1 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,280 Speaker 1: Hi, Hello, Hi Bethany. 2 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:16,680 Speaker 2: How are you good? Where are you? 3 00:00:17,200 --> 00:00:19,919 Speaker 1: I'm in Minnesota Meadows. 4 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:24,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, okay, nice? This is you know Nat. I mentioned 5 00:00:24,360 --> 00:00:30,800 Speaker 2: her incorrectly in a Dave Portnoy story on this podcast, 6 00:00:31,200 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 2: but I had seen her on TikTok, and I think 7 00:00:36,479 --> 00:00:38,879 Speaker 2: the first time I saw her, I wasn't really aware 8 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 2: or fluent on is it called citizen or citizens journalism? 9 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:45,239 Speaker 2: What do people call it? Citizens or citizen? 10 00:00:46,320 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: You know, I'm not entirely sure. I guess citizen citizen journalism. 11 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 1: I wasn't super familiar with like the actual word citizen 12 00:00:57,080 --> 00:01:00,640 Speaker 1: journalism until you brought it up. Actually, I'm not like 13 00:01:00,680 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: a self proclaimed journalist. I didn't start my page being 14 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,959 Speaker 1: like I'm gonna report on things. I started my page 15 00:01:08,959 --> 00:01:10,720 Speaker 1: because I was a stay at home mom who was 16 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,360 Speaker 1: like desperate to talk to an adult after singing Baby 17 00:01:13,360 --> 00:01:16,600 Speaker 1: Shark all day, and so I just started making videos 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:20,200 Speaker 1: being like my kids napping and this is what I'm watching. 19 00:01:20,400 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: And so really I started just like talking about what 20 00:01:25,080 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: I was watching, and it's turned into like, you know, 21 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,759 Speaker 1: reporting on things and being kind of boots on the ground, 22 00:01:32,959 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: and I'm learning about citizen journalism. 23 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 2: I guess. Interesting so I was the first person to 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:41,720 Speaker 2: say that term to you. Yeah, I think so fascinating, right, 25 00:01:41,760 --> 00:01:43,280 Speaker 2: because like, oh, that's what it is. 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:44,480 Speaker 1: That makes sense, you know. 27 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, it's a term I had heard, and what's interesting, 28 00:01:47,880 --> 00:01:52,000 Speaker 2: and people really love it because people don't trust journalism 29 00:01:52,000 --> 00:01:57,560 Speaker 2: as much anymore and they're h I've seen bullshit journalism 30 00:01:57,600 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 2: all so many times, and I've seen people be bought 31 00:01:59,680 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 2: and owned by different companies and then act differently and 32 00:02:03,800 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 2: tell stories differently. And obviously you could listen to Fox 33 00:02:06,080 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 2: and hear one thing in CNN and hear another. So 34 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 2: that term came to me through TikTok, like that's what 35 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,080 Speaker 2: I realized it was. And to be honest, when I 36 00:02:15,120 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 2: first was on TikTok, like in a meaningful way, when 37 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 2: I saw the people with the little microphones, I thought 38 00:02:21,000 --> 00:02:22,880 Speaker 2: it was like ridiculous. I was thinking, wait, people, I 39 00:02:22,919 --> 00:02:25,919 Speaker 2: think they're journalists. But then I evolved into thinking, well, 40 00:02:25,919 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 2: what is a journalist or just someone who's doing research 41 00:02:28,600 --> 00:02:31,480 Speaker 2: and trying to get their facts straight and get sources 42 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 2: and report a story or mix together a bunch of 43 00:02:34,280 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 2: other stories and then have their own take on it. 44 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: So I realized it's not ridiculous and you're a good 45 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:40,280 Speaker 2: example of that. 46 00:02:41,080 --> 00:02:45,399 Speaker 1: Well, thank you for saying that. Definitely, I think that 47 00:02:45,560 --> 00:02:49,280 Speaker 1: it's become such a genre because you're not worrying as 48 00:02:49,360 --> 00:02:51,720 Speaker 1: much about like are they getting paid to talk about this? 49 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: Are they getting paid to not talk about this? You 50 00:02:53,960 --> 00:02:56,200 Speaker 1: really can find a niche where you can listen to 51 00:02:56,320 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 1: a person that you want to hear commentation on it, 52 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,040 Speaker 1: and it's usually like me, something that I just really 53 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:04,919 Speaker 1: enjoy and like do for myself. I'm doing the research 54 00:03:05,000 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: because I'm following this stuff, and so you don't have 55 00:03:09,400 --> 00:03:12,200 Speaker 1: to worry about like am I telling you this because 56 00:03:12,240 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 1: there's a profit involved or you know, I'm just kind 57 00:03:14,960 --> 00:03:17,080 Speaker 1: of saying like, this is a crazy story that I 58 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 1: heard about. As well as being able to get things 59 00:03:21,240 --> 00:03:25,760 Speaker 1: out I think quicker than like official, you know, news agencies, 60 00:03:25,800 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: because I can pick up my phone and say, like, 61 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,720 Speaker 1: did you guys know that this is going on? Yeah? 62 00:03:31,760 --> 00:03:35,120 Speaker 1: And that turns into a lot of these news agencies. 63 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:38,040 Speaker 1: You'd be surprised how many of them are actually using 64 00:03:38,480 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 1: these TikTok videos to then write their whole articles. 65 00:03:42,640 --> 00:03:44,720 Speaker 2: Right, has that happened a lot? How many times does 66 00:03:44,720 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 2: that happen to you? 67 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:48,480 Speaker 1: Oh, a lot, a lot. I tried to make a list, 68 00:03:48,560 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: and I have like a few top examples, but it's 69 00:03:52,880 --> 00:03:56,160 Speaker 1: happened with all of them. Cosmopolitan, Page six, Perez Hilton, 70 00:03:56,360 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: US Weekly Showbiz Today. I mean, I can go and 71 00:03:59,440 --> 00:04:02,960 Speaker 1: find my videos in these articles, but they'll refer to 72 00:04:03,000 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: me as a TikToker. So they don't need to have 73 00:04:05,520 --> 00:04:08,120 Speaker 1: your name, right, they don't have to use my name, 74 00:04:08,200 --> 00:04:09,560 Speaker 1: they don't have to source us. 75 00:04:11,680 --> 00:04:13,240 Speaker 2: But why wouldn't they use your name just to if 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:15,720 Speaker 2: they're saying a TikTok or what's the difference? The credibility is, 77 00:04:15,760 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 2: like it's not their thing, so why wouldn't they use 78 00:04:18,000 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 2: your name? 79 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:20,920 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know. I think that it's 80 00:04:20,960 --> 00:04:24,040 Speaker 1: probably not purposeful, right, they just don't think about it, like, oh, 81 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:26,640 Speaker 1: this is somebody who just posted a video and now 82 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:28,880 Speaker 1: it's mine and we'll use it and write this article. 83 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:31,680 Speaker 1: I guess where the credibility comes in is if I'm 84 00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 1: not being if you're not saying this is her video, 85 00:04:35,360 --> 00:04:38,000 Speaker 1: then I can ever get verified for me to like 86 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 1: have credibility. Yeah, so that's like, yeah, the delete there. 87 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:44,240 Speaker 1: I guess. 88 00:04:44,720 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: Well, I have a couple of questions. One yes, to 89 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:50,440 Speaker 2: the what you said before. It's content to the people, 90 00:04:50,480 --> 00:04:54,600 Speaker 2: which I really have learned to just you could change 91 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 2: your entire life based on it. You could change everything 92 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 2: you do. You could self publish a book, you could 93 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,800 Speaker 2: never go back on, edited and produced and press, tour, 94 00:05:04,000 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: marketed television again, which is how I've sort of changed 95 00:05:07,160 --> 00:05:10,000 Speaker 2: my life. I didn't notice you, and I did notice 96 00:05:10,000 --> 00:05:13,560 Speaker 2: you a while back. You seem to be you know, 97 00:05:13,680 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 2: not you know, not caddie, enough of that to be like, 98 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,320 Speaker 2: you know a little bit of like pop culture. But 99 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,000 Speaker 2: but you seem to be thorough And I've noticed you, 100 00:05:25,080 --> 00:05:27,919 Speaker 2: not just recently when you specifically talked about me, but 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 2: even times talking about other things. And I wanted to note, 102 00:05:31,360 --> 00:05:33,120 Speaker 2: do you get paid by Are you making money? Is 103 00:05:33,160 --> 00:05:35,039 Speaker 2: this a business at all by anybody? 104 00:05:37,120 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: No? I mean I'm in like a creator fund, do 105 00:05:39,480 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: one TikTok, so that would be like my only income, 106 00:05:42,200 --> 00:05:48,640 Speaker 1: which is like very inconsistent and like forever changing. So yeah, 107 00:05:48,720 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: as of now. No. 108 00:05:51,160 --> 00:05:53,320 Speaker 2: So all of the people that I see that are 109 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:55,360 Speaker 2: like you, that go and they go to Bravo Connor 110 00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,480 Speaker 2: and they talk about it and like they're flying on 111 00:05:57,520 --> 00:05:59,839 Speaker 2: their own dime. They're not they're just getting a bigger following, 112 00:05:59,839 --> 00:06:01,720 Speaker 2: but not able to monetize it in any way. 113 00:06:02,600 --> 00:06:05,479 Speaker 1: I'm not entirely sure. So there are some bigger creators 114 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 1: who I think were invited to Bravocan, so I'm guessing 115 00:06:08,480 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: that they had like some accommodations. I think that there 116 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,599 Speaker 1: are brands that are reaching out to some bigger kind 117 00:06:15,640 --> 00:06:20,680 Speaker 1: of journalistic people, you know, paying for their expenses to 118 00:06:20,680 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: go to events like that. But uh, I don't know. 119 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,000 Speaker 1: I just don't know about monetizing. I don't think that 120 00:06:27,080 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: I've quite reached that limit yet. 121 00:06:29,920 --> 00:06:31,800 Speaker 2: And that is your goalfend to be sort of a 122 00:06:31,839 --> 00:06:34,280 Speaker 2: career or you're still just having fun with it as 123 00:06:34,279 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 2: a mom. 124 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,320 Speaker 1: Well, I'm having fun. I kind of still post my 125 00:06:38,440 --> 00:06:40,720 Speaker 1: videos thinking like nobody is going to see them, Like 126 00:06:40,760 --> 00:06:43,039 Speaker 1: that's always kind of been my vibe is like I 127 00:06:43,200 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: just say stuff like I said, I'm looking for adults 128 00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,400 Speaker 1: to talk too. I didn't want to be doom scrolling 129 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,480 Speaker 1: on TikTok anymore, so I was like, I might as 130 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:52,680 Speaker 1: well just like create when I have a moment to 131 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:57,760 Speaker 1: myself and put it out there. And like I said, 132 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,360 Speaker 1: I post videos like nobody's going to see them now, 133 00:07:00,440 --> 00:07:02,919 Speaker 1: like people that I'm talking about are seeing them. So 134 00:07:03,000 --> 00:07:04,960 Speaker 1: I don't really know where it's gonna go from here, 135 00:07:05,640 --> 00:07:07,839 Speaker 1: but it's picking up and it's super fun. And like 136 00:07:07,880 --> 00:07:10,800 Speaker 1: I said, it's something that I do to like procrastinate, 137 00:07:11,040 --> 00:07:12,880 Speaker 1: So if I could make a business of it, that 138 00:07:12,920 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: would be ideal. 139 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,080 Speaker 2: First of all, have you been on anybody else's podcast? 140 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:19,400 Speaker 1: Knows what I want? This is my first podcast ever, 141 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:21,520 Speaker 1: and I am honored to be on this one. This 142 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,160 Speaker 1: is awesome. 143 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:24,200 Speaker 2: This is a good one to be honest, that we 144 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 2: do pretty well, So that's exciting. 145 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,480 Speaker 1: Yes, this is a good first podcast. 146 00:07:27,560 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 2: Yes, that's amazing. Okay, so hopefully you'll be able to 147 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 2: use that street cred. But what does it mean? So 148 00:07:33,440 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 2: now coming on here, do you think about like that 149 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 2: the people that you're talking about, like they're real people. 150 00:07:38,280 --> 00:07:40,640 Speaker 2: So I'm here, like I was looking through I didn't know, 151 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 2: Like I was like, oh wait a second, it's fine 152 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,400 Speaker 2: because I've been talked badly about, but that you were saying, 153 00:07:45,400 --> 00:07:47,120 Speaker 2: I say crazy shit on his app and you were 154 00:07:47,120 --> 00:07:49,720 Speaker 2: like comparing me to Donald Trump back, I guess in 155 00:07:49,760 --> 00:07:51,840 Speaker 2: the beginning, So like were you like, oh my god, 156 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: I hope she didn't see that cringe, I'm going on 157 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:54,920 Speaker 2: our podcast, or you didn't think of that. 158 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: I didn't think of that. I mean, I just I, 159 00:07:58,080 --> 00:08:00,680 Speaker 1: like I said, I say shit as if nobody's going 160 00:08:00,760 --> 00:08:03,800 Speaker 1: to see what I'm saying, and people seem to listen. 161 00:08:03,960 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: And I try to be like you said, you know, 162 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 1: you want to watch somebody that you enjoy hearing commentate it. 163 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: So I got to give it like a little bit 164 00:08:11,160 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: of my opinion and edge, but enough to like get 165 00:08:13,880 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 1: away with it. That's art. 166 00:08:16,000 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree. So it's called you know nat, and 167 00:08:20,080 --> 00:08:24,160 Speaker 2: I shouted you out, and I shouted you out in 168 00:08:24,200 --> 00:08:26,760 Speaker 2: the wrong name because my eyes TikTok. The writing is 169 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 2: so small, and I was looking down and I thought 170 00:08:28,760 --> 00:08:30,280 Speaker 2: it was I thought the whole time it was you 171 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: know that. 172 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:35,520 Speaker 1: I'm sorry that that happens. I've done it. I get it. 173 00:08:36,080 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 2: But that's a happy accident because that's how we got. 174 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:40,359 Speaker 1: Here, exactly. Yes, blessing in disguise. 175 00:08:41,080 --> 00:08:43,280 Speaker 2: Yes. So let's go over a couple of things. Okay, 176 00:08:43,320 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: So first and foremost, what do you think about uh 177 00:08:47,120 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 2: Ramona allegedly I think you might have been the one 178 00:08:49,880 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: that said it that she allegedly just showed up and 179 00:08:54,080 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 2: crashed her premiere even though she wasn't invited. 180 00:08:57,480 --> 00:08:59,760 Speaker 1: I heard that, Yeah, I saw that. So that was 181 00:08:59,800 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: a headline that I did post about. And I don't know, 182 00:09:03,920 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: I think that that's possibly true, right, I mean it 183 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:09,480 Speaker 1: seems like a very Ramona thing to do. I was 184 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,880 Speaker 1: kind of wondering if she would be involved or how 185 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: they were gonna like cut that, and like, of course 186 00:09:15,520 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: she showed up and was front and center for all 187 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: of them, all the. 188 00:09:18,559 --> 00:09:23,760 Speaker 2: Pictures, Kerry, It's very Ramona. Because Ramona, something happens. The 189 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: one day she says something to you and the next 190 00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,240 Speaker 2: day it's like it never happened. And she has a 191 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:33,480 Speaker 2: gift of torching the kingdom and the next day acting 192 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,760 Speaker 2: like it's fully intact. That's her gift. I would be 193 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 2: hiding in another country for a long time, like just 194 00:09:40,200 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: wanting this thing to rinse off, and instead you go 195 00:09:42,880 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 2: to a premiere and then it brings up, bubbles up 196 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:46,320 Speaker 2: all the headlines again. 197 00:09:46,679 --> 00:09:48,559 Speaker 1: Right, everyone's gonna talk about it. I mean, that's a 198 00:09:48,640 --> 00:09:51,680 Speaker 1: thing that could happen, right if she just showed up there, Like, 199 00:09:51,960 --> 00:09:54,760 Speaker 1: who's gonna tell her, no, you can't, you gotta go. 200 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: You didn't have an invite, she wasn't that cast. It 201 00:09:58,240 --> 00:09:59,520 Speaker 1: could have happened. 202 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:13,680 Speaker 2: Well, And I ask you if you think it's hypocritical 203 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: as a fan of these shows, that Ramona is being 204 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:19,720 Speaker 2: held to a different standard than other people, is that happening? 205 00:10:21,040 --> 00:10:26,120 Speaker 1: I think that Ramona has like consistency in acting this way. 206 00:10:26,200 --> 00:10:28,880 Speaker 1: So I think that, like we've seen her throughout the 207 00:10:28,960 --> 00:10:32,840 Speaker 1: years kind of treat like staff badly. She's kind of 208 00:10:32,880 --> 00:10:37,680 Speaker 1: like known for being not pleasant to people who she 209 00:10:37,840 --> 00:10:40,480 Speaker 1: maybe thinks are lower than her. And I think that 210 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:42,800 Speaker 1: that's something that like fans truly believe. So then to 211 00:10:42,880 --> 00:10:47,840 Speaker 1: hear her kind of go off, it's like believable that 212 00:10:47,840 --> 00:10:51,920 Speaker 1: that's not it's edited, it's not, yes, exactly, it's not 213 00:10:52,040 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: a one off. It's not I think that's her. I 214 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:58,760 Speaker 1: don't know her, but I think as a fan. 215 00:10:59,280 --> 00:11:02,160 Speaker 2: So you're a and you like to do this investigative 216 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:05,800 Speaker 2: connecting the dots. You really are like like a detective mom. 217 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:10,920 Speaker 2: And so you were noticing that I took a TikTok 218 00:11:11,120 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 2: down and then you were correct in that, and I 219 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: think I said it. I said that I wanted to 220 00:11:16,480 --> 00:11:20,160 Speaker 2: do it here because sometimes I'll do something there and 221 00:11:20,200 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 2: be like or even my team here would be like 222 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,120 Speaker 2: why wouldn't I put it on my podcast? This is 223 00:11:25,160 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 2: like this is where I live, This is my home, 224 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,719 Speaker 2: and over there you're just you know, playing around. And 225 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:32,560 Speaker 2: also more importantly than that, because I do tiktoks all 226 00:11:32,600 --> 00:11:36,120 Speaker 2: the time that I don't do here. It's a longer format. 227 00:11:36,160 --> 00:11:38,600 Speaker 2: Here we can have a conversation that breathes, so over 228 00:11:38,640 --> 00:11:40,480 Speaker 2: there you're just throwing something up and trying to like 229 00:11:40,520 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 2: get it in or not have it be too long 230 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,920 Speaker 2: there because no one's gonna have the attention spent there. 231 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:48,120 Speaker 2: That's not the store for that. So but you've clocked that, 232 00:11:48,280 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 2: And I want to know what you think of that. 233 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: Is that like a bad thing to do? Yeah, that 234 00:11:55,000 --> 00:11:55,600 Speaker 2: doesn't matter. 235 00:11:56,000 --> 00:11:57,680 Speaker 1: No, I don't think so. I think the rule of 236 00:11:57,720 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 1: thumb is if you post, somebody already grabbed it. So 237 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:04,480 Speaker 1: I've heard people say like, if you if you're gonna delete, 238 00:12:04,520 --> 00:12:06,439 Speaker 1: just leave it up because somebody's already got it. 239 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 2: But it lives. But it lives right. 240 00:12:11,240 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: Right, it lives and a different platform. Yeah, No, I 241 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:16,800 Speaker 1: think that that makes total sense. And I think that 242 00:12:16,880 --> 00:12:20,240 Speaker 1: clocking those things is a new word that I've learned 243 00:12:20,360 --> 00:12:23,439 Speaker 1: recently just about like media literacy and just being able 244 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:25,360 Speaker 1: to like judge those I think that's just kind of 245 00:12:25,360 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: how my brain works. Like I saw, you know, I 246 00:12:29,000 --> 00:12:32,360 Speaker 1: saw people freaking out about if Raquel Levis was getting 247 00:12:32,360 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: paid for the interview she did with you, and it 248 00:12:34,160 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: was just so obvious to me that, like there was 249 00:12:36,640 --> 00:12:39,560 Speaker 1: some kind of transaction. Nobody is gonna like let her 250 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,320 Speaker 1: do that without you know something, and you're pitching a 251 00:12:42,400 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 1: podcast at the end, so it just becomes like, come on, 252 00:12:44,960 --> 00:12:46,920 Speaker 1: let's connect the dots, guys, and. 253 00:12:47,360 --> 00:12:49,640 Speaker 2: I'll tell you the breaking story, the true story, because 254 00:12:49,640 --> 00:12:51,760 Speaker 2: you're the one who said that. The true story is 255 00:12:51,800 --> 00:12:57,240 Speaker 2: that I didn't really know who Raquel was. Peripherally I did. 256 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,720 Speaker 2: I hadn't seen the show as as as many people 257 00:12:59,840 --> 00:13:02,160 Speaker 2: you criticized that. I didn't watch ten seasons to talk 258 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:06,080 Speaker 2: to a person, so I didn't know who she was, 259 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:10,040 Speaker 2: but I anecdotally knew that she had this crazy thing happened, 260 00:13:10,040 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 2: and I kept thinking, like, aren't they all drinking? Aren't 261 00:13:11,800 --> 00:13:14,360 Speaker 2: they all cheating? I've been hearing everyone she you know that, 262 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 2: then they're working in this bar. And I also know 263 00:13:16,120 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 2: the medium because I worked in it for years. And 264 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:22,120 Speaker 2: then I said something just anecdotal about her during the 265 00:13:22,160 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 2: Reality Reckoning, and I think I was the only person 266 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 2: that ever stuck up for her, and so her representative 267 00:13:27,920 --> 00:13:30,440 Speaker 2: called me as a result. And I didn't think, to 268 00:13:30,440 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: be perfectly honest with you, I didn't know that she 269 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 2: was such a big get for the podcast. Like I 270 00:13:34,640 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 2: didn't think that that was a big get because to 271 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 2: me peripherally, that was the girl who cheated and was 272 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,760 Speaker 2: in the scandal. But like, okay, so she's this pariah, 273 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,319 Speaker 2: Like I just it was sort of casual, and then 274 00:13:45,400 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 2: once she reached out and it was like sort of 275 00:13:48,160 --> 00:13:50,040 Speaker 2: a big deal for them, like that she hadn't said 276 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:51,560 Speaker 2: a word. I didn't know that either. I didn't know 277 00:13:51,559 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 2: that she had been like in an island. So it 278 00:13:53,640 --> 00:13:55,760 Speaker 2: was all the planet's like converging at the same time. 279 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:59,360 Speaker 2: But they had already been talking to iHeart before before 280 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 2: I even knew about that they had been having a conversation. 281 00:14:02,280 --> 00:14:06,480 Speaker 2: It never came to fruition. So my conversation with her 282 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:09,200 Speaker 2: brought it to fruition. It was like now they were 283 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:12,160 Speaker 2: back talking about Now they were back talking about it again. 284 00:14:12,280 --> 00:14:13,920 Speaker 2: I thought it was a good idea and if I 285 00:14:14,000 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: wanted to possibly do it, then maybe iHeart would get 286 00:14:17,200 --> 00:14:18,760 Speaker 2: behind it. So it was like sort of all these 287 00:14:18,760 --> 00:14:20,480 Speaker 2: things converging at the same time. 288 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:23,200 Speaker 1: You said you were like one of the few people 289 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: kind of sticking up and showing loyalty to her, and 290 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: so for her to like feel like, oh, that's a 291 00:14:28,240 --> 00:14:30,680 Speaker 1: safe one I could go on. I'm sure that everyone 292 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 1: had offered her, So that totally makes sense. And that's 293 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: the things that like I wouldn't know details, no, but 294 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 1: I just put things together as I can. And then 295 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 1: some of my videos are just like, do you guys 296 00:14:41,760 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 1: think this is possible? This is what I kind of 297 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,720 Speaker 1: like I said, I'm just talk to people kind of 298 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:49,200 Speaker 1: like it's my friends or my family, Like I'm just 299 00:14:49,240 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 1: putting it out there and welcoming. 300 00:14:51,320 --> 00:14:54,920 Speaker 2: Well and well, and there's clickbait and I get it too. 301 00:14:55,000 --> 00:14:56,600 Speaker 2: I do it. You know, we're not sitting here putting 302 00:14:56,600 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 2: out clips for this podcast that aren't going to rate. 303 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:02,200 Speaker 2: So is it? What are the things that if you 304 00:15:02,320 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: talk about, you're gonna rate? 305 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:08,280 Speaker 1: Bravo stuff. A lot of Bravo stuff hits Janelle with 306 00:15:08,440 --> 00:15:10,960 Speaker 1: teen Mom. That's a big story all the time. People 307 00:15:11,000 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: like to keep updated with teen Mom. A lot of 308 00:15:14,600 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: them are shows that have been on for these ten 309 00:15:16,680 --> 00:15:22,840 Speaker 1: year runs, So vander Pump Rules, Beverly Hills, Housewives, Teen Mom, 310 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: these ones where we've kind of seen the cast and 311 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 1: there's fans who have watched from the beginning, and we 312 00:15:27,560 --> 00:15:30,920 Speaker 1: feel like we've got this like longitudal study of their life. 313 00:15:31,720 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: Those are the topics that people like really get involved in, 314 00:15:35,120 --> 00:15:37,040 Speaker 1: really feel like they know the people, or have like 315 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: a parasocial relationship. So there's definitely some. 316 00:15:41,440 --> 00:15:44,080 Speaker 2: Like the Ramona you called back, some things that people 317 00:15:44,120 --> 00:15:46,400 Speaker 2: would know, like you, you're all in a relationship with 318 00:15:46,440 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 2: these people, so you can say to me, when Ramona 319 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: did that thing in the kitchen about Dennis, you remember it? 320 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: Yeah? And something about that makes I think makes people 321 00:15:55,400 --> 00:15:57,640 Speaker 1: feel like they're like kind of part of a smaller 322 00:15:57,680 --> 00:16:00,760 Speaker 1: community village, which I think so many people crave, like 323 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:03,400 Speaker 1: if we can talk about the same people and the 324 00:16:03,440 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: same thing is going on and almost makes us feel 325 00:16:05,760 --> 00:16:08,600 Speaker 1: like we're all in the same town hanging out or you. 326 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,360 Speaker 2: Know, yeah, okay. And then this is what shocked me. 327 00:16:12,640 --> 00:16:15,720 Speaker 2: First of all, recently I realized that I think the 328 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 2: comments on Instagram are more psychotic and hateful than TikTok, 329 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:22,720 Speaker 2: And that's crazy because I always thought that like TikTok 330 00:16:22,760 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: to me, it's the wild wild West, Like one video 331 00:16:25,560 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: you could do, you could cough and it could get 332 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:28,960 Speaker 2: a million views, the next one could get three views. 333 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 2: Like it's a very it's a very precarious place. But 334 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 2: and I guess it's across all social media. But I 335 00:16:35,640 --> 00:16:40,080 Speaker 2: find that I will think that I or someone is 336 00:16:40,160 --> 00:16:44,240 Speaker 2: being quote unquote canceled, but they're literally being renewed because 337 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:46,680 Speaker 2: all of you guys are talking about it and it's 338 00:16:46,800 --> 00:16:50,520 Speaker 2: driving traffic and people are listening, and like you think 339 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:53,280 Speaker 2: you're not you're doing something wrong, but you're doing everything right. 340 00:16:53,320 --> 00:16:55,240 Speaker 2: And there are hate pages about you. But the more 341 00:16:55,760 --> 00:16:59,880 Speaker 2: you're being hated, it's an indication that you're doing well 342 00:17:00,200 --> 00:17:01,560 Speaker 2: on this weird universe. 343 00:17:01,680 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: Right, people are talking, right, like Mikhayli. 344 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:06,919 Speaker 2: Gate, the Misscaragate, there were at that time there were 345 00:17:06,920 --> 00:17:08,840 Speaker 2: fifty four million views on the video. Do we think 346 00:17:08,880 --> 00:17:10,520 Speaker 2: she gives a shit about a couple of days that 347 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:13,920 Speaker 2: she was upset when Loriel is printing money and misscarat 348 00:17:13,960 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 2: and so she like everyone was acting like she was 349 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 2: getting canceled. 350 00:17:18,080 --> 00:17:20,119 Speaker 1: And that's how I found out about her. So, like 351 00:17:20,200 --> 00:17:23,159 Speaker 1: how many followers did she gain from that scandal. I 352 00:17:23,240 --> 00:17:26,119 Speaker 1: think that that's definitely true. I think cancel culture is 353 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: kind of over. Like there's some people who have done 354 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: some pretty egregious things on the internet, which comes back 355 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,879 Speaker 1: to white citizens. Journalism is important because they shouldn't be 356 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: able to hide those things. But even when these people 357 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,360 Speaker 1: have been kind of outed, people are talking about what's 358 00:17:41,400 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: going on, they always they come back. Like Colleen Ballinger 359 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:47,679 Speaker 1: took a couple months off, she had some involvement with 360 00:17:47,800 --> 00:17:49,879 Speaker 1: children and that kind of thing. You'd think that that 361 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:52,080 Speaker 1: would kind of be the end of it. She's back 362 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:55,080 Speaker 1: to family. She's back to family vlogging already. 363 00:17:55,200 --> 00:17:59,080 Speaker 2: So yeah, and you guys are moving markets though. You 364 00:17:59,119 --> 00:18:04,360 Speaker 2: guys are moving product. You're moving product, you're driving downloads. 365 00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:05,640 Speaker 2: I mean, it's happening for real. 366 00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:08,120 Speaker 1: That's good to know. 367 00:18:08,920 --> 00:18:10,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot you're moving. 368 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: I think we're definitely getting eyes and getting views and 369 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:16,560 Speaker 1: like you said, getting people over to these podcasts that 370 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:19,800 Speaker 1: are connecting the dots you want to hear, like what 371 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:22,880 Speaker 1: was the answers? What did this person have to say? 372 00:18:22,920 --> 00:18:25,200 Speaker 1: And then what did the other podcast what did they 373 00:18:25,240 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: say about that in the podcast? You know, putting clips together? 374 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:32,879 Speaker 1: I think definitely drives people to watch both people's podcasts, 375 00:18:32,920 --> 00:18:36,840 Speaker 1: and yeah, there's definitely a business there. 376 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 2: So you were surprised that were you surprised that I 377 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,600 Speaker 2: spoke out about Dave Portner because you kind of spoke 378 00:18:56,119 --> 00:18:57,840 Speaker 2: about him in a way where you think like people 379 00:18:57,840 --> 00:19:00,200 Speaker 2: are sort of scared of him, like he'll like rush 380 00:19:00,240 --> 00:19:02,359 Speaker 2: somebody with one blow, and will you like, will you 381 00:19:02,440 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 2: like this bitch is crazy for like going up against 382 00:19:04,400 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 2: that guy. 383 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,760 Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't think. I don't think you're scared 384 00:19:07,760 --> 00:19:11,040 Speaker 1: of anything. I didn't think that that was the issue 385 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:15,520 Speaker 1: at all. I wanted to stay neutral. Oh you know, 386 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:19,399 Speaker 1: barstool I heard. I don't know. I just I wanted 387 00:19:19,400 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 1: to report on that one neutrally. But I didn't think 388 00:19:22,320 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 1: that you would have a problem holding your own or 389 00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: kind of saying what you felt. I mean, you had 390 00:19:27,680 --> 00:19:30,120 Speaker 1: already said it. You said it on TikTok. You said 391 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:33,960 Speaker 1: it on your podcast like if anybody's gonna go bast 392 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:35,159 Speaker 1: the balls, I think it's you. 393 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 2: So well, No, it's funny because you said one of 394 00:19:38,560 --> 00:19:41,159 Speaker 2: my interns might have gotten it wrong. What happened was 395 00:19:41,240 --> 00:19:45,520 Speaker 2: I saw so many clips on TikTok, and they didn't 396 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 2: show the part part that you that I that I 397 00:19:48,840 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 2: saw on yours, and then I went and listened to 398 00:19:50,720 --> 00:19:53,480 Speaker 2: the whole thing. You should to give everyone perspective. There 399 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:55,800 Speaker 2: was something that I said. I don't want to rehash 400 00:19:55,840 --> 00:19:59,120 Speaker 2: the whole thing, but I said something on TikTok, and 401 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:02,679 Speaker 2: then I thought that Portnoy hadn't doubled down on it. 402 00:20:02,720 --> 00:20:04,399 Speaker 2: I thought that he kind of got a little softer, 403 00:20:04,920 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: and Natalie was like, uh, yeah he did, Yeah, he 404 00:20:07,640 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 2: fucking did. And I went back and listened the whole thing. 405 00:20:09,720 --> 00:20:11,479 Speaker 2: I was like, wait, right now, he did, and I 406 00:20:11,520 --> 00:20:14,479 Speaker 2: owe it to my audience here to not because they 407 00:20:14,560 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: might not have listened to any of it. They don't 408 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,639 Speaker 2: even know who he is, right, so I wanted to 409 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:20,119 Speaker 2: clarify to them. Oh no, yes he did double and 410 00:20:20,160 --> 00:20:22,600 Speaker 2: triple down. So here I am doubling and tripling down. 411 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 2: And then he went quiet, he stopped because yeah, that was. 412 00:20:25,640 --> 00:20:27,639 Speaker 1: The end of that. But yeah, I wash clip. I 413 00:20:27,640 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: didn't see it at first. I was, you know, watched 414 00:20:29,760 --> 00:20:31,639 Speaker 1: the first half and thought, okay, that was the end 415 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:32,919 Speaker 1: of that, and then I saw it and was like, 416 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:36,320 Speaker 1: oh he's ser Bron. That's kind of crazy. 417 00:20:37,280 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 2: No, totally he'll go up against anybody, and I know 418 00:20:39,480 --> 00:20:41,040 Speaker 2: some of the people he's gone up against. And someone 419 00:20:41,080 --> 00:20:44,960 Speaker 2: I was with yesterday in the sports world was saying, yeah, 420 00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 2: he's quieted down with you for some reason. So he 421 00:20:47,840 --> 00:20:50,080 Speaker 2: did quiet down, And that's just fine with me, because 422 00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,920 Speaker 2: you know, I actually have met him, I've enjoyed him, 423 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:57,160 Speaker 2: I've liked him. I think he's done. He's been very successful, 424 00:20:57,600 --> 00:21:02,080 Speaker 2: and I think that it's important to say something when 425 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:04,639 Speaker 2: it's difficult to say something, because most people don't do that. 426 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:06,639 Speaker 2: So I wasn't going to go come after him, and 427 00:21:06,680 --> 00:21:09,040 Speaker 2: I didn't trash him, but to say, speak up for 428 00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:12,160 Speaker 2: just women in the way that a man who has 429 00:21:12,200 --> 00:21:15,560 Speaker 2: such influence is going to speak about a woman he's 430 00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:18,640 Speaker 2: never met, especially since he himself has been up against 431 00:21:19,080 --> 00:21:21,399 Speaker 2: what he's called false reporting. Now you're taking all of 432 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: your information based on a edited reality show and going 433 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:26,640 Speaker 2: to call somebody a name based on that. I thought 434 00:21:26,680 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 2: that that deserved a little bit of a call out. 435 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:31,720 Speaker 1: Yeah, definitely, I think that somebody had to say it. 436 00:21:31,800 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: That was my first thought. And I think that especially 437 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,560 Speaker 1: just the timing of it, when it's kind of died 438 00:21:36,640 --> 00:21:40,679 Speaker 1: down and like, let's talk about the successes of the 439 00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:42,960 Speaker 1: people on that show or something. But to like throw 440 00:21:43,040 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: out name calling, somebody had to say like that was weird, 441 00:21:46,560 --> 00:21:48,440 Speaker 1: you know, yeah, and then we can move on. 442 00:21:49,560 --> 00:21:52,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, let's talk about Did you see what I posted 443 00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 2: about Kim and Croy? Oh? 444 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:58,320 Speaker 1: Yes I did. Yeah. I was thinking about that a lot, 445 00:21:58,359 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: what you posted, because I think that it is relatable 446 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 1: to so many people, you know, to see kind of 447 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 1: chaos and via volatility like that, and like how heartbreaking 448 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,359 Speaker 1: it is for the children. So yeah, definitely feel awful 449 00:22:11,400 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: for the children, especially the young ones that are at home, 450 00:22:13,720 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: but the adult children as well, who are you know, 451 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:19,240 Speaker 1: facing these kind of headlines coming out about their parents. 452 00:22:20,080 --> 00:22:22,480 Speaker 2: To be honest, I thought about when I said, like, 453 00:22:22,560 --> 00:22:24,800 Speaker 2: pay your f and bills, because that was just like 454 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 2: something that I had seen in a headline, and now 455 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 2: that it's deeper, I can't. I can't. People should pay 456 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:33,439 Speaker 2: their bills and not front and stunt. And I think 457 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:36,480 Speaker 2: that's what reality television celebrates and is about, like you 458 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:38,400 Speaker 2: don't have to have money, you just have to look 459 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:40,360 Speaker 2: like you have money. And I find that to be problematic. 460 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 2: And the two of them have been trying to spend 461 00:22:43,359 --> 00:22:47,040 Speaker 2: in this machine and it happens. It happens with so 462 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 2: many of the people with all the logos and labels. 463 00:22:48,920 --> 00:22:51,120 Speaker 2: You guys think that they have money. They could be bankrupt. 464 00:22:51,200 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 2: They are coming on these shows to look rich, Jenshaw, 465 00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:57,600 Speaker 2: and then they think that being on the show, they're 466 00:22:57,600 --> 00:23:00,359 Speaker 2: gonna make they're going to make enough money, like what 467 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:02,720 Speaker 2: happened with my business, which takes a lot of work 468 00:23:03,080 --> 00:23:04,720 Speaker 2: to make enough money to make up for the fact 469 00:23:04,760 --> 00:23:07,760 Speaker 2: that they don't really have money. So they're spending. It's like, 470 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 2: let me spend all my bags and to look rich 471 00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 2: so the paycheck will catch up with there are the 472 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:14,360 Speaker 2: deals that I'm going to get, and it doesn't really 473 00:23:14,400 --> 00:23:16,880 Speaker 2: work like that. And I think that these two were 474 00:23:16,880 --> 00:23:18,600 Speaker 2: doing that. They wanted us to all think that they 475 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:20,239 Speaker 2: were really rich and they were probably going to through 476 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:21,719 Speaker 2: a lot of struggles. 477 00:23:21,560 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, that was kind of what I got from 478 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: it is it looks like they were kind of keeping 479 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,119 Speaker 1: up with the droneses or keeping up with the people 480 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:32,760 Speaker 1: on reality TV and thinking that these businesses would take 481 00:23:32,840 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: off and there would be offers made and it didn't happen, 482 00:23:37,040 --> 00:23:40,800 Speaker 1: and his NFL career was done and so that wasn't 483 00:23:40,840 --> 00:23:43,960 Speaker 1: coming in and then you think about you know, they 484 00:23:43,960 --> 00:23:46,320 Speaker 1: want to keep They probably want to keep the home 485 00:23:46,440 --> 00:23:49,119 Speaker 1: for their children. You want your kids to stay in 486 00:23:49,160 --> 00:23:52,040 Speaker 1: the same school and you know, keeping up the life 487 00:23:52,080 --> 00:23:55,080 Speaker 1: and staying where they are and at the level they're at. 488 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:59,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, I think it's just when we've all kind 489 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: of watched this on over years and so to see 490 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:05,600 Speaker 1: him like on film saying like this is right, this 491 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,959 Speaker 1: is what's happening, is wow heartbreaking. 492 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 2: It was heartbreaking. I was the kid in a house 493 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:15,359 Speaker 2: much crazier than that from what we hear, and it 494 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,600 Speaker 2: felt like they're both feeding off of each other. They 495 00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:21,040 Speaker 2: can't afford to do anything different. They're just like probably 496 00:24:21,040 --> 00:24:22,919 Speaker 2: the only people that understand what the other person is 497 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:26,159 Speaker 2: going through, and they probably on some sick level, love 498 00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:29,160 Speaker 2: each other hate each other. It's insane. I would love 499 00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:30,959 Speaker 2: to talk to one of them and just let them 500 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:33,280 Speaker 2: like breathe and like have a conversation because I do. 501 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:35,320 Speaker 2: I literally know what it's like to be in that 502 00:24:35,359 --> 00:24:37,360 Speaker 2: house and it's easier said than done to get out, 503 00:24:37,520 --> 00:24:39,679 Speaker 2: believe it or not. And yeah, I think they were 504 00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:43,040 Speaker 2: keeping up appearances. And that's the thing about housewives, whether 505 00:24:43,080 --> 00:24:47,199 Speaker 2: it's She by Chara or Sonya Morgan clothing or the 506 00:24:47,240 --> 00:24:52,680 Speaker 2: bags with Gretchen or you know, the hair with Erica 507 00:24:52,840 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 2: or the hair with I know what all these deals 508 00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:59,000 Speaker 2: look like, and I know how hard it is to 509 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:01,720 Speaker 2: make real money, like to make real money on those 510 00:25:01,800 --> 00:25:05,000 Speaker 2: It is extremely hard and takes years. I mean, it 511 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:08,560 Speaker 2: took me probably ten years to like to my shapewear 512 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,240 Speaker 2: and my salad dressing that are in major stores all 513 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: you know, all over major chains, Walmart, publics, like real store. 514 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 2: Took years before you were making real real money because 515 00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:21,679 Speaker 2: you stuck to it. It was successful. You can't just 516 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,280 Speaker 2: go launch hair and you know, the first day you 517 00:25:24,320 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 2: do sales and you do a party on TV, and like, 518 00:25:26,720 --> 00:25:29,800 Speaker 2: that's right, they're not making real money. That's not real money. 519 00:25:30,280 --> 00:25:35,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. First to bring in enough to maintain that, 520 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: it's got to be an insane amount. 521 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:41,480 Speaker 2: And well the businesses are so they can stay on 522 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,679 Speaker 2: the show because you need to have stuff going on. 523 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:45,919 Speaker 2: So it like looks like you know what I mean 524 00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:47,959 Speaker 2: if you think about. 525 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:53,000 Speaker 1: Part of those businesses, right, So they. 526 00:25:51,280 --> 00:25:54,640 Speaker 2: They don't really they technically they do. That's been signed, 527 00:25:54,800 --> 00:25:56,560 Speaker 2: but they don't audit it because what are you going 528 00:25:56,600 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 2: to go audit What did she by Charae do anymore 529 00:25:58,840 --> 00:26:01,200 Speaker 2: than I'm gonna go audit what my merch on Bravo. 530 00:26:01,400 --> 00:26:04,159 Speaker 1: They just to toaster open me. 531 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:07,439 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I'm saying. So but but if Sonia 532 00:26:07,680 --> 00:26:10,040 Speaker 2: ends up on the cover Forbes magazine because she sells 533 00:26:10,080 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 2: it to aust then they're gonna. 534 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:13,720 Speaker 1: They're gonna call back. Yeah. 535 00:26:13,840 --> 00:26:16,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is awesome. 536 00:26:16,400 --> 00:26:17,600 Speaker 1: Oh, thank you so much. 537 00:26:18,240 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 2: Awesome, Thanks all right, thank you guys.