1 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:06,680 Speaker 1: Higat everybody on Dan Horde and thanks for downloading The 2 00:00:06,720 --> 00:00:13,200 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth podcast the Do You Remember the Time edition 3 00:00:13,640 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: as I sit down with Bengals President Mike Brown to 4 00:00:16,480 --> 00:00:20,720 Speaker 1: reminisce about the nineteen people under consideration for the Bengals 5 00:00:20,760 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: initial Ring of Honor class. Mike has tremendous stories to share, 6 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:29,240 Speaker 1: like feeling the earth move when Corey Dillon ran by, 7 00:00:29,600 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: laughing at the sight of a scrawnye Chris Collinsworth with 8 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,040 Speaker 1: his shirt off at the NFL scouting combine, and traveling 9 00:00:36,040 --> 00:00:39,720 Speaker 1: to tiny Augustana College to scout the greatest quarterback in 10 00:00:39,800 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: franchise history, Ken Anderson. I think you'll really enjoy our conversation. 11 00:00:44,920 --> 00:00:48,280 Speaker 1: The Bengals Booth Podcast is presented by bud Light. Seltzer 12 00:00:48,360 --> 00:00:51,199 Speaker 1: Refreshed the Game and here's a quick reminder that you 13 00:00:51,240 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: can have the latest edition of this podcast delivered right 14 00:00:54,640 --> 00:00:58,480 Speaker 1: to your phone, tablet, or computer by subscribing on iTunes, Stitch, 15 00:00:58,480 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: your Google Play, Spotify, or pod Bean. It's the greatest 16 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:06,880 Speaker 1: thing since learning how to type. It's been a long 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: time since I graduated from high school. I don't remember 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: anything about algebra, trigonometry, and despite taking Spanish for several years, 19 00:01:15,200 --> 00:01:18,800 Speaker 1: and even spending time abroad as an exchange student. All 20 00:01:18,840 --> 00:01:21,840 Speaker 1: I can do now in the Spanish language is count 21 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 1: to eight. It's pitiful. But the one thing I learned 22 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,399 Speaker 1: in high school that hasn't slipped at all is the 23 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:31,840 Speaker 1: ability to type. I remain relatively fast and accurate, and 24 00:01:31,959 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: it's been an essential skill in my profession. So thank you, 25 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: missus King, my typing teacher at Southwestern High I've never 26 00:01:40,800 --> 00:01:45,120 Speaker 1: had to hunt and peck thanks to you. Now, let's 27 00:01:45,160 --> 00:01:48,680 Speaker 1: get to the Bengals Ring of Honor. This Monday morning, 28 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: May twenty fourth, at nine am, Ring of Honor voting 29 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: begins for Bengal season ticket members. Voting will last until 30 00:01:56,040 --> 00:02:00,360 Speaker 1: June eighteenth. That's roughly four weeks, and anybody it has 31 00:02:00,400 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: season tickets or purchases them by June eighteenth is eligible 32 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,680 Speaker 1: to vote. The first two members of the inaugural class 33 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: are Paul Brown and Anthony Munio's. The final two members 34 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: will be chosen from a ballot that features seventeen former players. 35 00:02:16,760 --> 00:02:19,920 Speaker 1: Nobody knows more about the group or has better stories 36 00:02:19,960 --> 00:02:23,840 Speaker 1: to tell about them than Bengals President Mike Brown. We 37 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:26,760 Speaker 1: sat down in his office this week to look back 38 00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:32,080 Speaker 1: at nineteen legendary figures in team history. The Bengals are 39 00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:34,040 Speaker 1: adding a Ring of Honor in twenty twenty one. The 40 00:02:34,080 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 1: initial class will include Hall of famers Paul Brown and 41 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:38,959 Speaker 1: Anthony Munio's along with two players that will be voted 42 00:02:39,000 --> 00:02:41,840 Speaker 1: in by season ticket members. And today we are going 43 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: to reminisce about the candidates with Bengals President Mike Brown. 44 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:50,000 Speaker 1: Let's start with your dad, arguably the most innovative coach 45 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:54,200 Speaker 1: in sports history. You obviously have a unique perspective at 46 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,680 Speaker 1: your father, But what stands out when you think of 47 00:02:56,720 --> 00:03:00,960 Speaker 1: your dad as a football coach? Oh, many things. He 48 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:07,680 Speaker 1: was very successful as a coach. He was extremely organized 49 00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:12,720 Speaker 1: and he had an ability to cut through things to 50 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:18,360 Speaker 1: get to what mattered. For example, his practices were the 51 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:23,520 Speaker 1: shortest of any team, and he did that because he 52 00:03:23,600 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: felt people could only concentrate so long before they lost 53 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:34,800 Speaker 1: their ability to apply themselves. I think that was true. 54 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:40,480 Speaker 1: He didn't break up his players and practices they were 55 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:47,960 Speaker 1: almost non contact. The contact they had was just a 56 00:03:48,120 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: player two on Fridays and the rest of it was 57 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:59,200 Speaker 1: running against dummies. Everyone understood you weren't supposed to hit 58 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:03,640 Speaker 1: the guy and they didn't. They knew that they shouldn't, 59 00:04:03,680 --> 00:04:09,839 Speaker 1: and so the teams were healthy teams. Generally, he was imaginative. 60 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:16,680 Speaker 1: He did things ahead of his times that became every 61 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 1: day procedures for modern practices. The things that he did 62 00:04:24,120 --> 00:04:30,600 Speaker 1: that were different that people know about are the face mask, 63 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:37,040 Speaker 1: and that came about when Otto Graham had his face 64 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: cut up when a forty nine Ers player plowed into 65 00:04:41,400 --> 00:04:46,119 Speaker 1: him as they went out of bounds. The next week 66 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:51,000 Speaker 1: at practice, my dad said, the equipment manager for the Browns, 67 00:04:52,000 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 1: get the face masks, not the heavy kind of iron 68 00:04:56,160 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: face masks that then existed, but one that would be 69 00:05:00,640 --> 00:05:05,560 Speaker 1: light and wouldn't interfere with Otto's vision. They came up 70 00:05:05,600 --> 00:05:09,360 Speaker 1: with an extruded plastic bar that was as strong as 71 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 1: need be, and that's what they used. It became the 72 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: basis for what is today the standard face mask. It's 73 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:29,240 Speaker 1: a light piece of equipment and it provided vision. In 74 00:05:29,279 --> 00:05:32,760 Speaker 1: other words, the vision wasn't interrupted or interfered with, as 75 00:05:32,800 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 1: the old style face masks seemed to do. He was 76 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:44,479 Speaker 1: good at innovation on the field. The plays they used. 77 00:05:45,320 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: The one story that a lot of people know is 78 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 1: how the draw play came into existence. The draw plays 79 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:59,679 Speaker 1: a regular part of football today. It first was used 80 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:05,799 Speaker 1: by the Old Browns. It happened when Battle Graham faded 81 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,760 Speaker 1: back to pass and Marion Motley and he collided. One 82 00:06:10,839 --> 00:06:13,320 Speaker 1: of them had to be wrong. Neither admitted to it. 83 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:17,160 Speaker 1: The ball popped up in the air. Marian saw it 84 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:21,960 Speaker 1: in the air above his head, reached up, grabbed it, 85 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:24,719 Speaker 1: tucked it away, looked up, saw an opening that was 86 00:06:24,760 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: just a natural opening, and ran through it for a 87 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 1: good game. And the next day, when my father and 88 00:06:32,720 --> 00:06:36,440 Speaker 1: his coaches were looking at the play, they saw what happened, 89 00:06:36,720 --> 00:06:42,680 Speaker 1: they made it into a regular play. He had the 90 00:06:43,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: ability to see something that went awry and make something 91 00:06:49,520 --> 00:06:53,440 Speaker 1: useful out of it. The other thing that a lot 92 00:06:53,480 --> 00:06:58,040 Speaker 1: of people remember about him is that he integrated his team, 93 00:06:58,720 --> 00:07:07,719 Speaker 1: the Browns, that when football was still segregated, and he 94 00:07:08,120 --> 00:07:13,559 Speaker 1: signed Bill Willis and Marion Motley. They were the two 95 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 1: players that broke the color line in the old All 96 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:23,800 Speaker 1: American Football Conference that was in nineteen forty six. It 97 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:27,240 Speaker 1: took ten years or longer for teams to catch up 98 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:32,560 Speaker 1: with that, and it never occurred to him that it 99 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: should be otherwise. Beyond that, he was smart enough to 100 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: know that these two guys could play football and that 101 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:44,760 Speaker 1: would help his team make it better. That weighed with him, 102 00:07:44,800 --> 00:07:48,800 Speaker 1: and he would freely say so, but that was good. 103 00:07:48,920 --> 00:07:51,400 Speaker 1: I once heard Jim Brown said that was the right 104 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:55,440 Speaker 1: reason to do what he did, not some kind of 105 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: do good or a reason, but because he thought they 106 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:03,160 Speaker 1: deserved the same answers to anybody else. And that was 107 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:06,520 Speaker 1: what my father did believe, and that's what he acted 108 00:08:06,560 --> 00:08:11,440 Speaker 1: on when others weren't prepared to do that. So in 109 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:17,600 Speaker 1: many ways, the few I just recited our examples. He 110 00:08:17,760 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: was ahead of his times, but he wore that in 111 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:25,800 Speaker 1: a very unassuming way. It never occurred to him that 112 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,760 Speaker 1: anything was special about it. It was just, well, why 113 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 1: don't we do this, It's a better way to do it. 114 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,880 Speaker 1: And off they went and did it, and it worked 115 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 1: and made his teams better, made them more successful than 116 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:48,600 Speaker 1: the competition. He had a wonderful clear mind. He was 117 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:53,960 Speaker 1: a great coach and I thought a great father. I 118 00:08:54,040 --> 00:08:58,800 Speaker 1: respect him to my core to this day. I tell 119 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: the story where he would come in the room and say, Mike, 120 00:09:05,320 --> 00:09:09,199 Speaker 1: it would be two feet up in the air doing 121 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:11,680 Speaker 1: whatever he told me to do, before he even it 122 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:15,079 Speaker 1: even registered with me what it was that he was 123 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: told me to do so. He had my attention, but 124 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,880 Speaker 1: he had the attention of his players too. They had 125 00:09:21,920 --> 00:09:25,120 Speaker 1: a good relationship with him after they played. He was 126 00:09:26,080 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 1: friends with them. They were many of them dear friends 127 00:09:29,040 --> 00:09:33,439 Speaker 1: of his in later life. But when they played, he 128 00:09:33,520 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: kept his distance and he insisted that they live up 129 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,200 Speaker 1: to the code. You made Anthony Munio as the third 130 00:09:42,200 --> 00:09:44,800 Speaker 1: pick in the draft back in nineteen eighty. Several other 131 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,600 Speaker 1: NFL teams rolled him out, at least in the first 132 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: few rounds because he had had three knee surgeries at USC. 133 00:09:51,520 --> 00:09:54,200 Speaker 1: That decision certainly paid off. He is widely considered to 134 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 1: be one of the best tackles in NFL history. We 135 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: think he was the greatest tackle and NFL history. Anthony 136 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: was well known in coweage as a top player, but 137 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:12,400 Speaker 1: his senior year he was injured. I think it was 138 00:10:12,480 --> 00:10:16,600 Speaker 1: in their first game and he didn't play until the 139 00:10:16,640 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: final game USC had that year. That was the Rose 140 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:25,079 Speaker 1: Bowl when they played Ohio State. It just happened that 141 00:10:25,679 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: my brother, Pete and I were out in California visiting 142 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,640 Speaker 1: my father who had a home out there, and the 143 00:10:33,640 --> 00:10:37,040 Speaker 1: three of us sat on the couch to watch the 144 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: Rose Bowl and we began to laugh and chuckle because 145 00:10:42,840 --> 00:10:47,560 Speaker 1: Anthony was dominating. He just was, Oh, I've never seen 146 00:10:47,600 --> 00:10:54,080 Speaker 1: anything better. And we knew or thought we could get him. Well. 147 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:58,800 Speaker 1: We had this reputation for a bad knee, and we 148 00:10:58,840 --> 00:11:03,640 Speaker 1: asked our team to doctor doctor George Bellu to tell 149 00:11:03,720 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: us whether he was okay or not. And doctor Bellu said, 150 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,360 Speaker 1: in his opinion, he was okay, and we took that 151 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,319 Speaker 1: as the standard and we accepted it. I think some 152 00:11:15,400 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 1: other teams questioned it. Who knows. Anyway, we had Anthony 153 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:23,400 Speaker 1: and what a great player he was. You knew it 154 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:27,960 Speaker 1: the minute he walked in that you had something special 155 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:32,320 Speaker 1: with him. He had all the physical dimensions at the 156 00:11:32,440 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: time he would have been a big man with long arms, 157 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: and more than that, he had this athletic ability that 158 00:11:39,400 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: just popped right out. He could move like a little man, 159 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,600 Speaker 1: and he could bend his knees and he could retain 160 00:11:47,720 --> 00:11:52,040 Speaker 1: his balance. He was very well coached in college, and 161 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:58,200 Speaker 1: he came here with a style of play that was 162 00:11:58,640 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: right at the top. He was a equally great run 163 00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:11,880 Speaker 1: blocker and pass protector. I remember when we played Buffalo 164 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: and Bruce Smith, Yes, you remember Bruce Smith. Was the 165 00:12:16,280 --> 00:12:21,080 Speaker 1: defensive for Buffalo thirty young in his career back then, 166 00:12:21,120 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: and maybe just learning Anthony was at his peak ability 167 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:32,079 Speaker 1: and Anthony dominated him. He just kept him from getting 168 00:12:32,120 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: anywhere near the passer and on run plays he flowed 169 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 1: him right into the ground. It was an example of 170 00:12:42,280 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 1: Anthony at his best against another player who became a 171 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:52,760 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player. We had not only a great player, 172 00:12:52,800 --> 00:12:57,560 Speaker 1: an Anthony, we had a great individual, good person, person 173 00:12:57,640 --> 00:13:02,200 Speaker 1: that has dedicated his life after football to work in 174 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:07,120 Speaker 1: the community. If you know him personally, he's someone who's 175 00:13:07,160 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 1: easy to like, you are drawn to him. So we 176 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 1: had ourselves a great player, and it's so easy joy 177 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 1: When you get one like that, it just makes everything 178 00:13:25,280 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 1: else work a little bit better. And we were better 179 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: because we had Anthony, a Hall of Famer in every 180 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:35,440 Speaker 1: sense of the word. So your dad and Anthony Munio's 181 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 1: make up half of the inaugural Ring of Honor class. 182 00:13:38,360 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: Seventeen others are on the ballot. We're going to look 183 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,079 Speaker 1: at them alphabetically, beginning with a quarterback that you traveled 184 00:13:44,080 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: to Rock Island, Illinois to scout at tiny Augustana College, 185 00:13:48,640 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: Ken Anderson, and here's what you wrote in your scouting 186 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 1: report quote discounting experience, this is the best quarterback prospect 187 00:13:55,880 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: I have seen in college. Well, I liked him. The 188 00:14:00,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: story behind that amuses me still. My brother Pete was 189 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 1: her scouting director. We were always talking about players. He 190 00:14:14,120 --> 00:14:19,120 Speaker 1: said to me, well, there's this guy out at Augustana. 191 00:14:20,520 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: I said, Augustana, where it's that. I guess there are 192 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: at least two of them there. Made me more. But 193 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:32,880 Speaker 1: this was right on the Mississippi River, a Quad Cities area, 194 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:37,920 Speaker 1: and Pete had heard about the guy from another scout 195 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:43,720 Speaker 1: in a conversation. He wasn't especially well known by the public, 196 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: if known at all. I went out there and watched 197 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:54,880 Speaker 1: a game. He was acron He threw the ball with 198 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 1: what I call a classic motion, which was a type 199 00:14:58,000 --> 00:15:03,040 Speaker 1: motion the way you draw it up, and his release 200 00:15:03,240 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: was close to perfect, meaning the ball came off in 201 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 1: a dead spiral. He was athletic, He could move around. 202 00:15:13,880 --> 00:15:18,440 Speaker 1: He could find people down field. Of course, in that league, 203 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: the people downfield might have been five foot tall. There's 204 00:15:25,240 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 1: a story of Kenny later in life. He would get 205 00:15:29,160 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: together with his players Sam Augustan, and I remember seen 206 00:15:34,640 --> 00:15:39,120 Speaker 1: him with the offensive tackle on that team who came 207 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: up to Kenny's shoulder, but you could tell it didn't 208 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 1: matter what the level of competition was. He showed that 209 00:15:49,360 --> 00:15:52,960 Speaker 1: he was special. We brought him in after we drafted him, 210 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: and I sort of took pride in his being our pick. 211 00:15:59,800 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 1: We were out at spinning Field, our old practice facility, 212 00:16:03,560 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: and the first day Kenny was there, they put him 213 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,440 Speaker 1: out in the field, the coaches to see what he 214 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:14,239 Speaker 1: would could do, and it was just dreadfully he couldn't. 215 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:20,400 Speaker 1: He could hit the sight of a barn. And remember 216 00:16:20,560 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: my dad looking at me. This process unfolded, but nothing 217 00:16:28,640 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: was said. We went forward and the course reverted to form, 218 00:16:33,600 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 1: and it became a great player for us, that's for sure. 219 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: Up next another Anderson, the great Road Greater at right tackle. 220 00:16:41,760 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 1: Willie Anderson a gigantic three hundred and forty pound man 221 00:16:45,360 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: and certainly one of the best offensive linemen of his era, 222 00:16:48,640 --> 00:16:54,680 Speaker 1: any era. He was special. Willie was massive and he 223 00:16:54,840 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: had quick feet, the feet of the answer. He had 224 00:17:00,400 --> 00:17:04,840 Speaker 1: long arms. When anyone got to him, it didn't do 225 00:17:04,920 --> 00:17:07,280 Speaker 1: him much good because he was so big and strong 226 00:17:07,320 --> 00:17:11,160 Speaker 1: and they couldn't throw him off balance, and he could 227 00:17:12,040 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: dance with them, glide with them to the outside when 228 00:17:14,960 --> 00:17:18,600 Speaker 1: they tried to get around to the outside, so they 229 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 1: couldn't go outside, they couldn't go inside, They didn't go anywhere. 230 00:17:22,600 --> 00:17:26,560 Speaker 1: They just stayed where they were, and we had a 231 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:31,160 Speaker 1: right tackle that was as good a right tackle as 232 00:17:31,200 --> 00:17:34,840 Speaker 1: this league has seen. He should be in the Hall 233 00:17:34,880 --> 00:17:38,840 Speaker 1: of Fame along with Anthony. As a pair there was. 234 00:17:39,359 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: There wouldn't have been two better than those two. I 235 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:48,679 Speaker 1: am glad that he's a candidate for our Ring of Honor, 236 00:17:49,400 --> 00:17:55,160 Speaker 1: and I'm sure he will be selected soon. We moved 237 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 1: to the all time leading scorer in team history and 238 00:17:57,240 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 1: the Bengals kicker for thirteen years wearing that little size 239 00:18:01,080 --> 00:18:04,840 Speaker 1: five shoe on his kicking foot, Jim Breach. We came 240 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:10,439 Speaker 1: up with Jimmy. He was let go by Oakland and 241 00:18:10,640 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 1: I don't know what I'll befell him out there, but 242 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:18,159 Speaker 1: he came here and he wasn't long as kickers go, 243 00:18:19,359 --> 00:18:23,479 Speaker 1: but he was a great competitor. You could turn up 244 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: the heat on him and it didn't matter. We'd be 245 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:30,040 Speaker 1: in a game where we had to have a field 246 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:34,399 Speaker 1: goal to win it, and when he was kicking, he 247 00:18:34,520 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 1: didn't have much concern about it because he just was 248 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,439 Speaker 1: good for it. He made him all it seemed. That 249 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:49,160 Speaker 1: might seem to the casual observer as nothing so special. 250 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Why shouldn't he That's what he's paid to do. They 251 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:56,159 Speaker 1: might say, Well, believe me, that's not what most of 252 00:18:56,200 --> 00:19:00,600 Speaker 1: them do do. They don't manage to hold up when 253 00:19:00,640 --> 00:19:04,679 Speaker 1: the pressure's on. But Jimmy did for us for a 254 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,320 Speaker 1: good number of years. I think he still has the 255 00:19:07,320 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: most points of anyone ever with the Bengals, never missed 256 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: a kick in overtime, A perfect nine for nine Jim Breech. 257 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,720 Speaker 1: I've heard the next player on the list referred to 258 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,600 Speaker 1: as the toughest player pound for pound in team history, 259 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: running back James Brooks. James was a player we acquired 260 00:19:28,119 --> 00:19:32,439 Speaker 1: from San Diego. We traded Pete Johnson, who was a 261 00:19:32,520 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: fine player, and we got in return James Brooks. They 262 00:19:38,800 --> 00:19:43,600 Speaker 1: were opposites. Pete was a big power back. James was 263 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:50,320 Speaker 1: an offsized, fast, quick scooter. He could catch the ball, 264 00:19:51,280 --> 00:19:57,840 Speaker 1: had wonderful hands, great receiver. He was excellent running two. 265 00:19:58,600 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: You would have misjudged him if you looked at him 266 00:20:02,960 --> 00:20:05,639 Speaker 1: and said, well, he's too small to be a great runner. 267 00:20:06,280 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 1: But he was a great runner, not just outside but 268 00:20:09,320 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: inside as well. And he did one other thing that 269 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:18,400 Speaker 1: was exceptional. He was a terrific pass protector. He was small, 270 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:23,360 Speaker 1: but he knew how to go about pass protection. He 271 00:20:23,400 --> 00:20:27,960 Speaker 1: took these rushers on. They could be big people, defensive lineman, 272 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: and he would pop right up into him and jolt them. 273 00:20:33,280 --> 00:20:38,920 Speaker 1: He didn't back down, he wasn't afraid, and he knew 274 00:20:39,720 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 1: which ones to pick up. That too, takes a little 275 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:47,639 Speaker 1: bit of skill. You have to sort him out, and 276 00:20:47,800 --> 00:20:51,119 Speaker 1: he could and did so. He had everything that a 277 00:20:51,160 --> 00:20:55,720 Speaker 1: back should have. He could run the ball, he could 278 00:20:55,760 --> 00:21:01,680 Speaker 1: pass protect, he could catch the ball. And you referred 279 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: to him as tough. Well, I don't know for sure 280 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 1: sometimes exactly what tough is, but if you're talking about 281 00:21:10,720 --> 00:21:17,880 Speaker 1: it meaning a football player who did everything ask of him, 282 00:21:18,119 --> 00:21:21,520 Speaker 1: James Brooks was a game in nineteen eighty one. Your 283 00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:24,480 Speaker 1: top two draft picks were wide receivers, the sculptor David 284 00:21:24,600 --> 00:21:27,160 Speaker 1: Verser out of Kansas in round one, and then a skinny, 285 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,200 Speaker 1: gangly kid out of Florida in a round two who 286 00:21:30,240 --> 00:21:34,159 Speaker 1: turned out to be pretty darn good, Chris Collinsworth. The 287 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:39,760 Speaker 1: story on Chris goes back to when they had what 288 00:21:39,800 --> 00:21:42,560 Speaker 1: was the equivalent of the combine. In those days, it 289 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:49,119 Speaker 1: was down in Tampa. They way and major players and 290 00:21:49,280 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: work them out. They did that back then differently, but 291 00:21:53,800 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: they did it then as they do it today over 292 00:21:56,400 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis when we have the combine. Chris walked out 293 00:22:02,200 --> 00:22:07,000 Speaker 1: on the not the stage as it would be today, 294 00:22:07,080 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: but he walked out in front of the assembled scouts, 295 00:22:13,359 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 1: which were probably twenty some days in the room, looking 296 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:26,200 Speaker 1: up at the scales where the players would be weighed. 297 00:22:26,240 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: And Chris got on the scales and you could hear 298 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:33,840 Speaker 1: the snickers. And Chris understood, he knew what was going 299 00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:38,520 Speaker 1: on in their minds, and he, to his credit, laughed 300 00:22:39,200 --> 00:22:43,760 Speaker 1: and they laughed with him. I forgot what he weighed, 301 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:46,639 Speaker 1: but it certainly wasn't very much, and he was tall 302 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:51,280 Speaker 1: six four plus and just as skinny as you could 303 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: draw one up. So when it came to the draft, 304 00:22:56,359 --> 00:22:59,360 Speaker 1: we picked David Verser in the first round, who had 305 00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: all the majorables you could imagine, very fast, good size, 306 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:10,439 Speaker 1: very productive, and a player in college. And then in 307 00:23:10,520 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: the second round Linda and Fante, who was an assistant 308 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:19,239 Speaker 1: coach for us, the equivalent of the offensive coordinator, if 309 00:23:19,240 --> 00:23:22,200 Speaker 1: you will. I don't think we gave him that title. 310 00:23:22,359 --> 00:23:27,480 Speaker 1: No one had titles back in those days. He argued 311 00:23:27,520 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: for Chris and my father, who could say yay or 312 00:23:31,320 --> 00:23:34,440 Speaker 1: nay on the draft as to which player we took 313 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:40,000 Speaker 1: or didn't take. He kept hearing Lindy when we were 314 00:23:40,000 --> 00:23:43,080 Speaker 1: in the first round, and then in the second round. 315 00:23:43,080 --> 00:23:46,040 Speaker 1: He didn't give up. He still went on and my 316 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,920 Speaker 1: father said, all will take him too. We doubled up 317 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:53,400 Speaker 1: on receivers. And what a good thing it was for 318 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: us that we did. When Chris came on a recall, 319 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: being out a Spinney field our practice site and watching 320 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 1: and you knew immediately you had a special player. He 321 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:12,720 Speaker 1: was for a big guy, tall guy quick. He could 322 00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: move side sideways quickly, and he had acceleration, he had 323 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:23,760 Speaker 1: top end speed, he could catch everything, and he seemed 324 00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:27,919 Speaker 1: to have his wits about him all the time. You 325 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:32,399 Speaker 1: knew right away that you had a special player. And 326 00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:37,399 Speaker 1: occasionally you you have that experience. You drafted guy, he 327 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: comes in and you just know you have one, and 328 00:24:41,440 --> 00:24:44,120 Speaker 1: when you get the good ones, that's what makes your 329 00:24:44,119 --> 00:24:50,960 Speaker 1: team special. And he was one of those. A great receiver. 330 00:24:52,280 --> 00:24:56,159 Speaker 1: He played the role of country bumpkin early in his career, 331 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: but went on to get a law degree. It's had 332 00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: a great broadcasting career. He's the honor of Pro Football Focus. 333 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: Obviously a guy that's had a tremendous career after football. Yes, 334 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:12,359 Speaker 1: he's been very successful in his endeavors after football. I 335 00:25:12,840 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 1: remember what you were referring to Country Bumpkin. He put 336 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 1: on an act if you will, that the ah shucks, 337 00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 1: poor country boy me. How could you expect me to 338 00:25:26,840 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: know anything? And that's when he was being interviewed by 339 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:36,400 Speaker 1: the media. But he wasn't that way with the guys 340 00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,480 Speaker 1: or anybody else. That was just something that he tried 341 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:43,359 Speaker 1: out for a while and to his credit, discarded not 342 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: soon enough and became his real self, which is all 343 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: you would need to be very successful in a media career. 344 00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: And just look at the success he's had. You know 345 00:25:55,640 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 1: you're great. If you forced the league to change the 346 00:25:58,359 --> 00:26:02,120 Speaker 1: rules and wide receiver is Curtis was getting mugged so 347 00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:05,240 Speaker 1: badly by defensive backs that your father convinced the league 348 00:26:05,280 --> 00:26:08,679 Speaker 1: to pass a role only allowing contact for the first 349 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,960 Speaker 1: five yards from the line of scrimmage. So they say, now, 350 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 1: the reality of that one is that the offense in 351 00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 1: the National Football League had ground down. The defense had 352 00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:29,080 Speaker 1: come to dominate, and back in those days you had 353 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,480 Speaker 1: to pass protect with your hands against your chest, and 354 00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:41,399 Speaker 1: you had to run patterns against cornerbacks who could bump you, 355 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:46,639 Speaker 1: push you, cut you, shove you all over the field. Well, 356 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:51,400 Speaker 1: that made it hard to throw the ball. And there 357 00:26:51,520 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 1: came the time when finally my father who was on 358 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: the competition committee, Don Shula Tex Sram they were on 359 00:26:59,280 --> 00:27:03,959 Speaker 1: the competition committee, and they met about the predicament the 360 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:07,400 Speaker 1: league had found itself in, and they came up with 361 00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:11,320 Speaker 1: the changes in the rules which allowed the use of 362 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:18,160 Speaker 1: the hands to some degree on past protection and limited 363 00:27:19,040 --> 00:27:23,359 Speaker 1: bumping a receiver to five yards down field. Well, that 364 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:27,480 Speaker 1: opened the game up. For most of his career, Isaac 365 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:31,040 Speaker 1: played under the old rules. Just at the end, when 366 00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:36,240 Speaker 1: he was probably at the downside of his career, he 367 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 1: had the benefit of the new rules. But if he 368 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:44,119 Speaker 1: had had the benefit earlier, I think he would have 369 00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: rewritten the record book, not just the Bengals, but the 370 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: National Football League record book. He was a splendid white out. 371 00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:57,640 Speaker 1: He had a great, great speed. He was fast enough 372 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: to try out for the Olympics, and he was close 373 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:06,119 Speaker 1: to making it. He had great hands, and I told 374 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:10,000 Speaker 1: the story maybe you've heard it, where he went down 375 00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,560 Speaker 1: on the sideline against Cleveland on a go pattern and 376 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:17,119 Speaker 1: he was on the right side and reached up with 377 00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: his outside arm his right arm and just pulled the 378 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 1: ball in with one hand in stride and ran away 379 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:28,160 Speaker 1: from the cornerback. And later in the game he did 380 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: the same thing on the other side with his left 381 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:36,200 Speaker 1: hand and just two one handed catches that kept him 382 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: right in stride. And I've never seen anything like that since, 383 00:28:43,200 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 1: let alone see it twice by one player in the 384 00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 1: same game. I remember we played Houston one time we 385 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: had to win to get in the playoffs, and he 386 00:28:55,120 --> 00:29:00,680 Speaker 1: caught a ball with Hurdley. It was like soccer extra time. 387 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,400 Speaker 1: I mean the clock was gone and he caught the 388 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:06,920 Speaker 1: ball and it ran through about their whole team for 389 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: fifty yard touched score and it was a great, great 390 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:19,800 Speaker 1: critical play for us. He was a top receiver. Many 391 00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:25,080 Speaker 1: people would say he was the Bengals all time top receiver, 392 00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: and I wouldn't argue with him. We are reminiscing about 393 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 1: the Bengals Ring of Honor candidates with President Mike Brown. 394 00:29:32,360 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: The team's all time leading rushers, Corey Dillon, who ran 395 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:38,600 Speaker 1: Angry for seven years in Cincinnati and had two of 396 00:29:38,640 --> 00:29:41,040 Speaker 1: the best games of all time two hundred and forty 397 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,360 Speaker 1: six yards as a rookie and then two seventy eight 398 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,760 Speaker 1: against the Broncos in two thousand, an NFL single game 399 00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: record at the time. I remember that game. They couldn't 400 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,920 Speaker 1: stop us, and Corey just ran right over top of him. 401 00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: It was so bad that the next week they their 402 00:30:00,680 --> 00:30:08,040 Speaker 1: defensive coordinator. I thought that was somewhat unfair. Corey was 403 00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:13,320 Speaker 1: power back, and when you first saw him, what you 404 00:30:13,360 --> 00:30:17,160 Speaker 1: saw was a guy that ran heavy. He was a 405 00:30:17,160 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty pound guy, and when he ran 406 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,960 Speaker 1: he had balance. He seemed to sink into the ground 407 00:30:26,560 --> 00:30:29,400 Speaker 1: as he ran. You hit him and you were hitting 408 00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: a stump. He had the ability to run inside, the 409 00:30:35,240 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 1: ability to run outside, and you say angry. I don't 410 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 1: know if that's exactly the right word, but determined, There's 411 00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:49,560 Speaker 1: no question about that. And he did have emotion. He 412 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:55,920 Speaker 1: carried it with him. He was our top runner of 413 00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:00,720 Speaker 1: all time, and unfortunately we couldn't hang on to him. 414 00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:04,680 Speaker 1: We couldn't manage hims. At the end, he got out 415 00:31:04,680 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: of sorts about what I don't even remember, but we 416 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 1: couldn't keep him content, so we felt obligated to trade him. 417 00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: We traded him up to a Belichick in New England, 418 00:31:17,200 --> 00:31:21,840 Speaker 1: and for them, he took the Patriots to two Super Bowls. 419 00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,760 Speaker 1: So he did it here, he did it there. He 420 00:31:25,800 --> 00:31:29,640 Speaker 1: could do it period wherever he was. And yes, a 421 00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:34,240 Speaker 1: top player, a great player. I remember you describing observing him. 422 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,800 Speaker 1: I think it was at Spinnyfield early in his Bengal's tenure, 423 00:31:37,880 --> 00:31:42,200 Speaker 1: and it was like the earth moved when he got going. Oh. 424 00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: I remember being on the sideline and he ran by 425 00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:52,040 Speaker 1: after he had caught a ball out wide, and he 426 00:31:52,280 --> 00:31:56,960 Speaker 1: was close to me, and as he ran by, I 427 00:31:57,160 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 1: honestly felt the ground shake underfoot, and that registered with me. 428 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,120 Speaker 1: I've never had that experience with another back, but you 429 00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:14,040 Speaker 1: wouldn't have wanted to detected him if you were a cornerback. 430 00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:18,440 Speaker 1: I can guarantee you that two quarterbacks have been named 431 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 1: MVP while leading the Bengals to the Super Bowl. We 432 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:24,280 Speaker 1: talked about Ken Anderson earlier. Now we get to Boomer 433 00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: Assias and one of the most charismatic leaders in team history. 434 00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 1: Boomer was a lively personality. My first experience with that 435 00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:40,520 Speaker 1: is when I went up to Maryland where he played 436 00:32:40,560 --> 00:32:44,840 Speaker 1: college football. A friend of mine, Jack Schiff, and we 437 00:32:45,000 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 1: drove up there to watch him, and this was a 438 00:32:49,040 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 1: scouting trip, I guess. Anyway, We're sitting in the stands 439 00:32:55,320 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: and we happened to find ourselves amongst the Maryland football 440 00:33:01,240 --> 00:33:06,440 Speaker 1: coaches wives, and the strangest thing would happen. They would 441 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:09,360 Speaker 1: talk to Boomer as though he were right in front 442 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:12,040 Speaker 1: of him. They would Boomer, why are you you know? 443 00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: It just they so that somehow they connected with him. 444 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:22,040 Speaker 1: Boomer had that ability to get the attention of people, 445 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:26,000 Speaker 1: and it came with him. He brought up here. He 446 00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: had it. When he came in that game, he injured 447 00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:35,840 Speaker 1: himself badly, hurt his shoulder. He went out of the 448 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: game and came back in the second half and then played. 449 00:33:40,080 --> 00:33:46,440 Speaker 1: He was tough. He could play under harsh conditions that 450 00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:50,920 Speaker 1: would be physical injury or that could be whatever else, 451 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:55,200 Speaker 1: but he was not deterred. The players liked it, and 452 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: he was a leader that they all respected for his 453 00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:07,120 Speaker 1: abilities as a player. But it wouldn't beyond that. He 454 00:34:07,280 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: had a way of talking to him and they acknowledged 455 00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:17,239 Speaker 1: him as the first amongst equals. If you will. They 456 00:34:17,360 --> 00:34:21,279 Speaker 1: listened to him. The thing that sent him apart as 457 00:34:21,280 --> 00:34:25,400 Speaker 1: a player was when we had Sam Whites as their 458 00:34:25,520 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: coach and our coaches came up with the no huddle offense. 459 00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 1: This was new to football back then. It had been 460 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:40,920 Speaker 1: used at the end of the halves in desperation, but 461 00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:45,120 Speaker 1: what Sam and Boomer did was use it during the 462 00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:51,960 Speaker 1: whole game, and this created substitution problems for our opponents. 463 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:56,840 Speaker 1: It was all within the rules, but it upset the 464 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:02,640 Speaker 1: coaches because they didn't know how to contain the opposing coaches, 465 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:09,480 Speaker 1: and they worked on the league office to restrict what 466 00:35:09,520 --> 00:35:15,080 Speaker 1: we were doing. That made a little less effective, but 467 00:35:15,160 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: it was still effective and we had real success with it. 468 00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,080 Speaker 1: We went to the Super Bowl with the Boomer and 469 00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,839 Speaker 1: Sam and that was part of what took us there. 470 00:35:27,040 --> 00:35:30,480 Speaker 1: Another of the game changers in franchise history was David Fulture. 471 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: You didn't see safeties that were sixty three, two hundred 472 00:35:33,600 --> 00:35:36,200 Speaker 1: and thirty eight pounds who could be used in so 473 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: many ways before him. Yeah, he was a big safety, 474 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:48,440 Speaker 1: to say the least. We Dick Laboul was our secondary 475 00:35:48,560 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: coach and he took Folture and used him in a 476 00:35:54,120 --> 00:35:57,919 Speaker 1: way that got out of David what he had to give. 477 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:02,600 Speaker 1: But that sounds as so I am describing a player 478 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: who was slow. He wasn't slow. He was just big. 479 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:10,720 Speaker 1: And when I say big at the end of his career, 480 00:36:10,760 --> 00:36:13,600 Speaker 1: I don't think I'm exaggerating when I say he was 481 00:36:13,640 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: actually at two sixty. Tell me when you last saw 482 00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,600 Speaker 1: a safety at two sixty. The way they used him, 483 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 1: the way we used him was we had him up 484 00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: closer to the line of scrimming as much as possible. 485 00:36:29,719 --> 00:36:32,200 Speaker 1: And not that he couldn't play deep. He could, but 486 00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:37,719 Speaker 1: up front he was like an extra linebacker and he 487 00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:42,160 Speaker 1: would nub him. When he hit him, they were hit 488 00:36:43,000 --> 00:36:48,240 Speaker 1: and stopped. He was an exceptional player, one of a kind. 489 00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:52,640 Speaker 1: I've never seen one quite like him before or since. 490 00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,759 Speaker 1: The Bengals all time leader in receptions, receiving yards, and 491 00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: names on the back of his uniform Chad Johnson slash 492 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:04,560 Speaker 1: Ocho Cinco. There was certainly never a dull moment in 493 00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:09,520 Speaker 1: his ten years in Cincinnati. Chad was a splendid player, 494 00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:15,040 Speaker 1: but he was even greater as a performer. He was fun. 495 00:37:15,719 --> 00:37:20,280 Speaker 1: He did things on the sideline in the end zone 496 00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:27,319 Speaker 1: during games. He made people smile and they liked it, 497 00:37:27,840 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 1: and he liked it. When they liked it, that was 498 00:37:30,960 --> 00:37:35,040 Speaker 1: fun for him too, and so he came to think 499 00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:37,760 Speaker 1: that was part of what he wanted to do. Probably 500 00:37:37,800 --> 00:37:40,840 Speaker 1: we wished he had done a little less of it. 501 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: But as a player he was excellent. He had quickness, 502 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: he could get separation. And we had Kurtson Palmer as 503 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: our quarterback, and the two of them connected up on 504 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,640 Speaker 1: this We would call it a deep end pattern. About 505 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,640 Speaker 1: eighteen yards down field. He would break inside away from 506 00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,759 Speaker 1: the cornerback or hook up in case they were in 507 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:11,640 Speaker 1: his own they couldn't cover it, and he was fearless 508 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,759 Speaker 1: in there. He would catch the ball no matter what 509 00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:22,960 Speaker 1: the traffic was. He is a package, was unique. You 510 00:38:23,440 --> 00:38:27,200 Speaker 1: had tried to keep your finger on him with all 511 00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:33,480 Speaker 1: the annachs he was he's involved in, and that wasn't easy. 512 00:38:34,160 --> 00:38:39,440 Speaker 1: But as a package, you would take him every time 513 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:43,879 Speaker 1: because he could win games. Were there times in situations 514 00:38:43,880 --> 00:38:48,279 Speaker 1: where you didn't want to laugh, but you couldn't help yourself. Oh, 515 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:59,120 Speaker 1: there were times that I remember dimly the Oh he 516 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,160 Speaker 1: would be in the sideline and I don't know, he 517 00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: would suddenly be kneeling and proposing to somebody. Or doing 518 00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:12,680 Speaker 1: some an He had a whole list of these things 519 00:39:12,680 --> 00:39:19,040 Speaker 1: that he worked on beforehand, and they were can but 520 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:23,880 Speaker 1: you couldn't help but laugh when you saw them. They 521 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:27,239 Speaker 1: were better earlier than they were later, as they were 522 00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: on at least for me. But I admit that he 523 00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:43,320 Speaker 1: was a entertaining player beyond his football abilities. A tenth 524 00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: round draft pick in nineteen eighty three, became one of 525 00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:48,399 Speaker 1: the best defensive players in franchise history, a guy who 526 00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:52,200 Speaker 1: led the team in tackles five times as a nose guard, 527 00:39:52,360 --> 00:39:57,080 Speaker 1: which is unheard of. Tim Cromry. Yeah, Timmy came to 528 00:39:57,160 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: us out of Wisconsin. He wasn't anything that we thought 529 00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:07,480 Speaker 1: much about when he came. He was off size small 530 00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,319 Speaker 1: for a defensive tackle when they went home. This was 531 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:14,759 Speaker 1: after the draft. He came when they went home. We 532 00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,719 Speaker 1: had to get together with the players. Later. We brought 533 00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:22,680 Speaker 1: him in for some work and we didn't even bother 534 00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:25,840 Speaker 1: to tell him to come because we didn't think he 535 00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:30,280 Speaker 1: could do anything much. But he came anyway, which showed 536 00:40:30,280 --> 00:40:33,759 Speaker 1: you how he saw the world, and he was dead right. 537 00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:37,759 Speaker 1: He could do a whole heck of a lot. He 538 00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: became a great player, and he had tremendous competitiveness. He 539 00:40:47,000 --> 00:40:51,719 Speaker 1: just would compete until he dropped. He had no give 540 00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:55,040 Speaker 1: in him. He was a high school wrestler, college wrestler, 541 00:40:55,960 --> 00:41:00,480 Speaker 1: and that showed. I've always respected the kids plays who 542 00:41:00,480 --> 00:41:04,440 Speaker 1: were wrestlers, because in my book, that's the toughest sport. 543 00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:09,759 Speaker 1: Of all those guys, they can't quit because if they 544 00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:13,120 Speaker 1: get quit, they just get demolished. They learned not to. 545 00:41:13,719 --> 00:41:16,200 Speaker 1: Timmy was that way. He didn't have any quit in him. 546 00:41:17,120 --> 00:41:20,960 Speaker 1: And I remember, of course, in the Super Bowl game 547 00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,759 Speaker 1: done in Miami when he broke his leg, and that 548 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:28,399 Speaker 1: was a tragedy for him and us both. Without him, 549 00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,760 Speaker 1: we weren't quite the same defensively, and if he hadn't 550 00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:36,320 Speaker 1: been hurt, we would have had a better chance in 551 00:41:36,440 --> 00:41:40,480 Speaker 1: that game. My broadcast partner, Dave Lapham, was smart enough 552 00:41:40,520 --> 00:41:43,320 Speaker 1: off the field to get admitted into Harvard although he 553 00:41:43,440 --> 00:41:46,239 Speaker 1: chose Syracuse, and smart enough on the field to play 554 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:50,000 Speaker 1: all five offensive line spots in the same game multiple times. 555 00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,680 Speaker 1: Dave was smart enough knowing questions that, but that's never 556 00:41:56,920 --> 00:42:00,799 Speaker 1: what stood out about him in my mind. He went 557 00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,960 Speaker 1: beyond that. He was built like a football player. The 558 00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,160 Speaker 1: first time I ever saw him, he was in his 559 00:42:06,280 --> 00:42:10,520 Speaker 1: shorts and a training table at the Blue Gray Game 560 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:14,480 Speaker 1: down in Alabama, and Jeez, I looked at him and 561 00:42:14,680 --> 00:42:17,440 Speaker 1: I said, this guy, he's built like they're supposed to be, 562 00:42:17,680 --> 00:42:23,960 Speaker 1: big go over. He was an excellent player and he 563 00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:31,160 Speaker 1: could play anywhere you needed him. But it went beyond that. 564 00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:38,359 Speaker 1: He has become someone tied to the Bengals in his 565 00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:41,640 Speaker 1: own special way. He was a player for us, and 566 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:47,839 Speaker 1: later he was an announcer for us. He can tell 567 00:42:47,960 --> 00:42:50,720 Speaker 1: our story. He's been around here close on to fifty 568 00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:55,719 Speaker 1: years as a player and as an announcer. He knows 569 00:42:56,400 --> 00:43:00,640 Speaker 1: all the guys that were here from the beginning and 570 00:43:01,080 --> 00:43:06,400 Speaker 1: he can tell about them. He's a good storyteller. You know, 571 00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:09,000 Speaker 1: this doesn't have much to do with being in the 572 00:43:09,080 --> 00:43:13,399 Speaker 1: Ring of Honor, but as a personality, you like being 573 00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:19,440 Speaker 1: around him. He's fun and that isn't something unique with me. 574 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:23,120 Speaker 1: Everyone feels that way. They gravitate towards him because he 575 00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:30,440 Speaker 1: just makes the occasion happier. I'm glad he's in this list. 576 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,480 Speaker 1: He's deserving. I could not agree with you more. Lap 577 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:36,880 Speaker 1: was the starting left guard on the nineteen eighty one 578 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 1: Super Bowl team, the starting right guard in both Super Bowls. 579 00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:44,239 Speaker 1: As a matter of fact, was Max Montoya, probably the 580 00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:49,000 Speaker 1: greatest guard in franchise history. He was a great player. 581 00:43:50,440 --> 00:43:54,440 Speaker 1: Max had a cherubic face. You would have thought he 582 00:43:54,520 --> 00:44:00,759 Speaker 1: was innocent as a lamb, but he had a dark 583 00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:05,160 Speaker 1: heart as a football player. He showed no mercy. He 584 00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:10,680 Speaker 1: was he was rough, and he could dish it out. 585 00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,120 Speaker 1: He could take it when he was on the field, 586 00:44:14,160 --> 00:44:17,839 Speaker 1: there was no quarter given or asked. But for us 587 00:44:19,520 --> 00:44:23,160 Speaker 1: he was with a great group of offensive lineman that 588 00:44:23,680 --> 00:44:27,879 Speaker 1: that group that he was a member of was my 589 00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:32,960 Speaker 1: favorite of all time for us. And Max could not 590 00:44:33,040 --> 00:44:36,360 Speaker 1: only block straight ahead, he could pull and run to 591 00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:40,480 Speaker 1: the outside where he was very effective, probably the best 592 00:44:40,880 --> 00:44:46,200 Speaker 1: pulling guard we ever had. I have a high regard 593 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:50,560 Speaker 1: for Max. He's done well with his life after football, 594 00:44:51,400 --> 00:44:55,280 Speaker 1: and I respect him. I respect him as a player 595 00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:58,280 Speaker 1: and as a man. One of the many great nicknames 596 00:44:58,280 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: in team history is Leaping Law Lamar, for Lamar Parish, 597 00:45:01,800 --> 00:45:05,719 Speaker 1: who scored thirteen touchdowns on returns and recoveries and set 598 00:45:05,719 --> 00:45:09,400 Speaker 1: a team record by averaging nearly nineteen yards per punt 599 00:45:09,400 --> 00:45:18,120 Speaker 1: return in nineteen seventy four. Lamar deserves more people remembering 600 00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 1: him than do I. Don't know why. That's so. During 601 00:45:22,280 --> 00:45:24,480 Speaker 1: his time here I think was about seven years he 602 00:45:24,560 --> 00:45:31,319 Speaker 1: played for US. He was the most talented cornerback we 603 00:45:31,440 --> 00:45:35,759 Speaker 1: ever had, and we've had some great cornerbacks, but he 604 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:41,640 Speaker 1: was also the best returner we ever had. And the 605 00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:45,480 Speaker 1: one story that he stood out in my mind about 606 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:51,239 Speaker 1: Lamar was when we played Washington here. They had a 607 00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:54,960 Speaker 1: good team and we had something like three yards total 608 00:45:55,040 --> 00:45:59,440 Speaker 1: offense that we didn't move the ball at all. We 609 00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:03,640 Speaker 1: won the game. We went it on returns. Lamar, on 610 00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:08,440 Speaker 1: one punt return, went into a group of players that 611 00:46:08,600 --> 00:46:12,120 Speaker 1: looked like a ball of players that he dove into 612 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:16,000 Speaker 1: and somehow he ran out the back end of all 613 00:46:16,000 --> 00:46:22,120 Speaker 1: this accumulated group of players and went on without losing 614 00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:26,640 Speaker 1: stride for a touchdown. It was a very odd looking play, 615 00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:30,960 Speaker 1: and when he came off the field, my dad said, Lamar, 616 00:46:32,200 --> 00:46:34,640 Speaker 1: how did it look when you ran inside with all 617 00:46:34,680 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: those players? Oh? He said, coach, it was dark in there. 618 00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:42,280 Speaker 1: How he explained it. And my dad loved this story, 619 00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:46,919 Speaker 1: and I loved it because he loved it. But it 620 00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:53,000 Speaker 1: was just a description about Lamar, who could do exceptional 621 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:58,880 Speaker 1: things at his position. He had exceptional, unique almost quickness, 622 00:46:59,760 --> 00:47:05,080 Speaker 1: he could cover like a blanket. The receivers didn't get 623 00:47:05,320 --> 00:47:09,680 Speaker 1: open on him, and he could play the ball we 624 00:47:09,800 --> 00:47:13,360 Speaker 1: had on the other side that Kenny was over there, 625 00:47:14,200 --> 00:47:19,680 Speaker 1: and we had two corners the equal of any team ever. 626 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,279 Speaker 1: And Ken Riley's the next player on our list. From 627 00:47:23,360 --> 00:47:26,680 Speaker 1: nineteen sixty nine to nineteen eighty three, he intercepted sixty 628 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:28,880 Speaker 1: five passes. That's the most of anybody who was not 629 00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,200 Speaker 1: in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Came to the 630 00:47:31,200 --> 00:47:34,920 Speaker 1: Bengals as a scrambling quarterback and a Rhodes Scholar candidate 631 00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:39,080 Speaker 1: in college. Well, he was smart, and he was roommates 632 00:47:39,120 --> 00:47:43,400 Speaker 1: with Lamar, and he could manage Lamar as best of 633 00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:50,040 Speaker 1: anyone could around here. Kenny came here as a quarterback 634 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:55,200 Speaker 1: and we had Greg Cook. This was before Greed got injured. 635 00:47:56,120 --> 00:48:00,959 Speaker 1: Training camp and the quarterbacks would stay and pretty much 636 00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,320 Speaker 1: watched Greg, and it was obvious who was going to 637 00:48:03,400 --> 00:48:07,440 Speaker 1: be the quarterback. Greg was the best player we ever had, 638 00:48:08,160 --> 00:48:12,600 Speaker 1: and Kenny was standing there when my dad came over 639 00:48:12,680 --> 00:48:16,280 Speaker 1: about the third day he had been in camp and 640 00:48:16,480 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: said to Kenny, you go over there, And that was 641 00:48:19,600 --> 00:48:23,080 Speaker 1: the extent of the conversation. Over there was with the 642 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:29,520 Speaker 1: defensive backs, and Kenny went and proceeded to play for US. 643 00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,520 Speaker 1: I don't know how many years, thirteen, fourteen, fifteen, whatever 644 00:48:32,520 --> 00:48:38,080 Speaker 1: it was, it was forever. He was a player with 645 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:42,719 Speaker 1: great composure. He could play the ball in the air, 646 00:48:43,000 --> 00:48:45,719 Speaker 1: all his poise, knew what was going on, was in 647 00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:50,720 Speaker 1: position as he should be on every play, and even 648 00:48:50,719 --> 00:48:56,520 Speaker 1: though he was somewhat slight and billed, he was a 649 00:48:56,560 --> 00:49:01,680 Speaker 1: firest tackler, one player. One maneuver he had that was 650 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,600 Speaker 1: his alone. I've seen other guys do it, but not 651 00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:11,680 Speaker 1: not do it as a regular routine, or they would 652 00:49:11,680 --> 00:49:15,400 Speaker 1: do it just on occasions when it happened without thinking. 653 00:49:15,480 --> 00:49:19,160 Speaker 1: Kenny do it purposefully. He would come up on these 654 00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:22,920 Speaker 1: guys who caught the ball in front of him, and 655 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:26,719 Speaker 1: as they were catching the ball looking back towards a 656 00:49:26,840 --> 00:49:29,200 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage, he'd come from behind and hit him 657 00:49:29,239 --> 00:49:32,279 Speaker 1: right under the rump and they would go for a 658 00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:38,600 Speaker 1: cart wheel in the air, literally, and not all of 659 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,560 Speaker 1: them kept the ball. When that went on, he would 660 00:49:43,960 --> 00:49:47,400 Speaker 1: dislodge the ball from them. But it was a maneuver 661 00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:51,279 Speaker 1: that was routine for him, and I've often wondered why 662 00:49:51,320 --> 00:49:55,719 Speaker 1: others didn't pick it up and do it as just 663 00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,200 Speaker 1: a regular way of play. It didn't seem to hurt anybody. 664 00:49:59,600 --> 00:50:02,040 Speaker 1: They went for a ride, but they all came down 665 00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:06,920 Speaker 1: in a heap and got right back up. It wasn't injurious. 666 00:50:07,120 --> 00:50:11,800 Speaker 1: It was just enough of a blow that it caught 667 00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:14,759 Speaker 1: their attention. It would catch your attention if you saw 668 00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,080 Speaker 1: it as well. So Kenny had the ability to be 669 00:50:18,239 --> 00:50:23,160 Speaker 1: rough and tough as well as smart. And he's so deserving. 670 00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:28,160 Speaker 1: Everyone knows that he should be in the Hall of Fame, 671 00:50:28,239 --> 00:50:32,320 Speaker 1: and why he isn't as a mystery, but certainly he'll 672 00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:36,160 Speaker 1: be an armoring of honor soon enough. Long before there 673 00:50:36,160 --> 00:50:40,160 Speaker 1: were great receiving tight ends like Tony Gonzalez and Travis Kelsey, 674 00:50:40,440 --> 00:50:43,439 Speaker 1: the Bengals helped pioneer moving the tight end all around 675 00:50:43,480 --> 00:50:46,840 Speaker 1: the formation with a twelfth round draft pick named Bob Trump. 676 00:50:46,880 --> 00:50:55,160 Speaker 1: He Trump had a storied relationship with the Bengals as 677 00:50:55,200 --> 00:51:01,440 Speaker 1: a player. As an announcer, he became a public figure 678 00:51:01,480 --> 00:51:07,759 Speaker 1: here locally as a radio call in show host. He 679 00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,799 Speaker 1: was good at that. But as a player when he 680 00:51:10,880 --> 00:51:15,279 Speaker 1: started out here, he was probably off size for where 681 00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,760 Speaker 1: we put him tight end, but he could really run 682 00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:24,520 Speaker 1: and he would take cover too. That's when they have 683 00:51:24,600 --> 00:51:26,839 Speaker 1: two safeties in the middle of the field run right 684 00:51:26,880 --> 00:51:29,840 Speaker 1: through it and they couldn't keep up with them. The 685 00:51:29,880 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: safeties couldn't keep up with them alone, let alone the linebackers. 686 00:51:35,200 --> 00:51:39,640 Speaker 1: He made big plays for us. It helped that Greg 687 00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:42,600 Speaker 1: Cook was the quarterback for him one year when Greig 688 00:51:42,760 --> 00:51:48,880 Speaker 1: was our quarterback before he got hurt, and then Kenny 689 00:51:48,920 --> 00:51:54,880 Speaker 1: Anderson came along. Bob bought the attention of other teams 690 00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:58,080 Speaker 1: that we played at. Kansas City, for example, at that time, 691 00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:03,399 Speaker 1: was the top team in the league, and they wanted 692 00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:05,879 Speaker 1: to trade for him right away after we played them, 693 00:52:06,080 --> 00:52:11,920 Speaker 1: and I always remembered how insistent they were, and that 694 00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:14,759 Speaker 1: was a no go with us. We had Bob for 695 00:52:15,480 --> 00:52:20,680 Speaker 1: a long career here as a tight end, and he 696 00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:25,759 Speaker 1: was a receiving tight end, but a willing blocker. He 697 00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:29,440 Speaker 1: would face up on guys and he wasn't afraid to 698 00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: do it. But as a receiver, he was as good 699 00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:37,160 Speaker 1: as they came at his position. Finally, a linebacker from 700 00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:40,480 Speaker 1: your alma mater, Dartmouth College, who was a Bengal starter 701 00:52:40,600 --> 00:52:46,160 Speaker 1: for fourteen years, Reggie Williams. Reggie and I both went 702 00:52:46,200 --> 00:52:49,239 Speaker 1: to Dartmouth, so when he came along up there. I 703 00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:54,520 Speaker 1: was anxious to get him for US. I knew about him, 704 00:52:55,200 --> 00:53:00,840 Speaker 1: and Dartmouth isn't so much a powerhouse as a football 705 00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,839 Speaker 1: team and Ivy League team. I think Dartmouth did win 706 00:53:03,920 --> 00:53:08,680 Speaker 1: the national championship in the twenties one time. Flad Reggie 707 00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:13,200 Speaker 1: came along much after that, and at Dartmouth today he's 708 00:53:13,239 --> 00:53:19,719 Speaker 1: considered the best player they've ever had here. He was 709 00:53:19,840 --> 00:53:28,399 Speaker 1: very athletic, very willing, very competitive and determined, and he 710 00:53:28,480 --> 00:53:32,600 Speaker 1: was a steady player for US for I think fourteen 711 00:53:32,719 --> 00:53:36,560 Speaker 1: or fifteen years, whatever it was. I played a long time, 712 00:53:37,280 --> 00:53:41,520 Speaker 1: and he was smart as well as tough. Now that 713 00:53:41,600 --> 00:53:43,680 Speaker 1: you're going forward with a ring of honor, how do 714 00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:47,319 Speaker 1: you feel about it? All the public ones that And 715 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:55,239 Speaker 1: on a personal level, my granddaughter who works for US now, Elizabeth, 716 00:53:56,239 --> 00:53:59,520 Speaker 1: she's pretty keen on what the public wants and she 717 00:53:59,680 --> 00:54:03,640 Speaker 1: told me so. So we are going to go forward 718 00:54:03,680 --> 00:54:06,279 Speaker 1: with this. I might have had thoughts about why it 719 00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:13,799 Speaker 1: might wait for a later but we're going forward and 720 00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:20,080 Speaker 1: public has reacted very well. They appreciate the fact that 721 00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:23,200 Speaker 1: we're going to have it, and the old players like it. 722 00:54:23,920 --> 00:54:27,000 Speaker 1: That's the part that has meant the most. To me. 723 00:54:27,160 --> 00:54:35,440 Speaker 1: They really perked up their ears when this started. They 724 00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:40,520 Speaker 1: want to be involved with it. It's something that gets 725 00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:45,799 Speaker 1: their interest, so we'll try to do it right. I 726 00:54:45,880 --> 00:54:49,640 Speaker 1: think it'll be well received. We're going to make it 727 00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:52,640 Speaker 1: a process that goes on for a number of years, 728 00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:56,000 Speaker 1: and we're gratually going to build up the players who 729 00:54:56,000 --> 00:55:00,719 Speaker 1: are included as the years go on. But it'll be 730 00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:04,319 Speaker 1: fun as we go through it, no question about it. 731 00:55:04,440 --> 00:55:06,839 Speaker 1: This has been a treat for me. I really appreciate 732 00:55:06,880 --> 00:55:10,040 Speaker 1: your time. Thank you very much. We'll enjoy doing it too. 733 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,320 Speaker 1: Thanks to Mike Brown, and if you're a season ticket member, 734 00:55:14,360 --> 00:55:18,360 Speaker 1: perhaps Mike's memories will impact your vote. Once again, it 735 00:55:18,440 --> 00:55:22,200 Speaker 1: gets underway on Monday morning at nine am. That's going 736 00:55:22,239 --> 00:55:24,560 Speaker 1: to do it for this episode of the Bengals Booth Podcast, 737 00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,880 Speaker 1: brought to you by bud Light Seltzer. Refresh the game. 738 00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:30,960 Speaker 1: If you haven't done so already, please subscribe and if 739 00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:32,959 Speaker 1: you have a minute, give it a rating or share 740 00:55:33,000 --> 00:55:37,080 Speaker 1: a comment that helps more Bengals fans find this podcast. 741 00:55:37,520 --> 00:55:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm Dan Horde and thank you for listening to The 742 00:55:40,200 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: Bengals Booth Podcast.