1 00:00:00,400 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: So I am going to be one of the commentators 2 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:10,880 Speaker 1: at Red Bull Rampage this October October sixteenth, So I 3 00:00:10,920 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: am so excited to be in studio, really just giving 4 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:20,479 Speaker 1: an authentic opinion about what's going on, the things I know, 5 00:00:20,640 --> 00:00:25,319 Speaker 1: the things I don't know, but just genuine response to 6 00:00:26,560 --> 00:00:29,480 Speaker 1: the creativity that these free riders are going to get 7 00:00:29,480 --> 00:00:33,360 Speaker 1: to experience in the most remote, beautiful mountains of Utah. 8 00:00:33,560 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: I'm actually riding solo to Utah to do this. I 9 00:00:38,760 --> 00:00:41,440 Speaker 1: actually have no idea what I'm getting myself into, but 10 00:00:41,560 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: what I do know is action sports. And what I 11 00:00:44,680 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: do know is I grew up playing and not playing. 12 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:53,720 Speaker 1: I grew up skating and surfing, and I'm very keyed 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: in and tuned in to what it's like to really 14 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,120 Speaker 1: live on the edge. And that's why I want to 15 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,640 Speaker 1: to do this. I think it's a really cool opportunity 16 00:01:02,680 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: and I love these new young women paving the way 17 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:09,760 Speaker 1: and taking up space that's kind of predominantly been a 18 00:01:09,800 --> 00:01:14,800 Speaker 1: male sport. Red Bull Rampage actually just started having women 19 00:01:14,920 --> 00:01:18,319 Speaker 1: participate in the event last year, so this is just 20 00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: such a new venture for them, and to be a 21 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: part of that growth is really rad For me, I'm 22 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,760 Speaker 1: actually pretty excited to get there. I'm actually getting to 23 00:01:25,840 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 1: Red Bull Rampage a few days early because I want 24 00:01:29,560 --> 00:01:34,120 Speaker 1: to understand the complexities of what the event holds. What 25 00:01:34,200 --> 00:01:38,360 Speaker 1: people don't know is these women actually are hiking and 26 00:01:38,480 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 1: digging and building their trails. That is a part of 27 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:45,640 Speaker 1: the creativity piece. So to be able to see you know, 28 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: them in real time building out insane runs and jumps, 29 00:01:51,840 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: and to see it firsthand on how they create and 30 00:01:55,000 --> 00:01:58,400 Speaker 1: how they choose to do what they do, and you know, 31 00:01:58,480 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: the whole risk versus rewards thing. I'm excited to get 32 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,720 Speaker 1: there a few days early and just kind of surround 33 00:02:04,800 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: myself in the atmosphere of like high pressure, high stakes 34 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:14,080 Speaker 1: and it's it's really really dangerous. So you know, I played, 35 00:02:14,160 --> 00:02:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, played soccer growing up, so it wasn't really 36 00:02:17,160 --> 00:02:20,360 Speaker 1: life or death for me. I'm not flirting with the 37 00:02:20,440 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: side of a mountain. I'm not, you know, there's a 38 00:02:24,440 --> 00:02:27,639 Speaker 1: lot of catastrophic things that could happen, and to see 39 00:02:27,680 --> 00:02:31,200 Speaker 1: the mindset and the process that these young women are 40 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 1: going through, it's pretty remarkable. So we were lucky enough 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: to capture Casey as she is kind of embarking on 42 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 1: her drive to the competition, and she pulled off on 43 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 1: the side of a road and found a coffee shop 44 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,120 Speaker 1: which was top tier. I actually kind of love that 45 00:02:48,480 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 1: it shows her commitment to, you know, what she does 46 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: for a living and how she shows up in the world. 47 00:02:54,919 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 1: I thought it was pretty spectacular. You know, you could 48 00:02:57,800 --> 00:03:03,280 Speaker 1: tell that she's a super balanced individual. You know, after 49 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:06,480 Speaker 1: having the conversation we had, it's very clear and evident 50 00:03:06,680 --> 00:03:10,520 Speaker 1: that she prioritizes just as much of the mental training 51 00:03:10,560 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 1: as she does the physical, and I think that's what 52 00:03:12,960 --> 00:03:17,639 Speaker 1: makes champions. I think that's what builds greatness, is understanding 53 00:03:17,760 --> 00:03:23,720 Speaker 1: the balance of the physical emotional needs that it is 54 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 1: to be a competitor and it's not easy. And I 55 00:03:28,400 --> 00:03:31,680 Speaker 1: love the mindset she's in that I have a huge 56 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: opportunity and I'm not going to take it for granted. 57 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,160 Speaker 1: And you know, I've been trying to pave the way 58 00:03:37,440 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 1: for people like herself to be able to show up 59 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 1: in these big events, and she's not taking it lightly, 60 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: and she's one of the greatest to ever do it. 61 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,480 Speaker 1: So I'm really excited to get up close and personal 62 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:55,800 Speaker 1: and see her artistry. I would say the theme of this conversation. 63 00:03:56,720 --> 00:03:59,680 Speaker 1: And the thing I want all of our listeners and 64 00:03:59,760 --> 00:04:05,119 Speaker 1: view to know what's really really important and stuck out 65 00:04:05,160 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: most for me in this conversation is if you don't 66 00:04:07,480 --> 00:04:10,360 Speaker 1: see it, build it yourself. And I think that's exactly 67 00:04:10,400 --> 00:04:13,560 Speaker 1: what Casey did. She didn't get to see people who 68 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:15,840 Speaker 1: look like her show up in the way she wanted 69 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:18,840 Speaker 1: to in the world. So she started creating her own 70 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:23,239 Speaker 1: legacy and her own way into breaking into that world. 71 00:04:23,279 --> 00:04:26,560 Speaker 1: And she's done that and she's living it. And what 72 00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,800 Speaker 1: a beautiful place to live to allow other people to 73 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:34,080 Speaker 1: give them permission to really go after their dreams. And 74 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:37,240 Speaker 1: she did that and she's living it. And she's so 75 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,880 Speaker 1: young and a trailblazer when it comes to you know, 76 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:43,480 Speaker 1: how she shows up in her sport. And I think 77 00:04:43,520 --> 00:04:46,720 Speaker 1: that's the biggest takeaway for me is you know, instead 78 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:50,360 Speaker 1: of complaining about not seeing diversity, inclusion and all the 79 00:04:50,400 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 1: things that we want the most in the world is 80 00:04:52,360 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 1: to be seen, build it, build it yourself. Put that 81 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,159 Speaker 1: on your back, like you never know the doors it 82 00:04:59,200 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 1: will open up for us other people. And now to 83 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: our conversation with Casey Brown. Welcome back to Wide Open. 84 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: I'm Ashlyn Harris, and today I'm sitting down with one 85 00:05:17,360 --> 00:05:21,320 Speaker 1: of the boldest and most groundbreaking athletes in action sports, 86 00:05:21,440 --> 00:05:25,039 Speaker 1: Casey Brown. If you know anything about mountain biking, you 87 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,320 Speaker 1: clearly know Casey. She's been rewriting the rules for years, 88 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 1: from the steep trails of British Columbia to the global 89 00:05:32,200 --> 00:05:36,040 Speaker 1: free ride stage. She's not just riding lines, She's carving 90 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:40,040 Speaker 1: out history. Casey is a pioneer in free ride mountain biking, 91 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:44,280 Speaker 1: someone who has consistently pushed past barriers and a sport that, 92 00:05:44,880 --> 00:05:48,240 Speaker 1: for so long has been dominated by men. She's known 93 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,840 Speaker 1: for her style, her creativity, and her courage, the kind 94 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,120 Speaker 1: of athlete who doesn't just ride trails, She builds them, 95 00:05:55,400 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: She reimagines them. She shows the world what is possible 96 00:05:59,120 --> 00:06:03,200 Speaker 1: when you ride with vision and conviction. This October, Casey 97 00:06:03,279 --> 00:06:07,040 Speaker 1: is stepping into one of the most legendary intimate arenas 98 00:06:07,320 --> 00:06:12,120 Speaker 1: and extreme sports, Red Bull Rampage. For years, Rampage has 99 00:06:12,160 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 1: been the ultimate test of free ride mountain biking, massive cliffs, 100 00:06:17,360 --> 00:06:22,480 Speaker 1: handbuilt lines at the Utah Desert, tracks that defy gravity, 101 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: and today we're going to talk about what it takes 102 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: to prepare for Rampage. Both physically, mentally, and emotionally. We're 103 00:06:31,760 --> 00:06:35,680 Speaker 1: going to dive into fear, resilience, creativity, and what it 104 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:39,600 Speaker 1: feels like to carry the responsibility of being a trailblazer. 105 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:42,400 Speaker 1: And we'll talk about her journey, her vision, and the 106 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 1: future and women's action sports and why this moment matters 107 00:06:46,839 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: far beyond the bike. This conversation is about courage, craft 108 00:06:50,760 --> 00:06:56,640 Speaker 1: and breaking barriers. Welcome to the show. Wow, I don't 109 00:06:56,680 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 1: even know where to start with really laying the foundation 110 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:04,359 Speaker 1: in land escape of what is possible in action sports, 111 00:07:04,600 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 1: and you are so well respected. I am a newbie 112 00:07:08,960 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 1: now I am going to join you here in October 113 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 1: at Red Bull Rampage and Casey a free biker. Welcome 114 00:07:18,200 --> 00:07:20,480 Speaker 1: to the show. Tell us a little bit about yourself. 115 00:07:20,560 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: For those who don't know what Red Bull Rampage is, 116 00:07:24,120 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: we are going to dive into it. You're going to 117 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:27,840 Speaker 1: be a fan and you're going to be tuning in. 118 00:07:27,920 --> 00:07:30,360 Speaker 1: But before we get to that, Casey, tell us a 119 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 1: little bit about you as a child. Why free biking? 120 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:40,240 Speaker 1: Where did this come from? I'm curious in your own words, 121 00:07:40,320 --> 00:07:41,800 Speaker 1: where did this all start for you? 122 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:46,400 Speaker 2: Yeah? So for me, it started as a kid just 123 00:07:46,520 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: following my brother around. He was a free, free r 124 00:07:48,960 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 2: eyed mountain biker as well, so yeah, he was my 125 00:07:52,600 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: absolute hero and I yeah, just followed him around. My 126 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:03,040 Speaker 2: dad would make me go biking, and then I there 127 00:08:03,080 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: was over the path for women back then as a 128 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:09,040 Speaker 2: free ride mountain biker. There was, like some that have tried, 129 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:11,240 Speaker 2: but you always had to be like a racer or 130 00:08:11,280 --> 00:08:13,880 Speaker 2: something else in order to get a bit of spotlight. 131 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 2: So my journey has been basically putting a spotlight spotlight 132 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,280 Speaker 2: on women's free ride and trying to foster it and 133 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 2: make it grow and kind of into something that is 134 00:08:27,600 --> 00:08:29,240 Speaker 2: a career path for women. 135 00:08:29,440 --> 00:08:32,160 Speaker 1: Which is so important and now more than ever, like 136 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,840 Speaker 1: the landscape in women's sports in general is just changing 137 00:08:36,120 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: so quickly and people want more and more and more. 138 00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 1: And I think you've given permission to so many young 139 00:08:42,840 --> 00:08:45,600 Speaker 1: girls to want to do this and really make a 140 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:49,439 Speaker 1: living out of it. And I think that's so empowering 141 00:08:49,559 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: and such a big deal that people, maybe not people 142 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 1: may not quite know what free biking is, free mountain 143 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:02,400 Speaker 1: biking and and Red Bull rampage, and I want people 144 00:09:02,440 --> 00:09:07,400 Speaker 1: to know this. It's actually not about racing. What's so 145 00:09:07,679 --> 00:09:11,080 Speaker 1: unique and cool about it is the ability to just 146 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: be the artistry of it, and I like, I how 147 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:18,560 Speaker 1: cool is that? I have never heard of anything like that. 148 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:22,080 Speaker 1: You guys build out your own lines, You build out 149 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:26,120 Speaker 1: whatever you're willing to do in terms of freestyle tricks. 150 00:09:26,600 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 1: I mean that that is so unique and so savvy, 151 00:09:30,120 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: and not many sports have that, which I love because 152 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: you really peel back the layers and you show who 153 00:09:36,600 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: you are and what you bring to the table. 154 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:43,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is truly an expression of your personality through sports, 155 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:46,880 Speaker 2: and I feel like with a lot of sports you 156 00:09:46,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 2: don't really get that opportunity. You're kind of pigeonholed into, 157 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 2: you know, just going fast or you know, you know, 158 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:56,200 Speaker 2: there's there's not a whole lot of opportunity in sports 159 00:09:56,240 --> 00:10:00,600 Speaker 2: to be absolutely one hundred percent your creator of what 160 00:10:00,640 --> 00:10:01,200 Speaker 2: you want to do. 161 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,960 Speaker 1: That's incredible. Can you just give us a little bit 162 00:10:03,960 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: of context of how you kind of started this and 163 00:10:07,400 --> 00:10:10,079 Speaker 1: how you started pushing the envelope and fighting for women 164 00:10:10,120 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 1: to be a part of this, because if I'm not wrong, 165 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: women only started competing in Red Bull Rampage last year 166 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 1: in twenty twenty four, Is that correct? 167 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:23,520 Speaker 2: Yeah, twenty twenty four was the first year it was 168 00:10:24,880 --> 00:10:28,080 Speaker 2: a long time coming, I like, and I feel like 169 00:10:28,640 --> 00:10:33,920 Speaker 2: I was inspired to do Rampage at seventeen when I 170 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 2: went and watched it for the first time in two 171 00:10:35,679 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 2: thousand and eight. So the return of Rampage was it 172 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,560 Speaker 2: had taken a hiatus for four years, so it was 173 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:44,200 Speaker 2: a big deal when it came back and I just 174 00:10:44,240 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: graduated high school and I drove to the desert to 175 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: watch it because it was what I grew up on, 176 00:10:49,760 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: is like watching Rampage and Neural Disorder and all those 177 00:10:53,320 --> 00:10:56,200 Speaker 2: like free ride movies, and that was it, like as 178 00:10:56,320 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: the pure inspiration for mountain biking for me and ever 179 00:11:01,080 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 2: since then it was like on my resume, I was like, 180 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:05,959 Speaker 2: I'm going to do Red Bull Rampage. I know there's 181 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:08,440 Speaker 2: not a category, but we're going to figure it out. 182 00:11:08,559 --> 00:11:11,640 Speaker 2: So yeah, I spent years and years with that as 183 00:11:11,679 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 2: my goal, like working on it, working on that side 184 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:20,559 Speaker 2: of my skill set. And yeah, then there was formation 185 00:11:20,720 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: that sort of showed up with k Holden and Red 186 00:11:23,800 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: Bull and we had an opportunity to kind of showcase 187 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,840 Speaker 2: our riding in that terrain and kind of prove ourselves 188 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:34,959 Speaker 2: a bit. And then after that it sort of died out. 189 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,000 Speaker 2: I kind of gave up. I was like, maybe we'll 190 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: never get rampage. Maybe it was just like get it 191 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 2: not happened for us, and I was like having to 192 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: be okay with that, and I kind of let it go. 193 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: And I feel like that's when things happen, is when 194 00:11:47,800 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: you stop wanting it so hard. It's like you gotta 195 00:11:50,600 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 2: take the pressure off it. And then and then like 196 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:57,160 Speaker 2: two years later, Rampage was had a women's category and 197 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:59,000 Speaker 2: it was insane. Us. 198 00:11:59,360 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: No, yeah, stay tuned. I'll be back in just a moment. 199 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:13,360 Speaker 1: After this brief message from our sponsors. I tell you 200 00:12:13,400 --> 00:12:16,880 Speaker 1: what though it is, it's truly this. I got the 201 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 1: opportunity to hear Reese Witherspoon speak about why she chose 202 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:25,560 Speaker 1: to build out Hello Sunshine, and it was a female 203 00:12:25,720 --> 00:12:31,480 Speaker 1: led company and she wanted parody and equity and all 204 00:12:31,520 --> 00:12:35,360 Speaker 1: these things. And there's something that she said that it 205 00:12:35,400 --> 00:12:37,680 Speaker 1: will never leave me. If you don't see it, build 206 00:12:37,720 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: it yourself. And I think more women need to hear that, like, 207 00:12:42,360 --> 00:12:45,080 Speaker 1: if you don't see yourself in it, then build it 208 00:12:45,160 --> 00:12:47,959 Speaker 1: yourself and show what is possible. And I think that's 209 00:12:48,080 --> 00:12:53,240 Speaker 1: the groundwork that you've all laid is really showing what's 210 00:12:53,240 --> 00:12:56,640 Speaker 1: because I say this all the time, seeing is absolutely believing. 211 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:03,480 Speaker 1: And I think there's this weird kind of thought process 212 00:13:03,600 --> 00:13:07,599 Speaker 1: around extreme and action sports that it's like the safety 213 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 1: of women and this is like, you know, two nuts 214 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 1: are crazy and there's so much at stake, and I'm 215 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,240 Speaker 1: curious with like the mindset we've all been raised in. 216 00:13:19,520 --> 00:13:22,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I can't speak for you, but I you know, 217 00:13:22,040 --> 00:13:26,319 Speaker 1: I've done a little research. We grew up playing with boys, like, yeah, 218 00:13:26,480 --> 00:13:29,600 Speaker 1: I didn't know anything different, Like I just wanted to 219 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:32,480 Speaker 1: rip and rock just like my father. 220 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 2: I didn't see a difference as like, ah, if he 221 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 2: can do it, I can do It's just like there 222 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: was never I know, I wasn't raised in like society really. 223 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 2: I was like kind of a bush kid, so so 224 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 2: like there was no like raising your girls differently than 225 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,559 Speaker 2: the boys. So yeah, it was all rough and tumble 226 00:13:49,600 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: and and horsing around all the time. So yeah, and 227 00:13:54,120 --> 00:13:56,679 Speaker 2: I feel like that makes a huge difference. Is like, yeah, 228 00:13:56,720 --> 00:14:00,000 Speaker 2: the kids today, like if you're in if you're influenced 229 00:14:00,160 --> 00:14:03,960 Speaker 2: by you know, the common media streams and stuff, you're 230 00:14:04,000 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 2: just like what girls are shown that they should be 231 00:14:08,760 --> 00:14:12,760 Speaker 2: is totally different. From like what is actually the reality 232 00:14:12,800 --> 00:14:15,960 Speaker 2: of what you candy? And yeah, if you're not hunting 233 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,199 Speaker 2: for it, then you just sort of you fall into 234 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:22,400 Speaker 2: the expectations of the world around you. And yeah, I 235 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 2: feel like it takes a bit of grit and kind 236 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 2: of seeing things differently and carving your own path to 237 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:32,240 Speaker 2: to figure it out and put yourself in places that 238 00:14:32,280 --> 00:14:33,160 Speaker 2: no one's been before. 239 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: I'm curious about that. What is the mindset for you? 240 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:40,760 Speaker 1: Because there you know, I know you've dealt with like injury, 241 00:14:41,160 --> 00:14:45,760 Speaker 1: it's a high impact like high risk sport. Is this 242 00:14:45,800 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: the way you live your life in general or is 243 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 1: it just on a bike? 244 00:14:49,680 --> 00:14:52,720 Speaker 2: No, it's honestly, it's the way I live my life 245 00:14:52,720 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 2: in general. Like I'm always like eating shit. Yeah, just 246 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:03,960 Speaker 2: on what I'm doing. I'm like, and I got bucked 247 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,040 Speaker 2: off my horse so hard the other day, I'm like, 248 00:15:06,080 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 2: holy moly, Like falling without any equipment on is quite 249 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: alarming compared to like when you're mountain bike and you 250 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 2: have a full face helmet on, you're ready, You're ready 251 00:15:14,120 --> 00:15:16,000 Speaker 2: to hit the ground. But yeah, when you're not ready 252 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:20,480 Speaker 2: for it's wild. I grew up pretty wild, like in 253 00:15:20,520 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 2: the bush. I feel like it set the pace for 254 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 2: the rest of my life. And I can't live in 255 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:33,480 Speaker 2: like a regular person's world. There's just no chance in 256 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,920 Speaker 2: hell that I could survive. So like, no matter what 257 00:15:37,040 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 2: I'm doing, I'm always like looking for the edge for 258 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:41,040 Speaker 2: some reason, I don't know. 259 00:15:41,720 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 1: It's so true though. It's so true a lot of 260 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:46,960 Speaker 1: people because I was nuts as a kid and I 261 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:49,640 Speaker 1: played on you know, we spoke, you had a history 262 00:15:49,680 --> 00:15:52,600 Speaker 1: of playing soccer as well. I played on boys teams 263 00:15:52,640 --> 00:15:53,640 Speaker 1: until I was fifteen. 264 00:15:54,120 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 2: Wow. 265 00:15:54,440 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 1: How the people were like, are you kidding me? And 266 00:15:57,320 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: I was like yeah, I honestly, and I I think 267 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,200 Speaker 1: they learned more from playing with me than I learned 268 00:16:05,200 --> 00:16:06,280 Speaker 1: with playing with them. 269 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, totally different. Hey, yeah, I. 270 00:16:09,160 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 1: Say this all everyone always thinks, oh my god, that's 271 00:16:11,840 --> 00:16:14,320 Speaker 1: why you know, all these young girls are so good 272 00:16:14,400 --> 00:16:17,400 Speaker 1: who grow up playing with boys sports and this and that, 273 00:16:17,440 --> 00:16:19,840 Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, I think it was a really 274 00:16:20,480 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: insane learning lesson for them because I was made fun 275 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: of so much and they were like, oh, you have 276 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: a girl on your team and she's the goalkeeper. It's 277 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:32,240 Speaker 1: going to be a joke. But the way they learned 278 00:16:32,240 --> 00:16:36,400 Speaker 1: to respect me, how to talk to me, like yeah, 279 00:16:36,440 --> 00:16:40,200 Speaker 1: these type of lessons. They protected me like I was 280 00:16:40,280 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: their sister, and I think, you know, they couldn't have 281 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,960 Speaker 1: like the boy talk in the locker room wasn't to 282 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:48,320 Speaker 1: disrespect me. 283 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:53,200 Speaker 2: I think it's important to mix yes, like oh like genders, 284 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: like mix them up, Like when you get sent away 285 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:57,680 Speaker 2: to like a girls school or whatever and boys' school, 286 00:16:58,040 --> 00:17:00,840 Speaker 2: Like those kids just don't learn how to operate together 287 00:17:00,880 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 2: as a society and they come out into the real 288 00:17:02,720 --> 00:17:05,239 Speaker 2: world and they don't know what's going on. So I 289 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 2: also think like girls in general, like watching my young nieces, 290 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 2: like attack sports, they think things through a lot more. 291 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 2: They like their process is different. It's maybe not as 292 00:17:16,359 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 2: quick as the boys, but the end result is sometimes 293 00:17:19,560 --> 00:17:22,439 Speaker 2: better because they have thought it through and they've you know, 294 00:17:22,520 --> 00:17:24,800 Speaker 2: they've taken time to watch what's going on and like 295 00:17:25,280 --> 00:17:28,320 Speaker 2: figured out like the best way to accomplish you know, 296 00:17:28,359 --> 00:17:30,400 Speaker 2: their goals and stuff in that game. 297 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:34,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, so true, different minds, Yeah, totally different minds. And 298 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: with that, like you know, Red Bull Rampage is coming 299 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:39,919 Speaker 1: up in the next few weeks and we're all going 300 00:17:39,960 --> 00:17:43,000 Speaker 1: to be there together, which I'm super stoked about. How 301 00:17:43,000 --> 00:17:45,480 Speaker 1: do you prepare for it? Like how do you prepare 302 00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:49,119 Speaker 1: because you guys build out your own lines, And I 303 00:17:49,160 --> 00:17:53,480 Speaker 1: think that's what people don't realize is like you're literally 304 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,120 Speaker 1: coming up with all of this on your own and 305 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: you don't get that much time correct, Like. 306 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's pretty quick around on that for sure. 307 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:05,400 Speaker 2: And from your scout day to the day you're riding 308 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:10,480 Speaker 2: your bike, you go through so much like growth, it's insane. 309 00:18:10,560 --> 00:18:15,439 Speaker 2: Like scout day, you have like nausea and like jelly 310 00:18:15,520 --> 00:18:19,400 Speaker 2: legs hiking up on that terrain. It's like it's unbelievable. 311 00:18:19,440 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 2: You're walking up there, You're like, how the hell am 312 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:23,600 Speaker 2: I going to bring a bike up here and ride down? 313 00:18:23,680 --> 00:18:27,480 Speaker 2: Like it seems impossible. But day after day, the process 314 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 2: of building your trail, building your line, you just get 315 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 2: more and more comfortable with the exposure, and by the 316 00:18:34,119 --> 00:18:36,080 Speaker 2: time you actually get on your bike, you're like, Okay, 317 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,640 Speaker 2: it all makes sense. And I feel like I feel 318 00:18:38,640 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 2: like that's the beauty of rampage, is that process of 319 00:18:43,680 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 2: like becoming acquainted with your line so much because you 320 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 2: actually have hands in the dirt there. You show up 321 00:18:50,520 --> 00:18:52,480 Speaker 2: to an event where you have no say in the 322 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:55,359 Speaker 2: way that something is built. It's sort of just like 323 00:18:55,840 --> 00:18:58,200 Speaker 2: showing up to a stranger's house and figuring it out 324 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 2: rather than like becoming one with your with your line 325 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:06,560 Speaker 2: and visualizing it from everything and tweaking it the way 326 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:11,400 Speaker 2: you want to ride it. Yeah, but it's also really 327 00:19:11,400 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 2: scary because it's gnarly out there, you like, so that 328 00:19:15,359 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 2: cop you have to be okay with getting really hurt. 329 00:19:18,600 --> 00:19:20,080 Speaker 2: Things don't go well, well. 330 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:23,399 Speaker 1: It's really like there's no halfway. There's no one foot in, 331 00:19:23,480 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: one foot out when it comes to this, like your 332 00:19:25,480 --> 00:19:28,159 Speaker 1: you're this is like I can go on the field 333 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,360 Speaker 1: and not. It's not life or death. Let's just say that. 334 00:19:31,920 --> 00:19:37,240 Speaker 1: So honestly, though, the mental load and the mental preparation 335 00:19:37,800 --> 00:19:41,960 Speaker 1: you're talking about physical, the mental load it takes to 336 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 1: charge something the way you do is not a small 337 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,879 Speaker 1: feat And I'm curious, like how do you hold that 338 00:19:49,960 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 1: pressure and what? What do people not know that they 339 00:19:56,240 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 1: don't quite realize about the strategy behind ramp that you 340 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:06,040 Speaker 1: would actually tell someone tuning in who would have no context, like, 341 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: what is the strategy behind it that maybe most people 342 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 1: don't talk about. 343 00:20:13,320 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 2: Well, I feel like it's different for everyone, but for 344 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 2: me it's I see it as like an energy budget. 345 00:20:20,440 --> 00:20:22,920 Speaker 2: I have my mental energy budget and then my physical 346 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 2: energy budget because we're digging all day every day for 347 00:20:26,680 --> 00:20:31,879 Speaker 2: like over a week. It is something else to like 348 00:20:32,040 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 2: hop on your bike after being on the tools for 349 00:20:34,760 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 2: like huge days. It's like you have to take care 350 00:20:40,200 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 2: and take cabs on where you are physically, because if 351 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:46,840 Speaker 2: you are totally gassed by the time contest day comes around, 352 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,320 Speaker 2: you're not going to be able to hold onto those 353 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 2: huge sens that you've prepared for yourself, like you're gonna like, yeah, 354 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:55,520 Speaker 2: you need to make sure that you save in your 355 00:20:55,600 --> 00:20:59,960 Speaker 2: energy and making sure that you have built a line 356 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: that accounts for that energy loss as well, because you're 357 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: not going to be one hundred percent on game day. 358 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:09,960 Speaker 2: That's just it's just like not going to happen because 359 00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: you've been working so hard, you're going to be so tired. 360 00:21:13,560 --> 00:21:17,840 Speaker 1: And then like, yeah, stude, how do you calculate risk though? 361 00:21:18,280 --> 00:21:21,200 Speaker 1: Like because you're building this out, like when you talk 362 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:24,560 Speaker 1: about risk versus reward, like that's like what we talk 363 00:21:24,640 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: about in soccer, right. Our job in soccer is to 364 00:21:27,640 --> 00:21:31,119 Speaker 1: manipulate the opponent, right, So sometimes we'll play with the 365 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:35,160 Speaker 1: three back. Sometimes we're flying numbers forward because we're calculating 366 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:38,639 Speaker 1: risk versus reward. So how do you do that in 367 00:21:38,680 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 1: your sport where you're like, oh shit, I have to 368 00:21:42,440 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: show my artistry in this, however, like something has to 369 00:21:47,119 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 1: be calculated because if I do all this and lay 370 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:53,600 Speaker 1: all the groundwork, yeah, and something major happens, like I'm 371 00:21:53,680 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 1: kind of fucked totally. 372 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I feel like it takes a long time 373 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:01,960 Speaker 2: to you know, get to know the terrain. The way 374 00:22:02,040 --> 00:22:04,960 Speaker 2: that the weather works in that area as well is 375 00:22:05,000 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 2: really important because I mean I always try and pick 376 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,760 Speaker 2: a line that's out of the wind because it is 377 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 2: so windy there, and sometimes you have to compete in 378 00:22:14,480 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 2: a bit of wind or like ride down this like 379 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:20,960 Speaker 2: like avoid ridge line, I avoid ridgelines. It all costs. 380 00:22:20,960 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm like, Okay, if I have to touch a ridgeline, 381 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: it's going to be quick and I'm not gonna like 382 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,400 Speaker 2: be on the ridge the whole way, because if you're 383 00:22:28,480 --> 00:22:31,280 Speaker 2: riding in the wind, you're dead. Like it's so gnarly. 384 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:33,560 Speaker 2: If you hit a drop and the wind catches your 385 00:22:33,560 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 2: tires or your wheels, you're like you have no chance 386 00:22:36,840 --> 00:22:42,360 Speaker 2: of like recovering from that. It's yeah. So and sometimes 387 00:22:42,359 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 2: the wind just kicks out like during your race, during 388 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,360 Speaker 2: your during your event, and like you have to account 389 00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 2: for that, and then also digging. You want to be 390 00:22:51,840 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: able to dig in the shade, so I try to 391 00:22:55,480 --> 00:22:58,439 Speaker 2: figure out where on the mountain the sun's gonna be 392 00:22:59,280 --> 00:23:03,040 Speaker 2: and the best way to dig, like out of the elements, 393 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:06,679 Speaker 2: it's all about saving energy. Those little percentages make a 394 00:23:06,760 --> 00:23:10,800 Speaker 2: huge difference. And the ridge lines, yeah, they're sick and 395 00:23:10,840 --> 00:23:15,119 Speaker 2: they're huge showboat like drops and stuff. But I'm like, 396 00:23:15,680 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 2: for me, it's like longevity. Oh yeah for a long time. Yeah, 397 00:23:20,280 --> 00:23:22,800 Speaker 2: you can make an insane run off the ridge lines 398 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:23,160 Speaker 2: as well. 399 00:23:23,400 --> 00:23:26,080 Speaker 1: And Casey, how old are you now? Because like it's 400 00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,280 Speaker 1: so funny to me. I asked this because I'm laughing 401 00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 1: in my head because you've really laid like you've been 402 00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:35,199 Speaker 1: such a pivotal figure in what you've been doing. And 403 00:23:35,240 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: you're also like a fucking child. I mean, like you've 404 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:41,120 Speaker 1: been doing this for decades and you're one of the 405 00:23:41,160 --> 00:23:44,240 Speaker 1: ogs who's like a child. 406 00:23:45,040 --> 00:23:49,479 Speaker 2: I am. I'm like the oldest gromole now. Yeah, like 407 00:23:49,840 --> 00:23:50,720 Speaker 2: I'm thirty four. 408 00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,920 Speaker 1: Now, crazy, I know. So yeah, you've been doing this 409 00:23:55,040 --> 00:23:57,960 Speaker 1: for so long, so long, I. 410 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: Know, but it's been that's an adventure and I feel 411 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 2: like I've done it for so long because it's been 412 00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:08,960 Speaker 2: set a dynamic journey for me and like carving this 413 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,160 Speaker 2: pathway where I'm like, I don't know where I'm going next, 414 00:24:12,200 --> 00:24:14,920 Speaker 2: but I know my goals over here and there's got 415 00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:19,640 Speaker 2: to be a way to get there. That's like, yeah, 416 00:24:19,680 --> 00:24:21,880 Speaker 2: we will figure it out somehow. So yeah, I've done 417 00:24:21,960 --> 00:24:25,719 Speaker 2: tons of different disciplines and not biking, and yeah. 418 00:24:25,200 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: Well you've also been laying the foundation for a long time. 419 00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:31,240 Speaker 1: And I think that's pretty incredible because a lot of 420 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:36,320 Speaker 1: people they don't understand the package that comes with being 421 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: the first. There's a lot of responsibility, there's a lot 422 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: of pressure, and you didn't always sign up for being 423 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:46,679 Speaker 1: the advocate. You didn't always sign up for being the fighter. 424 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 1: If you don't see it, build it, believe it, like 425 00:24:49,240 --> 00:24:52,280 Speaker 1: make this possible, give it permission for all these other 426 00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 1: young girls and women to want to be a part 427 00:24:56,320 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: of something like this. Like you're literally you make history 428 00:24:59,520 --> 00:25:02,280 Speaker 1: over an over and over. But I know that comes 429 00:25:02,320 --> 00:25:06,480 Speaker 1: with pressure. I believe, Yeah, yeah, you know you're not 430 00:25:06,560 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 1: only Yeah, you're not only like it's one thing to 431 00:25:10,200 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: like ride for yourself or play for yourself, but it 432 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: is another pressure when you're carrying the weight of the 433 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:20,199 Speaker 1: sport on your back and paving the way for so 434 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: many young girls, Like how do you hold the weight 435 00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:23,800 Speaker 1: of that? Like being the first. 436 00:25:23,680 --> 00:25:28,159 Speaker 2: It's it's so gnarly sometimes, like when I see my 437 00:25:28,760 --> 00:25:32,400 Speaker 2: friends get hurt, just like even last year when Cami crashed, 438 00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 2: I felt so much guilt. I was like because she 439 00:25:35,920 --> 00:25:38,840 Speaker 2: hit her head so hard, her face was like split 440 00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 2: in half, Like it was so gnarly, and I just 441 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 2: like like, oh my god, was this a good idea? 442 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,680 Speaker 2: Like all these like thoughts came rushing through my head 443 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:50,080 Speaker 2: like should have I not pushed for this? Like it's 444 00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:54,639 Speaker 2: just like you feel the weight of everyone's Like you know, 445 00:25:54,960 --> 00:25:57,720 Speaker 2: any mistake somebody makes you, Like, is that on me? 446 00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:01,879 Speaker 2: Like did I was? I? Like did I do that? 447 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 2: Like so gnarly? And yeah, because you know, yeah, it's 448 00:26:08,000 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 2: it's not chill out there when somebody goes down. It's 449 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:11,800 Speaker 2: it's pretty serious. 450 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:15,240 Speaker 1: So yeah, And I'm curious because it is a lot 451 00:26:15,240 --> 00:26:19,720 Speaker 1: of pressure, and you know, both of us know, being 452 00:26:19,920 --> 00:26:24,280 Speaker 1: in the elite, in the one percent, I mean, we're 453 00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:27,240 Speaker 1: one percenters of what we do comes with a lot 454 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:31,119 Speaker 1: of like setbacks comes with a lot of injuries, And 455 00:26:31,160 --> 00:26:34,920 Speaker 1: I say just often, you know, I was I had 456 00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,840 Speaker 1: so many injuries as a player, and people were always wondering, like, 457 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:42,320 Speaker 1: how do you like keep playing after all of this? 458 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:48,040 Speaker 1: And I say this with the most like truth in 459 00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:52,000 Speaker 1: my heart. Without all of my injuries and without all 460 00:26:52,040 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: of my setbacks, I wouldn't be the person I am today. 461 00:26:54,960 --> 00:27:00,000 Speaker 1: The amount of character it instills when everything is stripped 462 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,560 Speaker 1: to weigh and you have to sit with yourself and 463 00:27:02,600 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: you have to sit with yourself and get up and 464 00:27:04,800 --> 00:27:07,119 Speaker 1: learn to like walk again. Like I've had both of 465 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:11,720 Speaker 1: my knees reconstructed ACL and cl meniscus, like you need 466 00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:16,320 Speaker 1: it to how fucking humbling to wake up from that surgery. 467 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,000 Speaker 1: And yet I couldn't even lift my leg I couldn't. 468 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:22,399 Speaker 1: I had to learn to walk without a limp. And 469 00:27:22,440 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 1: I'm like, how am I ever going to get back 470 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:29,680 Speaker 1: on the biggest stage in the world? And has that been? 471 00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:33,040 Speaker 1: Have you felt that in any way? What was the 472 00:27:33,080 --> 00:27:35,720 Speaker 1: biggest setback that has taught you so much? 473 00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:42,800 Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean I've had lots of injuries, and you know, 474 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:47,280 Speaker 2: it's like such a learning opportunity. Every single injury has 475 00:27:47,359 --> 00:27:52,800 Speaker 2: like so much like wisdom in it if you just 476 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,400 Speaker 2: look like, there's so many good lessons with any kind 477 00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 2: of setback, like even like sponsorship wise, if you lose 478 00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,440 Speaker 2: a sponsor, Like you know, any kind of setback has 479 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,359 Speaker 2: some beautiful lessons in it, and you just have to 480 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:10,399 Speaker 2: look for the good things within every like setback. And 481 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 2: it feels like a long climb back sometimes, but it's 482 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:17,919 Speaker 2: just like you got to just take it little bite 483 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:22,760 Speaker 2: by little bite and eventually you'll get back there. But yeah, 484 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: it is so hard sometimes you just like is it 485 00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:32,959 Speaker 2: worth it? Like you go through this whole thing, like, yeah. 486 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,840 Speaker 1: Stay tuned, I'll be back in just a moment after 487 00:28:34,880 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 1: this brief message from our sponsors. Yeah, that's the those 488 00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: those moments when you're talking to yourself in the darkest 489 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: hours will teach you so much about resilience and showing 490 00:28:50,720 --> 00:28:53,520 Speaker 1: up because you have to get you have to push. 491 00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 1: There's like a wall, you know, when when things happen, 492 00:28:57,040 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 1: whether you make mistakes, whether you fuck up in front 493 00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:03,360 Speaker 1: of every one or you have gnarly injuries, the difference. 494 00:29:04,080 --> 00:29:06,800 Speaker 1: We have to wake up every single day and choose 495 00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: to do it again. Yeah, that that mental load is 496 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 1: what people don't understand. It's like I'm choosing when I 497 00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,200 Speaker 1: barely can get out of bed to put a smile 498 00:29:18,280 --> 00:29:21,160 Speaker 1: on and do it over and over and over again. 499 00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 2: Figure it out and you figure it out. 500 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:25,920 Speaker 1: And if it didn't, you know, after one injury, if 501 00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:29,160 Speaker 1: I can't move the way I used to, it's my 502 00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:32,000 Speaker 1: job to figure out the cheap code on how to 503 00:29:32,040 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: get back there and it might be different. 504 00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:40,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, it's so crazy changes after injury. It's like, wow, 505 00:29:40,440 --> 00:29:42,760 Speaker 2: this is new, this is a new body. Let's figure that. 506 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: Let's figure it out exactly. And you know when so 507 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:51,560 Speaker 1: often have been left off and left out of these biggest, 508 00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: biggest stages and extreme sports, like well, I'm curious what 509 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,640 Speaker 1: barriers are still in the way and how you see 510 00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:03,200 Speaker 1: this moment shifting the land landscape because of Red Bull Rampage. 511 00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,520 Speaker 2: I just feel like once there's you know, the equal 512 00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,560 Speaker 2: pay and stuff, it just represents that I'm out of 513 00:30:11,560 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 2: respect and it allows for the younger generation to come 514 00:30:15,840 --> 00:30:21,360 Speaker 2: through with full force. And the earlier you can get 515 00:30:21,560 --> 00:30:24,560 Speaker 2: into the sport that you want to do and thrive 516 00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: within it, like the higher the talent pool is going 517 00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:30,840 Speaker 2: to be and the deeper the talent pool is going 518 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 2: to be. I still feel like there's like a bit 519 00:30:34,400 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: of you know, community that needs to be built around 520 00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:43,080 Speaker 2: the women's freear i'd seen. So I created dark Horse 521 00:30:43,200 --> 00:30:45,560 Speaker 2: to kind of do that, like bring all the girls 522 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,080 Speaker 2: together that may not know each other from an area 523 00:30:48,120 --> 00:30:53,080 Speaker 2: and like build the community with my event. And yeah, 524 00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:57,920 Speaker 2: it's made so many little core crews around the world. 525 00:30:57,960 --> 00:30:58,480 Speaker 1: I love it. 526 00:30:59,080 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, So just like helps you know when you have 527 00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:04,360 Speaker 2: like a crew to do the thing that you want 528 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:06,560 Speaker 2: to do well, which is like a huge difference. 529 00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, and I love that, and I love what you've built. 530 00:31:09,120 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 1: But most people who are listening right now, they don't 531 00:31:12,280 --> 00:31:15,280 Speaker 1: know what dark Horse is. Do you mind explaining like 532 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,959 Speaker 1: what you built, why you built it, because it is 533 00:31:18,000 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: so important. 534 00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: Yeah. So I evolved it into five days of coaching 535 00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:27,720 Speaker 2: this year for like really up and coming riders, like 536 00:31:27,760 --> 00:31:31,000 Speaker 2: girls that just are interested in free ride or mountain 537 00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:35,320 Speaker 2: biking in general, and just like not necessarily focusing just 538 00:31:35,640 --> 00:31:39,520 Speaker 2: on the mountain biking side of it, but also focusing 539 00:31:39,720 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 2: on the the industry side of it, like how to 540 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,880 Speaker 2: deal with a concussion, how to how to you know, 541 00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 2: make a deck for your sponsors to you know, maybe 542 00:31:52,080 --> 00:31:55,800 Speaker 2: make a short film or something about mountain biking or 543 00:31:55,800 --> 00:31:59,680 Speaker 2: anything like that, and then basically how to operate within 544 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 2: the industry, because that was such a mystery for us, 545 00:32:03,160 --> 00:32:05,040 Speaker 2: Like I was when I was a grandma, was like 546 00:32:05,080 --> 00:32:06,840 Speaker 2: I don't know how to get a sponsor, Like what, 547 00:32:06,920 --> 00:32:09,440 Speaker 2: I don't know what they want? Like, you got to 548 00:32:09,480 --> 00:32:11,680 Speaker 2: figure that out the hard way when you're when you're 549 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,760 Speaker 2: you know, carving a path. And so I'm just trying 550 00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:19,520 Speaker 2: to deliver that in a way where these girls like, 551 00:32:20,360 --> 00:32:22,520 Speaker 2: if you want to be a free rider, here's the 552 00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 2: here's the instruction manual, and like do it in an 553 00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:30,640 Speaker 2: authentic way, and you know, like be yourself and find 554 00:32:30,720 --> 00:32:35,200 Speaker 2: your path within mountain biking wherever it may lead you. 555 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:38,960 Speaker 2: But yeah, meet your heroes and ride Darkness. And then 556 00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: the winner of the dark Horse Award gets an entry 557 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:46,800 Speaker 2: to Natural Selection Bike in New Zealand. So yeah, it's 558 00:32:46,880 --> 00:32:49,120 Speaker 2: kind of like an on ramp from like very very 559 00:32:49,120 --> 00:32:52,200 Speaker 2: beginnings to like maybe at the end you get to 560 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 2: go to a main stage event. And yeah, that's the 561 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:59,640 Speaker 2: idea is just you know, trying to give that opportunity 562 00:32:59,640 --> 00:32:59,960 Speaker 2: to the grow. 563 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:03,200 Speaker 1: I love that and it's so powerful and so needed, 564 00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: and I don't see that very often when it comes 565 00:33:06,320 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: to women's sports in general. Is really laying that foundation 566 00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 1: and that access is really what you're granting them, is 567 00:33:15,240 --> 00:33:16,520 Speaker 1: this type of access. 568 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,720 Speaker 2: It's like my idea for it is like because we 569 00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:23,840 Speaker 2: do when we go to events, like our field is 570 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:28,440 Speaker 2: so much smaller than the men's field, so each individual 571 00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 2: holds so much more pressure on themselves to like not 572 00:33:31,640 --> 00:33:35,400 Speaker 2: get hurt or like to be successful because you're taking 573 00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 2: such a bigger percentage of the main show on yourself. 574 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:42,000 Speaker 2: Like last year, we had eight girls at Rampage and 575 00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:45,160 Speaker 2: I was like, if you know, if half of us 576 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 2: get hurt or like can't compete on the main day, 577 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,880 Speaker 2: then we only have four riders in the whole category. 578 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 2: Like doesn't happen at natural selection last year the same 579 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,200 Speaker 2: amount of guys got hurt as women, but because our 580 00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,680 Speaker 2: field was so small, we only had four riders at 581 00:34:00,680 --> 00:34:03,920 Speaker 2: the end, and it just made us look not that sick, right, 582 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:07,360 Speaker 2: Like it's sweet we had a category, but I feel 583 00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:10,359 Speaker 2: like if we deepen and strength in the field would 584 00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:10,919 Speaker 2: be so much better. 585 00:34:12,480 --> 00:34:15,680 Speaker 1: Agree, And now that like I want to peel back 586 00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:20,120 Speaker 1: the layers a little bit because I imagine someone like yourself. 587 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:24,759 Speaker 1: You're always chasing the like adrenaline of what you do. 588 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,839 Speaker 1: And I'm curious on the human side, like, you know, 589 00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:32,160 Speaker 1: what what do you do outside of riding and the 590 00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:38,160 Speaker 1: high intensity and level of adrenaline that you chase doing 591 00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:41,320 Speaker 1: the sport that you love, Like what brings you peace? 592 00:34:42,120 --> 00:34:45,480 Speaker 1: Like who are you outside of riding in the bike? 593 00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:51,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, I feel like balance is so key, And recently 594 00:34:51,719 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 2: I've acquired horses, and I have like other things that 595 00:34:57,160 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 2: I do, like to do art, and I like to 596 00:34:59,200 --> 00:35:04,040 Speaker 2: have like you know, downtime and different skill sets to 597 00:35:04,120 --> 00:35:06,879 Speaker 2: work on. And I feel like having diversity in your 598 00:35:06,880 --> 00:35:11,319 Speaker 2: life and you know, like having family dinners and like 599 00:35:12,000 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 2: bringing friends and people together is so important for me. 600 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 2: And yeah, I have this intense athlete life, but I 601 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:25,080 Speaker 2: also have this really wholesome life at home that is 602 00:35:25,760 --> 00:35:28,320 Speaker 2: really fulfilling as well. It's sick. 603 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: I think it is so important and you nailed it. 604 00:35:32,160 --> 00:35:35,279 Speaker 1: Balance is so key, I think, you know, especially with 605 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:38,200 Speaker 1: the high intensity and impact that it takes to do 606 00:35:38,280 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: what you do, like without that balance, like you're totally 607 00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:45,960 Speaker 1: depleted because it takes so much mental strength and fortitude 608 00:35:45,960 --> 00:35:50,360 Speaker 1: and physical like it's just encompassing such a big part 609 00:35:51,120 --> 00:35:53,960 Speaker 1: of how you move, Like it you've got to be 610 00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:56,560 Speaker 1: able to shut off, Like you have to be able 611 00:35:57,440 --> 00:36:02,400 Speaker 1: to find peace and be grounded because the smallest mistakes, 612 00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 1: I would imagine are so costly and what you do 613 00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 1: you know, like I can make a mistake and there's 614 00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: ten other players and all these people have my back, 615 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:15,680 Speaker 1: and like that that doesn't exist. You make one wrong mistake, 616 00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: it's a huge fucking deal. 617 00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:20,279 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a long road back. 618 00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:26,640 Speaker 1: So when you look ahead to rampage now, you know 619 00:36:26,719 --> 00:36:30,080 Speaker 1: in October, like what's your vision for the moment when 620 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,959 Speaker 1: you're at the bottom, Like when you've charged your run, 621 00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:35,359 Speaker 1: no matter how it goes, Like what does that look 622 00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:38,480 Speaker 1: like for you? Do you imagine and do you have 623 00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:42,360 Speaker 1: a mindset when it comes to you know, I imagine 624 00:36:42,360 --> 00:36:44,879 Speaker 1: you're going through what you're going to do and how 625 00:36:44,880 --> 00:36:47,719 Speaker 1: you're going to accomplish it, But like, what is the 626 00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,080 Speaker 1: moment for you at the bottom. 627 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,680 Speaker 2: I think like having my family there is so nice. 628 00:36:53,760 --> 00:36:56,360 Speaker 2: Like last year, my sisters greeted me at the bottom 629 00:36:56,360 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 2: after my run and it was like so emotional. It 630 00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200 Speaker 2: was like one of the things I've been working on 631 00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 2: my whole career and just having my family there was 632 00:37:05,760 --> 00:37:11,800 Speaker 2: so big for me and that support, and I feel 633 00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:16,040 Speaker 2: like for me, my run is supposed to be fun, 634 00:37:16,400 --> 00:37:20,840 Speaker 2: challenging and showcase my personality. And that's my goal this 635 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:25,160 Speaker 2: year as well, is just to like showcase my playpable 636 00:37:25,200 --> 00:37:28,720 Speaker 2: personality through the way I ride my bike. Challenge myself enough, 637 00:37:29,400 --> 00:37:32,279 Speaker 2: not riding out of my skin, not doing anything that 638 00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:37,200 Speaker 2: I don't know how to do already, because that's like, yeah, 639 00:37:37,280 --> 00:37:39,279 Speaker 2: you don't want to get hurt. You want to make 640 00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:43,480 Speaker 2: it to the bottom. So yeah, I just try and 641 00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,240 Speaker 2: you know, do my best to have the best time 642 00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 2: at rampage and not like you know, make it the 643 00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 2: big stressful thing, because that's not That's not why I 644 00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,600 Speaker 2: ride a bike. Don't ride a bike for that reason. 645 00:37:58,640 --> 00:37:59,560 Speaker 2: I want to have bought. 646 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:02,839 Speaker 1: I love that, And you need the freedom to have fun, 647 00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:05,560 Speaker 1: and I love that you lay the foundation and landscape 648 00:38:05,560 --> 00:38:09,319 Speaker 1: for that and not take yourself too seriously because I 649 00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:11,920 Speaker 1: mean it's a lot of pressure on your shoulders, and. 650 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:14,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean as well as grating a bite, like, yeah, 651 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:17,759 Speaker 2: we're so lucky that we get to do that for 652 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:23,719 Speaker 2: like for a living, and yeah, if you showcase the 653 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:26,040 Speaker 2: fun and the good, then more people are going to 654 00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 2: want to do it absolutely like showcasing the scary and 655 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:30,960 Speaker 2: the not though, butns so. 656 00:38:31,560 --> 00:38:34,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I hope, you know, as we continue to 657 00:38:34,480 --> 00:38:39,360 Speaker 1: talk more about, you know, these incredible action sports and 658 00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:43,560 Speaker 1: extreme sports that exist and now are opening up and 659 00:38:43,600 --> 00:38:46,400 Speaker 1: paving the way for categories of just women and girls. 660 00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,840 Speaker 1: I think it's so vital and so important. And I 661 00:38:49,920 --> 00:38:54,319 Speaker 1: appreciate your activism and continuing to not only do what 662 00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,560 Speaker 1: you love but lay the landscape so other people can 663 00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,879 Speaker 1: do it as well. And I think that's what makes 664 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:04,839 Speaker 1: you so special. I hope everyone tunes in to Red 665 00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:08,959 Speaker 1: Bull Rampage, which is coming up in October. There's two 666 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: days correct of writing. Yeah, what do you want to 667 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:15,000 Speaker 1: what do you want to tell the listeners? 668 00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:15,120 Speaker 2: What? 669 00:39:15,239 --> 00:39:18,200 Speaker 1: What would you like to leave them besides tuning in 670 00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,280 Speaker 1: to Red Bull Rampage. 671 00:39:22,040 --> 00:39:24,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean cune in. Women are riding on the sixteenth, 672 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:29,080 Speaker 2: men are riding on the eighteenth. It's gonna be an 673 00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:32,600 Speaker 2: insane year because we're on a different venue than last year. 674 00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,640 Speaker 2: This venue has been used before, so we're going to 675 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:38,640 Speaker 2: see the Lady sending it so much bigger and harder 676 00:39:38,680 --> 00:39:41,320 Speaker 2: than last year because last year on like a fresh 677 00:39:41,400 --> 00:39:46,239 Speaker 2: venue that didn't have anything pre built. So yeah, we've got, like, 678 00:39:46,800 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 2: I'm really excited to see this year, and we have 679 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:51,120 Speaker 2: a bigger feel this twelve women this year as opposed 680 00:39:51,160 --> 00:39:54,000 Speaker 2: to eight. So yep, I'm so hyped. It's gonna be 681 00:39:54,200 --> 00:39:56,279 Speaker 2: so fun out there. I can't wait to get my 682 00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:57,280 Speaker 2: shovel in the dirt. 683 00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: I love that, and I appreciate your fire. I appreciate 684 00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:05,400 Speaker 1: you being such a massive trailblazer for your sport and 685 00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:08,799 Speaker 1: you know, for the whole community at large. And I 686 00:40:08,800 --> 00:40:12,600 Speaker 1: appreciate you taking the time today and really unpacking what 687 00:40:12,719 --> 00:40:15,640 Speaker 1: it takes to be the best and really peeling back 688 00:40:15,640 --> 00:40:18,440 Speaker 1: the layers and the vulnerability of how hard it is 689 00:40:18,480 --> 00:40:21,600 Speaker 1: to do what we do. And we want to create 690 00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,920 Speaker 1: more opportunity for this younger generation to not be scared 691 00:40:26,960 --> 00:40:30,960 Speaker 1: and to charge it and anything is possible. And what 692 00:40:31,560 --> 00:40:35,560 Speaker 1: a cool way to have these young kids just absolutely 693 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:39,279 Speaker 1: adore and look up to you. And I love that, 694 00:40:39,320 --> 00:40:42,480 Speaker 1: and I appreciate it, and let's continue the good fight 695 00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:46,200 Speaker 1: of opening these doors for other women so they can 696 00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,160 Speaker 1: do the things that we've done. 697 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,719 Speaker 2: Yeah, hell yeah, I feel and I'm so stoked. I'll 698 00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,360 Speaker 2: see in a few days down in the desk. 699 00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:56,040 Speaker 1: Yes, I'll see soon. So good to meet you. It's 700 00:40:56,040 --> 00:40:58,359 Speaker 1: so good to see you, Casey. Thank you for tuning in. 701 00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:02,720 Speaker 1: And hey everyone, thanks for another episode of Wide Open. 702 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:03,840 Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. 703 00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:05,560 Speaker 2: Awesome, Thank you. 704 00:41:06,960 --> 00:41:10,920 Speaker 1: Wide Open with Ashlin Harris is an iHeart women's sports production. 705 00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,040 Speaker 1: You can find us on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, 706 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:19,280 Speaker 1: or wherever you get your podcasts. Our producers are Carmen 707 00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:25,200 Speaker 1: Borca Correo, Emily Maronoff, and Lucy Jones. Production assistants from 708 00:41:25,600 --> 00:41:31,080 Speaker 1: Malia Aguidello. Our executive producers are Jesse Katz, Jenny Kaplan 709 00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:35,120 Speaker 1: and Emily Rudder. 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