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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from coast to coast AM on iHeartRadio.

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Speaker 2: Chicago has quietly become the world's hotspot for winged humanoid sightings.

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Speaker 2: Why there any thoughts?

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Speaker 3: Well, the first unusual characteristic about this, this phenomenon in

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Speaker 3: an urban area is a longevity. The broader Chicago area

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Speaker 3: wing human an archive has developed over many years, rather

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Speaker 3: than appearing as a brief, isolated flap. The first reports

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Speaker 3: we received were in twenty eleven. There were three reports

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Speaker 3: that came in to move on and we were lucky

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Speaker 3: enough to talk to two of the witnesses entered tracking

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Speaker 3: them down. But then it was a it was about

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Speaker 3: a five year layoff where we didn't really hear much

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Speaker 3: of anything. But in the spring of two thousand and

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Speaker 3: seven it just took off. I mean we had we

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Speaker 3: had over fifty settings that year alone, or by October anyway,

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Speaker 3: and it kind of waned off a little bit in

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Speaker 3: the wintertime, and uh, but it just continued on and

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Speaker 3: right at this point, right now, we're at one hundred

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Speaker 3: and eighty six sightings in the Chicagoland area that we

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Speaker 3: think are valid settings. Wow, so it comes from you know,

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Speaker 3: it comes from neighborhoods, suburbs, O'Hare Lake, Michigan Quarter, and

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Speaker 3: other areas up into up into Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: So a lot of people are reporting what are they

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Speaker 2: what are they seeing? What do they describe?

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Speaker 3: Well, the interesting thing about this is the characteristic of

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Speaker 3: diversity of the witness is very interesting. Reports will come

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Speaker 3: from people with different occupations, backgrounds, ages, even those had

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Speaker 3: no familiarity with them with the paranormal subjects. Some witness

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Speaker 3: had never even heard of Chicago month Man before their

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Speaker 3: encounter and that. Now, that doesn't prove that every report

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Speaker 3: represents the same phenomena, but it reduces the likelihood that

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Speaker 3: the entire pattern originated from a single rumor behavioral consistency.

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Speaker 3: Witnesses repeatedly described a dark, large human form with wings,

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Speaker 3: silent or nearly sonic lighting, sudden appearances, rapid vertical movement,

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Speaker 3: some cases, reflective or reddish eyes. Not every detail is identical,

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Speaker 3: but I would actually be suspicious of every account matched perfectly. So, yeah,

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Speaker 3: that's pretty well what we've got. Early on, we did

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Speaker 3: we started getting the insectoid type wings. Then it was

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Speaker 3: then we started getting reports of owl like wings or

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Speaker 3: raptor like wings. But the predominant description of these creatures

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Speaker 3: are a five to six and a half foot emaciated

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Speaker 3: humanoid figure, very dark in color, sometimes even shined like

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Speaker 3: it was wet. The wing structure for the most part

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Speaker 3: has been bat like gargoyle alike, with membrane wings, very

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Speaker 3: small head. And I'd say about seventy five to eighty

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Speaker 3: percent of the Suthering's had the red reflective eyes, which

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Speaker 3: is it's not I mean, it's not like it's a

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Speaker 3: reflection like most some animals would have. It actually projected light,

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Speaker 3: which just really you know, goes back to the whole

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Speaker 3: mouthman thing in Point Pleasant, right. You know, the terms

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Speaker 3: Chicago math band was convenient, but it was misleading. You know,

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Speaker 3: we could be examining multiple entities related manifestations. Uh, and

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Speaker 3: actually we were first calling I was first calling it

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Speaker 3: the Chicago Phantom, but of course, what the press got

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Speaker 3: a hold of it, and the media got a hold

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Speaker 3: of it, they started calling it the Mauthman to try

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Speaker 3: associated with the point Pleasant being, so to kind of

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Speaker 3: keep people from being confused, I went ahead with the

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Speaker 3: moniker of Mauthman and stuck with it. I just didn't

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Speaker 3: want to causing any problems and getting all kinds of

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Speaker 3: different reports that had nothing to do with what we

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Speaker 3: were looking into.

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Speaker 2: And what are these winged humanoids doing when when they're

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Speaker 2: being observed. Are they simply flying from one location to another,

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Speaker 2: or are they I don't know, on the ground at

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Speaker 2: some point, what do they do?

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Speaker 3: Well? Those that are noticed flying most of the times,

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Speaker 3: it seems like at once the focus is on a

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Speaker 3: single individual or a couple, it's very fleeting. It'll fly

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Speaker 3: by very quickly. Sometimes even looking at the individuals, the

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Speaker 3: sightings last just a matter of seconds. It's very hard

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Speaker 3: to you know, after getting the shock of seeing this

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Speaker 3: thing and trying to figure out what it was, to

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Speaker 3: grab a phone and focus in on it. So that's

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Speaker 3: why we're not getting sighted I mean getting photographs, but

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Speaker 3: very fleeting sightings. I think that, you know, we do

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Speaker 3: have people that have had pictures of long distance sightings

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Speaker 3: of these creatures, but as far as close up, it's

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Speaker 3: very very fleeting. But they do seem to want to

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Speaker 3: be noticed for whatever reasons. And in fact, I've also

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Speaker 3: we've had several suightightings in in groups, large groups where

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Speaker 3: maybe one or two people out of the group would

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Speaker 3: even see it. So uh, there's super there's definitely a

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Speaker 3: supernatural aspect to this creature. Many times if lies without

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Speaker 3: even flapping its wings, So that is strange. It is

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Speaker 2: Any photographic or video footage nothing conclusive. Uh.

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Speaker 3: We we have had bits and pieces, but nothing conclusive.

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Speaker 3: We did have a video, uh, taken on top of

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Speaker 3: seen this thing were remarked remarking about it. UH as

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Speaker 3: they were taking the taking the video with a phone,

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Speaker 3: we had to kind of light in the background to

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Speaker 3: get the form of the creature in to, you know,

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Speaker 3: to be recognized. But that's that's the best that we've

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Speaker 2: Did they make any sound?

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Speaker 3: Very little. They're They're usually silent until sometimes when they

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Speaker 3: are flying, they will let out a screeching sound. Many

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Speaker 3: times the sound coming off the wings is heard if

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Speaker 3: they do try to use the wings while taking off

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Speaker 3: for the most part, but it will let out a

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Speaker 4: But I know you're gonna want some after hearing this.

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Speaker 4: This is an amazing story.

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Speaker 5: We've got Steven and Malachi Gregory in Nelson, New Zealand.

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Speaker 4: Now I understand that Malachi, who is eight almost nine

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Speaker 4: years old now was suffering with not just one or

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Speaker 4: two warts, but I mean as significant outbreak of warts

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Speaker 4: all over his body, so significant it impacted his ability

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Speaker 4: to really function.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, he was having trouble even holding a pence to right.

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Speaker 5: It was Tie's book actually that got me thinking about it.

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Speaker 3: I'm not surprised.

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Speaker 5: It is an amazing immunal modulator, and so I can

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Speaker 5: see that it would work.

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Speaker 4: And so at what point did you see that there

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Speaker 4: was actually improvement it's really going to work.

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Speaker 5: Well, look, we really started to notice it around twelve weeks.

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Speaker 5: You can see these things actually getting smaller and smaller,

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Speaker 5: and then going down to the with just little red marks.

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Speaker 5: The whole things are gone, and we're talking about what's

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Speaker 5: you know one that size the warner. I thought, no way,

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Speaker 5: that's gonna Wow. That's just been miraculous to see him

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Speaker 5: get into a pair of shoes.

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Speaker 4: Yes, how wonderful.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see him so happy and.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, confident, absolutely wonderful.

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Speaker 3: Friends that have seen it, that is blown away. Ti,

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Speaker 3: this is awesome, Yeah, this is awesome.

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Speaker 2: John Keel writing, you know, in the Mothman prophecies talked

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Speaker 2: about the the Point Pleasant, West Virginia moth Man, but

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Speaker 2: he also documented UFO sightings, strange phone calls.

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Speaker 6: Uh.

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Speaker 2: Then of course we had the uh, the bridge disaster

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Speaker 2: connecting Point Pleasant with Ohio. Any any strange other strange

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Speaker 2: phenomena associated with the Chicago mothman sightings.

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Speaker 3: You know, I haven't found reliable evidence that did wing

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Speaker 3: humanoids consistently predict disasters, like John eluded in the in

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Speaker 3: the book, the Harbinger interpretation became deep associated with Point

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Speaker 3: Pleasant story because of the Silver Bridge collapse, of course,

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Speaker 3: and you know, I think a lot of it had

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Speaker 3: ten days before Christmas, forty six people died on a

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Speaker 3: bridge collapse, and then people came forward after the fact

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Speaker 3: saying that they saw the thing, saw this creature above

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Speaker 3: the bridge. Did it predict you know, did it predict

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Speaker 3: a disaster upcoming? I don't know. I haven't really found

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Speaker 3: much evidence of that. The only similar type of encounter

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Speaker 3: or Chernobyl, where many of the people had seen this

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Speaker 3: and it was documented before the actual disaster. But other

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Speaker 3: than that, I haven't really found much credible evidence that

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Speaker 3: these beings are related to disasters.

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Speaker 2: Getting back to the Chicago phantom or wing wing humanoid,

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Speaker 2: Chicago very busy city, very densely populated city. Are there

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Speaker 2: have there been mass sightings or are they generally just

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Speaker 2: individuals who see these creatures.

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Speaker 3: It's usually individuals, maybe a couple, maybe an individual person,

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Speaker 3: But that's where the crux of the stuttings come from.

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Speaker 3: And as far as you know, the showing out in

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Speaker 3: it does raise questions, I'll admit to that. But the

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Speaker 3: the descriptions given by these these people are very profound.

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Speaker 3: It's they feel a lot of fear and before they

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Speaker 3: even contact us, many of them feel like something may

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Speaker 3: happen to them. If they do report it, so we

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Speaker 3: they figured that if this thing salt them out, it

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Speaker 2: Who are these witnesses? Give me a give me a

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Speaker 2: I don't know if thumbnail sketch of one of these witnesses.

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Speaker 3: Typically it's it's interesting. They come from all social economic levels, uptown, downtown,

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Speaker 3: all races. The one interesting aspect of this is that,

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Speaker 3: and we've gone back and looked at it, that over

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Speaker 3: fifty percent of the witnesses are of Hispanic descent, and

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Speaker 3: that is stayed consistent ever since the beginning.

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Speaker 2: What's the significance of that.

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Speaker 3: I have no idea, none whatsoever, but it's remained consistent.

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Speaker 3: And it's to the point now where I ask the

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Speaker 3: thing that we have noticed that it has been consistent

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Speaker 2: Do you think there are any connections or do you

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Speaker 2: know of any connections between glimmer Man's sightings and Wing humanoids.

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Speaker 3: I don't know, you know, I do believe in the

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Speaker 3: ultra terrestrial theory, in which I think John John Keel

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Speaker 2: I mean he.

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Speaker 3: I believe there are beings that can travel from dimensions

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Speaker 3: into our earthplane, maintain form, they may shape shift in

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Speaker 3: some degree, they may change into something that's more acceptable

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Speaker 3: to humans to know, to see, or to not reactive.

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Speaker 3: Though I do believe in that aspect, it may very

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Speaker 3: well be similar. And in fact, I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of cryptids are either interventional or ultraterrestrial. That's just that's

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Speaker 3: just my theory because we have too many settings that

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Speaker 3: just are not explained where these creatures of any type

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Speaker 3: cryptid would disappear quickly or you know, just take off

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Speaker 3: and seem to just vanish in thin air. We see

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Speaker 3: it many times, and it's also something that we have

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Speaker 3: noticed in Chicago. We've had witnesses who have literally seen

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Speaker 3: these things manifest in front of them and vice versa,

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Speaker 3: like they went through an invisible doorway. We have no

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Speaker 3: explanation for that, though maybe it's it's technology advances and such.

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Speaker 3: We may be able to get some type of idea

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Speaker 3: what's really going on?

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Speaker 2: Do glimmer man witnesses or mothman witnesses do they ever

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Speaker 2: describe an altered sense of reality, like maybe the world's

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Speaker 2: changing around them when they have an encounter.

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Speaker 3: Occasionally, occasionally, you know, many times after they have had

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Speaker 3: the encounter and think about it, they will get back

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Speaker 3: to you and or get back to us and tell us,

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Speaker 3: you know, things have changed around me. I have a

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Speaker 3: new perspective. I don't know if I'm going to see

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Speaker 3: this thing again, but there's something has changed in me.

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Speaker 3: I look at the world much differently now. That does

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Speaker 3: happen a lot.

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Speaker 2: Do witnesses ever report seeing both phenomena in the same location,

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Speaker 2: glimmer man and mothman.

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Speaker 3: That is not that I have not that I have

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Speaker 3: received yet.

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Speaker 2: Is it possible these entities could be different manifestations of

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Speaker 2: the same underlying phenomenon rather than a separate species.

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Speaker 3: Let's say, you know, it's it's possible. I am. I'm

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Speaker 3: never surprised by some of the things that people tell

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Speaker 3: me in some of the phenomena we investigate. It wouldn't

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Speaker 3: shock me. But I don't know at this point that

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Speaker 3: we can determine that.

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