binary person from the

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Speaker 2: you know, from the archives at NBC who all of

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Speaker 2: a sudden is like a top anchor. But I I

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Speaker 2: really do think that you you need somebody who has

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Speaker 2: the financial and brand autonomy to be exempt from the

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Speaker 2: pressures that you would have. I mean it's a good point,

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Speaker 2: you know. I know they'd all say Elon Musk is

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Speaker 2: far too right wing. I actually I think if Elon

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Speaker 2: Musk said, I will be honest and fair in the debate.

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Speaker 2: Would I would trust that he would be as honest

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Speaker 2: and fair as anyone could possibly be.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure he wants this job. He doesn't want this.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but you can't have somebody who's next contract cycle

527
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Speaker 2: depends on the will of anti Trump media executives, because then,

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Speaker 2: and that's what you have at all these TV networks.

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Speaker 1: It's a great point you made.

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Speaker 4: If I were the Trump team, I would say, I

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Speaker 4: want Twitter to host one of the debates, and I

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Speaker 4: want Elon Musk to select a moderator, and we'll do

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Speaker 4: it live streamed on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I think this whole thing.

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Speaker 2: We're in the digital era now, you know, different stations

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Speaker 2: should be able to you know, this notion that like

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Speaker 2: one station should just get the debate, I disagree with this.

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Speaker 2: In practice, There's there's no reason for that to be

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Speaker 2: the case. It should be online streaming and a variety

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Speaker 2: of channels should all be able to simulcast it, you know,

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Speaker 2: the same way that nobody can own the content. That

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Speaker 2: is like the Q and A in the West wing

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Speaker 2: right like, sorry, that's that's public record, that's public information.

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Speaker 4: Just state of the Union, the state of the Union

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Speaker 4: broadcast live on every Network's what I mean. I agree

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Speaker 4: with you, So the debates on every single channel simultaneous,

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Speaker 4: you know, and I know the media executives out there

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Speaker 4: would they would disagree with this. But ultimately, the reason

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Speaker 4: that I think it keeps going back to the same

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Speaker 4: places is because the establishment media that has the most reached,

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Speaker 4: the most connections, and the most money to throw into

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Speaker 4: all these things.

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Speaker 1: Is Democrat leading.

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Speaker 2: But let's let's take some calls on this, because I'm

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Speaker 2: curious to see where people come down on is this

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Speaker 2: even Look, there's another point of view on this that

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Speaker 2: I think is fair to bring up, might even be

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Speaker 2: the most accur in, which is I don't know if

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Speaker 2: debates matter. I don't know if debates matter.

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Speaker 4: We're in a particularly in this one, where everybody already knows.

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Speaker 4: If you're introducing yourself to somebody and showing your skills

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Speaker 4: and showing your ability on the stage, that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: But everybody knows these guys, Everyone's known them for a

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Speaker 4: long time. Biden is Biden, and there's gonna be no surprises.

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Speaker 4: Trump didn't debate in the primary, and we've seen more

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Speaker 4: and more of this. Katie Hobbs in Arizona. We got

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Speaker 4: Carry Lake on the show later, Katie Hobbs refused to debate.

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Speaker 4: Why because you figured it. I'll just have the right

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Speaker 4: amount of votes in the right places. I don't need

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Speaker 4: to debate. I think that's the political.

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Speaker 2: Era we're in these days, with all the micro targeting

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Speaker 2: and the sort of digitization of political outreach.

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Speaker 1: Here's a good way of putting that buck.

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Speaker 4: If Biden had the lead in all the battleground states

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Speaker 4: that Trump has now, he wouldn't debate. That's why I

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Speaker 4: see this as fundamentally a weakness. Usually it's the challenger

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Speaker 4: who needs the debates more. I think this is a

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Speaker 4: rare one where the incumbent needs them more. We got

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Speaker 4: a bunch of suggestions by the way, rolling in on

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Speaker 4: would be interesting to have as moderators. The ones that

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Speaker 4: I got most frequently were for Reid Zakaria, I think,

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Speaker 4: and I might be mispronouncing his name. Is the one

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Speaker 4: that the most of you are saying that you like

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Speaker 4: the most.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 4: The and a lot of you are saying, there's the

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Speaker 4: number one thing is there's no such thing as a

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Speaker 4: fair moderator.

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Speaker 1: What do you like?

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Speaker 2: Well, this is the thing just before I would say

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Speaker 2: anything about anyone at CNN, all of you are going

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Speaker 2: to hate any.

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Speaker 1: Of these suggestions, such as understand, this.

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Speaker 4: Is not saying we think this is a great idea.

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Speaker 4: We're saying it's the best of worst options. Is ended

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Speaker 4: up married to me, but it was the best of

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Speaker 4: her of her bad options.

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Speaker 2: Clay is asking me, Buck, if we have to amputate

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Speaker 2: someone's limb here, if it's gang Greeness and we have

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Speaker 2: to amputate, what is the best implement to use this

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Speaker 2: is unpleasant and bad no matter what. All right, there's

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Speaker 2: no CNN moderator that I'm going to bring up that

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Speaker 2: you're going to say, Oh, guy's great or she it's

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Speaker 2: really fair, I think actually, and I know this is

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Speaker 2: boring because you just said it. I think Farid Zakaria

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Speaker 2: is probably the best option that comes to mind out

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Speaker 2: of out of the CNN group. So to speak out

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Speaker 2: of the people over there, I think before the incident

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Speaker 2: of the town hall, Caitlyn Collins, yeah, would have been

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Speaker 2: very good, very good relative to the field. So I'd

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Speaker 2: have to think a little more about you know who,

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Speaker 2: Brooke Baldwin no longer with CNN would have been a pick,

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Speaker 2: I think, and we're still hoping to get her on

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Speaker 2: to chat at some point. But yeah, I think that

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Speaker 2: the options are very limited because so much of CNN.

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Speaker 2: If you basically worked at CNN from twenty sixteen to

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty, you've disqualified yourself because they all turned so like.

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Speaker 2: You couldn't have Jim Acosta do this, you can't have

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Speaker 2: Jake Tapper do this. You can have a cost to

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Speaker 2: do this, you can have I mean, people might say

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Speaker 2: wolf Blitzer just because I think he's.

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Speaker 1: He's a stable old guy there.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean he's worth tens of millions of dollars at least,

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Speaker 2: maybe over one hundred million now, and you know, he's

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Speaker 2: just sort of doing his thing, and he's not an

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Speaker 2: aggressive guy. So I've always heard he's nice. I don't

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Speaker 2: know if that's true. I never actually met him. So

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Speaker 2: those are the possibilities, but nobody's you're good. And if

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Speaker 2: you don't know, and I think a lot of you

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Speaker 2: out there are probably in this camp. You don't even

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Speaker 2: know who the primetime hosts are because a lot of

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Speaker 2: times those are the people that get the.

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Speaker 4: I don't I couldn't tell you what to see. An

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Speaker 4: in primetime lineup is well, let's see if I get

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Speaker 4: this right. I don't know in order. Anderson Cooper has

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Speaker 4: been there forever. Jake Tapper is on in the afternoon,

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Speaker 4: not a primetime guy. I think Aaron Burnett is on

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Speaker 4: in primetime, and I think Caitlyn Collins. So I think

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Speaker 4: it's Aaron Burnett, Anderson Cooper, and Caitlyn Collins in no

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Speaker 4: particular roy.

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Speaker 2: I think the likeliest, the likeliest to get the job,

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Speaker 2: if they're going to pick one, is actually Aaron Burnett.

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Speaker 4: Now she just did the sit down with Biden where

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Speaker 4: he claimed the nine percent inflation thing, so I don't

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Speaker 4: know if that factors in. I do think Caitlyn Collins

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Speaker 4: would have potentially been in the She had the town

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Speaker 4: hall with Trump and a lot of people were upset

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Speaker 4: because he basically steamrolled her there and they gave him

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Speaker 4: the live studio audience that got Chris lick fi.

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Speaker 2: Ireland started her career at The Daily Caller, so just

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Speaker 2: at Tucker's website, so there's hope, there's hope there.

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Speaker 4: She is a big Alabama Crimson Tide fan. I saw

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Speaker 4: her most recently at the ELI Gold in the Booth

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Speaker 4: calling a game. By the way, Abby Phillip, no idea

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Speaker 4: who that is is on CNN at ten more coats

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Speaker 4: on CNN at eleven buck. I'm not kidding about this.

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Speaker 4: If you put them in a lineup, I don't think

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Speaker 4: I would recognize them. I can't imagine that they would

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Speaker 4: be the Detroit Well, we've got every line lit, so

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Speaker 4: let's take some calls play in the next hour.

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Speaker 1: People's way and we're talking debates. Presidential