WEBVTT - Death & Deceit in Alliance | 6. The Witness 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:02.800 Previously on death and deceit in Alliance. 0:00:03.120 --> 0:00:06.240 To me, from what I understand of the case, stuff 0:00:06.360 --> 0:00:07.440 just didn't make sense. 0:00:07.840 --> 0:00:09.800 The guy I knew they came into the post office 0:00:09.800 --> 0:00:12.000 that drew up his hand away and grinned all the time, 0:00:12.039 --> 0:00:15.320 and he was the nicest guy ever. I thought, no, 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:16.479 this can't be. 0:00:16.960 --> 0:00:18.599 He said that they put him in a room and 0:00:18.600 --> 0:00:20.759 they changed him to the wall by his arm and 0:00:20.880 --> 0:00:23.240 spit on him, and they told him that they wanted 0:00:23.320 --> 0:00:24.440 him to confess. 0:00:24.800 --> 0:00:29.200 Red Turby, a nationally non criminal forensics expert, pipped apart 0:00:29.320 --> 0:00:32.479 what he calls a botched cake simpthing's missing. 0:00:33.200 --> 0:00:34.040 I can't understand. 0:00:34.080 --> 0:00:35.400 There's got to be more. 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.000 He could have paid off his entire eighteen years of 0:00:38.080 --> 0:00:40.919 child support with a check. Why didn't the prosecution turn 0:00:41.000 --> 0:00:43.519 this over on? What is going on here? So it 0:00:43.560 --> 0:00:45.720 makes you feel like there's more to the story. 0:00:51.360 --> 0:00:54.440 This is death and deceit and alliance. A real time 0:00:54.560 --> 0:01:00.800 investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane Maggie Freeling 0:01:08.120 --> 0:01:10.959 On the morning of April first, nineteen ninety nine. Before 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:14.400 the lifeless body of yvon Lane was found, a neighbor 0:01:14.680 --> 0:01:18.000 was walking by nine to sixteen Divine Street. Twenty year 0:01:18.000 --> 0:01:20.880 old George Hale said he was walking to McDonald's around 0:01:20.959 --> 0:01:24.440 nine thirty ten am when he heard puppies barking from 0:01:24.520 --> 0:01:25.280 Yvonne's home. 0:01:25.720 --> 0:01:28.520 So I just glanced over therecause I heard a budget. 0:01:28.360 --> 0:01:32.399 Puppies and out comes this guy. 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:35.440 A guy came out with a trash bag. That's all 0:01:35.520 --> 0:01:38.800 I see. You just glance, yeah, thank you that track. 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:42.840 So remember the puppies were outside on the balcony. George 0:01:42.840 --> 0:01:44.760 described the man he saw leaving the house with a 0:01:44.800 --> 0:01:47.319 trash bag as being in his mid to late twenties, 0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:51.000 about one hundred and eighty pounds and about five foot nine, 0:01:51.080 --> 0:01:54.480 wearing a T shirt and blue jeans, with medium length hair. 0:01:54.640 --> 0:01:56.520 And you hear the puppies crying. You look over and 0:01:56.880 --> 0:01:59.200 look over and you see this guy caught on which door? 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:00.640 Do you remember which was? 0:02:00.800 --> 0:02:04.800 This is a private investigator for David Thorne interviewing George Hale. 0:02:05.120 --> 0:02:12.119 It was a bottom door, and I was like, it's 0:02:12.160 --> 0:02:14.520 like a porch or something that comes over the door 0:02:14.560 --> 0:02:15.040 a little bit. 0:02:15.160 --> 0:02:17.880 Yeah, like a diact or something came out of the 0:02:17.880 --> 0:02:20.679 bottom down there right underneath that. That death. 0:02:22.280 --> 0:02:25.600 Now this is significant because it's an eyewitness account of 0:02:25.639 --> 0:02:30.000 a person leaving the crime scene just hours before Yvon's 0:02:30.040 --> 0:02:33.880 body was found, yet hours after she was believed to 0:02:33.960 --> 0:02:38.560 have been killed. George said that he again walked by 0:02:38.639 --> 0:02:41.000 Yvon's house later in the day at five to ten 0:02:41.080 --> 0:02:44.200 pm and saw police there. That's when he said he 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:47.880 realized a crime was being investigated, so he waved over 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:50.920 some officers and gave a statement right then about the 0:02:50.919 --> 0:02:54.400 person he saw leaving the house. The next day, the 0:02:54.480 --> 0:02:56.359 police asked him to the station. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:02:59.919 He launches the books of them. 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:03.200 But they took you down to the department and yeah, 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:09.200 it was that next day they did that, Yeah, next day. 0:03:06.560 --> 0:03:10.680 Okay, Yeah, they look through books of pictures. Did they 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:12.440 show you any pictures in particular? 0:03:14.320 --> 0:03:18.760 Just ohos you know, just out of this big each book. 0:03:19.240 --> 0:03:21.880 So just like TV until you see if you yeah, 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:23.679 because you did you feel. 0:03:23.480 --> 0:03:26.160 At that point that you would have recognized I would. 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:31.080 I was lucky. I see a set Okay, I saw 0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.720 huh that I thought I saw came out of the house. Okay. 0:03:34.960 --> 0:03:37.640 So in other words, you thought you could have recognized 0:03:37.760 --> 0:03:39.720 yeah something, if you'd have seen this picture, you would 0:03:39.720 --> 0:03:41.680 have remembered because it was real fresh in your mind 0:03:41.760 --> 0:03:42.960 that it was that guy. 0:03:43.160 --> 0:03:45.440 He said he did not see the man he spotted 0:03:45.480 --> 0:03:48.680 outside of Yvonne's building in the photo book. It's unclear 0:03:48.880 --> 0:03:51.800 whose mugshots were shown to him, and that's because the 0:03:51.840 --> 0:03:55.040 police made no records that were aware of of their 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:59.560 interview with George Hale. In fact, George Hale's name never 0:03:59.760 --> 0:04:03.360 came up at trial or in any of the documents 0:04:03.400 --> 0:04:07.240 that police and prosecutors gave to David's defense team. 0:04:12.840 --> 0:04:15.720 This man was in a house with a dead body 0:04:16.279 --> 0:04:20.120 and was either cleaning up for the killer or was 0:04:20.160 --> 0:04:24.479 the killer. It's very suspicious. This was like a paragraph 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.000 and a police report that was not turned over. 0:04:27.400 --> 0:04:30.440 This is Beth Carris. She's a legal analyst and former 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:33.960 assistant DA in Manhattan, and if her voice sounds familiar, 0:04:34.120 --> 0:04:37.200 you probably recognize her from TV. She was with Court 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:42.320 TV for nineteen years, covering cases including OJ Simpson, Scott Peterson, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:46.000 and Casey Anthony. Beth came across David's case a few 0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:49.440 years ago when Dwayne Pullman, the local reporter and TV 0:04:49.520 --> 0:04:53.360 news anchor and Ohio, reached out to a friend of hers. 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:58.640 And so my friend said, look, you know my Ohio friend, 0:04:58.760 --> 0:05:03.599 reporter says, there's a here. This guy's you know, didn't 0:05:03.600 --> 0:05:08.360 do it. He's locked up. And the side story, which 0:05:08.400 --> 0:05:10.440 we kind of wanted to get into it as the 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:15.159 focus was the woman who would marry David Sue Gless. 0:05:15.160 --> 0:05:18.320 She's a lovely person. I got to know her, visited 0:05:18.360 --> 0:05:21.320 with her. We still are in contact. 0:05:21.000 --> 0:05:24.120 And that's how I met Beth through Sue, David's wife. 0:05:24.440 --> 0:05:26.440 Of course, I had known of and seen Beth on 0:05:26.480 --> 0:05:29.479 TV for years, so speaking with her for this was 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:32.640 pretty cool. Beth Hatt spent a ton of time looking 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.600 into David's case with her friend for a potential TV show. 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:39.480 You know, I visited David and Joe Welts in two 0:05:39.480 --> 0:05:43.680 different prisons, and then I had extensive phone calls with 0:05:43.800 --> 0:05:46.680 both of them. We did go to the courthouse. We 0:05:46.760 --> 0:05:49.559 did get to look at all the evidence. They pulled 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:50.960 out all the evidence for us. 0:05:51.240 --> 0:05:54.799 Unfortunately, the show fell through. But Beth had already done 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:57.960 so much legwork, so she's a wealth of information on 0:05:58.000 --> 0:06:00.720 the case. Plus I was interested did to hear her 0:06:00.760 --> 0:06:02.800 perspective as a former prosecutor. 0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:05.479 I read a lot of transcripts, and I was reading 0:06:05.480 --> 0:06:08.120 the trial transcript and you got to understand that when 0:06:08.120 --> 0:06:14.240 you have my background as a prosecutor, that police and 0:06:14.320 --> 0:06:18.560 prosecutors are not in the business of arresting and trying 0:06:18.640 --> 0:06:23.200 innocent people. Yes, it happens, but the vast majority of 0:06:23.279 --> 0:06:26.320 people who go through the system, they're guilty. Okay. 0:06:30.600 --> 0:06:33.599 Beth said she started with the assumption that the prosecutors 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.280 got it right. She went through the entire trial and 0:06:36.320 --> 0:06:39.679 flagged a lot of the same things I did, things 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:43.719 that just didn't make sense to either of us. 0:06:44.160 --> 0:06:47.520 The most crucial piece that jumped out at me was 0:06:47.720 --> 0:06:54.120 what came out post conviction, and that's when the defense 0:06:54.400 --> 0:06:59.280 got one of the police reports that was prepared close 0:06:59.360 --> 0:07:03.679 in time to the murder that was based on notes 0:07:03.720 --> 0:07:06.160 taken by a comp at the scene. 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:08.840 This was the police note that was taken about what 0:07:08.960 --> 0:07:12.520 George Hale saw the morning Yvon's body was discovered, and 0:07:12.600 --> 0:07:16.320 it was only found after David's conviction. During his appeal, 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:21.120 David received all his files from trial, including the prosecution's file, 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:25.480 and that's when he saw the name George Hale, which 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:29.200 shouldn't have happened because the state was supposed to turn 0:07:29.240 --> 0:07:34.680 over all relevant documents or discovery before the trial, and 0:07:34.760 --> 0:07:38.560 yet it wasn't until after the conviction that anyone got 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:42.640 the report, mentioning what George Hale said he saw. 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:45.120 The fact that it was never turned over to the 0:07:45.280 --> 0:07:47.440 defense is shocking. 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:51.200 At that time, David's appeal team also believed this was 0:07:51.240 --> 0:07:54.640 a bombshell. Not only was it a due process violation, 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:58.160 which alone could win a retrial, but it seemed there 0:07:58.200 --> 0:08:02.160 was also a person of interest the police never looked at, 0:08:02.480 --> 0:08:06.960 and George Hale could potentially identify that person. So David's 0:08:06.960 --> 0:08:08.920 investigator found George Hale. 0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:10.080 It's George here. 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:11.360 My name is Mike Durkin. 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:14.120 I like to talk to me. 0:08:14.120 --> 0:08:15.320 He's not in any couple or anything. 0:08:15.760 --> 0:08:18.280 He's kind of hey, buddy, he's got a manager of 0:08:18.320 --> 0:08:21.640 truth that I talked to him. 0:08:21.640 --> 0:08:23.240 Oh that's all right, I'm kind of cold. 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:27.160 George Jrkin explains to George why he was there. 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:28.480 Now, after this. 0:08:28.520 --> 0:08:30.720 Case was all done, the family still pursuing that we 0:08:30.800 --> 0:08:32.319 got the police report. 0:08:32.679 --> 0:08:34.480 Or they mentioned they had talked to you. We never 0:08:34.520 --> 0:08:37.480 had your name. We never I can show you. 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:37.920 We never. 0:08:38.760 --> 0:08:42.560 We never knew, we never knew existed until we got 0:08:42.600 --> 0:08:44.280 a copy of this police reported you. 0:08:44.480 --> 0:08:47.240 Now you already heard some of the interview earlier, George 0:08:47.280 --> 0:08:50.559 described what he saw outside Yvonne's house the morning her 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:55.240 body was found, and the police were interested. According to George, 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.560 the police actually tried to hypnotize him in hopes of 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:01.920 jogging his memory to better describe the mystery man with 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:06.199 the trash bag, but to no avail. George also told 0:09:06.320 --> 0:09:09.600 Durkin that he had met with Sue before. Sue, David's wife, 0:09:09.640 --> 0:09:13.120 an amateur investigator, had gone over to George's house and 0:09:13.240 --> 0:09:15.040 shown him three photos. 0:09:15.240 --> 0:09:17.160 You've seen a picture she brought you a picture of 0:09:17.200 --> 0:09:23.040 David and Wels some other three of them. Three of them, 0:09:23.480 --> 0:09:25.440 and those weren't any of the guys you saw, because 0:09:25.440 --> 0:09:28.120 you would kind of remember the days that you saw, Okay. 0:09:28.320 --> 0:09:30.240 George said that the man you saw leaving the house 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:35.040 that morning was not David or Joe. For starters, George 0:09:35.040 --> 0:09:37.720 said the man was around five foot nine. Joe and 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:41.920 David are both over six feet tall. Here's Beth again, 0:09:42.880 --> 0:09:44.040 So who's this man? 0:09:44.559 --> 0:09:50.160 I mean that that is the one key part of 0:09:50.200 --> 0:09:54.000 this case that just never like never saw right with me, 0:09:54.160 --> 0:09:57.679 Like something is wrong here, something is really wrong. It 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:03.280 makes me question why that report wasn't provided to the defense, like, 0:10:03.440 --> 0:10:08.719 what's what's up with that and why it wasn't further investigated? 0:10:08.760 --> 0:10:13.200 So it makes me feel like there's more to the story. 0:10:19.400 --> 0:10:23.000 In his post conviction appeals, David's attorney questioned the two 0:10:23.080 --> 0:10:28.120 lead detectives, Samson and Mucklow, about George Hale. Here's Detective Samson, 0:10:28.520 --> 0:10:30.000 all right, this is a Lion. 0:10:29.920 --> 0:10:36.040 Police Department lineup forum or George Ale, and he was 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:40.520 given a lineup and he did not recognize anybody in 0:10:40.520 --> 0:10:40.960 the lineup. 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:43.800 Now clarify point for me, please. 0:10:44.200 --> 0:10:45.439 Lineup would have pictures on it. 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.920 Sure, what happened? 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:49.800 Where where's that document? 0:10:50.640 --> 0:10:53.439 Well, normally what we do on our lineup is we 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.240 put the lineup together and we photo copy all the 0:10:56.240 --> 0:10:59.640 pictures in the lineup. Okay, then the pictures are put 0:10:59.679 --> 0:11:02.680 back in they because we used polaroids at that time, 0:11:03.360 --> 0:11:07.680 the photographs will be put back in the booking books. 0:11:07.920 --> 0:11:11.600 But the lineup itself should have been photocopied as to 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:12.560 who was in the lineup. 0:11:13.200 --> 0:11:16.560 But there were no photocopies of the people in the lineups. 0:11:16.760 --> 0:11:18.319 Know, if it's not in records, we didn't do it. 0:11:18.880 --> 0:11:19.800 You didn't do a lineup. 0:11:20.559 --> 0:11:21.440 No, we did the lineup. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:23.079 We just didn't copy it, so you. 0:11:23.040 --> 0:11:28.720 Didn't retain any uh retaining record of very very possible. 0:11:28.840 --> 0:11:32.240 In other words, the lineup should have been documented, but 0:11:32.320 --> 0:11:37.080 if it was, that documentation disappeared and this didn't just 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:42.160 happen once. There were actually two lineups. Neither had photos 0:11:42.160 --> 0:11:46.640 of the participants, despite the fact that regulations require they 0:11:46.720 --> 0:11:50.720 be included. And the participants in these lineups, one person 0:11:50.720 --> 0:11:54.160 in particular is very interesting and we'll get to that later. 0:11:54.520 --> 0:11:57.280 They were given to the prosecutor's office for their business. 0:11:57.559 --> 0:12:00.800 They wanted the two lineups we had. We gave him 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:02.000 to the attorneys. 0:12:04.600 --> 0:12:07.640 One thing George said could be of importance was that 0:12:07.679 --> 0:12:10.480 the man he saw leaving the house walked through the 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:12.600 yard to the west. 0:12:12.120 --> 0:12:15.240 And then he think he would have run this qu Yeah, okay, 0:12:15.320 --> 0:12:16.960 so that would be to the west. I just wanted 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.120 to make sure your direction was. 0:12:18.160 --> 0:12:21.520 Right there and whose yard touched Vonn's to the west 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:26.160 side of the house. Jim, remember, Jim, was that last 0:12:26.160 --> 0:12:29.319 person we know about to see Yvonne alive. He was 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:32.360 seen at five point thirty with her smashing soda cans 0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:35.120 in her driveway. Jim said he was over there to 0:12:35.160 --> 0:12:38.040 see the puppies and then said afterwards he went on 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:41.600 a bike ride and then was at work by ten pm. Again, 0:12:41.720 --> 0:12:44.360 from what we know, the police did not follow up 0:12:44.400 --> 0:12:47.120 on Jim as a suspect. There's no record of a 0:12:47.200 --> 0:12:51.520 formal interview with him, and he never testified. And there 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:54.720 may be a reason why Jim was not followed up on. 0:12:55.480 --> 0:12:58.600 His brother in law is an Alliance police officer who 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:01.880 was at the scene the day after the murder. That 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:05.000 officer told me his only involvement in the case was 0:13:05.040 --> 0:13:09.120 peripheral and that Jim was only questioned because he lived nearby. 0:13:09.360 --> 0:13:13.720 And investigators interviewed all of Yvonne's neighbors, but the last 0:13:13.800 --> 0:13:17.000 person known to have seen Yvonne alive was the brother 0:13:17.080 --> 0:13:20.160 in law of an Alliance officer and he was never 0:13:20.480 --> 0:13:26.080 questioned in any detail. This really makes me wonder about 0:13:26.120 --> 0:13:28.960 the cops and there are other reasons. 0:13:34.120 --> 0:13:37.120 There was a former policeman that she was afraid of. 0:13:37.559 --> 0:13:41.200 Okay, this is Tanya Lane, Yvonne's mother. She said that 0:13:41.240 --> 0:13:44.600 in September nineteen ninety eight, Yvonne was stopped by the 0:13:44.600 --> 0:13:48.760 police for a traffic infraction. Officer Quintin Artists pulled yvon 0:13:48.880 --> 0:13:53.640 over for driving with a suspended license and quote fictitious plates. 0:13:54.160 --> 0:13:56.640 He took her to the station and processed her. When 0:13:56.679 --> 0:14:00.400 she left, he kept her license. In a police interview 0:14:00.400 --> 0:14:03.760 with Tanya, she recounted what Yvonne said happened next. 0:14:03.960 --> 0:14:06.360 She told me that he came in the house on 0:14:06.440 --> 0:14:09.079 the pretext of giving her her driver's license. He had 0:14:09.120 --> 0:14:11.559 your driver's license, he said he was going to give 0:14:11.559 --> 0:14:14.360 it back to her, and then he got in the 0:14:14.400 --> 0:14:18.040 house and he started taking advances and having his hands 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:21.680 all over her as what she said. And she said, then. 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.880 By the way, Officer Artists was not in uniform that day, 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:28.440 and Yvonne says she was afraid. 0:14:28.560 --> 0:14:29.800 What kind of She. 0:14:32.240 --> 0:14:33.680 Was afraid that he would come back. 0:14:34.360 --> 0:14:38.240 And Artists did come back, and he kept harassing Yvonne, 0:14:38.320 --> 0:14:42.280 according to what police were told, and Artist was no 0:14:42.520 --> 0:14:46.480 stranger to sexual harassment. One woman filed a complaint with 0:14:46.520 --> 0:14:50.320 the police, saying that when Artists was booking her, he asked, 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:52.600 I have to take your picture. Do you want to 0:14:52.640 --> 0:14:55.720 do this with or without your clothes on? He then 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:58.600 allegedly went on to inquire if her bra and panties 0:14:58.640 --> 0:15:03.080 were Matching. Also said that after this incident, Artists began 0:15:03.520 --> 0:15:06.800 stopping by her home to quote see how she was doing. 0:15:07.360 --> 0:15:11.360 There were several other similar complaints filed by women in Alliance. 0:15:12.240 --> 0:15:15.480 Artists was charged with aggravate and menacing for another incident, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.080 and he was let go from the Alliance Police Department. 0:15:18.760 --> 0:15:23.040 He's now a registered sex offender. To me, a picture 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:28.480 starts to emerge, cops circling around Yvonn behaving inappropriately and 0:15:28.480 --> 0:15:31.880 what's more, I don't see that artist was ever questioned 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:36.400 in relation to Yvonne's death. Sometimes frustrated sexual suitors can 0:15:36.480 --> 0:15:40.280 lash out, though as artist, the person George Hale saw 0:15:40.760 --> 0:15:44.000 not likely. Artist is black and the person George saw 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:47.360 is white. The size description also doesn't match. But in 0:15:47.440 --> 0:15:51.880 terms of cops behaving badly, an Alliance Artists wasn't an outlier. 0:15:52.280 --> 0:15:56.760 In fact, the Alliance Police Department has a history of corruption. 0:16:02.800 --> 0:16:06.760 In the late nineties, after a ten month audit, it 0:16:06.880 --> 0:16:10.920 was discovered that more than fourteen thousand dollars worth of 0:16:11.000 --> 0:16:14.520 money and drugs was missing from the evidence room. The 0:16:14.600 --> 0:16:18.320 audit also found that there were at least six shotguns 0:16:18.360 --> 0:16:21.800 missing from the department. The Alliance Police Chief, James Black, 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:25.240 and eight officers were found responsible for the missing money 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:30.080 and drugs, and were suspended pending the investigation. After he 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:34.760 was suspended, Chief Black allegedly threatened auditors. One auditor had 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:37.520 said in a police report that Black told the auditors 0:16:37.720 --> 0:16:40.960 that they should get out before quote it gets dark. 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:44.600 The auditor said Black made reference to the recent disappearance 0:16:44.640 --> 0:16:48.160 of a construction worker and said the chief implied this 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:52.320 might also happen to the auditors. So, according to this report, 0:16:52.480 --> 0:16:56.680 Alliance cops were capable of real violence or at least 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.600 threatening it. Going back to George Hale, we found there 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:05.440 were actually two lineups given to George. Eventually David's team 0:17:05.520 --> 0:17:08.679 managed to get photos of the participants. The second lineup, 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:13.160 George didn't id anyone, including David. But George said there 0:17:13.240 --> 0:17:16.360 was another lineup the day before, and in that one 0:17:16.920 --> 0:17:21.160 he did identify someone. But there's no record of who 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:24.560 that was, none that we or Beth or any of 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:29.320 the lawyers could find. But Duyne Pullman, the investigative TV reporter, 0:17:29.640 --> 0:17:30.840 got to the bottom of it. 0:17:31.240 --> 0:17:35.840 Did you find somebody you recognized? I did point out somebody, 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:36.560 Hale says. 0:17:36.600 --> 0:17:40.040 Detectives told him later the picture he pointed out was 0:17:40.080 --> 0:17:42.320 that of an Alliance police officer. 0:17:42.840 --> 0:17:46.159 Maybe that's why the state didn't tell David's lawyers about 0:17:46.200 --> 0:17:49.960 George Hale. Duyne Pullman asked one of the detectives on 0:17:50.040 --> 0:17:52.680 Yvonne's case, Detective Leach, about this. 0:17:53.040 --> 0:17:55.480 John Leech was a key detective in the case. 0:17:55.720 --> 0:17:57.200 Did you know who he identified? 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:03.400 No, I don't. There's a police officer that's before the investigation. 0:18:04.119 --> 0:18:06.080 The detective tried to respond. 0:18:06.160 --> 0:18:08.760 Well, like I said, I do remember it coming down 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:11.480 to the point that he was not a reliable witness. 0:18:11.640 --> 0:18:16.040 Reliable or not. George Hale never testified in the murder trial. 0:18:16.520 --> 0:18:21.080 Some cops had suspicions of their own. Detectives. Mucklow and 0:18:21.119 --> 0:18:24.879 Sampson actually went to a psychic, and it's not what 0:18:24.920 --> 0:18:27.879 the psychic said to them, but what they told the 0:18:27.880 --> 0:18:32.280 psychic about their own brothers in blue. That is truly shocking, 0:18:48.119 --> 0:18:50.160 coming up on death and deceit in alliance. 0:18:50.280 --> 0:18:52.520 I'm curious, why is you know so many cops you 0:18:52.600 --> 0:18:53.480 never asked about that. 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:54.439 I wondered about it. 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.640 She was possibly seeing a police. 0:18:58.359 --> 0:18:59.600 Officer to live in. 0:18:59.680 --> 0:19:06.080 Say he was a hot mess, anger and rage, very 0:19:06.400 --> 0:19:10.359 people scare me. He scared me, and supposedly she told 0:19:10.480 --> 0:19:14.280 linem Glaughlin's mother that the youngest child maybe this policeman's son. 0:19:14.480 --> 0:19:14.679 You know. 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:17.640 In terms of the police force, my god, I had 0:19:17.840 --> 0:19:22.240 eight or nine names of officers who were potential sexual partners. 0:19:27.840 --> 0:19:30.640 Death and Deceit in Alliance is produced and reported by 0:19:30.720 --> 0:19:35.240 me Maggie Freeling, with editorial consulting from Amber Hunt. Aaron 0:19:35.440 --> 0:19:39.800 Case is our legal researcher. Our executive producer is Steve Fishman. 0:19:40.000 --> 0:19:44.199 Our engineer and production coordinator is Austin Smith. Eric Axelrod 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:45.560 is our assistant producer.