1 00:00:00,160 --> 00:00:02,800 Speaker 1: Previously on death and deceit in Alliance. 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 2: To me, from what I understand of the case, stuff 3 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:07,440 Speaker 2: just didn't make sense. 4 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,800 Speaker 3: The guy I knew they came into the post office 5 00:00:09,800 --> 00:00:12,000 Speaker 3: that drew up his hand away and grinned all the time, 6 00:00:12,039 --> 00:00:15,320 Speaker 3: and he was the nicest guy ever. I thought, no, 7 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:16,479 Speaker 3: this can't be. 8 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,599 Speaker 4: He said that they put him in a room and 9 00:00:18,600 --> 00:00:20,759 Speaker 4: they changed him to the wall by his arm and 10 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 4: spit on him, and they told him that they wanted 11 00:00:23,320 --> 00:00:24,440 Speaker 4: him to confess. 12 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:29,200 Speaker 2: Red Turby, a nationally non criminal forensics expert, pipped apart 13 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,479 Speaker 2: what he calls a botched cake simpthing's missing. 14 00:00:33,200 --> 00:00:34,040 Speaker 3: I can't understand. 15 00:00:34,080 --> 00:00:35,400 Speaker 4: There's got to be more. 16 00:00:35,720 --> 00:00:38,000 Speaker 5: He could have paid off his entire eighteen years of 17 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 5: child support with a check. Why didn't the prosecution turn 18 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:43,519 Speaker 5: this over on? What is going on here? So it 19 00:00:43,560 --> 00:00:45,720 Speaker 5: makes you feel like there's more to the story. 20 00:00:51,360 --> 00:00:54,440 Speaker 1: This is death and deceit and alliance. A real time 21 00:00:54,560 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: investigation into whether David Thorne killed Yvonne Lane Maggie Freeling 22 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,959 Speaker 1: On the morning of April first, nineteen ninety nine. Before 23 00:01:11,000 --> 00:01:14,400 Speaker 1: the lifeless body of yvon Lane was found, a neighbor 24 00:01:14,680 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: was walking by nine to sixteen Divine Street. Twenty year 25 00:01:18,000 --> 00:01:20,880 Speaker 1: old George Hale said he was walking to McDonald's around 26 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: nine thirty ten am when he heard puppies barking from 27 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:25,280 Speaker 1: Yvonne's home. 28 00:01:25,720 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 6: So I just glanced over therecause I heard a budget. 29 00:01:28,360 --> 00:01:32,399 Speaker 3: Puppies and out comes this guy. 30 00:01:32,760 --> 00:01:35,440 Speaker 6: A guy came out with a trash bag. That's all 31 00:01:35,520 --> 00:01:38,800 Speaker 6: I see. You just glance, yeah, thank you that track. 32 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,840 Speaker 1: So remember the puppies were outside on the balcony. George 33 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:44,760 Speaker 1: described the man he saw leaving the house with a 34 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:47,319 Speaker 1: trash bag as being in his mid to late twenties, 35 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:51,000 Speaker 1: about one hundred and eighty pounds and about five foot nine, 36 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: wearing a T shirt and blue jeans, with medium length hair. 37 00:01:54,640 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 3: And you hear the puppies crying. You look over and 38 00:01:56,880 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 3: look over and you see this guy caught on which door? 39 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 3: Do you remember which was? 40 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: This is a private investigator for David Thorne interviewing George Hale. 41 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:12,119 Speaker 7: It was a bottom door, and I was like, it's 42 00:02:12,160 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 7: like a porch or something that comes over the door 43 00:02:14,560 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 7: a little bit. 44 00:02:15,160 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 6: Yeah, like a diact or something came out of the 45 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:20,679 Speaker 6: bottom down there right underneath that. That death. 46 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: Now this is significant because it's an eyewitness account of 47 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:30,000 Speaker 1: a person leaving the crime scene just hours before Yvon's 48 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: body was found, yet hours after she was believed to 49 00:02:33,960 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: have been killed. George said that he again walked by 50 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,000 Speaker 1: Yvon's house later in the day at five to ten 51 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:44,200 Speaker 1: pm and saw police there. That's when he said he 52 00:02:44,320 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: realized a crime was being investigated, so he waved over 53 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:50,920 Speaker 1: some officers and gave a statement right then about the 54 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:54,400 Speaker 1: person he saw leaving the house. The next day, the 55 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:56,359 Speaker 1: police asked him to the station. 56 00:02:57,000 --> 00:02:59,919 Speaker 6: He launches the books of them. 57 00:03:00,520 --> 00:03:03,200 Speaker 7: But they took you down to the department and yeah, 58 00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:09,200 Speaker 7: it was that next day they did that, Yeah, next day. 59 00:03:06,560 --> 00:03:10,680 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, they look through books of pictures. Did they 60 00:03:10,680 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 3: show you any pictures in particular? 61 00:03:14,320 --> 00:03:18,760 Speaker 6: Just ohos you know, just out of this big each book. 62 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 7: So just like TV until you see if you yeah, 63 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:23,679 Speaker 7: because you did you feel. 64 00:03:23,480 --> 00:03:26,160 Speaker 3: At that point that you would have recognized I would. 65 00:03:26,200 --> 00:03:31,080 Speaker 6: I was lucky. I see a set Okay, I saw 66 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,720 Speaker 6: huh that I thought I saw came out of the house. Okay. 67 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:37,640 Speaker 7: So in other words, you thought you could have recognized 68 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 7: yeah something, if you'd have seen this picture, you would 69 00:03:39,720 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 7: have remembered because it was real fresh in your mind 70 00:03:41,760 --> 00:03:42,960 Speaker 7: that it was that guy. 71 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,440 Speaker 1: He said he did not see the man he spotted 72 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: outside of Yvonne's building in the photo book. It's unclear 73 00:03:48,880 --> 00:03:51,800 Speaker 1: whose mugshots were shown to him, and that's because the 74 00:03:51,840 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: police made no records that were aware of of their 75 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: interview with George Hale. In fact, George Hale's name never 76 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:03,360 Speaker 1: came up at trial or in any of the documents 77 00:04:03,400 --> 00:04:07,240 Speaker 1: that police and prosecutors gave to David's defense team. 78 00:04:12,840 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 5: This man was in a house with a dead body 79 00:04:16,279 --> 00:04:20,120 Speaker 5: and was either cleaning up for the killer or was 80 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:24,479 Speaker 5: the killer. It's very suspicious. This was like a paragraph 81 00:04:24,480 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 5: and a police report that was not turned over. 82 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,440 Speaker 1: This is Beth Carris. She's a legal analyst and former 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:33,960 Speaker 1: assistant DA in Manhattan, and if her voice sounds familiar, 84 00:04:34,120 --> 00:04:37,200 Speaker 1: you probably recognize her from TV. She was with Court 85 00:04:37,240 --> 00:04:42,320 Speaker 1: TV for nineteen years, covering cases including OJ Simpson, Scott Peterson, 86 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:46,000 Speaker 1: and Casey Anthony. Beth came across David's case a few 87 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 1: years ago when Dwayne Pullman, the local reporter and TV 88 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:53,360 Speaker 1: news anchor and Ohio, reached out to a friend of hers. 89 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 5: And so my friend said, look, you know my Ohio friend, 90 00:04:58,760 --> 00:05:03,599 Speaker 5: reporter says, there's a here. This guy's you know, didn't 91 00:05:03,600 --> 00:05:08,360 Speaker 5: do it. He's locked up. And the side story, which 92 00:05:08,400 --> 00:05:10,440 Speaker 5: we kind of wanted to get into it as the 93 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 5: focus was the woman who would marry David Sue Gless. 94 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 5: She's a lovely person. I got to know her, visited 95 00:05:18,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 5: with her. We still are in contact. 96 00:05:21,000 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: And that's how I met Beth through Sue, David's wife. 97 00:05:24,440 --> 00:05:26,440 Speaker 1: Of course, I had known of and seen Beth on 98 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:29,479 Speaker 1: TV for years, so speaking with her for this was 99 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: pretty cool. Beth Hatt spent a ton of time looking 100 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:35,600 Speaker 1: into David's case with her friend for a potential TV show. 101 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:39,480 Speaker 5: You know, I visited David and Joe Welts in two 102 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 5: different prisons, and then I had extensive phone calls with 103 00:05:43,800 --> 00:05:46,680 Speaker 5: both of them. We did go to the courthouse. We 104 00:05:46,760 --> 00:05:49,559 Speaker 5: did get to look at all the evidence. They pulled 105 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:50,960 Speaker 5: out all the evidence for us. 106 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:54,799 Speaker 1: Unfortunately, the show fell through. But Beth had already done 107 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 1: so much legwork, so she's a wealth of information on 108 00:05:58,000 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 1: the case. Plus I was interested did to hear her 109 00:06:00,760 --> 00:06:02,800 Speaker 1: perspective as a former prosecutor. 110 00:06:03,080 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 5: I read a lot of transcripts, and I was reading 111 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 5: the trial transcript and you got to understand that when 112 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:14,240 Speaker 5: you have my background as a prosecutor, that police and 113 00:06:14,320 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 5: prosecutors are not in the business of arresting and trying 114 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 5: innocent people. Yes, it happens, but the vast majority of 115 00:06:23,279 --> 00:06:26,320 Speaker 5: people who go through the system, they're guilty. Okay. 116 00:06:30,600 --> 00:06:33,599 Speaker 1: Beth said she started with the assumption that the prosecutors 117 00:06:33,640 --> 00:06:36,280 Speaker 1: got it right. She went through the entire trial and 118 00:06:36,320 --> 00:06:39,679 Speaker 1: flagged a lot of the same things I did, things 119 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:43,719 Speaker 1: that just didn't make sense to either of us. 120 00:06:44,160 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 5: The most crucial piece that jumped out at me was 121 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 5: what came out post conviction, and that's when the defense 122 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 5: got one of the police reports that was prepared close 123 00:06:59,360 --> 00:07:03,679 Speaker 5: in time to the murder that was based on notes 124 00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 5: taken by a comp at the scene. 125 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,840 Speaker 1: This was the police note that was taken about what 126 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,520 Speaker 1: George Hale saw the morning Yvon's body was discovered, and 127 00:07:12,600 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: it was only found after David's conviction. During his appeal, 128 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:21,120 Speaker 1: David received all his files from trial, including the prosecution's file, 129 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:25,480 Speaker 1: and that's when he saw the name George Hale, which 130 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:29,200 Speaker 1: shouldn't have happened because the state was supposed to turn 131 00:07:29,240 --> 00:07:34,680 Speaker 1: over all relevant documents or discovery before the trial, and 132 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:38,560 Speaker 1: yet it wasn't until after the conviction that anyone got 133 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 1: the report, mentioning what George Hale said he saw. 134 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:45,120 Speaker 5: The fact that it was never turned over to the 135 00:07:45,280 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 5: defense is shocking. 136 00:07:47,800 --> 00:07:51,200 Speaker 1: At that time, David's appeal team also believed this was 137 00:07:51,240 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 1: a bombshell. Not only was it a due process violation, 138 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:58,160 Speaker 1: which alone could win a retrial, but it seemed there 139 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:02,160 Speaker 1: was also a person of interest the police never looked at, 140 00:08:02,480 --> 00:08:06,960 Speaker 1: and George Hale could potentially identify that person. So David's 141 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 1: investigator found George Hale. 142 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:10,080 Speaker 6: It's George here. 143 00:08:10,240 --> 00:08:11,360 Speaker 3: My name is Mike Durkin. 144 00:08:13,240 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 6: I like to talk to me. 145 00:08:14,120 --> 00:08:15,320 Speaker 3: He's not in any couple or anything. 146 00:08:15,760 --> 00:08:18,280 Speaker 7: He's kind of hey, buddy, he's got a manager of 147 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 7: truth that I talked to him. 148 00:08:21,640 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 3: Oh that's all right, I'm kind of cold. 149 00:08:23,840 --> 00:08:27,160 Speaker 1: George Jrkin explains to George why he was there. 150 00:08:27,480 --> 00:08:28,480 Speaker 3: Now, after this. 151 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,720 Speaker 7: Case was all done, the family still pursuing that we 152 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:32,319 Speaker 7: got the police report. 153 00:08:32,679 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 3: Or they mentioned they had talked to you. We never 154 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 3: had your name. We never I can show you. 155 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:37,920 Speaker 6: We never. 156 00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 7: We never knew, we never knew existed until we got 157 00:08:42,600 --> 00:08:44,280 Speaker 7: a copy of this police reported you. 158 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,240 Speaker 1: Now you already heard some of the interview earlier, George 159 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,559 Speaker 1: described what he saw outside Yvonne's house the morning her 160 00:08:50,559 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 1: body was found, and the police were interested. According to George, 161 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,560 Speaker 1: the police actually tried to hypnotize him in hopes of 162 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 1: jogging his memory to better describe the mystery man with 163 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:06,199 Speaker 1: the trash bag, but to no avail. George also told 164 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:09,600 Speaker 1: Durkin that he had met with Sue before. Sue, David's wife, 165 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: an amateur investigator, had gone over to George's house and 166 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:15,040 Speaker 1: shown him three photos. 167 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,160 Speaker 7: You've seen a picture she brought you a picture of 168 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 7: David and Wels some other three of them. Three of them, 169 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:25,440 Speaker 7: and those weren't any of the guys you saw, because 170 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:28,120 Speaker 7: you would kind of remember the days that you saw, Okay. 171 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:30,240 Speaker 1: George said that the man you saw leaving the house 172 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: that morning was not David or Joe. For starters, George 173 00:09:35,040 --> 00:09:37,720 Speaker 1: said the man was around five foot nine. Joe and 174 00:09:37,800 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: David are both over six feet tall. Here's Beth again, 175 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:44,040 Speaker 1: So who's this man? 176 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 5: I mean that that is the one key part of 177 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 5: this case that just never like never saw right with me, 178 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 5: Like something is wrong here, something is really wrong. It 179 00:09:57,720 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 5: makes me question why that report wasn't provided to the defense, like, 180 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:08,719 Speaker 5: what's what's up with that and why it wasn't further investigated? 181 00:10:08,760 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 5: So it makes me feel like there's more to the story. 182 00:10:19,400 --> 00:10:23,000 Speaker 1: In his post conviction appeals, David's attorney questioned the two 183 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:28,120 Speaker 1: lead detectives, Samson and Mucklow, about George Hale. Here's Detective Samson, 184 00:10:28,520 --> 00:10:30,000 Speaker 1: all right, this is a Lion. 185 00:10:29,920 --> 00:10:36,040 Speaker 8: Police Department lineup forum or George Ale, and he was 186 00:10:36,120 --> 00:10:40,520 Speaker 8: given a lineup and he did not recognize anybody in 187 00:10:40,520 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 8: the lineup. 188 00:10:41,559 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 3: Now clarify point for me, please. 189 00:10:44,200 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 8: Lineup would have pictures on it. 190 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 5: Sure, what happened? 191 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:49,800 Speaker 1: Where where's that document? 192 00:10:50,640 --> 00:10:53,439 Speaker 8: Well, normally what we do on our lineup is we 193 00:10:53,520 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 8: put the lineup together and we photo copy all the 194 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 8: pictures in the lineup. Okay, then the pictures are put 195 00:10:59,679 --> 00:11:02,680 Speaker 8: back in they because we used polaroids at that time, 196 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,680 Speaker 8: the photographs will be put back in the booking books. 197 00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:11,600 Speaker 8: But the lineup itself should have been photocopied as to 198 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:12,560 Speaker 8: who was in the lineup. 199 00:11:13,200 --> 00:11:16,560 Speaker 1: But there were no photocopies of the people in the lineups. 200 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 3: Know, if it's not in records, we didn't do it. 201 00:11:18,880 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 6: You didn't do a lineup. 202 00:11:20,559 --> 00:11:21,440 Speaker 8: No, we did the lineup. 203 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:23,079 Speaker 3: We just didn't copy it, so you. 204 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 8: Didn't retain any uh retaining record of very very possible. 205 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:32,240 Speaker 1: In other words, the lineup should have been documented, but 206 00:11:32,320 --> 00:11:37,080 Speaker 1: if it was, that documentation disappeared and this didn't just 207 00:11:37,160 --> 00:11:42,160 Speaker 1: happen once. There were actually two lineups. Neither had photos 208 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:46,640 Speaker 1: of the participants, despite the fact that regulations require they 209 00:11:46,720 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 1: be included. And the participants in these lineups, one person 210 00:11:50,720 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: in particular is very interesting and we'll get to that later. 211 00:11:54,520 --> 00:11:57,280 Speaker 8: They were given to the prosecutor's office for their business. 212 00:11:57,559 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 8: They wanted the two lineups we had. We gave him 213 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 8: to the attorneys. 214 00:12:04,600 --> 00:12:07,640 Speaker 1: One thing George said could be of importance was that 215 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:10,480 Speaker 1: the man he saw leaving the house walked through the 216 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,600 Speaker 1: yard to the west. 217 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 3: And then he think he would have run this qu Yeah, okay, 218 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 3: so that would be to the west. I just wanted 219 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 3: to make sure your direction was. 220 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: Right there and whose yard touched Vonn's to the west 221 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,160 Speaker 1: side of the house. Jim, remember, Jim, was that last 222 00:12:26,160 --> 00:12:29,319 Speaker 1: person we know about to see Yvonne alive. He was 223 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: seen at five point thirty with her smashing soda cans 224 00:12:32,400 --> 00:12:35,120 Speaker 1: in her driveway. Jim said he was over there to 225 00:12:35,160 --> 00:12:38,040 Speaker 1: see the puppies and then said afterwards he went on 226 00:12:38,080 --> 00:12:41,600 Speaker 1: a bike ride and then was at work by ten pm. Again, 227 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:44,360 Speaker 1: from what we know, the police did not follow up 228 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 1: on Jim as a suspect. There's no record of a 229 00:12:47,200 --> 00:12:51,520 Speaker 1: formal interview with him, and he never testified. And there 230 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,720 Speaker 1: may be a reason why Jim was not followed up on. 231 00:12:55,480 --> 00:12:58,600 Speaker 1: His brother in law is an Alliance police officer who 232 00:12:58,679 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 1: was at the scene the day after the murder. That 233 00:13:02,040 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 1: officer told me his only involvement in the case was 234 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,120 Speaker 1: peripheral and that Jim was only questioned because he lived nearby. 235 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 1: And investigators interviewed all of Yvonne's neighbors, but the last 236 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:17,000 Speaker 1: person known to have seen Yvonne alive was the brother 237 00:13:17,080 --> 00:13:20,160 Speaker 1: in law of an Alliance officer and he was never 238 00:13:20,480 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: questioned in any detail. This really makes me wonder about 239 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 1: the cops and there are other reasons. 240 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 4: There was a former policeman that she was afraid of. 241 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:41,200 Speaker 1: Okay, this is Tanya Lane, Yvonne's mother. She said that 242 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 1: in September nineteen ninety eight, Yvonne was stopped by the 243 00:13:44,600 --> 00:13:48,760 Speaker 1: police for a traffic infraction. Officer Quintin Artists pulled yvon 244 00:13:48,880 --> 00:13:53,640 Speaker 1: over for driving with a suspended license and quote fictitious plates. 245 00:13:54,160 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: He took her to the station and processed her. When 246 00:13:56,679 --> 00:14:00,400 Speaker 1: she left, he kept her license. In a police interview 247 00:14:00,400 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: with Tanya, she recounted what Yvonne said happened next. 248 00:14:03,960 --> 00:14:06,360 Speaker 4: She told me that he came in the house on 249 00:14:06,440 --> 00:14:09,079 Speaker 4: the pretext of giving her her driver's license. He had 250 00:14:09,120 --> 00:14:11,559 Speaker 4: your driver's license, he said he was going to give 251 00:14:11,559 --> 00:14:14,360 Speaker 4: it back to her, and then he got in the 252 00:14:14,400 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 4: house and he started taking advances and having his hands 253 00:14:18,080 --> 00:14:21,680 Speaker 4: all over her as what she said. And she said, then. 254 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 1: By the way, Officer Artists was not in uniform that day, 255 00:14:26,160 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: and Yvonne says she was afraid. 256 00:14:28,560 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 6: What kind of She. 257 00:14:32,240 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 4: Was afraid that he would come back. 258 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:38,240 Speaker 1: And Artists did come back, and he kept harassing Yvonne, 259 00:14:38,320 --> 00:14:42,280 Speaker 1: according to what police were told, and Artist was no 260 00:14:42,520 --> 00:14:46,480 Speaker 1: stranger to sexual harassment. One woman filed a complaint with 261 00:14:46,520 --> 00:14:50,320 Speaker 1: the police, saying that when Artists was booking her, he asked, 262 00:14:50,440 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: I have to take your picture. Do you want to 263 00:14:52,640 --> 00:14:55,720 Speaker 1: do this with or without your clothes on? He then 264 00:14:55,760 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: allegedly went on to inquire if her bra and panties 265 00:14:58,640 --> 00:15:03,080 Speaker 1: were Matching. Also said that after this incident, Artists began 266 00:15:03,520 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: stopping by her home to quote see how she was doing. 267 00:15:07,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: There were several other similar complaints filed by women in Alliance. 268 00:15:12,240 --> 00:15:15,480 Speaker 1: Artists was charged with aggravate and menacing for another incident, 269 00:15:15,640 --> 00:15:18,080 Speaker 1: and he was let go from the Alliance Police Department. 270 00:15:18,760 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 1: He's now a registered sex offender. To me, a picture 271 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: starts to emerge, cops circling around Yvonn behaving inappropriately and 272 00:15:28,480 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: what's more, I don't see that artist was ever questioned 273 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:36,400 Speaker 1: in relation to Yvonne's death. Sometimes frustrated sexual suitors can 274 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:40,280 Speaker 1: lash out, though as artist, the person George Hale saw 275 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,000 Speaker 1: not likely. Artist is black and the person George saw 276 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 1: is white. The size description also doesn't match. But in 277 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:51,880 Speaker 1: terms of cops behaving badly, an Alliance Artists wasn't an outlier. 278 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:56,760 Speaker 1: In fact, the Alliance Police Department has a history of corruption. 279 00:16:02,800 --> 00:16:06,760 Speaker 1: In the late nineties, after a ten month audit, it 280 00:16:06,880 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 1: was discovered that more than fourteen thousand dollars worth of 281 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: money and drugs was missing from the evidence room. The 282 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:18,320 Speaker 1: audit also found that there were at least six shotguns 283 00:16:18,360 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: missing from the department. The Alliance Police Chief, James Black, 284 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:25,240 Speaker 1: and eight officers were found responsible for the missing money 285 00:16:25,360 --> 00:16:30,080 Speaker 1: and drugs, and were suspended pending the investigation. After he 286 00:16:30,200 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: was suspended, Chief Black allegedly threatened auditors. One auditor had 287 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: said in a police report that Black told the auditors 288 00:16:37,720 --> 00:16:40,960 Speaker 1: that they should get out before quote it gets dark. 289 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:44,600 Speaker 1: The auditor said Black made reference to the recent disappearance 290 00:16:44,640 --> 00:16:48,160 Speaker 1: of a construction worker and said the chief implied this 291 00:16:48,240 --> 00:16:52,320 Speaker 1: might also happen to the auditors. So, according to this report, 292 00:16:52,480 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 1: Alliance cops were capable of real violence or at least 293 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,600 Speaker 1: threatening it. Going back to George Hale, we found there 294 00:17:00,600 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: were actually two lineups given to George. Eventually David's team 295 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:08,679 Speaker 1: managed to get photos of the participants. The second lineup, 296 00:17:09,080 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 1: George didn't id anyone, including David. But George said there 297 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:16,360 Speaker 1: was another lineup the day before, and in that one 298 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:21,160 Speaker 1: he did identify someone. But there's no record of who 299 00:17:21,200 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: that was, none that we or Beth or any of 300 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:29,320 Speaker 1: the lawyers could find. But Duyne Pullman, the investigative TV reporter, 301 00:17:29,640 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: got to the bottom of it. 302 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 6: Did you find somebody you recognized? I did point out somebody, 303 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:36,560 Speaker 6: Hale says. 304 00:17:36,600 --> 00:17:40,040 Speaker 2: Detectives told him later the picture he pointed out was 305 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 2: that of an Alliance police officer. 306 00:17:42,840 --> 00:17:46,159 Speaker 1: Maybe that's why the state didn't tell David's lawyers about 307 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:49,960 Speaker 1: George Hale. Duyne Pullman asked one of the detectives on 308 00:17:50,040 --> 00:17:52,680 Speaker 1: Yvonne's case, Detective Leach, about this. 309 00:17:53,040 --> 00:17:55,480 Speaker 2: John Leech was a key detective in the case. 310 00:17:55,720 --> 00:17:57,200 Speaker 4: Did you know who he identified? 311 00:17:57,880 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 6: No, I don't. There's a police officer that's before the investigation. 312 00:18:04,119 --> 00:18:06,080 Speaker 1: The detective tried to respond. 313 00:18:06,160 --> 00:18:08,760 Speaker 2: Well, like I said, I do remember it coming down 314 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:11,480 Speaker 2: to the point that he was not a reliable witness. 315 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: Reliable or not. George Hale never testified in the murder trial. 316 00:18:16,520 --> 00:18:21,080 Speaker 1: Some cops had suspicions of their own. Detectives. Mucklow and 317 00:18:21,119 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: Sampson actually went to a psychic, and it's not what 318 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: the psychic said to them, but what they told the 319 00:18:27,880 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: psychic about their own brothers in blue. That is truly shocking, 320 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:50,160 Speaker 1: coming up on death and deceit in alliance. 321 00:18:50,280 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 4: I'm curious, why is you know so many cops you 322 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:53,480 Speaker 4: never asked about that. 323 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:54,439 Speaker 3: I wondered about it. 324 00:18:54,760 --> 00:18:58,640 Speaker 8: She was possibly seeing a police. 325 00:18:58,359 --> 00:18:59,600 Speaker 3: Officer to live in. 326 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:06,080 Speaker 2: Say he was a hot mess, anger and rage, very 327 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:10,359 Speaker 2: people scare me. He scared me, and supposedly she told 328 00:19:10,480 --> 00:19:14,280 Speaker 2: linem Glaughlin's mother that the youngest child maybe this policeman's son. 329 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:14,679 Speaker 6: You know. 330 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,640 Speaker 2: In terms of the police force, my god, I had 331 00:19:17,840 --> 00:19:22,240 Speaker 2: eight or nine names of officers who were potential sexual partners. 332 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:30,640 Speaker 1: Death and Deceit in Alliance is produced and reported by 333 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:35,240 Speaker 1: me Maggie Freeling, with editorial consulting from Amber Hunt. Aaron 334 00:19:35,440 --> 00:19:39,800 Speaker 1: Case is our legal researcher. Our executive producer is Steve Fishman. 335 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,199 Speaker 1: Our engineer and production coordinator is Austin Smith. Eric Axelrod 336 00:19:44,359 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: is our assistant producer.