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Speaker 2: writer Colin Wilson, a guy that loves to bet San

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Speaker 2: What's your takeaway from this lackluster Week eight slate that

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Speaker 2: still had some teams in the top twenty five losing

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Speaker 2: some really bad play by you know, some of the

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Speaker 4: What's your takeaway if you're keeping track of this? And

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Speaker 4: I had to ask a couple of buddies to make

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Speaker 4: sure the right number. We're up to fifty two ranked

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Speaker 4: teams that have lost this year, and we just got

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Speaker 4: through week nine. So myself and my co voters and

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Speaker 4: the Associated Press poll, we must suck at ranking teams

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Speaker 4: that have fifty two ranked teams lose this early. Obviously,

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Speaker 4: some of those are head to head, so you can't

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Speaker 4: count those really. And then also, you know, we're getting

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Speaker 4: close to that time where people start kind of jockeying

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Speaker 4: for bowl position. Third we've got eighty two. We need

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Speaker 4: eighty two teams to fill out the Bowl massive Bowl schedule.

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Speaker 4: As of right now, we've got thirty teams that are

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Speaker 4: That's how many coaches have been fired. We're not even

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Speaker 4: to Halloween, Colin, and I think we could end up

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Speaker 4: end of the season. It will be a fascinating time

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Speaker 4: because coming off COVID, I think a lot of schools

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Speaker 2: It's it's interesting you say that because, as you know,

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Speaker 2: as a guy that's an Arkansas alum, whoo pick silly.

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Speaker 2: Nobody thought that you could fire a coach after two years.

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Speaker 2: You got to give the coach three years, get his

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Speaker 2: own recruits in there. That's that was the thinking when

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Speaker 2: So is that the new standard now, like give me

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Speaker 4: I think what LSU is doing, which they learned their

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Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, well you got you got personal experience there.

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Speaker 4: So that's what LSU did because you know, look, coach

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Speaker 4: And I think part of it's because the early signing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because you want to have a and if you guys,

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Speaker 2: you think that this was a comfortable move because Sonny

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Speaker 4: I think he'll get consideration, But I think I think

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Speaker 4: the clear cut number one target is Sonny Dikes at SMU.

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Speaker 4: His dad is former Tech coach Spike Dykes. He was

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Speaker 4: next week or so about coaches that use these analytics.

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Speaker 4: They use an analytics service to basically determine, based on

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Speaker 4: fascinating him to explaining it to me. And he's like,

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Speaker 4: I can tell my offensive coordinator, hey, you got four

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Speaker 4: They have Houston this week, They've got Cincinnati coming up.

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Speaker 4: If I'm the king at Texas Tech, I make a hard,

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Speaker 4: hard run at Sonny Dyke's because he just makes too

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's a really good point that you made about

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Speaker 4: Yeah, he gave me that exact exact example. He's like, Brad,

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Speaker 4: if we're at third and ten, we know we're going

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Speaker 2: Well, you're killing us in the analytics world when you're

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Speaker 2: huge game at Utah. I project Utah to be favored

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Speaker 2: Brett McMurphy was in his thirties. I don't know, but

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Speaker 2: So really good job by organ But I think teams

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Speaker 4: Man, I hope you're right calling because when we talked

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Speaker 4: they'll be in that fourteen mix. I know there's a

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Speaker 2: I can feel the people I follow that are Pack

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Speaker 2: We'll move on to you know Pitt Pitt beats Clemson,

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Speaker 4: I'll say this, I would take Georgia, and I think

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Speaker 4: So that's not a great resume. But they've just dominated

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if you're out there considering a pit ticket, just

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Speaker 4: You know, it can happen anywhere. And I think it's

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Speaker 2: All right, it's a bit of news. The roundtable continues

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Speaker 2: Old Dominion Marshall Southern Miss James Madison headed to the

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Speaker 4: No freaking way.

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Speaker 2: I can't keep up with it? Can you help me here?

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Speaker 4: Well, first, a little quick question for you. How many

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Speaker 2: So for the record, I think it's eighteen points right correct,

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Speaker 4: Actually, no, it's sixteen because you have you forgot the

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Speaker 2: Poor Conference USA, because that was one of the more

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Speaker 4: Well, it's that easy, but the schools have to want

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Speaker 4: schools did not go to a bowl game. You have

434
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Speaker 4: to go all the way back to nineteen sixty when

435
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Speaker 4: none of those schools went to a bowl game. And

436
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Speaker 4: then also, if you're a USC and you're competing to

437
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Speaker 4: play in Sun Bowl, the Holiday Bowl, the Los Angeles Bowl,

438
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Speaker 4: first responderbl are you really if you're at USC, are

439
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Speaker 4: you really going to be jacked up to playing that game?

440
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Speaker 4: Absolutely not. I mean, if you have any pro potential,

441
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Speaker 4: you were going to go. So you're not going to

442
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Speaker 4: play in the Bowl game. You're going to start getting

443
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Speaker 4: ready for the NFL. Actually talked to a bowl executive

444
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Speaker 4: today about that. He said, the biggest thing that well

445
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Speaker 4: he thinks will kill the bowls once we get to

446
00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 4: a twelve team college football playoff is not the twelve

447
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Speaker 4: team playoff. It's the fact that if teams are not,

448
00:22:15,600 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: if schools are not in that twelve team playoff, their

449
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Speaker 4: players are basically going to check out. They're going to say, look,

450
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Speaker 4: I'm not playing in the in the Gasparilla Ball, I'm

451
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Speaker 4: not playing in the First Responder Bowl. I'm going to

452
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Speaker 4: start getting ready for the NFL. And so you know,

453
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Speaker 4: are you going to have enough quality play? I mean,

454
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Speaker 4: you'll have enough players, but we have enough quality players

455
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Speaker 4: to play to play in a bowl. And speaking of

456
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Speaker 4: USC calling, just as we were doing this podcast, so

457
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Speaker 4: last week, when we're doing the podcast, the news breaks

458
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Speaker 4: that Nick Rolovich has been fired at Washington State. So

459
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Speaker 4: that was fun to see. When we got off the air,

460
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Speaker 4: why we're actually doing the podcast, I've got a text

461
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Speaker 4: from a source that tells me that former NFL coach

462
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Speaker 4: Jeff Fisher, a USC alum, is in the mix for

463
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Speaker 4: the Trojans coaching position. And earlier Monday, former USC quarterback

464
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Speaker 4: Carson Palmer was on The Dan Patrick Show and said

465
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Speaker 4: he thought the candidates included Penn State James Franklin, Iowa

466
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Speaker 4: State's Matt Campbell, Cincinnati's Luke Fickle, and also threw in

467
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Speaker 4: Steelers coach Mike Tomlin. So things are about to get

468
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Speaker 4: very very interesting out west with the Trojans. But you know,

469
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Speaker 4: Jeff Fisher coming home. Who knows? At this point, I'd say,

470
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Speaker 4: I'd say anything's anything's possible, And the one unknown is

471
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Speaker 4: how quickly? How quickly does USC want to move on this?

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Speaker 2: Well, it's very interesting because you know, Steve Dazio is

473
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Speaker 2: mister six and six and Jeff Fisher is mister eight

474
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Speaker 2: and eight. But it's impossible to go eight and eight

475
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Speaker 2: in college football. So it should be to see how

476
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Speaker 2: he takes that job. I mean, you think he knows

477
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Speaker 2: the area from coaching in the area. I mean, that's

478
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Speaker 2: probably a leg up for him. The Tomlin thing is

479
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Speaker 2: completely out of left field. He's gainfully employed right now,

480
00:24:03,880 --> 00:24:05,920
Speaker 2: but you got a wonder with big bins and that

481
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Speaker 2: roster turnover if he's thinking about making a move. But

482
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Speaker 2: USC is a job and a half just from recruiting

483
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Speaker 2: the state of California and what they've lost there. I mean,

484
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Speaker 2: they've got to get back on top. As far as

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Speaker 2: that so very interesting name Jeff Fisher breaking news from

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Speaker 2: sources himself.

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Speaker 4: There we go.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's move into our segment, the AP Top

489
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Speaker 2: twenty five versus the Action Network Top twenty five. Well, Brett,

490
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Speaker 2: I gotta I'd like to say that you and I

491
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Speaker 2: are doing pretty well since our number one and number

492
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Speaker 2: two teams agree. But I have Florida in the top

493
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Speaker 2: ten and you didn't even rank him in the AP vote.

494
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Speaker 2: Is there just too many losses there? Don't see him

495
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Speaker 2: getting up off the mat or we got to fire

496
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Speaker 2: Grantham to get you to get back and they're good

497
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Speaker 2: graces to get him in the top twenty five.

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Speaker 4: And like you, Colin, I actually penalized teams when they

499
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Speaker 4: lose games. I'm waiting for Florida to lose a close

500
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Speaker 4: game to Georgia and you move him up to spots.

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Speaker 4: But speaking of Florida and Georgia, so I live. I

502
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Speaker 4: live in Tampa. I've been here forever and I've covered

503
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Speaker 4: my share of Florida Georgia gains. It's always Halloween weekend

504
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Speaker 4: in Jacksonville, the world's largest cocktail party. There's one specific

505
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:10,800
Speaker 4: game that really stands out to me, and that was

506
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,080
Speaker 4: way back in nineteen ninety six. You probably weren't even

507
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Speaker 4: born yet calling, but Florida was ranked number one in

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Speaker 4: the country. Georgia was a five hundred team, Florida was

509
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Speaker 4: a thirty three and a half point favorite neutral site

510
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Speaker 4: in Jacksonville. Monster number, so a buddy mine head substantial

511
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Speaker 4: amount of interest in Georgia plus thirty three and a half.

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Speaker 4: So enter the fourth quart of Florida's up thirty four

513
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Speaker 4: to seven. They've dominated the whole game. They go on

514
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Speaker 4: this sixty yard drive in the final two minutes, cap

515
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Speaker 4: by a field goal to make it forty to seven.

516
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Speaker 4: So he's fine, they're getting thirty three and a half.

517
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Speaker 4: So Florida's going to kick off to Georgia. We get

518
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Speaker 4: in the we're in the press box, we get in

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Speaker 4: the elevator to go down to the field, and as

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Speaker 4: we're going down the elevator, you hear this huge roar

521
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Speaker 4: and we're like, oh no, what's that. Sure enough, Georgia fumbled.

522
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Speaker 4: Florida gets the ball in the fourteen yard line with

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Speaker 4: two minutes to go, and of course, Steve steven O Spurrier,

524
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Speaker 4: the head ball coach, throws on the first play into

525
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Speaker 4: the end zone, touchdown Gators. Florida wins forty seven seven.

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Speaker 4: My buddy was crushed, to say the least. So keep

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Speaker 4: that in mind if you're playing Florida this week. If

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Speaker 4: Georgie is up by ten, Kirby's going to put his

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Speaker 4: foot on the pedal. Because these teams hate each other,

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Speaker 4: They're going to run it up. And that's Spurrier hates

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Speaker 4: Georgia more than anything. You know, most coaches would have

532
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Speaker 4: took two knees, not Spurrier. So be careful if you

533
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Speaker 4: have Florida this weekend.

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Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, these teams hate each other so much?

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Speaker 2: Can we call it the cocktail party?

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Speaker 3: More?

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Speaker 2: Everything's but can't?

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Speaker 4: We can call it whatever we want.

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Speaker 2: We can call it.

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Speaker 4: Yes, what are people going to say? So it's the

541
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Speaker 4: world's largest outdoor cocktail party. Yeah, there's a reason this

542
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Speaker 4: game's played at three point thirty every year because if

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Speaker 4: they had it an it would be dangerous.

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Speaker 2: Well, it's funny that you mentioned spur yeer. He obviously

545
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Speaker 2: knows what the spread is because in nineteen ninety six.

546
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Speaker 2: I believe I exited Razorback Stadium in a forty two

547
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Speaker 2: to seven loss. He scored twenty eight unanswered points just

548
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Speaker 2: to run up the score, and Danny Wirfol had me

549
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Speaker 2: doing laundry for the rest of the night, paying out

550
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Speaker 2: bets inside of Walton Hall. I'll be having a cocktail

551
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Speaker 2: myself when this game is going on. So Brett, you

552
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Speaker 2: and I agree on our Georgia Alabama rankings with the

553
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Speaker 2: AP voters. They have Cincinnati at number two. I make

554
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Speaker 2: Georgia a thirteen and a half point favorite over the

555
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Speaker 2: Bearcats on a neutral site. What is the college football

556
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Speaker 2: playoff ceiling for Cincinnati? Considering SMU is the only ranked

557
00:27:39,920 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: team before the AAC Championship, what's the ceiling for this team?

558
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Speaker 2: When the first rankings come out next week.

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Speaker 4: I think the committee puts him at three or four.

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Speaker 4: I don't think they put him at two. I don't

561
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Speaker 4: know who they're going to put it to. I think

562
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Speaker 4: the highest they put him at three or four. If

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Speaker 4: they put him at number two, they're going to get

564
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Speaker 4: boxed in, right. If you got him at two, you

565
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Speaker 4: keep them at two. They went out. I mean, of

566
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Speaker 4: course they can drop them. But one thing for people

567
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Speaker 4: to keep in mind, and I say this as loud

568
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Speaker 4: and as often as I can, when the rankings come

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Speaker 4: out next next Tuesday, keep in mind that they are

570
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Speaker 4: absolutely meaningless. And by that it's because the rankings do

571
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Speaker 4: not matter until we get to the final ranking. And

572
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Speaker 4: the committee says they do the rankings based on they

573
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Speaker 4: do a new set of rankings every week. Son and

574
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Speaker 4: I've gone through the mock process a couple of times.

575
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Speaker 4: So even if last week you had we'll say Georgia one,

576
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Speaker 4: since he two, Ohio State three, whatever, when you start

577
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Speaker 4: over next week, it's a clean slate. So that's what's

578
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Speaker 4: kind of fascinating about this whole deal. So if you

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Speaker 4: don't think they'll jump teams around in that final week,

580
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Speaker 4: then just call Baylor TCU because they plummeted in that

581
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Speaker 4: first year of the playoff. In twenty fourteen, they were

582
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Speaker 4: in the top four. I think I think it was

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Speaker 4: Baylor one was number three, Yeah, TCU one forty something

584
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Speaker 4: to three, and they dropped a number six.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. If anybody wants to know how Stucky and I's

586
00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,600
Speaker 2: relationship was born, it was because in twenty fourteen, I

587
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,120
Speaker 2: had a six hundred and thirty to one ticket on TCU.

588
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 2: Stucky held a thirty to one ticket on Ohio State.

589
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 2: TCU wins by fifty two points, I think in the

590
00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:21,360
Speaker 2: final game, and they got chucked out of the top four,

591
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Speaker 2: and to this day, I'm still a little raw about

592
00:29:25,280 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: that seven years later. So I think we need to

593
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Speaker 2: talk about Michigan. I mean, obviously there's going to still

594
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Speaker 2: be an undefeated team here. When Michigan plays Michigan State,

595
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Speaker 2: They're down to eleven in my power ratings. I would

596
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Speaker 2: make them a sixty and a half point underdog. If

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00:29:36,000 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 2: they faced Georgia on a neutral. You have the Wolverine's

598
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Speaker 2: number five, You have Sparti at number eight. Does the

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Speaker 2: winner of this game hop Cincinnati in next in the

600
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Speaker 2: committee's eyes and next week's college football playoff ranking?

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Speaker 4: I don't think so, Colin, and I'm sure they will

602
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Speaker 4: deny that they do this, but I would probably do

603
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Speaker 4: this if it was me. You're looking at Michigan Michigan

604
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,760
Speaker 4: State winner and saying, Okay, you need to move them up.

605
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Speaker 4: But you know what, they're fine where they are, because

606
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Speaker 4: if they beat Ohio State, they're gonna jump over Cincinnati.

607
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Speaker 2: You know, Notre Dame still no respect in the Action

608
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Speaker 2: Network Power ratings, but with one loss and looking at

609
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Speaker 2: a New Year six, I believe you have them in

610
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Speaker 2: the Peach Bowl. Current eight AP rank of eleventh. Is

611
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Speaker 2: it safe to pencil the Irish end to the Chick

612
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Speaker 2: fil A Peach Bowl and you have them playing pitt

613
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Speaker 2: the points where it would be a pick. But when

614
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Speaker 2: you look at the Irish remaining schedule, it looks like

615
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: we're pretty much a lock, right And the Peach Bowl

616
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Speaker 2: is the one that kind of gets the at large.

617
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Speaker 2: It doesn't have a bowl tie in, so definitely the Peach.

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Speaker 4: It's in at large. And why pits in it is

619
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Speaker 4: because the ACC champion. Because the Orange Bowl host one

620
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Speaker 4: of the semifinals, the ACC champion is guaranteed a spot

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Speaker 4: in one of the New Year six games. All of

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Speaker 4: the new The only available New Year six games are

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Speaker 4: the Fiesta Bowl and the Peach Bowl, and the Fiesta

624
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Speaker 4: Bowl is to get Cincinnati unless Cincinnati gets into the playoff,

625
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 4: and then the group of five will not get another

626
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 4: team in the mix, so that could that could change.

627
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Speaker 4: But with Cincinnati being in the Fiesta, Notre Dame can't

628
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Speaker 4: play in the Fiesta because they already played Cincinnati. So

629
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Speaker 4: that's why I've got Notre Dame to the to the

630
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Speaker 4: Peach Bowl.

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Speaker 2: And so that leaves the winner of the G five

632
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Speaker 2: that goes out to the Fiesta Bowl. Right now, you

633
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: have Cincinnati and an Old Miss playing there. Cincinnati will

634
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,480
Speaker 2: be favored by two on a neutral site. For me,

635
00:31:29,760 --> 00:31:31,520
Speaker 2: I'm dying for Notre Dame to lose a game. So

636
00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: we could just put them in what is all perfect

637
00:31:33,880 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: in the world, the Fenway Bowl. I'm not sure what

638
00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 2: the Finway balls.

639
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Speaker 4: They wouldn't drop that far, but if they went, if

640
00:31:40,200 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 4: they went out, and they've got you know, they've got

641
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:45,960
Speaker 4: North Carolina this week. But then obviously some some news

642
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 4: for Notre Dame. Their star Kyle Hamilton is out yep

643
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 4: with the right knee injury. And you're playing, uh, you know,

644
00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 4: playing a team that likes to sling it around. But

645
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:57,600
Speaker 4: you look at the rest of the schedule Navy, Virginia,

646
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Speaker 4: Virginia can put up some points, Georgia Tech, and yeah

647
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Speaker 4: at Stanford, I mean they can win out. If they

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Speaker 4: don't win out, they're not going to be even any

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Speaker 4: year six. They would only drop to like the Sittress

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Speaker 2: Yeah, speaking of that, for everybody listening, if I have

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Speaker 2: Heisman handicap.

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Speaker 1: This is your Heisman handicap.

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Speaker 2: The Heisman Trophy is awarded to all right. These odds

679
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Speaker 2: are via win bet. Not much movement here, I mean

680
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Speaker 2: Matt Caraw did play. We got Bryce Young plus one fifty,

681
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 2: Matt Corral plus two to fifty. CJ. Stroud, you and

682
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Speaker 2: I were talking about him since before. Fifteen to one,

683
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:42,520
Speaker 2: down to four to one. Some of the best odds

684
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Speaker 2: per pff Desmond Ritter twenty to one, Jean Robinson forty,

685
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: Brian Robinson Junior sixty. No way, it's a mere white

686
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: one hundred. Then it gets a little deluded. I think

687
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Speaker 2: we're at the point where are we looking for one

688
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Speaker 2: of these guys in the top three to just take it.

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Speaker 2: We're looking for CJ. Stroud, Matt Caraw and Bryce Junger

690
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Speaker 2: just take it. And then I have to ask, does

691
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 2: old miss not ever having a Heisman winner hurt Matt

692
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:08,520
Speaker 2: Kraal because you know, Alabama's had only three previous winners.

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Speaker 2: C J. Stroud's had seven. Does it help or hurt

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Speaker 2: or does it not matter that Matt Crows will all Miss.

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Speaker 4: I think it helps cause you're You've got Lane Kiffen,

696
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 4: you got the popcorn, you got the you know, high

697
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Speaker 4: potent offense. I think it's very simple for Matt Corrall

698
00:34:23,000 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: at Auburn this week, a him at home in two weeks.

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Speaker 4: They should be okay at Mississippi State in the Egg Bowl.

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Speaker 4: But as we know, anything, expect anything to happen in

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Speaker 4: that game. If ale Miss runs the table, I think

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Speaker 4: Matt Corraw's got an incredible shot to win this thing.

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00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:39,680
Speaker 4: If they lose two of their last five, I think

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00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:42,440
Speaker 4: he filters down. I know we've talked about it before.

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Speaker 4: I still think it's a team award, and I think

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Speaker 4: it'll it'll basically boil down to if Alabama wins out

707
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Speaker 4: wins the SEC title. Bryce Young is a big game,

708
00:34:50,680 --> 00:34:54,080
Speaker 4: he will win it. If they lose to Georgia. CJ.

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Speaker 4: Stroud leads the Buckeyes to Big Ten championship and he

710
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Speaker 4: can put up some big numbers, then I think then

711
00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: I think kill win it. You're right, we talked about

712
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:06,080
Speaker 4: you know, if we just do what we say, we'd

713
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Speaker 4: be sitting here with a great ticket on CJ. Stroud.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's Colin. I think it's those three.

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Speaker 4: I don't think anybody else. I know, Desmond Ritter, you

716
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Speaker 4: know with Cincinnati, they just again they don't have to schedule.

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00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: That's really going to draw eyeballs to them. There's really

718
00:35:20,120 --> 00:35:21,920
Speaker 4: nobody else on the list. I think it's I think

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Speaker 4: it's those three, And I think a lot of it's

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Speaker 4: based on how successful those teams are. So if you

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Speaker 4: like any of those numbers, I would play it if

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Speaker 4: you think those teams are going to win out. If

723
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Speaker 4: you don't, If you like a player but you don't

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Speaker 4: think one of those three are going to win out,

725
00:35:35,920 --> 00:35:38,800
Speaker 4: do not waste your money on a Heisman future, especially

726
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Speaker 4: this late in the game when you're getting absolutely no value.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and when Bett does offer who will make the

728
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Speaker 2: top three? That is something I partook in the summer.

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Speaker 2: I took Desmond Rare thirty to one to make the

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Speaker 2: top three.

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Speaker 4: Well, you need you need Old Miss to lose like

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Speaker 4: three games.

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Speaker 3: I do.

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Speaker 4: Even if that happens, I think he'll still make it. However,

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00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,920
Speaker 4: you could get fourteen, you could get four players. In

736
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Speaker 4: New York, there's no limit on the number of players,

737
00:36:01,239 --> 00:36:03,320
Speaker 4: but you can only vote for three players. And I

738
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Speaker 4: don't want to go on a rant here, so I'll

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00:36:04,840 --> 00:36:07,640
Speaker 4: make it very, very quick. The Heisman needs to change

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00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:11,000
Speaker 4: its ballot process. We can only vote for three players.

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Speaker 4: So here's a perfect example. I turn on my ballot

742
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:17,000
Speaker 4: and I want to vote for Bryce Shung, Matt Cross, CJ. Strout.

743
00:36:17,160 --> 00:36:20,279
Speaker 4: I can't vote for Desmond Ridder. So what happens. Ritter

744
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:22,960
Speaker 4: gets left off on a ton of ballots. If you

745
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,719
Speaker 4: open up the ballots to the top five, then you

746
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Speaker 4: can get some more players in there. They get recognized

747
00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,040
Speaker 4: where it's Desmond Ritter, Jon Robinson, Brian Robinson, whoever you want.

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Speaker 4: I've actually reached out to the Heisman about this. I've

749
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Speaker 4: suggested it. You know, they said, thank you, but no,

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Speaker 4: thank you. We do things a certain way. We've been

751
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,000
Speaker 4: doing it one hundred years longer than you've been alive,

752
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 4: so you know, go back to your little Action network

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Speaker 4: gig and leave us alone. One reason they don't want

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00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,200
Speaker 4: to do it is because of historical context. They've got

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00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:54,919
Speaker 4: all the records of biggest margin of victory, most first

756
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:58,359
Speaker 4: place votes, YadA, YadA, YadA. I mean, who freaking cares

757
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 4: you're supposed to promote college football? Put five, let us

758
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,919
Speaker 4: vote for five people on the Heisman ballot.

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00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,239
Speaker 2: To me, Matt Carroll plus two fifty doesn't have a

760
00:37:05,320 --> 00:37:07,839
Speaker 2: lot of value because it's tied to the team. But CJ.

761
00:37:07,960 --> 00:37:10,800
Speaker 2: Stroud at four to one, I think absolutely has a

762
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:12,840
Speaker 2: tiny bit of value, and it's the only one on

763
00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,560
Speaker 2: the board that you can bet on right now period,

764
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Speaker 2: if you like Bryce Young. I think that plays into

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Speaker 2: our next segment, the college football playoff, Payoff, Playoff. We'll

766
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Speaker 2: talk about playoff, you kidding me?

767
00:37:27,600 --> 00:37:28,080
Speaker 4: Playoff?

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00:37:29,480 --> 00:37:31,560
Speaker 2: These odds via win Bet this is who is gonna

769
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Speaker 2: win the National Championship? Alabama or Georgia minus two forty

770
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,759
Speaker 2: Field plus two twenty. So it's like, if you think

771
00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: Alabama is gonna win the National championship or Georgia, Like,

772
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Speaker 2: Alabama's plus two forty to win the national title and

773
00:37:44,760 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 2: Bryce down is plus one fifty, So I know that

774
00:37:48,040 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 2: they're decided at different times. I just think that if

775
00:37:50,719 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 2: Alabama looks the part that and you think that they're

776
00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:56,759
Speaker 2: going to beat Georgia SEC Championship game, which they might

777
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 2: need to actually get into the College Wall playoff. Then

778
00:37:59,040 --> 00:38:01,399
Speaker 2: it's much better to take out Obama at plus two forty.

779
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:04,120
Speaker 2: That is, Bryce Young at plus one fifty. But some

780
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 2: of these odds, you know, Brett, you and I talked

781
00:38:05,880 --> 00:38:07,760
Speaker 2: about this last week, there's just no value in Alabama

782
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 2: Georgia minus two forty because if you equate that to

783
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:12,479
Speaker 2: a point spread, it doesn't it doesn't make any sense.

784
00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:14,200
Speaker 2: The field has a little bit of value down to

785
00:38:14,239 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 2: about plus one ninety. So when you look at the

786
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 2: rest of the odds Georgia plus one oh five, Alabama

787
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 2: plus two forty, you know, I mean Alabama has to

788
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 2: sweep everything from here on out. Ohio State seven to

789
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 2: one still has value. I mean they s left to

790
00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 2: go through Penn State, which I don't think is that

791
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:35,360
Speaker 2: big of a deal considering you know what what just

792
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,040
Speaker 2: happened with Illinois, the fact they lost their one of

793
00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,239
Speaker 2: their best defensive tackles are gonna get run over by

794
00:38:39,280 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 2: Ohio State. Oklahoma twelve to one. I am a guy

795
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,400
Speaker 2: that bought Oklahoma preseason, and I'm falling out of love

796
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: with this team because the defense has been so terrible.

797
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,920
Speaker 2: How can you let Kansas have this many yards? They

798
00:38:53,000 --> 00:38:56,560
Speaker 2: got out gained by Kansas and then Sincy thirty one,

799
00:38:56,640 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 2: Michigan thirty to one organistics. I think the conversation we

800
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 2: need to have is A and B. A Michigan thirty

801
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:05,840
Speaker 2: to one, B Oregon at sixty to one. Now, obviously

802
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 2: Michigan can drop a game, beat Ohio State and win

803
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,400
Speaker 2: the Big Ten. There is a scenario in which that

804
00:39:14,520 --> 00:39:18,040
Speaker 2: this could happen. So I feel like Michigan's got way

805
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 2: more wiggle room than Oregon. Oregon loses, they're out, and

806
00:39:20,320 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 2: they still got Utah or in State. They got a

807
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,040
Speaker 2: lot going on. But Michigan thirty to one. Do you

808
00:39:25,120 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 2: think that? I mean, the schedule, the strength of schedule

809
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: between Michigan State and Michigan gives me a little bit

810
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:33,160
Speaker 2: of trouble handicapping that game this weekend. But is Michigan

811
00:39:33,200 --> 00:39:34,360
Speaker 2: thirty to one anything you're interested in?

812
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,279
Speaker 4: I would look, I would do it this way, and

813
00:39:38,040 --> 00:39:39,800
Speaker 4: I guess I need a calculator and I don't have

814
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 4: one right in front of me. Instead of playing the

815
00:39:42,480 --> 00:39:45,520
Speaker 4: field at plus two twenty, what if you put we'll

816
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 4: say one hundred for an even number what if you

817
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,280
Speaker 4: put one hundred on Ohio State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati, and Michigan.

818
00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 4: Now you expose yourself more. You're exposed four hundred. If

819
00:39:56,280 --> 00:40:00,800
Speaker 4: Ohio State wins, you win what three hundred? Yeah, four hundred,

820
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:03,360
Speaker 4: because you lose your three bets, you in your seven hundred,

821
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,680
Speaker 4: see win four hundred. So you're getting better numbers than

822
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 4: the field. If they lose, they lose. Would I would

823
00:40:09,400 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 4: do that. I would play multiple team those four teams. Look,

824
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,560
Speaker 4: if you get beat by Michigan State or Ole miss

825
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,799
Speaker 4: win of the national title, then you know, hats off

826
00:40:17,880 --> 00:40:20,759
Speaker 4: to Mel Tucker as he goes to his next job

827
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Speaker 4: next year somewhere else. But you know, we were on

828
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Speaker 4: this a few weeks ago, and we back then it

829
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Speaker 4: was like Alabama Georgia was like minus one, twenty one,

830
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Speaker 4: twenty five or whatever. Back then, that was an absolute

831
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Speaker 4: good play. Now at two forty, I think there's no

832
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:40,160
Speaker 4: value in it. And if you believe somebody other than

833
00:40:40,200 --> 00:40:42,279
Speaker 4: Georgia and Alabama's going to win the national title, then

834
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Speaker 4: play the play those four teams at Ohio State, Oklahoma, Cincinnati,

835
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Speaker 4: Michigan for.

836
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Speaker 2: This week, we are going to punt on a national

837
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 2: championship future, but I guarantee you what the college football

838
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 2: payoff rankings coming out, We'll be able to find something

839
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Speaker 2: somewhere and hopefully we can find somebody to play a

840
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 2: little bit of defense like Georgia, because it ain't coming

841
00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 2: from Oklahoma, Ohio State. We're Alabama. Even Cincinnati getting pushed

842
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: around by Navy and the end of the game, so

843
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 2: no play for us.

844
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Speaker 4: And one last thing, Colin, I forgot to mention this

845
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:12,800
Speaker 4: earlier when we were talking about Notre Dame. Do you

846
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:15,360
Speaker 4: know what We're taping this on Monday? Do you know

847
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:16,239
Speaker 4: what today is?

848
00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 2: I hope it's not a Catholic holiday or else I'm

849
00:41:18,520 --> 00:41:18,759
Speaker 2: in try.

850
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 4: Of course, it's Brian Kelly's sixtieth birthday.

851
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:25,840
Speaker 2: Oh well, happy birthday, the waynest.

852
00:41:25,360 --> 00:41:29,240
Speaker 4: Coach in Notre Dame history, and he is the nineteenth

853
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 4: oldest coach in the FBS. So happy birthday to Brian Kelly.

854
00:41:34,840 --> 00:41:38,200
Speaker 4: And then of course Halloween, it's the birthday of the goat,

855
00:41:38,520 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 4: Nick Saban. He will be seventy seven zero years old

856
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:43,880
Speaker 4: on Halloween.

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00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 2: Well, happy happy birthday to the executioner and to the

858
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 2: goat next week. So executioner, Yeah, you know, I'm.

859
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Speaker 1: In favor of execution.

860
00:41:55,320 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 2: Maybe our entire team needs to be executed. After tonight,

861
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Speaker 2: this has been the Big Bets on Campus Sources edition.

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Speaker 2: Tomorrow afternoon you can hear our Group of five experts,

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Speaker 2: Mike Ianello and Mike Calabrey's on our G five Deep

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Speaker 2: Dive episode, and late late Thursday night, Stucky and All

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Speaker 2: return for a Week nine betting preview. All right here

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Speaker 2: on the BBOC podcast, Brett has to go back to

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Speaker 2: finding out who's going to get fired next, and especially

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Speaker 2: if Tomlin's going to leave the Steelers and go take

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Speaker 2: the USC job. And I have to get back to

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Speaker 2: watch it as screen so I can get some more

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Speaker 2: bets on some San Diego State overs. Thanks for joining me, Brett.

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Speaker 2: See everybody at the window.