Speaker 1: The nick A Gliser Podcast, Nick Glaser, here's Nikky. Hello here,
Speaker 1: I am welcome to the show. It's Nicky Glazer Podcast.
Speaker 1: Fresh week of Shows. Everyone's here, the whole gang. Brian
Speaker 1: Frangie on your Marina and Noah is in Arizona. Guys,
Speaker 1: what's up? How is your weekends? Anything? Any headlines? Because
Speaker 1: mine was pretty uneventful. I'm a song. Oh we all
Speaker 1: have so much stuff. Brian, would you like re recording
Speaker 1: a song?
Speaker 2: I am re re recording a song of mine from
Speaker 2: the past, and it's been fun and a challenge and
Speaker 2: I realized I really hate mixing, but the recording, the
Speaker 2: writing part is fun.
Speaker 1: What does that mean is fun?
Speaker 2: Mixing is like just tweaking stuff. So it's all been
Speaker 2: it's been written, it's been recorded, and now it's like,
Speaker 2: can we bring the cello? Like it's going, did hit?
Speaker 1: Did edit?
Speaker 3: Can we have it?
Speaker 1: God?
Speaker 2: Did it? Did did it? It's just like, okay, that'll
Speaker 2: take forty five minutes. It's just tedious TV.
Speaker 1: Isn't that nice because you can go like I want
Speaker 1: the shell to go. Did it?
Speaker 4: It?
Speaker 1: Did? Did it? And I'm gonna go make a tea
Speaker 1: and go sit and pet my dog for forty minutes.
Speaker 1: Like I like when things take long to have to
Speaker 1: do because then I have time, Like I'm doing something,
Speaker 1: but I'm I can't do it. I mean, you're not
Speaker 1: the one making the cello go dead in it. You know.
Speaker 2: That's a good attitude to have, and that's what I
Speaker 2: should do. I did get a lot of wordle done
Speaker 2: and a lot of spelling bees done, so while I
Speaker 2: was oh saying too.
Speaker 1: I think what you're saying is the mixing is kind
Speaker 1: of like the editing for my specials, which have always
Speaker 1: been the worst weeks of my entire life. And I'm
Speaker 1: I say that with no hyperbole. The worst times of
Speaker 1: my life have been editing my specials because I have
Speaker 1: to look at myself, listen to myself, make choices just
Speaker 1: and mostly like, look at myself. But you don't seem
Speaker 1: to have a problem listening to yourself, Like I do
Speaker 1: you do you hear stuff and go God, I wish
Speaker 1: I could do that again. No, it's no.
Speaker 2: In fact, I'm like that was good, and they're like,
Speaker 2: we should redo that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, I think it's good.
Speaker 2: It's charming, Like my guitar parts are I don't know.
Speaker 2: I used to hate my voice a lot, but you
Speaker 2: get used to it. It's been so many years, you know.
Speaker 2: But I would hate looking at myself. I think I would.
Speaker 2: I could not stand that, Like I have to make
Speaker 2: a video for this song, and I am dreading it,
Speaker 2: absolutely dreading it, But you.
Speaker 1: Couldn I can watch myself on mute. I can't listen
Speaker 1: to myself because I just get annoyed with why didn't
Speaker 1: you write a funnier line? Why did you why did
Speaker 1: you emphasize that word instead of that word? I think
Speaker 1: that so much of the artistry of stand up is
Speaker 1: actually I mean, it is the audio. The visual is
Speaker 1: like I'm always like, oh, my hair and makeup looks
Speaker 1: good and my dress looks cute, Like, well, I can't
Speaker 1: really like fuck with that, but the rest is all
Speaker 1: up to me, Like I can blame my makeup on
Speaker 1: my makeup girl and my parents for making my face
Speaker 1: look like that because each other.
Speaker 2: Stand up is like it's always evolving, whereas a song
Speaker 2: usually it's like, okay, now it's done. When you record it,
Speaker 2: it's done. But stand up, I guess you're always kind
Speaker 2: of working on that. I guess with music it's sort
Speaker 2: of the same, like that music. I was still the
Speaker 2: same way of like that lyric could be better. Oh
Speaker 2: that lyric is I know you have things where you're like, ah,
Speaker 2: that was a c that lyric. I didn't really work
Speaker 2: that hard and I could have made it an a
Speaker 2: but like we just wanted to finish the song. But
Speaker 2: you just feel like it's more once you recorded, it's
Speaker 2: set in stone and you don't have regrets about it. Actually,
Speaker 2: I did have that. This is Satellite Heart from the
Speaker 2: Twilight soundtrack, which I kind of want to release Anya's
Speaker 2: version because I never did own the master of that
Speaker 2: because I had to sell it to the Twilight people
Speaker 2: when it was on the soundtrack, and I really wanted
Speaker 2: to redo it with Cello's and like something more organic,
Speaker 2: and so now it's it sounds so cool, But re
Speaker 2: recording it, I'm like, wait, how this song is very
Speaker 2: It's like all the same tone and the thing that
Speaker 2: makes it dramatic is all the other shit, like Cello's
Speaker 2: coming in here, taking them away. Then there's drama, then
Speaker 2: there's one the weird note here. But it's like I
Speaker 2: didn't write that. I wrote a pretty like basic, pretty
Speaker 2: song that stays in this zone of like mah. So
Speaker 2: when I was recording it, I'm like, fuck, this is boring,
Speaker 2: But it's not when it's finished, you know, when like
Speaker 2: all the things have been added. But yeah, on its own,
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 1: Would you like Doney's version, Taylor Swift not done Taylor's versions?
Speaker 1: Were you inspired by rerecording? Like, because I feel like
Speaker 1: a lot of artists are starting to re record things
Speaker 1: after I wasn't inspired to re record it.
Speaker 2: I've wanted to do that for years because I'm like,
Speaker 2: I want to own this song. I want to put
Speaker 2: it out myself. I almost did it on my my
Speaker 2: live album a couple albums ago, but for some dumb reason,
Speaker 2: I just didn't get to it. But I was inspired
Speaker 2: to title it that. But now I'm like, maybe I
Speaker 2: won't because I don't want to be like, you know,
Speaker 2: like Taylor's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it would be. I think it's cool
Speaker 1: that she did that.
Speaker 2: I think it's great when artists re record their stuff,
Speaker 2: and it's great that she's been doing it like so
Speaker 2: fast because.
Speaker 1: It's becomes a story voice mature actually, because it's like
Speaker 1: yours is like ten fifteen years later, right.
Speaker 2: I was just a being them back to back, like
Speaker 2: the old version and the new one, and I was like, fuck,
Speaker 2: did I nail it in the old one? And I did,
Speaker 2: but I sang a little differently, Like there's this one
Speaker 2: line call It's about Bellow when she's depressed in Twilight,
Speaker 2: and the little line that I wrote is, call on
Speaker 2: all your girls, don't forget the boys, meaning call your friends,
Speaker 2: don't forget to date other people too. Just because this
Speaker 2: vampire left, you don't like become you know, a depressed
Speaker 2: person sitting at home. But I sang it in the
Speaker 2: original call on all your girls, don't forget the blaze.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, all right, little lady, like I was
Speaker 2: this time, you're not doing that buzze yeah, like you're
Speaker 2: not doing it like that. I was like, what was
Speaker 2: I doing? I mean, it's kind of cool. I never
Speaker 2: noticed it. Listening back, I was like, Okay, somebody's feeling it.
Speaker 1: Feeling it. Do you think your voice sounds different? Because
Speaker 1: on Taylor's different versions you can hear like you can
Speaker 1: hear the maturation of her voice. I mean, granted, she
Speaker 1: recorded a lot of these songs when she was eighteen,
Speaker 1: so like there's been a lot of a change. Your
Speaker 1: voice stops bearing at thirty three, So if you recorded
Speaker 1: thirty three, it's kind of doesn't change after that unless
Speaker 1: you want it eight or whatever.
Speaker 2: But now and see how different it is because she
Speaker 2: was really young.
Speaker 1: And she did so different. Yeah, we'll speak now, and
Speaker 1: Fearless is before to speak now, and she's done re
Speaker 1: records of that too, so yeah, it just it sounds,
Speaker 1: you can just it sounds like a girl singing and
Speaker 1: then it sounds like a woman. And also I spent
Speaker 1: all weekend watching vocal coaches on Instagram assessing Taylor's voice,
Speaker 1: and they do the right thing, which is they never
Speaker 1: say anything bad because they know better, so it's never
Speaker 1: like they're a was just like and they play examples
Speaker 1: of her belting out you know something from I Knew
Speaker 1: You were trouble at like some awards show in twenty seventeen,
Speaker 1: and then they do it now and it's really interesting
Speaker 1: because they just some of them, some of them are
Speaker 1: really annoying and they're like, oh, her dress is so pretty.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's not what you're here for. Tell me
Speaker 1: what she's doing with her mouth and her breath, and
Speaker 1: like they're like, oh, look at her, she's a little fairy.
Speaker 1: She is so cute. It's like, stop sucking up to
Speaker 1: the swifties watching this. We all know you like her,
Speaker 1: We all like we're on board. Ye. And so my
Speaker 1: makeup by lady was doing my makeup and I was
Speaker 1: watching them yesterday and I just kept screaming at like,
Speaker 1: we get it. You think she's cute, you're a vocal coach.
Speaker 1: Tell us what she's doing, What about her secret, why
Speaker 1: she's saying mon instead of mine? And what that does
Speaker 1: tour like, teach me the way.
Speaker 2: Yes, I've been taking vocal lessons. I told you with
Speaker 2: Charlotte Martin, who's fucking blowing my mind and irony of
Speaker 2: all ironies. Charlotte is the ex wife of Ken Andrews,
Speaker 2: who produced Satellite Heart for the Twilight soundtrack. So he
Speaker 2: it's just weird that at this, like fourteen years later,
Speaker 2: I'm re recording a song and now I just have
Speaker 2: to by coincidence, just by coincidence, I'm recording a song
Speaker 2: that my vocal teacher's ex husband like made.
Speaker 1: So you knew her through him, right? Yeah?
Speaker 2: I had met her years ago. She's an incredible singer songwriter,
Speaker 2: and now she's teaching and she's like kicking my ass.
Speaker 2: I've only had two lessons with her, but I like
Speaker 2: her so much. She's insane. She I've like stalked her
Speaker 2: on Instagram started during the pandemic. I'm just like, who
Speaker 2: Charlotte is wild? Like, but uh, she's like teaching me
Speaker 2: to sing and I'm trying to hit a note and.
Speaker 1: She's like, tighten your asshole, Tighten your asshole. My my,
Speaker 1: my vocal coach does the same thing. Try to like
Speaker 1: squash a peanut with your asshole when you're trying to
Speaker 1: hit a high note, because it it I don't know
Speaker 1: what it does, but it does. But he he always
Speaker 1: tells me. He's like, he's like, do a key goal.
Speaker 1: Like he's like trying not to talk about He's like, dude,
Speaker 1: whatever it is that you guys do down there to
Speaker 1: tighten He's trying to be very respectful. So yeah, when
Speaker 1: you go for a high note, tighten up down there,
Speaker 1: your asshole, your keygels and it does work. Wait, so
Speaker 1: that's how Mariah Carey gets those whistle tones. No, she is,
Speaker 1: she's naturally just a really she just her body probably
Speaker 1: does that naturally. I don't think she's definitely had training,
Speaker 1: but I don't think the whistle tones are a different
Speaker 1: a different thing. I think it means have a pin
Speaker 1: sized hole between them, that she can put them together
Speaker 1: and leave a little tiny space that's tinier than any
Speaker 1: space you could imagine, and that's what the wind is
Speaker 1: going through. What did you find out, Anya?
Speaker 2: I found out I'm a coloratura, which I didn't even
Speaker 2: I thought that was just a type of opera singer.
Speaker 2: But Charlotte was like, your range is insane. And I've
Speaker 2: never tell me any nice thing about my voice, because
Speaker 2: my whole life people have told me my voice is
Speaker 2: like inadequa nice to hear, I know. I was like,
Speaker 2: I am, so it just means I have a really
Speaker 2: high range. She's like, you're a fucking G six. Like
Speaker 2: she's doing like da da da da da da da
Speaker 2: da da dah dadda, and I'm like going higher and
Speaker 2: higher and every octave She's like, fuck you, I hate you.
Speaker 2: What the fuck people are gonna pay you? She's so
Speaker 2: fun follow her char mar music Charlotte Martin.
Speaker 1: So I'm trying a lesson with her on next week
Speaker 1: and she's not going to say that to me. She's
Speaker 1: just I wonder what way she spin it. To make
Speaker 1: me feel good about myself. I know I was like
Speaker 1: black and white, a toro, not a color a toro,
Speaker 1: you're a c Yeah, it's going to be uh disappointing,
Speaker 1: but she'll find She'll be like, you are funny. Your
Speaker 1: sounds are funny.
Speaker 2: That's what you have, such a great quality to your voice.
Speaker 2: You got that Julie Glazer Jeane going through your No, you.
Speaker 1: Don't say that. That was thirty seven years of smoking
Speaker 1: is what gave my mom that No, she has power, dude,
Speaker 1: thank you. And then Brian, what did you do this weekend?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 4: I spent a lot of time digging into this Rachel
Speaker 4: Zieglert controversy about the Snow White movie that's coming out.
Speaker 4: Me and my wife sat and watched a bunch of
Speaker 4: YouTube videos because I want to figure out. I wanted
Speaker 4: to figure out why are people so upset? Do you
Speaker 4: guys know what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: I think so yeah.
Speaker 1: And I could not care less because she's just an
Speaker 1: annoying theater girl who is like Leah Michelle, like she
Speaker 1: thinks she's she's never she's always the soprano, she always
Speaker 1: gets the leads. She's always been successful for her whole life,
Speaker 1: and she doesn't have a lot of perspective, and she
Speaker 1: complained about being snow white or something, and she's trying
Speaker 1: to relate to the SAG strike is that it and
Speaker 1: people didn't like it because she's like, I have to
Speaker 1: be in here and makeup all day and everyone's like, oh,
Speaker 1: that's your job, bitch? Is that it?
Speaker 3: No, Well, that's part of it.
Speaker 4: But I think the original reason people are getting upset
Speaker 4: was because it was kind of like hard to put
Speaker 4: my finger on. And so we watched all the interviews
Speaker 4: like over and over again to be like, why.
Speaker 3: Is this upset?
Speaker 1: She's pretty and successful and talented, and most people aren't.
Speaker 3: Wait, that's not fair.
Speaker 4: That's not fair, because like that's like saying like you're
Speaker 4: just mad because a woman has an opinion, and it's like,
Speaker 4: I don't know. I hear a lot of women with
Speaker 4: opinions and I don't get like upset about what they're saying.
Speaker 4: For some reason, these interviews are upsetting and me and
Speaker 4: my why is this upsetting?
Speaker 1: Okay? Why I can't person understand? Why does she? Okay,
Speaker 1: here's someone who was annoying.
Speaker 2: I thought the controversy was that she dissed the original
Speaker 2: snow White by saying it's super sexist and fucking weird.
Speaker 2: Their dynamic is creepy. He like stalks her, this is
Speaker 2: not in nineteen thirty nine production. We're doing a modern
Speaker 2: version of snow White that's not problematic. And people were
Speaker 2: up in arms. Is that the controversy?
Speaker 3: Yeah? But so why why is that upsetting?
Speaker 4: And I think, uh, And what happened was we started
Speaker 4: watching all these takes on YouTube, and then something happened
Speaker 4: that I can't believe. I watched a take on from
Speaker 4: a clip from Fox News and they articulated why I
Speaker 4: was upset. And I was sitting there going like, yeah,
Speaker 4: you're right, that is why it's annoying. And then I
Speaker 4: realized a switch flipped. This is what people love Fox
Speaker 4: News for because they watch stuff and they're upset and
Speaker 4: they don't know why.
Speaker 3: And then some blonde woman in her you know, like
Speaker 3: in great hair.
Speaker 4: And makeup, says something articulating why you're upset, and it
Speaker 4: gives you justifies that feeling.
Speaker 1: Really, what did this blonde woman with too much eyeshadow
Speaker 1: tell you?
Speaker 3: Yes, she said that.
Speaker 4: Rachel Ziegler basically, this is starring in snow White, but
Speaker 4: she hates snow white, she hates her own character.
Speaker 3: Why is she even doing it? If she why did
Speaker 3: they to be famous?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 3: But why did Disney pick somebody because they didn't.
Speaker 1: Know she hated her? Like they get for she didn't
Speaker 1: walk into the audition and go I actually hate this,
Speaker 1: I'm it anyway, And now it's coming out after she
Speaker 1: already has again, why why would they give it to
Speaker 1: her because they didn't know she hated it? Question?
Speaker 4: It's a rhetorical questions that's explaining why I'm upset or
Speaker 4: why the Fox News viewers are upset. But it's not
Speaker 4: like the logically why did this happen? Like we can
Speaker 4: all figure out how this could have possibly happened, but
Speaker 4: why what?
Speaker 3: What about it? And then also just like.
Speaker 1: When they have kids and then they go being a
Speaker 1: mother so hard, it's like, well you wanted it. People
Speaker 1: don't go, but people allow that to happen and they
Speaker 1: don't go, well, then let's take your kid away, you know,
Speaker 1: like why can't this not like something she worked hard
Speaker 1: to get because she's pretty and successful and we're supposed
Speaker 1: to be like just like it, and she's white, and
Speaker 1: so we're like, why didn't they give it to a
Speaker 1: black woman, and like, I don't even think I haven't
Speaker 1: paid attention. Okay, she's not white, so I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't know what's critical. I think they're just I think
Speaker 1: people are just jealous that she's pretty and talented and
Speaker 1: she is a little sassy and a bad attitude, and
Speaker 1: people are like, fuck you, and if you're pretty, we
Speaker 1: have to like you. If you're pretty, and like, if
Speaker 1: you're pretty and you don't have a bad attitude, everyone
Speaker 1: will love you, even though on the last episode I
Speaker 1: talked about someone who's very pretty and everyone fucking loves
Speaker 1: and she actually does have a bad attitude because she
Speaker 1: yielded the Barisa and you'll never know about it. But
Speaker 1: Rachel is being honest about her bad attitude and it's
Speaker 1: leaking out and people don't like it's the same thing
Speaker 1: that happened to Limm Michelle.
Speaker 4: It's less about her bad attitude. And there is something
Speaker 4: in like that there's like a condescension in the tone,
Speaker 4: and that's what Ali was saying, Like she's like there's
Speaker 4: something about her that she's just like she just sounds
Speaker 4: like a Braddy gen Z spoiled kid. And that's I
Speaker 4: think part of it that's not grateful as well. So
Speaker 4: there's plenty of hot girls who have attitudes who I'm not.
Speaker 4: I don't when I listen to them, I'm not mad
Speaker 4: like I don't think it's fair to say like you're
Speaker 4: just you're just mad.
Speaker 1: No, I don't think that's why you are. I think
Speaker 1: that's why as just a society, we want people to
Speaker 1: If someone's like hot and has had literally you just think, man,
Speaker 1: they were born with a perfect voice, so much talent.
Speaker 1: They're also thin and beautiful, Like it takes so many
Speaker 1: you have to roll so many dice and land on
Speaker 1: the perfect number. She rolled a Yatzi in life. Each
Speaker 1: of her dice, her body, her face, her voice, her
Speaker 1: hard work, her the money she was probably born into.
Speaker 1: She rolled a fucking yatzi all landed on one number,
Speaker 1: and she is a perfect person. And then for that
Speaker 1: person to not be grateful and always be sweet like
Speaker 1: Margot Robbie. If Margot Robbie had a little bit of
Speaker 1: an attitude at any point, everyone would turn on her.
Speaker 1: If you're a pretty girl that's been like given a
Speaker 1: lot of talent, you are walking a very fine line
Speaker 1: and you better keep in line and be grateful and
Speaker 1: only be nice and you can be a diva, but
Speaker 1: you better have earned it first, and she hasn't earned
Speaker 1: it yet. She could get this, she could Marik Carry
Speaker 1: Whitney Houston. Who are other women that are like notoriously
Speaker 1: like kind of like divas. They had success first, you
Speaker 1: know before we before.
Speaker 3: That's probably part of it.
Speaker 4: And there's there's also the aspect of like just paying
Speaker 4: no respect to like the creative people who came.
Speaker 1: To the Nazi who wrote it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, you know, it's just at the time this.
Speaker 4: Snow White came out in the thirties when like they
Speaker 4: didn't even make cartoon movies like this, so like this
Speaker 4: was a this was a groundbreaking movie and obviously it
Speaker 4: had a cultural significance.
Speaker 3: And then just to say, like it's from nineteen thirty eight,
Speaker 3: so therefore it's trash. Yeah, is like a little bit offensive.
Speaker 1: I think, why is it offensive? It's a fucking movie.
Speaker 1: Who gives a shit anyone who's like, but snow White
Speaker 1: was the first movie ever they're all dead who was
Speaker 1: standing up for.
Speaker 4: Like that was Another funny thing is like everybody who
Speaker 4: like there's all these people online pretending like snow White,
Speaker 4: like a change their childhood.
Speaker 3: You're like a ninety year old.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's why do we have to respect everything?
Speaker 1: That's all too Why can't we say no? Do we
Speaker 1: do that with slavery? Like I know it's not the same,
Speaker 1: but no. One's like, don't offend this thing that got
Speaker 1: me through life. Don't take that away or shame it.
Speaker 1: And that was just the time. It's like we can
Speaker 1: say things are shit back then.
Speaker 3: It's about respect. It's not shit. It was a different time.
Speaker 1: What cartoonists, Who gives a fuck?
Speaker 4: Without that movie, you wouldn't have the movies you have today.
Speaker 4: It's just like saying fuck Lenny Bruce, he's not funny
Speaker 4: and giving him no respect at all because she's winning
Speaker 4: no respect. She said, well, first of all, it's a
Speaker 4: movie from nineteen thirty eight. It's right there, it's shit,
Speaker 4: and also it's creepy and like the Prince. And then
Speaker 4: she said something which you know, as a man, I
Speaker 4: was like a little upset about where she's like, we
Speaker 4: should just cut out all the scenes with the man
Speaker 4: in it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that's a bummer. I think she's going she
Speaker 1: was prolling on a little soapbox. Sorry, it's definitely on one. No,
Speaker 1: you're right, she's on one.
Speaker 2: But I don't think these are her original ideas. They
Speaker 2: sound like regurgitated ideas she got from the directors.
Speaker 1: She probably thought people were going to like her a
Speaker 1: lot more once she did this, and it backfired because
Speaker 1: someone like her is very calculated about being liked and
Speaker 1: this she's probably devastated that people don't like her. This
Speaker 1: is probably not very.
Speaker 2: Generation is psyched.
Speaker 1: About what.
Speaker 2: No don't like her standing up to old Fox News people.
Speaker 1: No one likes her right now.
Speaker 3: I don't know no one.
Speaker 4: I think, well there because there's the ant, there's like
Speaker 4: the woke, there's the anti woke people like Fox News.
Speaker 1: We're going to a break and then we're going to
Speaker 1: break this down after that because we desperately have to
Speaker 1: go to break. But we're going to get into this
Speaker 1: more Rachel Ziggler thing when we get back. And by
Speaker 1: the way, Ziggler was the last name of the most
Speaker 1: beautiful girl in my high school, so I think it's like,
Speaker 1: if you are born with that last name, you are stunning.
Speaker 1: I just want to Lauren Ziggler, are you out there?
Speaker 1: Where are you? I've been looking for you forever because
Speaker 1: you were the most stunning person in our high school,
Speaker 1: and I cannot find you anywhere because once women get married,
Speaker 1: they give up their names and then they become missing
Speaker 1: persons and it's bullshit. I'll be right right after this,
Speaker 1: all right. So people who don't like Rachel Zigler, they're split. Brian,
Speaker 1: You've done a lot more research than I have.
Speaker 4: I what's really fascinating about this whole thing is that
Speaker 4: she's getting flack from the woke crowd and the anti
Speaker 4: woke crowd. So the people on Fox News and a
Speaker 4: bunch of like mostly male young YouTubers are saying like,
Speaker 4: we're mad at you for disrespecting the movie and for
Speaker 4: being a woman with an opinion like.
Speaker 3: Stuff like that.
Speaker 4: And then the woke people are also mad because and
Speaker 4: this is more, this is less mad at Rachel Ziegler,
Speaker 4: more mad at like just Disney and writing overall, because
Speaker 4: they're saying.
Speaker 3: Like Rachel is saying that we can't have a movie
Speaker 3: where the main.
Speaker 4: Character just falls in love and wants to find a
Speaker 4: prince and settle down and have a home and all
Speaker 4: that stuff.
Speaker 3: And the people are saying, like, why is it that.
Speaker 4: Every woman in every fucking thing in the last five
Speaker 4: years needs to be a girl, boss bitch.
Speaker 3: Why does every woman needs to.
Speaker 4: Be an action hero protagonist that's just cutting bad guys
Speaker 4: heads off while holding a baby in her arms. Can't
Speaker 4: there be a protagonist that's just interested in, you know,
Speaker 4: having a nice home and friends and stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Why does it have to be every character that's a
Speaker 4: woman has to be a strong female protagonist, boss bitch
Speaker 4: who also has kids.
Speaker 2: Because don't feel yes, yes, whole romantic love bullshit, being
Speaker 2: like the Pinnacle and Barbie is really.
Speaker 4: They got to the point to the point where you
Speaker 4: can't have a female like I'm interested in finding a
Speaker 4: huzz been in having a family, because that's not good enough.
Speaker 4: And the lesson to be learned is like, no, a
Speaker 4: woman can be any type of character. It doesn't have
Speaker 4: to be either in the thirties a woman who just
Speaker 4: falls in love or in the twenty twenties where a
Speaker 4: woman has to be a CEO of.
Speaker 3: A major corporation with three kids cutting.
Speaker 4: People's heads off. Okay, it can be anything. And I think, well,
Speaker 4: go on, Nikki, I mean I haven't there's a number.
Speaker 1: Keep going, go go.
Speaker 3: The other part to this is the dwarfs, right, we
Speaker 3: all we all know about the dwarf situation where there's
Speaker 3: the seven dwarfs and instead of making it seven dwarfs
Speaker 3: with Peter Dinklich was very upset about they made one
Speaker 3: dwarf and then six just uh characters from all across
Speaker 3: the world.
Speaker 1: Calls them freaks of nature. I think. Yeah. Timdall does
Speaker 1: a great rant about what are these dwarves when they
Speaker 1: announced it, he was like, they look like they got
Speaker 1: seven random people from skid row. One doesn't have It's
Speaker 1: like all different types of people, and it is a
Speaker 1: characters that no one really wants to look at. I mean, no,
Speaker 1: it's disturbing.
Speaker 4: There's such a funny part in Tim's rant where he goes,
Speaker 4: he look, there's a guy in the middle who just
Speaker 4: looks like a white guy with long hair. And Tim's like,
Speaker 4: what category is that guy? Why is he getting in
Speaker 4: this little lineup?
Speaker 1: Because they're trying to represent like the rainbow of like disabilities,
Speaker 1: and you know, and there isn't a is there a
Speaker 1: dwarf in them?
Speaker 4: Or the one dwarf one dwarf and he's in the
Speaker 4: front obviously, because if you were filming, you wouldn't be
Speaker 4: able to see him if he was in any other spot, right,
Speaker 4: it should be seven dwarfs, but instead it's just one.
Speaker 4: But here's the lesson, And this is why I think
Speaker 4: everyone's mad. I think it's why people are mad at
Speaker 4: Rachel Ziegler. I think it's why people are mad at
Speaker 4: snow White. I think it's why people are even mad
Speaker 4: at that Little Mermaid movie, even though eighty percent of
Speaker 4: the people mad at the Little Mermaid movie are probably racist,
Speaker 4: but the other twenty percent, it's because stop pandering. Just
Speaker 4: make something good. Don't try to figure out the political
Speaker 4: angle that will sell more tick gets, because you're not
Speaker 4: going to be able to predict what woke people and
Speaker 4: anti woke people want. If you're pandering, we'll.
Speaker 3: See it, will be annoyed.
Speaker 1: But no, I think I think that decisions that have
Speaker 1: been made to make things more inclusive have been good.
Speaker 1: Where we see like people are complaining, like god, every
Speaker 1: couple in a in every TV ad has to be
Speaker 1: a mixed couple. Now, Like, I think that's good to
Speaker 1: put those people. That is a choice that was made
Speaker 1: to say we're not gonna just cast white people all
Speaker 1: the time. If we're just lazy about things you were
Speaker 1: You were citing something the other day, Brian, where you
Speaker 1: were like all the people were white? What was that
Speaker 1: you were talking about? And you were like today, can
Speaker 1: you imagine? So that was all the people being white?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so I was. I was watching School of Rock,
Speaker 3: the Jack Black, Great Jack Black movie.
Speaker 1: From two thousand and eighty oh three, Jesus okay.
Speaker 3: Two thousand and three.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm watching this movie and and you know,
Speaker 4: School of Rock has Jack Black, who's obviously a white man,
Speaker 4: and then he has got his class and the class
Speaker 4: was a diverse he's yeah, so it was it was
Speaker 4: early representation of little people in cinema. There's also the
Speaker 4: class which is actually pretty diverse, even though most of
Speaker 4: the diverse classmates were like stereotyped in certain ways that
Speaker 4: probably today would get a little bit of black, Like,
Speaker 4: you know, the the Asian guy is nerdy like stuff
Speaker 4: like that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, why is he playing the violin? Why is the
Speaker 1: black kid rapping?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 4: The Asian I played the piano, which is and then like,
Speaker 4: of course the amazing Sineer.
Speaker 1: Instrument that is always being played in Canal Street, that
Speaker 1: little string weird, like just so fucking stereotyped. Okay, go on.
Speaker 3: So that was good.
Speaker 4: But then I'm watching in every scene where there's supplementary characters,
Speaker 4: In every single instance where there can be an extra
Speaker 4: character who's not intrinsic to the plot, they are white,
Speaker 4: a white man, so generally. So like at the beginning
Speaker 4: of the movie, Uh, Jack Black gets kicked out of
Speaker 4: his original band, and the band has four bandmates in it,
Speaker 4: and out of those four, guess how many of them
Speaker 4: were straight white men.
Speaker 1: All I'm not going to guess.
Speaker 4: I know, so that's all four of them are straight
Speaker 4: white men. And it got to the point where I'm
Speaker 4: so used to watching shows that aren't just all white
Speaker 4: people that I was like, I can't tell these four
Speaker 4: guys apart, Like they all.
Speaker 3: Look like the same fucking guide to me.
Speaker 4: It's actually confusing watching movies from the nineties sometimes because
Speaker 4: you're like, is this all white?
Speaker 3: This is the same guy?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's so funny.
Speaker 4: And then like Jack Black has his teachers that are
Speaker 4: at the school with him that he's substitute teaching at,
Speaker 4: and they're at a lunch They're at a lunch team,
Speaker 4: they're at the table and except for one guy out
Speaker 4: of five teachers, all of them were white, four white guys,
Speaker 4: one woman and then and then a non white guy.
Speaker 4: And it's like, I can't believe how many of these
Speaker 4: white guys are being cast. If this wasn't a movie today,
Speaker 4: it would be like making a statement about like maybe
Speaker 4: it's like, uh, you know, only rich people are like
Speaker 4: the devil, Like this is Hell's lunch.
Speaker 1: Table, right if that if that was any white people,
Speaker 1: which is a good thing.
Speaker 3: But when that's a good thing, that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 3: It's a good thing. Well, it's bad for me personally.
Speaker 1: See the amount of white men I've heard, and I
Speaker 1: don't you know, I don't begrudge them, Like, and everyone's
Speaker 1: always gonna there's gonna be a some group of people
Speaker 1: that's gonna miss out when there's things like affirmative action
Speaker 1: or some kind of like mandate to put more people
Speaker 1: of color in writers' rooms on TV, Like there's there's
Speaker 1: gonna be white men and white women who are gonna
Speaker 1: miss out. And I just say to them because you know,
Speaker 1: as a white woman too, I kind of got successful
Speaker 1: before it became like you can't have and I'm a woman.
Speaker 1: So it's still kind of a minority, especially in the
Speaker 1: comedy world, so I benefit from that too. But it
Speaker 1: just it's like I say to white men, like they're
Speaker 1: just like, man, it sucks right now, no one wants
Speaker 1: I mean, you hear it constantly white men saying it's
Speaker 1: just not the time for us right now, and most
Speaker 1: of them have that kind of attitude about it, like
Speaker 1: it's just you know, it's not a good time for us,
Speaker 1: because it is true, but being mad at it is true.
Speaker 1: It's just like not the best time to be born
Speaker 1: as a white man. And that's just the you know,
Speaker 1: and the rest of the time, it was shitty to
Speaker 1: be born a person of color trying to make it
Speaker 1: in this business. So you know, you don't get everything
Speaker 1: you want in life, I guess is the theme of
Speaker 1: this that people just I think sometimes people just think
Speaker 1: that but I want it, and you just go, well,
Speaker 1: you just you don't get to have not everyone gets
Speaker 1: everything they want, and sometimes that sucks.
Speaker 4: Yeah, okay, would make So would you have made that
Speaker 4: argument thirty years ago to a black person who's saying
Speaker 4: that we can't get cats in anything?
Speaker 1: Yes, because that's the way the world is working, right,
Speaker 1: I'd say, I want to I would like it to
Speaker 1: be different for you, but it's not, and this sucks.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying like, just accept it and don't like
Speaker 1: fight against it, but sometimes you just do have to accept,
Speaker 1: Like the way things are aren't fair. Some people are
Speaker 1: born into money, some people aren't. Some people are born
Speaker 1: with a talent, some people aren't. Like I was talking
Speaker 1: to Well, this is a sticky situation that I should
Speaker 1: probably leave for the Bonus pod, But we were talking
Speaker 1: about trans people in sports, and I actually have a
Speaker 1: very good explanation for it and why things should be
Speaker 1: the way I think they should be. I'm gonna save
Speaker 1: that for a time when it is not such a
Speaker 1: a polarizing subject to get on. But I was talking
Speaker 1: to my boyfriend the other day about it, and he
Speaker 1: was on one side, I was on the other, and
Speaker 1: then we came to the same side, and I came
Speaker 1: up with like an air tight argument for it, and
Speaker 1: I can't wait to share it with you guys offline.
Speaker 1: But it's pretty damn good. My point being maybe you
Speaker 1: can get to it from me saying this. You don't
Speaker 1: always get what you want, you know, Like Chris is
Speaker 1: really good athletically, but he's not tall enough to play basketball.
Speaker 1: At a level that he should. He could probably be
Speaker 1: an amazing basketball player if he were born with a
Speaker 1: different body, but he wasn't, so that sucks he can't
Speaker 1: play basketball. Like if we're talking, I am the biggest
Speaker 1: trans rights advocas that I know of. Personally, I'm the
Speaker 1: one that's always I feel like I'm on the right
Speaker 1: side of things. I have lots of trans friends. I
Speaker 1: try to educate myself about stuff. But I do believe
Speaker 1: like I wasn't born with the vocal cords that I
Speaker 1: want to be a pop singer. I wasn't born with
Speaker 1: the agility to dance the way I would want you
Speaker 1: to be a pop star. I wasn't born with the
Speaker 1: parents that were like, we should get you in dance
Speaker 1: classes and singing lessons and guitar lessons at the age
Speaker 1: of seven, so you can be a pop star someday,
Speaker 1: And some people were And that sucks. But it's I
Speaker 1: could have maybe done it, but I didn't get to
Speaker 1: because I wasn't born in the body of someone that's
Speaker 1: good at dancing and singing. But inside me, I know
Speaker 1: I could be It does this make sense at all?
Speaker 1: Like time's gonna tell you you can? Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: but it's but yes, you can with enough training. But
Speaker 1: like my boyfriend will never be in the NBA. I know,
Speaker 1: Muggsy Bogues was five eight or something, but Chris, because
Speaker 1: of his height is kind of it's impossible for him
Speaker 1: to be in the NBA at any time in his life.
Speaker 1: Would you agree Brian that, like you probably wanted to
Speaker 1: be some story, you wanted to be a basketball player.
Speaker 1: What stopped you from being the best basketball player possible?
Speaker 3: But the best basketball player? I wasn't very I wasn't good.
Speaker 1: So your body betrayed you right like your body you
Speaker 1: were born into it. Because my friend the other day
Speaker 1: was like, listen, I love trans people and I totally
Speaker 1: want them to have every right they want. But I
Speaker 1: will never understand what it's like to be born in
Speaker 1: a body that isn't the right body. I'll never understand that.
Speaker 1: And I go, really, cause aren't you fat? Aren't you
Speaker 1: a woman who struggled with her weight her whole I
Speaker 1: say fat? She was, like, am I she identifies as
Speaker 1: a fat person? She's not really now, but like she
Speaker 1: is a person that has struggled with her weight her
Speaker 1: whole life. And I go, how do you not understand,
Speaker 1: and she was like, WHOA, I never thought of that.
Speaker 1: I'm like, that's all you gotta do. Have you ever
Speaker 1: not liked your face? Have you ever not liked your hair?
Speaker 1: Have you ever not liked and thought, you know, why
Speaker 1: does that girl have that hair? I should have been
Speaker 1: born with that hair. I feel like I should have
Speaker 1: been born with straight, silky hair or whatever it is.
Speaker 1: You weren't. So you are you can empathize with trans people.
Speaker 1: You wish that, you feel deep in your soul that
Speaker 1: you should have been born with a different look or
Speaker 1: a different body. That's how you get to that. So
Speaker 1: I just feel like we can all kind of relate
Speaker 1: to that struggle. I don't know how I got to transdot,
Speaker 1: but that's how I feel about that.
Speaker 3: People go, I don't.
Speaker 1: Understand what this could be. I'll respect it, but I
Speaker 1: don't get it. Oh so you were just unless you're
Speaker 1: fucking Giselle Bunchin. She's the only person on the planet
Speaker 1: that should be like I don't get wanting to be
Speaker 1: born in a different body because everything on her is perfect.
Speaker 1: She's the only one that should have no trans empathy.
Speaker 1: I'm sure she does.
Speaker 2: She even had a nose job.
Speaker 1: Okay, so there you go. She had an operation for
Speaker 1: her outside to match her inside. So anyone that's a
Speaker 1: new thing. Anyone who's had any corrective braces or a
Speaker 1: nose job or a brow lift, you're not allowed to.
Speaker 1: Not like trans people, you did the same thing they
Speaker 1: did of switching your outside to match your inside. Boom
Speaker 1: case closed.
Speaker 3: What about people who just want tattoo.
Speaker 1: I mean they Yeah, I would say that too. You
Speaker 1: you body modified to match your inside something, and you
Speaker 1: wanted this tattoo. I really regret not getting a tattoo.
Speaker 1: I fucking so regret it in my youth time. You
Speaker 1: can still do that, Yeah, I can, and I probably
Speaker 1: will because I.
Speaker 2: Swift in like a gothic front really big across your chest.
Speaker 1: No, because that's gonna be it's gonna start melting, you know,
Speaker 1: like yeah, and that's an area that like, I don't
Speaker 1: want anyone looking at my decoltage. That's getting spotty.
Speaker 2: And just you get ahead of it and you just
Speaker 2: tattoo old swifty.
Speaker 1: Because no one wants to see an old woman's chest.
Speaker 1: No offense to old women out there showing their chest.
Speaker 1: That's not something I'll want to show off. Not that
Speaker 1: you know, there is a girl I know that has
Speaker 1: born in two thousand tattooed on the back of her
Speaker 1: like right below her butt cheeks, right born in and
Speaker 1: then or made in and then two thousand, the year
Speaker 1: two thousand, and I'm like, that is so cool right
Speaker 1: now because it shows everyone you're so fucking young. But
Speaker 1: you are going to be hi. You're going to have
Speaker 1: that number adapted at the end pretty soon, Like what
Speaker 1: year does she start covering that up? But it isn't
Speaker 1: a place on her body where she won't be showing
Speaker 1: that region off when she is ashamed of that number.
Speaker 1: So I guess it's the perfect place to put it
Speaker 1: because right now you see it all the time. Yeah, well,
Speaker 1: it makes sense because it's in the place that you
Speaker 1: show when you're in your twenties. But it is She's
Speaker 1: going to start wearing shorts that go less short pretty
Speaker 1: soon and then you won't see it. But yeah, that's
Speaker 1: but I regret not getting one because I like having
Speaker 1: memories on my body of like things that happen in
Speaker 1: my life, Like I have this fucking curling iron burn
Speaker 1: that will always remember me remind me of being backstage
Speaker 1: in Europe, of the Europe trip. And then I have
Speaker 1: this scar from the Dead Sea that will never go away,
Speaker 1: and it reminded me of walking into the Dead Sea.
Speaker 1: And I have different scars. I have a scratch on
Speaker 1: my face that my sister scratched me on the face
Speaker 1: when we were fighting as a kid, and it reminds
Speaker 1: me of like hating her that day. I have a
Speaker 1: I have another scratch on my finger on my thumb
Speaker 1: from a trash can the first day that I ever
Speaker 1: did live radio in Kansas City. I remember, I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'll always remember that this scar is from the first
Speaker 1: time I ever went on radio, which is a big
Speaker 1: deal in my life. I like having little little reminders
Speaker 1: even of like things that are embarrassing earlier. On that day,
Speaker 1: I just was throwing something away and there was like
Speaker 1: a little piece of metal sticking out of it and
Speaker 1: it just scratched it, and I just gotta imagine, Oh,
Speaker 1: my god, thank you.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I do want to say sorry, what well, just
Speaker 4: just to finish, just to wrap up what I was
Speaker 4: saying before. And also speaking of tattoos. When I was
Speaker 4: watching Schindler's List, there's two characters in Schindler's List. Two
Speaker 4: main characters. There's Liam Neeson and there's Ralph Findes. Did
Speaker 4: he say his name?
Speaker 1: Fine?
Speaker 3: Raife's Ralph?
Speaker 1: I think it's I think it's spelled Ralph, but it's
Speaker 1: pronounced ray Finds.
Speaker 4: Okay, I think I thought there was another guy named
Speaker 4: Ray Finds that and so, and then Ralph Finds is
Speaker 4: a different guy.
Speaker 3: What the fuck is going on? Anyway?
Speaker 4: I saw these two guys in Schindler's list, and when
Speaker 4: I they're.
Speaker 3: Both white guys.
Speaker 4: And when I and you start off with Schindler, who
Speaker 4: was played by Liam Neeson, and then eventually you see
Speaker 4: Ray Fines Raith Finds. And when I saw Ray Fines,
Speaker 4: I was like, why is Oscar Schindler wearing a Nazi
Speaker 4: uniform or whatever? Because I thought they were the same
Speaker 4: guy for like the first forty five minutes of.
Speaker 1: The Yeah, they look so similar.
Speaker 4: Right, not only are they white guys, but they look similar.
Speaker 4: And it's like, only in the nineties would you be
Speaker 4: able to do casting like this.
Speaker 1: Well, also as a period piece that is about white people,
Speaker 1: you can't kiss a black person as shit, learn right. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I went to a play once on Broadway and it
Speaker 2: was like some old play that you like don't fuck
Speaker 2: with right, Like, I don't know some maybe it was.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Glen Garry Glen Ross, but it was a
Speaker 2: classic old Broadway play and they they they did it updated.
Speaker 2: So the married couple in the fifties was it was
Speaker 2: like they were both white and then their black son
Speaker 2: came home from Vietnam, and then they're like trans child
Speaker 2: came home, and then they're like Asian child came home.
Speaker 2: And the audience was free. It was all old people
Speaker 2: and they were so fucking confused. But it was just
Speaker 2: like modern casting. It was just something that people were wait.
Speaker 1: Glengary Glenn Rosse. Isn't that the movie where Alec Baldwin
Speaker 1: like screams in a Yes.
Speaker 2: It wasn't Glengarry Glenn Russ. But it was an old
Speaker 2: play that was set in the fifties and all the old.
Speaker 1: People were like, how can his shun me black? What is?
Speaker 2: And it was like they're just doing this for casting,
Speaker 2: They're just doing this for representation, to challenge us.
Speaker 1: Well, I think it is confusing, but redoing they're.
Speaker 3: Redoing twelve Angry Men. It's called twelve Angry people.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: I could see that happening, but we'll see.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: I guess I just I don't care because I'm not
Speaker 1: an actress. I guess it would bother me if as
Speaker 1: a white person to be like, oh, it's it's tough
Speaker 1: out there right now, but you know it's there's It's
Speaker 1: still when I do a comedy show, there's like maybe
Speaker 1: one other girl on the on the the lineup. There's
Speaker 1: not as many women doing stand up comedy as I
Speaker 1: thought there would be. Can I just say that I
Speaker 1: thought there was like a boom I felt with Sarah Silverman.
Speaker 1: She got a lot of us into it. It's like
Speaker 1: my entire class of female comics that you know of
Speaker 1: now we're all inspired by Sarah. There's Janine. There's a
Speaker 1: class of Janine Garoffalos. There's a class of people that
Speaker 1: were inspired by Well. Then that's pretty much it, but
Speaker 1: Schumer and then me. But it's still not a lot.
Speaker 1: Like I was complaining to my friend who owns the club,
Speaker 1: I go, when are you gonna have some women on
Speaker 1: your show? Because I see clips of like who performs
Speaker 1: there and there's like no women, And I'm like, this
Speaker 1: place is making a choice not to put women up,
Speaker 1: and he goes, there's no women doing comedy in town,
Speaker 1: like we put them up, and I don't want you
Speaker 1: to just put up any woman. This is the problem,
Speaker 1: is like sometime any of them we need, Yeah, like
Speaker 1: because you gotta be good at comedy. And this is
Speaker 1: the problem is why a lot of times, because there's
Speaker 1: so few women, comedy clubs will do the right thing
Speaker 1: and put women up, and they're not good because they'll
Speaker 1: just take anyone. Oh, she's been doing comedy for two days,
Speaker 1: but she's a comic, so let's put her up. And
Speaker 1: then audiences see this woman on a show with a
Speaker 1: bunch of other dudes who are well ahead of her
Speaker 1: based on the amount of time they've been doing it.
Speaker 1: And they're men, so they're naturally funnier. That was a
Speaker 1: joke I'm seeing if you're listening. And then she does poorly,
Speaker 1: and then what does the audience think when they leave?
Speaker 1: Women aren't funny because they're putting her on the same
Speaker 1: level as all the men they just saw. So it's
Speaker 1: it's this weird thing of like, don't put women up
Speaker 1: before they're ready, but also like why aren't women doing
Speaker 1: more comedy? I still don't get it. I still maintain
Speaker 1: that women aren't encouraged to be funny as youths because
Speaker 1: women are supposed to be dainty and delicate and pretty
Speaker 1: and clean and cute and boys humor is all rooted
Speaker 1: in farts and dirt and frogs and poop and like
Speaker 1: those are the favorite words of every kid. Based on
Speaker 1: my niece and nephew, I've just found it here, you
Speaker 1: loved it, and now all the girls are I think
Speaker 1: joke about that.
Speaker 4: Stuff open mics and early and road clubs.
Speaker 3: That's still a boys club.
Speaker 4: I mean you you if you're a woman starting out
Speaker 4: doing comedy and you're going to open mics, I mean,
Speaker 4: there's gonna be eighty percent ninety percent men at these
Speaker 4: open mics, and there most of them are probably don't
Speaker 4: feel very welcome and are not treated well for it.
Speaker 1: No sorry, I mean I listen. I don't want to
Speaker 1: say get over it. That's that's going to be clipped
Speaker 1: and it's going to be like, she doesn't understand we
Speaker 1: all get raped every day. But that was my favorite
Speaker 1: Schumer joke used to be like people always ask me
Speaker 1: what's the hardest part about being a female stand up?
Speaker 1: And I always tell them the rape.
Speaker 3: And it's.
Speaker 1: It's I don't I never had a hard time as
Speaker 1: a woman because I had no other experience doing comedy,
Speaker 1: so I can't compare it to what it would be
Speaker 1: like to be a man. There's one comedian I met
Speaker 1: who's one of the most famous comedians working who when
Speaker 1: I went up to him as he was talking to
Speaker 1: a bunch of young comedian boys and having a grand
Speaker 1: old time, I walked up. I was the headliner of
Speaker 1: the club. He was just in town hanging out because
Speaker 1: he had done like a huge theater down the street,
Speaker 1: and I was at the club and he came in
Speaker 1: to watch my headlining set. So after my set, I
Speaker 1: go to my green room and then I come back
Speaker 1: down to the bar where he's like holding court with
Speaker 1: all these young comic guys that are just like hanging
Speaker 1: on his every word because he is arguably one of
Speaker 1: the goats of comedy. And I walked up and they
Speaker 1: were continuing to talk about whatever they were talking about,
Speaker 1: and one of them said like fuck or something, and
Speaker 1: he goes, hey, hey, not around the lady. He like
Speaker 1: quieted the guy, and I'm like, did you just hear
Speaker 1: my act? So all of a sudden, it was like
Speaker 1: he couldn't. The dynamic completely changed and we weren't allowed
Speaker 1: to talk dirty anymore. We weren't allowed to talk like boys.
Speaker 1: We had to talk like everyone just got awkward because
Speaker 1: I was there, and so I excuse myself because I
Speaker 1: was like, I don't want to ruin this fun whiskey
Speaker 1: drinking time with the guys. That was like, I've been
Speaker 1: very lucky.
Speaker 2: Then.
Speaker 1: That was like the only time where I felt like, Wow,
Speaker 1: no one wants me around because I'm a girl. Otherwise,
Speaker 1: being the only girl on a comedy scene was pretty
Speaker 1: nice and I didn't get pawed at. I wasn't like
Speaker 1: sexual like maybe I was sexualized like when I wasn't around,
Speaker 1: but it didn't happen in front of me that often.
Speaker 1: There was a gross club owner who used to be like,
Speaker 1: say I was hot and then say gross things, but
Speaker 1: I just kind of like it wasn't I wasn't like
Speaker 1: scared to I don't know, I just kind of don't
Speaker 1: buy into this whole thing of like it's a boys
Speaker 1: club and we're not allowed. But maybe female comics need
Speaker 1: to write to me and enlighten me of what they're
Speaker 1: dealing with now, because it's might have changed, it might
Speaker 1: have gotten worse, or I might have just which is
Speaker 1: what I say all the time about why I've never
Speaker 1: been in a relationship where I got hit, Why I've
Speaker 1: never been molested. It's not because I was like faster
Speaker 1: than you or I picked better people than you, Like
Speaker 1: I just got lucky. So I could have just always
Speaker 1: been hanging around certain comedy clubs where I just got lucky,
Speaker 1: you know, like I walked down alleyways where I didn't
Speaker 1: get raped. But then I would be like, alleyways are fine.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, you just picked a good one on
Speaker 1: a good night, the night you could have been raped
Speaker 1: on that.
Speaker 2: Injustices though that happened, that are maybe more uh invisible,
Speaker 2: Like what you just described is an injustice. Like let's
Speaker 2: not talk, you know, let's let's be different around.
Speaker 1: Yea, but who fucking who? Like Also, what about how.
Speaker 3: Much you were paid?
Speaker 2: Do you know if you were paid equally?
Speaker 1: No, but I'm getting paid fucking more than anyone now,
Speaker 1: like it just I don't know, I wasn't we're all
Speaker 1: paid in equally. Is anyone really transparent about pay? I'm
Speaker 1: sure I got slighted on things, but I will say
Speaker 1: that being a funny woman, I'm not in the I'm
Speaker 1: I know this is not going to be popular with
Speaker 1: female comics who are struggling to make it and like
Speaker 1: to lean on the fact that they're a woman is
Speaker 1: the reason they're not successful, whereas I would say it's
Speaker 1: probably a mixture of that and the fact that you're
Speaker 1: not maybe not as funny as other women or other men,
Speaker 1: and that's just because you weren't born with being funny
Speaker 1: enough or like, it's not like your fault, it's not
Speaker 1: like your bad person. But I think that it's so
Speaker 1: quick to be like I've seen so many female comics
Speaker 1: claim because I'm a woman, and I'm like, but I
Speaker 1: haven't laughed at anything you've ever said. Can we talk
Speaker 1: about that? But you can't talk about that because it
Speaker 1: has to be blamed on this as a boys club,
Speaker 1: which it is, by the way, there's no doubt about it.
Speaker 1: But I would like to say that I think I've
Speaker 1: benefited from being a woman. When I get asked these
Speaker 1: questions about how hard is it to be a female comic,
Speaker 1: I'm like, well, I'm the only one in the scene,
Speaker 1: so and everyone thinks female comics are shit so if
Speaker 1: you're kind of funny, people are like, wow, oh holy fuck,
Speaker 1: let's headline her before she's ready. Like, I think I've
Speaker 1: been afforded opportunities that I know I have. I got
Speaker 1: asked to be on Last Comic Standing when I was
Speaker 1: two years into comedy. Did I deserve that? Fuck?
Speaker 4: No?
Speaker 1: Did I get it because I was a girl? Yes?
Speaker 1: So if I I were female comic listening to this,
Speaker 1: I'd be pissed at me. Probably, So I understand your
Speaker 1: ire if it's directed towards me. Well, you're not saying
Speaker 1: probably this is all feel my luck. No, it's definitely not.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying I've had advantages for being a woman,
Speaker 1: and I've had disadvantages, And the bottom line is, it's
Speaker 1: just it's not fair. Not everything is fair. Why does
Speaker 1: everything have to be fair? Like life isn't fair? Like
Speaker 1: it's not fair that I had good parents that were like,
Speaker 1: you should try comedy. We'll give you money to pay
Speaker 1: your rent while you pursue this dream. That isn't fair
Speaker 1: to someone who's like I have to work three jobs
Speaker 1: to even be able to afford to do open mics
Speaker 1: at night. It's not because you can't be mad at me.
Speaker 1: If you were born with my family, that would be
Speaker 1: your lot too. It's just I got born in a
Speaker 1: different body, with a different family. It's just everything's not fair.
Speaker 1: But that doesn't mean that we shouldn't hear you and go, okay,
Speaker 1: let's create a fun for struggling comics. Or that doesn't
Speaker 1: mean that I don't pay my openers a little bit
Speaker 1: extra when I know that they'd come from a family
Speaker 1: like that, Like, we have to account for those things.
Speaker 1: But life isn't fair. And believe me, I cry about
Speaker 1: it all the time. I have my things that I'm like,
Speaker 1: why wasn't I born with that thing? I'm plagued by
Speaker 1: why does she get that? Why does he get that?
Speaker 1: And I don't? And the bottom line is is because
Speaker 1: life isn't fair, and not everyone gets everything they want
Speaker 1: except Rachel Ziggler, and even she's getting taken it away
Speaker 1: right now. But I bet that girl did not come
Speaker 1: up against a lot of you know, like, oh, this weekend, okay,
Speaker 1: we have to go to break. But I have an actual,
Speaker 1: perfect example of this.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back.
Speaker 1: This weekend. I was watching a clip of I guess
Speaker 1: the casting director of American Horror Story or something like that,
Speaker 1: and it popped up on my Instagram and he was
Speaker 1: talking about Margot Robbie auditioning for American Horror Story. I
Speaker 1: guess before we knew her as Margot Robbie. I guess
Speaker 1: that show's been on forever. And he said she had
Speaker 1: the best audition he'd ever seen, but she didn't get cast. Okay,
Speaker 1: hold on, let's go back. Do you think he'd be
Speaker 1: talking about this random girl who auditioned in two thousand
Speaker 1: and seven she wasn't Margot Robbie now, And do you
Speaker 1: think he'd be just wistfully talking about how she had
Speaker 1: the best audition he's ever seen, and he thought, we
Speaker 1: don't have a place for her, but she needs to
Speaker 1: find a place somewhere in this world. No, this is
Speaker 1: all things you think retrospectively, because you know you missed
Speaker 1: out on having someone who is the biggest star in
Speaker 1: the world right now in the biggest money making movie
Speaker 1: Warner Brothers has ever made, and you're embarrassed you didn't
Speaker 1: cast her. But you also want to be a part
Speaker 1: of her narrative. You want to put your name in there.
Speaker 1: She's a part of the American Horror Story story. You know,
Speaker 1: and yes. And also it made me happy because Margot
Speaker 1: Robbie had a bad day once. Margot Robbie got so
Speaker 1: close on her role. You guys, a thing she wanted
Speaker 1: so badly, a thing we can all relate to. A
Speaker 1: guy want a job, you want a dog, you think
Speaker 1: you're gonna get a fucking house's apartment, you think you're
Speaker 1: gonna get and it got She got a call one day.
Speaker 1: Margot rob was like, yes, oh really, okay, yo, that's okay,
Speaker 1: all right, thank you so much. And then she put
Speaker 1: on the phone and she cried. Margot Robbie one day
Speaker 1: had a bad day, and that made me feel so good.
Speaker 1: She hasn't gotten everything in light that she's wanted. We
Speaker 1: all don't get everything we want. But then someone will
Speaker 1: spend the story later on to make you feel better
Speaker 1: about the thing you lost out on if you end
Speaker 1: up being a huge superstar, because now she can be like, oh,
Speaker 1: they thought I was the best actress in the world.
Speaker 1: Guaranteed they didn't say that to her in the room.
Speaker 1: Guaranteed she got no feedback on it. Besides the fact
Speaker 1: that she didn't get it, or she probably never even
Speaker 1: heard she didn't get it, she probably just saw the
Speaker 1: TV show that she auditioned for and someone else was
Speaker 1: in the role that she thought she was gonna get
Speaker 1: and was still waiting to hear back on, which is
Speaker 1: how most people find out in this town that they
Speaker 1: didn't get something.
Speaker 4: There should be a website called bad days dot com
Speaker 4: or a book called bad Days where you just have successful.
Speaker 3: People Tom Brady.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like telling a story about how they failed
Speaker 4: or what went wrong to make people like it could
Speaker 4: be a tumbler.
Speaker 1: Even what's the worst news you guys have ever gotten
Speaker 1: career wise?
Speaker 3: Career wise? I mean, my career is the string of
Speaker 3: bad news.
Speaker 1: Okay, so last week, Brian, last week.
Speaker 3: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I mean I I definitely had both of my reps
Speaker 4: retired and randomly at a young age. There's plenty of
Speaker 4: stuff that I pitched and I didn't get at. Yeah,
Speaker 4: there's shows that I didn't get. There's festivals I was
Speaker 4: rejected to, people said I wasn't funny.
Speaker 3: There's all sorts of things. I mean, it's like every
Speaker 3: day and then just bombing.
Speaker 4: You know, it's constant bombing on stage, and you know
Speaker 4: everyone's telling me to quit comedy, and I don't derstand
Speaker 4: why you're still trying?
Speaker 1: And now, who's everyone a lie?
Speaker 3: Because I'm exaggerating a little bit. No, No, but it is.
Speaker 3: I mean like, I feel like I have.
Speaker 4: Failed much more than I've succeeded, but my successes have
Speaker 4: But I just keep trying because I'm a straight white man,
Speaker 4: and I feel like i'd.
Speaker 3: Be nervous.
Speaker 1: Mine have been. I thought I was going to get
Speaker 1: a Kevin Smith's show that I was going to be
Speaker 1: a co host on. I was one of like three
Speaker 1: girls considered for it, and I was like, you know,
Speaker 1: it seemed like it was going to happen. I signed
Speaker 1: a contract that in the first year of making this
Speaker 1: show that would be a syndicated show on all like channels.
Speaker 1: This was in two thousand and ten or eleven. It
Speaker 1: was going to be a half a million dollars in
Speaker 1: one year. And at the time, I didn't even own
Speaker 1: a computer. I couldn't I couldn't get a laptop because
Speaker 1: I had no money. And I was like, this is
Speaker 1: going to change my life. And I got wasted the
Speaker 1: night before the audition because I was so nervous and
Speaker 1: because I was hanging out with a boy I really like,
Speaker 1: and I just wanted to keep hanging out with them.
Speaker 1: So I got fucking wasted. I woke up the next
Speaker 1: day I had no voice. I did this audition, which
Speaker 1: was an hour long podcast taping audition, and I bombed
Speaker 1: because I literally like sounded like this, like I had
Speaker 1: no books because I was like drinking the night before,
Speaker 1: like terrible. So I look back on that though, and
Speaker 1: I'm like, thank god that happened. I submitted so many
Speaker 1: packets to write for the Jimmy Fallon Show and would
Speaker 1: write these amazing packets and go, there's no way I'm
Speaker 1: not going to get this. These jokes are some of
Speaker 1: the best jokes I've ever written or ever seen written.
Speaker 1: I'm like so proud of myself and didn't get that job.
Speaker 1: Thank fucking crist I didn't get a writing job. I'm
Speaker 1: so great. Shout out to people who do writing jobs,
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. I would have. I would have
Speaker 1: festered away inside a writer's room. I would have gotten
Speaker 1: stuck there. If I would have been good at it,
Speaker 1: I would have been stuck there. I'd still be there
Speaker 1: and it would be a great job and I'd have
Speaker 1: lots of money. But I would feel very unpathific because
Speaker 1: I don't I don't think that I could be fulfilled
Speaker 1: writing jokes for people and possibly having them say it
Speaker 1: the wrong way that I wanted them to say it,
Speaker 1: which you know, Brian writes jokes for me a lot
Speaker 1: of times, and I can only imagine, like when you
Speaker 1: write a joke and I just like fuck up the delivery,
Speaker 1: Like what a crushing blow that is, Like I couldn't
Speaker 1: handle that. So I'm so glad I didn't get that job.
Speaker 1: And then there I have It's it's oh, there was
Speaker 1: something just recently that I really wanted so badly and
Speaker 1: it didn't.
Speaker 2: Oh.
Speaker 1: I was going to host f Boy Island in Australia.
Speaker 1: We had drawn up the contracts. I was going to
Speaker 1: go to Australia to live for like two months and
Speaker 1: shoot this show, to live in Australia for two months
Speaker 1: and to have a presence down there, which may make
Speaker 1: it so I could live there someday and like make money,
Speaker 1: you know, hosting something. You know, Chris loves Australia. We
Speaker 1: both have friends there. I was like, oh, I could
Speaker 1: like retire in Australia if I kick off my career there.
Speaker 1: And everything was set to go, and the last second
Speaker 1: they were like they went with an Aussie to host
Speaker 1: it and it was such a bummer. And that was
Speaker 1: a recent one, and there's been other things too recently
Speaker 1: that just fall through, and you know, it's just you
Speaker 1: don't get everything you want. And men, the amount of
Speaker 1: men I have liked that didn't like.
Speaker 3: Me back.
Speaker 1: Is innumerable. You guys, infinitely, so many guys. Chris is
Speaker 1: one success story of a guy that I loved desperately
Speaker 1: that ended up working out. But there was most of
Speaker 1: the time I did not get the right man that
Speaker 1: I wanted. Me moving in with my parents during COVID embarrassing,
Speaker 1: I'm thirty five, Why don't I have anywhere else to go? Like,
Speaker 1: there's just there's been so many I've recently gained five pounds.
Speaker 1: I am very upset about it because I am currently
Speaker 1: in the middle of making something where the whole wardrobe
Speaker 1: was set five pounds ago and things were tailored to
Speaker 1: my body five pounds ago. And I know five pounds
Speaker 1: doesn't sound like a lot, but it is when everything
Speaker 1: you're wearing is skin tight and then you put it
Speaker 1: on and it doesn't fit, and now we have to
Speaker 1: make we have to the other day, she was like
Speaker 1: you're wearing this tonight, and I go, the fuck I
Speaker 1: am That's something I'm supposed to wear when I'm dehydrated
Speaker 1: for three days, Like, I'm not wearing that tonight. And
Speaker 1: we had just scrambled to find something else because my
Speaker 1: body was not you know, playing, it was not playing
Speaker 1: along that day. It's betraying me lately. So we just
Speaker 1: sometimes you just don't get what you want and it sucks. Anya.
Speaker 2: I was on the short list after two callbacks for
Speaker 2: the Ellen DeGeneres show. I was going to be her sidekick,
Speaker 2: and I was down to me and three other guys,
Speaker 2: and oh my god, I was in many and I
Speaker 2: was actually not devastated.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it was before I knew a bullet you
Speaker 1: dodged there.
Speaker 4: I know.
Speaker 1: I mean, it would have been good for your career,
Speaker 1: but we all know what happened to the person that
Speaker 1: did get that job. Rest in peace. So maybe not
Speaker 1: the best mental thing, not saying that that contributed to
Speaker 1: it at all, but also we also know about that
Speaker 1: workplace environment. Yeah, maybe not the best.
Speaker 2: I remember knowing like, I'll be fine if I don't
Speaker 2: get this, But the money was I don't even remember
Speaker 2: if the money was crazy because I was like an unknown.
Speaker 2: But yeah, I remember thinking like this would be huge
Speaker 2: if I was on TV like four or five days
Speaker 2: a week or whatever it is. But I remember not
Speaker 2: really wanting it. So when I when I like, I
Speaker 2: was like, I don't think I'm qualified like they wanted
Speaker 2: me to be.
Speaker 1: You would be like over there, like acting like you
Speaker 1: were like pressing the music and like what up, Ballan,
Speaker 1: did you do what?
Speaker 4: They?
Speaker 1: Would you do a thing with her? A chemistry test?
Speaker 2: Not a chemistry test. No, it was just down to
Speaker 2: four of us and then the next round was going
Speaker 2: to be that I think, but they were like, gotch,
Speaker 2: we love you. We think it sounds like you're like
Speaker 2: on the verge of really killing it in music, and
Speaker 2: we like, we'd almost want you to be like a
Speaker 2: writer on the show because you're so funny and you're personable.
Speaker 1: But I was very open with them.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm not a DJ, Like I'm a radio DJ,
Speaker 2: I'm not a spin like this, we.
Speaker 1: Don't need you to do this is a track that
Speaker 1: you're pressing play honey, I know, but it didn't work out,
Speaker 1: But I was kind of crushed. I was like a
Speaker 1: finalist on this God this was oh well.
Speaker 2: One of my major blows was when my record label
Speaker 2: started to go under and like let go of their artists,
Speaker 2: and I kind of knew that I shouldn't take it personally,
Speaker 2: but it was so crushing because it was just such
Speaker 2: a great place to be because they were single handedly
Speaker 2: responsible for getting my songs in so many films and
Speaker 2: TV shows, So I knew that that change, even though
Speaker 2: it had to happen for that label, I was just like, ah,
Speaker 2: this is going to be harder to really get out there.
Speaker 2: My manager left me, which was fine in the moment,
Speaker 2: but I remember just being later on like this sucks,
Speaker 2: like having to find a new manager as hard and
Speaker 2: I have not. I've just been managing myself. There was
Speaker 2: some dumb kit Kat commercial. I was like, not going
Speaker 2: to ever release this song, but I tried multiple times
Speaker 2: and they were like, we love it and there's always
Speaker 2: such great money and ads, and I probably really needed
Speaker 2: it at the time, and it was just like so
Speaker 2: devastating that I didn't get I was like, God, damn it.
Speaker 2: But now I look back on all those things and
Speaker 2: I'm like thank God, Like I wouldn't want any of
Speaker 2: those things.
Speaker 4: Maybe the label it's interesting that you guys are both
Speaker 4: like thank God, because I definitely am full of regret
Speaker 4: that I am not thank goding for. But I do
Speaker 4: want to I do want to respond to you know,
Speaker 4: the writing jokes. It's like, I love writing for other people.
Speaker 4: And because I don't want to be on camera delivering
Speaker 4: the stuff, I don't want to be the star. I'd
Speaker 4: much rather give somebody material and then watch them succeed
Speaker 4: with that material, and I'll take pride.
Speaker 1: But you weren't always like that. We've talked about this.
Speaker 1: You weren't always like that, right, Well, yeah.
Speaker 4: Back in like high school and college, I was different.
Speaker 4: But yeah, there's two there are two instances that spring
Speaker 4: to mind that I am full of regret at over
Speaker 4: and not. They're a bad thing happened, and I'm not
Speaker 4: saying thank God about it. I am saying, well, it's
Speaker 4: a different feeling to be like, well, that was a mistake.
Speaker 3: I know it was a mistake.
Speaker 4: I fucked up, and now I just have to come
Speaker 4: to terms with that because I still really would have
Speaker 4: wanted that thing.
Speaker 3: So one of them was twenty fourteen.
Speaker 4: I was I was submitting packets, like hundreds of packets,
Speaker 4: and I submitted a packet to The Daily Show, and
Speaker 4: this would be the first year that Trevor Noah was
Speaker 4: hosting the Daily Show, and I was that this was
Speaker 4: my dream job to write for the Daily Show.
Speaker 3: I had been writing political material.
Speaker 4: I had a political sketch show that was running weekly
Speaker 4: at an improv theater in New York. And I had
Speaker 4: a political blog where I would just like write satirical articles.
Speaker 4: It was called Nothing as Good dot com and I'd
Speaker 4: write satirical political articles. And so I was just prepping
Speaker 4: for the Daily Show for like the last like four
Speaker 4: or five years, and I finally got to smitted packet.
Speaker 3: Packets are blind submissions, and.
Speaker 4: Somehow my packet got accepted, and now I was brought
Speaker 4: into the second round. So the first round there's probably
Speaker 4: like over a thousand submissions, and then the second round
Speaker 4: is probably narrowed down to like fifty. The second round
Speaker 4: is like a twenty four hour period where you have
Speaker 4: to turn around a second packet in like twenty four
Speaker 4: hours based on current events that are happening that day.
Speaker 4: I turned around the packet, I submitted it, and I
Speaker 4: got called in for an interview. I learned that it
Speaker 4: was down to two people, me and another guy and
Speaker 4: the other guy is a guy I happened to know
Speaker 4: who is now my arch nemesis.
Speaker 1: But I.
Speaker 3: Went for many reasons. But I think I already told
Speaker 3: this story on the show.
Speaker 4: But I did the interview, and you know, Trevor Now
Speaker 4: and all the EPs were there and they said, you know,
Speaker 4: it's a thousand submissions and it's just you and another guy.
Speaker 4: And I was like, oh my god, and uh, I
Speaker 4: just had a bad interview and they didn't take me.
Speaker 1: And I wasn't what did you do during the interview?
Speaker 1: Why was it bab were you yourself? I could see
Speaker 1: them being like, this is done. It was a thousand
Speaker 1: and that it was on to two and you're you
Speaker 1: eat this is Brian.
Speaker 2: Wow.
Speaker 1: Like they they wanted you to go like, oh my god,
Speaker 1: and you were just like cool and they're like, you know,
Speaker 1: this guy's look doesn't seem exciting, like that.
Speaker 4: Final thought, Yeah, I mean something like that. I mean,
Speaker 4: I don't know if I'm a hat to say so,
Speaker 4: like maybe that's for intrusive thoughts. It's like why did
Speaker 4: I not get this job? But I know why I
Speaker 4: didn't get the job. I was told later, many years later,
Speaker 4: why I didn't get it.
Speaker 3: I didn't get the job, and I.
Speaker 4: Was like it he said, oh, the person who got
Speaker 4: the job like wasn't a stand up and didn't really
Speaker 4: write anything before, and uh, like, I just didn't understand
Speaker 4: how it was even possible.
Speaker 3: And it sattered my conception of.
Speaker 4: Like comedy and like actually doing hard work because I
Speaker 4: had been working towards this goal for five full years,
Speaker 4: doing all the things you need to do. I did
Speaker 4: stand up, I did the political blog, I did a
Speaker 4: political sketch show. I got the interview, like, I got
Speaker 4: past the threshold and then I went in for the
Speaker 4: interview and it didn't matter and I didn't get it
Speaker 4: and I never had a chance to get it again.
Speaker 1: And were you wearing your fanny pack?
Speaker 3: No, that was a pre Fanni pack crying.
Speaker 4: Okay, what it did wind up doing is I wound
Speaker 4: up switching away from politics and I started making cartoons
Speaker 4: after that point. So for that instance, it was good,
Speaker 4: but I was like, my whole conception of comedy was
Speaker 4: shattered at that point. So cut to the future, another
Speaker 4: job interview. There is a show called Lower Decks, which
Speaker 4: is an animated Star Trek show that was created by
Speaker 4: the people who made Rickard Morty, and it's an animated show.
Speaker 4: It already came out. I think it's already been canceled.
Speaker 4: I'm not one hundred percent sure. But this was a
Speaker 4: huge deal for me because now I'm in, like, I'm
Speaker 4: trying to make cartoons. That was but I had been
Speaker 4: doing for the last now eight years, longer than I
Speaker 4: had been trying to do politics. I had been doing
Speaker 4: cartoon stuff and this was the people who made Rick
Speaker 4: and Morty like the best cartoon ever made, and.
Speaker 3: I was getting to maybe enter into that world.
Speaker 4: It was a Star Trek spinoff, and I did my
Speaker 4: first interview with the Rick and Morty people and they
Speaker 4: really liked me, and I was like, oh, this is great.
Speaker 4: And they had me come in for a second interview
Speaker 4: with the Star Trek people, and for some dumb fucking reason, Okay,
Speaker 4: I don't know what the fuck I was thinking, the
Speaker 4: Star Trek people asked me, so, what is your favorite
Speaker 4: Star Trek movie or show? And I said, well, you know,
Speaker 4: I watched First Contact with my dad, and my dad
Speaker 4: watched The Next Generation a lot, But to be honest,
Speaker 4: like I haven't seen a lot of Star Trek.
Speaker 3: Is that true, that's true. I haven't seen a lot
Speaker 3: of Star Trek.
Speaker 4: I was being honest, but like they were like, Okay,
Speaker 4: you know this is a Star Trek series in the
Speaker 4: Star Trek.
Speaker 1: You like binge Star Trek before going into this, because.
Speaker 4: It's impossible because there is thousands and thousands of hours.
Speaker 2: Fuck cares. Why were they mad about that?
Speaker 1: Like, because it's a Star Trek show.
Speaker 3: I had to star set in the Star Trek universe,
Speaker 3: and I.
Speaker 1: Was supposed to be writing some that was gonna be
Speaker 1: like listenable outside of the narrative of Twilight. He has
Speaker 1: to write for a Star Trek show.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got really awkward after that.
Speaker 1: You could catch up.
Speaker 3: I got really awkward after that.
Speaker 4: I fucked up the interview after that, and I said,
Speaker 4: but I but I swear if I get this job,
Speaker 4: I will sit down and I will watch every Star
Speaker 4: Trek there is. And they said, I don't think you're
Speaker 4: gonna have time for that. And so I didn't get
Speaker 4: that job either, And I was just like, I was like,
Speaker 4: why was I Why didn't I Just because.
Speaker 1: You're an honest guy and it's good not to lie.
Speaker 1: But yeah, but that's there's I told, uh, Francis Ford
Speaker 1: Coppola that I had never seen what was the movie
Speaker 1: that he wanted me to do during my audition? And
Speaker 1: I go, oh, Hamlet, that I had never seen Hamlet
Speaker 1: or heard of it, or like, I've heard of it,
Speaker 1: but I didn't know what. He was like, do this
Speaker 1: do this speech in the style of Hamlet, and I go,
Speaker 1: I don't know what that means. And he's like, well,
Speaker 1: you're at the grave of you're talking to someone who died.
Speaker 1: I was just like, well, then, why didn't you just
Speaker 1: say that? Like so, I also had to be honest,
Speaker 1: and i'd never seen any of the Godfathers. I didn't
Speaker 1: tell him that, but I hadn't, and I was ready
Speaker 1: to be honest about that if I hadn't, because that
Speaker 1: should be if that matters to them. Like when I
Speaker 1: meet someone and they're like, I'm sorry, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: if I brought it someone in for an interview to
Speaker 1: work on a show that I was doing, and they said,
Speaker 1: and I go, and someone I would never ask this,
Speaker 1: but if someone asked, what are you familiar with of
Speaker 1: Nicky's and they said, I watched you know, Perfect with
Speaker 1: my dad, and then I've seen a little bit of
Speaker 1: bang In just from clips, But honest, I haven't seen
Speaker 1: but I will watch everything if I get the job.
Speaker 1: I'd be okay with that because I don't think everyone
Speaker 1: should see everything that I did.
Speaker 3: This is a different monster.
Speaker 4: This is like there are there are Trekky's who will
Speaker 4: annihilate you if you get something wrong. This is a
Speaker 4: whole universe that I was trying, Like, I'm trying to
Speaker 4: enter into this universe.
Speaker 1: So you knew going into this? Had you when you
Speaker 1: parked your car that day to go in there? Did
Speaker 1: you have in your mind they're gonna ask me about
Speaker 1: my knowledge of Star trek Let me just be honest
Speaker 1: with them. Did you have a plan going in or
Speaker 1: did the do re hoping that question would come up?
Speaker 1: Like did you plan to tell them the truth?
Speaker 4: I was dealing with my new car problem that I
Speaker 4: was having where I couldn't think really, and so I
Speaker 4: was I was already going in on a If you.
Speaker 1: Guys don't know, Brian had a new car that had
Speaker 1: a weird smell going on in it and it was.
Speaker 3: Getting him what it was just a regular new car smell.
Speaker 1: Okay, So Brian was having anxieties in his life that
Speaker 1: his body took and made into smells all randomly.
Speaker 3: Sensitivity.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's called multiple chemical sensitivities. So if you're someone
Speaker 1: out there who if you smell certain things and they
Speaker 1: give you insane migraines and you can't function, you can't
Speaker 1: like leave your house anymore because someone might be like
Speaker 1: doing their laundry and you might smell it and it
Speaker 1: will give you a was it migraine? What other stuff
Speaker 1: did you get from it?
Speaker 3: Brain fog?
Speaker 4: Mostly, it was like brain fog and fatigue and depression
Speaker 4: and just like, yeah, if I like smelled a dryer exhaust, like,
Speaker 4: I like there was a time when I came became
Speaker 4: so sensitive to it that I could tell whenever somebody
Speaker 4: in my neighborhood was doing laundry right like blocks away, I'd.
Speaker 3: Be like, somebody in this town is drying something.
Speaker 1: And it turned out it was all in his head,
Speaker 1: not in a way that he's crazy, but like that's
Speaker 1: where his anxiety decided to put itself so that it
Speaker 1: would like have a reason for being. So Brian was
Speaker 1: on this mad hunt to like eliminate these smells from
Speaker 1: his life, avoid these smells, and it made him a
Speaker 1: wreck less and it made his life fucking unmanageable and miserable,
Speaker 1: and the whole time it was really about anxiety.
Speaker 4: And then how did you treat it, Brian, Well, there's
Speaker 4: a there's a What finally wound up curing it was
Speaker 4: I did a DNRS, which is the dynamic neural retraining system,
Speaker 4: which is the only thing that actually helped, which is
Speaker 4: very similar to doctor Starno's philosophy of TMS.
Speaker 3: But this is exactly when I was doing.
Speaker 4: I was at the peak of my multiple chemical sensitivities
Speaker 4: when I was going in for this Lower Decks interview
Speaker 4: and I was drove the new car there.
Speaker 1: I don't think people who would make Star Trek stuff
Speaker 1: don't do their laundry.
Speaker 4: I was, so I was already feeling like, I can't
Speaker 4: think this is going to be bad, but I need
Speaker 4: to just like you know, fight through it. And then
Speaker 4: I went in and I was like a little awkward,
Speaker 4: and then the Star Trek thing threw me off. And
Speaker 4: so looking back on that interview, I don't feel thank God,
Speaker 4: thank god I didn't get it, because if I if
Speaker 4: I got that, I wouldn't have done that because there
Speaker 4: is nothing that I would have gotten or that I
Speaker 4: missed out on by getting that job.
Speaker 1: Like I don't know, you don't know, you could have
Speaker 1: gone a terrible boss that you don't know. And by
Speaker 1: the way, I just want to work right now.
Speaker 2: I just want to measure Kung full circle Rachel Ziegler
Speaker 2: on this ship you got Ziegler. Ziegler didn't have enough
Speaker 2: respect because she didn't have enough respect for snow White,
Speaker 2: and now people hate her and you didn't get the
Speaker 2: job because you didn't have enough respect.
Speaker 4: Well, that's the difference. I didn't get the job. They
Speaker 4: did the right thing, They did their research.
Speaker 1: They don't ask her about snow White, which I'm guessing
Speaker 1: if they did, she lied through her teeth.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 1: Multiple time, I loved it.
Speaker 3: That's what she did.
Speaker 4: She's smarter than me, because I should have gone to
Speaker 4: the interview wearing a fucking spock t shirt going like
Speaker 4: live long.
Speaker 1: And prosper little glasses.
Speaker 3: This would be a dream for me.
Speaker 4: I've watched every episode of Star Trek since I was
Speaker 4: a little boy, and all I want to do is
Speaker 4: right for Star Trek. It's my It's been my dream
Speaker 4: ever since I was a kid, and I'm so excited
Speaker 4: to be here with you Star Trek Voyager people.
Speaker 3: Instead, I was like, nah, I've never seen it?
Speaker 2: What is it?
Speaker 1: Who I would have gotten you in hot water? I
Speaker 1: hate when there's time. The times that I will sometimes
Speaker 1: catch myself lying and I don't want to because I
Speaker 1: hate lying. Is when someone goes like have you seen it?
Speaker 1: Like they just quickly will be like a movie like.
Speaker 1: I almost say yes because I don't feel like them
Speaker 1: explaining it to me, like it's not me trying to
Speaker 1: be like like me. I just like don't want them
Speaker 1: to have to go into what it is. So I
Speaker 1: just want the conversation to be over. So I go yeah,
Speaker 1: And then I'm like, fuck, why did I do that?
Speaker 1: Because then there's this conversation is not over now it's.
Speaker 4: What do I could test me, test me. You'll be
Speaker 4: the interviewer and I'll show you how it's done.
Speaker 1: Okay. Have you seen the Ed Burns movie Newlyweds?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 3: I love that movie. It's you did it?
Speaker 4: God like it so amazing.
Speaker 3: Oh well you know, well, you're you're creating the show.
Speaker 1: Who is your favorite character?
Speaker 3: I mean too many to account, too many to count.
Speaker 1: Four I think actually four main characters, which are the four.
Speaker 3: Which are the four Susan so the oh. I loved her.
Speaker 3: Her performance was so amazing. I don't remember your name.
Speaker 4: I just love I just well, I just love how
Speaker 4: real it was, you know, and it really it really
Speaker 4: made me feel seen when I watched that movie, because
Speaker 4: you know, I'm a person who deals with you know,
Speaker 4: love and things like that, and I've had my share
Speaker 4: of heartbreak in the past, especially when it comes to
Speaker 4: times like you know, when when it gets really high stakes,
Speaker 4: when you're gonna get married or you do get married,
Speaker 4: and I'm worried because I'm not you know, I'm a
Speaker 4: person who just got married, and like seeing her what
Speaker 4: she went through.
Speaker 1: Were you satisfied with the ending?
Speaker 4: You know? Yeah, I was pretty satisfied with it, I guess.
Speaker 4: I mean, uh uh, There's a couple of things I
Speaker 4: would have done differently, maybe, but I mean, how could you?
Speaker 3: How could you?
Speaker 1: I will say with the character reminded me so much
Speaker 1: of your wife ally, So.
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, I didn't really I didn't make that connection.
Speaker 4: But I mean, I guess if you did, then you
Speaker 4: could tell.
Speaker 1: Me why why is his sister not her sister?
Speaker 3: I want to be why is that?
Speaker 2: Why?
Speaker 1: Why is that she was like beautiful. She was beautiful
Speaker 1: and young, and she like has the same like face
Speaker 1: shape and like body shape and like care.
Speaker 3: Yes, now I see what you're saying.
Speaker 1: Yes, well, I'm satisfied with this ending. Thank you guys
Speaker 1: for listening to the show today. We worked out a lot.
Speaker 1: We will be here tomorrow, don't Beka and did digit
Speaker 1: just lie? In interviews,