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Speaker 1: Welcome into the lounge for Zenta by DraftKings. I'm Gary

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Speaker 1: Downing here with Clifton Brown, and today we are so excited,

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Speaker 1: so welcome back a familiar face, Chuck Wagano, our new

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Speaker 1: senior secondary coach.

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Speaker 2: He's back here in the building.

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Speaker 1: Of course, was here two thousand and eight to twenty

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Speaker 1: eleven on the defensive side of the ball. So Chuck,

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Speaker 1: we're excited to have you back. How's it feel?

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Speaker 3: Awesome? Yeah? Awesome. You know, retirement is overrated.

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Speaker 4: You're just talking to the staff meeting yesterday, the first

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Speaker 4: one that John has had since I've been back, and yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's overrated. You just can't, you know, you do you

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Speaker 4: know you do this for thirty six years, eighteen in

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Speaker 4: college and eighteen in the NFL, and you're part of

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Speaker 4: something for so long, part of a team. You just

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Speaker 4: can't replicate that, you know. So being away was great.

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Speaker 4: A lot of good family time, a lot of golf.

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Speaker 4: I can only play so much golf. You just can't.

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Speaker 4: You just can't replicate, you know, game day, the competition,

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Speaker 4: the relationships, the camaraderie, all that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 3: So it's great to be back.

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Speaker 2: It's awesome, does it feel like riding a bike.

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Speaker 1: Like a lot in some ways, A lot has changed

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Speaker 1: since you were back last year in twenty eleven. You know,

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Speaker 1: it's a good amount of time, especially in the NFL,

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Speaker 1: so coaching staff has changed, but there's a lot of

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Speaker 1: familiar faces here as well. Does it feel like you're

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Speaker 1: starting fresh? Does it feel like riding a bike? You're

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Speaker 1: right back to where you were? How does it feel?

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Speaker 3: Probably a little both.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, first day I walked in, I flew in on

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Speaker 4: a Sunday, so the only person here was Megan, you know,

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Speaker 4: so when I walked up those stairs and I saw

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Speaker 4: her in the office, it was like riding a bike.

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Speaker 4: Then you come in the next day in Vala, sitting there,

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Speaker 4: you know, so big home.

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Speaker 2: From val Yeah, right back where I started.

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Speaker 4: Got of familiar faces, like you said. So, yeah, the

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Speaker 4: building's grown by leaps and bounds. But pretty much as

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Speaker 4: long as I can, I can find my office, I

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Speaker 4: can find a weight room, training rooms out of order

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Speaker 4: right now they're redoing that, I guess, but and then

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Speaker 4: the cafeteria.

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Speaker 3: But no, it's uh, it's.

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Speaker 4: Weird because it almost feels like you never left and

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Speaker 4: it's been what twelve thirteen years?

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Speaker 3: That's going.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, I heard you talking about the conversation with John

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Speaker 5: about taking his job, and he called you talking about

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Speaker 5: another coach and another opening, and then kind of asked

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Speaker 5: you what are you up to? You just kind of

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Speaker 5: describe that conversation and were you thinking about until he

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Speaker 5: said what are you doing about coming back here?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I don't think I ever stopped, you know, considering it.

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Speaker 4: You know, they always ask hey, would you go back?

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Speaker 4: Would you go back? As long before my conversation with John,

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Speaker 4: never say never, right situation. If it was the right situation,

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Speaker 4: it was good for myself, good for the family, Like

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Speaker 4: if everything was like in order, never say never. But yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're talking about another guy for another position, you know,

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Speaker 4: and then throws that out there, how you doing that?

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Speaker 3: Was life? For your hitching? You got any desire? You know?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, what are you talking about? You know,

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Speaker 4: what's what's the you know, what's.

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Speaker 3: The job description or whatever.

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Speaker 4: But we have we had stayed in touch, you know, uh,

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Speaker 4: the entire time over the years and text here and

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Speaker 4: there and congrats on this, congrats on.

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Speaker 3: That, and so.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, there was just too much good, you know, and

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Speaker 4: like everything's fine at home. Why it's good. The kids

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Speaker 4: are good, grand kids are good. Familiarity you mentioned, you know,

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Speaker 4: familiar with the place, had been there. It's a great organization,

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Speaker 4: the gold standard of organizations. Love Steve Bushatti and everything

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Speaker 4: he's about, and from top down, the leadership, opportunity to win,

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Speaker 4: you know, just talking off camera about missing opportunities that

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Speaker 4: either national championships or world championships. So an opportunity to

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Speaker 4: come back and be with the elite, elite roster, elite people,

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Speaker 4: elite coaches and have a chance to compete for that

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Speaker 4: Lombardi again, so too much made sense.

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Speaker 1: I'm curious, is the allure of the potential of competing

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Speaker 1: for a Super Bowl really a draw?

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Speaker 2: You mentioned you were here in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the team won the Super Bowl in twenty twelve,

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Speaker 1: and that twenty eleven defense was great.

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Speaker 2: I mean that team. I've said before that I actually.

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Speaker 1: Think that in a lot of ways the twenty eleven

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Speaker 2: We both great teams, of course, but.

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Speaker 1: You know, is that so you just missed that and

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Speaker 1: you talked about missing out at the college level, like,

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Speaker 1: is the chance to compete and have potentially hoist that Lombardi.

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Speaker 1: Is that something that drives you and makes you want

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Speaker 1: to come back and give it another go.

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Speaker 3: No question. I think that's why.

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Speaker 4: You know, players, I think on the on the back end,

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Speaker 4: the twilight end of their their careers are trying to

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Speaker 4: eke out another year and stay healthy enough to do that.

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Speaker 3: Coaches.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, every you know, every time you see a

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Speaker 4: you know, a college champion crown, you see super Bowl team,

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Speaker 4: you know, you see Philly dancing under the confetti this year, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: it's like done, a lot of good things won, a

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Speaker 3: But that's that's eluded you.

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Speaker 4: So obviously, you know coming back here, you these guys

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Speaker 4: and you know have a chance.

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Speaker 3: You know, not every not everybody.

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Speaker 4: Everybody's gonna walk into their team meeting in August or

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Speaker 3: This is the goal, and we.

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Speaker 4: All know there's like a handful right realistically, you know

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Speaker 3: So definitely, you.

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Speaker 4: Know, uh, like why would you would you go do that?

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Speaker 3: Like you can sleep in.

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Speaker 4: You can do what every golf if you want to

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Speaker 4: do this, you want to do you know, passed up

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Speaker 4: on a couple, you know, our Mexico trip this spring.

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Speaker 4: I'm by fast that that's always fun. But a chance

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Speaker 4: to again to come back and be around a phenomenal

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Speaker 4: staff and great players, a great roster, great team and

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Speaker 4: a great organization and chance to hoist that. Yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 4: that's I think why we all got into this business

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Speaker 5: You walked in here two thousand and eight, and what's

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Speaker 5: seventeen years later, you're coming back. In what ways you

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Speaker 5: think you're the same as oe and in what ways

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Speaker 5: with that experience this time around.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's a great question.

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Speaker 4: Obviously, had a lot of time to reflect, you know

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Speaker 4: on that, But I think with age and with the

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Speaker 4: experience comes comes wisdom. You know, like when I was

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Speaker 4: here the first time and then going to Andy, you know,

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Speaker 4: I wish I knew you know now what I thought

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Speaker 4: nothing can prepare you to finally sit in that seat

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Speaker 4: and be a head football coach, especially at this this

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Speaker 4: level kind of learn. You learn on the fly, so

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Speaker 4: to speak. But surround yourself with great people. But I

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Speaker 4: just think I'm probably a little bit wiser, probably have

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Speaker 4: I might get a little fired up, you know, I

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Speaker 4: get a little excited physically. Physically, I can't run up

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Speaker 4: like drills full speed with these guys.

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Speaker 3: I got to get my arm, you know. Harve's like

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Speaker 2: Be will throw you know, tight spiral.

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Speaker 3: Oh you watch McAfee. You never see when I do

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna put that a little and now it's a

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Speaker 4: little it's not a legit. Well I've made a couple

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Speaker 4: I got to be able to throw dB drills or

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Speaker 1: Well, it's funny you talk about two thousand and eight

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Speaker 1: clipp rings it up like when you got here that defense,

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Speaker 1: You step in that defensive meeting room and it's like

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Speaker 1: the who's who of players ray Lewis, ed Reed, Terrell, Suggs, Helodi. No,

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Speaker 2: And those are the guys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's intimidating.

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Speaker 4: You got a bunch of Hall of fame you know

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Speaker 4: players in that room, future Hall of famers coaches. Rex

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Speaker 4: be the guy to let your teammate down, right, you know.

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Speaker 4: So it was like out of like fear of like

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Speaker 4: their teammates down, a coach letting them. They had this

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Speaker 4: circle in that defensive room. I don't know if this

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Speaker 4: called the Circle of trust, and so there was a

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Speaker 3: To earn that.

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Speaker 4: But just that, it was, it was intimidating just because

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Speaker 1: How much are you since you've been here just trying

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Speaker 3: That's everything.

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Speaker 4: learning these players. They're not here, of course, but watching

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Speaker 4: So Zach's taking us through the cutups. We're starting, you know,

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Speaker 4: Zact's doing that. You know, it's his defense to call now.

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Speaker 4: familiarize myself with these players' strengths, weaknesses and what do

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Speaker 4: Ever since I got here, long before I did. They're

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Speaker 4: five percent of time now. But it's always been about

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Speaker 4: but it's it's the identification of you know, the personnel

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Speaker 3: And it's been more about.

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Speaker 4: you know, Kyle Hamilton is like those have never changed,

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Speaker 4: It isn't just defense. Now, defense has kick the crap

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Speaker 3: It was here.

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Speaker 4: But like, if you like football, you might be in

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Speaker 4: And I think you know the fronts and the coverages

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Speaker 4: he's not afraid to you know, have uncomfortable conversations, the

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00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: ones that you know, none of us you hope you

436
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,360
Speaker 4: never have to. But he's not afraid to have those.

437
00:22:20,400 --> 00:22:24,040
Speaker 4: And because he's up front and he's forth right, and

438
00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:28,720
Speaker 4: he's honest, and he's demanding. You know, it's not just

439
00:22:28,760 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 4: going to come out of nowhere. You know, it's uh,

440
00:22:35,040 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 4: he's really yeah, he's just in like seven, what is

441
00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 4: this gonna be year eighteen? Yeah, it's like unheard of,

442
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:46,880
Speaker 4: like to think in this division. You think of what

443
00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:51,560
Speaker 4: Mike Mike right on those two going, I mean, what

444
00:22:52,040 --> 00:22:54,480
Speaker 4: are they number two? Besides behind they're one two?

445
00:22:55,800 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah. The meetings right right.

446
00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:00,280
Speaker 4: The number of times they faced, it's like onheard of.

447
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 4: I mean nowadays it's like these owners have a like

448
00:23:04,960 --> 00:23:12,119
Speaker 4: Burger King mindset. Now my way, my way, you're out.

449
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,280
Speaker 4: Got so much it's money they don't mind paying, you know,

450
00:23:16,240 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 4: whether here or not. You know, that's just but that's

451
00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:22,480
Speaker 4: the beauty of this place and some other organization that

452
00:23:22,600 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 4: understand continuity. But he's just he's just you know, I mean,

453
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 4: he's really good football mind obviously, but just it's the leader,

454
00:23:32,800 --> 00:23:34,960
Speaker 4: you know, it's he's a he's a great leader, and

455
00:23:35,040 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 4: he's He's very, very consistent, you know, and you like

456
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:41,520
Speaker 4: when you walk in here every single day, you know

457
00:23:41,560 --> 00:23:43,280
Speaker 4: what you're you know what you're getting, and that's not

458
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:46,000
Speaker 4: this up and down type thing.

459
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:46,240
Speaker 3: You know.

460
00:23:47,880 --> 00:23:50,960
Speaker 1: The last couple of years, you've watched the league from

461
00:23:50,960 --> 00:23:54,560
Speaker 1: afar looking at it as an analyst, you've been working

462
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,720
Speaker 1: on the McFee show and watching the league.

463
00:23:57,240 --> 00:23:58,159
Speaker 2: Was is there value?

464
00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:59,840
Speaker 1: And how much I guess how much did you enjoy

465
00:23:59,880 --> 00:24:02,359
Speaker 1: that aspect of things, being able to just watch games

466
00:24:02,359 --> 00:24:05,639
Speaker 1: and talk shop and you know, talk with the guys

467
00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:08,200
Speaker 1: about the games on a weekly basis, and then also

468
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,400
Speaker 1: maybe just to some level, like from an educational standpoint,

469
00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 1: being able to watch the league as a whole. You're

470
00:24:13,240 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: not so dialatant on one team and with the upcoming opponent,

471
00:24:16,480 --> 00:24:18,520
Speaker 1: but you're watching things from a broad lens.

472
00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:21,200
Speaker 2: How much you enjoy it? And how beneficial was that time?

473
00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:24,960
Speaker 4: Very It kept me, Number one, It kept me connected

474
00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:27,200
Speaker 4: to the game. So like when you leave the game

475
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:30,200
Speaker 4: and you think, like we talked about retirement, it's overrated,

476
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 4: Like trying to fill your days, Like if you don't

477
00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:35,800
Speaker 4: have it, you know, your next life's work, you know,

478
00:24:35,880 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: planned out, Like we're usually like got eighteen hours of

479
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,920
Speaker 4: our days kind of chewed up. And so now you're

480
00:24:42,960 --> 00:24:45,119
Speaker 4: retired and you're sitting there like, it's ten o'clock in

481
00:24:45,160 --> 00:24:47,720
Speaker 4: the morning. I've already got two workouts, and I've been

482
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:50,320
Speaker 4: to the cleaners, I've been to the grocery store, I've

483
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,400
Speaker 4: done all my honey dudes, right, and it's ten am,

484
00:24:53,520 --> 00:24:55,480
Speaker 4: and I'm sitting there like, what the hell am I

485
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,440
Speaker 4: going to do with the rest of my day? Drive

486
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,320
Speaker 4: her nuts, She's like, give me a twenty We got

487
00:25:00,320 --> 00:25:02,120
Speaker 4: to figure something out if we ain't gonna make.

488
00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:02,479
Speaker 3: It through this.

489
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:06,520
Speaker 4: And so then Pat, you know, Pat Deal came along.

490
00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,600
Speaker 4: He threw me a lifeline, you know, so to.

491
00:25:08,560 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 2: Speak, and uh, save.

492
00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,359
Speaker 4: I told Harves, I mean, giving me this opportunity, probably

493
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 4: save my marriage, you know, give me out of the house.

494
00:25:19,640 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 4: We learned to coexist, but it was, uh it was

495
00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 4: a learning process for sure, But that was that was

496
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 4: a lifeline. That that gave me a football family. It

497
00:25:31,680 --> 00:25:35,160
Speaker 4: kept me connected, you know, to the game. I would

498
00:25:35,240 --> 00:25:38,080
Speaker 4: do these you know, I would do the Thursday night

499
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:42,320
Speaker 4: game breakdown and I'd have to be the head coach

500
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,240
Speaker 4: for the road team, and then the head coach and

501
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:46,760
Speaker 4: the next segment for the for the home team and

502
00:25:47,080 --> 00:25:50,760
Speaker 4: talk about the rosters and game wreckers, and just as

503
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:53,639
Speaker 4: you would, he wanted to give people that were watching

504
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:56,240
Speaker 4: and listening a kind of a behind the curtain look

505
00:25:56,280 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 4: at what is like a what's a Wednesday look in

506
00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 4: the National Football League for a team? You know, what

507
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:04,239
Speaker 4: does that look like when the head coach comes in

508
00:26:04,280 --> 00:26:08,920
Speaker 4: and say, Okay, we're getting ready to play the Steelers. Okay, offense, defense,

509
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 4: special teams, here's the keys to victory. Here's who we

510
00:26:13,080 --> 00:26:16,359
Speaker 4: got to stop on. You know, number ninety, he can't

511
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,159
Speaker 4: wreck the game. Okay, offensive line protection. You know on

512
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,199
Speaker 4: the other side, who you know who is? So I

513
00:26:23,240 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 4: had to study and stay connected and keep watching the

514
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:31,480
Speaker 4: tape and learn these teams. So from a roster standpoint, like,

515
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,440
Speaker 4: I feel really good about not only the AFC North,

516
00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:39,040
Speaker 4: but the AFC and NFC because I've you know, had

517
00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 4: to do, you know, a bunch of games and I

518
00:26:42,720 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 4: was doing some work for the website. This team called

519
00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 4: thirty third team Mike Tannembaum started with a bunch of

520
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 4: other So there's a bunch of you know, former coaches

521
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:56,280
Speaker 4: and front office personnel, guys, players and whatnot.

522
00:26:56,359 --> 00:26:57,560
Speaker 3: So doing that.

523
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 4: Doing Pat kept me really connected, you know, to the game,

524
00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:05,080
Speaker 4: and so I felt like not only scheme wise, but

525
00:27:05,160 --> 00:27:09,560
Speaker 4: personnel wise, kind of where everybody's where everybody's at, and

526
00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,320
Speaker 4: feel really familiar with this roster as well.

527
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:16,400
Speaker 5: You mentioned, uh, you know, working with Zach and him

528
00:27:16,440 --> 00:27:18,600
Speaker 5: showing you kind of like what the guys were doing

529
00:27:18,640 --> 00:27:20,520
Speaker 5: last year and where you guys want to go. You know,

530
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 5: he's the obviously young, one of the youngest coordinators in

531
00:27:23,040 --> 00:27:27,199
Speaker 5: the league. You've been in those shoes and you know

532
00:27:27,440 --> 00:27:30,919
Speaker 5: have bring the experience. I guess what do you think,

533
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:34,000
Speaker 5: what are you hoping that you can I don't know

534
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 5: add to the sauce working with somebody like that who

535
00:27:38,119 --> 00:27:40,920
Speaker 5: you know, obviously his future is in front of him,

536
00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:44,200
Speaker 5: and you've kind of been there and done that yourself.

537
00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 3: It's kind of like whatever wherever, whatever roads.

538
00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,119
Speaker 4: He hasn't been down that I might have been down,

539
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:56,200
Speaker 4: you know for me, like when I'm going back the

540
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 4: staff that I got to where Dean was here Ted Moniic, like.

541
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,000
Speaker 3: We Clarence Brooke, God rest his life.

542
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 4: We had a phenomenal call and there's no way that

543
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 4: I would ever had any of the success without you know,

544
00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:11,480
Speaker 4: number when those players we had in the room, but

545
00:28:11,520 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 4: those those coaches and everybody's got experience and expertise and

546
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,639
Speaker 4: all those in any area that I was like, like

547
00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 4: I didn't know CB's world, Like CB knew his world

548
00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:25,600
Speaker 4: and the D line play and all those kind of things.

549
00:28:25,680 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 4: So anything that you know, something's gonna come up. It's

550
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,399
Speaker 4: like when I got the head job in Indy and

551
00:28:33,480 --> 00:28:36,879
Speaker 4: Bruce Arians was available, like you just don't get up.

552
00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:40,520
Speaker 4: Bruce Arians right out, and because Pittsburgh has parted ways

553
00:28:40,560 --> 00:28:43,280
Speaker 4: with him, he semi retired, so he came over. But

554
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:47,960
Speaker 4: Bruce was like somebody that had been there, done it,

555
00:28:48,560 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 4: not the head coach thing, but he'd been coaching for

556
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,640
Speaker 4: so long, Like stuff come across my desk now that

557
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 4: I never had to deal with, right, So I have

558
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 4: no idea what to do with this. So I go

559
00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 4: knock on his door, shut the door. And it was

560
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,880
Speaker 4: a old stage. If whatever you want to call you

561
00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 4: have wisdom, like how would you handle the situation? So

562
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:15,000
Speaker 4: if I can, uh, you know, be that guy for

563
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,040
Speaker 4: for Zach or for John for anybody else that and

564
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 4: it may be something I don't have any idea. I've

565
00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:23,400
Speaker 4: never been down. I've never experienced whatever it was. But

566
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,080
Speaker 4: hopefully there's some there's some things that you know, because

567
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:31,200
Speaker 4: we've we've gone down these roads before and some may

568
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,360
Speaker 4: have worked, some may have not. Some might be able

569
00:29:33,360 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 4: to avoid some collateral damage, if you will. But just

570
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:42,400
Speaker 4: kind of be be whatever I need to be for

571
00:29:42,400 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 4: for coach Zach and and and John and the rest

572
00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: of those guys you know, and.

573
00:29:47,720 --> 00:29:50,280
Speaker 1: Ex is another question for me is Kyle Hamilton. I mean,

574
00:29:50,280 --> 00:29:52,440
Speaker 1: this guy can do it all. He's big, he's he's

575
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 1: kind of one on one in terms of what he does.

576
00:29:54,280 --> 00:29:55,440
Speaker 1: He can play in the back end, he can play

577
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:58,320
Speaker 1: up with the line of scrimmage. And I'm just curious

578
00:29:58,320 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: for you as a coach as you're looking at this

579
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,920
Speaker 1: this defense and the secondary and thinking about ways to

580
00:30:03,040 --> 00:30:05,959
Speaker 1: use Kyle Hamilton, Like how excited does that get you?

581
00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 1: About thinking of where you can sprinkle him in on

582
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:11,200
Speaker 1: this defense and whether it's again at the line scrimmage

583
00:30:11,240 --> 00:30:12,960
Speaker 1: or deep, Like how do you want to use Kyle

584
00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: And what do you see for him?

585
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's one of those guys that there's only a

586
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,840
Speaker 4: few spots right that probably wouldn't line him up at

587
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: nose tackle you if you ask him to he probably

588
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:27,920
Speaker 4: would and do it probably pretty good. Yeah, he's a

589
00:30:28,920 --> 00:30:31,600
Speaker 4: they call him an avatar man. He's a freak. He's

590
00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:38,880
Speaker 4: he's like, I mean, unbelievable, his length, his speed, his size,

591
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,000
Speaker 4: his coverage. It for a safety, like he can cover

592
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:47,040
Speaker 4: slot receivers. It doesn't matter who it is, Like there's

593
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,680
Speaker 4: no panic, Like when you watch him out there, it

594
00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 4: doesn't matter if they got him at Nickel Big Nickel

595
00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 4: Safety Dime. From a mental standpoint, he knows all that

596
00:30:57,000 --> 00:30:59,800
Speaker 4: he's a great communicator. But his skill set and is

597
00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:05,080
Speaker 4: that athleticism, I mean, it's like, let's don't abuse it

598
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:09,280
Speaker 4: because it's so good, Like Andrew Luck, you know, and

599
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,960
Speaker 4: Andy was so brilliant, Like we put so much on

600
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 4: his play. We abused him because he was so talented

601
00:31:15,280 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 4: and so smart. Like you can do that with certain

602
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:19,680
Speaker 4: guys and you can ask him to do too much.

603
00:31:21,320 --> 00:31:24,400
Speaker 4: But this guy's, this guy's this guy's unbelievable.

604
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 2: That's interesting, just like the Luck element.

605
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:31,400
Speaker 4: Because you got this guy and there's like these offensive

606
00:31:31,400 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 4: play sheet You see these guys on the sideline, right

607
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,640
Speaker 4: and you see these call sheets, and like I'd be

608
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: at Indy, I'd be like, there's five hundred calls on

609
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,880
Speaker 4: this sheet. We can't in ten games, we can't call this,

610
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:47,560
Speaker 4: and we're making twelve and the rest of these guys

611
00:31:47,640 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 4: learn all this stuff and memorize it, and could he'd

612
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 4: have it all. He didn't need a risk band, he didn't.

613
00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,720
Speaker 4: He just guy was brilliant. I said, we abuse this

614
00:31:57,840 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 4: sometimes though, because he is so smart, and once it

615
00:32:02,120 --> 00:32:04,840
Speaker 4: starts to kind of slow him down, and the ain't

616
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,280
Speaker 4: can wait them, so to speak, and you kind of

617
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 4: back off.

618
00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,800
Speaker 1: But uh, I can see similarities there with with Kyle.

619
00:32:11,800 --> 00:32:14,080
Speaker 1: I mean, he's such a small player and he could

620
00:32:14,080 --> 00:32:16,120
Speaker 1: do somebody. You could play every position like we're talking about.

621
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 4: He's a time in and he's not going to say no.

622
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:21,200
Speaker 4: So you, as you as a coach, you have to

623
00:32:22,000 --> 00:32:25,600
Speaker 4: you have to just put some guardrails on yourself just

624
00:32:25,640 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 4: to make sure, you know, God, this would be great.

625
00:32:28,400 --> 00:32:30,320
Speaker 4: Would use him here, We'll use him here, You use

626
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: him here, use okay, well, you know we robbing Peter

627
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 4: to pay Paul, you know all those kinds of things.

628
00:32:38,280 --> 00:32:40,080
Speaker 4: Of course he's not gonna say, and he's probably gonna

629
00:32:40,080 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 4: go do it, uh and be pretty successful with any

630
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,040
Speaker 4: of all those spots, you know, which he was. But

631
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: you think about like second half, there wasn't a better

632
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:53,800
Speaker 4: defense in the National Football League, you know, like after

633
00:32:53,840 --> 00:32:58,120
Speaker 4: the buy specifically, I was you know, we paid close attention,

634
00:32:58,360 --> 00:33:01,680
Speaker 4: you know, doing what I was doing Afar. But I

635
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 4: mean they only gave up like eleven points a game,

636
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 4: almost less than two hundred and fifty yards third down.

637
00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,120
Speaker 4: They were like thirty one percent their last five six

638
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 4: games of the season going into the playoffs. There was

639
00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:18,400
Speaker 4: no defense was playing any better. But they had taken

640
00:33:18,440 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: him and just put him back at safety with Ardarius,

641
00:33:22,000 --> 00:33:24,320
Speaker 4: you know, Marlin went back to Nickel, and so there

642
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: was from a communications standpoint, all those kind of things,

643
00:33:29,520 --> 00:33:30,040
Speaker 4: things just.

644
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:33,360
Speaker 3: Kind of calmed down. Now I wasn't here. That's from Afar, right.

645
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,640
Speaker 4: Something something was was clicking, something was working, and you

646
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 4: know Zach had the secret sauce and he was hitting

647
00:33:44,240 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 4: on he was hitting on everything. His players were executing

648
00:33:47,240 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 4: at a high, high level. But you know it was

649
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Speaker 4: it was Kyle and Ad back there, communicating with everybody else.

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Speaker 4: And Marlin's really good outside, but he's really good inside.

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Speaker 4: You know, the Nickel spot, right, and Steve played played

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Speaker 4: good in this young corner. Nate's going to be you know,

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Speaker 4: sky's a limit for him.

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Speaker 3: He can. I think he's got the traits that you

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Speaker 3: got to be able to run, right, you got to.

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Speaker 1: You can do that wag Right, he's got that tumnesia, right,

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Speaker 1: you know, because the great ones, they're gonna get a

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Speaker 1: ball caught on him.

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Speaker 3: Right, You're gonna.

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Speaker 4: Be upset that said, Hey, it's gonna happen. Coach, Relax,

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Speaker 4: it's a fluke. Don't worry about it.

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Speaker 2: It's gonna be all right. You need that as a corner.

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Speaker 1: No, absolutely, Well, the last one for me is and

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Speaker 1: they don't have any more work left, but the last

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Speaker 1: one for me, just I guess, how excited are you? Like,

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Speaker 1: you're back, You're back here, You're getting a chance to

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Speaker 1: coach these guys, coaches you know, well, you learn the

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Speaker 1: players again. Like, just how excited are you for this

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Speaker 1: upcoming year?

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Speaker 4: I can't put in the words, you know, really, you

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Speaker 4: know what? It just I feel like sixty four is

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Speaker 4: the new forty four. I've been saying that, uh, you know,

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Speaker 4: long before I got back here, but I've always kind

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Speaker 4: of felt that way.

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Speaker 3: But but no, I'm I'm.

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Speaker 4: Super excited again. It feels like I never left you

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Speaker 4: know so to speak. Yeah, I mean it's a it's

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Speaker 4: an unbelievable opportunity. I'm so grateful, uh that that John

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Speaker 4: and the rest of this organization would would give me

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Speaker 4: an opportunity, you know, to come back and and be

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Speaker 4: part of this unbelievable organization, this team.

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Speaker 3: So yeah, you know, you call home.

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Speaker 4: And you talk to your family and stuff, and they

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Speaker 4: see it kind of a different maybe a little brighter

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Speaker 4: spark or whatever. You know, they can tell, they can

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Speaker 4: tell difference.

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Speaker 2: That's cool. Yeah, well we're excited.

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Speaker 1: It be fun to just catch up man, and here's

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Speaker 1: some stories. And I know that a lot of people

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Speaker 1: in this building were excited the day was announced you

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Speaker 1: were coming back, Cliff and I being two of them.

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Speaker 1: So we're fired up to have you back.

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Speaker 3: Many great Yes, right, thank you.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Thanks Scheck, welcome back into the lounge that we

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Speaker 1: are coming to you from the seat Geek Studio. We

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Speaker 1: also want to mention our partners with Draft King Sportsbook.

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Speaker 1: Ravens Draft King Sportsbook. The Crown is yours. So Cliff,

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Speaker 1: it was great to sit down with Chuck. If it

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Speaker 1: was fun to hear stories from him. He's been a

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Speaker 1: coach here who if you talk to anybody behind the

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Speaker 1: scenes here, everyone's everybody has great things to say about him,

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Speaker 1: right And I think people even like rooted for him

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Speaker 1: when he was in Indianapolis. And he's somebody that's easy

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Speaker 1: to like. He works hard, players like him, and I

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Speaker 1: just and I think that I came across in the

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Speaker 1: conversation with.

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Speaker 5: Him, no question. I mean you use the word authentic.

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Speaker 5: I mean that's Chuck. He he is who he is.

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Speaker 5: There's no stick, that's not an act. He's a very

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Speaker 5: genuine person. I think players coaches since it and coming

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Speaker 5: back in this role. You're talking about a guy who's

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Speaker 5: been a head coach, he's been a defensive coordinator, He's

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Speaker 5: worked with great players. You know, he's been here before.

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Speaker 5: I mean, he's really a wealth of information for whether

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Speaker 5: he's that war or coach Harball. He's been in those

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Speaker 5: shoes before and he's been away. So he brings a

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Speaker 5: new perspective as someone who wasn't here last year to

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Speaker 5: kind of bring fresh ideas. He loves the game. He's

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Speaker 5: so happy to be back in it. I think it

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Speaker 5: was a great high I mean Yeah, as soon as

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Speaker 5: everybody heard it was going to happen, the building got

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Speaker 5: excited because everyone knows what he brings to the table.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I think that he also was a great fit for

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Speaker 1: Zach's the coordinator, and Zach is calling the defense. But

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Speaker 1: you have this somebody who has a wealth of knowledge

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Speaker 1: at the coordinator level, at the head coach level, just

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Speaker 1: years of experience at the pro and the college game,

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Speaker 1: and so you can lean on that and it's it's

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Speaker 1: I think, really valuable and I think that the Ravens

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Speaker 1: will benefit from that. I think that players will, I

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Speaker 1: think that the defensive staff will and I just again,

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Speaker 1: I thought it was a great hire and I think

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Speaker 1: it will. We'll see the impact that it makes over

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Speaker 1: the course of the season. But I think that as

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Speaker 1: as the defense is kind of getting the foundation in

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Speaker 1: place for this upcoming season and building off what they did,

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Speaker 1: especially in the second half of last year, having Chuck

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Speaker 1: in those meetings, I think is great.

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Speaker 2: I think it's only going to help his team.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, and he's coming to a defense it's very talented

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Speaker 5: where you have versatile players. I mean just on the

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Speaker 5: back end. You know, all the things that Kyle Hamilton

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Speaker 5: can do all the things Marlon Humphrey can do to

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Speaker 5: just name two guys, that gives you more options as

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Speaker 5: a defense. And then when you have innovative coaches like

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Speaker 5: Zach Chuck, Chuck's gonna bring I know he has thoughts about, man,

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Speaker 5: you know, let's see if we can do this. I

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Speaker 5: think Kyle may be able to help us in this way,

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Speaker 5: even to build off of what they already had. I

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Speaker 5: thought it was interesting too, when he talked about how

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Speaker 5: much this defense improved over the last seven or eight

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Speaker 5: weeks of this season. The Ravens wanted that to be

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Speaker 5: their starting off point week one, the way they were

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Speaker 5: playing late in the season, not just ramp up to that.

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Speaker 5: And I think, you know, Zach having a year under

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Speaker 5: his feet, the players feeling more comfortable with what they

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Speaker 5: were doing late in the year. I think they all

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Speaker 5: feel they can start from that point, and if they

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Speaker 5: do and then improve on that as next season progresses,

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Speaker 5: think about where this defense could be come playoff time

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Speaker 5: next year. So there's a lot of things to be

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Speaker 5: excited about on the defense. And when you listen to Chuck,

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Speaker 5: you can hear the excitement that he has trying to

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Speaker 5: just wait for a doll get started.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you, so I hope that viewers and

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Speaker 1: listeners enjoy the conversation as much as we did. It

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Speaker 1: just always great this off with Chuck, So thank you

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Speaker 1: so much for watching, thank you for listening.

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Speaker 2: As always, you can email us at

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