1 00:00:01,280 --> 00:00:05,160 Speaker 1: Welcome to The Giants Huddle, a New York Giants podcast. 2 00:00:05,240 --> 00:00:07,880 Speaker 1: Welcome to the newest edition of the Giant Huttle Podcast. 3 00:00:07,920 --> 00:00:12,600 Speaker 1: Today's guest, Mike Renner, Pro Football Focuses Draft Analyst, will 4 00:00:12,600 --> 00:00:14,720 Speaker 1: be joined by Mike and just a second, but first 5 00:00:14,720 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: one reminds you you can find the Johnt Subtle podcast 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,119 Speaker 1: on Giants dot Com, the Giants Mobile append all of 7 00:00:19,120 --> 00:00:22,239 Speaker 1: your favorite podcast platforms. Go to Giants dot com slash 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,880 Speaker 1: podcast to find all of our podcast offerings. Had a 9 00:00:25,960 --> 00:00:29,080 Speaker 1: chance to catch up with Mike after the Senior Bowl 10 00:00:29,120 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 1: and we recap the week and the guys that jumped 11 00:00:31,800 --> 00:00:34,920 Speaker 1: out to him. So, Mike, um, let's just start really basic. First, 12 00:00:34,960 --> 00:00:37,560 Speaker 1: two of the guys that you expected to be really 13 00:00:37,600 --> 00:00:40,919 Speaker 1: good heading into this week that delivered on those expectations. 14 00:00:41,200 --> 00:00:43,280 Speaker 1: I think the two highest rated prospects that were on 15 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:46,360 Speaker 1: our board coming in definitely delivered. One with Javon Kinlaw, 16 00:00:46,560 --> 00:00:48,839 Speaker 1: I'm surprised even showed up because of what, you know, 17 00:00:48,880 --> 00:00:51,159 Speaker 1: how good he had, how good his tape was at 18 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:53,959 Speaker 1: South Carolina. I think he's still lit by himself as 19 00:00:54,000 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: a top ten to fifteen pick in the upcoming draft. Uh. 20 00:00:57,240 --> 00:00:59,480 Speaker 1: And the other was Josh Jens from Houston, the officsive tackle. 21 00:00:59,480 --> 00:01:02,320 Speaker 1: We've been high him throughout the whole season, eighteenth overall 22 00:01:02,360 --> 00:01:05,240 Speaker 1: player on our draft board. Uh, and he's been dominant 23 00:01:05,240 --> 00:01:07,080 Speaker 1: in the one on one reps. The best offensive tackle 24 00:01:07,160 --> 00:01:09,399 Speaker 1: here by far, far and away. I think he's could 25 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,959 Speaker 1: be getting into that first round conversation for NFL teams. 26 00:01:12,319 --> 00:01:14,440 Speaker 1: All right, let's stick with kin Law and go to 27 00:01:14,440 --> 00:01:16,759 Speaker 1: a couple other defensive lineman. I thought in Day one 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: Marlin Davidson might have been as good as kin Law 29 00:01:20,120 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: with his reps. Unfortunately, he had practiced the next two days. 30 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:23,919 Speaker 1: He heard his foot. He was in a walking boot. 31 00:01:24,240 --> 00:01:27,080 Speaker 1: But what were your expectations for him pre combined in 32 00:01:27,160 --> 00:01:28,680 Speaker 1: terms of pre senior ball, in terms of where he 33 00:01:28,680 --> 00:01:30,039 Speaker 1: thought he would get picked, And do you think he 34 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:31,800 Speaker 1: helped himself in his one day at work? He was 35 00:01:31,800 --> 00:01:33,840 Speaker 1: in the sixties on our board heading into this. I 36 00:01:33,880 --> 00:01:35,360 Speaker 1: thought saw him was kind of a Day two guy, 37 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:39,160 Speaker 1: just because what he did at Auburn. Uh. He was 38 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:41,520 Speaker 1: listen at two eighty this past season at Auburn, played 39 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,640 Speaker 1: mostly on the edge there, but I just didn't think 40 00:01:44,640 --> 00:01:46,200 Speaker 1: he had the juice to win the edge in the 41 00:01:46,280 --> 00:01:49,160 Speaker 1: NFL and so I think he realized that too. Bulks 42 00:01:49,200 --> 00:01:51,640 Speaker 1: up to two ninety seven shows up here and kicking 43 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: inside in the interior, three tech was dominating against cards. 44 00:01:54,440 --> 00:01:56,400 Speaker 1: So he had really helped himself out on that first 45 00:01:56,440 --> 00:01:58,520 Speaker 1: day with one the way and taking that box saying, hey, yeah, 46 00:01:58,520 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I can play on the interior. That's gonna be the 47 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:01,720 Speaker 1: butt I want to play in the NFL. And then 48 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,320 Speaker 1: his work against guards looked much much better than what 49 00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: we saw necessarily on tape at Auburn going against tackles 50 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:09,200 Speaker 1: on the outside, So very much a guy who is 51 00:02:09,240 --> 00:02:10,639 Speaker 1: going to move up my board after what I saw 52 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:12,800 Speaker 1: from here. Now one guy who was interesting on the 53 00:02:12,840 --> 00:02:15,000 Speaker 1: defensive line because I hadn't really read much about him 54 00:02:15,080 --> 00:02:16,640 Speaker 1: or watched him heading in here, and that was Jason 55 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: Straubridge from North Carolina just to sixty five. But he 56 00:02:19,560 --> 00:02:21,880 Speaker 1: lined up as a defensive tackle on most reps here, 57 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 1: and first couple of reps, quick feet got right around 58 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:27,800 Speaker 1: the offensive gourd. Then a couple of ups later, guy's 59 00:02:27,840 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: got his hands on him. He didn't have a shot. 60 00:02:29,600 --> 00:02:31,600 Speaker 1: So how do you project him? Is he a DT? 61 00:02:31,760 --> 00:02:33,360 Speaker 1: How NFL team is gonna use a guy like that 62 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 1: has such good athleticism. Yeah, I called him such a 63 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: tweener heading into this because you mentioned even even at 64 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: North Carolina his best reps came on the interior. But 65 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:43,560 Speaker 1: he is not not playing on the interior to sixty five. 66 00:02:43,560 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 1: That's just not a feasible thing you can do. You're 67 00:02:45,720 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: not gonna hold up there. Even guy like Robert winsor 68 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,480 Speaker 1: the Pence eight defense tackle showed up in the high 69 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:52,519 Speaker 1: two eighties. I just you worry about that guy even 70 00:02:52,560 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: being able to see the field for anything other than 71 00:02:54,760 --> 00:02:57,440 Speaker 1: third down. So Strowbridge I think still very much a 72 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:00,320 Speaker 1: product project in terms of he needs to pick a wait, 73 00:03:00,400 --> 00:03:02,560 Speaker 1: you know you either we're gonna be two six to five, 74 00:03:02,600 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: you gotta go outside, or he needs to do a 75 00:03:04,040 --> 00:03:05,799 Speaker 1: Marlon David since our a thing and start getting in 76 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:07,040 Speaker 1: some weight if he really wants to play in the 77 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:09,320 Speaker 1: interior like he's been doing here. I thought Gallimore was 78 00:03:09,360 --> 00:03:11,360 Speaker 1: the other defensive line in nevill Gallimore that kind of 79 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:13,359 Speaker 1: jumped out at me. Yeah, no one. Galtmore is high 80 00:03:13,400 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: a lot of peoples board. It's very athletic. I think 81 00:03:15,320 --> 00:03:17,079 Speaker 1: that's very easy to see compared to some of the 82 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,800 Speaker 1: other defensive tackles here. With his first step and whatnot. 83 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: I think he's still a project, prod project because he 84 00:03:24,040 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 1: has all the athleticism, but it really it seems like 85 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:28,520 Speaker 1: he's still kind of going through his moves. It's kind 86 00:03:28,560 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: of just like one move and then he's kind of done. 87 00:03:31,080 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 1: Like he's just not a natural pass rusher by any means. 88 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 1: But I think what we saw from at Oklahoma was 89 00:03:35,040 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: the guy who improved literally every single year of his 90 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,960 Speaker 1: career from a grading perspective, and so he's the guy 91 00:03:40,000 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: that you kind of bet on going forward continuing to 92 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,560 Speaker 1: get better like that. And and he was also a 93 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: guy who played at three thirty the year prior to 94 00:03:46,760 --> 00:03:48,680 Speaker 1: this is now down to around three D and looks 95 00:03:48,760 --> 00:03:51,440 Speaker 1: like a different player this year. Anyone else up front 96 00:03:51,480 --> 00:03:53,440 Speaker 1: defensive line that that really jumped to you this week? 97 00:03:53,680 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: I think it's been a pretty weak defensive line class 98 00:03:56,520 --> 00:03:58,560 Speaker 1: necessarily here in general. I think even in the draft, 99 00:03:58,640 --> 00:04:01,280 Speaker 1: like the edge group is very week just overall. But 100 00:04:01,520 --> 00:04:05,520 Speaker 1: I'll say Josh Fucci from Michigan, I thought you worry 101 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 1: about him at two forty one, Like that's a kind 102 00:04:07,840 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: of very much a tweeter. Maybe the guy has just 103 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: translates to off ball, but He's had a few bulrush 104 00:04:12,200 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: reps where it's it looks like he could actually, you know, 105 00:04:14,320 --> 00:04:16,160 Speaker 1: play it with power at the NFL level. And then 106 00:04:16,160 --> 00:04:18,560 Speaker 1: his ability to bend around the edge is different from 107 00:04:18,560 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 1: pretty much any other edge rusher here. He's pretty special 108 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: in that regard, so I think he might actually be 109 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:26,120 Speaker 1: able to play edge in the NFL. Similar size that 110 00:04:26,240 --> 00:04:29,240 Speaker 1: guy like Oshane zimmin Ziminz who came here last year 111 00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,359 Speaker 1: and waiting around two forty two and had all right 112 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,479 Speaker 1: rookie season for the Giants. It's funny. I was gonna 113 00:04:33,560 --> 00:04:35,960 Speaker 1: use him as an example to transition the linebacker because 114 00:04:35,960 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: I wasn't sure was going to be a stand up 115 00:04:37,760 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 1: guy or a defensive lineman. But I'm happy you mentioned him. 116 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: Bond is another guy from Wisconsin I think is interesting. 117 00:04:43,040 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: In his past rush reps he looked great. Then in 118 00:04:45,279 --> 00:04:47,720 Speaker 1: his coverage reps, you're like, I see, you didn't do 119 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:49,560 Speaker 1: this a whole lot of Wisconsin, did you. So how 120 00:04:49,600 --> 00:04:51,800 Speaker 1: do you guys project him? That one stuff? He could 121 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,599 Speaker 1: have really helped himself if he, you know, came here 122 00:04:53,600 --> 00:04:55,840 Speaker 1: and looked you know, spot on and coverage, because something 123 00:04:55,839 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: he really said never did in coverage at Wisconsin. But 124 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,640 Speaker 1: his has wrestling is fantastic, the way he takes on 125 00:05:01,680 --> 00:05:03,720 Speaker 1: blocks is fantastic, and he has the athleticism in the 126 00:05:03,720 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: moviment skills to play coverage. Similar The guy like for 127 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: him in the draft GA was Joe Schobert, who will 128 00:05:07,800 --> 00:05:11,600 Speaker 1: played edge at Wisconsin and then dropped off ball linebackers, 129 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: one of the best off ball linebackers in the NFL 130 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: for the Cleveland Brown So I think that could be 131 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,200 Speaker 1: Bonds transition, but it is going to be a rocky 132 00:05:17,200 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 1: one and it's just not gonna happen overnight. So to 133 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:22,080 Speaker 1: expect him to do that, but he has. He has 134 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:23,720 Speaker 1: said I want to be an off ball linebacker, That's 135 00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:25,240 Speaker 1: why I want to be playing. But to see him 136 00:05:25,240 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: still beat off and stackles a nice little value add 137 00:05:27,520 --> 00:05:29,680 Speaker 1: there for him. When I'm looking at linebackers, I want 138 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:31,520 Speaker 1: a guy that can cover. Now, you know, that's great 139 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,599 Speaker 1: to have a thumper on first down on a run 140 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,039 Speaker 1: you crashed down downhill was great, but you have to cover. 141 00:05:36,440 --> 00:05:38,360 Speaker 1: And watching those one on one reps with the linebackers 142 00:05:38,400 --> 00:05:41,120 Speaker 1: and running backs on the linebackers, no one really jumped 143 00:05:41,120 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: at me. Did I miss something or did I not 144 00:05:43,720 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 1: miss anything. Now, I don't think you really missed too much. 145 00:05:45,760 --> 00:05:49,200 Speaker 1: That the two guys who I think have impressed the most, 146 00:05:49,240 --> 00:05:52,320 Speaker 1: and those are very much tweener ish LINEBACKX terms of 147 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: Keem Davis Gaither at flash and Steak guy. He showed 148 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:58,160 Speaker 1: some explosive disability to make up ground on running backs, 149 00:05:58,200 --> 00:05:59,720 Speaker 1: which is not a lot of linebackers have been able 150 00:05:59,760 --> 00:06:01,240 Speaker 1: to do. Here. I think he has that, but he 151 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: checked into nineteen like he's very much on the low 152 00:06:04,480 --> 00:06:07,280 Speaker 1: end four linebackers. And then Jeremy Chinn, who actually played 153 00:06:07,279 --> 00:06:11,320 Speaker 1: safety at UH Southern Illinois two nineteen pounds. Also maybe 154 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:13,919 Speaker 1: he's a guy who translates to linebacker in the NFL 155 00:06:13,920 --> 00:06:15,480 Speaker 1: as well. Those are the two that probably jumped out 156 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: at me the most in terms of the one on 157 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: ones against tight ends and running backs, but very much, 158 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 1: I mean two nineteens of safety. It has been a 159 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:23,919 Speaker 1: safety for pretty much all of you know, a hundred 160 00:06:24,000 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 1: years of the NFL. Is sort of we're starting to 161 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:28,719 Speaker 1: come around on those guys possibly being linebackers, but it 162 00:06:28,760 --> 00:06:31,359 Speaker 1: is they are very undersized. Another guy, let's go to 163 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: the secondary, Kyle Dugger. I'm not sure how much you 164 00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 1: guys even graded him. Considering he was a Division two 165 00:06:35,880 --> 00:06:38,080 Speaker 1: guy coming in how much you guys have been watched it, 166 00:06:38,120 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 1: but he looked like he belonged athletically with the Division 167 00:06:41,120 --> 00:06:43,760 Speaker 1: one guy's here in mobile. Yeah, we obsolutely have not 168 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 1: grade anything outside of the FBS yet this year. We 169 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,280 Speaker 1: might end up getting some tape in grading. But even 170 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:51,200 Speaker 1: then it's like the competition grades really aren't the same. 171 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:54,400 Speaker 1: And we've even seen that in Power five versus non 172 00:06:54,400 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: power five at the FBS level. So, uh, we'll see 173 00:06:56,920 --> 00:06:58,720 Speaker 1: about him. But he has looked like he belongs here 174 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: at the Senior Bowl very much. I think it's a 175 00:07:00,960 --> 00:07:03,919 Speaker 1: fairly weak safety class in general in terms of the 176 00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,200 Speaker 1: guys here, and so he could be pushing his way 177 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:08,839 Speaker 1: up some boards. But what's all said done, And we 178 00:07:08,880 --> 00:07:11,440 Speaker 1: saw cornerbacks to drop out right before the Senior Bowl started, 179 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,240 Speaker 1: unfortunately Gladney and Fulton of course, two guys that were 180 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,320 Speaker 1: supposed to be to the top corners here. Really good 181 00:07:16,320 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 1: wide receiver class would you get to in a second, 182 00:07:18,040 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: But did any of the cornerbacks impress you that maybe 183 00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:23,320 Speaker 1: coming in use some questions about yes, it's just a 184 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:26,120 Speaker 1: terrible cornerback group here in general, in terms of there 185 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:27,560 Speaker 1: might not be a guy it's the first or second 186 00:07:27,600 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 1: round pick among this group. It's just that that's what 187 00:07:29,520 --> 00:07:31,160 Speaker 1: it is here at the Sennier. But with those guys 188 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 1: dropping out, But Troy Pride Jr. Of Notre Dame has 189 00:07:33,720 --> 00:07:37,320 Speaker 1: looked far and away the best cornerback here. Legit makeup speed, 190 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:40,320 Speaker 1: It just completely unworried about getting beaten deep uh and 191 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 1: just the smoothest athletes. Press technique has been fantastic so 192 00:07:43,200 --> 00:07:45,440 Speaker 1: far this week. So he is He's grated out the 193 00:07:45,440 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 1: best for us in those one on ones for sure. 194 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:49,040 Speaker 1: All right, so let's jump to the other side. They 195 00:07:49,040 --> 00:07:51,360 Speaker 1: had to take on a really good wide receiver class, 196 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: and I could go down the list and we'll talk 197 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 1: about a lot of the guys. But then Jefferson someone 198 00:07:55,800 --> 00:07:59,320 Speaker 1: that I hadn't watched heading in. He is one hell 199 00:07:59,360 --> 00:08:01,440 Speaker 1: of a route run and he gets separation every time 200 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,000 Speaker 1: he goes out there. Yeah, he's very crafty as a 201 00:08:04,080 --> 00:08:06,320 Speaker 1: route run, has such good suddenness and its routes. And 202 00:08:06,320 --> 00:08:08,000 Speaker 1: the biggest question mark I had with him that we 203 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:10,560 Speaker 1: kind of so I had concerns about tape at Flora's. 204 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 1: He's just a slightly built dude and at the line 205 00:08:12,640 --> 00:08:14,520 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. He would get taken out of just far 206 00:08:14,560 --> 00:08:16,520 Speaker 1: too many reps. And if you're if you can't get 207 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:19,440 Speaker 1: off the line of scrimmage consistently, you're just gonna get 208 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:21,080 Speaker 1: pressed to death once you get to the NFL, and 209 00:08:21,320 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: you're gonna get taken out of progressions and that's not 210 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: something you want or can't even see the football field with. 211 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,000 Speaker 1: So his ability to get off press coverage is watching 212 00:08:28,000 --> 00:08:30,160 Speaker 1: pressing me the most down here this season. A few 213 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:33,320 Speaker 1: uh nice releases from him, and like you mentioned, his 214 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:37,400 Speaker 1: breaks and routes are just real crisp and probably one 215 00:08:37,400 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: of the best route runners down here, not now on 216 00:08:39,080 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: kJ Hill's level. The Ohio State receiver, that guy's been 217 00:08:41,400 --> 00:08:43,240 Speaker 1: He hasn't lost a single rep in our one on 218 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,680 Speaker 1: one grading so far, but Van Jefferson's been making himself 219 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 1: some money here. What's going on with these Ohio State guys? 220 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,560 Speaker 1: We show up last year, no one's talking about Terry McLaurin. 221 00:08:51,600 --> 00:08:53,440 Speaker 1: He blows it up and that was gonna be my 222 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:55,800 Speaker 1: next question, I thought kJ Hill this week. No one 223 00:08:55,840 --> 00:08:57,280 Speaker 1: can cover the dude. He had a one hand to 224 00:08:57,320 --> 00:08:59,360 Speaker 1: catch today that was thrown behind them. That was just 225 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,640 Speaker 1: a crazy Hatch. Why are people not talking about these 226 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:04,160 Speaker 1: guys before the show up to the Senior Bowl. I 227 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 1: have Brian hartline their wide receivers coach deserves a raise 228 00:09:07,240 --> 00:09:10,240 Speaker 1: because these guys, I mean, they put up average numbers 229 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: because there's far too many of them, and uh, you know, 230 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 1: they don't really pass the ball a ton there in 231 00:09:15,240 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 1: that Ohio State offense. And kJ Hill was pretty much 232 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:19,400 Speaker 1: a slot only guy. But he comes here and is 233 00:09:19,640 --> 00:09:21,640 Speaker 1: going up against Press College on the outside and just 234 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,920 Speaker 1: turning guys inside out, putting guys in spin cycles like 235 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,520 Speaker 1: he's very gifted route runner, and all those Ohio State 236 00:09:28,559 --> 00:09:30,199 Speaker 1: guys just know how to set up, know how to 237 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 1: attack leverage, know how to you know, set up cornerbacks 238 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: along their routes. Catch Hill, I was worried about this 239 00:09:35,120 --> 00:09:37,040 Speaker 1: lack of deep speed, but he's even won some reps 240 00:09:37,080 --> 00:09:39,320 Speaker 1: going down the football field here this week. So real, 241 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: real impressive week from him. The Texas wide receiver I 242 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:44,439 Speaker 1: was aside to see the week was Devin de vern 243 00:09:44,480 --> 00:09:47,560 Speaker 1: a former track guy, Stocky the Wee can break tackles, 244 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 1: he's thick. But I think it's has been teammate Colin Johnson. 245 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 1: That's kind of stolen the show a little bit. Yeah, 246 00:09:52,280 --> 00:09:54,320 Speaker 1: Duvernet hasn't had himself a great week. He's been kind 247 00:09:54,360 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: of up and down with some nice reps. I'm not 248 00:09:56,440 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: and you do see the speed though on tape from 249 00:09:58,559 --> 00:10:00,520 Speaker 1: him when he wants to crank it up. Yeah, Colin 250 00:10:00,600 --> 00:10:03,760 Speaker 1: Johnson has been Uh, he's one that a lot higher 251 00:10:03,800 --> 00:10:05,360 Speaker 1: rate to me though. A lot of it is the 252 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:08,520 Speaker 1: kind of the cornerbacks that he's going up against. Ours 253 00:10:08,559 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: have been pretty rough. He's going out against some pretty 254 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 1: bad cornerbacks, so he's still got some concerns to his 255 00:10:13,000 --> 00:10:15,480 Speaker 1: game about uh being he doesn't have. I mean you 256 00:10:15,520 --> 00:10:17,960 Speaker 1: look at him and then Van Jefferson on routes back 257 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:20,160 Speaker 1: to back and just the Christmas in their cuts is 258 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,439 Speaker 1: just night and day. Like Colin Johnson just does not 259 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,280 Speaker 1: have that suddenness. But he's six six to twenty. Like, 260 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 1: there's a lot you can do with that guy that 261 00:10:27,760 --> 00:10:31,400 Speaker 1: doesn't necessarily have to revolve around getting wide open. How 262 00:10:31,400 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: about a guy like Mims from Balor built similarly to Johnson. 263 00:10:34,440 --> 00:10:36,600 Speaker 1: He's made a couple of really nice contested catches. Yeah, 264 00:10:36,640 --> 00:10:38,360 Speaker 1: I think he might be playing his way into sort 265 00:10:38,400 --> 00:10:40,760 Speaker 1: of like the best wide receiver here. At the Senior 266 00:10:40,760 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: Bowl of Status. Like, he's been very explosive, very physical 267 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,520 Speaker 1: along as routes and maybe too physical at times, but 268 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:48,360 Speaker 1: like I'd rather, I'd rather tone a guy down then 269 00:10:48,400 --> 00:10:50,120 Speaker 1: try to teach a guy to be physical. So I 270 00:10:50,160 --> 00:10:52,920 Speaker 1: do think that he has a little trump card here 271 00:10:52,920 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 1: that not a lot of other guys have in terms 272 00:10:54,520 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: of the size, speed, explosive in this combination is it 273 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 1: takes the box as much as you possibly can't probably 274 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: aroun the four fours jump of forty in vertical or 275 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:04,160 Speaker 1: something like that. That's just who he is. UH, And 276 00:11:04,200 --> 00:11:06,559 Speaker 1: I think he ran a limited route tree at Baylor, 277 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:09,880 Speaker 1: so watching him run more routes than what he ran 278 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: last year has been valuable for him. Anyone else's wide 279 00:11:12,960 --> 00:11:15,960 Speaker 1: receiver that has really jumped out of you, I like 280 00:11:16,679 --> 00:11:20,240 Speaker 1: Jawan Jennings here, the Tennessee wide receiver. I think he's 281 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,280 Speaker 1: had a handful of nice reps, but he's been a 282 00:11:22,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: little up and down. I wanted to see more from 283 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: him uh attacking the ball down the football field. He 284 00:11:26,559 --> 00:11:28,559 Speaker 1: had one really nice play day one where he jumped 285 00:11:28,559 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 1: over the top of a cornerback to Hall went in, 286 00:11:30,559 --> 00:11:32,480 Speaker 1: but has has lost a couple of others down the 287 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:34,599 Speaker 1: football field as well. So I'm a fan of his. 288 00:11:34,679 --> 00:11:36,800 Speaker 1: I think it was actually the highest ranked wide receiver 289 00:11:36,880 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 1: heading this week after Iook dropped out of the Senior 290 00:11:39,679 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 1: Bowl week. But I think he's had He hasn't really 291 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 1: necessarily moved up our board with his play this week, 292 00:11:45,280 --> 00:11:48,640 Speaker 1: but he's been solid. Troutman looks great uh FCS kid 293 00:11:48,640 --> 00:11:51,760 Speaker 1: out of Dayton, and he just looks the part. He 294 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:56,240 Speaker 1: just looks like a better physical specimen, faster, bigger than 295 00:11:56,280 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: a lot of other tit ends here. And this is 296 00:11:58,080 --> 00:12:01,000 Speaker 1: like why the Senior Bowl exists is for guys like him. 297 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:03,480 Speaker 1: It's because he hasn't played, you know, any sort of 298 00:12:03,720 --> 00:12:07,080 Speaker 1: competition resembling the NFL, and he comes here and all 299 00:12:07,080 --> 00:12:09,199 Speaker 1: of a sudden looks like the best tight ends you 300 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:13,040 Speaker 1: know in Mobile. So that's that's why his draft stock 301 00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,040 Speaker 1: is going to be basically tacking that box in terms of, hey, 302 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:18,480 Speaker 1: I belong with you know all these guys who are 303 00:12:18,480 --> 00:12:20,400 Speaker 1: going to be playing the NFL, I'm one of them. 304 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 1: And if not the best tight end here, he's very 305 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: much has the athleticism that you want to see at 306 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,920 Speaker 1: the position because it's it's a it's a receiving position, 307 00:12:28,280 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: the blocking aspect of it. I don't think even moves 308 00:12:30,840 --> 00:12:33,640 Speaker 1: the needle for us here in the draft process, it 309 00:12:33,720 --> 00:12:35,440 Speaker 1: is what can you do as a receiver and can 310 00:12:35,520 --> 00:12:37,000 Speaker 1: you win down the football field? And I think he's 311 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: shown them any other tight ends here sneak that went 312 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:41,839 Speaker 1: around two or the thing around three plus guys. I 313 00:12:41,880 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 1: was I was high on Jared Pickney after two thousand 314 00:12:44,120 --> 00:12:45,960 Speaker 1: and eighteen season on Vanderbilt tight end, but he's actually 315 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:47,599 Speaker 1: had one of the worst weeks of anyone here in 316 00:12:47,760 --> 00:12:50,280 Speaker 1: terms of like I just have not seen any ability 317 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:51,960 Speaker 1: to separate from him. And he's on the older side 318 00:12:51,960 --> 00:12:54,000 Speaker 1: as a red shirt senior. So I'm not sure any 319 00:12:54,000 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: of these guys. If I were to put a name 320 00:12:56,120 --> 00:12:58,800 Speaker 1: that uh is probably the second best tight end here 321 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:01,559 Speaker 1: A probably Harrison Bryant made himself some money this week. 322 00:13:01,600 --> 00:13:03,720 Speaker 1: The F A U tight end just looked pretty good. 323 00:13:04,160 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 1: Came in at least a good size. Think it was 324 00:13:05,960 --> 00:13:08,040 Speaker 1: in the two forties, which you might didn't always look 325 00:13:08,040 --> 00:13:09,880 Speaker 1: too forty on tape. Is pretty skinny dude, like a 326 00:13:09,880 --> 00:13:12,240 Speaker 1: couple of years back, but it's gotten bigger over the years, 327 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:13,439 Speaker 1: and I think he's been one of the better route 328 00:13:13,480 --> 00:13:16,000 Speaker 1: runners here. Running Backs always an issue here because everyone 329 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,600 Speaker 1: that's good comes out before they're seen your season. Butun't 330 00:13:18,600 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: you guys that could be looks like scat back store 331 00:13:20,320 --> 00:13:22,640 Speaker 1: down backs though, yeah, I mean the running backs also 332 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,560 Speaker 1: a position where in going through drills you can't show 333 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,920 Speaker 1: anything like you're not getting tackled until until you try 334 00:13:27,960 --> 00:13:30,640 Speaker 1: to get tackled. That's like the the skill for running 335 00:13:30,640 --> 00:13:32,920 Speaker 1: backs this can you break tackles? Can you make guys miss? 336 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:35,320 Speaker 1: And you're not really showing that here down in Mobile. 337 00:13:35,440 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 1: So I like Sean Vaughan. He's probably the highest frank 338 00:13:37,960 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 1: guy we have here at the running back position, the 339 00:13:39,679 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: Vanderbilt guy, but he was listed at five ten to 340 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:45,839 Speaker 1: a team comes here at five nine two oh four, 341 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:49,320 Speaker 1: and it's like it's just a different back altogether. Like 342 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 1: you mentioned, there's all these guys kind of look like 343 00:13:51,360 --> 00:13:54,599 Speaker 1: scat backs. None of them really are the true prototyptical 344 00:13:54,679 --> 00:13:56,640 Speaker 1: build and because like you said, not a lot of 345 00:13:56,640 --> 00:13:58,520 Speaker 1: guys are wait until they're senior at the running back 346 00:13:58,559 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: they know that, uh that's that time clock is taken 347 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,520 Speaker 1: for them. Prince tega Wanoho would have been, in my opinion, 348 00:14:04,559 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: the second best tackle there after Jones, he ended up 349 00:14:06,600 --> 00:14:09,240 Speaker 1: not going anyone else that you think has a legitimate 350 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:11,280 Speaker 1: shot at being a Day to picking offensive tackle that 351 00:14:11,360 --> 00:14:13,480 Speaker 1: was here. Yeah, I think Matt Pert, the ukon tackle 352 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:16,079 Speaker 1: has a very good shot because he has the athleticism, 353 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 1: the size, the length, and he's actually he's actually done 354 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:21,040 Speaker 1: fairly well on the one on ones here at right tackle. 355 00:14:21,240 --> 00:14:24,280 Speaker 1: And yeah, Bill Belichick watching him yesterday for a good 356 00:14:24,360 --> 00:14:26,280 Speaker 1: and so that's that's gonna raise your draft stock, you know, 357 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:28,320 Speaker 1: on its own, if Bill Belichick is interested in you. 358 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: So I do think that he he does sneak his 359 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,080 Speaker 1: way into Day to. How about the interior offensive line 360 00:14:33,080 --> 00:14:35,600 Speaker 1: and a bunch of guys from big schools Clemson, l S, U, 361 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,000 Speaker 1: Ohio State, Jackson, I thought I had a nice little week. 362 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:39,880 Speaker 1: Simpson was okay. Who some of the guys on the 363 00:14:39,920 --> 00:14:42,200 Speaker 1: inside that you think have worked their way into Day two. 364 00:14:42,280 --> 00:14:44,240 Speaker 1: I think that might be the strongest position here. I 365 00:14:44,280 --> 00:14:46,880 Speaker 1: think Calvin Throckmorton was a late ad and he's looked good, 366 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:48,680 Speaker 1: but they actually have him playing at tackle. But I 367 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: think you know, if you're passed checking while tackle, you'll 368 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: probably passed check and Wile a guard too, So he's 369 00:14:52,720 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 1: he's helped himself. I think being a late ad here, 370 00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,520 Speaker 1: I will say also Jonah mentioned Jonah Jackson, he's been 371 00:14:58,640 --> 00:14:59,960 Speaker 1: he hasn't lost a rep in the one on one 372 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: through the first two days. That dude has very been very, 373 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,720 Speaker 1: very good. And that the l s U do Damien Lewis, 374 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:09,360 Speaker 1: Lloyd Cushionberry I think could be day two picks once 375 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:12,160 Speaker 1: all of a sudden on both guys are built like bricks, 376 00:15:12,280 --> 00:15:15,960 Speaker 1: just absolute logs, difficult. They don't see an inch versus 377 00:15:16,000 --> 00:15:18,640 Speaker 1: the bull rushed into the pocket. Uh and both of 378 00:15:18,680 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 1: them have looked good in the one on once here 379 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: so far this week week defensive tackle class. But they've 380 00:15:22,840 --> 00:15:24,920 Speaker 1: been dominating. And that's that's what you need to see. 381 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:27,800 Speaker 1: You know, Herbert has all the tools. This is event 382 00:15:27,880 --> 00:15:31,400 Speaker 1: was made for him. Is he helping him selfier? Or 383 00:15:31,480 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: do teams understand based on the tape what he shows 384 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 1: here shouldn't really impact their evaluation. I think he's helped himself, 385 00:15:36,840 --> 00:15:39,520 Speaker 1: and I think it's impossible not to show up here 386 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,760 Speaker 1: see him throw against air and see the velocity and 387 00:15:42,800 --> 00:15:46,280 Speaker 1: the accuracy and and at least be like I can 388 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:48,200 Speaker 1: do something with it, like I I can. There's that 389 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: there's so much to work with. Someone's gonna fall in love, 390 00:15:51,080 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 1: Someone's gonna draft him in the top ten in this draft. 391 00:15:53,240 --> 00:15:54,840 Speaker 1: Do I want to be that team? I don't think so, 392 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:57,800 Speaker 1: Like I don't want it to be me, just because 393 00:15:57,840 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: of the tape. The quarterback things in terms of reading 394 00:16:01,080 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: defense is going through progressions, making the right read, getting 395 00:16:03,880 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: the ball there quickly and efficiently. We're bad, like they 396 00:16:06,560 --> 00:16:08,680 Speaker 1: were not good at Oregon over the course of his career. 397 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:11,560 Speaker 1: And so those things are sort of difficult to mask. Uh. 398 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: They're easy to mask against air, but they're difficult to 399 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:15,760 Speaker 1: mask once you get to the next level and the 400 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 1: defense only get more complex. And so I will say 401 00:16:19,760 --> 00:16:22,520 Speaker 1: he has been impressive though over the course of the week, uh, 402 00:16:22,960 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: in the three days of practices, even in so over 403 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 1: the team drills. So I do think if you're if 404 00:16:27,080 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 1: you love them going in this week, you're only gonna 405 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:30,320 Speaker 1: love him more you hate him going in this week, 406 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:33,280 Speaker 1: it's probably gonna change your opinion. Either Jordan loves sneaks 407 00:16:33,280 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: into the first round. What do you think? Yes, I 408 00:16:35,880 --> 00:16:38,440 Speaker 1: would bet he does, just because of the tools. And again, 409 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 1: you can't teach the way he throws the football and 410 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 1: how special. Some of the throws are down the football field, 411 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 1: but again I don't. I don't want to be the 412 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 1: team that doesn't like I just you you the same 413 00:16:49,640 --> 00:16:52,080 Speaker 1: inconsistency we saw at Utah Stay he actually could have, 414 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: in my opinion, raised his draft stock the most, actually 415 00:16:54,640 --> 00:16:57,240 Speaker 1: changed opinions on him with his play this week. If 416 00:16:57,240 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 1: he was spot on accurate, making great decisions with the 417 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,640 Speaker 1: football consistently, he could have been You could have sort 418 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: of proven to everyone that the instas C saw last 419 00:17:05,240 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 1: year was because I lost my head coach, because I don't. 420 00:17:08,119 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 1: I lost all my skill position players from the year prior. 421 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,040 Speaker 1: But he comes here and he's missing you know, five 422 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:16,520 Speaker 1: yard hitches, he's you know, waving on post routes by 423 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:19,920 Speaker 1: you know, well overthrowing him down the football field, making 424 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: some real nice throws, but also the same in consistent 425 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: we saw has been here all week. And that's just 426 00:17:26,160 --> 00:17:27,840 Speaker 1: it's not it's not what you want to see from 427 00:17:27,840 --> 00:17:30,160 Speaker 1: a first round quarterback, you know. Two more questions. One, 428 00:17:30,240 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: let's look back a little bit. How did Daniel Jones 429 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:34,679 Speaker 1: performance as a rookie kind of match up to what 430 00:17:34,800 --> 00:17:36,800 Speaker 1: you saw with him coming out of Duke Because I 431 00:17:36,800 --> 00:17:38,680 Speaker 1: thought he was better than I thought he was going 432 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,080 Speaker 1: to be quicker. We saw some of the big time throwers, 433 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:43,080 Speaker 1: we saw a duke, but some of the pocket present 434 00:17:43,200 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: stuff that he had issues with the Duke I thought 435 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: shown up too. So, well, how did you guys see it? Yeah, 436 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:50,400 Speaker 1: the fumbles are a massive issue and the pocket presence. 437 00:17:50,440 --> 00:17:52,920 Speaker 1: I loved the fact that he was almost that he 438 00:17:52,920 --> 00:17:55,320 Speaker 1: could operate from tight pockets, and I thought, you know, 439 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: going from Duke to the NFL, he was very NFL 440 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 1: ready in a lot of regards, and that it was 441 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: almost gonna be a better situation because he was gonna 442 00:18:01,520 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 1: have more talent around him and more guys gonna be 443 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 1: getting open and beating you know, one on one coverage 444 00:18:06,240 --> 00:18:08,159 Speaker 1: more often than what he had to do, because it 445 00:18:08,240 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: was a terrible, terrible situation. But the pocket presence is 446 00:18:11,720 --> 00:18:13,760 Speaker 1: almost like he's oblivious to guys around him. He can 447 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:15,639 Speaker 1: work from type pocus because he just doesn't feel like 448 00:18:15,720 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 1: pressure at all and doesn't know where guys are come in. 449 00:18:18,119 --> 00:18:21,320 Speaker 1: So he fallled a ton. That's a big issue going forward. 450 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: I still think his ability to consistently push the ball 451 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:27,040 Speaker 1: down the field is in question. He's great underneath, great, 452 00:18:27,040 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: making quick decisions in the quick game, he's you know, 453 00:18:29,080 --> 00:18:32,000 Speaker 1: spot on, but the actual you know, consistently being able 454 00:18:32,080 --> 00:18:34,000 Speaker 1: to beat you and test you down the football field. 455 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: We didn't necessarily see a lot from him as a rookie, 456 00:18:36,840 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: but I think when a guy plays as well as 457 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:42,960 Speaker 1: he did Uh in your one and show some progression, 458 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:45,119 Speaker 1: you know, plays his best football towards the end of 459 00:18:45,119 --> 00:18:47,040 Speaker 1: the season, you start to get excited about what he 460 00:18:47,080 --> 00:18:48,960 Speaker 1: can be in the future. I love PFF. As you 461 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: guys have the outliers heading into the draft. You have 462 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,240 Speaker 1: guys that the NFL loves, you don't, Shawn Garry. You 463 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:56,680 Speaker 1: have guys that the NFL doesn't. You guys love them. 464 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:58,879 Speaker 1: Give me some of the outliers that we can we 465 00:18:58,960 --> 00:19:01,240 Speaker 1: think are going to a pre over the next month 466 00:19:01,280 --> 00:19:03,480 Speaker 1: and at two months heading into the draft. Guys that 467 00:19:03,520 --> 00:19:06,120 Speaker 1: maybe you guys in the NFL maybe don't agree on. Yeah. 468 00:19:06,160 --> 00:19:08,800 Speaker 1: I think Caleb and Chasun is one that we're probably 469 00:19:08,800 --> 00:19:11,600 Speaker 1: gonna just differ on because he's never been consistently productive 470 00:19:11,600 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 1: as a pass rusher over the course of score the 471 00:19:13,160 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: l s U edge defender. UH. I think Dai Jarem's 472 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:17,200 Speaker 1: last mock at I'm going to eleven to the Jets 473 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:20,879 Speaker 1: eleven as high as that, and he just, yes, he 474 00:19:20,920 --> 00:19:22,680 Speaker 1: has reps where he you know, he beat Andrew Thomas, 475 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,359 Speaker 1: the George offensive tackle, a couple of times, beat UH, 476 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,320 Speaker 1: some tackles UH down the stretch in the playoffs, he 477 00:19:29,359 --> 00:19:31,800 Speaker 1: had some real nice, real high level reps. But the 478 00:19:31,840 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: consistency down to down is just not there. And he's 479 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:39,359 Speaker 1: undersized UH and has never really necessarily produced as a 480 00:19:39,359 --> 00:19:41,359 Speaker 1: pass rush rat at only eleven. So we just need 481 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:43,800 Speaker 1: to see it, you know, That's what the SFPF, especially 482 00:19:43,880 --> 00:19:46,640 Speaker 1: along the line scrimmage, offensive line, defensive line, we need 483 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,200 Speaker 1: to see it. And I think another guy that sort 484 00:19:49,200 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: of fits that bill for us as McKay Beckton, the 485 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: Louisville offensive tackle. It just this past year. He had 486 00:19:53,760 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 1: a great year, but they didn't pass the ball much 487 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:58,280 Speaker 1: and he didn't take many reps like actually in pass 488 00:19:58,359 --> 00:20:00,320 Speaker 1: Pro one on one, and when he did it was good. 489 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 1: The results were not good in terms of his grading 490 00:20:02,840 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: UH in those plays. So yes, he has all the tools. 491 00:20:06,640 --> 00:20:09,440 Speaker 1: He's a freak of nature at six seven, three seventy 492 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:11,560 Speaker 1: and does not moves like he's you know, eighty pounds 493 00:20:11,680 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: lighter than that. But he just have not consistently seen 494 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:17,320 Speaker 1: him get the job done in past protection. And until 495 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:19,199 Speaker 1: we do, we're not gonna We're not gonna get on 496 00:20:19,200 --> 00:20:20,919 Speaker 1: board with him going, you know, top ten, which some 497 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 1: people haven't going. Now, who's the guy you love that 498 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:25,800 Speaker 1: maybe the NFL doesn't. Well? I think Josh Jones is 499 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:28,239 Speaker 1: one that we've kind of been on all season long 500 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:30,680 Speaker 1: terms just he dominated at Houston, did not only allow 501 00:20:30,720 --> 00:20:33,959 Speaker 1: four pressures all season long. Uh, And I think that 502 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: we're we feel good about, you know, when you do 503 00:20:36,720 --> 00:20:38,240 Speaker 1: that there and then do it at the Senior Bowl 504 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:40,720 Speaker 1: like he has. Uh. I think he's just going to 505 00:20:40,760 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: be good in the NFL. Has the athleticism and the 506 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: tools to do it as well. So I think he's 507 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:46,560 Speaker 1: one guy we definitely are going to be higher on 508 00:20:46,600 --> 00:20:48,359 Speaker 1: the most. Now, the last one you mentioned, Beckton, I 509 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:50,800 Speaker 1: think Jeremiah had to mox the Giants at four. Believe 510 00:20:50,800 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: it or not, This is ridiculously early. And I'm not 511 00:20:53,640 --> 00:20:55,360 Speaker 1: holding you too, but I can gonna ask you, anyway, 512 00:20:55,520 --> 00:20:58,880 Speaker 1: where does talent meat need? You think Giants number four 513 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: and it's a deep offensive to cool class. I'm not 514 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 1: sure you want to pick a wide receiver that early 515 00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 1: with the weapons they have. Where do you think, really 516 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,000 Speaker 1: do you want you want the guy that's gonna be 517 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:09,159 Speaker 1: a good player at a value position. Where do you 518 00:21:09,200 --> 00:21:11,760 Speaker 1: think that meets up together? At number four? I think 519 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: if a Coud is there at Jeffrey could like it 520 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:15,920 Speaker 1: almost has to be Jeffrey I could he is that good. 521 00:21:16,480 --> 00:21:18,920 Speaker 1: If he is not there, I can get on board with. 522 00:21:19,280 --> 00:21:21,280 Speaker 1: I can b worth tackle, but not in the contact 523 00:21:21,320 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 1: and necessarily I think the better one might be Isaiah 524 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,280 Speaker 1: Simmons might be a better fit in terms of value 525 00:21:26,560 --> 00:21:29,400 Speaker 1: at a position where a linebacker having guys that can 526 00:21:29,400 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: cover and and cover ground the way he can are 527 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:34,679 Speaker 1: becoming more and more valuable. The way teams are attacking, 528 00:21:34,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: the middle of defense is middle of the field is 529 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,959 Speaker 1: becoming where uh you know a lot of offenses operate 530 00:21:39,000 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: now around the NFL, and to have guys who can 531 00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:43,199 Speaker 1: just shut down those windows is very valuable. And so 532 00:21:43,600 --> 00:21:46,359 Speaker 1: Simmons or Akuda, I think is is your dream fit 533 00:21:46,400 --> 00:21:48,920 Speaker 1: there at number four. Overall, Mike, great stuff, and it's 534 00:21:48,960 --> 00:21:50,840 Speaker 1: been busy all week doing radio hits. We really appreciate 535 00:21:50,840 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 1: the time. We'll see it the combine. Yeah, it sounds good. 536 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:55,240 Speaker 1: That's Mike Grinner from Pro Football Focus. 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