Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, Hi Bethany.
Speaker 2: How are you good? Where are you?
Speaker 1: I'm in Minnesota Meadows.
Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, nice? This is you know Nat. I mentioned
Speaker 2: her incorrectly in a Dave Portnoy story on this podcast,
Speaker 2: but I had seen her on TikTok, and I think
Speaker 2: the first time I saw her, I wasn't really aware
Speaker 2: or fluent on is it called citizen or citizens journalism?
Speaker 2: What do people call it? Citizens or citizen?
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not entirely sure. I guess citizen citizen journalism.
Speaker 1: I wasn't super familiar with like the actual word citizen
Speaker 1: journalism until you brought it up. Actually, I'm not like
Speaker 1: a self proclaimed journalist. I didn't start my page being
Speaker 1: like I'm gonna report on things. I started my page
Speaker 1: because I was a stay at home mom who was
Speaker 1: like desperate to talk to an adult after singing Baby
Speaker 1: Shark all day, and so I just started making videos
Speaker 1: being like my kids napping and this is what I'm watching.
Speaker 1: And so really I started just like talking about what
Speaker 1: I was watching, and it's turned into like, you know,
Speaker 1: reporting on things and being kind of boots on the ground,
Speaker 1: and I'm learning about citizen journalism.
Speaker 2: I guess. Interesting so I was the first person to
Speaker 2: say that term to you. Yeah, I think so fascinating, right,
Speaker 2: because like, oh, that's what it is.
Speaker 1: That makes sense, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a term I had heard, and what's interesting,
Speaker 2: and people really love it because people don't trust journalism
Speaker 2: as much anymore and they're h I've seen bullshit journalism
Speaker 2: all so many times, and I've seen people be bought
Speaker 2: and owned by different companies and then act differently and
Speaker 2: tell stories differently. And obviously you could listen to Fox
Speaker 2: and hear one thing in CNN and hear another. So
Speaker 2: that term came to me through TikTok, like that's what
Speaker 2: I realized it was. And to be honest, when I
Speaker 2: first was on TikTok, like in a meaningful way, when
Speaker 2: I saw the people with the little microphones, I thought
Speaker 2: it was like ridiculous. I was thinking, wait, people, I
Speaker 2: think they're journalists. But then I evolved into thinking, well,
Speaker 2: what is a journalist or just someone who's doing research
Speaker 2: and trying to get their facts straight and get sources
Speaker 2: and report a story or mix together a bunch of
Speaker 2: other stories and then have their own take on it.
Speaker 2: So I realized it's not ridiculous and you're a good
Speaker 2: example of that.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you for saying that. Definitely, I think that
Speaker 1: it's become such a genre because you're not worrying as
Speaker 1: much about like are they getting paid to talk about this?
Speaker 1: Are they getting paid to not talk about this? You
Speaker 1: really can find a niche where you can listen to
Speaker 1: a person that you want to hear commentation on it,
Speaker 1: and it's usually like me, something that I just really
Speaker 1: enjoy and like do for myself. I'm doing the research
Speaker 1: because I'm following this stuff, and so you don't have
Speaker 1: to worry about like am I telling you this because
Speaker 1: there's a profit involved or you know, I'm just kind
Speaker 1: of saying like, this is a crazy story that I
Speaker 1: heard about. As well as being able to get things
Speaker 1: out I think quicker than like official, you know, news agencies,
Speaker 1: because I can pick up my phone and say, like,
Speaker 1: did you guys know that this is going on? Yeah?
Speaker 1: And that turns into a lot of these news agencies.
Speaker 1: You'd be surprised how many of them are actually using
Speaker 1: these TikTok videos to then write their whole articles.
Speaker 2: Right, has that happened a lot? How many times does
Speaker 2: that happen to you?
Speaker 1: Oh, a lot, a lot. I tried to make a list,
Speaker 1: and I have like a few top examples, but it's
Speaker 1: happened with all of them. Cosmopolitan, Page six, Perez Hilton,
Speaker 1: US Weekly Showbiz Today. I mean, I can go and
Speaker 1: find my videos in these articles, but they'll refer to
Speaker 1: me as a TikToker. So they don't need to have
Speaker 1: your name, right, they don't have to use my name,
Speaker 1: they don't have to source us.
Speaker 2: But why wouldn't they use your name just to if
Speaker 2: they're saying a TikTok or what's the difference? The credibility is,
Speaker 2: like it's not their thing, so why wouldn't they use
Speaker 2: your name?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I think that it's
Speaker 1: probably not purposeful, right, they just don't think about it, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is somebody who just posted a video and now
Speaker 1: it's mine and we'll use it and write this article.
Speaker 1: I guess where the credibility comes in is if I'm
Speaker 1: not being if you're not saying this is her video,
Speaker 1: then I can ever get verified for me to like
Speaker 1: have credibility. Yeah, so that's like, yeah, the delete there.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: Well, I have a couple of questions. One yes, to
Speaker 2: the what you said before. It's content to the people,
Speaker 2: which I really have learned to just you could change
Speaker 2: your entire life based on it. You could change everything
Speaker 2: you do. You could self publish a book, you could
Speaker 2: never go back on, edited and produced and press, tour,
Speaker 2: marketed television again, which is how I've sort of changed
Speaker 2: my life. I didn't notice you, and I did notice
Speaker 2: you a while back. You seem to be you know,
Speaker 2: not you know, not caddie, enough of that to be like,
Speaker 2: you know a little bit of like pop culture. But
Speaker 2: but you seem to be thorough And I've noticed you,
Speaker 2: not just recently when you specifically talked about me, but
Speaker 2: even times talking about other things. And I wanted to note,
Speaker 2: do you get paid by Are you making money? Is
Speaker 2: this a business at all by anybody?
Speaker 1: No? I mean I'm in like a creator fund, do
Speaker 1: one TikTok, so that would be like my only income,
Speaker 1: which is like very inconsistent and like forever changing. So yeah,
Speaker 1: as of now. No.
Speaker 2: So all of the people that I see that are
Speaker 2: like you, that go and they go to Bravo Connor
Speaker 2: and they talk about it and like they're flying on
Speaker 2: their own dime. They're not they're just getting a bigger following,
Speaker 2: but not able to monetize it in any way.
Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure. So there are some bigger creators
Speaker 1: who I think were invited to Bravocan, so I'm guessing
Speaker 1: that they had like some accommodations. I think that there
Speaker 1: are brands that are reaching out to some bigger kind
Speaker 1: of journalistic people, you know, paying for their expenses to
Speaker 1: go to events like that. But uh, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I just don't know about monetizing. I don't think that
Speaker 1: I've quite reached that limit yet.
Speaker 2: And that is your goalfend to be sort of a
Speaker 2: career or you're still just having fun with it as
Speaker 2: a mom.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm having fun. I kind of still post my
Speaker 1: videos thinking like nobody is going to see them, Like
Speaker 1: that's always kind of been my vibe is like I
Speaker 1: just say stuff like I said, I'm looking for adults
Speaker 1: to talk too. I didn't want to be doom scrolling
Speaker 1: on TikTok anymore, so I was like, I might as
Speaker 1: well just like create when I have a moment to
Speaker 1: myself and put it out there. And like I said,
Speaker 1: I post videos like nobody's going to see them now,
Speaker 1: like people that I'm talking about are seeing them. So
Speaker 1: I don't really know where it's gonna go from here,
Speaker 1: but it's picking up and it's super fun. And like
Speaker 1: I said, it's something that I do to like procrastinate,
Speaker 1: So if I could make a business of it, that
Speaker 1: would be ideal.
Speaker 2: First of all, have you been on anybody else's podcast?
Speaker 1: Knows what I want? This is my first podcast ever,
Speaker 1: and I am honored to be on this one. This
Speaker 1: is awesome.
Speaker 2: This is a good one to be honest, that we
Speaker 2: do pretty well, So that's exciting.
Speaker 1: Yes, this is a good first podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's amazing. Okay, so hopefully you'll be able to
Speaker 2: use that street cred. But what does it mean? So
Speaker 2: now coming on here, do you think about like that
Speaker 2: the people that you're talking about, like they're real people.
Speaker 2: So I'm here, like I was looking through I didn't know,
Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh wait a second, it's fine
Speaker 2: because I've been talked badly about, but that you were saying,
Speaker 2: I say crazy shit on his app and you were
Speaker 2: like comparing me to Donald Trump back, I guess in
Speaker 2: the beginning, So like were you like, oh my god,
Speaker 2: I hope she didn't see that cringe, I'm going on
Speaker 2: our podcast, or you didn't think of that.
Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. I mean, I just I,
Speaker 1: like I said, I say shit as if nobody's going
Speaker 1: to see what I'm saying, and people seem to listen.
Speaker 1: And I try to be like you said, you know,
Speaker 1: you want to watch somebody that you enjoy hearing commentate it.
Speaker 1: So I got to give it like a little bit
Speaker 1: of my opinion and edge, but enough to like get
Speaker 1: away with it. That's art.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So it's called you know nat, and
Speaker 2: I shouted you out, and I shouted you out in
Speaker 2: the wrong name because my eyes TikTok. The writing is
Speaker 2: so small, and I was looking down and I thought
Speaker 2: it was I thought the whole time it was you
Speaker 2: know that.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that happens. I've done it. I get it.
Speaker 2: But that's a happy accident because that's how we got.
Speaker 1: Here, exactly. Yes, blessing in disguise.
Speaker 2: Yes. So let's go over a couple of things. Okay,
Speaker 2: So first and foremost, what do you think about uh
Speaker 2: Ramona allegedly I think you might have been the one
Speaker 2: that said it that she allegedly just showed up and
Speaker 2: crashed her premiere even though she wasn't invited.
Speaker 1: I heard that, Yeah, I saw that. So that was
Speaker 1: a headline that I did post about. And I don't know,
Speaker 1: I think that that's possibly true, right, I mean it
Speaker 1: seems like a very Ramona thing to do. I was
Speaker 1: kind of wondering if she would be involved or how
Speaker 1: they were gonna like cut that, and like, of course
Speaker 1: she showed up and was front and center for all
Speaker 1: of them, all the.
Speaker 2: Pictures, Kerry, It's very Ramona. Because Ramona, something happens. The
Speaker 2: one day she says something to you and the next
Speaker 2: day it's like it never happened. And she has a
Speaker 2: gift of torching the kingdom and the next day acting
Speaker 2: like it's fully intact. That's her gift. I would be
Speaker 2: hiding in another country for a long time, like just
Speaker 2: wanting this thing to rinse off, and instead you go
Speaker 2: to a premiere and then it brings up, bubbles up
Speaker 2: all the headlines again.
Speaker 1: Right, everyone's gonna talk about it. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: thing that could happen, right if she just showed up there, Like,
Speaker 1: who's gonna tell her, no, you can't, you gotta go.
Speaker 1: You didn't have an invite, she wasn't that cast. It
Speaker 1: could have happened.
Speaker 2: Well, And I ask you if you think it's hypocritical
Speaker 2: as a fan of these shows, that Ramona is being
Speaker 2: held to a different standard than other people, is that happening?
Speaker 1: I think that Ramona has like consistency in acting this way.
Speaker 1: So I think that, like we've seen her throughout the
Speaker 1: years kind of treat like staff badly. She's kind of
Speaker 1: like known for being not pleasant to people who she
Speaker 1: maybe thinks are lower than her. And I think that
Speaker 1: that's something that like fans truly believe. So then to
Speaker 1: hear her kind of go off, it's like believable that
Speaker 1: that's not it's edited, it's not, yes, exactly, it's not
Speaker 1: a one off. It's not I think that's her. I
Speaker 1: don't know her, but I think as a fan.
Speaker 2: So you're a and you like to do this investigative
Speaker 2: connecting the dots. You really are like like a detective mom.
Speaker 2: And so you were noticing that I took a TikTok
Speaker 2: down and then you were correct in that, and I
Speaker 2: think I said it. I said that I wanted to
Speaker 2: do it here because sometimes I'll do something there and
Speaker 2: be like or even my team here would be like
Speaker 2: why wouldn't I put it on my podcast? This is
Speaker 2: like this is where I live, This is my home,
Speaker 2: and over there you're just you know, playing around. And
Speaker 2: also more importantly than that, because I do tiktoks all
Speaker 2: the time that I don't do here. It's a longer format.
Speaker 2: Here we can have a conversation that breathes, so over
Speaker 2: there you're just throwing something up and trying to like
Speaker 2: get it in or not have it be too long
Speaker 2: there because no one's gonna have the attention spent there.
Speaker 2: That's not the store for that. So but you've clocked that,
Speaker 2: And I want to know what you think of that.
Speaker 2: Is that like a bad thing to do? Yeah, that
Speaker 2: doesn't matter.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think the rule of
Speaker 1: thumb is if you post, somebody already grabbed it. So
Speaker 1: I've heard people say like, if you if you're gonna delete,
Speaker 1: just leave it up because somebody's already got it.
Speaker 2: But it lives. But it lives right.
Speaker 1: Right, it lives and a different platform. Yeah, No, I
Speaker 1: think that that makes total sense. And I think that
Speaker 1: clocking those things is a new word that I've learned
Speaker 1: recently just about like media literacy and just being able
Speaker 1: to like judge those I think that's just kind of
Speaker 1: how my brain works. Like I saw, you know, I
Speaker 1: saw people freaking out about if Raquel Levis was getting
Speaker 1: paid for the interview she did with you, and it
Speaker 1: was just so obvious to me that, like there was
Speaker 1: some kind of transaction. Nobody is gonna like let her
Speaker 1: do that without you know something, and you're pitching a
Speaker 1: podcast at the end, so it just becomes like, come on,
Speaker 1: let's connect the dots, guys, and.
Speaker 2: I'll tell you the breaking story, the true story, because
Speaker 2: you're the one who said that. The true story is
Speaker 2: that I didn't really know who Raquel was. Peripherally I did.
Speaker 2: I hadn't seen the show as as as many people
Speaker 2: you criticized that. I didn't watch ten seasons to talk
Speaker 2: to a person, so I didn't know who she was,
Speaker 2: but I anecdotally knew that she had this crazy thing happened,
Speaker 2: and I kept thinking, like, aren't they all drinking? Aren't
Speaker 2: they all cheating? I've been hearing everyone she you know that,
Speaker 2: then they're working in this bar. And I also know
Speaker 2: the medium because I worked in it for years. And
Speaker 2: then I said something just anecdotal about her during the
Speaker 2: Reality Reckoning, and I think I was the only person
Speaker 2: that ever stuck up for her, and so her representative
Speaker 2: called me as a result. And I didn't think, to
Speaker 2: be perfectly honest with you, I didn't know that she
Speaker 2: was such a big get for the podcast. Like I
Speaker 2: didn't think that that was a big get because to
Speaker 2: me peripherally, that was the girl who cheated and was
Speaker 2: in the scandal. But like, okay, so she's this pariah,
Speaker 2: Like I just it was sort of casual, and then
Speaker 2: once she reached out and it was like sort of
Speaker 2: a big deal for them, like that she hadn't said
Speaker 2: a word. I didn't know that either. I didn't know
Speaker 2: that she had been like in an island. So it
Speaker 2: was all the planet's like converging at the same time.
Speaker 2: But they had already been talking to iHeart before before
Speaker 2: I even knew about that they had been having a conversation.
Speaker 2: It never came to fruition. So my conversation with her
Speaker 2: brought it to fruition. It was like now they were
Speaker 2: back talking about Now they were back talking about it again.
Speaker 2: I thought it was a good idea and if I
Speaker 2: wanted to possibly do it, then maybe iHeart would get
Speaker 2: behind it. So it was like sort of all these
Speaker 2: things converging at the same time.
Speaker 1: You said you were like one of the few people
Speaker 1: kind of sticking up and showing loyalty to her, and
Speaker 1: so for her to like feel like, oh, that's a
Speaker 1: safe one I could go on. I'm sure that everyone
Speaker 1: had offered her, So that totally makes sense. And that's
Speaker 1: the things that like I wouldn't know details, no, but
Speaker 1: I just put things together as I can. And then
Speaker 1: some of my videos are just like, do you guys
Speaker 1: think this is possible? This is what I kind of
Speaker 1: like I said, I'm just talk to people kind of
Speaker 1: like it's my friends or my family, Like I'm just
Speaker 1: putting it out there and welcoming.
Speaker 2: Well and well, and there's clickbait and I get it too.
Speaker 2: I do it. You know, we're not sitting here putting
Speaker 2: out clips for this podcast that aren't going to rate.
Speaker 2: So is it? What are the things that if you
Speaker 2: talk about, you're gonna rate?
Speaker 1: Bravo stuff. A lot of Bravo stuff hits Janelle with
Speaker 1: teen Mom. That's a big story all the time. People
Speaker 1: like to keep updated with teen Mom. A lot of
Speaker 1: them are shows that have been on for these ten
Speaker 1: year runs, So vander Pump Rules, Beverly Hills, Housewives, Teen Mom,
Speaker 1: these ones where we've kind of seen the cast and
Speaker 1: there's fans who have watched from the beginning, and we
Speaker 1: feel like we've got this like longitudal study of their life.
Speaker 1: Those are the topics that people like really get involved in,
Speaker 1: really feel like they know the people, or have like
Speaker 1: a parasocial relationship. So there's definitely some.
Speaker 2: Like the Ramona you called back, some things that people
Speaker 2: would know, like you, you're all in a relationship with
Speaker 2: these people, so you can say to me, when Ramona
Speaker 2: did that thing in the kitchen about Dennis, you remember it?
Speaker 1: Yeah? And something about that makes I think makes people
Speaker 1: feel like they're like kind of part of a smaller
Speaker 1: community village, which I think so many people crave, like
Speaker 1: if we can talk about the same people and the
Speaker 1: same thing is going on and almost makes us feel
Speaker 1: like we're all in the same town hanging out or you.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, okay. And then this is what shocked me.
Speaker 2: First of all, recently I realized that I think the
Speaker 2: comments on Instagram are more psychotic and hateful than TikTok,
Speaker 2: And that's crazy because I always thought that like TikTok
Speaker 2: to me, it's the wild wild West, Like one video
Speaker 2: you could do, you could cough and it could get
Speaker 2: a million views, the next one could get three views.
Speaker 2: Like it's a very it's a very precarious place. But
Speaker 2: and I guess it's across all social media. But I
Speaker 2: find that I will think that I or someone is
Speaker 2: being quote unquote canceled, but they're literally being renewed because
Speaker 2: all of you guys are talking about it and it's
Speaker 2: driving traffic and people are listening, and like you think
Speaker 2: you're not you're doing something wrong, but you're doing everything right.
Speaker 2: And there are hate pages about you. But the more
Speaker 2: you're being hated, it's an indication that you're doing well
Speaker 2: on this weird universe.
Speaker 1: Right, people are talking, right, like Mikhayli.
Speaker 2: Gate, the Misscaragate, there were at that time there were
Speaker 2: fifty four million views on the video. Do we think
Speaker 2: she gives a shit about a couple of days that
Speaker 2: she was upset when Loriel is printing money and misscarat
Speaker 2: and so she like everyone was acting like she was
Speaker 2: getting canceled.
Speaker 1: And that's how I found out about her. So, like
Speaker 1: how many followers did she gain from that scandal. I
Speaker 1: think that that's definitely true. I think cancel culture is
Speaker 1: kind of over. Like there's some people who have done
Speaker 1: some pretty egregious things on the internet, which comes back
Speaker 1: to white citizens. Journalism is important because they shouldn't be
Speaker 1: able to hide those things. But even when these people
Speaker 1: have been kind of outed, people are talking about what's
Speaker 1: going on, they always they come back. Like Colleen Ballinger
Speaker 1: took a couple months off, she had some involvement with
Speaker 1: children and that kind of thing. You'd think that that
Speaker 1: would kind of be the end of it. She's back
Speaker 1: to family. She's back to family vlogging already.
Speaker 2: So yeah, and you guys are moving markets though. You
Speaker 2: guys are moving product. You're moving product, you're driving downloads.
Speaker 2: I mean, it's happening for real.
Speaker 1: That's good to know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot you're moving.
Speaker 1: I think we're definitely getting eyes and getting views and
Speaker 1: like you said, getting people over to these podcasts that
Speaker 1: are connecting the dots you want to hear, like what
Speaker 1: was the answers? What did this person have to say?
Speaker 1: And then what did the other podcast what did they
Speaker 1: say about that in the podcast? You know, putting clips together?
Speaker 1: I think definitely drives people to watch both people's podcasts,
Speaker 1: and yeah, there's definitely a business there.
Speaker 2: So you were surprised that were you surprised that I
Speaker 2: spoke out about Dave Portner because you kind of spoke
Speaker 2: about him in a way where you think like people
Speaker 2: are sort of scared of him, like he'll like rush
Speaker 2: somebody with one blow, and will you like, will you
Speaker 2: like this bitch is crazy for like going up against
Speaker 2: that guy.
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't think. I don't think you're scared
Speaker 1: of anything. I didn't think that that was the issue
Speaker 1: at all. I wanted to stay neutral. Oh you know,
Speaker 1: barstool I heard. I don't know. I just I wanted
Speaker 1: to report on that one neutrally. But I didn't think
Speaker 1: that you would have a problem holding your own or
Speaker 1: kind of saying what you felt. I mean, you had
Speaker 1: already said it. You said it on TikTok. You said
Speaker 1: it on your podcast like if anybody's gonna go bast
Speaker 1: the balls, I think it's you.
Speaker 2: So well, No, it's funny because you said one of
Speaker 2: my interns might have gotten it wrong. What happened was
Speaker 2: I saw so many clips on TikTok, and they didn't
Speaker 2: show the part part that you that I that I
Speaker 2: saw on yours, and then I went and listened to
Speaker 2: the whole thing. You should to give everyone perspective. There
Speaker 2: was something that I said. I don't want to rehash
Speaker 2: the whole thing, but I said something on TikTok, and
Speaker 2: then I thought that Portnoy hadn't doubled down on it.
Speaker 2: I thought that he kind of got a little softer,
Speaker 2: and Natalie was like, uh, yeah he did, Yeah, he
Speaker 2: fucking did. And I went back and listened the whole thing.
Speaker 2: I was like, wait, right now, he did, and I
Speaker 2: owe it to my audience here to not because they
Speaker 2: might not have listened to any of it. They don't
Speaker 2: even know who he is, right, so I wanted to
Speaker 2: clarify to them. Oh no, yes he did double and
Speaker 2: triple down. So here I am doubling and tripling down.
Speaker 2: And then he went quiet, he stopped because yeah, that was.
Speaker 1: The end of that. But yeah, I wash clip. I
Speaker 1: didn't see it at first. I was, you know, watched
Speaker 1: the first half and thought, okay, that was the end
Speaker 1: of that, and then I saw it and was like,
Speaker 1: oh he's ser Bron. That's kind of crazy.
Speaker 2: No, totally he'll go up against anybody, and I know
Speaker 2: some of the people he's gone up against. And someone
Speaker 2: I was with yesterday in the sports world was saying, yeah,
Speaker 2: he's quieted down with you for some reason. So he
Speaker 2: did quiet down, And that's just fine with me, because
Speaker 2: you know, I actually have met him, I've enjoyed him,
Speaker 2: I've liked him. I think he's done. He's been very successful,
Speaker 2: and I think that it's important to say something when
Speaker 2: it's difficult to say something, because most people don't do that.
Speaker 2: So I wasn't going to go come after him, and
Speaker 2: I didn't trash him, but to say, speak up for
Speaker 2: just women in the way that a man who has
Speaker 2: such influence is going to speak about a woman he's
Speaker 2: never met, especially since he himself has been up against
Speaker 2: what he's called false reporting. Now you're taking all of
Speaker 2: your information based on a edited reality show and going
Speaker 2: to call somebody a name based on that. I thought
Speaker 2: that that deserved a little bit of a call out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I think that somebody had to say it.
Speaker 1: That was my first thought. And I think that especially
Speaker 1: just the timing of it, when it's kind of died
Speaker 1: down and like, let's talk about the successes of the
Speaker 1: people on that show or something. But to like throw
Speaker 1: out name calling, somebody had to say like that was weird,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and then we can move on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Did you see what I posted
Speaker 2: about Kim and Croy? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yes I did. Yeah. I was thinking about that a lot,
Speaker 1: what you posted, because I think that it is relatable
Speaker 1: to so many people, you know, to see kind of
Speaker 1: chaos and via volatility like that, and like how heartbreaking
Speaker 1: it is for the children. So yeah, definitely feel awful
Speaker 1: for the children, especially the young ones that are at home,
Speaker 1: but the adult children as well, who are you know,
Speaker 1: facing these kind of headlines coming out about their parents.
Speaker 2: To be honest, I thought about when I said, like,
Speaker 2: pay your f and bills, because that was just like
Speaker 2: something that I had seen in a headline, and now
Speaker 2: that it's deeper, I can't. I can't. People should pay
Speaker 2: their bills and not front and stunt. And I think
Speaker 2: that's what reality television celebrates and is about, like you
Speaker 2: don't have to have money, you just have to look
Speaker 2: like you have money. And I find that to be problematic.
Speaker 2: And the two of them have been trying to spend
Speaker 2: in this machine and it happens. It happens with so
Speaker 2: many of the people with all the logos and labels.
Speaker 2: You guys think that they have money. They could be bankrupt.
Speaker 2: They are coming on these shows to look rich, Jenshaw,
Speaker 2: and then they think that being on the show, they're
Speaker 2: gonna make they're going to make enough money, like what
Speaker 2: happened with my business, which takes a lot of work
Speaker 2: to make enough money to make up for the fact
Speaker 2: that they don't really have money. So they're spending. It's like,
Speaker 2: let me spend all my bags and to look rich
Speaker 2: so the paycheck will catch up with there are the
Speaker 2: deals that I'm going to get, and it doesn't really
Speaker 2: work like that. And I think that these two were
Speaker 2: doing that. They wanted us to all think that they
Speaker 2: were really rich and they were probably going to through
Speaker 2: a lot of struggles.
Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was kind of what I got from
Speaker 1: it is it looks like they were kind of keeping
Speaker 1: up with the droneses or keeping up with the people
Speaker 1: on reality TV and thinking that these businesses would take
Speaker 1: off and there would be offers made and it didn't happen,
Speaker 1: and his NFL career was done and so that wasn't
Speaker 1: coming in and then you think about you know, they
Speaker 1: want to keep They probably want to keep the home
Speaker 1: for their children. You want your kids to stay in
Speaker 1: the same school and you know, keeping up the life
Speaker 1: and staying where they are and at the level they're at.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's just when we've all kind
Speaker 1: of watched this on over years and so to see
Speaker 1: him like on film saying like this is right, this
Speaker 1: is what's happening, is wow heartbreaking.
Speaker 2: It was heartbreaking. I was the kid in a house
Speaker 2: much crazier than that from what we hear, and it
Speaker 2: felt like they're both feeding off of each other. They
Speaker 2: can't afford to do anything different. They're just like probably
Speaker 2: the only people that understand what the other person is
Speaker 2: going through, and they probably on some sick level, love
Speaker 2: each other hate each other. It's insane. I would love
Speaker 2: to talk to one of them and just let them
Speaker 2: like breathe and like have a conversation because I do.
Speaker 2: I literally know what it's like to be in that
Speaker 2: house and it's easier said than done to get out,
Speaker 2: believe it or not. And yeah, I think they were
Speaker 2: keeping up appearances. And that's the thing about housewives, whether
Speaker 2: it's She by Chara or Sonya Morgan clothing or the
Speaker 2: bags with Gretchen or you know, the hair with Erica
Speaker 2: or the hair with I know what all these deals
Speaker 2: look like, and I know how hard it is to
Speaker 2: make real money, like to make real money on those
Speaker 2: It is extremely hard and takes years. I mean, it
Speaker 2: took me probably ten years to like to my shapewear
Speaker 2: and my salad dressing that are in major stores all
Speaker 2: you know, all over major chains, Walmart, publics, like real store.
Speaker 2: Took years before you were making real real money because
Speaker 2: you stuck to it. It was successful. You can't just
Speaker 2: go launch hair and you know, the first day you
Speaker 2: do sales and you do a party on TV, and like,
Speaker 2: that's right, they're not making real money. That's not real money.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. First to bring in enough to maintain that,
Speaker 1: it's got to be an insane amount.
Speaker 2: And well the businesses are so they can stay on
Speaker 2: the show because you need to have stuff going on.
Speaker 2: So it like looks like you know what I mean
Speaker 2: if you think about.
Speaker 1: Part of those businesses, right, So they.
Speaker 2: They don't really they technically they do. That's been signed,
Speaker 2: but they don't audit it because what are you going
Speaker 2: to go audit What did she by Charae do anymore
Speaker 2: than I'm gonna go audit what my merch on Bravo.
Speaker 1: They just to toaster open me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So but but if Sonia
Speaker 2: ends up on the cover Forbes magazine because she sells
Speaker 2: it to aust then they're gonna.
Speaker 1: They're gonna call back. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is awesome.
Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much.
Speaker 2: Awesome, Thanks all right, thank you guys.