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Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to hear the
Speaker 1: latest and hear normal hour. I'm talking about your neighbor
Speaker 1: down the street, your best friend, your dad, whomever it is.
Speaker 1: They are experiencing things out of the ordinary. Guess what
Speaker 1: they call me. They send their emails and their stories
Speaker 1: of their heartfelt words to Heidecollis dot com or shadow
Speaker 1: Folks dot com. That's for those of you who do
Speaker 1: not know what spell my name, and they stose all
Speaker 1: those words and every little detail that they because they
Speaker 1: come to the form that I have there. And what
Speaker 1: I do then is I share it here on the program. Oh.
Speaker 1: I want to encourage you guys to all go there
Speaker 1: and fill out that form. Tell me what's going on
Speaker 1: out there in the world, from angels to aliens, shadow
Speaker 1: people to the hat man, anything and everything out of ordinary.
Speaker 1: I have had people that write about certain things concerning crystals, bigfoot,
Speaker 1: were wolves, you would name it, near death experiences. I mean,
Speaker 1: why limit it. It's all connected. So let's go there, Mom,
Speaker 1: wells going there. But anyways, you can hear in my voice,
Speaker 1: I'm a little bit sick. I'm overcoming some bad cooties.
Speaker 1: But it's okay, it's okay. I gotta tell you too.
Speaker 1: Today you're in for quite the treat I have. Lester
Speaker 1: Villez is going to be on the program today. Oh yes,
Speaker 1: and what is he going to speak on? Opus? The
Speaker 1: Organization for paranormal understanding and support. Did you guys even
Speaker 1: know such a thing existed? I know, I didn't know
Speaker 1: for a very long time. They're very, very, very long time.
Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that and what that's
Speaker 1: all about. What inspired him to do this and create
Speaker 1: this organization and pull people together to do what help
Speaker 1: each other understand what's going on out there when it
Speaker 1: comes to these things out of the ordinary. It's so
Speaker 1: very important. And if we don't come together, how are
Speaker 1: we going to learn? I keep telling people like, let
Speaker 1: me sit here with this unbelievable story and just hoard it.
Speaker 1: You know, people are like, what got you to get
Speaker 1: out here and speak on these things? Well, let's see.
Speaker 1: I grew up in a family where we didn't see,
Speaker 1: we weren't shy, we were not shy about what it
Speaker 1: is that we're experiencing because we're experiencing it right alongside
Speaker 1: of each other. And we treated horror movies like therapeutic sessions.
Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding, like a movie wasn't a movie
Speaker 1: unless it was scary. And that's how we got to
Speaker 1: understand that. People understood the possibilities out there, what can happen?
Speaker 1: And I was healing. It sounds crazy, but it was healing,
Speaker 1: and we were very, very very thankful that we didn't
Speaker 1: experience anything like the Exorcist movie. That's all I could
Speaker 1: tell you, because you know, it's really isolating when you
Speaker 1: experience these things, and I don't know how to stress that.
Speaker 1: It's so isolating. It could turn your world upside down.
Speaker 1: And if you don't have the support of friends or
Speaker 1: family or somebody around you, it could be absolutely depressing
Speaker 1: and you feel, you know, oppressed, and then you get possessed.
Speaker 1: It's it's sad. It's sad, and I hate hearing about it.
Speaker 1: I hate knowing these things are going on out there.
Speaker 1: So I took the step forward to use me my
Speaker 1: life as an example of strange things can happen to regular,
Speaker 1: everyday people, and we can find answers, we can find resolution.
Speaker 1: We do not have to take what comes at us. No, don't.
Speaker 1: We don't have to always. Uh. It makes me so um,
Speaker 1: I don't even know, it's just this boiling in me
Speaker 1: when I hear people are like absolutely just feeling like victims,
Speaker 1: and I get it. It's probably because they don't have
Speaker 1: the support and and you know who the heck wakes
Speaker 1: up one day, it's like, you know, I'm going to
Speaker 1: look into some demons today and see how to fight them. No,
Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a it's not a thing, you know,
Speaker 1: but a necessity. And when you're you're in the whole
Speaker 1: aura of fear, you really don't see a way out.
Speaker 1: And we're all about bringing dark into the light, right
Speaker 1: m dark become light? Uh huh, so don't mind me, um,
Speaker 1: but yeah, that's a whole goal. And uh, you know,
Speaker 1: before I go on to um introducing our wonderful guests today,
Speaker 1: I have an email and it looks like it's short
Speaker 1: and sweet. So we'll see where this one brings us. Okay,
Speaker 1: and this one says Cecy. Well, it's interesting. First name Karen,
Speaker 1: and she begins and says, dear Heidi, I had a
Speaker 1: bad dream and woke up to this weird pattern on
Speaker 1: my ceiling. Okay, it was a shadow and looked like
Speaker 1: a doily of all things. You guys know what a
Speaker 1: doili is, right, And its really highly patterned little stitchery
Speaker 1: that everybody's grandmother or stepmother made, as my stepmother did.
Speaker 1: Its kind of interesting. So the first thing that comes
Speaker 1: to mind when I think of doili's as those stringy
Speaker 1: patterns that were made in my home growing up. All right,
Speaker 1: and she continues, and I prayed it away. I rebuked
Speaker 1: it in the name of Jesus Christ. Well, all right, girlfriend,
Speaker 1: and it slowly faded. Mm. One lady told me I
Speaker 1: or really I opened a portal, but I don't know
Speaker 1: how I did that. Strange that. That's that's the end
Speaker 1: of the email. Um hmm okay, So there's a lot
Speaker 1: too to believe it or not to unpack here. Uh
Speaker 1: why Well, first off, the thing that made me reflect
Speaker 1: on a on an incident that I personally had was
Speaker 1: with shadow orb looking things, right, and they kind of
Speaker 1: rose up to the ceiling and like as kind of
Speaker 1: you know, wishing praying these things away, they slowly faded.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you're you're talking about a weird
Speaker 1: pattern on you and you're ceiling like that, and how
Speaker 1: it slowly faded away. But when I'm I'm reading this
Speaker 1: and how you rebuked it in the name of Jesus,
Speaker 1: I would say, sprinkle from Jesus on it. That's my
Speaker 1: that's my slogan. I wonder if anybody is steal that
Speaker 1: one now, um um, if something's too good and people
Speaker 1: take it. It's like I have to get into something
Speaker 1: on that actually, um but yeah, um, but it's it's
Speaker 1: just uh, it's one of those those things that sprinkling
Speaker 1: some Jesus on it helps and and if it faded away,
Speaker 1: it couldn't have been good. Right, So it was black,
Speaker 1: and we associate something shadowed as being negative. Right, So
Speaker 1: good on you too, sprinkle some Jesus on it. But
Speaker 1: this part here, this is what bothers me. One lady
Speaker 1: told me I opened a portal, but you don't know how. Um,
Speaker 1: he didn't write about it, So I'm assuming you really
Speaker 1: don't know how. I mean, you didn't put that one
Speaker 1: day you played with a Wigia Borrigin, didn't put that
Speaker 1: one day you thought, I'm just going to try this
Speaker 1: incantation and see if the devil shows up. You didn't
Speaker 1: mention any of that, so I'm assuming nothing was clear
Speaker 1: to you and you just put the words strange. I mean,
Speaker 1: that is strange. What's most strange is that somebody told
Speaker 1: you that. How do they know you well enough to say, yep,
Speaker 1: you did it. I don't know you well enough to
Speaker 1: say that. I'm not a psychic. I don't know if
Speaker 1: the person that you're you're speaking of as a psychic.
Speaker 1: But either way, why why go there? Why say you
Speaker 1: did it? That's your fault. You earned that, you know.
Speaker 1: It's like I don't, I don't get that. I think
Speaker 1: that was kind of wrong. I think that was a
Speaker 1: cheap shot, like, oh, well you did it yourself, so
Speaker 1: so oh well, It's like sometimes things just come leaking
Speaker 1: into a person's home through the neighbor, or somebody that
Speaker 1: delivered a package had some nasty mojo on them. These
Speaker 1: things happen, Or you were out at the good will
Speaker 1: and picked up something and it had some stink on
Speaker 1: it that was dark. It could have been haunted doily
Speaker 1: for all we know. That's funny. Let's hope not though.
Speaker 1: I mean anything could be haunted, really, anything could be haunted.
Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, you just don't know who it
Speaker 1: was that owned something prior or if they use that
Speaker 1: black marker to draw a pentagram. We don't know. We
Speaker 1: don't know. Oh that makes me think, never pick up
Speaker 1: somebody's pen anymore or marker. But honestly, we don't. So
Speaker 1: to say that it it was you, there is no way
Speaker 1: to know that. And what a strange thing to have
Speaker 1: such a pattern on your wall, believe it or not.
Speaker 1: Though I did see somebody that had an odd pattern
Speaker 1: on their skin, but it was from what they thought
Speaker 1: was an alien encounter. But it kind of looked like
Speaker 1: a strange little doily pattern. Actually, I've seen a couple
Speaker 1: of those, ye, a couple of those, and one in person.
Speaker 1: And the one girl, she was just so freaked like
Speaker 1: what is this? Why is this on me? And I
Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a psychic, but I sure wouldn't
Speaker 1: say you did it to yourself. You probably created a
Speaker 1: portal on your skin. So anyways, Ceci, I want to
Speaker 1: thank you for writing me and something I want to
Speaker 1: get to, um you know I did. I did a
Speaker 1: show not too long ago, and the question was asked
Speaker 1: to me that you know, wow, it's controversial that you
Speaker 1: trademarked shadow people. I'm like, it is. Have I heard that?
Speaker 1: Haven't hear anybody complain about that? And they're like, oh,
Speaker 1: I guess I've just talked to certain people. And I'm like, really, oh,
Speaker 1: well why it's like, well, because it's such a common thing.
Speaker 1: And I briefly told them, I said, well, you know,
Speaker 1: straight out of college instead of practicing as a there
Speaker 1: for five years. I packed up my friends into a
Speaker 1: van and we drove across country with my self published book.
Speaker 1: I wrote ninety seven and nobody would publish. So I
Speaker 1: finally got published four years later in two thousand and one,
Speaker 1: and I was out there talking and nobody invited me
Speaker 1: to these conferences I would go to until it was
Speaker 1: open mic time. I'd go up on the stage after
Speaker 1: I was renting a table there and sell my books
Speaker 1: there independently and grab the open mic and just say
Speaker 1: my truth. And it got popular, and I started coming
Speaker 1: on coast to coast am for twenty plus years. So
Speaker 1: if people know about the Shadow People and the hat Man,
Speaker 1: you're welcome. It's like, should Stanley apologize that Spider Man
Speaker 1: got popular? Saw? That's where I'm going. So anyways, I
Speaker 1: just hard to share that because it was the first
Speaker 1: I'd heard that, so fascinating. Well, you guys, guess what
Speaker 1: we are in for a treat because we have Lester
Speaker 1: the les coming here on the program, and we're going
Speaker 1: to dive into a whole lot of interesting topics. All right,
Speaker 1: you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me. Heidi
Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. They
Speaker 1: am Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowd, be right there, welcome back.
Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi
Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coach the Coast. I
Speaker 1: am Paranormal Podcast Network And as promised, I have a
Speaker 1: fabulous guest. I have Lester of a Lez who is
Speaker 1: a graduate of the University of Vermont with a bachelor's
Speaker 1: science degree in business a ministry. Beginning in September of
Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, he starved in the US Army as a
Speaker 1: field artillery officer and was later vice president of the
Speaker 1: Lascomb Engineering I could be saying that wrong, Silicon Valley
Speaker 1: Base manufacturer's representative company. He joined MOUF on the mutual
Speaker 1: UFO network in nineteen ninety one and has held the
Speaker 1: following positions. He was a field investigator, training coordinator for
Speaker 1: field investigators, the assistant state director in Northern California, chairman
Speaker 1: of the ae ARC, which is the Abduction Experiencer Research Committee,
Speaker 1: and the team leader of AART which is the abduction
Speaker 1: Response team. And also during that time he became a
Speaker 1: facilitator for an abduction support group in San Jose, California,
Speaker 1: and in nineteen ninety four he co founded OPUS, which
Speaker 1: is the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, a very
Speaker 1: well respected group, I must say so, I'd like to
Speaker 1: welcome Les Viles to the show. How are you doing today? There? Les? Great?
Speaker 1: Heidi is so happy to be with you today. Yeah. Same,
Speaker 1: My gosh, you're I'm gonna say it right here now.
Speaker 1: You are a super duper paranormal pioneer of sorts. I mean,
Speaker 1: if it hadn't been told to you before, as you
Speaker 1: mentioned before we got on here, you know it now
Speaker 1: and I recognize it. Thank you so much, honestly, I mean, gosh,
Speaker 1: the Opus. Okay, please tell us a bit about that,
Speaker 1: and why on earth did you get involved in doing
Speaker 1: such a thing. Well. OPUS stands for the Organization for
Speaker 1: Paranormal Understanding and Support, and it came about actually first
Speaker 1: got started in nineteen ninety four, and we're a nonprofit
Speaker 1: organization recognized by the IRS, and our mission simply put
Speaker 1: us to help people having paranormal experiences. And we, you know,
Speaker 1: we have put together a team that has been able
Speaker 1: to really give people that are having these types of
Speaker 1: experiences the help that they need, and we do this
Speaker 1: through three different ways. Now. The first way is that
Speaker 1: we have an online confidential support group and we have
Speaker 1: over three hundred people from around the world that are
Speaker 1: talking to one another twenty four to seven, telling their stories,
Speaker 1: asking their questions. And then we have a referral network
Speaker 1: of mental health practitioners hypnotherapists. And then the third thing
Speaker 1: that we've just reach brought on board is a group
Speaker 1: called the Experience or support team, and these are people
Speaker 1: that have a lot of experience working with experiencers and
Speaker 1: they it's sort of a triage type of a team
Speaker 1: where they then talk to these people and find out,
Speaker 1: you know, even if they've mentioned the fact that they
Speaker 1: would like to be put into the support group, but
Speaker 1: we verify the fact that, you know, that's maybe the
Speaker 1: best place for them to be um So this has
Speaker 1: proved to be very beneficial for these people, especially the
Speaker 1: support group. Knowing that they're not alone is such a
Speaker 1: such a great relief for these people because you know,
Speaker 1: most of the time they think that they're totally alone,
Speaker 1: that you know, this is not happening to anybody else,
Speaker 1: because of course they they're afraid to talk to their
Speaker 1: family members or clergy or you know, they're workmates. It's
Speaker 1: the kind of thing that they're afraid that people will
Speaker 1: think you're crazy. And a lot of these people have
Speaker 1: gone to therapists and found out that they're not crazy.
Speaker 1: So then what what do they do then? And that's
Speaker 1: what we basically have provided these people a place where
Speaker 1: they can go. And our website is Opus network dot org.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're having you know, poltergeist activity,
Speaker 1: contact with non human intelligences, spiritual awakening, things of that nature,
Speaker 1: we can point you in the right direction or give
Speaker 1: you help immediately from our site. That's amazing. You know,
Speaker 1: I sure could have used you back in the day.
Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to say. They're less because man,
Speaker 1: I was dealing with these shadowy things that I called
Speaker 1: addle people, and I'd seen UFOs. I had experienced seeing
Speaker 1: some beings in my home. Luckily I wasn't paralyzed, but
Speaker 1: I had a little run in with them, you know,
Speaker 1: and lived in a haunted house, dealt with poultr Geys
Speaker 1: on a body and it was confusing, you know. And uh,
Speaker 1: I became a therapist myself and wrote my first book
Speaker 1: while I was in college in ninety seven, and it
Speaker 1: was one of those those those seeking things. I kept,
Speaker 1: you know, trying to connect the dots and then make
Speaker 1: it okay. Started a group. You know. It's like back
Speaker 1: in the day, you couldn't just hit a button online
Speaker 1: and go I need help, you know, you had to
Speaker 1: actually get out of your seat and go look for it.
Speaker 1: And you did that in a big way, and then
Speaker 1: you spread the joy. So I mean super applause to you,
Speaker 1: because I mean you're super ahead of your time. Well,
Speaker 1: you know, people ask me, you know, like why how
Speaker 1: did this. I'll get started for you, and I have
Speaker 1: to back up to when I was eleven years old,
Speaker 1: and this is when I lived in Connecticut and I
Speaker 1: was coming in the house. It was a late October
Speaker 1: evening and I saw this object. It was hovering over
Speaker 1: this tree line, no no sound whatsoever, and it scared
Speaker 1: the hell out of me. And I ran in the house,
Speaker 1: tried to get my father to come out, and I
Speaker 1: finally he finally did come out, and it was gone
Speaker 1: by then, and he says, well, it's probably just a
Speaker 1: beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. Well I didn't
Speaker 1: buy that, and I started reading books by Georgia Damski
Speaker 1: back in those days, and who talked about the Venusians
Speaker 1: and things of that nature, and so, uh, you know, I,
Speaker 1: like I say, I was really into it for a while.
Speaker 1: But then, you know, I got older and I went
Speaker 1: off to college, and then I venture on graduation, got
Speaker 1: married and went in the service. I went through the
Speaker 1: ROTC program and eventually had a couple of children. In
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty five, moved from Connecticut to California, and
Speaker 1: I picked up the paper one day, the San joseber
Speaker 1: Cary News as it was called back then, and Stanton
Speaker 1: Freeman was going to talk about UFOs and the government
Speaker 1: cover up. And it was like somebody threw a switch.
Speaker 1: It was like, oh my god, this is you know this.
Speaker 1: I've got to go see this guy. And so I
Speaker 1: peers right, Oh my god, yes, fantastic man. Unfortunately he's
Speaker 1: gone now too, and so he gave one of his
Speaker 1: inimitable presentations, and I was really excited. And on my
Speaker 1: way out, this organization called mouf On Mutual UFO Network
Speaker 1: had a table there and so they produce a monthly journal,
Speaker 1: and so I decided, I'm going to start getting a
Speaker 1: journal which talks about UFO sightings and investigations that they do,
Speaker 1: and so that was okay for a while, but then
Speaker 1: I finally decided I wanted to become a field investigator,
Speaker 1: and I passed the test and started to go out
Speaker 1: in the field with a more seasoned person. But all
Speaker 1: the cases, almost without exception, turned out to be not
Speaker 1: only sightings, but these people telling us that they've had
Speaker 1: contact with non human intelligences, and so that really started
Speaker 1: to get my interest. And then these people would ask
Speaker 1: me did I know of other people having similar circumstances,
Speaker 1: and I said, yes, I do. And so next thing
Speaker 1: I'm doing, I'm facilitating a support group in San Jose
Speaker 1: and my office. So yeah, amazing, it's amazing. And you
Speaker 1: started to find that a lot of these uh things
Speaker 1: that that people were reporting were interconnected. I mean, because
Speaker 1: you don't just stop at one type of experience, you're
Speaker 1: kind of open up the discussion for everything. Correct absolutely,
Speaker 1: and and that that is, you know, I firmly believe
Speaker 1: that all these things are connected, whether you talk about
Speaker 1: shadow people, whether you talk about light beings orbs, grays um,
Speaker 1: this whole realm. You know, once you go down that
Speaker 1: rabbit hole, it's it's pretty incredible, and uh, you know,
Speaker 1: these people are telling you stories that you know, in
Speaker 1: balance are very similar, but then they have all kinds
Speaker 1: of nuances with it. And but the bottom line is
Speaker 1: they're having some type of inexperience, whether it might be
Speaker 1: out of body type of experience you know, astral travel,
Speaker 1: if you will, but or physical physical experiences that manifest
Speaker 1: and marks on the body, implants and things of that nature.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, you know, mentioning the shadow people from the start,
Speaker 1: I've discussed their connection directly to some of these alien
Speaker 1: beings and how they've been seen right alongside of them.
Speaker 1: Sometimes have you come across stories like that in that
Speaker 1: particular case, I don't think so, but I would believe
Speaker 1: that it's totally possible that these things interact with one another.
Speaker 1: It could be you know a lot of times that
Speaker 1: you hear about the fact that a person has brought
Speaker 1: on board a craft by a small gray and then
Speaker 1: there's a large gray there. But then there's a man
Speaker 1: this type of a creature that may be there as well,
Speaker 1: or a Nordic or a man in military uniform. I mean,
Speaker 1: this thing starts to really, you know, multiply as far
Speaker 1: as the people that are involved with it. So I
Speaker 1: would certainly believe that that is possible that you have
Speaker 1: two different entities that are interacting, and you know, are
Speaker 1: they all good? Are they all bad? I think we
Speaker 1: have both. I think you have even within species, you
Speaker 1: have good ones and you have bad ones. You've been
Speaker 1: on this planet. How about that? Yeah, exactly, it is
Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. Human's got issues. Well, we've got
Speaker 1: to get to our next break. You are listening to
Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio
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Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to
Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio
Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast ay AM para normal podcast network.
Speaker 1: I have less Valez and we are speaking on everything
Speaker 1: out of the ordinary and how Opus has helped so
Speaker 1: many people from so many walks of life. I'm curious
Speaker 1: if you've had people who have come to you about
Speaker 1: such things as near death experiences or angelic encounters and
Speaker 1: what's that's been like. Well, it's interesting that you brought
Speaker 1: that up, because most of a lot of the people
Speaker 1: that do come to us talk about having had a
Speaker 1: near death experience. There's a story I want to tell
Speaker 1: you about. It relates to how Opus got started, but
Speaker 1: it goes back into near death experience question. I had
Speaker 1: been written up in the Monterey Coast Weekly paper. This
Speaker 1: reporter had talked to Mouf on hit quarters and asked
Speaker 1: if for the name of someone that he could talk
Speaker 1: to about the UFO thing. And so they evidently gave
Speaker 1: this reporter my name. He came out, he interviewed me
Speaker 1: and ended up putting my head on it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it was really weird, my head on the front cover
Speaker 1: of this weekly paper. In that same article, there was
Speaker 1: a woman that was written up with her capabilities that
Speaker 1: she had, and she contacted me said to me, I'd
Speaker 1: like to understand what's going on with my brain waves
Speaker 1: when I'm in contact with these off earthly entities. You know.
Speaker 1: I kind of scratched my head figuratively and saying, well,
Speaker 1: you know, how am I going to possibly help this person?
Speaker 1: And then she said she was working with an emergency
Speaker 1: room doctor don and Carmel, And so that really piqued
Speaker 1: my interest because I had a doctor friend by the
Speaker 1: name of Eugene Lipson that was interesting, and meeting other doctors,
Speaker 1: I called them up and I said, you know, why
Speaker 1: don't we take a trip down and visit with this
Speaker 1: lady and see see what we could possibly do or
Speaker 1: to better understand what it is that's happening to her.
Speaker 1: So we did, and as we walked into her home,
Speaker 1: there was a picture on the wall and it was
Speaker 1: her standing on the back of this boat, a rather
Speaker 1: large vessel, and I said, what's this all about. Well,
Speaker 1: that was when I was down in the Caribbean helping
Speaker 1: these treasure hunters. And I said what, yeah, I was
Speaker 1: helping these treasures. Well, how are you helping them? Just
Speaker 1: while I was in contact with the captain of the
Speaker 1: galleon that had gone down. So that, of course kind
Speaker 1: of blew us away. And what we came to find
Speaker 1: out that after a near death experience, she had become
Speaker 1: very psychic, and so she began to tell us things
Speaker 1: about ourselves that afternoon. That there was no possible way
Speaker 1: that she could know that because she didn't know us
Speaker 1: from Adam, you know, and the article didn't say anything
Speaker 1: about my background other than you know, my involvement with
Speaker 1: move On. So yeah, so we came away that afternoon,
Speaker 1: and we stopped at a Hamburger joint and decided, how
Speaker 1: can we possibly help people like this? And because we
Speaker 1: were you know, I had already been doing the support
Speaker 1: group in San Jose and and and Jean was doing
Speaker 1: some similar things up in his area. And so that
Speaker 1: was the afternoon that opus was hatched. The rest is history,
Speaker 1: so to speak, but near death experiences does come up
Speaker 1: a lot that afterwards people become very psychic. They have
Speaker 1: a whole different worldview afterwards, especially with the contacts that
Speaker 1: they make during these experiences. Another doctor, and you might
Speaker 1: have heard of this story. She was taking a kayaking
Speaker 1: adventure down South America and she went over this falls
Speaker 1: and got trapped at the bottom of the falls for
Speaker 1: over thirty minutes. And during that time she saw these
Speaker 1: entities and she felt this incredible love coming her way,
Speaker 1: and so she decided that she wanted to go with them.
Speaker 1: And then they said no, no, no no, you have things
Speaker 1: that you have to do. You have to go back,
Speaker 1: and she survived. One of the things that these entities
Speaker 1: also told her was that her son, who was little
Speaker 1: at the time, when he turned eighteen, would succumb, would die.
Speaker 1: Of course, that shook her up quite a bit, but
Speaker 1: she never said anything to her son, and because she
Speaker 1: probably didn't believe it. Anyway, when he turned eighteen, shortly thereafter,
Speaker 1: he got in a car accident and died. So I
Speaker 1: mean near death psychic abilities, involvement with entities, healings that
Speaker 1: go on when you when you are in contact with them. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you know the name
Speaker 1: major Major. Oh goodness, I'm losing it right now. Anyway,
Speaker 1: he was in charge of the malsterm Air Force Base
Speaker 1: when all the missiles were shut down, and he was
Speaker 1: at a presentation that I made at the move On
Speaker 1: symposium two years ago in Las Vegas. This was an
Speaker 1: experiencer's meeting, and he brought his wife along with him,
Speaker 1: And after I did the presentation, he came up to
Speaker 1: me and said, can I talk to you, you know,
Speaker 1: in private afterwards? And so I said sure, um, And
Speaker 1: and I was sitting at my table in an exhibitor
Speaker 1: area hawking my book. I wish, well, we'll talk about
Speaker 1: the unknown other and he tells me that he had
Speaker 1: an experience along with his wife, and when they came
Speaker 1: back after this experience, she was able to heal people.
Speaker 1: The ability to heal was not only something that happens
Speaker 1: with you, but you can also become a healer. So
Speaker 1: how do these things happen? You know, we don't understand
Speaker 1: so much about this phenomena, and yeah it is. And
Speaker 1: you know, you have the majority of people that are
Speaker 1: having these experience, it's probably seventy percent or so that
Speaker 1: want these experiences to continue. Certainly, in the beginning, all
Speaker 1: these experiencers are quite traumatic, but there's a process that
Speaker 1: goes on and then eventually they become accustomed to it,
Speaker 1: and then when it stops, it's almost like the Stockholm syndrome.
Speaker 1: It's like, where did they go? Why aren't they coming
Speaker 1: back from me? And so that that's some interesting things
Speaker 1: and one of the other things that Opus does. We're
Speaker 1: in a process of doing another research project. We did
Speaker 1: the first one back in two thousand and seven, which
Speaker 1: was funded by Moufon called the Omega three study, where
Speaker 1: we took seventy one experiencers and fifty one people that
Speaker 1: were a control group, and we basically had them take
Speaker 1: various psychological tests and came away with the fact that
Speaker 1: these people did not have a psychopathology. Their worldview changes dramatically.
Speaker 1: In other words, Hey, we need to be better stewards
Speaker 1: of the it, we need to be better to one another,
Speaker 1: we need to be more loving. These are all wonderful,
Speaker 1: wonderful things. And there's also changes in the temporal lobe
Speaker 1: activity versus the control group, and that's another factor that
Speaker 1: I think is being looked at by some scientists at
Speaker 1: the present time trying to better understand how that is
Speaker 1: part of this process. And now we're in the second
Speaker 1: phase of the Omega four study. The first phase was
Speaker 1: where we went out to therapists and had them take
Speaker 1: this survey and we came away with some interesting information
Speaker 1: there too, which is actually published on our website. And
Speaker 1: number one, most activity does involve the grave as far
Speaker 1: as contact with non human intelligences. The second thing that
Speaker 1: comes up is orbs. People talk about orbs. Third, the
Speaker 1: third thing that comes up is interdimensionals. And then the
Speaker 1: fourth thing that comes up is poulter geist activity. And
Speaker 1: poltergeist activity can take the form of a lot of
Speaker 1: different things, shadow people probably along with it. So yeah,
Speaker 1: it's fascinating. There's so many nooks and crannies to investigate
Speaker 1: in all this, but the bottom line, there's something going on.
Speaker 1: These people are not crazy, And you know the big question,
Speaker 1: what is it? Is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is it
Speaker 1: interdimensional in nature? Is it time travelers? Is it the military?
Speaker 1: Or is it all the above, which I kind of
Speaker 1: think it is and probably anything else you can possibly
Speaker 1: think of, right, you know. One of the question that
Speaker 1: I have when it comes to the alien beings. I mean,
Speaker 1: there's a lot of gray involvement. But I have heard
Speaker 1: and witness myself people that absolutely went through so many
Speaker 1: horrible experiences with these beings, and then they would teach them,
Speaker 1: you know, something positive, and they're like, um, okay, I
Speaker 1: wanted to kill them before, but now they're teaching me things.
Speaker 1: So I guess I'm okay with it. And I'm like,
Speaker 1: hold on, you slep with a gun under your pillow,
Speaker 1: I remember you, you know. So, do you think there's
Speaker 1: a conflict and alien contact? Are they masking themselves to
Speaker 1: appear as one thing so you let your guard down,
Speaker 1: they take advantage, and then they reward you with a
Speaker 1: cookie or something. I mean, what's going on if? Yeah? Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's the old carrot and stick of philosophy, right, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think what it is is that It depends on
Speaker 1: the group that you're dealing with. I think i've you know,
Speaker 1: there's both sides of this story, you know. You know,
Speaker 1: if you believe they're greer, uh, that they believe everything
Speaker 1: is positive, no, no issues, and then you have the
Speaker 1: the uh, the David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins that said
Speaker 1: they're all bad. It's a mixture. It's absolutely a mixture.
Speaker 1: And so it's very difficult, you know too. And again,
Speaker 1: based on our studies and other studies that have gone
Speaker 1: on the Free study, for instance, most of the people
Speaker 1: are coming away with with positive feelings about it. But
Speaker 1: certainly that that initial phase, that initial phase where you
Speaker 1: put on a table, you're probe to every orifice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, siemens taken, eggs are taken, you know,
Speaker 1: implants are put in you. Uh that that is pretty bad,
Speaker 1: pretty pretty horrible. What we're going to get to our
Speaker 1: next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes
Speaker 1: Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast
Speaker 1: to Coast ay AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You
Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis
Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast ay Am Parenormal
Speaker 1: Podcast network Less. You made a really good point that
Speaker 1: you know, definitely it does appear to be that there's
Speaker 1: a conflict or it's it's like a whole mishmash of
Speaker 1: so many different elements when it comes to what's the
Speaker 1: being's agenda is? And I always call it like a
Speaker 1: secret war, if you will. It's like, you know, I
Speaker 1: feel that if these things can shape shift to make
Speaker 1: themselves appear as one thing or another. I mean, who's
Speaker 1: to say, who's standing before you? When one group did
Speaker 1: something horrible to you and another one that looks just
Speaker 1: like them, you know, they're they're absolutely different, they're absolutely peaceful,
Speaker 1: and I can't help to wonder if one is masking,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like if that's the problem going on. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that again, it's a very complicated subject, you know,
Speaker 1: to understand what's their agenda, Well, there's so many different groups,
Speaker 1: you know, so you have to look at, you know,
Speaker 1: a particular group to then try to understand if there
Speaker 1: is an agenda. And here's what I like to say
Speaker 1: about this whole thing. I think it's almost like a
Speaker 1: school for the aliens. In other words, they have generations,
Speaker 1: you know, that come and go, and so when they
Speaker 1: have a new generation that needs to be taught how
Speaker 1: to investigate the human race, they come down. They do
Speaker 1: the same thing because you hear tie them in time. Again. Well,
Speaker 1: if they're so smart, they all they need is one sample,
Speaker 1: one person, they got it all figured out. Well, then
Speaker 1: that they they they it's and then they're doing things.
Speaker 1: You know, we do the same thing. We take a dolphin,
Speaker 1: for instance, we pull them out of the water, we
Speaker 1: tag them, we take a blood sample, we measure them, uh,
Speaker 1: we throw them back in the water. And then a
Speaker 1: year later, we we've we've we capture them again, we
Speaker 1: pull them out of the out of the water, put
Speaker 1: them on the boat, do the same thing over and
Speaker 1: over and over again and and so you know, I
Speaker 1: think it's a learning process that's going on. And you know,
Speaker 1: we're not at the top of the food chain unfortunately,
Speaker 1: right there's some hungry big foot out there. I know that, Yeah,
Speaker 1: absolutely so. So, I mean, yeah, it's really difficult to pinpoint,
Speaker 1: if you will, that they have some nefarious agenda by
Speaker 1: you know, hoodwinking us and having a shape. And they
Speaker 1: do this certainly to in a lot of cases to
Speaker 1: make it more palatable for the person that's experience and
Speaker 1: you know, show up as a teddy bear, if you will,
Speaker 1: or an owl or a deer instead of a little
Speaker 1: gray um that kind of thing. But the bottom line
Speaker 1: is that they all seem to be doing the same
Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, and there's probably groups that they don't
Speaker 1: you know, do have a nefarious agenda that you know,
Speaker 1: they're not being u sports right. Well, I don't understand
Speaker 1: how some can think, well, they all have to be
Speaker 1: really positive because they got here somehow. I'm like, look,
Speaker 1: there's some really smart dudes out there that were serial
Speaker 1: killers too. You know. It's like, why do I have
Speaker 1: to kombay out with them? If I think something there
Speaker 1: might be something wrong. I remember somebody very very famous
Speaker 1: read my book The Secret War, and based on the
Speaker 1: conflict and alien contact with you know, some of them
Speaker 1: are good, some of them are bad, and shadow people
Speaker 1: are in the middle and uh and this this researcher
Speaker 1: is like, you know, go and throw this in the
Speaker 1: garbage to start all over again, because there's not a
Speaker 1: single bad alien out there in the universe. I'm like, what,
Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's like I would never think that's okay to push
Speaker 1: your opinion on someone. And I'm sure that's not anything
Speaker 1: that you guys do. You try to help them grow
Speaker 1: in the situation. Correct. Oh, absolutely, I mean we're we're neutral, Okay,
Speaker 1: we listen to their stories. We don't you know, uh,
Speaker 1: make a judgment. We try to help them with whatever
Speaker 1: we can, whether it's a support group, uh, a mental
Speaker 1: health practitioner, a hypnotherapist, or now talking with a triage
Speaker 1: person in our est group. Um so uh yeah, and
Speaker 1: that's that's that's a horrible thing to do to a
Speaker 1: person about it? Yeah, it really is. I mean so
Speaker 1: many people, you know. I always tell people it's like
Speaker 1: if I listen to the folks that I really admired,
Speaker 1: you know that we're close and far, you know, and
Speaker 1: just believed everything that was told to me or ordered
Speaker 1: of me, I would have never taken the steps that
Speaker 1: I did to you know, put something else out there
Speaker 1: on the map. And it's like, I think it's important
Speaker 1: that we all kind of pick and choose what's healthy
Speaker 1: and what fits in our narrative to be acceptable. We
Speaker 1: don't have to follow a certain pattern to express ourselves
Speaker 1: in this field and understand it absolutely. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why I put the book out the last year,
Speaker 1: The Unknown Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact,
Speaker 1: which you could actually see on our website on the
Speaker 1: homepage and also it's available on Amazon. Basically, it's an
Speaker 1: overview of the topic contact with non human intelligences with
Speaker 1: all the physical psychological aspects of it, and then including
Speaker 1: the military aspects of it, and the government UAP report
Speaker 1: that came out, and then of course the full full
Speaker 1: analysis of the OMEGA three study which is in there
Speaker 1: in the appendix where we interviewed seventy one experiencers and
Speaker 1: compared them to fifty one control people. So yeah, I
Speaker 1: wanted to put something out there that would be good
Speaker 1: for not only the general public, but also for therapists
Speaker 1: that are not familiar with the topic. And that's one
Speaker 1: thing we're trying to do in a big way now
Speaker 1: is we're reaching out to more therapists to try to
Speaker 1: educate them on this topic and then hopefully have them
Speaker 1: be part of the provider network. Of course, you would
Speaker 1: be an absolutely a wonderful edition, um well, for sure,
Speaker 1: sure and so I I think that you know, this
Speaker 1: thing is not going to stop. It's been going on forever.
Speaker 1: And my latest theory on all of this is the fact,
Speaker 1: whether we consciously know it or not, I think all
Speaker 1: of us are experiencers. And I got to tell you
Speaker 1: this story that happened. One day in the support group.
Speaker 1: A person said to me said, Hey, I've seen you before.
Speaker 1: Are they really or at a UFO conference a grocery store.
Speaker 1: They said, no, no no, no, I saw you on board
Speaker 1: the craft. Oh really, And I kind of I kind
Speaker 1: of blew it off, you know, I I just it
Speaker 1: didn't it didn't sit with me, you know very well,
Speaker 1: but you know, I just I just didn't believe it.
Speaker 1: But then it was like a year, a year and
Speaker 1: a half later, a totally different person, a different support
Speaker 1: group meeting, said I've seen you before. I said the
Speaker 1: same thing. I said, where the UFO conference, grocery store? No, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: you were sitting on this bench naked on board the
Speaker 1: craft and you were freaking out. And they told me
Speaker 1: to go over to you to calm you down. Oh great.
Speaker 1: So I at that point, at that point, I decided
Speaker 1: to go get regressed. And I had three separate regressions
Speaker 1: two different people, and nothing like that came up. However,
Speaker 1: I had numerous past lives, numerous past lives and which
Speaker 1: were so real I was I was crying and a
Speaker 1: number of them, you know, because the feelings were so
Speaker 1: tremendously overwhelming. Uh and uh So anyway, it was probably
Speaker 1: another year later that I told this story to someone
Speaker 1: and they said, well, you know, maybe this person picked
Speaker 1: up on something that happened in a previous life. Maybe
Speaker 1: we're abducted in a previous life, and that's that's what
Speaker 1: this person was seeing in some way, shape or form. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's funny. I had a group
Speaker 1: for fifteen years and people would pop in and they
Speaker 1: would recognize each other and say these things and and
Speaker 1: uh sometimes they would say, you know, yeah, you look
Speaker 1: familiar too. So it's interesting though, you know, it's like,
Speaker 1: I don't understand, you know, how that always connects, because
Speaker 1: like myself, I was told, oh, you're abducted, you have
Speaker 1: hybrid children. No, I don't. I've never been abducted. You know,
Speaker 1: I don't know where this is coming from. But yeah, fascinating.
Speaker 1: So if people are experiencing anything out of the ordinary.
Speaker 1: How can they reach out to you guys and get
Speaker 1: some help. Well, the easiest thing to do is just
Speaker 1: to hit our website Opus network dot org. There's a big,
Speaker 1: big support button on there, and then what we ask
Speaker 1: you is just a few questions. You know, your name,
Speaker 1: your email address, and tell us about your story a
Speaker 1: bit of it, uh, you don't have to go into
Speaker 1: great detail. And then that automatically goes out to three
Speaker 1: people in our organization, myself included, and you can choose
Speaker 1: from either being put into the support group or going
Speaker 1: to a triage member of the est or having them
Speaker 1: contact you. And then once the triage person talks to
Speaker 1: the experiencer, we then can find out if it would
Speaker 1: like to have a hypnotherapist you know, a name given
Speaker 1: to them, or do they need a mental health practitioner
Speaker 1: that they would like to see. So um again it's
Speaker 1: opusnetwork dot org. Yeah, thank you so much for coming
Speaker 1: on the program and sharing your knowledge and your services.
Speaker 1: Pioneer Les Valles, thank you, thank you so much, Hide
Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Amazing work by an amazing guy.
Speaker 1: You know, guys, we have come to the bottom of
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