Speaker 1: Hey, good morning everybody.
Speaker 2: It is Sunday, February first, and a strongly worded, ominous
Speaker 2: yet vague warning from President Trump to protesters in Minneapolis.
Speaker 1: But the president's.
Speaker 2: Words may not have been the strongest words we heard
Speaker 2: about Minneapolis yesterday.
Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes.
Speaker 2: I'm talking specifically here. Yes, we're gonna get into what
Speaker 2: Trump said first. But he just lost a case in court,
Speaker 2: and the judge didn't just say you lost. He gave
Speaker 2: the administration a civics beat down.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say a verbal spanking. And it
Speaker 3: was dripping in sarcasm.
Speaker 4: And it was while he was making the ruling he
Speaker 4: made his.
Speaker 3: Feelings very known about what he thinks of the Trump
Speaker 3: administration and how they have acted over this first year.
Speaker 3: And it's well, let's just say, you know exactly where
Speaker 3: he stands.
Speaker 4: He does not mince words.
Speaker 1: What are they?
Speaker 2: The phrase activist judges gets thrown around a lot, and look,
Speaker 2: he could have done this ruling. And again, the ruling
Speaker 2: was about the little five year old boy who, of
Speaker 2: course we've all seen those heartbreaking images of him being
Speaker 2: taken into custody by ice. Well, this case, the judge
Speaker 2: rule that he has to be released he and his father. Okay, fine,
Speaker 2: but it was a whole lot more than that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I don't know what are judges allowed to do? Is
Speaker 2: this okay? But this was more than just I'm upset
Speaker 2: with what you did. It was sarcastic, it was insulting,
Speaker 2: so a certain.
Speaker 3: Way, oh beyond, And I do think, Look, this is
Speaker 3: I get that as a judge, you do have a pulpit,
Speaker 3: so to speak, and you have been put in that
Speaker 3: position because you have earned the right and the experience
Speaker 3: and you know the law.
Speaker 4: And all of that.
Speaker 3: Yes, but when you use the rhetoric that he used
Speaker 3: to make a judgment that very well may be the
Speaker 3: right judgment.
Speaker 4: I think a lot of people agree with this, judge.
Speaker 3: But now you've just you've just upped all of the mudslinging,
Speaker 3: and you've just you've ratcheted up the temperature. You've it's
Speaker 3: just putting us into us versus them. I'm right, you're wrong,
Speaker 3: you're bad, I'm good, and that just never ends.
Speaker 1: Well.
Speaker 2: Uh so we're going to get into that in the second,
Speaker 2: but let's get into first what the president said last night.
Speaker 1: We did see a protests.
Speaker 2: We should mention across the country last night protests and
Speaker 2: solidary with what's happening in Minneapolis. But the President yesterday
Speaker 2: put out a pretty long truth social post robes in
Speaker 2: which he said he has directed the Department of Homeland
Speaker 2: Security to start doing things differently on the ground. First
Speaker 2: of all, he said, we are not going to be
Speaker 2: responding to these riots and whatnot unless locals ask, And
Speaker 2: a lot of people will say.
Speaker 1: Awesome, Yes, that sounds that's great. But he went farther.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, so, yeah, we're not going to come
Speaker 3: help you unless you ask, which I think actually is
Speaker 3: a great policy going forward, and I think the folks
Speaker 3: of Minneapolis would agree with that as well.
Speaker 4: Los Angeles would agree with that as well.
Speaker 3: Here's what he wrote, though, Please be aware that I
Speaker 3: have instructed ICE and were Border Patrol to be very
Speaker 3: forceful in this protection of federal government property. Let me
Speaker 3: back up a little bit, because he said we won't
Speaker 3: go in unless ask, but we will protect federal buildings,
Speaker 3: and he was referring to what happened in Eugene, Oregon.
Speaker 3: There will be no spitting in the faces of our officers.
Speaker 3: There will be no punching or kicking the headlights of
Speaker 3: our cars, and there will be no rock or brick
Speaker 3: throwing at our vehicles or at our patriot warriors. If
Speaker 3: there is, those people will suffer an equal or more consequence.
Speaker 2: So he writes that, and we're going to get more.
Speaker 2: He did say a whole lot more. But he writes this,
Speaker 2: and then he ends up on the Air Force one
Speaker 2: last night he does a press gaggle and he doubled
Speaker 2: down on that by saying, ropes, if they do anything
Speaker 2: bad to our people, they will have to suffer.
Speaker 3: That's ominous and vague. You said that at the beginning,
Speaker 3: And that's scary because what does suffer mean?
Speaker 4: That could mean a whole host of things.
Speaker 2: Here is, if you piece this together, it's not hard
Speaker 2: to piece together. He is, in this comment, at least
Speaker 2: on social media, is making a direct reference to what
Speaker 2: Alex Pretty did. And he said people will have to suffer.
Speaker 2: It's almost he's almost justifying, Yeah, you spin our people,
Speaker 2: you kick our thing, You're gonna have to suffer.
Speaker 1: He died.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was going to say, does suffer also
Speaker 3: include death? Because that did sound like what he was saying.
Speaker 3: He specifically referred to what we saw Alex pretty do
Speaker 3: on that video that was released this past week, eleven
Speaker 3: days before his death.
Speaker 4: He was specifically referencing that.
Speaker 2: He goes on here and again, it was last night, Eugene, Right, yeah, okay, yes,
Speaker 2: last night a federal building was in their words, attacked.
Speaker 2: But this was a significant and this wasn't just outside
Speaker 2: of a building yelling and creamy. That was some property
Speaker 2: damage here, do yes?
Speaker 1: All right?
Speaker 2: The President goes on, saying, if local governments are unable
Speaker 2: to handle the insurrectionist, agitators and anarchists, we will immediately
Speaker 2: go to the location where such help is requested and
Speaker 2: take care of the situation very easily and methodically.
Speaker 1: Here's where it gets good roes.
Speaker 2: Therefore, to all complaining local governments, governors and mayors, let
Speaker 2: us know when you're ready, and we will be there.
Speaker 2: This sounds great, right, Yes, we're doing great. Finally, he continues,
Speaker 2: but before we do so, you must use the word please.
Speaker 3: Is that a joke when I read that and he
Speaker 3: put please in all caps. Yes, you have to say
Speaker 3: please and thank you if you want us to help you.
Speaker 3: It's polite, okay, and if you don't, you will suffer.
Speaker 1: He wrote it.
Speaker 2: Now, folks, he didn't We're not interpreting or did he
Speaker 2: say that?
Speaker 1: And the press guy go, what did he say? What
Speaker 1: did he mean?
Speaker 2: He wrote and laid all of this out. You must
Speaker 2: use the word please. If we're gonna come in there
Speaker 2: and protect people and property, say please first, and then
Speaker 2: we'll consider.
Speaker 3: Coming maybe even pretty plate, pretty please, pretty please, pretty please.
Speaker 3: He went on to say, remember that I stated in
Speaker 3: the strongest of language to beware.
Speaker 4: That's in all caps.
Speaker 3: Ice border patrol, or if necessary, our military will be
Speaker 3: extremely powerful and tough in the protection of our federal property.
Speaker 3: We will not allow our courthouses, federal buildings, or anything
Speaker 3: else under our protection to be damaged in any way,
Speaker 3: shape or form. I was elected on a policy of
Speaker 3: border control, which has now been perfected.
Speaker 4: National security and law and order.
Speaker 3: That's what America wants and that's what America is getting.
Speaker 4: Thank you for your attention to this matter.
Speaker 2: You remember last week where things we thought were settling down.
Speaker 2: Tom Holman was that Wednesday. He did that price conference.
Speaker 2: He got to town on Monday or Tuesday. Didn't see him.
Speaker 2: He's actually taken meetings. We hear the mayor come out
Speaker 2: the governor come out. Everybody says, we had a good meeting.
Speaker 2: It was a good start. We're not perfect. They acknowledge
Speaker 2: that we have disagreements, and we were moving forward.
Speaker 4: We were productive there. It is the word they use, productive.
Speaker 1: And here we go. This takes us.
Speaker 2: This is a step back, not a complete reversal of
Speaker 2: fortune that we were seeing there. But this is the
Speaker 2: type of thing. He's almost spanking them like you. It's
Speaker 2: almost this is childlike in petty it is.
Speaker 3: And he is saying, oh, sorry, well, he likes when
Speaker 3: people call him daddy. He did say that, okay, So
Speaker 3: he wants to be basically, you know, a father figure
Speaker 3: and does treat this is a problem though his subjects
Speaker 3: his Uh well, I mean that is a lot of
Speaker 3: what this looks like and feels like and sounds like that.
Speaker 3: We're like all just dumb children who need to be
Speaker 3: told to say please and thank you and to do
Speaker 3: what we're told. And if you don't, you will suffer,
Speaker 3: you will be punished. It does feel like that. Well,
Speaker 3: they're not equals, they're not partners. I'm the president. You
Speaker 3: all are beneath me.
Speaker 4: That is such a good way to put it.
Speaker 2: I have to listen to you, governor, you mayor of
Speaker 2: me Minneapolis. I don't have to partner with you. I
Speaker 2: don't even have to help you. I'm not saying he's
Speaker 2: a savior. But isn't the president the person that you
Speaker 2: turn to your feederal government for help, we need help,
Speaker 2: and to say you can't get it unless you say please.
Speaker 2: Maybe someone would look at this and say, oh, it's
Speaker 2: just funny as him being him, But how we keep
Speaker 2: doing that on so many things and just I don't know,
Speaker 2: this isn't a big deal, I guess unless he's requiring
Speaker 2: them to come and beg before we come save property
Speaker 2: and people in your city. And didn't he mentioned Democrat.
Speaker 2: I didn't put the whole thing in have, but I
Speaker 2: think there was a reference to Democrat cities.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, specific.
Speaker 3: Specifically to Democrat cities, because he said these are the
Speaker 3: ones that are harboring undocumented immigrants. He doesn't use that term,
Speaker 3: but that's what I will use. So, yes, these sanctuary cities.
Speaker 3: He specifically referenced them, saying, y'all are on your own,
Speaker 3: like we're not.
Speaker 4: But you know when you are.
Speaker 3: Going to need help, when you do ask us for help,
Speaker 3: we will in But yes, you have to say please.
Speaker 2: But like we said, folks, his words might not be
Speaker 2: the strongest ones we heard yesterday.
Speaker 1: Now here, his are the ones ropes.
Speaker 2: He has the bully pulpit, so he can get on
Speaker 2: that thing, say anything, and we pay more attention to
Speaker 2: You had to go look and find a court order
Speaker 2: yesterday to hear the absolute verbal and judicial beatdown that
Speaker 2: a judge gave the Trump administration. Just a little piece
Speaker 2: of it, the government's ignorance of an American historical document
Speaker 2: called the Declaration of Independence. That was what he said
Speaker 2: about the administration. Stay here, we'll tell you why this
Speaker 2: judge decided to go off on the White House. All right,
Speaker 2: we continue here on this first day of February here
Speaker 2: on Sunday on Amy and TJ. Robes getting a lotus.
Speaker 2: That's a quiet weekend when it comes to what's happening
Speaker 2: in Minneapolis beyond just protests, we are talking about rhetoric
Speaker 2: really changed a lot of things yesterday. We don't know how,
Speaker 2: but potentially we heard from the President obviously what we
Speaker 2: talked about with him. This judge has now stepped into
Speaker 2: this in a way that is probably red meat for
Speaker 2: folks on the right.
Speaker 3: Look, people who are upset with Trump's immigration policies and
Speaker 3: are rallying against Ice will probably would print out what
Speaker 3: this judge wrote and hang it in their home because
Speaker 3: they love. They probably are like, yes, hell, yes, give
Speaker 3: it to him, tell him the truth, say what you
Speaker 3: really think. But the problem is all of that just
Speaker 3: just makes things worse. So yes, I think a lot
Speaker 3: of people might hear what this judge said and feel validated,
Speaker 3: but it does just continue to stir the pot and
Speaker 3: make things difficult to work through.
Speaker 1: The problem you, what you're saying is both sides use it.
Speaker 2: Will have this up on their wall saying yep, give
Speaker 2: it to them, take it to them. The Democratic site
Speaker 2: will say that Republicans sat see told you he's active.
Speaker 1: Ast judges here, they are here, they come like.
Speaker 2: Both will use this as a validation of their points.
Speaker 1: So true, But this case is.
Speaker 2: The one everybody's seen that picture of little Liam Ramos.
Speaker 2: It was the last week, was it a week before?
Speaker 2: But past couple of weeks. He was taken into custody
Speaker 2: along with his dad, who Ice said was the target
Speaker 2: of their investigation. Came out later the dad apparently is
Speaker 2: in proper proceedings, right now has court, so he shouldn't
Speaker 2: have been detained, is what this judge is saying. And
Speaker 2: ordered that the dad and the boy, the five year
Speaker 2: old be released by I think tuesday.
Speaker 1: Do I have that right?
Speaker 2: So next couple of days. Now he didn't just so
Speaker 2: order that robes. He had a point to make in
Speaker 2: his order. Oh three page order by.
Speaker 4: He did, so that'll be a big day.
Speaker 3: By the way, when little Liam walks out of that
Speaker 3: detention facility with his father, you know how many journalists
Speaker 3: and camra are going to be waiting outside that facility
Speaker 3: to get that picture of that.
Speaker 4: He is the cutest, sweetest little thing.
Speaker 3: I think that just adds to the emotional reaction people
Speaker 3: are having to what's been going on.
Speaker 2: We all, yes, fine, cute kid. Every single person, almost
Speaker 2: every adult knows that kid. Meaning even if you don't
Speaker 2: have kids, you got nieces and nephews or something that
Speaker 2: you see dressed exactly like that five years old. Like
Speaker 2: he has nothing to do with any of this. Why
Speaker 2: is he caught up?
Speaker 3: An? I know? All right, So here's what we have
Speaker 3: some of what the judge said, but you've picked out
Speaker 3: the best parts, the juiciest parts. When we say the
Speaker 3: best to the wooh the worst. He writes, They, as
Speaker 3: in the Trump administration, seek nothing more than some oh sorry,
Speaker 3: when he said they, he was referring to Liam and
Speaker 3: his father. They seek nothing more than some modicum of
Speaker 3: due process and the rule of law. The case has
Speaker 3: its genesis in the ill conceived and incompletely implemented government
Speaker 3: pursuit of daily deportation quotas. Apparently, even if it requires
Speaker 3: traumatizing children, this court and others regularly send undocumented people
Speaker 3: to prison and orders them deported, but do so by
Speaker 3: proper legal procedures.
Speaker 2: You know, he makes a good point. He's not saying
Speaker 2: that I'm not against this thing.
Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, I'm just about order.
Speaker 3: We deport people every day, We send people to prison
Speaker 3: every day who are undocumented. This is something that we
Speaker 3: actually agree with. But how this is being done they
Speaker 3: vehemently disagree with, so they say.
Speaker 4: Apparent.
Speaker 3: Also is the government's ignorance of an American historical document
Speaker 3: called the Declaration of Independence.
Speaker 1: And here is where the sarcism starts, the god dripping.
Speaker 3: And then there is that pesky inconvenience called the Fourth Amendment,
Speaker 3: the Right of People to be secure in their persons houses,
Speaker 3: papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures civics. Lesson
Speaker 3: to the government, Administrative warrants issued by the executive branch
Speaker 3: to itself do not pass probable cause muster. That is
Speaker 3: called the fox guarding the Henhouse. The constitution requires an
Speaker 3: independent judicial officer.
Speaker 2: Okay, and please no, folks, we haven't even got to
Speaker 2: the most damning line yet.
Speaker 1: But rogues so far. I mean, he could have done
Speaker 1: all of this.
Speaker 2: And it's every once in a while we see judges,
Speaker 2: even when it's strongly worded, sometimes it's still not this far.
Speaker 3: Civix Lesson to the government that pesky, that pesky inconvenience
Speaker 3: called the Fourth Amendment. Those were unnecessary lines. He went
Speaker 3: on to write, this observing human behavior confirms that for
Speaker 3: some among us, the perfidious lust for unbridled power and
Speaker 3: the imposition of cruelty in its quest knows no bounds
Speaker 3: and are bereft of human decency and the rule of law.
Speaker 4: Be damned.
Speaker 2: Wow, that's a wow. I mean, I don't know some
Speaker 2: of it. Sarcasm is obvious. That point, though, is probably
Speaker 2: might be legally sound. And a judge is upset by
Speaker 2: how a process that we do all the time has
Speaker 2: now been skirted.
Speaker 1: In a way that's now impacting a five year old boy.
Speaker 4: Yes, and the fox guarding the henhouse.
Speaker 3: That is something that I think a lot of people
Speaker 3: have been screaming in other words and a way of saying,
Speaker 3: where is the accountability, where is the oversight? It doesn't
Speaker 3: exist right now the way the government is operating.
Speaker 2: So he is trying to give them some So I
Speaker 2: do believe he has ordered the little boy and his
Speaker 2: dad be released by Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. Now,
Speaker 2: before we let you go, Rodes, we have to mention
Speaker 2: this is what the judge did.
Speaker 1: At the bottom of the order. It included a picture
Speaker 1: of little Liam. He attached a.
Speaker 2: Picture of that picture that we all have seen that.
Speaker 2: He attached the picture Robes and included this. It just
Speaker 2: said Matthew nineteen fourteen and John eleven thirty five the
Speaker 2: picture and then those two Bible verses didn't have the
Speaker 2: verses written out, just mention those two.
Speaker 3: Verse I do appreciate that because you know, everyone goes
Speaker 3: and googles those Bible verses, and that's a good thing.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 3: People are gonna lean on the word of the Lord
Speaker 3: to guide us through these difficult times.
Speaker 2: Some might recognize John eleven thirty five. I believe it
Speaker 2: is considered the shortest Bible verse in the Bible.
Speaker 1: Jesus wept.
Speaker 4: Jesus wept.
Speaker 1: That's one. The other Matthew nineteen fourteen is damn good
Speaker 1: as well. Robes.
Speaker 3: Jesus said, let the little children come to me, and
Speaker 3: do not hinder them, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs
Speaker 3: to such as these.
Speaker 2: You know you almost you say that, and I didn't think.
Speaker 2: I wrote this down right here in front of us
Speaker 2: on the rundown. Get emotional hearing it and putting his
Speaker 2: face with it, because there are folks suffering. Kids are
Speaker 2: suffering because of the foolishness of us, of grown ass folks,
Speaker 2: whether it's a shutdown and snap benefits they're getting. The
Speaker 2: kids didn't do anything. This kid didn't do a damn thing.
Speaker 2: You can blame his parents, you can blame the government,
Speaker 2: but don't blame the kid. And the kid is suffering
Speaker 2: right now in a damn detention facility in Texas, a
Speaker 2: five year old that just shouldn't be permitted. So I'm
Speaker 2: with the judge, and I understand that the sarcism was
Speaker 2: a little sarcasm, a little heavy. Don't know what to
Speaker 2: think about that, because it feels like ropes. It just
Speaker 2: furthers fighting.
Speaker 4: It furthers fighting.
Speaker 3: But I guess also it speaks to the level of
Speaker 3: anger both sides.
Speaker 4: Field.
Speaker 3: You see what Trump wrote today and what he said
Speaker 3: to members of the media on Air Force one.
Speaker 4: He's pissed. He is so pissed. This judge is so pissed.
Speaker 3: The protesters in the streets of Minneapolis and in Eugene,
Speaker 3: Oregon are pissed. Ice officers are pissed that they're getting
Speaker 3: spit at and have objects thrown at them, called horrible names.
Speaker 4: They've been ducks. Everybody's so angry.
Speaker 2: I think the anger is justified. I think everybody and
Speaker 2: everybody thinks their anger is justified. What I don't have
Speaker 2: a hard time justifying the actions that you take based
Speaker 2: on the anger. Be mad as hell? Do you have
Speaker 2: to throw a rock at a federal vehicle? Be mad
Speaker 2: as hell? Do you really have to throw that protest
Speaker 2: up against a pole.
Speaker 4: Or spray pepper spray in their eyes?
Speaker 2: Everybody's mad. Understand that stuff's justice. Both sides got arguments
Speaker 2: to make. It's just how we go about it because
Speaker 2: we keep saying robes this side or that side. We
Speaker 2: don't seem to think we're all on the same damn side.
Speaker 1: We are. We actually are, but we don't act like it.
Speaker 4: So there is common ground. I think most people would agree.
Speaker 3: We want to have a legal process for folks to
Speaker 3: be able to come to this country.
Speaker 4: We don't want people breaking our laws.
Speaker 3: We don't want criminals in our streets, and we want
Speaker 3: certain people deported. There is common ground that we can find.
Speaker 2: We just can't find a humanity and the decency when
Speaker 2: it's somebody that's black or brown or illegal.
Speaker 1: Like there's still people.
Speaker 2: Uh So, it was another rough weekend, rough weekend of rhetoric.
Speaker 2: But we don't have any reports of serious injuries or
Speaker 2: deaths this weekend, and that's.
Speaker 1: Supposed to be a Nobody got killed on the streets.
Speaker 4: Think about it.
Speaker 3: We did in the three weeks of Minneapolis, someone died
Speaker 3: each week, So maybe that can be a win that
Speaker 3: that has not occurred.
Speaker 2: All right, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time
Speaker 2: with us, wanting to hop on and give that update
Speaker 2: here on this Sunday. Wherever you may be, you're probably cold.
Speaker 2: Some places are starting to throw out, but a lot
Speaker 2: of places are not. Hope you're safe, Hope you're warm,
Speaker 2: but always appreciate you spending some time with us.
Speaker 1: For my dear Amy Robock, I am TJ. Holmes and
Speaker 1: we will talk to you soon