1 00:00:00,560 --> 00:00:03,440 Speaker 1: Hi, I'm George Nori and welcome to the new iHeartRadio 2 00:00:03,520 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Like us 3 00:00:06,760 --> 00:00:10,200 Speaker 1: on Facebook, tell your friends and share us with everyone. 4 00:00:10,520 --> 00:00:13,560 Speaker 1: This is an exciting new network that will feature podcasts 5 00:00:13,600 --> 00:00:17,479 Speaker 1: of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now, please sit 6 00:00:17,560 --> 00:00:27,520 Speaker 1: back and enjoy Dark Becomes Light with Heidi Hollis. Welcome 7 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and opinions 8 00:00:31,360 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions only 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:39,760 Speaker 1: and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast to 10 00:00:39,840 --> 00:00:45,080 Speaker 1: Coast AM, employees of Premiere Networks, or their sponsors and associates. 11 00:00:45,479 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: We would like to encourage you to do your own 12 00:00:47,840 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 1: research and discover the subject matter for yourself. You are 13 00:01:04,400 --> 00:01:08,400 Speaker 1: listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidie Hollis, my 14 00:01:08,560 --> 00:01:15,479 Speaker 1: Heart Radio and Coast to Coast they Am Paranormal Podcast Network. 15 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,760 Speaker 1: Welcome to my show. Remember each week this is the 16 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: place you go to when you want to hear the 17 00:01:21,760 --> 00:01:24,800 Speaker 1: latest and hear normal hour. I'm talking about your neighbor 18 00:01:24,840 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: down the street, your best friend, your dad, whomever it is. 19 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 1: They are experiencing things out of the ordinary. Guess what 20 00:01:31,760 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: they call me. They send their emails and their stories 21 00:01:37,200 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 1: of their heartfelt words to Heidecollis dot com or shadow 22 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:46,240 Speaker 1: Folks dot com. That's for those of you who do 23 00:01:46,240 --> 00:01:50,440 Speaker 1: not know what spell my name, and they stose all 24 00:01:50,480 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: those words and every little detail that they because they 25 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 1: come to the form that I have there. And what 26 00:01:57,200 --> 00:02:00,640 Speaker 1: I do then is I share it here on the program. Oh. 27 00:02:00,680 --> 00:02:03,120 Speaker 1: I want to encourage you guys to all go there 28 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 1: and fill out that form. Tell me what's going on 29 00:02:06,280 --> 00:02:08,720 Speaker 1: out there in the world, from angels to aliens, shadow 30 00:02:08,760 --> 00:02:11,919 Speaker 1: people to the hat man, anything and everything out of ordinary. 31 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 1: I have had people that write about certain things concerning crystals, bigfoot, 32 00:02:17,200 --> 00:02:21,799 Speaker 1: were wolves, you would name it, near death experiences. I mean, 33 00:02:22,080 --> 00:02:27,079 Speaker 1: why limit it. It's all connected. So let's go there, Mom, 34 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:30,359 Speaker 1: wells going there. But anyways, you can hear in my voice, 35 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,600 Speaker 1: I'm a little bit sick. I'm overcoming some bad cooties. 36 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,960 Speaker 1: But it's okay, it's okay. I gotta tell you too. 37 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:45,120 Speaker 1: Today you're in for quite the treat I have. Lester 38 00:02:45,680 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 1: Villez is going to be on the program today. Oh yes, 39 00:02:50,760 --> 00:02:54,040 Speaker 1: and what is he going to speak on? Opus? The 40 00:02:54,160 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Organization for paranormal understanding and support. Did you guys even 41 00:03:00,120 --> 00:03:03,120 Speaker 1: know such a thing existed? I know, I didn't know 42 00:03:03,200 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: for a very long time. They're very, very, very long time. 43 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: So we're going to get into that and what that's 44 00:03:09,160 --> 00:03:13,440 Speaker 1: all about. What inspired him to do this and create 45 00:03:13,480 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: this organization and pull people together to do what help 46 00:03:16,880 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: each other understand what's going on out there when it 47 00:03:19,680 --> 00:03:23,040 Speaker 1: comes to these things out of the ordinary. It's so 48 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:26,560 Speaker 1: very important. And if we don't come together, how are 49 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:28,920 Speaker 1: we going to learn? I keep telling people like, let 50 00:03:28,960 --> 00:03:33,080 Speaker 1: me sit here with this unbelievable story and just hoard it. 51 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,440 Speaker 1: You know, people are like, what got you to get 52 00:03:35,440 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: out here and speak on these things? Well, let's see. 53 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:41,520 Speaker 1: I grew up in a family where we didn't see, 54 00:03:42,120 --> 00:03:44,800 Speaker 1: we weren't shy, we were not shy about what it 55 00:03:44,840 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: is that we're experiencing because we're experiencing it right alongside 56 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:52,600 Speaker 1: of each other. And we treated horror movies like therapeutic sessions. 57 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:55,119 Speaker 1: And I'm not kidding, like a movie wasn't a movie 58 00:03:55,160 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: unless it was scary. And that's how we got to 59 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:01,560 Speaker 1: understand that. People understood the possibilities out there, what can happen? 60 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:05,440 Speaker 1: And I was healing. It sounds crazy, but it was healing, 61 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: and we were very, very very thankful that we didn't 62 00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: experience anything like the Exorcist movie. That's all I could 63 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:19,520 Speaker 1: tell you, because you know, it's really isolating when you 64 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 1: experience these things, and I don't know how to stress that. 65 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,080 Speaker 1: It's so isolating. It could turn your world upside down. 66 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 1: And if you don't have the support of friends or 67 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 1: family or somebody around you, it could be absolutely depressing 68 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:36,960 Speaker 1: and you feel, you know, oppressed, and then you get possessed. 69 00:04:38,760 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: It's it's sad. It's sad, and I hate hearing about it. 70 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: I hate knowing these things are going on out there. 71 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:46,360 Speaker 1: So I took the step forward to use me my 72 00:04:46,400 --> 00:04:50,479 Speaker 1: life as an example of strange things can happen to regular, 73 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: everyday people, and we can find answers, we can find resolution. 74 00:04:55,680 --> 00:05:00,240 Speaker 1: We do not have to take what comes at us. No, don't. 75 00:05:00,480 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: We don't have to always. Uh. It makes me so um, 76 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,640 Speaker 1: I don't even know, it's just this boiling in me 77 00:05:06,800 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: when I hear people are like absolutely just feeling like victims, 78 00:05:11,480 --> 00:05:13,839 Speaker 1: and I get it. It's probably because they don't have 79 00:05:13,880 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 1: the support and and you know who the heck wakes 80 00:05:16,600 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 1: up one day, it's like, you know, I'm going to 81 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:20,599 Speaker 1: look into some demons today and see how to fight them. No, 82 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:23,920 Speaker 1: I mean, it's not a it's not a thing, you know, 83 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: but a necessity. And when you're you're in the whole 84 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: aura of fear, you really don't see a way out. 85 00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,880 Speaker 1: And we're all about bringing dark into the light, right 86 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:44,039 Speaker 1: m dark become light? Uh huh, so don't mind me, um, 87 00:05:44,960 --> 00:05:47,720 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's a whole goal. And uh, you know, 88 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:53,840 Speaker 1: before I go on to um introducing our wonderful guests today, 89 00:05:54,600 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: I have an email and it looks like it's short 90 00:05:57,760 --> 00:06:01,760 Speaker 1: and sweet. So we'll see where this one brings us. Okay, 91 00:06:02,760 --> 00:06:08,320 Speaker 1: and this one says Cecy. Well, it's interesting. First name Karen, 92 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: and she begins and says, dear Heidi, I had a 93 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:18,760 Speaker 1: bad dream and woke up to this weird pattern on 94 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:24,520 Speaker 1: my ceiling. Okay, it was a shadow and looked like 95 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,400 Speaker 1: a doily of all things. You guys know what a 96 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:33,800 Speaker 1: doili is, right, And its really highly patterned little stitchery 97 00:06:33,960 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: that everybody's grandmother or stepmother made, as my stepmother did. 98 00:06:41,720 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: Its kind of interesting. So the first thing that comes 99 00:06:43,920 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: to mind when I think of doili's as those stringy 100 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 1: patterns that were made in my home growing up. All right, 101 00:06:51,960 --> 00:06:56,000 Speaker 1: and she continues, and I prayed it away. I rebuked 102 00:06:56,040 --> 00:06:59,359 Speaker 1: it in the name of Jesus Christ. Well, all right, girlfriend, 103 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:05,359 Speaker 1: and it slowly faded. Mm. One lady told me I 104 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:10,200 Speaker 1: or really I opened a portal, but I don't know 105 00:07:10,240 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 1: how I did that. Strange that. That's that's the end 106 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: of the email. Um hmm okay, So there's a lot 107 00:07:18,760 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 1: too to believe it or not to unpack here. Uh 108 00:07:23,720 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: why Well, first off, the thing that made me reflect 109 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: on a on an incident that I personally had was 110 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 1: with shadow orb looking things, right, and they kind of 111 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,720 Speaker 1: rose up to the ceiling and like as kind of 112 00:07:41,880 --> 00:07:45,720 Speaker 1: you know, wishing praying these things away, they slowly faded. 113 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: So it's interesting that you're you're talking about a weird 114 00:07:49,360 --> 00:07:52,160 Speaker 1: pattern on you and you're ceiling like that, and how 115 00:07:52,160 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: it slowly faded away. But when I'm I'm reading this 116 00:07:56,080 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 1: and how you rebuked it in the name of Jesus, 117 00:07:57,960 --> 00:08:00,280 Speaker 1: I would say, sprinkle from Jesus on it. That's my 118 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:02,520 Speaker 1: that's my slogan. I wonder if anybody is steal that 119 00:08:02,600 --> 00:08:09,680 Speaker 1: one now, um um, if something's too good and people 120 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: take it. It's like I have to get into something 121 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 1: on that actually, um but yeah, um, but it's it's 122 00:08:17,320 --> 00:08:22,160 Speaker 1: just uh, it's one of those those things that sprinkling 123 00:08:22,280 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 1: some Jesus on it helps and and if it faded away, 124 00:08:25,920 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: it couldn't have been good. Right, So it was black, 125 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: and we associate something shadowed as being negative. Right, So 126 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: good on you too, sprinkle some Jesus on it. But 127 00:08:43,559 --> 00:08:46,760 Speaker 1: this part here, this is what bothers me. One lady 128 00:08:46,840 --> 00:08:49,920 Speaker 1: told me I opened a portal, but you don't know how. Um, 129 00:08:50,720 --> 00:08:53,880 Speaker 1: he didn't write about it, So I'm assuming you really 130 00:08:53,880 --> 00:08:56,360 Speaker 1: don't know how. I mean, you didn't put that one 131 00:08:56,440 --> 00:08:58,440 Speaker 1: day you played with a Wigia Borrigin, didn't put that 132 00:08:58,520 --> 00:09:00,560 Speaker 1: one day you thought, I'm just going to try this 133 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: incantation and see if the devil shows up. You didn't 134 00:09:04,440 --> 00:09:07,600 Speaker 1: mention any of that, so I'm assuming nothing was clear 135 00:09:07,640 --> 00:09:10,360 Speaker 1: to you and you just put the words strange. I mean, 136 00:09:10,400 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: that is strange. What's most strange is that somebody told 137 00:09:13,760 --> 00:09:18,320 Speaker 1: you that. How do they know you well enough to say, yep, 138 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:20,760 Speaker 1: you did it. I don't know you well enough to 139 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:25,200 Speaker 1: say that. I'm not a psychic. I don't know if 140 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,640 Speaker 1: the person that you're you're speaking of as a psychic. 141 00:09:29,760 --> 00:09:35,840 Speaker 1: But either way, why why go there? Why say you 142 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: did it? That's your fault. You earned that, you know. 143 00:09:39,640 --> 00:09:42,800 Speaker 1: It's like I don't, I don't get that. I think 144 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 1: that was kind of wrong. I think that was a 145 00:09:45,640 --> 00:09:49,920 Speaker 1: cheap shot, like, oh, well you did it yourself, so 146 00:09:49,920 --> 00:09:54,480 Speaker 1: so oh well, It's like sometimes things just come leaking 147 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: into a person's home through the neighbor, or somebody that 148 00:09:59,040 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 1: delivered a package had some nasty mojo on them. These 149 00:10:02,240 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 1: things happen, Or you were out at the good will 150 00:10:05,720 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: and picked up something and it had some stink on 151 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: it that was dark. It could have been haunted doily 152 00:10:12,360 --> 00:10:18,200 Speaker 1: for all we know. That's funny. Let's hope not though. 153 00:10:18,280 --> 00:10:22,920 Speaker 1: I mean anything could be haunted, really, anything could be haunted. 154 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: Why not? I mean, you just don't know who it 155 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: was that owned something prior or if they use that 156 00:10:32,240 --> 00:10:36,120 Speaker 1: black marker to draw a pentagram. We don't know. We 157 00:10:36,200 --> 00:10:39,240 Speaker 1: don't know. Oh that makes me think, never pick up 158 00:10:39,280 --> 00:10:44,160 Speaker 1: somebody's pen anymore or marker. But honestly, we don't. So 159 00:10:44,360 --> 00:10:46,720 Speaker 1: to say that it it was you, there is no way 160 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 1: to know that. And what a strange thing to have 161 00:10:50,280 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 1: such a pattern on your wall, believe it or not. 162 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: Though I did see somebody that had an odd pattern 163 00:10:58,520 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: on their skin, but it was from what they thought 164 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 1: was an alien encounter. But it kind of looked like 165 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: a strange little doily pattern. Actually, I've seen a couple 166 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,320 Speaker 1: of those, ye, a couple of those, and one in person. 167 00:11:12,040 --> 00:11:15,400 Speaker 1: And the one girl, she was just so freaked like 168 00:11:15,559 --> 00:11:19,880 Speaker 1: what is this? Why is this on me? And I 169 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm not a psychic, but I sure wouldn't 170 00:11:22,200 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 1: say you did it to yourself. You probably created a 171 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:28,920 Speaker 1: portal on your skin. So anyways, Ceci, I want to 172 00:11:28,960 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: thank you for writing me and something I want to 173 00:11:31,880 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 1: get to, um you know I did. I did a 174 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:38,800 Speaker 1: show not too long ago, and the question was asked 175 00:11:38,800 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: to me that you know, wow, it's controversial that you 176 00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:45,600 Speaker 1: trademarked shadow people. I'm like, it is. Have I heard that? 177 00:11:45,720 --> 00:11:48,880 Speaker 1: Haven't hear anybody complain about that? And they're like, oh, 178 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 1: I guess I've just talked to certain people. And I'm like, really, oh, 179 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:54,840 Speaker 1: well why it's like, well, because it's such a common thing. 180 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: And I briefly told them, I said, well, you know, 181 00:11:57,800 --> 00:11:59,880 Speaker 1: straight out of college instead of practicing as a there 182 00:12:00,679 --> 00:12:03,280 Speaker 1: for five years. I packed up my friends into a 183 00:12:03,400 --> 00:12:06,680 Speaker 1: van and we drove across country with my self published book. 184 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: I wrote ninety seven and nobody would publish. So I 185 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,839 Speaker 1: finally got published four years later in two thousand and one, 186 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 1: and I was out there talking and nobody invited me 187 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 1: to these conferences I would go to until it was 188 00:12:16,480 --> 00:12:18,800 Speaker 1: open mic time. I'd go up on the stage after 189 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,680 Speaker 1: I was renting a table there and sell my books 190 00:12:21,679 --> 00:12:24,559 Speaker 1: there independently and grab the open mic and just say 191 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:29,560 Speaker 1: my truth. And it got popular, and I started coming 192 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 1: on coast to coast am for twenty plus years. So 193 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:37,959 Speaker 1: if people know about the Shadow People and the hat Man, 194 00:12:38,480 --> 00:12:43,800 Speaker 1: you're welcome. It's like, should Stanley apologize that Spider Man 195 00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:48,480 Speaker 1: got popular? Saw? That's where I'm going. So anyways, I 196 00:12:48,640 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: just hard to share that because it was the first 197 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:54,400 Speaker 1: I'd heard that, so fascinating. Well, you guys, guess what 198 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:59,640 Speaker 1: we are in for a treat because we have Lester 199 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 1: the les coming here on the program, and we're going 200 00:13:03,360 --> 00:13:06,840 Speaker 1: to dive into a whole lot of interesting topics. All right, 201 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 1: you are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me. Heidi 202 00:13:10,360 --> 00:13:13,960 Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coast to Coast. They 203 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:39,520 Speaker 1: am Paranormal Podcast Network. Crowd, be right there, welcome back. 204 00:13:39,840 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 1: You are listening to Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi 205 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:46,679 Speaker 1: Hollis on the iHeart Radio and Coach the Coast. I 206 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:51,440 Speaker 1: am Paranormal Podcast Network And as promised, I have a 207 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: fabulous guest. I have Lester of a Lez who is 208 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:58,000 Speaker 1: a graduate of the University of Vermont with a bachelor's 209 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:02,120 Speaker 1: science degree in business a ministry. Beginning in September of 210 00:14:02,520 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy, he starved in the US Army as a 211 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:10,560 Speaker 1: field artillery officer and was later vice president of the 212 00:14:10,679 --> 00:14:16,360 Speaker 1: Lascomb Engineering I could be saying that wrong, Silicon Valley 213 00:14:16,440 --> 00:14:20,600 Speaker 1: Base manufacturer's representative company. He joined MOUF on the mutual 214 00:14:20,680 --> 00:14:24,520 Speaker 1: UFO network in nineteen ninety one and has held the 215 00:14:24,560 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: following positions. He was a field investigator, training coordinator for 216 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:36,640 Speaker 1: field investigators, the assistant state director in Northern California, chairman 217 00:14:36,760 --> 00:14:42,560 Speaker 1: of the ae ARC, which is the Abduction Experiencer Research Committee, 218 00:14:42,960 --> 00:14:48,280 Speaker 1: and the team leader of AART which is the abduction 219 00:14:48,520 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 1: Response team. And also during that time he became a 220 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: facilitator for an abduction support group in San Jose, California, 221 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,880 Speaker 1: and in nineteen ninety four he co founded OPUS, which 222 00:15:04,000 --> 00:15:10,320 Speaker 1: is the Organization for Paranormal Understanding and Support, a very 223 00:15:10,320 --> 00:15:13,560 Speaker 1: well respected group, I must say so, I'd like to 224 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:18,000 Speaker 1: welcome Les Viles to the show. How are you doing today? There? Les? Great? 225 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: Heidi is so happy to be with you today. Yeah. Same, 226 00:15:21,920 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: My gosh, you're I'm gonna say it right here now. 227 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: You are a super duper paranormal pioneer of sorts. I mean, 228 00:15:29,800 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 1: if it hadn't been told to you before, as you 229 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,360 Speaker 1: mentioned before we got on here, you know it now 230 00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:40,880 Speaker 1: and I recognize it. Thank you so much, honestly, I mean, gosh, 231 00:15:41,080 --> 00:15:45,760 Speaker 1: the Opus. Okay, please tell us a bit about that, 232 00:15:45,840 --> 00:15:48,480 Speaker 1: and why on earth did you get involved in doing 233 00:15:48,520 --> 00:15:52,640 Speaker 1: such a thing. Well. OPUS stands for the Organization for 234 00:15:52,840 --> 00:16:00,720 Speaker 1: Paranormal Understanding and Support, and it came about actually first 235 00:16:00,720 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 1: got started in nineteen ninety four, and we're a nonprofit 236 00:16:05,840 --> 00:16:10,560 Speaker 1: organization recognized by the IRS, and our mission simply put 237 00:16:10,600 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: us to help people having paranormal experiences. And we, you know, 238 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:21,000 Speaker 1: we have put together a team that has been able 239 00:16:21,120 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 1: to really give people that are having these types of 240 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 1: experiences the help that they need, and we do this 241 00:16:30,280 --> 00:16:35,000 Speaker 1: through three different ways. Now. The first way is that 242 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:41,760 Speaker 1: we have an online confidential support group and we have 243 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,240 Speaker 1: over three hundred people from around the world that are 244 00:16:45,280 --> 00:16:49,200 Speaker 1: talking to one another twenty four to seven, telling their stories, 245 00:16:49,240 --> 00:16:53,560 Speaker 1: asking their questions. And then we have a referral network 246 00:16:53,680 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 1: of mental health practitioners hypnotherapists. And then the third thing 247 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:01,960 Speaker 1: that we've just reach brought on board is a group 248 00:17:02,080 --> 00:17:05,399 Speaker 1: called the Experience or support team, and these are people 249 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 1: that have a lot of experience working with experiencers and 250 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,119 Speaker 1: they it's sort of a triage type of a team 251 00:17:15,760 --> 00:17:18,960 Speaker 1: where they then talk to these people and find out, 252 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:22,160 Speaker 1: you know, even if they've mentioned the fact that they 253 00:17:22,240 --> 00:17:25,639 Speaker 1: would like to be put into the support group, but 254 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: we verify the fact that, you know, that's maybe the 255 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:33,119 Speaker 1: best place for them to be um So this has 256 00:17:33,160 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 1: proved to be very beneficial for these people, especially the 257 00:17:37,200 --> 00:17:42,320 Speaker 1: support group. Knowing that they're not alone is such a 258 00:17:42,440 --> 00:17:47,280 Speaker 1: such a great relief for these people because you know, 259 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 1: most of the time they think that they're totally alone, 260 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:52,679 Speaker 1: that you know, this is not happening to anybody else, 261 00:17:53,640 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: because of course they they're afraid to talk to their 262 00:17:57,520 --> 00:18:04,800 Speaker 1: family members or clergy or you know, they're workmates. It's 263 00:18:04,840 --> 00:18:07,080 Speaker 1: the kind of thing that they're afraid that people will 264 00:18:07,160 --> 00:18:09,919 Speaker 1: think you're crazy. And a lot of these people have 265 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: gone to therapists and found out that they're not crazy. 266 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: So then what what do they do then? And that's 267 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: what we basically have provided these people a place where 268 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:28,200 Speaker 1: they can go. And our website is Opus network dot org. 269 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're having you know, poltergeist activity, 270 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:43,359 Speaker 1: contact with non human intelligences, spiritual awakening, things of that nature, 271 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: we can point you in the right direction or give 272 00:18:46,480 --> 00:18:51,320 Speaker 1: you help immediately from our site. That's amazing. You know, 273 00:18:51,760 --> 00:18:53,560 Speaker 1: I sure could have used you back in the day. 274 00:18:53,600 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 1: That's all I'm going to say. They're less because man, 275 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,760 Speaker 1: I was dealing with these shadowy things that I called 276 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,720 Speaker 1: addle people, and I'd seen UFOs. I had experienced seeing 277 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:08,280 Speaker 1: some beings in my home. Luckily I wasn't paralyzed, but 278 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:11,439 Speaker 1: I had a little run in with them, you know, 279 00:19:11,560 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 1: and lived in a haunted house, dealt with poultr Geys 280 00:19:14,480 --> 00:19:18,400 Speaker 1: on a body and it was confusing, you know. And uh, 281 00:19:19,080 --> 00:19:22,720 Speaker 1: I became a therapist myself and wrote my first book 282 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,639 Speaker 1: while I was in college in ninety seven, and it 283 00:19:25,720 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 1: was one of those those those seeking things. I kept, 284 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: you know, trying to connect the dots and then make 285 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,320 Speaker 1: it okay. Started a group. You know. It's like back 286 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:38,360 Speaker 1: in the day, you couldn't just hit a button online 287 00:19:38,359 --> 00:19:41,040 Speaker 1: and go I need help, you know, you had to 288 00:19:41,080 --> 00:19:43,120 Speaker 1: actually get out of your seat and go look for it. 289 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:45,880 Speaker 1: And you did that in a big way, and then 290 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:50,600 Speaker 1: you spread the joy. So I mean super applause to you, 291 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,639 Speaker 1: because I mean you're super ahead of your time. Well, 292 00:19:55,680 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: you know, people ask me, you know, like why how 293 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:01,399 Speaker 1: did this. I'll get started for you, and I have 294 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: to back up to when I was eleven years old, 295 00:20:04,040 --> 00:20:07,199 Speaker 1: and this is when I lived in Connecticut and I 296 00:20:07,280 --> 00:20:10,080 Speaker 1: was coming in the house. It was a late October 297 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:16,040 Speaker 1: evening and I saw this object. It was hovering over 298 00:20:16,040 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: this tree line, no no sound whatsoever, and it scared 299 00:20:20,840 --> 00:20:23,160 Speaker 1: the hell out of me. And I ran in the house, 300 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:25,639 Speaker 1: tried to get my father to come out, and I 301 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 1: finally he finally did come out, and it was gone 302 00:20:29,240 --> 00:20:32,119 Speaker 1: by then, and he says, well, it's probably just a 303 00:20:32,160 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: beacon of light reflecting off a cloud. Well I didn't 304 00:20:35,440 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: buy that, and I started reading books by Georgia Damski 305 00:20:39,600 --> 00:20:44,159 Speaker 1: back in those days, and who talked about the Venusians 306 00:20:44,240 --> 00:20:49,800 Speaker 1: and things of that nature, and so, uh, you know, I, 307 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:52,080 Speaker 1: like I say, I was really into it for a while. 308 00:20:52,080 --> 00:20:55,200 Speaker 1: But then, you know, I got older and I went 309 00:20:55,240 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: off to college, and then I venture on graduation, got 310 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:07,639 Speaker 1: married and went in the service. I went through the 311 00:21:07,720 --> 00:21:14,119 Speaker 1: ROTC program and eventually had a couple of children. In 312 00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: the nineteen eighty five, moved from Connecticut to California, and 313 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 1: I picked up the paper one day, the San joseber 314 00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: Cary News as it was called back then, and Stanton 315 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:28,160 Speaker 1: Freeman was going to talk about UFOs and the government 316 00:21:28,200 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: cover up. And it was like somebody threw a switch. 317 00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,359 Speaker 1: It was like, oh my god, this is you know this. 318 00:21:34,840 --> 00:21:37,920 Speaker 1: I've got to go see this guy. And so I 319 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:44,119 Speaker 1: peers right, Oh my god, yes, fantastic man. Unfortunately he's 320 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:48,399 Speaker 1: gone now too, and so he gave one of his 321 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: inimitable presentations, and I was really excited. And on my 322 00:21:53,640 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: way out, this organization called mouf On Mutual UFO Network 323 00:21:59,040 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: had a table there and so they produce a monthly journal, 324 00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: and so I decided, I'm going to start getting a 325 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:16,240 Speaker 1: journal which talks about UFO sightings and investigations that they do, 326 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 1: and so that was okay for a while, but then 327 00:22:18,840 --> 00:22:21,640 Speaker 1: I finally decided I wanted to become a field investigator, 328 00:22:21,640 --> 00:22:25,240 Speaker 1: and I passed the test and started to go out 329 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:28,960 Speaker 1: in the field with a more seasoned person. But all 330 00:22:28,960 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: the cases, almost without exception, turned out to be not 331 00:22:31,600 --> 00:22:34,800 Speaker 1: only sightings, but these people telling us that they've had 332 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:40,040 Speaker 1: contact with non human intelligences, and so that really started 333 00:22:40,080 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 1: to get my interest. And then these people would ask 334 00:22:43,840 --> 00:22:47,800 Speaker 1: me did I know of other people having similar circumstances, 335 00:22:47,800 --> 00:22:50,639 Speaker 1: and I said, yes, I do. And so next thing 336 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 1: I'm doing, I'm facilitating a support group in San Jose 337 00:22:53,640 --> 00:23:00,399 Speaker 1: and my office. So yeah, amazing, it's amazing. And you 338 00:23:00,480 --> 00:23:04,160 Speaker 1: started to find that a lot of these uh things 339 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,840 Speaker 1: that that people were reporting were interconnected. I mean, because 340 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:10,480 Speaker 1: you don't just stop at one type of experience, you're 341 00:23:10,560 --> 00:23:15,160 Speaker 1: kind of open up the discussion for everything. Correct absolutely, 342 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: and and that that is, you know, I firmly believe 343 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:20,960 Speaker 1: that all these things are connected, whether you talk about 344 00:23:21,000 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 1: shadow people, whether you talk about light beings orbs, grays um, 345 00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:29,320 Speaker 1: this whole realm. You know, once you go down that 346 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 1: rabbit hole, it's it's pretty incredible, and uh, you know, 347 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: these people are telling you stories that you know, in 348 00:23:39,320 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: balance are very similar, but then they have all kinds 349 00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:46,879 Speaker 1: of nuances with it. And but the bottom line is 350 00:23:46,960 --> 00:23:50,480 Speaker 1: they're having some type of inexperience, whether it might be 351 00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: out of body type of experience you know, astral travel, 352 00:23:55,320 --> 00:24:02,840 Speaker 1: if you will, but or physical physical experiences that manifest 353 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:07,959 Speaker 1: and marks on the body, implants and things of that nature. 354 00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:14,159 Speaker 1: Right exactly, you know, mentioning the shadow people from the start, 355 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:18,480 Speaker 1: I've discussed their connection directly to some of these alien 356 00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:20,960 Speaker 1: beings and how they've been seen right alongside of them. 357 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:25,119 Speaker 1: Sometimes have you come across stories like that in that 358 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,919 Speaker 1: particular case, I don't think so, but I would believe 359 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:33,919 Speaker 1: that it's totally possible that these things interact with one another. 360 00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: It could be you know a lot of times that 361 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,920 Speaker 1: you hear about the fact that a person has brought 362 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:43,880 Speaker 1: on board a craft by a small gray and then 363 00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:47,600 Speaker 1: there's a large gray there. But then there's a man 364 00:24:47,760 --> 00:24:51,560 Speaker 1: this type of a creature that may be there as well, 365 00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 1: or a Nordic or a man in military uniform. I mean, 366 00:24:56,359 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: this thing starts to really, you know, multiply as far 367 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:03,239 Speaker 1: as the people that are involved with it. So I 368 00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:06,720 Speaker 1: would certainly believe that that is possible that you have 369 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 1: two different entities that are interacting, and you know, are 370 00:25:13,280 --> 00:25:15,159 Speaker 1: they all good? Are they all bad? I think we 371 00:25:15,240 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: have both. I think you have even within species, you 372 00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,040 Speaker 1: have good ones and you have bad ones. You've been 373 00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:24,399 Speaker 1: on this planet. How about that? Yeah, exactly, it is 374 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: exactly the same thing. Human's got issues. Well, we've got 375 00:25:29,119 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: to get to our next break. You are listening to 376 00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,520 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio 377 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: a Coast to Coast am para normal podcast network. Stick around, 378 00:25:40,200 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: We'll be right back. Welcome back. You are listening to 379 00:26:01,200 --> 00:26:04,840 Speaker 1: Dark Becomes Light with me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio 380 00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:09,119 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast ay AM para normal podcast network. 381 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:12,720 Speaker 1: I have less Valez and we are speaking on everything 382 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: out of the ordinary and how Opus has helped so 383 00:26:16,600 --> 00:26:20,800 Speaker 1: many people from so many walks of life. I'm curious 384 00:26:20,840 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: if you've had people who have come to you about 385 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:28,240 Speaker 1: such things as near death experiences or angelic encounters and 386 00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: what's that's been like. Well, it's interesting that you brought 387 00:26:32,520 --> 00:26:35,639 Speaker 1: that up, because most of a lot of the people 388 00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:39,600 Speaker 1: that do come to us talk about having had a 389 00:26:39,680 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: near death experience. There's a story I want to tell 390 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:48,000 Speaker 1: you about. It relates to how Opus got started, but 391 00:26:48,119 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: it goes back into near death experience question. I had 392 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,480 Speaker 1: been written up in the Monterey Coast Weekly paper. This 393 00:26:56,760 --> 00:27:01,200 Speaker 1: reporter had talked to Mouf on hit quarters and asked 394 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,520 Speaker 1: if for the name of someone that he could talk 395 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: to about the UFO thing. And so they evidently gave 396 00:27:11,160 --> 00:27:14,320 Speaker 1: this reporter my name. He came out, he interviewed me 397 00:27:14,640 --> 00:27:17,400 Speaker 1: and ended up putting my head on it. I mean, 398 00:27:17,480 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 1: it was really weird, my head on the front cover 399 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:24,680 Speaker 1: of this weekly paper. In that same article, there was 400 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 1: a woman that was written up with her capabilities that 401 00:27:29,560 --> 00:27:33,640 Speaker 1: she had, and she contacted me said to me, I'd 402 00:27:33,640 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: like to understand what's going on with my brain waves 403 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:41,040 Speaker 1: when I'm in contact with these off earthly entities. You know. 404 00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:44,200 Speaker 1: I kind of scratched my head figuratively and saying, well, 405 00:27:44,359 --> 00:27:46,520 Speaker 1: you know, how am I going to possibly help this person? 406 00:27:47,119 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: And then she said she was working with an emergency 407 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:53,720 Speaker 1: room doctor don and Carmel, And so that really piqued 408 00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:56,439 Speaker 1: my interest because I had a doctor friend by the 409 00:27:56,520 --> 00:28:01,440 Speaker 1: name of Eugene Lipson that was interesting, and meeting other doctors, 410 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,600 Speaker 1: I called them up and I said, you know, why 411 00:28:05,600 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: don't we take a trip down and visit with this 412 00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:11,919 Speaker 1: lady and see see what we could possibly do or 413 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,000 Speaker 1: to better understand what it is that's happening to her. 414 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: So we did, and as we walked into her home, 415 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 1: there was a picture on the wall and it was 416 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,280 Speaker 1: her standing on the back of this boat, a rather 417 00:28:25,440 --> 00:28:29,640 Speaker 1: large vessel, and I said, what's this all about. Well, 418 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 1: that was when I was down in the Caribbean helping 419 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,359 Speaker 1: these treasure hunters. And I said what, yeah, I was 420 00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,359 Speaker 1: helping these treasures. Well, how are you helping them? Just 421 00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:40,160 Speaker 1: while I was in contact with the captain of the 422 00:28:40,200 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: galleon that had gone down. So that, of course kind 423 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:51,160 Speaker 1: of blew us away. And what we came to find 424 00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:55,000 Speaker 1: out that after a near death experience, she had become 425 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 1: very psychic, and so she began to tell us things 426 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: about ourselves that afternoon. That there was no possible way 427 00:29:02,920 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: that she could know that because she didn't know us 428 00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,920 Speaker 1: from Adam, you know, and the article didn't say anything 429 00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:13,080 Speaker 1: about my background other than you know, my involvement with 430 00:29:13,280 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: move On. So yeah, so we came away that afternoon, 431 00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:20,960 Speaker 1: and we stopped at a Hamburger joint and decided, how 432 00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 1: can we possibly help people like this? And because we 433 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: were you know, I had already been doing the support 434 00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,840 Speaker 1: group in San Jose and and and Jean was doing 435 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:35,680 Speaker 1: some similar things up in his area. And so that 436 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: was the afternoon that opus was hatched. The rest is history, 437 00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: so to speak, but near death experiences does come up 438 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:51,160 Speaker 1: a lot that afterwards people become very psychic. They have 439 00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: a whole different worldview afterwards, especially with the contacts that 440 00:29:56,600 --> 00:30:03,320 Speaker 1: they make during these experiences. Another doctor, and you might 441 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:07,400 Speaker 1: have heard of this story. She was taking a kayaking 442 00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:13,400 Speaker 1: adventure down South America and she went over this falls 443 00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,080 Speaker 1: and got trapped at the bottom of the falls for 444 00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:21,520 Speaker 1: over thirty minutes. And during that time she saw these 445 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:26,479 Speaker 1: entities and she felt this incredible love coming her way, 446 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:30,080 Speaker 1: and so she decided that she wanted to go with them. 447 00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,280 Speaker 1: And then they said no, no, no no, you have things 448 00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,200 Speaker 1: that you have to do. You have to go back, 449 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: and she survived. One of the things that these entities 450 00:30:39,600 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: also told her was that her son, who was little 451 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:50,400 Speaker 1: at the time, when he turned eighteen, would succumb, would die. 452 00:30:50,600 --> 00:30:54,240 Speaker 1: Of course, that shook her up quite a bit, but 453 00:30:54,360 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: she never said anything to her son, and because she 454 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:04,040 Speaker 1: probably didn't believe it. Anyway, when he turned eighteen, shortly thereafter, 455 00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:07,760 Speaker 1: he got in a car accident and died. So I 456 00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: mean near death psychic abilities, involvement with entities, healings that 457 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: go on when you when you are in contact with them. Uh, 458 00:31:23,240 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you know the name 459 00:31:26,640 --> 00:31:30,719 Speaker 1: major Major. Oh goodness, I'm losing it right now. Anyway, 460 00:31:30,720 --> 00:31:33,720 Speaker 1: he was in charge of the malsterm Air Force Base 461 00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:38,280 Speaker 1: when all the missiles were shut down, and he was 462 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 1: at a presentation that I made at the move On 463 00:31:42,480 --> 00:31:45,800 Speaker 1: symposium two years ago in Las Vegas. This was an 464 00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:51,000 Speaker 1: experiencer's meeting, and he brought his wife along with him, 465 00:31:51,040 --> 00:31:53,680 Speaker 1: And after I did the presentation, he came up to 466 00:31:53,720 --> 00:31:55,479 Speaker 1: me and said, can I talk to you, you know, 467 00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,760 Speaker 1: in private afterwards? And so I said sure, um, And 468 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:05,240 Speaker 1: and I was sitting at my table in an exhibitor 469 00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: area hawking my book. I wish, well, we'll talk about 470 00:32:13,360 --> 00:32:16,960 Speaker 1: the unknown other and he tells me that he had 471 00:32:17,000 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 1: an experience along with his wife, and when they came 472 00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:26,080 Speaker 1: back after this experience, she was able to heal people. 473 00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:31,480 Speaker 1: The ability to heal was not only something that happens 474 00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,280 Speaker 1: with you, but you can also become a healer. So 475 00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:41,200 Speaker 1: how do these things happen? You know, we don't understand 476 00:32:41,320 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 1: so much about this phenomena, and yeah it is. And 477 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,800 Speaker 1: you know, you have the majority of people that are 478 00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:57,040 Speaker 1: having these experience, it's probably seventy percent or so that 479 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,080 Speaker 1: want these experiences to continue. Certainly, in the beginning, all 480 00:33:02,080 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: these experiencers are quite traumatic, but there's a process that 481 00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: goes on and then eventually they become accustomed to it, 482 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: and then when it stops, it's almost like the Stockholm syndrome. 483 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: It's like, where did they go? Why aren't they coming 484 00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: back from me? And so that that's some interesting things 485 00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:23,880 Speaker 1: and one of the other things that Opus does. We're 486 00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: in a process of doing another research project. We did 487 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:32,240 Speaker 1: the first one back in two thousand and seven, which 488 00:33:32,320 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: was funded by Moufon called the Omega three study, where 489 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:39,800 Speaker 1: we took seventy one experiencers and fifty one people that 490 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: were a control group, and we basically had them take 491 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:49,680 Speaker 1: various psychological tests and came away with the fact that 492 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:56,640 Speaker 1: these people did not have a psychopathology. Their worldview changes dramatically. 493 00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: In other words, Hey, we need to be better stewards 494 00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:02,320 Speaker 1: of the it, we need to be better to one another, 495 00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:05,160 Speaker 1: we need to be more loving. These are all wonderful, 496 00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:13,279 Speaker 1: wonderful things. And there's also changes in the temporal lobe 497 00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:17,719 Speaker 1: activity versus the control group, and that's another factor that 498 00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:23,279 Speaker 1: I think is being looked at by some scientists at 499 00:34:23,280 --> 00:34:28,120 Speaker 1: the present time trying to better understand how that is 500 00:34:29,000 --> 00:34:34,200 Speaker 1: part of this process. And now we're in the second 501 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: phase of the Omega four study. The first phase was 502 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:42,200 Speaker 1: where we went out to therapists and had them take 503 00:34:43,280 --> 00:34:49,279 Speaker 1: this survey and we came away with some interesting information 504 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:55,160 Speaker 1: there too, which is actually published on our website. And 505 00:34:55,920 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: number one, most activity does involve the grave as far 506 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,719 Speaker 1: as contact with non human intelligences. The second thing that 507 00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 1: comes up is orbs. People talk about orbs. Third, the 508 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:14,840 Speaker 1: third thing that comes up is interdimensionals. And then the 509 00:35:14,880 --> 00:35:18,279 Speaker 1: fourth thing that comes up is poulter geist activity. And 510 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:22,520 Speaker 1: poltergeist activity can take the form of a lot of 511 00:35:22,560 --> 00:35:30,320 Speaker 1: different things, shadow people probably along with it. So yeah, 512 00:35:30,360 --> 00:35:35,760 Speaker 1: it's fascinating. There's so many nooks and crannies to investigate 513 00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,040 Speaker 1: in all this, but the bottom line, there's something going on. 514 00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:44,920 Speaker 1: These people are not crazy, And you know the big question, 515 00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,640 Speaker 1: what is it? Is it extraterrestrial in nature? Is it 516 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 1: interdimensional in nature? Is it time travelers? Is it the military? 517 00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: Or is it all the above, which I kind of 518 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: think it is and probably anything else you can possibly 519 00:35:57,840 --> 00:36:00,279 Speaker 1: think of, right, you know. One of the question that 520 00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:02,799 Speaker 1: I have when it comes to the alien beings. I mean, 521 00:36:02,840 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: there's a lot of gray involvement. But I have heard 522 00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,959 Speaker 1: and witness myself people that absolutely went through so many 523 00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: horrible experiences with these beings, and then they would teach them, 524 00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 1: you know, something positive, and they're like, um, okay, I 525 00:36:17,920 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 1: wanted to kill them before, but now they're teaching me things. 526 00:36:21,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 1: So I guess I'm okay with it. And I'm like, 527 00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:24,760 Speaker 1: hold on, you slep with a gun under your pillow, 528 00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,719 Speaker 1: I remember you, you know. So, do you think there's 529 00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:31,239 Speaker 1: a conflict and alien contact? Are they masking themselves to 530 00:36:31,239 --> 00:36:33,759 Speaker 1: appear as one thing so you let your guard down, 531 00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:36,080 Speaker 1: they take advantage, and then they reward you with a 532 00:36:36,120 --> 00:36:39,560 Speaker 1: cookie or something. I mean, what's going on if? Yeah? Yeah, 533 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:45,520 Speaker 1: it's the old carrot and stick of philosophy, right, Yeah. 534 00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,080 Speaker 1: I think what it is is that It depends on 535 00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:53,840 Speaker 1: the group that you're dealing with. I think i've you know, 536 00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:57,120 Speaker 1: there's both sides of this story, you know. You know, 537 00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:02,600 Speaker 1: if you believe they're greer, uh, that they believe everything 538 00:37:02,760 --> 00:37:06,720 Speaker 1: is positive, no, no issues, and then you have the 539 00:37:06,719 --> 00:37:11,080 Speaker 1: the uh, the David Jacobs and Bud Hopkins that said 540 00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:15,360 Speaker 1: they're all bad. It's a mixture. It's absolutely a mixture. 541 00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:22,000 Speaker 1: And so it's very difficult, you know too. And again, 542 00:37:22,800 --> 00:37:25,719 Speaker 1: based on our studies and other studies that have gone 543 00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,960 Speaker 1: on the Free study, for instance, most of the people 544 00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,960 Speaker 1: are coming away with with positive feelings about it. But 545 00:37:33,040 --> 00:37:36,920 Speaker 1: certainly that that initial phase, that initial phase where you 546 00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:40,799 Speaker 1: put on a table, you're probe to every orifice. Yeah, 547 00:37:40,840 --> 00:37:45,400 Speaker 1: and you know, siemens taken, eggs are taken, you know, 548 00:37:45,840 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: implants are put in you. Uh that that is pretty bad, 549 00:37:50,560 --> 00:37:53,279 Speaker 1: pretty pretty horrible. What we're going to get to our 550 00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:56,000 Speaker 1: next break. You guys, you are listening to Dark Becomes 551 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,239 Speaker 1: Light with Me Heidi Hollis on the iHeartRadio and Coast 552 00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:20,520 Speaker 1: to Coast ay AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back. You 553 00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 1: are listening to Dark Becomes Light with Me Heidi Hollis 554 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast ay Am Parenormal 555 00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,399 Speaker 1: Podcast network Less. You made a really good point that 556 00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:36,280 Speaker 1: you know, definitely it does appear to be that there's 557 00:38:36,840 --> 00:38:40,080 Speaker 1: a conflict or it's it's like a whole mishmash of 558 00:38:40,360 --> 00:38:43,759 Speaker 1: so many different elements when it comes to what's the 559 00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:47,840 Speaker 1: being's agenda is? And I always call it like a 560 00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,759 Speaker 1: secret war, if you will. It's like, you know, I 561 00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 1: feel that if these things can shape shift to make 562 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,320 Speaker 1: themselves appear as one thing or another. I mean, who's 563 00:38:56,320 --> 00:38:58,960 Speaker 1: to say, who's standing before you? When one group did 564 00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,279 Speaker 1: something horrible to you and another one that looks just 565 00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:05,880 Speaker 1: like them, you know, they're they're absolutely different, they're absolutely peaceful, 566 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:09,160 Speaker 1: and I can't help to wonder if one is masking, 567 00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:13,000 Speaker 1: you know. It's like if that's the problem going on. Yeah, 568 00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:18,880 Speaker 1: I think that again, it's a very complicated subject, you know, 569 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:23,400 Speaker 1: to understand what's their agenda, Well, there's so many different groups, 570 00:39:23,960 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: you know, so you have to look at, you know, 571 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,279 Speaker 1: a particular group to then try to understand if there 572 00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:33,799 Speaker 1: is an agenda. And here's what I like to say 573 00:39:33,840 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: about this whole thing. I think it's almost like a 574 00:39:38,440 --> 00:39:45,560 Speaker 1: school for the aliens. In other words, they have generations, 575 00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,719 Speaker 1: you know, that come and go, and so when they 576 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:53,439 Speaker 1: have a new generation that needs to be taught how 577 00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:58,399 Speaker 1: to investigate the human race, they come down. They do 578 00:39:58,440 --> 00:40:00,759 Speaker 1: the same thing because you hear tie them in time. Again. Well, 579 00:40:00,800 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: if they're so smart, they all they need is one sample, 580 00:40:03,920 --> 00:40:07,120 Speaker 1: one person, they got it all figured out. Well, then 581 00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,040 Speaker 1: that they they they it's and then they're doing things. 582 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,040 Speaker 1: You know, we do the same thing. We take a dolphin, 583 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,080 Speaker 1: for instance, we pull them out of the water, we 584 00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:22,200 Speaker 1: tag them, we take a blood sample, we measure them, uh, 585 00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 1: we throw them back in the water. And then a 586 00:40:24,080 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 1: year later, we we've we've we capture them again, we 587 00:40:27,600 --> 00:40:29,879 Speaker 1: pull them out of the out of the water, put 588 00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,719 Speaker 1: them on the boat, do the same thing over and 589 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:37,440 Speaker 1: over and over again and and so you know, I 590 00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:41,920 Speaker 1: think it's a learning process that's going on. And you know, 591 00:40:41,960 --> 00:40:45,560 Speaker 1: we're not at the top of the food chain unfortunately, 592 00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,919 Speaker 1: right there's some hungry big foot out there. I know that, Yeah, 593 00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:56,640 Speaker 1: absolutely so. So, I mean, yeah, it's really difficult to pinpoint, 594 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:00,920 Speaker 1: if you will, that they have some nefarious agenda by 595 00:41:00,960 --> 00:41:04,319 Speaker 1: you know, hoodwinking us and having a shape. And they 596 00:41:04,360 --> 00:41:07,560 Speaker 1: do this certainly to in a lot of cases to 597 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:10,560 Speaker 1: make it more palatable for the person that's experience and 598 00:41:10,680 --> 00:41:13,040 Speaker 1: you know, show up as a teddy bear, if you will, 599 00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,120 Speaker 1: or an owl or a deer instead of a little 600 00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:21,280 Speaker 1: gray um that kind of thing. But the bottom line 601 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,320 Speaker 1: is that they all seem to be doing the same 602 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:28,160 Speaker 1: same thing. Yeah, and there's probably groups that they don't 603 00:41:28,200 --> 00:41:32,040 Speaker 1: you know, do have a nefarious agenda that you know, 604 00:41:32,080 --> 00:41:35,960 Speaker 1: they're not being u sports right. Well, I don't understand 605 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:38,480 Speaker 1: how some can think, well, they all have to be 606 00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:41,160 Speaker 1: really positive because they got here somehow. I'm like, look, 607 00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,440 Speaker 1: there's some really smart dudes out there that were serial 608 00:41:43,520 --> 00:41:46,640 Speaker 1: killers too. You know. It's like, why do I have 609 00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:49,080 Speaker 1: to kombay out with them? If I think something there 610 00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:53,400 Speaker 1: might be something wrong. I remember somebody very very famous 611 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,759 Speaker 1: read my book The Secret War, and based on the 612 00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 1: conflict and alien contact with you know, some of them 613 00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:01,399 Speaker 1: are good, some of them are bad, and shadow people 614 00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:04,719 Speaker 1: are in the middle and uh and this this researcher 615 00:42:04,800 --> 00:42:06,880 Speaker 1: is like, you know, go and throw this in the 616 00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:09,840 Speaker 1: garbage to start all over again, because there's not a 617 00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,520 Speaker 1: single bad alien out there in the universe. I'm like, what, 618 00:42:14,760 --> 00:42:18,160 Speaker 1: I couldn't believe it couldn't believe it. Yeah, yeah, it's 619 00:42:18,320 --> 00:42:21,360 Speaker 1: it's like I would never think that's okay to push 620 00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:24,600 Speaker 1: your opinion on someone. And I'm sure that's not anything 621 00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:27,239 Speaker 1: that you guys do. You try to help them grow 622 00:42:27,239 --> 00:42:33,400 Speaker 1: in the situation. Correct. Oh, absolutely, I mean we're we're neutral, Okay, 623 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:38,560 Speaker 1: we listen to their stories. We don't you know, uh, 624 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:42,680 Speaker 1: make a judgment. We try to help them with whatever 625 00:42:42,800 --> 00:42:48,000 Speaker 1: we can, whether it's a support group, uh, a mental 626 00:42:48,040 --> 00:42:52,520 Speaker 1: health practitioner, a hypnotherapist, or now talking with a triage 627 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,640 Speaker 1: person in our est group. Um so uh yeah, and 628 00:42:57,680 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: that's that's that's a horrible thing to do to a 629 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:03,560 Speaker 1: person about it? Yeah, it really is. I mean so 630 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,560 Speaker 1: many people, you know. I always tell people it's like 631 00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,960 Speaker 1: if I listen to the folks that I really admired, 632 00:43:10,800 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: you know that we're close and far, you know, and 633 00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:16,680 Speaker 1: just believed everything that was told to me or ordered 634 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,600 Speaker 1: of me, I would have never taken the steps that 635 00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: I did to you know, put something else out there 636 00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:25,560 Speaker 1: on the map. And it's like, I think it's important 637 00:43:25,600 --> 00:43:28,720 Speaker 1: that we all kind of pick and choose what's healthy 638 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: and what fits in our narrative to be acceptable. We 639 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:35,360 Speaker 1: don't have to follow a certain pattern to express ourselves 640 00:43:35,360 --> 00:43:39,560 Speaker 1: in this field and understand it absolutely. And one of 641 00:43:39,600 --> 00:43:43,120 Speaker 1: the reasons why I put the book out the last year, 642 00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:48,120 Speaker 1: The Unknown Other and the Existential Proposition of Alien Contact, 643 00:43:48,160 --> 00:43:51,120 Speaker 1: which you could actually see on our website on the 644 00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: homepage and also it's available on Amazon. Basically, it's an 645 00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:03,000 Speaker 1: overview of the topic contact with non human intelligences with 646 00:44:03,080 --> 00:44:09,480 Speaker 1: all the physical psychological aspects of it, and then including 647 00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:16,000 Speaker 1: the military aspects of it, and the government UAP report 648 00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:19,240 Speaker 1: that came out, and then of course the full full 649 00:44:19,719 --> 00:44:22,520 Speaker 1: analysis of the OMEGA three study which is in there 650 00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:29,160 Speaker 1: in the appendix where we interviewed seventy one experiencers and 651 00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:34,840 Speaker 1: compared them to fifty one control people. So yeah, I 652 00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:39,640 Speaker 1: wanted to put something out there that would be good 653 00:44:39,680 --> 00:44:45,239 Speaker 1: for not only the general public, but also for therapists 654 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:48,920 Speaker 1: that are not familiar with the topic. And that's one 655 00:44:48,960 --> 00:44:51,719 Speaker 1: thing we're trying to do in a big way now 656 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:56,879 Speaker 1: is we're reaching out to more therapists to try to 657 00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:01,640 Speaker 1: educate them on this topic and then hopefully have them 658 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,200 Speaker 1: be part of the provider network. Of course, you would 659 00:45:06,200 --> 00:45:11,600 Speaker 1: be an absolutely a wonderful edition, um well, for sure, 660 00:45:12,120 --> 00:45:19,200 Speaker 1: sure and so I I think that you know, this 661 00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:23,400 Speaker 1: thing is not going to stop. It's been going on forever. 662 00:45:23,680 --> 00:45:26,360 Speaker 1: And my latest theory on all of this is the fact, 663 00:45:27,200 --> 00:45:32,719 Speaker 1: whether we consciously know it or not, I think all 664 00:45:32,760 --> 00:45:38,319 Speaker 1: of us are experiencers. And I got to tell you 665 00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:42,560 Speaker 1: this story that happened. One day in the support group. 666 00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,720 Speaker 1: A person said to me said, Hey, I've seen you before. 667 00:45:46,800 --> 00:45:50,000 Speaker 1: Are they really or at a UFO conference a grocery store. 668 00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: They said, no, no no, no, I saw you on board 669 00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,600 Speaker 1: the craft. Oh really, And I kind of I kind 670 00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:59,239 Speaker 1: of blew it off, you know, I I just it 671 00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:02,879 Speaker 1: didn't it didn't sit with me, you know very well, 672 00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 1: but you know, I just I just didn't believe it. 673 00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:07,560 Speaker 1: But then it was like a year, a year and 674 00:46:07,600 --> 00:46:10,680 Speaker 1: a half later, a totally different person, a different support 675 00:46:10,719 --> 00:46:13,799 Speaker 1: group meeting, said I've seen you before. I said the 676 00:46:13,840 --> 00:46:17,399 Speaker 1: same thing. I said, where the UFO conference, grocery store? No, no, no, no, 677 00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:21,640 Speaker 1: you were sitting on this bench naked on board the 678 00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:23,960 Speaker 1: craft and you were freaking out. And they told me 679 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: to go over to you to calm you down. Oh great. 680 00:46:29,320 --> 00:46:35,080 Speaker 1: So I at that point, at that point, I decided 681 00:46:35,120 --> 00:46:40,640 Speaker 1: to go get regressed. And I had three separate regressions 682 00:46:41,200 --> 00:46:48,680 Speaker 1: two different people, and nothing like that came up. However, 683 00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:54,000 Speaker 1: I had numerous past lives, numerous past lives and which 684 00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:57,880 Speaker 1: were so real I was I was crying and a 685 00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:02,120 Speaker 1: number of them, you know, because the feelings were so 686 00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:10,080 Speaker 1: tremendously overwhelming. Uh and uh So anyway, it was probably 687 00:47:10,200 --> 00:47:12,840 Speaker 1: another year later that I told this story to someone 688 00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,600 Speaker 1: and they said, well, you know, maybe this person picked 689 00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:19,959 Speaker 1: up on something that happened in a previous life. Maybe 690 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,919 Speaker 1: we're abducted in a previous life, and that's that's what 691 00:47:23,080 --> 00:47:28,759 Speaker 1: this person was seeing in some way, shape or form. Yeah, 692 00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:31,120 Speaker 1: and you know, it's it's funny. I had a group 693 00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:33,480 Speaker 1: for fifteen years and people would pop in and they 694 00:47:33,520 --> 00:47:36,640 Speaker 1: would recognize each other and say these things and and 695 00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,399 Speaker 1: uh sometimes they would say, you know, yeah, you look 696 00:47:40,440 --> 00:47:44,000 Speaker 1: familiar too. So it's interesting though, you know, it's like, 697 00:47:45,040 --> 00:47:48,320 Speaker 1: I don't understand, you know, how that always connects, because 698 00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,799 Speaker 1: like myself, I was told, oh, you're abducted, you have 699 00:47:51,040 --> 00:47:54,880 Speaker 1: hybrid children. No, I don't. I've never been abducted. You know, 700 00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:58,200 Speaker 1: I don't know where this is coming from. But yeah, fascinating. 701 00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:01,880 Speaker 1: So if people are experiencing anything out of the ordinary. 702 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:04,200 Speaker 1: How can they reach out to you guys and get 703 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: some help. Well, the easiest thing to do is just 704 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:13,800 Speaker 1: to hit our website Opus network dot org. There's a big, 705 00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,640 Speaker 1: big support button on there, and then what we ask 706 00:48:16,719 --> 00:48:20,279 Speaker 1: you is just a few questions. You know, your name, 707 00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:24,719 Speaker 1: your email address, and tell us about your story a 708 00:48:24,719 --> 00:48:27,279 Speaker 1: bit of it, uh, you don't have to go into 709 00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:31,359 Speaker 1: great detail. And then that automatically goes out to three 710 00:48:31,360 --> 00:48:38,200 Speaker 1: people in our organization, myself included, and you can choose 711 00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:43,600 Speaker 1: from either being put into the support group or going 712 00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,280 Speaker 1: to a triage member of the est or having them 713 00:48:48,280 --> 00:48:54,200 Speaker 1: contact you. And then once the triage person talks to 714 00:48:54,520 --> 00:49:00,400 Speaker 1: the experiencer, we then can find out if it would 715 00:49:00,400 --> 00:49:06,360 Speaker 1: like to have a hypnotherapist you know, a name given 716 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:10,040 Speaker 1: to them, or do they need a mental health practitioner 717 00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:15,479 Speaker 1: that they would like to see. So um again it's 718 00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:21,320 Speaker 1: opusnetwork dot org. Yeah, thank you so much for coming 719 00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:25,000 Speaker 1: on the program and sharing your knowledge and your services. 720 00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,879 Speaker 1: Pioneer Les Valles, thank you, thank you so much, Hide 721 00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:33,320 Speaker 1: I really appreciate it. Amazing work by an amazing guy. 722 00:49:33,680 --> 00:49:36,000 Speaker 1: You know, guys, we have come to the bottom of 723 00:49:36,040 --> 00:49:40,080 Speaker 1: another fabulous program. 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