WEBVTT - Frederick Douglass

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to steph you missed in history class from how

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<v Speaker 1>Stuff Works dot Com. Hello and welcome to the podcast.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm Tracy B. Wilson and I'm Holly Frying. We are

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<v Speaker 1>just back from Seneca Falls. Yeah, they were so kind

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<v Speaker 1>to invite us to Convention Days. Yes, at the Women's

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<v Speaker 1>Rights National Historical Park. We had a live show there

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<v Speaker 1>on Sunday this past Sunday it is now Tuesday. We

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<v Speaker 1>did Unfortunately, though we had a little bit of an

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<v Speaker 1>issue with the recording. Yeah, well, it's like there's a

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<v Speaker 1>combination of factors. We had the just immense honor of

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<v Speaker 1>doing our live show in Wesleyan Chapel, which is where

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<v Speaker 1>the Seneca Falls convention was held. As you might imagine

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<v Speaker 1>from a chapel dating back to that area, it is

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<v Speaker 1>essentially a big empty space. It's a big box adjacent

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<v Speaker 1>to the road. Um. So, like for a number of reasons,

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<v Speaker 1>it just we were not able to get clear audio

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<v Speaker 1>of the live show that we did that day. So

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<v Speaker 1>we are still going to talk about Frederick Douglas. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll just do, yes, a studio version of that show.

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<v Speaker 1>We do. Definitely they'll want to thank the folks of

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<v Speaker 1>the National Park service um and Ashley Nottingham, who was

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<v Speaker 1>a person who did all of the arranging or a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of the arranging with us specifically for this, like,

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<v Speaker 1>thank everyone for having us out because we had a

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<v Speaker 1>wonderful time. Yeah, we had. I was so delighted by

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<v Speaker 1>just how fun and kind and welcoming and warm everyone was.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really lovely. Yes. Uh. And it is also

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<v Speaker 1>a better service to Frederick Douglas to to have a nice,

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<v Speaker 1>clean recording of him rather than uh, the somewhat noisier

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<v Speaker 1>one from on the day. So today, as we just said,

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<v Speaker 1>we are going to talk about the life and work

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<v Speaker 1>of orator, writer, states of an and social reformer Frederick Douglas.

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas's work was just tireless and prolific, and we

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<v Speaker 1>could literally fill a whole episode of our show just

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<v Speaker 1>listing off the titles of all his writings and all

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<v Speaker 1>the positions that he held, and all the laws that

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<v Speaker 1>he influenced, and all the speeches that he made, and

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<v Speaker 1>all the people's whose rights he championed during his lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>He was even nominated for Vice President of the United

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<v Speaker 1>States on the ticket with Victoria Woodhall in eighteen seventy two.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as an example of a thing that happened that

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<v Speaker 1>we're not even going to talk about in detail today.

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<v Speaker 1>So our focus is really going to be on how

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<v Speaker 1>his early life shaped the truly remarkable advocate that he became,

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<v Speaker 1>and that his work with the two primary causes that

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<v Speaker 1>he campaigned the most for. He campaigned for a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff that would all fall under the umbrella of

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<v Speaker 1>like humanitarianism and human rights in some way, but the

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<v Speaker 1>two biggest parts where the abolition of slavery and women's suffrage.

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas was born Frederick Augustus Washington Bailey around February

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<v Speaker 1>of eighteen eighteen in a region of Maryland's eastern shore

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<v Speaker 1>known as Tuckahoe. He was enslaved from birth, and his

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<v Speaker 1>exact birth date and place of birth are not known.

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<v Speaker 1>His father was white, and although there was speculation that

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<v Speaker 1>he may have been the owner or overseer of Douglas's mother, Harriet,

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<v Speaker 1>his identity remains unknown as well. Douglas was separated from

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<v Speaker 1>his mother while still a baby and sent to live

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<v Speaker 1>with her parents, Betsy and Isaac Bailey. Betsy was enslaved

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<v Speaker 1>and Isaac was free, and Betsy was known for her

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<v Speaker 1>skills as a nurse and her knack for making and

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<v Speaker 1>using fishing nets, along with being particularly good at growing

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<v Speaker 1>sweet potatoes. People from all around would come to Frederick

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas's grandmother to be like, can you help me out

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<v Speaker 1>with my sweet potatoes because you are the best at

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<v Speaker 1>growing them. That's a good life skill to have, ma'am.

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<v Speaker 1>But Betsy's primary duty was actually caring for children, in

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<v Speaker 1>particular her five daughter's children. Enslaved women were typically sent

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<v Speaker 1>right back to work as soon as possible after giving birth,

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<v Speaker 1>and they were not allowed to raise their own children,

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<v Speaker 1>so Frederick had very little memory of his mother until

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<v Speaker 1>the age of about seven. Those years with his grandmother

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<v Speaker 1>were an odd mix of relative freedom and a growing

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<v Speaker 1>comprehension that he was not free. The children had few

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<v Speaker 1>physical comforts they just they didn't have really playthings or

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<v Speaker 1>much to eat, but they also had few worries or constraints.

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<v Speaker 1>In My Bondage and My Freedom, which was one of

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas's autobiographies, he described the early years of a young

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved boy as quote in a word, he is, for

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<v Speaker 1>the most part of his first eight years of life,

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<v Speaker 1>a spirited, joyous, uproarious, and happy boy upon whom troubles

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<v Speaker 1>fall only like water on a duck's back. But as

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<v Speaker 1>he got older, Douglas gradually came to perceive that the

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<v Speaker 1>cabin that they were living in was not his grandmother's

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<v Speaker 1>It and his grandmother, all of the other children, and

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<v Speaker 1>he himself were in fact the property of someone they

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<v Speaker 1>knew as old Master, and that was Captain Aaron Anthony,

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<v Speaker 1>and Douglas faced a dawning understanding that he would at

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<v Speaker 1>some point be forced to leave his grandmother to begin

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<v Speaker 1>a life of enslaved labor. That happened when Douglas was

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<v Speaker 1>seven or eight, and he was sent to the plantation

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<v Speaker 1>of Colonel Edward Lloyd, who had previously been governor of

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<v Speaker 1>Maryland and a United States Senator. And they're a woman

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<v Speaker 1>known as Aunt Katie was the one responsible for the children,

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<v Speaker 1>including some of her own, so she was sort of

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<v Speaker 1>an exception to the typical behavior that women were not

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to raise their own children. Aunt Katie's treatment of

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<v Speaker 1>the children was incredibly cruel, and Douglas often went hungry

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<v Speaker 1>when she would give his share of food to her

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<v Speaker 1>own children instead. And it was on Lloyd's plantation that

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas got to see just a little more of his mother,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a field hand on another plantation. Even then, however,

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<v Speaker 1>he didn't see her very often at all, and she

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<v Speaker 1>died when he was not yet ten years old. After

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<v Speaker 1>her death, Douglas learned that, quite unusually for a field hand,

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<v Speaker 1>she had actually known how to read, and in later years,

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<v Speaker 1>when racist commentators suggested that his skill with language probably

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<v Speaker 1>came from his white father, he would insist that the

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<v Speaker 1>credit should instead go to his mother. He still wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>at this point in his life big enough to do

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<v Speaker 1>field work, so while on Lloyd's plantation, Douglas did chores

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<v Speaker 1>and errands, mainly for Lucretia Auld, who was Captain Anthony's

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<v Speaker 1>married daughter. When Douglas was about eight, he was then

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<v Speaker 1>hired out to another one of the Alds, Hugh Auld,

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<v Speaker 1>Lucretia's brother in law, who worked as a ship carpenter

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<v Speaker 1>in Baltimore. Douglas would later describe this as quote one

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<v Speaker 1>of the most interesting and fortunate events of my life.

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<v Speaker 1>Not only was he removed from the cruelty and brutality

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<v Speaker 1>of the plantation, but he was also introduced to Hugh's wife, Sophia.

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<v Speaker 1>Apparently unaware that it was illegal, or that it's illegality

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<v Speaker 1>was a techno for controlling enslaved people. Sophia taught Frederick

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<v Speaker 1>to read. Hugh All put a stop to these reading

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<v Speaker 1>lessons as soon as he found out about them, but

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<v Speaker 1>it was at this point too late to stop Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>from learning how to read. And Frederick Douglas had already

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<v Speaker 1>realized that literacy would be a key to finding his

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<v Speaker 1>way to freedom. So when Sophia's reading lessons stopped, Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>started trading his bread to white children that he would

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<v Speaker 1>run into when he was out on the old Errands.

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<v Speaker 1>And he would do this in exchange for their teaching

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<v Speaker 1>him a few words out of a Webster's spelling book.

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<v Speaker 1>He also gradually saved enough money to buy another book,

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<v Speaker 1>The Columbian Orator, and this was a collection of speeches

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<v Speaker 1>and essays and poems that had come into use as

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<v Speaker 1>a school book. It began with general instructions for speaking,

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<v Speaker 1>and it included the work of men like George Washington,

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<v Speaker 1>John Milton, Socrates, and Cistero. And this he read and reread,

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<v Speaker 1>finding a piece called Dialogue between a Master and Slave

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<v Speaker 1>particularly compelling, and in that piece of writing, a master

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<v Speaker 1>chastises his recaptured slave for having run away, and the slave,

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<v Speaker 1>eloquently dissecting the inhumanity and injustice of slavery, convinces the

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<v Speaker 1>master to free him. This is to me one of

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<v Speaker 1>the most amazing things about Frederick Douglas. He was not

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<v Speaker 1>just teaching himself to read by practicing. He was teaching

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<v Speaker 1>himself rhetoric and how to make an argument and eloquence

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<v Speaker 1>by studying this work, and the whole time that he

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<v Speaker 1>was living in Baltimore, he continued teaching himself, eventually also

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<v Speaker 1>using old copybooks and school books belonging to the auld

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<v Speaker 1>Son in order to teach himself how to write, and

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<v Speaker 1>as he got older, he started teaching other enslaved children

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<v Speaker 1>he met to read as well. Baltimore was formative in

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<v Speaker 1>other ways to Douglas. First heard the word abolition while

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<v Speaker 1>he was there, and he began to piece together that

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<v Speaker 1>there was an ambolitionist movement working to end slavery. He

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<v Speaker 1>also became religious, worshiping in an African Methodist Episcopal church,

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<v Speaker 1>while simultaneously coming to understand that the scriptures were being

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<v Speaker 1>used to both justify slavery and to convince enslaved people

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<v Speaker 1>that they should submit to it. He became increasingly aware

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<v Speaker 1>of the hypocrisy of Christian slave owners who applied Christ's

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<v Speaker 1>teachings only to white men while treating their enslaved workforce

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<v Speaker 1>with severe cruelty. Frederick Douglas remained in Baltimore for about

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<v Speaker 1>seven years. At this point, there was a series of

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<v Speaker 1>deaths within his owner's family, as well as some inner

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<v Speaker 1>family drama, and Thomas all demanded that he be returned

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<v Speaker 1>to the plantation. Douglas only worked directly for Thomas Auld

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<v Speaker 1>for about nine months, though he had become, in the

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<v Speaker 1>eyes of his enslavers, a troublemaker. He tried to start

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<v Speaker 1>a Sabbath school to teach other enslaved people, and he

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<v Speaker 1>started standing up for himself and other people. So from

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Auld's point of view, Douglas had been ruined. So

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Ald hired Douglas out to a man named Edward Covey,

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<v Speaker 1>who was a notorious slave breaker. So this is a

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<v Speaker 1>man to whom slave owners would hire out their troublesome

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved people for free so that he could train them. And,

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<v Speaker 1>in Douglas's words quote, Mr. Covey could have under him

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<v Speaker 1>the most fiery bloods of the neighborhood for the simple

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<v Speaker 1>reward of returning them to their owners well broken. For

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<v Speaker 1>the next six months, Covey beat Douglas on a nearly

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<v Speaker 1>daily basis, and he also engaged in a sort of

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<v Speaker 1>psychological warfare which was meant to make him feel as

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<v Speaker 1>though he was constantly watched and constantly threatened. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>thirty five, after his time with Covey was up, Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>was hired out as a field hand to William Freeland,

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<v Speaker 1>who was not nearly as cruel as Thomas Auld or

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<v Speaker 1>Edward Covey had been. Douglas once again tried to start

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<v Speaker 1>a Sabbath school to teach and educate other enslaved people.

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<v Speaker 1>On January one, eighteen thirty six, Douglas resolved that he

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<v Speaker 1>would be free by the end of the year, and

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<v Speaker 1>he planned to liberate several of the other men enslaved

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<v Speaker 1>with him as well. He forged passes for the group

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<v Speaker 1>which said they had permission to go to Baltimore, but

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<v Speaker 1>unfortunately their plan was discovered and all of the men

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<v Speaker 1>were captured and taken to jail. After this escape attempt,

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas all decided it would be best to send Frederick

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas away, especially because of the Sabbath School and the

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<v Speaker 1>influence that he was having among the enslaved people in

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<v Speaker 1>the neighborhood. It wasn't just that Thomas Auld was finding

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas's behavior to be unacceptable, it was also that he

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<v Speaker 1>was drawing the ire of other slave owners in the area.

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<v Speaker 1>Thomas Auld was afraid that some harm was going to

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<v Speaker 1>come to his property. So Douglas was sent back to Baltimore,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was from there that he ultimately would escape.

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<v Speaker 1>And we will get to that after a quick sponsor break.

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<v Speaker 1>So back in Baltimore with Hugh and Sophie Auld, Frederick

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas was first hired out to a shipyard, but after

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<v Speaker 1>being attacked by a group of white laborers, which is

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<v Speaker 1>something the authorities refused to investigate because no white witness

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<v Speaker 1>would attest to it, he was allowed to seek out

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<v Speaker 1>his own work. He would basically go and solicit work

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<v Speaker 1>in places that he felt more safe working, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he would turn over all of the pay that he

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<v Speaker 1>earned to Hugh Auld at the end of each week.

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<v Speaker 1>And eventually Douglas asked for permission to hire himself out

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<v Speaker 1>during his off hours, and this would allow him to

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<v Speaker 1>keep the pay above and beyond what was due back

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<v Speaker 1>to the Alds, and it was viewed as a huge privilege.

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<v Speaker 1>He secretly planned to save this pay in order to

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<v Speaker 1>fund his escape, but his permission to hire his time

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<v Speaker 1>was revoked after he attended a camp meeting one Saturday

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<v Speaker 1>night instead of delivering his pay to Hugh Auld on schedule.

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<v Speaker 1>This pushed Douglas's plans to escape into high gear. He

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<v Speaker 1>was basicly afraid that if he made any kind of

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<v Speaker 1>wrong move, it was going to become even harder for

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<v Speaker 1>him to escape. They would be keeping an even closer

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<v Speaker 1>eye on him. At this point, he had met and

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<v Speaker 1>fallen in love with a free black woman named Anna Murray.

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<v Speaker 1>She secured a sailor's uniform for him and gave him

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<v Speaker 1>some of her savings to fund the way, and then

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<v Speaker 1>he traveled using identification papers that had been borrowed from

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<v Speaker 1>a free black man. He traveled by train and then

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<v Speaker 1>steamboat and left Baltimore and traveled to New York City

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<v Speaker 1>on September three, thirty eight. For a long time, he

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<v Speaker 1>would not tell anyone exactly how he had done this,

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<v Speaker 1>because he was afraid that if he did that escape

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<v Speaker 1>route from Baltimore would get shut down, and once he

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<v Speaker 1>arrived at a safe house belonging to abolitionist David Ruggles,

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<v Speaker 1>he sent for Anna and they were married on September

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<v Speaker 1>fift The pair would eventually have five children together, Rosetta, Lewis, Frederick, Charles,

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<v Speaker 1>and Annie. Knowing that Douglas had were calking ships in Baltimore,

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<v Speaker 1>Ruggles suggested that he go to New Bedford, Massachusetts, which

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<v Speaker 1>had a large whaling and shipping industry, as well as

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<v Speaker 1>a sizeable free black community. Douglas had traveled under several

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<v Speaker 1>names while making his way to New Bedford, eventually landing

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<v Speaker 1>on Johnson, but once he got there, there were so

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<v Speaker 1>many other Johnson's in New Bedford that he thought it

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<v Speaker 1>would be confusing to have yet another one, so he

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<v Speaker 1>and Anna took the last name of Douglas. At first,

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<v Speaker 1>the Douglas's life in New Bedford was dedicated to just

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<v Speaker 1>trying to make ends meet and to find a home

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<v Speaker 1>in their new community, and Douglas also resumed going to church.

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<v Speaker 1>After encountering segregation and racism at New Bedford's Methodist church,

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<v Speaker 1>he joined the African Methodist Episcopal Zionist Church and Eventually

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<v Speaker 1>he became a lay minister there. A few months after

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<v Speaker 1>settling in New Bedford, Douglas got a copy of William

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<v Speaker 1>Lloyd Garrison's abolitionist newspaper, The Liberator. This was his entry

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<v Speaker 1>into the thti slavery movement that he had first heard

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<v Speaker 1>about back in Baltimore. Soon he was attending abolitionist meetings

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<v Speaker 1>in In eighteen forty one, he attended and spoke at

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<v Speaker 1>an anti slavery convention in Nantucket. This is his first

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<v Speaker 1>time really speaking in public, and he didn't think he

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<v Speaker 1>did a particularly great job. But afterward John A. Collins

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<v Speaker 1>of the Massachusetts Anti Slavery Society asked Frederick Douglas to

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<v Speaker 1>come and work for them as a speaker. He began

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<v Speaker 1>to travel around the North and Midwest speaking against slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>And although Douglas had a remarkable ability to draw from

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<v Speaker 1>his own experience to change hearts and minds, his opposition

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<v Speaker 1>to slavery was not about his own enslavement. His focus

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<v Speaker 1>was on humanity as a whole in the inherent brutality

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<v Speaker 1>and destructiveness of the institution of slavery. But by writing

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<v Speaker 1>about his own experience, he was giving potential abolitionists particularly

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<v Speaker 1>in the North, something many had lacked, and that was

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<v Speaker 1>a window into the reality so the institution of slavery.

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<v Speaker 1>This was incredibly important to the success of the movement

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<v Speaker 1>for abolition, especially in the North. Slavery affected people's lives,

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<v Speaker 1>particularly white people's lives, in really dramatic ways that they

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<v Speaker 1>weren't necessarily even consciously aware of. Many wealthy and prominent

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<v Speaker 1>families had earned their fortunes either directly through the slave

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<v Speaker 1>trade or through industries that relied on enslaved labor. So

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<v Speaker 1>even if no one in a community was currently enslaving anyone,

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<v Speaker 1>it was incredibly likely that its wealthiest and most influential

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<v Speaker 1>families were living on inherited wealth that came at least

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<v Speaker 1>in part from slavery. And people were also traveling on

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<v Speaker 1>roads and railroads, and attending schools and working in buildings

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<v Speaker 1>that had been built by enslaved people, including the US

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<v Speaker 1>Capital Building. So people were living in a nation that

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<v Speaker 1>had been built on and financed through slavery, but they

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<v Speaker 1>often didn't have a conscious connection to what any of

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<v Speaker 1>that actually meant. That changed as Douglas spoke and wrote

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<v Speaker 1>about fighting off dogs for crumbs of food, sleeping on

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<v Speaker 1>bare floors with little protection from the cold, brutal beatings,

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<v Speaker 1>the murder of an enslaved man named Denby at the

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<v Speaker 1>hands of an overseer, the wilful destruction and separation of

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<v Speaker 1>enslaved families, and the constant exhausting work that continued well

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<v Speaker 1>after the work day was over, as enslaved people then

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<v Speaker 1>had to care for their own food, care for their quarters,

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<v Speaker 1>mend their clothes, and on and on. But it wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>simply Douglas's documentation of the daily conditions and degradations of

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<v Speaker 1>enslavement that influenced the abolition movement. He also wrote extensively

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<v Speaker 1>on how the institution of slavery impacted the enslavers as

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<v Speaker 1>well as the enslaved. By making enslaved people into a

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<v Speaker 1>class that was supposedly less than human, enslavers were also

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<v Speaker 1>corrupting their own humanity. These were all things that Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>had experienced and learned and thought about during his years

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<v Speaker 1>of enslavement, and he was particularly adept at putting them

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<v Speaker 1>into words in a way that motivated readers and listeners

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<v Speaker 1>to act. We should make clear he wasn't the only

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<v Speaker 1>previously enslaved person that was writing and speaking about their

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<v Speaker 1>own experience, but he did become particularly famous. In eighteen

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<v Speaker 1>forty five, he published the first of three autobiographies, Narrative

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<v Speaker 1>of the Life of Frederick Douglas, an American Slave, in

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<v Speaker 1>part to debunk critics claims that he was too eloquent

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<v Speaker 1>who have ever really been a slave? And in it

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<v Speaker 1>he detailed the experiences that we talked about in the

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<v Speaker 1>first part of our episode today, including naming who his

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<v Speaker 1>owners had been, and that was a colossal risk under

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<v Speaker 1>fugitive slave laws. He could be captured and returned to Maryland,

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<v Speaker 1>and as his book became a bestseller, he left the country,

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<v Speaker 1>sailing for Liverpool on August sixteenth of eighteen forty five.

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<v Speaker 1>He arrived Fived in Britain, just before the start of

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<v Speaker 1>the Great Famine in Ireland. As a side note, this

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<v Speaker 1>was not the only time that Frederick Douglas would have

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<v Speaker 1>to flee the country. He did again in eighteen fifty

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<v Speaker 1>nine after John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry, after investigators

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<v Speaker 1>found a letter that Douglas had written that could have

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<v Speaker 1>led to his being named as a co conspirator. Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>at that point didn't return home until eighteen sixty as

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<v Speaker 1>the nation was careening towards Civil war. After learning that

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<v Speaker 1>his daughter Annie had died at the age of eleven,

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<v Speaker 1>so jumping back to eighteen forty five. For nearly two years,

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas traveled around the British Isles and spoke against slavery

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<v Speaker 1>and four civil rights, and while he was there, British

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<v Speaker 1>supporters raised the funds to purchase his freedom. Thomas all

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<v Speaker 1>First sold him to Hugh Auld for the sum of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred dollars, and Hugh released him from slavery on

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<v Speaker 1>December five, eighty six. Douglas returned to the United States

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<v Speaker 1>the following year, and he and his family moved to Rochester,

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<v Speaker 1>New York work. Douglas received some criticism for allowing himself

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<v Speaker 1>to be purchased, since to some it legitimized the institution

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<v Speaker 1>that he was fighting against. They basically thought he was

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<v Speaker 1>being complicit in the very thing that he was advocating

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<v Speaker 1>to have abolished. But from Douglas's point of view, he

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<v Speaker 1>had a calling and a duty to return to the

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<v Speaker 1>United States and continue to fight slavery, something he would

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<v Speaker 1>best be able to do if he was not simultaneously

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<v Speaker 1>trying to evade capture or captured and returned South. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the Civil War started in eighteen sixty one, and by

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<v Speaker 1>that point Frederick Douglas was one of the most famous

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<v Speaker 1>black men in the United States. Although the South was

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<v Speaker 1>fighting the war in large part to protect and expand

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<v Speaker 1>the institution of slavery, at first, the North was fighting

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<v Speaker 1>primarily to preserve the Union. Douglas became an outspoken advocate

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<v Speaker 1>for making the abolition of slavery one of the Union's

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<v Speaker 1>goals as well, and he also recruited for the Union Army,

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<v Speaker 1>and two of his sons served in the fifty fourth

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<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts Volunteer Infantry. In eighteen sixty three, Douglas met with

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<v Speaker 1>Abraham Lincoln about the treatment of black soldiers fighting for

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<v Speaker 1>the Union and advocated for their receiving equal pay. Of course,

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<v Speaker 1>the abolition of slavery did ultimately get folded into the

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<v Speaker 1>Union schools in the Civil War, and when the war

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<v Speaker 1>was over, slavery was indeed abolished. Douglas then turned his

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<v Speaker 1>attention to protecting the lives and civil rights of African Americans,

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<v Speaker 1>including campaigning for the right to vote. He also encouraged

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<v Speaker 1>abolitionist organizations to turn their attention to Native Americans, whose

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<v Speaker 1>condition he called, quote the saddest chapter in our history.

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas never like looked at an accomplishment and then said, okay,

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<v Speaker 1>we're done now. If the if the thing he had

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<v Speaker 1>been campaigning for, was successful, he would then find the

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<v Speaker 1>next thing. And after the war he also held a

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<v Speaker 1>number of so shill in political positions, including Charge da

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<v Speaker 1>Fair for the Dominican Republic, Minister Resident and Consul General

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<v Speaker 1>to Haiti, and the Recorder of Deeds of the District

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<v Speaker 1>of Columbia. He served as president of the Freedman Savings Bank,

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<v Speaker 1>and he was on the board at Howard University. The

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<v Speaker 1>list of accomplishments and appointments that he had goes on

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<v Speaker 1>and on and on. It is quite lengthy. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>even before the Civil War, Frederick Douglas had become a

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<v Speaker 1>supporter of women's rights. And especially because we were originally

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<v Speaker 1>giving this episode as a live show at Convention Days

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<v Speaker 1>in celebration of the anniversary of the Seneca Falls Convention,

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<v Speaker 1>made a lot of sense to spend a little more

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<v Speaker 1>time on that which we are going to do. After

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<v Speaker 1>another quick sponsor break, Frederick Douglas first met Susan B.

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony in eighteen forty five, but his direct involvement with

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<v Speaker 1>the movement for women's suffrage really started after he moved

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<v Speaker 1>to Rochester with this family in eighteen forty seven. That December,

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<v Speaker 1>he published his first issue of his newspaper, The North Star,

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<v Speaker 1>which was one of several newspapers he would create and

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<v Speaker 1>run during his lifetime. The North Star was printed with

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<v Speaker 1>the motto right is of no sex, Truth is of

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<v Speaker 1>no color. God is the father of us all, and

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<v Speaker 1>we are all brethren and The Seneca Falls Convention began

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<v Speaker 1>on July nineteenth of eighteen forty eight, and Douglas was

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<v Speaker 1>one of only thirty two men out of about three

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<v Speaker 1>hundred attendees. Of these men, he was the only one

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<v Speaker 1>who supported Elizabeth Katie Stanton's resolution that women be allowed

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<v Speaker 1>to vote, and he seconded her motion that the right

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<v Speaker 1>to vote be one of their resolutions. He was one

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<v Speaker 1>of the signers of the Declaration of Sentiments. Another woman's

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<v Speaker 1>rights convention was held almost immediately in Rochester on August

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<v Speaker 1>two of eighteen forty eight, and Lucretia Mott and Elizabeth

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<v Speaker 1>Katie Stanton recommended that Douglas be made its chair, although

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<v Speaker 1>he ultimately wasn't. He did attend and speak at this

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<v Speaker 1>convention as well, and both conventions were covered in the

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<v Speaker 1>newspaper of the North Star. This was really um like

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<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas was already under a huge amount of scrutiny

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<v Speaker 1>because he was a black man living in America, and

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<v Speaker 1>becoming involved in the women's rights movement brought on a

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<v Speaker 1>whole other layer of scrutiny because men who were involved

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<v Speaker 1>in the movement were viewed with extreme suspicion and derision.

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<v Speaker 1>There was a lot of undertone of like, something must

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<v Speaker 1>be wrong with you for you to be into this. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's definitely a lot of bravery in that move

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<v Speaker 1>And in addition to being actively involved in the movement

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<v Speaker 1>for women's rights and suffrage, Douglas took those ideas back

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<v Speaker 1>with him to the movement for abolition. In eight Douglas

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<v Speaker 1>presided at the National Convention of Colored Freedman in Cleveland,

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<v Speaker 1>and under his leadership, the convention passed a resolution affirming

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<v Speaker 1>equality between the sexes and women were actively invited to participate.

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<v Speaker 1>Douglas presided over and introduced similar affirmations at other abolitionist

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<v Speaker 1>meetings as well. Although obviously there were also black suffragists

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<v Speaker 1>such as I. Toby Wells Barnett and A. Julia Cooper.

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<v Speaker 1>The suffrage movement as a whole was largely focused on

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<v Speaker 1>the needs and wants of relatively affluent white women, like

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<v Speaker 1>if you read the Declaration of Sentiments, there are parts

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<v Speaker 1>in it about things like your property becoming your husband's

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<v Speaker 1>property when you marry. So we're starting from the foundation

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<v Speaker 1>of women affluent enough to have property. It's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a narrow segment of women. At the end of the

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<v Speaker 1>Civil War Reconstruction efforts to guarantee civil rights, including the

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<v Speaker 1>right to vote to former slaves and their descendants, clashed

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<v Speaker 1>with this focus of looking for voting rights for white women.

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<v Speaker 1>At first, it actually seemed as though these two movements

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<v Speaker 1>for suffrage could combine. At the first Women's Rights Convention

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<v Speaker 1>after the Civil War, its name was changed to the

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<v Speaker 1>Equal Rights Association, which would work toward universal suffrage, not

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<v Speaker 1>just suffrage for women, and Frederick Douglas was one of

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<v Speaker 1>the Equal Rights Association's three vice presidents. But as the

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<v Speaker 1>Reconstruction amendments to the Constitution were drafted, a schism developed

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<v Speaker 1>within the movement. The May eighteen sixty nine meeting of

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<v Speaker 1>the Equal Rights Association took place after Congress had passed

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<v Speaker 1>the Fifteenth Amendment, as it was up for ratification by

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<v Speaker 1>the States. This amendment read quote the right of citizens

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<v Speaker 1>of the United States to vote shall not be denied

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<v Speaker 1>or abridged by the United States or by any State,

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<v Speaker 1>on account of race, color, or previous condition of servitude.

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<v Speaker 1>So this amendment made no reference to the rights of

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<v Speaker 1>vote as related to sex, and Douglas was willing to

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<v Speaker 1>accept this less than universal suffrage because he knew how

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<v Speaker 1>much resistance there was to women's voting rights in much

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<v Speaker 1>of the nation, and he thought it was likely that

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<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth Amendment could only be ratified it if it

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<v Speaker 1>didn't include women. He also thought that white women wanted

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<v Speaker 1>the right to vote but had other ways to take

0:27:06.119 --> 0:27:10.280
<v Speaker 1>political action, while overall the black population desperately needed to

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<v Speaker 1>vote because they had no other means to take political

0:27:12.960 --> 0:27:16.720
<v Speaker 1>action themselves. Of course, many of the Equal Rights Association

0:27:17.080 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>vehemently disagreed, and the ensuing discussion, Douglas said, quote, when

0:27:22.320 --> 0:27:26.439
<v Speaker 1>women because they are women are dragged from their homes

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:29.800
<v Speaker 1>and hung upon lamp posts, when their children are torn

0:27:29.880 --> 0:27:33.160
<v Speaker 1>from their arms and their brains dashed out upon the pavement,

0:27:33.760 --> 0:27:37.399
<v Speaker 1>when they are objects of insult and outrage at every turn,

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:40.960
<v Speaker 1>when they are in danger of having their homes burnt

0:27:41.040 --> 0:27:44.520
<v Speaker 1>down over their heads, when their children are not allowed

0:27:44.560 --> 0:27:48.440
<v Speaker 1>to enter schools, they will have an urgency to obtain

0:27:48.520 --> 0:27:52.440
<v Speaker 1>the ballot equal to black men. Someone from the audience

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:55.040
<v Speaker 1>then asked whether this was not also true of black

0:27:55.080 --> 0:27:58.600
<v Speaker 1>women as well, and he answered yes, yes, yes, it

0:27:58.920 --> 0:28:02.119
<v Speaker 1>is true of the black woman, but not because she

0:28:02.280 --> 0:28:05.280
<v Speaker 1>is a woman, but because she is black. So he

0:28:05.359 --> 0:28:09.680
<v Speaker 1>was basically pointing out that like yes, it was right

0:28:10.119 --> 0:28:14.280
<v Speaker 1>and and important for women to have the right to vote,

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.440
<v Speaker 1>but the need was a lot more dire for black

0:28:18.480 --> 0:28:21.480
<v Speaker 1>people to have the rights to vote. The debate over

0:28:21.520 --> 0:28:25.399
<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth Amendment split the Equal Rights Association. At the

0:28:25.400 --> 0:28:28.680
<v Speaker 1>conclusion of the meeting, it was disbanded, with Susan B.

0:28:28.800 --> 0:28:32.880
<v Speaker 1>Anthony and Elizabeth Katie Stanton forming the National Woman's Suffrage

0:28:32.880 --> 0:28:37.119
<v Speaker 1>Association to once again focus only on voting rights for women,

0:28:37.760 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 1>even to the extent of directly opposing the fifteenth Amendment.

0:28:41.960 --> 0:28:45.200
<v Speaker 1>Those who supported the fifteenth Amendment formed the American Woman

0:28:45.320 --> 0:28:49.000
<v Speaker 1>Suffrage Association. We should also make it clear that this

0:28:49.160 --> 0:28:52.959
<v Speaker 1>was not just an ideological dispute over the wording of

0:28:52.960 --> 0:28:56.400
<v Speaker 1>the fifteenth Amendment and whether it included any references to

0:28:56.480 --> 0:29:00.760
<v Speaker 1>sex or gender. There was also explicit sitism at work,

0:29:00.800 --> 0:29:04.920
<v Speaker 1>with Elizabeth Katie Stanton, for example, saying quote, what will

0:29:04.960 --> 0:29:07.960
<v Speaker 1>we and our daughters suffer if these degraded black men

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:11.040
<v Speaker 1>are allowed to have the rights? That would make them

0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:15.440
<v Speaker 1>even worse than our Saxon fathers. I also kept finding

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:19.080
<v Speaker 1>reference to a quote by Susan B. Anthony about how

0:29:19.120 --> 0:29:22.040
<v Speaker 1>she would rather cut off her right arm than campaign

0:29:22.120 --> 0:29:25.760
<v Speaker 1>for vote for black people before women. I couldn't find

0:29:26.560 --> 0:29:29.320
<v Speaker 1>the original place where she purportedly said that, but it

0:29:29.400 --> 0:29:32.600
<v Speaker 1>came up over and over. There were also elements of

0:29:32.640 --> 0:29:35.320
<v Speaker 1>the suffrage movement who argued that women should have the

0:29:35.400 --> 0:29:38.040
<v Speaker 1>right to vote because white women would help form a

0:29:38.160 --> 0:29:42.000
<v Speaker 1>voting block that would help maintain white supremacy, even if

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>black people could also vote, and one such advocate of

0:29:45.600 --> 0:29:49.320
<v Speaker 1>this was Henry B. Blackwell, husband of suffragist Lucy Stone.

0:29:50.280 --> 0:29:55.080
<v Speaker 1>When the fifteenth Amendment was ratified on February three, eight seventy,

0:29:55.080 --> 0:29:59.120
<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas immediately began campaigning for a sixteenth Amendment to

0:29:59.240 --> 0:30:02.240
<v Speaker 1>grant voting rights to women and he would continue to

0:30:02.280 --> 0:30:06.160
<v Speaker 1>advocate for women's suffrage for the rest of his life. Sadly,

0:30:06.600 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 1>Charlotte Woodward was the only signer of the Seneca Falls

0:30:09.440 --> 0:30:13.400
<v Speaker 1>Conventions Declaration of Sentiments to live to see the ratification

0:30:13.520 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>of the Nineteenth Amendment giving women the right to vote

0:30:16.240 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 1>on August eighteenth of nineteen twenty. Apparently because of her

0:30:19.680 --> 0:30:23.400
<v Speaker 1>poor health, she never actually got to vote herself. But

0:30:23.560 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 1>even then, the same racially discriminatory voting laws that had

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:31.280
<v Speaker 1>already been suppressing black men's right to vote since the

0:30:31.400 --> 0:30:34.880
<v Speaker 1>end of Reconstruction just applied to black women as well.

0:30:35.560 --> 0:30:39.080
<v Speaker 1>So although the letter of the Nineteenth Amendment gave black

0:30:39.120 --> 0:30:41.720
<v Speaker 1>women the right to vote, it was not until the

0:30:41.800 --> 0:30:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Voting Rights Act of nineteen sixty five that many Black

0:30:44.760 --> 0:30:48.200
<v Speaker 1>women and other women who were part of, you know,

0:30:48.240 --> 0:30:52.480
<v Speaker 1>minority populations, were actually able to do so. And of course,

0:30:52.560 --> 0:30:57.840
<v Speaker 1>discriminatory voting laws and attempts to suppress voters still exists today.

0:30:58.320 --> 0:31:00.320
<v Speaker 1>I feel like every time I turn around, there's another

0:31:00.360 --> 0:31:03.880
<v Speaker 1>case before the Supreme Court about it. To close out

0:31:03.920 --> 0:31:06.040
<v Speaker 1>his story, we're going to return for a moment to

0:31:06.080 --> 0:31:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Frederick Douglas's last years in the eighteen seventies, He moved

0:31:09.960 --> 0:31:13.120
<v Speaker 1>to Washington, d c. And his wife, Anna, died of

0:31:13.120 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 1>a stroke in eighteen eighty two. In eighteen eighty four,

0:31:16.720 --> 0:31:19.480
<v Speaker 1>he remarried a woman named Helen Pitts, which raised some

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:22.440
<v Speaker 1>eyebrows because she was about twenty years younger than he

0:31:22.560 --> 0:31:28.080
<v Speaker 1>was and she was also white. On February, Frederick Douglas

0:31:28.120 --> 0:31:30.520
<v Speaker 1>went to a meeting of the National Council of Women.

0:31:31.000 --> 0:31:33.680
<v Speaker 1>He came home and began preparing to give a speech

0:31:33.720 --> 0:31:36.080
<v Speaker 1>at a local church when he died suddenly of a

0:31:36.080 --> 0:31:39.840
<v Speaker 1>heart attack. He was about seventy seven. He had been

0:31:40.160 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>campaigning for equal rights until literally the last day of

0:31:45.240 --> 0:31:49.120
<v Speaker 1>his life, that is Frederick Douglas. We were actually joined

0:31:49.160 --> 0:31:52.760
<v Speaker 1>by Frederick Douglas there in Seneca Falls. Yeah. It was

0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:57.360
<v Speaker 1>quite exciting. They had a wonderful reenactor there who was

0:31:57.440 --> 0:31:59.760
<v Speaker 1>really great, and he came in a halfway through and

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:05.920
<v Speaker 1>I turned into Buddy the Elf. Yeah. He uh. He

0:32:05.960 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 1>was very gracious. He he was um, he was so kind.

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.360
<v Speaker 1>He we had a lot of people who wanted to

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:16.840
<v Speaker 1>have pictures made after the show. Um, and he accommodated everyone.

0:32:17.240 --> 0:32:22.000
<v Speaker 1>It was super gracious and warm and lovely the whole time. Yeah,

0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:26.760
<v Speaker 1>so everyone we met uh and while we were in

0:32:26.800 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>Seneca Falls. UM was gracious and kind and welcoming. The

0:32:30.080 --> 0:32:33.160
<v Speaker 1>National Park Service staff that we met were all amazing.

0:32:33.720 --> 0:32:35.560
<v Speaker 1>We I said. I said at the top of the show,

0:32:35.720 --> 0:32:39.240
<v Speaker 1>we were so honored to be able to do this show.

0:32:39.720 --> 0:32:44.760
<v Speaker 1>Um there in the Wesleyan Chapel and its great. So

0:32:45.120 --> 0:32:47.600
<v Speaker 1>if you get a chance to go to Seneca Falls,

0:32:47.720 --> 0:32:51.360
<v Speaker 1>especially to go to a future convention days Uh, Yeah,

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:54.880
<v Speaker 1>we had a great time. That's a pretty great event. Yeah,

0:32:55.160 --> 0:32:57.000
<v Speaker 1>Sadly we did not get to spend a ton of

0:32:57.040 --> 0:33:00.600
<v Speaker 1>time in Seneca Falls. It was a very Uh that

0:33:00.720 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>was a quick, quick turnaround trip. Yeah, it was a

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 1>quick turnaround trip for both of us. Oh, and I

0:33:05.520 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>also would like to thank my spouse for riding with

0:33:09.120 --> 0:33:12.280
<v Speaker 1>me slush and driving the car all the way there

0:33:12.320 --> 0:33:14.959
<v Speaker 1>and back. We made a weekend trip out of it,

0:33:15.000 --> 0:33:18.240
<v Speaker 1>and I don't think I could have made the drive

0:33:18.600 --> 0:33:22.640
<v Speaker 1>by myself because it's it's it's a stretch. Do you

0:33:22.680 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 1>also have some listener mail for us? I sure do. Um.

0:33:26.880 --> 0:33:29.840
<v Speaker 1>This is from Rick and it is about our Unearthed

0:33:29.880 --> 0:33:34.120
<v Speaker 1>in July episode. Rick says, I was listening to your

0:33:34.360 --> 0:33:36.880
<v Speaker 1>latest Unearthed episode while commuting to work today and your

0:33:36.880 --> 0:33:42.160
<v Speaker 1>discussion of brew stones felt especially serendipitous to me. In California,

0:33:42.240 --> 0:33:45.560
<v Speaker 1>fourth graders learn about California history and in particular, the

0:33:45.600 --> 0:33:49.280
<v Speaker 1>California Missions system. My daughter is entering fourth grade in

0:33:49.320 --> 0:33:51.200
<v Speaker 1>the Falls, and my wife and I have taken upon

0:33:51.240 --> 0:33:54.080
<v Speaker 1>ourselves to take our daughter to visit all twenty one

0:33:54.160 --> 0:33:57.640
<v Speaker 1>missions in California. This weekend, we were visiting the mission

0:33:57.680 --> 0:34:01.640
<v Speaker 1>San Francisco, Solano and so No, the northernmost and last

0:34:01.640 --> 0:34:05.040
<v Speaker 1>mission built. During the tour, from our docent, we were

0:34:05.080 --> 0:34:07.600
<v Speaker 1>told about how the Native American tribes in the area

0:34:07.800 --> 0:34:12.400
<v Speaker 1>Miwalk and Pomo cooked inside woven baskets. Obviously, they couldn't

0:34:12.400 --> 0:34:14.200
<v Speaker 1>place them on a fire like you would with an

0:34:14.239 --> 0:34:16.600
<v Speaker 1>iron pot, so they would drop a heated stone into

0:34:16.600 --> 0:34:20.160
<v Speaker 1>the basket filled with acorn porridge, which was the staple

0:34:20.200 --> 0:34:23.200
<v Speaker 1>food source for them. Apparently, worldwide, the use of stones

0:34:23.239 --> 0:34:26.880
<v Speaker 1>for cooking liquids has been prevalent in all Stone age societies.

0:34:27.160 --> 0:34:29.120
<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for your incredible show. Even as

0:34:29.160 --> 0:34:31.640
<v Speaker 1>a rabid fan of history, I learned something new every week.

0:34:31.760 --> 0:34:35.080
<v Speaker 1>Keep up the good work, Rick. Thank you so much. Rick,

0:34:35.640 --> 0:34:39.359
<v Speaker 1>I somehow did not know that, and now I do,

0:34:39.680 --> 0:34:43.080
<v Speaker 1>and I am kind of delighted to know that this

0:34:43.160 --> 0:34:46.279
<v Speaker 1>is a phenomenon from all over the world. I think

0:34:46.320 --> 0:34:49.600
<v Speaker 1>I just assumed that if you did not have iron

0:34:49.600 --> 0:34:51.600
<v Speaker 1>pots yet and you were cooking food over a fire,

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:58.400
<v Speaker 1>you were skewering things on sticks. This. Um, I gotta confess.

0:34:58.520 --> 0:35:00.520
<v Speaker 1>I always have that like crafty part of me that

0:35:00.520 --> 0:35:04.120
<v Speaker 1>wants to try stuff like this, but I envision making

0:35:04.160 --> 0:35:09.600
<v Speaker 1>a horrible disaster. Yeah, and you you had brought up

0:35:09.640 --> 0:35:12.000
<v Speaker 1>when we did that unearthed episode that it brings a

0:35:12.000 --> 0:35:16.319
<v Speaker 1>whole new meaning to stone soup Um story that many

0:35:16.360 --> 0:35:19.879
<v Speaker 1>of us have heard as children. Anyway, one more thank

0:35:19.920 --> 0:35:23.319
<v Speaker 1>you to everyone who was involved at convention days and

0:35:23.320 --> 0:35:27.239
<v Speaker 1>Seneca Falls in the National Park Service, folks, all of that,

0:35:27.480 --> 0:35:29.560
<v Speaker 1>which was we were so glad to be there. We

0:35:29.600 --> 0:35:33.040
<v Speaker 1>had such a good time. Fingers crossed that. Uh. We

0:35:33.040 --> 0:35:37.279
<v Speaker 1>we don't have to studio redo our live shows very often.

0:35:37.320 --> 0:35:39.880
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0:35:40.080 --> 0:35:41.440
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