1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,760 Speaker 1: Body doctors with Joseph Scott more. Over the course of 2 00:00:06,800 --> 00:00:10,440 Speaker 1: my life, I've met some kind of interesting people along 3 00:00:10,440 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 1: the way. I love meeting people to a certain degree, 4 00:00:17,800 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 1: particularly that come from different backgrounds. One of my friends 5 00:00:23,280 --> 00:00:28,040 Speaker 1: that I actually met him just by chance and formed 6 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 1: a friendship with him, was a former special operations person. 7 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:37,960 Speaker 1: It's about as far as I'll go, and he's just 8 00:00:38,600 --> 00:00:41,159 Speaker 1: this salt of the earth kind of guy. But one 9 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: of his part of his expertise in special Operations was 10 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: what they call CQB. He was close quarters combat and 11 00:00:52,520 --> 00:00:57,240 Speaker 1: he became an instructor, and he was particularly good with 12 00:00:57,560 --> 00:01:01,240 Speaker 1: edged weapons, and which I was a fascinated by the 13 00:01:01,280 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: little boy and me, you know, it's fascinated by that now. 14 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:09,199 Speaker 1: I asked him one time, I said, do you guys 15 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:14,720 Speaker 1: ever learn how to throw knives? And he looked at 16 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,520 Speaker 1: me and he said, you know, I thought you were 17 00:01:18,560 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: a smart guy. He said, that's one of the dumbest 18 00:01:22,040 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: things you can do, because if you have a weapon 19 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: in your hand, why would you ever throw it away? 20 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:35,279 Speaker 1: Today we're going to do an update on a case 21 00:01:36,400 --> 00:01:45,920 Speaker 1: that involves an edged weapon. It involves a single stabling 22 00:01:48,240 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: and the weapon was apparently wielded by a young lady 23 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:59,200 Speaker 1: that claimed that she threw the knife and happened to 24 00:01:59,320 --> 00:02:03,280 Speaker 1: strike the victim in one of the most critical areas 25 00:02:05,160 --> 00:02:10,519 Speaker 1: in the human body. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan and this 26 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:16,359 Speaker 1: is body Backs, Dave. If I took you out in 27 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,520 Speaker 1: the backyard right now, I've got a big oak tree 28 00:02:18,600 --> 00:02:21,679 Speaker 1: back here. You think you could if I hand you 29 00:02:21,720 --> 00:02:23,440 Speaker 1: in knifef you think you could make it stick in 30 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: the tree, just wondering. 31 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:31,079 Speaker 2: No, I don't think I could do that, Joe, Yeah, 32 00:02:31,200 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 2: I wanted the same thing. I'm so glad you started 33 00:02:33,400 --> 00:02:36,760 Speaker 2: the show with this about the knife throwing. I've always thought, 34 00:02:37,440 --> 00:02:40,639 Speaker 2: unless you're actually one of these people who has like 35 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,120 Speaker 2: a whole pack of them, and they're different sizes and 36 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:45,720 Speaker 2: they're made for throwing as a as a why would 37 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:46,480 Speaker 2: you throw a knife? 38 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:46,839 Speaker 3: Why? 39 00:02:47,200 --> 00:02:53,080 Speaker 1: Movies ever? Two movies Desperado with Danny Trejo. He played 40 00:02:53,160 --> 00:02:55,920 Speaker 1: a knife wielding assassin in that, and he had a 41 00:02:56,040 --> 00:03:00,400 Speaker 1: vest with tiny throwing knives on it and a guy's 42 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 1: name it was James Coburn in The Magnificent Seven, and 43 00:03:04,520 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 1: he carried a knife down the back of his shirt 44 00:03:07,919 --> 00:03:10,079 Speaker 1: and he would wheeld this thing and throw it and 45 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:13,919 Speaker 1: it's really cool to see. Yeah, I think it's really cool. 46 00:03:14,160 --> 00:03:17,920 Speaker 1: But the odds, the odds that you were going to 47 00:03:17,960 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: be able to fatally you know, to bring about a 48 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,559 Speaker 1: catastrophic event with this knife. 49 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 2: More than the bodyguard. That was another one where through 50 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:31,959 Speaker 2: the knife at the guard. That was funny, Yeah, yeah 51 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,920 Speaker 2: it was. But but it's it's all fictional odds. And 52 00:03:35,960 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: I know that there are people out there, well, I 53 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 2: know people that throw knives, not in combat. 54 00:03:40,640 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: You don't not if. 55 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,880 Speaker 2: You're in a fight, why would you throw away your tool, 56 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 2: your I. 57 00:03:45,560 --> 00:03:50,000 Speaker 1: Know it's it's it's it's pretty pretty bizarre. So when 58 00:03:50,840 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 1: and we've covered this case before, as a matter of fact, 59 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:54,800 Speaker 1: we covered it I think a couple of years ago. 60 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: Now this is how long this has been going on. 61 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:02,200 Speaker 1: And we're talking about Courtney Clinty by the way, Yeah. 62 00:04:01,440 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 2: She is one of these New Age models where we 63 00:04:04,760 --> 00:04:07,560 Speaker 2: used to make jokes about people and career choices, how 64 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 2: rich people would oftentimes claim that they were a photographer 65 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 2: or a writer because those are a couple of occupations. 66 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,479 Speaker 2: You don't have to prove anything, you can claim it. 67 00:04:19,560 --> 00:04:21,600 Speaker 2: And nobody, you know, has a way of saying, are 68 00:04:21,640 --> 00:04:23,520 Speaker 2: you any good? Do you have any you know? No, 69 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:25,880 Speaker 2: I'm wealthy anyway. This is just what I claim is 70 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 2: an occupation. But we have this whole genre of internet models, 71 00:04:31,680 --> 00:04:34,599 Speaker 2: and in this particular case, Courtney Clinny wasn't her name 72 00:04:34,600 --> 00:04:35,800 Speaker 2: Courtney Taylor on? 73 00:04:36,960 --> 00:04:40,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think so. And then of course only fans. 74 00:04:40,080 --> 00:04:42,960 Speaker 2: Right, it's only fans, which is that We've had a 75 00:04:43,080 --> 00:04:46,040 Speaker 2: number of stories of young women on only fans. And look, 76 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 2: I don't care what a person does to make money. Yeah, 77 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:51,400 Speaker 2: two consenting adults. I'm libertarian all the way when it 78 00:04:51,440 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 2: comes to that, So whatever you do, fine, But we 79 00:04:54,800 --> 00:04:57,520 Speaker 2: have a number of cases of young women who have 80 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:01,359 Speaker 2: no other means of support except for what they produce online. 81 00:05:01,800 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 1: Yep. 82 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: And it just weirds me out that they can make 83 00:05:07,200 --> 00:05:08,000 Speaker 2: so much money. 84 00:05:08,360 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Oh amount, Well, you know, just down the road from us, 85 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: I guess it's in the suburb of Birmingham, we had the. 86 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:17,000 Speaker 2: Cat West. 87 00:05:17,520 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, Cat West, I mean literally that was right down 88 00:05:20,200 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 1: the road from us where that occurred. And remember she 89 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:25,719 Speaker 1: was sound dead out by the curb and she was 90 00:05:25,760 --> 00:05:30,279 Speaker 1: involved in this business with her husband and beautiful lady 91 00:05:30,720 --> 00:05:35,760 Speaker 1: a mother, And of course he was charged and subsequently 92 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:40,560 Speaker 1: tried and convicted. But she was the model that died 93 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 1: in this case. We've got a model that is charged 94 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:50,600 Speaker 1: with a homicide of a big dude of her boyfriend. Yeah. 95 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:51,200 Speaker 4: Yeah. 96 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 2: To give you a little background on it is she 97 00:05:53,760 --> 00:05:56,480 Speaker 2: was involved in a relationship where there was a lot 98 00:05:56,520 --> 00:06:01,119 Speaker 2: of police intervention. There were a lot of between these 99 00:06:01,160 --> 00:06:04,240 Speaker 2: two and to be honest with you, Joe, I have 100 00:06:04,440 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: seen a couple of them in particular. One fight I'm 101 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,479 Speaker 2: gonna putting fight in air quotes between Courtney's Clinney and 102 00:06:10,560 --> 00:06:16,720 Speaker 2: her boyfriend, Christian obum selly obum selly sell all right, 103 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 2: between Courtney and Christian, and she was the aggressor from 104 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,400 Speaker 2: from Jump Street. She gets on the elevator and she 105 00:06:26,480 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 2: is oh, she is mad. She's hitting he and he 106 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:30,760 Speaker 2: comes on. He's trying to calm her down. You can't 107 00:06:30,800 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 2: hear in the audio. You can only see the body, 108 00:06:33,680 --> 00:06:35,560 Speaker 2: you know, how they're working with one another, and he's 109 00:06:35,640 --> 00:06:38,400 Speaker 2: like totally hands off, be cool, you know, come on, 110 00:06:39,000 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: stop it, calm down, that kind of thing. And she's 111 00:06:41,560 --> 00:06:43,800 Speaker 2: trying to hit pull, She's trying to pull his hair, 112 00:06:43,880 --> 00:06:46,720 Speaker 2: scratch him. She is terrorizing this guy who is a 113 00:06:46,720 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 2: big man and he is choosing to not do anything 114 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:51,760 Speaker 2: other than try to calm her down. 115 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 1: And she in that moment. I've seen this dude in 116 00:06:54,880 --> 00:06:57,120 Speaker 1: that moment, he was a saint. Oh my god, I 117 00:06:57,120 --> 00:06:58,719 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta tell you, I don't know how you 118 00:06:58,760 --> 00:07:01,359 Speaker 1: were strained to self because she was really she was 119 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:02,360 Speaker 1: hammering on this guy. 120 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 4: I know. 121 00:07:03,040 --> 00:07:07,760 Speaker 1: And apparently that's not the only incident that had occurred, 122 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:08,680 Speaker 1: is that correct day. 123 00:07:09,440 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 2: It happened many times, Joe, many times, and so when 124 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: police were actually called on this last time, and I'm 125 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:19,680 Speaker 2: glad you mentioned it because her claim, her claim is 126 00:07:19,720 --> 00:07:21,200 Speaker 2: that they were in a fight. Now she claims to 127 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:24,560 Speaker 2: be the victim of domestic violence. She claims a lot 128 00:07:24,600 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: of things, and this man, Christian Obumselli, does not have 129 00:07:31,120 --> 00:07:33,600 Speaker 2: the opportunity to defend himself or his honor or his 130 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:38,480 Speaker 2: character because he's dead. Because she claims that she threw 131 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:44,880 Speaker 2: a knife and it just accidentally hit him. It was 132 00:07:44,880 --> 00:07:46,880 Speaker 2: a mistake, It was an accident. I wasn't trying to 133 00:07:46,960 --> 00:07:48,720 Speaker 2: hurt him. I wasn't trying to do anything. It just 134 00:07:48,880 --> 00:07:52,640 Speaker 2: it happened to hit him. And Joe, I don't know 135 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,520 Speaker 2: about you, but you told this at the very beginning 136 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,040 Speaker 2: if you're in a fight for your life, the one 137 00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: thing you don't do is get rid of your weapon. 138 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: So how does she throw a knife and end up 139 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:04,560 Speaker 2: hitting her boyfriend in such a way that it could 140 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:05,480 Speaker 2: cause his demise. 141 00:08:06,640 --> 00:08:11,600 Speaker 1: That's the big thing, because this knife was a kitchen knife. 142 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:15,520 Speaker 1: So if you and okay, let me back up and 143 00:08:15,600 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: just say that there are knives out there that are 144 00:08:18,400 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: created for throwing. They do exist. I have seen them, 145 00:08:23,040 --> 00:08:26,840 Speaker 1: I've handled them, I've never thrown one, and they have 146 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 1: a particular balance to it, and there is truly I 147 00:08:30,880 --> 00:08:32,959 Speaker 1: hate to say that it's an art form, but I'm 148 00:08:33,000 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: sure to the people that do this regularly, it is 149 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:39,520 Speaker 1: an art form. Not quite the same thing, but I mean, 150 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:41,679 Speaker 1: just you realize how many bars there are now that 151 00:08:41,760 --> 00:08:45,720 Speaker 1: have the axe throwing thing, and it's competitive. I kind 152 00:08:45,720 --> 00:08:48,040 Speaker 1: of want to do it. I've never done it, just 153 00:08:48,080 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 1: to throw an axe and get it to stick and 154 00:08:50,320 --> 00:08:53,600 Speaker 1: you know in the target down range. There's all kinds 155 00:08:53,640 --> 00:08:55,680 Speaker 1: of things that go into this. As far as the 156 00:08:55,679 --> 00:08:59,960 Speaker 1: biomechanics of this, how the weapon is held a niche, 157 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,480 Speaker 1: we're not even talking, we're not even at the point 158 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:06,440 Speaker 1: of throwing yet. So do you hold it by the 159 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: tip of the blade, mid range the blade or do 160 00:09:09,280 --> 00:09:11,920 Speaker 1: you hold it by the handle, and then what arm 161 00:09:11,960 --> 00:09:16,280 Speaker 1: angle are you tossing this thing? And the people that 162 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: throw them If you do like an overhanded throw, the 163 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 1: knife actually rotates, it'll rotate through the air. It kind 164 00:09:25,640 --> 00:09:28,760 Speaker 1: of spins on an axis as it And then I've 165 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:32,120 Speaker 1: always thought, well, how do they get this to do 166 00:09:32,160 --> 00:09:35,160 Speaker 1: this and then predict that it's actually going to embed 167 00:09:35,320 --> 00:09:38,320 Speaker 1: in the target. And then when it embeds, there's no 168 00:09:38,400 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 1: guarantee that it's going to have sufficient depth to stick. 169 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: And if you're throwing it at a human, now you're 170 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:54,600 Speaker 1: talking about somebody that is moving. You're talking about positionality, 171 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: because most people don't stand still unless you're in a carnival, 172 00:09:58,800 --> 00:10:01,040 Speaker 1: you know, and they've got somebody againgainst the wall and 173 00:10:01,080 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 1: they're you know, they're holding uh uh, you know, holding 174 00:10:04,760 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 1: a balloon in their teeth. 175 00:10:05,920 --> 00:10:07,200 Speaker 2: You know, those of you who are a little bit 176 00:10:07,240 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 2: older than Joe and I. It was an actor named 177 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:13,120 Speaker 2: Ed Aains. He actually played a big Western guy on 178 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,160 Speaker 2: TV and one of his things in the TV show 179 00:10:16,200 --> 00:10:18,800 Speaker 2: was throwing axes. And he was on Johnny Carson's Tonight 180 00:10:18,880 --> 00:10:21,880 Speaker 2: Show where he did a demonstration of throwing the axes, 181 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,840 Speaker 2: and one of the axes that landed right between they 182 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: had a drawing of an outline of a man and 183 00:10:27,559 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: I landed right between, right in the guy's crotch. Yeah, 184 00:10:30,040 --> 00:10:31,920 Speaker 2: And he said, I had no idea you were Jewish. 185 00:10:32,000 --> 00:10:34,840 Speaker 2: There you go. And the thing is is that that's 186 00:10:34,840 --> 00:10:36,800 Speaker 2: the only time you see things like this, Joe. You 187 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: don't see them in real life. 188 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 1: No you don't. And you made me reflect back to 189 00:10:41,440 --> 00:10:44,240 Speaker 1: the movie The Jerk with Bernadette Peters and she says, 190 00:10:44,960 --> 00:10:48,520 Speaker 1: she says to Steve Martin, I've learned a new trick today, honey. 191 00:10:48,559 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: And they've got all this money and you know, and 192 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: he says, yeah, let me say, and she says, do 193 00:10:54,200 --> 00:10:56,560 Speaker 1: you have a balloon? He says, wait, hang on, yeah, 194 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:58,120 Speaker 1: I just happened to have one. He sticks it in 195 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,079 Speaker 1: his mouth and he's says, now, make sure you throw 196 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 1: it real hard. So it's a stick back to the 197 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: story at hand. It's one of those things where she 198 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: is saying that she's taken a kitchen knife in a 199 00:11:28,480 --> 00:11:32,200 Speaker 1: heated argument, and this is what she has told the police. 200 00:11:33,200 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 1: And of course this information has passed along to the 201 00:11:35,640 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 1: medical examiner and she wielded this knife in a manner 202 00:11:39,920 --> 00:11:44,360 Speaker 1: that she threw it at him. Now, when she says 203 00:11:44,400 --> 00:11:47,239 Speaker 1: that she threw it at him, this is where lawyers 204 00:11:47,679 --> 00:11:52,320 Speaker 1: can dance because did you throw it at him with intent? 205 00:11:52,960 --> 00:11:54,800 Speaker 1: You know that sort of thing. So they're going to 206 00:11:54,840 --> 00:11:58,679 Speaker 1: go round and round about this what the medical examiner though, 207 00:11:59,240 --> 00:12:05,080 Speaker 1: that did the exam emination in Florida stated and opined 208 00:12:05,320 --> 00:12:11,800 Speaker 1: about this. They said, the doctor said very specifically that 209 00:12:11,880 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 1: this is not something consistent with with someone throwing a 210 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: knife and having it stick. All right, First off, the 211 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:32,640 Speaker 1: knife penetrated. The knife penetrated roughly eight centimeters. And just 212 00:12:32,760 --> 00:12:40,600 Speaker 1: let me give you an idea as to that kind 213 00:12:40,640 --> 00:12:44,480 Speaker 1: of depth so that everybody understands it's just over that 214 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,720 Speaker 1: would be eight centimeters, would actually be just over three 215 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:52,280 Speaker 1: inches in depth. Now, everybody, within the sound of my 216 00:12:52,400 --> 00:12:57,119 Speaker 1: voice right now, find your right collarbone otherwise known as claviical. 217 00:12:57,360 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: All right, so your right collarbone and drop down. You 218 00:13:02,800 --> 00:13:05,400 Speaker 1: can anywhere along it, but just find the mid the 219 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,040 Speaker 1: mid portion of the shaft of this drop down about 220 00:13:09,240 --> 00:13:12,440 Speaker 1: half an inch, all right. You get to that half 221 00:13:12,440 --> 00:13:17,920 Speaker 1: an inch mark that in fact is just beneath that 222 00:13:17,920 --> 00:13:21,079 Speaker 1: that area is where one of the major vessels in 223 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:26,080 Speaker 1: your in your body rest and it is very critical. 224 00:13:26,160 --> 00:13:30,120 Speaker 1: This is not like you're nicking some little secondary vessel 225 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:36,760 Speaker 1: throughout your body. This is where the right subclavicular artery 226 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,800 Speaker 1: rest and it is a major blood supply. And let 227 00:13:39,800 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: me tell you how major it is. It showed it 228 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:50,200 Speaker 1: shares a common trunk with the right karated vessel. And 229 00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 1: of course the right karated vessel is the vessel that 230 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,720 Speaker 1: in one of the vessels, the right end, the left 231 00:13:57,120 --> 00:14:02,800 Speaker 1: krotid arteries supply the brain with blood, and so it 232 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:06,600 Speaker 1: shunts off and supplies the periphery with blood. And there's 233 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 1: a lot of pressure behind it. So if you clip 234 00:14:08,920 --> 00:14:13,040 Speaker 1: that vessel, if you clip that vessel, you're going to 235 00:14:13,080 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: bleed out really really quickly. The reason I'm giving this 236 00:14:17,280 --> 00:14:21,720 Speaker 1: little anatomy lesson here is when you think about her 237 00:14:21,800 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: relationship with this big man, how are you going to 238 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 1: target that specific area? How much energy do you think 239 00:14:30,920 --> 00:14:34,960 Speaker 1: that this tiny woman, and she is tiny, particularly compared 240 00:14:34,960 --> 00:14:39,120 Speaker 1: to Christian, how does she generate enough energy to throw 241 00:14:39,160 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: this thing and have it not just kind of stick superficially, 242 00:14:44,600 --> 00:14:48,720 Speaker 1: maybe like a needle in a SubQ shot that you 243 00:14:48,760 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: get injection at the dot. We're talking three inches into 244 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: the body, Dave, three inches a kitchen knife. All right, 245 00:14:56,120 --> 00:15:00,880 Speaker 1: this thing is buried beneath his collar. Mone goes into 246 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:08,000 Speaker 1: into this right subclave, artery and buddy, unless you had 247 00:15:09,640 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: I don't, unless you had a staff of cardiothoracic surgeons 248 00:15:16,800 --> 00:15:20,680 Speaker 1: with the nurses and all of the instruments, you ain't living. 249 00:15:21,560 --> 00:15:25,160 Speaker 1: You're not living. And what was really tragic? I remember 250 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: hearing a recording. It seems they had this. I think 251 00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:33,640 Speaker 1: she's it's a non one one call where you can 252 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:41,080 Speaker 1: hear Christian in the background. 253 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 3: Operated emergency man. Listen to me. 254 00:15:52,000 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 4: You need to stop steaming on the line, giddy diager. 255 00:15:58,040 --> 00:16:03,120 Speaker 3: You have a god taking my arm one on one 256 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:05,600 Speaker 3: one man, my good friend. 257 00:16:05,480 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 4: And what is the address? 258 00:16:09,080 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 3: What bleed? 259 00:16:16,560 --> 00:16:18,120 Speaker 4: God? Break come to my. 260 00:16:20,760 --> 00:16:22,440 Speaker 2: That's the first part of that nine to one one 261 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: called Joe. And you can hear, uh, you've got Courtney 262 00:16:25,160 --> 00:16:27,120 Speaker 2: Clinny and the nine one dispatch, but you can hear 263 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 2: in the background, you can hear Christian saying I'm going 264 00:16:30,840 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 2: to die. I can't feel my arm. What does that mean? 265 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:41,160 Speaker 1: He is fading and fading fast. Now they wound up 266 00:16:41,320 --> 00:16:45,080 Speaker 1: taking him from the scene to the hospital, and of 267 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 1: course by the time they get to the er, it's 268 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 1: over with. I mean, they pronounced him dead there. So 269 00:16:51,800 --> 00:16:54,800 Speaker 1: when the police, you know, actually begin to work the scene, 270 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:58,520 Speaker 1: when the detectives worked the scene, all this left is 271 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:02,960 Speaker 1: Courtney Clinny and she is super saturated with blood. The 272 00:17:03,040 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 1: thing that stands out to me most there was a 273 00:17:05,640 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: still image of her that was taken because dude, disapartment 274 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: that they lived in. I don't know about everybody else, 275 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: but I know enough about you and I Dave. We 276 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:19,040 Speaker 1: could never afford to live in this place. I mean, 277 00:17:19,200 --> 00:17:23,399 Speaker 1: it is a swinky pad and it's you know, in 278 00:17:23,440 --> 00:17:28,000 Speaker 1: a high rise in South Florida. And there's an image 279 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: of her where she is seated and it's through a 280 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:32,840 Speaker 1: glass and you can see she's got blood all over 281 00:17:33,000 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 1: and there's blood all over the floor, which is consistent 282 00:17:35,480 --> 00:17:37,880 Speaker 1: because one of the things that we look for in 283 00:17:39,680 --> 00:17:44,280 Speaker 1: blood pattern interpretation. And I know we've talked about this, 284 00:17:44,359 --> 00:17:49,040 Speaker 1: but so our friends know, there's something called arterial spray. 285 00:17:49,119 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: There's so much pressure behind this particular vessel that has 286 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 1: the heart is pumping, okay, and remember this thing is 287 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,639 Speaker 1: truncated off of the off of the order, and then 288 00:17:59,680 --> 00:18:02,880 Speaker 1: it's blitz after it comes off the A order. Once 289 00:18:02,960 --> 00:18:07,760 Speaker 1: I go becomes coroated the other subclave, you've got this 290 00:18:07,880 --> 00:18:10,720 Speaker 1: pressure that's coming out. He would have sprayed blood all 291 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:13,199 Speaker 1: over the place and all over her, So she's in 292 00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: close contact with that they this is a very and 293 00:18:20,200 --> 00:18:24,119 Speaker 1: I think back you talked about how passive he was 294 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,840 Speaker 1: in the elevator, and I really wonder if that history 295 00:18:29,920 --> 00:18:34,840 Speaker 1: translates to this event. He's not thinking, certainly, she's not 296 00:18:34,920 --> 00:18:37,439 Speaker 1: going to bury the knife in my chest. I'm going 297 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:38,480 Speaker 1: to talk her down. 298 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:39,640 Speaker 3: Brother. 299 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. It didn't happen like that. It didn't 300 00:18:42,040 --> 00:18:43,720 Speaker 1: happen at all, Joe. 301 00:18:43,760 --> 00:18:45,840 Speaker 2: That's why I mentioned the elevator, because that was just 302 00:18:45,880 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 2: a couple of weeks before you know this happened. Police 303 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,720 Speaker 2: were called out there many times, many times, and there 304 00:18:52,880 --> 00:18:56,720 Speaker 2: was a history of violence between the two of them 305 00:18:57,359 --> 00:19:00,359 Speaker 2: that based on his size and based on her size, 306 00:19:00,400 --> 00:19:06,800 Speaker 2: and based on her alleged use of alcohol and drugs, 307 00:19:07,000 --> 00:19:10,720 Speaker 2: and not totally being because when she was actually arrested, 308 00:19:10,720 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 2: she was arrested in Hawaii while she was there to 309 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:17,880 Speaker 2: undergo treatment for alcoholism and drug addiction, and I want 310 00:19:17,880 --> 00:19:20,159 Speaker 2: to go back for just a minute, because in watching 311 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,960 Speaker 2: the video on the elevator, I watched it knowing the 312 00:19:26,040 --> 00:19:29,640 Speaker 2: end result, knowing that this man died at her hand. 313 00:19:29,720 --> 00:19:32,080 Speaker 2: She never denies that. She does not deny that she 314 00:19:32,200 --> 00:19:35,919 Speaker 2: did this, Okay, but we have to believe that she 315 00:19:36,080 --> 00:19:39,400 Speaker 2: claims he threw her to the ground in their apartment, 316 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 2: and that she grabs a kitchen knife. She's ten feet 317 00:19:42,160 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: away and she throws it at him and it hits 318 00:19:43,840 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 2: his collarbhone, just below his collarphone. As you explained, Joe, 319 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,720 Speaker 2: which by the way, I had no idea what you 320 00:19:49,840 --> 00:19:54,479 Speaker 2: told me today. I had no idea that's what we 321 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 2: were talking about in terms of blood, right, I didn't 322 00:19:56,600 --> 00:19:58,520 Speaker 2: know that was a deadly spot. I would have thought 323 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 2: kind of like she yourself through the arm and claimed 324 00:20:01,080 --> 00:20:03,760 Speaker 2: the bushy haired stranger, didn't. I didn't know that it shot. 325 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 2: I didn't know a knifound there would do that. But 326 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:09,320 Speaker 2: it was plunged three inches deep. And you know you're 327 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 2: not that thick right there anyway. 328 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 1: No, No you're not. It's it's immediately superior to well, 329 00:20:16,320 --> 00:20:18,960 Speaker 1: it's actually in the upper range of like there's there 330 00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,639 Speaker 1: are other muscular structures. But if you think about your 331 00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,520 Speaker 1: pectoral muscle that's right there, You're going to pass through that. 332 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:29,120 Speaker 1: And here's the thing, Dave, there is you know your 333 00:20:29,200 --> 00:20:34,719 Speaker 1: ribs actually begin Let's see, your first rib kind of 334 00:20:35,359 --> 00:20:40,080 Speaker 1: doesn't really communicate, but it approximates the collarbone. And people 335 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 1: don't realize your ribs kind of go up that high, 336 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 1: but they do, and then they begin to wrap around 337 00:20:45,320 --> 00:20:49,919 Speaker 1: the body. So not only is she below the collarbone, 338 00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: but she would have had to have slipped us in 339 00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: between the collarbone and the first rib and go through 340 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 1: the petrol muscle. So it's not just that it's three 341 00:20:57,880 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: inches into his body. If you take a look at 342 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:06,120 Speaker 1: Christian's uh form, he's very robust. I mean, you can 343 00:21:06,160 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: tell dude who spent time on the weight bench. He's 344 00:21:10,560 --> 00:21:13,400 Speaker 1: he's I mean, he is in shape, you know, he's 345 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: he's a big robust dude. And so she's got to 346 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:22,000 Speaker 1: penetrate all of that. The reason I'm saying that is 347 00:21:22,040 --> 00:21:25,640 Speaker 1: that there would have had she with her size, would 348 00:21:25,640 --> 00:21:31,959 Speaker 1: have had to have generated a tremendous amount of energy 349 00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: in order to do that. And you know what creates 350 00:21:33,920 --> 00:21:52,800 Speaker 1: energy in human beings. Rage I'm thinking, you know, Adrenaline's pumping. 351 00:21:54,000 --> 00:21:56,920 Speaker 1: Things have gotten out of hand at this point, and 352 00:21:57,000 --> 00:21:59,800 Speaker 1: for whatever reason she said, she decides to attack him, 353 00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: and you know, the medical examiner at this point has 354 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,240 Speaker 1: stated that, you know that this is inconsistent. Now this 355 00:22:08,320 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 1: is not She's merely charged. It's not gone to trial yet. 356 00:22:12,000 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 1: I mean we're still what two years afterwards, I think 357 00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,680 Speaker 1: at this point in time approximately, and this thing still 358 00:22:18,680 --> 00:22:22,520 Speaker 1: hasn't made it to trial yet. It will, but this 359 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 1: is going to be one of one of the questions 360 00:22:26,600 --> 00:22:28,520 Speaker 1: they're going to ask, and I can predict it of 361 00:22:28,560 --> 00:22:34,040 Speaker 1: the pathologists. Doctor, you have made the statement, you know, 362 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: in this court document and it is you know, we 363 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: have a copy of it where you say that this 364 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:43,919 Speaker 1: is this is not consistent with a thrown knife. And 365 00:22:44,000 --> 00:22:46,880 Speaker 1: I think the doctor has also come out and said, well, 366 00:22:47,080 --> 00:22:50,679 Speaker 1: I've never seen a throne knife case. But they're going 367 00:22:50,760 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: to get him on the stand and they're going to 368 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 1: talk about this and say, well, how can you make 369 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,399 Speaker 1: that judgment? You know, you you put forth this is 370 00:22:57,520 --> 00:23:00,159 Speaker 1: she she's saying that she's admitting, you know, just like 371 00:23:00,200 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: you said that she did it. She has and this 372 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:07,160 Speaker 1: is the method that I employed, you know, and I'm 373 00:23:07,200 --> 00:23:10,040 Speaker 1: sure that they can say or put the thought in 374 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,720 Speaker 1: the jurors minds that hey, look, she was a fit 375 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,680 Speaker 1: of rage. She was just throwing the knife to try 376 00:23:15,720 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 1: to get him off of her or make him stand down. 377 00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: And then they're going to come to the forensic pathologist 378 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 1: and they're going to say, well, if you've never worked 379 00:23:24,640 --> 00:23:27,080 Speaker 1: one of these cases, how do you know that it 380 00:23:27,119 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: couldn't happen? Is it within the realm of possibility? And 381 00:23:30,160 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 1: the doctor will have to say, I guess it is possible. 382 00:23:35,160 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 1: So that's it's interesting that that seed has been planted. 383 00:23:38,600 --> 00:23:44,120 Speaker 1: But Dave, I understand that along with this reveal there 384 00:23:44,119 --> 00:23:50,400 Speaker 1: are actually some other elements to this case that need 385 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: to be addressed and need to be updated. At this 386 00:23:53,119 --> 00:23:54,000 Speaker 1: point in time. 387 00:23:54,200 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: There have been a number of issues between the prosecution 388 00:23:58,440 --> 00:24:00,920 Speaker 2: and the defense, as there always are is they battle 389 00:24:01,040 --> 00:24:03,520 Speaker 2: back and forth for what evidence is going in and 390 00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,879 Speaker 2: what is staying out. And one thing came down to 391 00:24:07,840 --> 00:24:13,400 Speaker 2: the laptop that was owned by Christian Omselli and Courtney 392 00:24:13,400 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 2: Clinney because it was what she claims as community property 393 00:24:17,359 --> 00:24:19,479 Speaker 2: and it was in their apartment where they both lived, 394 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:27,679 Speaker 2: and in trying to access the password that Christian used 395 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:30,359 Speaker 2: to I don't know what they were trying to get to, 396 00:24:30,760 --> 00:24:33,359 Speaker 2: one can assume, but that doesn't do any good. But 397 00:24:33,480 --> 00:24:39,960 Speaker 2: the prosecution was able to find information communication between Courtney 398 00:24:39,960 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 2: Clinny's parents and the attorneys as they were trying to 399 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:47,280 Speaker 2: figure out different passwords that Christian may have made up 400 00:24:47,280 --> 00:24:51,640 Speaker 2: and used to access this computer. Prosecutors got a hold 401 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,879 Speaker 2: of these communications, these emails, these text messages back and 402 00:24:54,920 --> 00:24:58,880 Speaker 2: forth and found out what was going on and said, hey, 403 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 2: wait a minute, you can't you know, And so they 404 00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,800 Speaker 2: charged the parents with trying to break in and charge 405 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:07,920 Speaker 2: them with a burglary charge for trying to break into 406 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:14,800 Speaker 2: this laptop. And they're like, wait a minute, that's information 407 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:19,560 Speaker 2: that is not shareable. That's attorney client privilege. You can't 408 00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 2: have that. And a judge just ruled that the prosecution 409 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:29,159 Speaker 2: did violate attorney client privilege by accessing this communication between 410 00:25:29,440 --> 00:25:33,679 Speaker 2: Courtney Clinney's parents and the attorney. And so now this 411 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 2: whole batch of evidence the prosecution was banking on having 412 00:25:36,920 --> 00:25:37,880 Speaker 2: they no longer have. 413 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:41,640 Speaker 1: Wow, that's that's a big blow. And let me tell 414 00:25:41,680 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: you why, because this goes to I think remember how 415 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,320 Speaker 1: I mentioned this high dollar apartment that they're in oh yeah, 416 00:25:50,480 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: or condo, you know, however you want to frame it. 417 00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm just old country boy, you know, I don't understand 418 00:25:56,680 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 1: these things necessarily, but it's it's value is astronomical. Well, 419 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,480 Speaker 1: there's there's a certain amount of money that you have 420 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,760 Speaker 1: to have in order to maintain this lifestyle. And you 421 00:26:08,760 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 1: know you mentioned early on, you know about how much 422 00:26:12,320 --> 00:26:16,480 Speaker 1: money comes in. Well, they're they're essentially and you talked 423 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:19,920 Speaker 1: about community property. They're essentially in a business relationship. It's 424 00:26:20,000 --> 00:26:23,480 Speaker 1: not just a romantic thing. They're in a business relationship. 425 00:26:23,520 --> 00:26:26,560 Speaker 1: So any of that data that was contained on that 426 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:33,679 Speaker 1: hard drive could potentially give more clues, more insight, and 427 00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,520 Speaker 1: for us, you know, in forensics, we use digital forensics 428 00:26:37,560 --> 00:26:41,840 Speaker 1: to go back in time. It's amazing, you know, with 429 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 1: all of these devices that we carry around with us, 430 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: whether it's a laptop or maybe an old fashioned CPU 431 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:55,960 Speaker 1: at home, or certainly our phone, you think about that 432 00:26:56,080 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 1: reveals quite a bit of history, you know, dates, time, times, 433 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: exchanges of money or intake. And here's the other thing. 434 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:11,280 Speaker 1: There are sex videos as well. I think they're you 435 00:27:11,320 --> 00:27:15,040 Speaker 1: know that are related to I guess only fans and 436 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:18,879 Speaker 1: maybe other things. We have no idea, but man, I 437 00:27:18,920 --> 00:27:21,960 Speaker 1: mean that that's all you're saying, that's all going to 438 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:24,919 Speaker 1: be excluded. Anything that was contained on that CP. 439 00:27:24,760 --> 00:27:25,159 Speaker 4: You're going to have. 440 00:27:25,880 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna have all of it out. The thing is, 441 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,240 Speaker 2: imagine this Joe Courtney Taylor. That's Courtney Cliney. The name 442 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 2: Courtney Clinty went by online only fans and Instagram. She 443 00:27:35,320 --> 00:27:41,600 Speaker 2: had two million followers on Instagram. That's making bank. This 444 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:43,480 Speaker 2: is the kind of money that you don't make at 445 00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:45,480 Speaker 2: this age. This is the kind of money unless you 446 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 2: inherit it. You don't traditionally make this kind of money 447 00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 2: that she was pulling down. And the thing is Christian Bobselli. 448 00:27:52,200 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 2: He was a computer guy. He was big into cryptocurrency. 449 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:58,359 Speaker 2: And for those of you who have seen what has 450 00:27:58,400 --> 00:28:01,040 Speaker 2: happened in that world in the last ten year years, yes, 451 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,639 Speaker 2: you know there there have been crypto billionaires and you know, 452 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 2: created where they spent ten cents to buy you know, 453 00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:11,159 Speaker 2: however many shares of some crypto and now you know 454 00:28:11,200 --> 00:28:13,440 Speaker 2: they sold for forty five thousand a share kind of thing. 455 00:28:13,440 --> 00:28:15,760 Speaker 2: I mean, this is a crazy time in the world 456 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:17,960 Speaker 2: of cryptocurrency. If you got in and out at the 457 00:28:18,000 --> 00:28:18,480 Speaker 2: right time. 458 00:28:19,040 --> 00:28:22,440 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, and so you know the old adage 459 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,200 Speaker 1: of you know, money being the root of all evil, 460 00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:27,040 Speaker 1: which I don't necessarily adhere. 461 00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:27,840 Speaker 2: To evil other evil. 462 00:28:28,280 --> 00:28:30,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, the love of money. Thank you. You're right, You're 463 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:36,440 Speaker 1: absolutely right, and you know it's it is a tool. 464 00:28:36,880 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 1: And the thing about it is, if if there if 465 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:44,840 Speaker 1: the prosecution were to say, have to move forward with 466 00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: this case, and there is evidence that could have been 467 00:28:49,160 --> 00:28:51,520 Speaker 1: on that hard drive and this was a final the 468 00:28:51,640 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: root of this may have been to borrow that phrase, 469 00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,800 Speaker 1: The root of could have been some kind of financial 470 00:28:58,800 --> 00:29:03,440 Speaker 1: distress or discrept and see or argument that was going on. Man. 471 00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: That's that's a foundational part to the case. And what 472 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:09,480 Speaker 1: a train wreck that could potentially be. 473 00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,800 Speaker 2: Something else that came out Joe after the death of 474 00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:17,000 Speaker 2: christianumm Selly. No, many of us have already seen the 475 00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:21,280 Speaker 2: police video of Courtney Clinty directed right after this. You know, 476 00:29:21,400 --> 00:29:24,360 Speaker 2: you mentioned the blood, you mentioned you know, how she 477 00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 2: was acting right afterwards. You this was not a planned event, 478 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,480 Speaker 2: you know, it was in my mind's eye. I'm just 479 00:29:33,480 --> 00:29:35,440 Speaker 2: an amateur at this. I don't I'm not a cop, 480 00:29:35,480 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 2: I'm not a detective or a lawyer. But the way 481 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:39,960 Speaker 2: she was acting afterwards, you know a lot. She admitted 482 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,120 Speaker 2: I did it. It was an accident. We were fighting, okay, gotcha. 483 00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 2: Two months after this, eight weeks after, she is so 484 00:29:46,760 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 2: bloody and standing there in front of the cops saying, 485 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,520 Speaker 2: I just killed my boyfriend. Oh my goodness. Well she 486 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 2: didn't know he was dead as they wheeled him out, 487 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:55,880 Speaker 2: but they everybody else did. They knew he's not going 488 00:29:55,960 --> 00:29:58,240 Speaker 2: to make it. I couldn't from the amount of blood 489 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 2: he was losing. Which I'm so glad you explained that earlier, Joe, 490 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 2: because I've talked to this a number of people about 491 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,040 Speaker 2: how could one knife wound there at your collarbone really 492 00:30:07,040 --> 00:30:09,880 Speaker 2: cause all this? And I'm so thankful for that because 493 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,920 Speaker 2: I didn't know. But two months later, Courtney is with 494 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:18,800 Speaker 2: her parents in Texas and in this Texas neighborhood regular 495 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,520 Speaker 2: not the Florida high rise she's living in, but just 496 00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:28,880 Speaker 2: a regular family neighborhood. She actually gets she has run 497 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 2: in with the law, and according to deputies on the 498 00:30:36,920 --> 00:30:40,760 Speaker 2: scene in Travis County, Texas, which is the Austin area, 499 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:43,960 Speaker 2: they respond to an incident with Courtney clenty eight weeks 500 00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 2: after the murder of her boyfriend or eighteen year old 501 00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:50,360 Speaker 2: boy said he was walking in the neighborhood when he 502 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 2: was approached by a woman who was walking her dogs 503 00:30:54,000 --> 00:30:58,840 Speaker 2: and who told him she was drunk. She approaches This 504 00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:03,600 Speaker 2: is what the father says. Jovon is the kid's name. 505 00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,080 Speaker 2: He's eighteen years old. His dad says, she approached him, 506 00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 2: what my son said, visibly intoxicated, and she's like, hey, 507 00:31:11,320 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 2: what's your name. The woman is Courtney Clinny, who the 508 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:21,040 Speaker 2: teen didn't know. She requested that he walk home with her. 509 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,640 Speaker 2: He agrees because he's eighteen years old and she's hot, 510 00:31:25,960 --> 00:31:28,920 Speaker 2: and she starts making sexual advances towards him. He's eighteen. 511 00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 2: He's not ready for this. He was thinking, I'm gonna 512 00:31:31,560 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 2: walk this cute drunk girl home, but she takes it 513 00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: a step further, and a step further, and a step further, 514 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 2: to the point where she's putting physical moves on him. 515 00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,440 Speaker 2: She doesn't know this guy, Joe. They just met walking 516 00:31:43,480 --> 00:31:46,200 Speaker 2: on the street. She's walking her dogs. She's saying kiss me, 517 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:49,760 Speaker 2: and he's like, no, I don't know you. If you 518 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,520 Speaker 2: don't kiss me, I'm gonna burn your house down. 519 00:31:53,960 --> 00:31:54,840 Speaker 1: Holy smokes. 520 00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:57,120 Speaker 2: That's what Courtney Clinnie told his eighteen year old she 521 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: just met in her parents neighborhood and I burned that 522 00:32:01,240 --> 00:32:05,080 Speaker 2: blank down. So that's why they called deputies. The team, 523 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:08,600 Speaker 2: you know, wasn't really interested in doing anything else with her. 524 00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,840 Speaker 2: And when the cops showed up, Clinty Courtney Clinny then 525 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,960 Speaker 2: freaks out. She shoves his father, physically attacks him. He 526 00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:22,000 Speaker 2: shoves her back, calls police, deputy show up, She's freaking out. 527 00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,320 Speaker 2: This became a total bruja haa between Courtney Clinny, a 528 00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 2: dad and his eighteen year old son in their nice, 529 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:33,040 Speaker 2: quiet family neighborhood because she's out drunk, walking dogs and 530 00:32:33,120 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 2: hitting on an eighteen year old guy. So there you 531 00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:37,920 Speaker 2: have it. 532 00:32:39,200 --> 00:32:42,400 Speaker 1: Really, yeah, I'm wondering how if this is going to 533 00:32:42,480 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: factor in and if this will be factored in in 534 00:32:46,480 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: the case in Florida. More than likely it won't. But 535 00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: if you're looking at this case to try to understand 536 00:32:54,800 --> 00:33:00,520 Speaker 1: perhaps behavior patterns, huh, this is kind of this is 537 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 1: I think that it's kind of significant perhaps, and and 538 00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:07,160 Speaker 1: we're not This is not a one off event because 539 00:33:07,200 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 1: if you go back obviously to that violent night that 540 00:33:10,280 --> 00:33:14,080 Speaker 1: into Christian's life, and then extend back to all these 541 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:19,400 Speaker 1: other domestic beefs that occurred at that location, including that 542 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:24,120 Speaker 1: thing that has witnessed on the CCTV in the elevator. 543 00:33:24,680 --> 00:33:29,360 Speaker 1: It could be a portent of things to come. I'm 544 00:33:29,440 --> 00:33:33,240 Speaker 1: Joseph Scott Morgan and this is bodybags.