WEBVTT - NEW This Morning:  “They Will Have To Suffer," Trump Issues Warning to Protesters 

0:00:10.440 --> 0:00:12.080
<v Speaker 1>Hey, good morning everybody.

0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:18.480
<v Speaker 2>It is Sunday, February first, and a strongly worded, ominous

0:00:19.000 --> 0:00:24.680
<v Speaker 2>yet vague warning from President Trump to protesters in Minneapolis.

0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:27.320
<v Speaker 1>But the president's.

0:00:26.680 --> 0:00:31.000
<v Speaker 2>Words may not have been the strongest words we heard

0:00:31.200 --> 0:00:33.159
<v Speaker 2>about Minneapolis yesterday.

0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.480
<v Speaker 1>And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes.

0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.360
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking specifically here. Yes, we're gonna get into what

0:00:38.440 --> 0:00:43.640
<v Speaker 2>Trump said first. But he just lost a case in court,

0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.480
<v Speaker 2>and the judge didn't just say you lost. He gave

0:00:47.560 --> 0:00:51.400
<v Speaker 2>the administration a civics beat down.

0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:54.440
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, I was gonna say a verbal spanking. And it

0:00:54.560 --> 0:00:56.600
<v Speaker 3>was dripping in sarcasm.

0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:02.520
<v Speaker 4>And it was while he was making the ruling he

0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:03.240
<v Speaker 4>made his.

0:01:03.160 --> 0:01:07.520
<v Speaker 3>Feelings very known about what he thinks of the Trump

0:01:07.560 --> 0:01:11.720
<v Speaker 3>administration and how they have acted over this first year.

0:01:11.840 --> 0:01:15.400
<v Speaker 3>And it's well, let's just say, you know exactly where

0:01:15.440 --> 0:01:15.920
<v Speaker 3>he stands.

0:01:15.920 --> 0:01:16.919
<v Speaker 4>He does not mince words.

0:01:17.040 --> 0:01:17.399
<v Speaker 1>What are they?

0:01:17.720 --> 0:01:20.800
<v Speaker 2>The phrase activist judges gets thrown around a lot, and look,

0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:22.560
<v Speaker 2>he could have done this ruling. And again, the ruling

0:01:22.640 --> 0:01:24.399
<v Speaker 2>was about the little five year old boy who, of

0:01:24.400 --> 0:01:26.800
<v Speaker 2>course we've all seen those heartbreaking images of him being

0:01:26.840 --> 0:01:29.440
<v Speaker 2>taken into custody by ice. Well, this case, the judge

0:01:29.520 --> 0:01:33.119
<v Speaker 2>rule that he has to be released he and his father. Okay, fine,

0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:37.920
<v Speaker 2>but it was a whole lot more than that. I mean,

0:01:38.440 --> 0:01:40.720
<v Speaker 2>I don't know what are judges allowed to do? Is

0:01:40.760 --> 0:01:43.600
<v Speaker 2>this okay? But this was more than just I'm upset

0:01:43.640 --> 0:01:46.920
<v Speaker 2>with what you did. It was sarcastic, it was insulting,

0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:47.600
<v Speaker 2>so a certain.

0:01:47.400 --> 0:01:49.440
<v Speaker 3>Way, oh beyond, And I do think, Look, this is

0:01:49.720 --> 0:01:53.000
<v Speaker 3>I get that as a judge, you do have a pulpit,

0:01:53.200 --> 0:01:56.400
<v Speaker 3>so to speak, and you have been put in that

0:01:56.440 --> 0:01:59.640
<v Speaker 3>position because you have earned the right and the experience

0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.280
<v Speaker 3>and you know the law.

0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:01.720
<v Speaker 4>And all of that.

0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:04.720
<v Speaker 3>Yes, but when you use the rhetoric that he used

0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:07.280
<v Speaker 3>to make a judgment that very well may be the

0:02:07.400 --> 0:02:08.080
<v Speaker 3>right judgment.

0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.680
<v Speaker 4>I think a lot of people agree with this, judge.

0:02:11.200 --> 0:02:16.680
<v Speaker 3>But now you've just you've just upped all of the mudslinging,

0:02:16.720 --> 0:02:20.480
<v Speaker 3>and you've just you've ratcheted up the temperature. You've it's

0:02:20.600 --> 0:02:24.440
<v Speaker 3>just putting us into us versus them. I'm right, you're wrong,

0:02:24.639 --> 0:02:27.399
<v Speaker 3>you're bad, I'm good, and that just never ends.

0:02:27.440 --> 0:02:27.680
<v Speaker 1>Well.

0:02:28.080 --> 0:02:30.160
<v Speaker 2>Uh so we're going to get into that in the second,

0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.919
<v Speaker 2>but let's get into first what the president said last night.

0:02:32.960 --> 0:02:34.000
<v Speaker 1>We did see a protests.

0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:36.840
<v Speaker 2>We should mention across the country last night protests and

0:02:36.919 --> 0:02:42.720
<v Speaker 2>solidary with what's happening in Minneapolis. But the President yesterday

0:02:42.720 --> 0:02:44.919
<v Speaker 2>put out a pretty long truth social post robes in

0:02:44.960 --> 0:02:47.200
<v Speaker 2>which he said he has directed the Department of Homeland

0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Security to start doing things differently on the ground. First

0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:52.520
<v Speaker 2>of all, he said, we are not going to be

0:02:52.639 --> 0:02:57.200
<v Speaker 2>responding to these riots and whatnot unless locals ask, And

0:02:57.240 --> 0:02:58.440
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people will say.

0:02:58.440 --> 0:03:01.480
<v Speaker 1>Awesome, Yes, that sounds that's great. But he went farther.

0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:03.799
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, he said, so, yeah, we're not going to come

0:03:03.840 --> 0:03:06.320
<v Speaker 3>help you unless you ask, which I think actually is

0:03:06.360 --> 0:03:08.640
<v Speaker 3>a great policy going forward, and I think the folks

0:03:08.680 --> 0:03:10.960
<v Speaker 3>of Minneapolis would agree with that as well.

0:03:11.120 --> 0:03:13.000
<v Speaker 4>Los Angeles would agree with that as well.

0:03:13.760 --> 0:03:16.280
<v Speaker 3>Here's what he wrote, though, Please be aware that I

0:03:16.360 --> 0:03:20.120
<v Speaker 3>have instructed ICE and were Border Patrol to be very

0:03:20.400 --> 0:03:23.959
<v Speaker 3>forceful in this protection of federal government property. Let me

0:03:24.040 --> 0:03:25.680
<v Speaker 3>back up a little bit, because he said we won't

0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:28.880
<v Speaker 3>go in unless ask, but we will protect federal buildings,

0:03:28.960 --> 0:03:31.680
<v Speaker 3>and he was referring to what happened in Eugene, Oregon.

0:03:31.919 --> 0:03:34.840
<v Speaker 3>There will be no spitting in the faces of our officers.

0:03:35.200 --> 0:03:38.400
<v Speaker 3>There will be no punching or kicking the headlights of

0:03:38.440 --> 0:03:41.360
<v Speaker 3>our cars, and there will be no rock or brick

0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:45.560
<v Speaker 3>throwing at our vehicles or at our patriot warriors. If

0:03:45.720 --> 0:03:51.720
<v Speaker 3>there is, those people will suffer an equal or more consequence.

0:03:52.320 --> 0:03:54.720
<v Speaker 2>So he writes that, and we're going to get more.

0:03:54.760 --> 0:03:58.120
<v Speaker 2>He did say a whole lot more. But he writes this,

0:03:58.200 --> 0:04:00.320
<v Speaker 2>and then he ends up on the Air Force one

0:04:00.400 --> 0:04:03.840
<v Speaker 2>last night he does a press gaggle and he doubled

0:04:03.840 --> 0:04:06.480
<v Speaker 2>down on that by saying, ropes, if they do anything

0:04:06.600 --> 0:04:08.600
<v Speaker 2>bad to our people, they will have to suffer.

0:04:09.480 --> 0:04:12.040
<v Speaker 3>That's ominous and vague. You said that at the beginning,

0:04:12.080 --> 0:04:15.839
<v Speaker 3>And that's scary because what does suffer mean?

0:04:17.080 --> 0:04:18.679
<v Speaker 4>That could mean a whole host of things.

0:04:19.000 --> 0:04:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Here is, if you piece this together, it's not hard

0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:23.600
<v Speaker 2>to piece together. He is, in this comment, at least

0:04:23.600 --> 0:04:26.240
<v Speaker 2>on social media, is making a direct reference to what

0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.040
<v Speaker 2>Alex Pretty did. And he said people will have to suffer.

0:04:29.279 --> 0:04:33.719
<v Speaker 2>It's almost he's almost justifying, Yeah, you spin our people,

0:04:33.720 --> 0:04:35.240
<v Speaker 2>you kick our thing, You're gonna have to suffer.

0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:35.719
<v Speaker 1>He died.

0:04:35.960 --> 0:04:38.760
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, because I was going to say, does suffer also

0:04:38.800 --> 0:04:42.800
<v Speaker 3>include death? Because that did sound like what he was saying.

0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:45.440
<v Speaker 3>He specifically referred to what we saw Alex pretty do

0:04:46.040 --> 0:04:48.880
<v Speaker 3>on that video that was released this past week, eleven

0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:49.839
<v Speaker 3>days before his death.

0:04:49.880 --> 0:04:51.800
<v Speaker 4>He was specifically referencing that.

0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:55.800
<v Speaker 2>He goes on here and again, it was last night, Eugene, Right, yeah, okay, yes,

0:04:55.880 --> 0:04:58.800
<v Speaker 2>last night a federal building was in their words, attacked.

0:04:58.839 --> 0:05:01.719
<v Speaker 2>But this was a significant and this wasn't just outside

0:05:01.720 --> 0:05:03.320
<v Speaker 2>of a building yelling and creamy. That was some property

0:05:03.360 --> 0:05:04.720
<v Speaker 2>damage here, do yes?

0:05:04.800 --> 0:05:05.040
<v Speaker 1>All right?

0:05:05.080 --> 0:05:07.599
<v Speaker 2>The President goes on, saying, if local governments are unable

0:05:07.640 --> 0:05:12.600
<v Speaker 2>to handle the insurrectionist, agitators and anarchists, we will immediately

0:05:12.640 --> 0:05:15.039
<v Speaker 2>go to the location where such help is requested and

0:05:15.040 --> 0:05:17.880
<v Speaker 2>take care of the situation very easily and methodically.

0:05:18.680 --> 0:05:20.240
<v Speaker 1>Here's where it gets good roes.

0:05:21.320 --> 0:05:24.480
<v Speaker 2>Therefore, to all complaining local governments, governors and mayors, let

0:05:24.560 --> 0:05:26.760
<v Speaker 2>us know when you're ready, and we will be there.

0:05:26.880 --> 0:05:30.120
<v Speaker 2>This sounds great, right, Yes, we're doing great. Finally, he continues,

0:05:30.480 --> 0:05:34.120
<v Speaker 2>but before we do so, you must use the word please.

0:05:34.279 --> 0:05:36.359
<v Speaker 3>Is that a joke when I read that and he

0:05:36.400 --> 0:05:38.960
<v Speaker 3>put please in all caps. Yes, you have to say

0:05:39.000 --> 0:05:40.719
<v Speaker 3>please and thank you if you want us to help you.

0:05:41.400 --> 0:05:45.760
<v Speaker 3>It's polite, okay, and if you don't, you will suffer.

0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:46.480
<v Speaker 1>He wrote it.

0:05:46.520 --> 0:05:49.800
<v Speaker 2>Now, folks, he didn't We're not interpreting or did he

0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:50.240
<v Speaker 2>say that?

0:05:50.320 --> 0:05:51.760
<v Speaker 1>And the press guy go, what did he say? What

0:05:51.760 --> 0:05:52.160
<v Speaker 1>did he mean?

0:05:52.279 --> 0:05:55.400
<v Speaker 2>He wrote and laid all of this out. You must

0:05:55.480 --> 0:05:58.279
<v Speaker 2>use the word please. If we're gonna come in there

0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:02.480
<v Speaker 2>and protect people and property, say please first, and then

0:06:02.480 --> 0:06:03.400
<v Speaker 2>we'll consider.

0:06:03.080 --> 0:06:06.680
<v Speaker 3>Coming maybe even pretty plate, pretty please, pretty please, pretty please.

0:06:07.320 --> 0:06:09.919
<v Speaker 3>He went on to say, remember that I stated in

0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:12.599
<v Speaker 3>the strongest of language to beware.

0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:13.960
<v Speaker 4>That's in all caps.

0:06:14.520 --> 0:06:19.159
<v Speaker 3>Ice border patrol, or if necessary, our military will be

0:06:19.279 --> 0:06:23.240
<v Speaker 3>extremely powerful and tough in the protection of our federal property.

0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:27.520
<v Speaker 3>We will not allow our courthouses, federal buildings, or anything

0:06:27.560 --> 0:06:30.440
<v Speaker 3>else under our protection to be damaged in any way,

0:06:30.480 --> 0:06:33.440
<v Speaker 3>shape or form. I was elected on a policy of

0:06:33.480 --> 0:06:36.560
<v Speaker 3>border control, which has now been perfected.

0:06:38.160 --> 0:06:40.760
<v Speaker 4>National security and law and order.

0:06:41.120 --> 0:06:44.680
<v Speaker 3>That's what America wants and that's what America is getting.

0:06:44.960 --> 0:06:46.400
<v Speaker 4>Thank you for your attention to this matter.

0:06:46.520 --> 0:06:49.599
<v Speaker 2>You remember last week where things we thought were settling down.

0:06:49.839 --> 0:06:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Tom Holman was that Wednesday. He did that price conference.

0:06:52.080 --> 0:06:55.120
<v Speaker 2>He got to town on Monday or Tuesday. Didn't see him.

0:06:55.160 --> 0:06:57.800
<v Speaker 2>He's actually taken meetings. We hear the mayor come out

0:06:57.800 --> 0:07:00.000
<v Speaker 2>the governor come out. Everybody says, we had a good meeting.

0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:03.839
<v Speaker 2>It was a good start. We're not perfect. They acknowledge

0:07:03.880 --> 0:07:06.360
<v Speaker 2>that we have disagreements, and we were moving forward.

0:07:06.440 --> 0:07:09.520
<v Speaker 4>We were productive there. It is the word they use, productive.

0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:11.360
<v Speaker 1>And here we go. This takes us.

0:07:11.440 --> 0:07:14.760
<v Speaker 2>This is a step back, not a complete reversal of

0:07:14.840 --> 0:07:17.320
<v Speaker 2>fortune that we were seeing there. But this is the

0:07:17.400 --> 0:07:21.360
<v Speaker 2>type of thing. He's almost spanking them like you. It's

0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:25.000
<v Speaker 2>almost this is childlike in petty it is.

0:07:25.080 --> 0:07:27.840
<v Speaker 3>And he is saying, oh, sorry, well, he likes when

0:07:27.840 --> 0:07:30.160
<v Speaker 3>people call him daddy. He did say that, okay, So

0:07:30.240 --> 0:07:34.400
<v Speaker 3>he wants to be basically, you know, a father figure

0:07:34.440 --> 0:07:38.200
<v Speaker 3>and does treat this is a problem though his subjects

0:07:38.520 --> 0:07:41.520
<v Speaker 3>his Uh well, I mean that is a lot of

0:07:41.520 --> 0:07:44.240
<v Speaker 3>what this looks like and feels like and sounds like that.

0:07:44.360 --> 0:07:47.360
<v Speaker 3>We're like all just dumb children who need to be

0:07:47.440 --> 0:07:49.320
<v Speaker 3>told to say please and thank you and to do

0:07:49.360 --> 0:07:52.600
<v Speaker 3>what we're told. And if you don't, you will suffer,

0:07:53.520 --> 0:07:57.120
<v Speaker 3>you will be punished. It does feel like that. Well,

0:07:58.400 --> 0:08:01.480
<v Speaker 3>they're not equals, they're not partners. I'm the president. You

0:08:01.520 --> 0:08:02.320
<v Speaker 3>all are beneath me.

0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:03.600
<v Speaker 4>That is such a good way to put it.

0:08:03.640 --> 0:08:06.160
<v Speaker 2>I have to listen to you, governor, you mayor of

0:08:06.360 --> 0:08:09.280
<v Speaker 2>me Minneapolis. I don't have to partner with you. I

0:08:09.320 --> 0:08:11.440
<v Speaker 2>don't even have to help you. I'm not saying he's

0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.600
<v Speaker 2>a savior. But isn't the president the person that you

0:08:13.720 --> 0:08:16.200
<v Speaker 2>turn to your feederal government for help, we need help,

0:08:16.720 --> 0:08:19.360
<v Speaker 2>and to say you can't get it unless you say please.

0:08:20.000 --> 0:08:21.760
<v Speaker 2>Maybe someone would look at this and say, oh, it's

0:08:21.800 --> 0:08:24.080
<v Speaker 2>just funny as him being him, But how we keep

0:08:24.120 --> 0:08:26.320
<v Speaker 2>doing that on so many things and just I don't know,

0:08:26.360 --> 0:08:29.720
<v Speaker 2>this isn't a big deal, I guess unless he's requiring

0:08:29.760 --> 0:08:32.480
<v Speaker 2>them to come and beg before we come save property

0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:36.120
<v Speaker 2>and people in your city. And didn't he mentioned Democrat.

0:08:36.520 --> 0:08:37.839
<v Speaker 2>I didn't put the whole thing in have, but I

0:08:37.880 --> 0:08:39.720
<v Speaker 2>think there was a reference to Democrat cities.

0:08:39.800 --> 0:08:41.360
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yes, specific.

0:08:40.880 --> 0:08:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Specifically to Democrat cities, because he said these are the

0:08:44.280 --> 0:08:48.280
<v Speaker 3>ones that are harboring undocumented immigrants. He doesn't use that term,

0:08:48.320 --> 0:08:51.560
<v Speaker 3>but that's what I will use. So, yes, these sanctuary cities.

0:08:51.600 --> 0:08:54.520
<v Speaker 3>He specifically referenced them, saying, y'all are on your own,

0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:55.320
<v Speaker 3>like we're not.

0:08:55.480 --> 0:08:57.040
<v Speaker 4>But you know when you are.

0:08:56.920 --> 0:08:59.480
<v Speaker 3>Going to need help, when you do ask us for help,

0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:01.640
<v Speaker 3>we will in But yes, you have to say please.

0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:05.000
<v Speaker 2>But like we said, folks, his words might not be

0:09:05.080 --> 0:09:06.959
<v Speaker 2>the strongest ones we heard yesterday.

0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Now here, his are the ones ropes.

0:09:08.920 --> 0:09:11.400
<v Speaker 2>He has the bully pulpit, so he can get on

0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:13.280
<v Speaker 2>that thing, say anything, and we pay more attention to

0:09:13.360 --> 0:09:16.760
<v Speaker 2>You had to go look and find a court order

0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:23.800
<v Speaker 2>yesterday to hear the absolute verbal and judicial beatdown that

0:09:24.000 --> 0:09:28.800
<v Speaker 2>a judge gave the Trump administration. Just a little piece

0:09:28.840 --> 0:09:33.040
<v Speaker 2>of it, the government's ignorance of an American historical document

0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.640
<v Speaker 2>called the Declaration of Independence. That was what he said

0:09:37.080 --> 0:09:39.960
<v Speaker 2>about the administration. Stay here, we'll tell you why this

0:09:40.120 --> 0:09:53.800
<v Speaker 2>judge decided to go off on the White House. All right,

0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:56.000
<v Speaker 2>we continue here on this first day of February here

0:09:56.040 --> 0:09:59.520
<v Speaker 2>on Sunday on Amy and TJ. Robes getting a lotus.

0:10:00.000 --> 0:10:01.880
<v Speaker 2>That's a quiet weekend when it comes to what's happening

0:10:01.880 --> 0:10:05.320
<v Speaker 2>in Minneapolis beyond just protests, we are talking about rhetoric

0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.680
<v Speaker 2>really changed a lot of things yesterday. We don't know how,

0:10:10.120 --> 0:10:13.240
<v Speaker 2>but potentially we heard from the President obviously what we

0:10:13.280 --> 0:10:16.760
<v Speaker 2>talked about with him. This judge has now stepped into

0:10:16.800 --> 0:10:19.400
<v Speaker 2>this in a way that is probably red meat for

0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:20.720
<v Speaker 2>folks on the right.

0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:25.480
<v Speaker 3>Look, people who are upset with Trump's immigration policies and

0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.600
<v Speaker 3>are rallying against Ice will probably would print out what

0:10:29.679 --> 0:10:32.199
<v Speaker 3>this judge wrote and hang it in their home because

0:10:32.200 --> 0:10:35.560
<v Speaker 3>they love. They probably are like, yes, hell, yes, give

0:10:35.559 --> 0:10:37.560
<v Speaker 3>it to him, tell him the truth, say what you

0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:40.280
<v Speaker 3>really think. But the problem is all of that just

0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:43.400
<v Speaker 3>just makes things worse. So yes, I think a lot

0:10:43.440 --> 0:10:47.080
<v Speaker 3>of people might hear what this judge said and feel validated,

0:10:47.600 --> 0:10:51.600
<v Speaker 3>but it does just continue to stir the pot and

0:10:51.760 --> 0:10:54.600
<v Speaker 3>make things difficult to work through.

0:10:54.880 --> 0:10:59.920
<v Speaker 1>The problem you, what you're saying is both sides use it.

0:11:00.480 --> 0:11:03.439
<v Speaker 2>Will have this up on their wall saying yep, give

0:11:03.480 --> 0:11:05.400
<v Speaker 2>it to them, take it to them. The Democratic site

0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:07.839
<v Speaker 2>will say that Republicans sat see told you he's active.

0:11:07.840 --> 0:11:09.960
<v Speaker 1>Ast judges here, they are here, they come like.

0:11:10.080 --> 0:11:14.200
<v Speaker 2>Both will use this as a validation of their points.

0:11:14.200 --> 0:11:15.440
<v Speaker 1>So true, But this case is.

0:11:15.440 --> 0:11:18.079
<v Speaker 2>The one everybody's seen that picture of little Liam Ramos.

0:11:18.400 --> 0:11:20.240
<v Speaker 2>It was the last week, was it a week before?

0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:22.760
<v Speaker 2>But past couple of weeks. He was taken into custody

0:11:22.800 --> 0:11:25.800
<v Speaker 2>along with his dad, who Ice said was the target

0:11:25.920 --> 0:11:29.880
<v Speaker 2>of their investigation. Came out later the dad apparently is

0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:34.480
<v Speaker 2>in proper proceedings, right now has court, so he shouldn't

0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:37.520
<v Speaker 2>have been detained, is what this judge is saying. And

0:11:37.640 --> 0:11:40.080
<v Speaker 2>ordered that the dad and the boy, the five year

0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.680
<v Speaker 2>old be released by I think tuesday.

0:11:42.720 --> 0:11:43.400
<v Speaker 1>Do I have that right?

0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:46.400
<v Speaker 2>So next couple of days. Now he didn't just so

0:11:46.760 --> 0:11:49.200
<v Speaker 2>order that robes. He had a point to make in

0:11:49.240 --> 0:11:51.320
<v Speaker 2>his order. Oh three page order by.

0:11:51.480 --> 0:11:53.199
<v Speaker 4>He did, so that'll be a big day.

0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.400
<v Speaker 3>By the way, when little Liam walks out of that

0:11:55.960 --> 0:11:59.560
<v Speaker 3>detention facility with his father, you know how many journalists

0:11:59.600 --> 0:12:01.880
<v Speaker 3>and camra are going to be waiting outside that facility

0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:03.280
<v Speaker 3>to get that picture of that.

0:12:03.559 --> 0:12:05.400
<v Speaker 4>He is the cutest, sweetest little thing.

0:12:05.440 --> 0:12:08.959
<v Speaker 3>I think that just adds to the emotional reaction people

0:12:08.960 --> 0:12:10.400
<v Speaker 3>are having to what's been going on.

0:12:10.520 --> 0:12:15.440
<v Speaker 2>We all, yes, fine, cute kid. Every single person, almost

0:12:15.520 --> 0:12:19.120
<v Speaker 2>every adult knows that kid. Meaning even if you don't

0:12:19.120 --> 0:12:21.520
<v Speaker 2>have kids, you got nieces and nephews or something that

0:12:21.600 --> 0:12:25.600
<v Speaker 2>you see dressed exactly like that five years old. Like

0:12:25.679 --> 0:12:28.560
<v Speaker 2>he has nothing to do with any of this. Why

0:12:28.600 --> 0:12:29.080
<v Speaker 2>is he caught up?

0:12:29.080 --> 0:12:31.840
<v Speaker 3>An? I know? All right, So here's what we have

0:12:32.400 --> 0:12:34.679
<v Speaker 3>some of what the judge said, but you've picked out

0:12:34.679 --> 0:12:36.600
<v Speaker 3>the best parts, the juiciest parts. When we say the

0:12:36.640 --> 0:12:41.199
<v Speaker 3>best to the wooh the worst. He writes, They, as

0:12:41.240 --> 0:12:45.160
<v Speaker 3>in the Trump administration, seek nothing more than some oh sorry,

0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.280
<v Speaker 3>when he said they, he was referring to Liam and

0:12:47.320 --> 0:12:51.080
<v Speaker 3>his father. They seek nothing more than some modicum of

0:12:51.200 --> 0:12:54.200
<v Speaker 3>due process and the rule of law. The case has

0:12:54.280 --> 0:12:59.480
<v Speaker 3>its genesis in the ill conceived and incompletely implemented government

0:12:59.520 --> 0:13:05.319
<v Speaker 3>pursuit of daily deportation quotas. Apparently, even if it requires

0:13:05.440 --> 0:13:10.559
<v Speaker 3>traumatizing children, this court and others regularly send undocumented people

0:13:10.559 --> 0:13:14.480
<v Speaker 3>to prison and orders them deported, but do so by

0:13:14.559 --> 0:13:16.240
<v Speaker 3>proper legal procedures.

0:13:16.280 --> 0:13:18.520
<v Speaker 2>You know, he makes a good point. He's not saying

0:13:18.600 --> 0:13:20.400
<v Speaker 2>that I'm not against this thing.

0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:22.640
<v Speaker 1>I'm not. Yeah, I'm just about order.

0:13:22.720 --> 0:13:26.320
<v Speaker 3>We deport people every day, We send people to prison

0:13:26.440 --> 0:13:29.360
<v Speaker 3>every day who are undocumented. This is something that we

0:13:29.520 --> 0:13:33.640
<v Speaker 3>actually agree with. But how this is being done they

0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:35.800
<v Speaker 3>vehemently disagree with, so they say.

0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:36.280
<v Speaker 4>Apparent.

0:13:36.400 --> 0:13:41.040
<v Speaker 3>Also is the government's ignorance of an American historical document

0:13:41.160 --> 0:13:43.600
<v Speaker 3>called the Declaration of Independence.

0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:45.959
<v Speaker 1>And here is where the sarcism starts, the god dripping.

0:13:46.960 --> 0:13:50.760
<v Speaker 3>And then there is that pesky inconvenience called the Fourth Amendment,

0:13:51.200 --> 0:13:54.719
<v Speaker 3>the Right of People to be secure in their persons houses,

0:13:54.920 --> 0:14:01.480
<v Speaker 3>papers and effects against unreasonable searches and seizures civics. Lesson

0:14:01.600 --> 0:14:06.320
<v Speaker 3>to the government, Administrative warrants issued by the executive branch

0:14:06.400 --> 0:14:11.000
<v Speaker 3>to itself do not pass probable cause muster. That is

0:14:11.080 --> 0:14:16.040
<v Speaker 3>called the fox guarding the Henhouse. The constitution requires an

0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:18.240
<v Speaker 3>independent judicial officer.

0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, and please no, folks, we haven't even got to

0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:21.480
<v Speaker 2>the most damning line yet.

0:14:21.480 --> 0:14:24.200
<v Speaker 1>But rogues so far. I mean, he could have done

0:14:24.240 --> 0:14:24.840
<v Speaker 1>all of this.

0:14:24.920 --> 0:14:26.840
<v Speaker 2>And it's every once in a while we see judges,

0:14:27.240 --> 0:14:30.640
<v Speaker 2>even when it's strongly worded, sometimes it's still not this far.

0:14:30.760 --> 0:14:35.600
<v Speaker 3>Civix Lesson to the government that pesky, that pesky inconvenience

0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:38.720
<v Speaker 3>called the Fourth Amendment. Those were unnecessary lines. He went

0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:43.600
<v Speaker 3>on to write, this observing human behavior confirms that for

0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:48.560
<v Speaker 3>some among us, the perfidious lust for unbridled power and

0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.000
<v Speaker 3>the imposition of cruelty in its quest knows no bounds

0:14:53.280 --> 0:14:57.000
<v Speaker 3>and are bereft of human decency and the rule of law.

0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:57.880
<v Speaker 4>Be damned.

0:14:58.800 --> 0:15:02.640
<v Speaker 2>Wow, that's a wow. I mean, I don't know some

0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:07.560
<v Speaker 2>of it. Sarcasm is obvious. That point, though, is probably

0:15:07.760 --> 0:15:10.800
<v Speaker 2>might be legally sound. And a judge is upset by

0:15:10.920 --> 0:15:14.360
<v Speaker 2>how a process that we do all the time has

0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:16.600
<v Speaker 2>now been skirted.

0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:19.880
<v Speaker 1>In a way that's now impacting a five year old boy.

0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.280
<v Speaker 4>Yes, and the fox guarding the henhouse.

0:15:23.520 --> 0:15:25.520
<v Speaker 3>That is something that I think a lot of people

0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:29.800
<v Speaker 3>have been screaming in other words and a way of saying,

0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:33.800
<v Speaker 3>where is the accountability, where is the oversight? It doesn't

0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:36.800
<v Speaker 3>exist right now the way the government is operating.

0:15:37.400 --> 0:15:39.040
<v Speaker 2>So he is trying to give them some So I

0:15:39.080 --> 0:15:40.960
<v Speaker 2>do believe he has ordered the little boy and his

0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:44.880
<v Speaker 2>dad be released by Tuesday or Wednesday of this week. Now,

0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:47.280
<v Speaker 2>before we let you go, Rodes, we have to mention

0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:48.680
<v Speaker 2>this is what the judge did.

0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:52.480
<v Speaker 1>At the bottom of the order. It included a picture

0:15:52.760 --> 0:15:55.480
<v Speaker 1>of little Liam. He attached a.

0:15:55.400 --> 0:15:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Picture of that picture that we all have seen that.

0:16:00.440 --> 0:16:04.520
<v Speaker 2>He attached the picture Robes and included this. It just

0:16:04.560 --> 0:16:09.800
<v Speaker 2>said Matthew nineteen fourteen and John eleven thirty five the

0:16:09.880 --> 0:16:13.640
<v Speaker 2>picture and then those two Bible verses didn't have the

0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:16.840
<v Speaker 2>verses written out, just mention those two.

0:16:16.720 --> 0:16:18.960
<v Speaker 3>Verse I do appreciate that because you know, everyone goes

0:16:19.000 --> 0:16:22.040
<v Speaker 3>and googles those Bible verses, and that's a good thing.

0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:22.280
<v Speaker 1>Right.

0:16:22.320 --> 0:16:24.280
<v Speaker 3>People are gonna lean on the word of the Lord

0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:27.040
<v Speaker 3>to guide us through these difficult times.

0:16:27.280 --> 0:16:30.120
<v Speaker 2>Some might recognize John eleven thirty five. I believe it

0:16:30.160 --> 0:16:32.880
<v Speaker 2>is considered the shortest Bible verse in the Bible.

0:16:33.080 --> 0:16:33.960
<v Speaker 1>Jesus wept.

0:16:34.440 --> 0:16:35.240
<v Speaker 4>Jesus wept.

0:16:35.400 --> 0:16:39.200
<v Speaker 1>That's one. The other Matthew nineteen fourteen is damn good

0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:40.240
<v Speaker 1>as well. Robes.

0:16:40.560 --> 0:16:43.800
<v Speaker 3>Jesus said, let the little children come to me, and

0:16:43.880 --> 0:16:46.840
<v Speaker 3>do not hinder them, for the Kingdom of Heaven belongs

0:16:46.880 --> 0:16:47.800
<v Speaker 3>to such as these.

0:16:48.160 --> 0:16:51.240
<v Speaker 2>You know you almost you say that, and I didn't think.

0:16:51.560 --> 0:16:53.240
<v Speaker 2>I wrote this down right here in front of us

0:16:53.240 --> 0:16:56.440
<v Speaker 2>on the rundown. Get emotional hearing it and putting his

0:16:56.600 --> 0:16:59.600
<v Speaker 2>face with it, because there are folks suffering. Kids are

0:16:59.640 --> 0:17:03.440
<v Speaker 2>suffering because of the foolishness of us, of grown ass folks,

0:17:03.440 --> 0:17:05.960
<v Speaker 2>whether it's a shutdown and snap benefits they're getting. The

0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:08.640
<v Speaker 2>kids didn't do anything. This kid didn't do a damn thing.

0:17:08.800 --> 0:17:10.719
<v Speaker 2>You can blame his parents, you can blame the government,

0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:12.320
<v Speaker 2>but don't blame the kid. And the kid is suffering

0:17:12.560 --> 0:17:16.600
<v Speaker 2>right now in a damn detention facility in Texas, a

0:17:16.640 --> 0:17:18.960
<v Speaker 2>five year old that just shouldn't be permitted. So I'm

0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:21.359
<v Speaker 2>with the judge, and I understand that the sarcism was

0:17:21.359 --> 0:17:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a little sarcasm, a little heavy. Don't know what to

0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:25.520
<v Speaker 2>think about that, because it feels like ropes. It just

0:17:25.680 --> 0:17:26.880
<v Speaker 2>furthers fighting.

0:17:27.080 --> 0:17:28.120
<v Speaker 4>It furthers fighting.

0:17:28.200 --> 0:17:31.199
<v Speaker 3>But I guess also it speaks to the level of

0:17:31.359 --> 0:17:32.359
<v Speaker 3>anger both sides.

0:17:32.400 --> 0:17:32.680
<v Speaker 4>Field.

0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:35.280
<v Speaker 3>You see what Trump wrote today and what he said

0:17:35.359 --> 0:17:37.840
<v Speaker 3>to members of the media on Air Force one.

0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:42.800
<v Speaker 4>He's pissed. He is so pissed. This judge is so pissed.

0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.879
<v Speaker 3>The protesters in the streets of Minneapolis and in Eugene,

0:17:45.920 --> 0:17:50.679
<v Speaker 3>Oregon are pissed. Ice officers are pissed that they're getting

0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:54.800
<v Speaker 3>spit at and have objects thrown at them, called horrible names.

0:17:54.960 --> 0:17:58.080
<v Speaker 4>They've been ducks. Everybody's so angry.

0:17:59.280 --> 0:18:02.240
<v Speaker 2>I think the anger is justified. I think everybody and

0:18:02.320 --> 0:18:04.679
<v Speaker 2>everybody thinks their anger is justified. What I don't have

0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:06.920
<v Speaker 2>a hard time justifying the actions that you take based

0:18:06.960 --> 0:18:09.800
<v Speaker 2>on the anger. Be mad as hell? Do you have

0:18:09.880 --> 0:18:13.359
<v Speaker 2>to throw a rock at a federal vehicle? Be mad

0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.920
<v Speaker 2>as hell? Do you really have to throw that protest

0:18:16.240 --> 0:18:17.639
<v Speaker 2>up against a pole.

0:18:17.800 --> 0:18:19.960
<v Speaker 4>Or spray pepper spray in their eyes?

0:18:20.119 --> 0:18:23.720
<v Speaker 2>Everybody's mad. Understand that stuff's justice. Both sides got arguments

0:18:23.720 --> 0:18:25.920
<v Speaker 2>to make. It's just how we go about it because

0:18:26.200 --> 0:18:28.760
<v Speaker 2>we keep saying robes this side or that side. We

0:18:28.800 --> 0:18:31.080
<v Speaker 2>don't seem to think we're all on the same damn side.

0:18:31.440 --> 0:18:35.040
<v Speaker 1>We are. We actually are, but we don't act like it.

0:18:35.160 --> 0:18:39.040
<v Speaker 4>So there is common ground. I think most people would agree.

0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.520
<v Speaker 3>We want to have a legal process for folks to

0:18:41.560 --> 0:18:42.840
<v Speaker 3>be able to come to this country.

0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.600
<v Speaker 4>We don't want people breaking our laws.

0:18:44.800 --> 0:18:47.720
<v Speaker 3>We don't want criminals in our streets, and we want

0:18:47.720 --> 0:18:51.760
<v Speaker 3>certain people deported. There is common ground that we can find.

0:18:52.400 --> 0:18:54.919
<v Speaker 2>We just can't find a humanity and the decency when

0:18:54.960 --> 0:18:57.120
<v Speaker 2>it's somebody that's black or brown or illegal.

0:18:57.480 --> 0:18:58.960
<v Speaker 1>Like there's still people.

0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:05.240
<v Speaker 2>Uh So, it was another rough weekend, rough weekend of rhetoric.

0:19:05.320 --> 0:19:07.840
<v Speaker 2>But we don't have any reports of serious injuries or

0:19:07.880 --> 0:19:09.480
<v Speaker 2>deaths this weekend, and that's.

0:19:09.359 --> 0:19:11.840
<v Speaker 1>Supposed to be a Nobody got killed on the streets.

0:19:11.920 --> 0:19:12.439
<v Speaker 4>Think about it.

0:19:12.480 --> 0:19:15.280
<v Speaker 3>We did in the three weeks of Minneapolis, someone died

0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.160
<v Speaker 3>each week, So maybe that can be a win that

0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:20.080
<v Speaker 3>that has not occurred.

0:19:20.359 --> 0:19:22.520
<v Speaker 2>All right, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time

0:19:22.520 --> 0:19:24.360
<v Speaker 2>with us, wanting to hop on and give that update

0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:27.439
<v Speaker 2>here on this Sunday. Wherever you may be, you're probably cold.

0:19:28.280 --> 0:19:29.800
<v Speaker 2>Some places are starting to throw out, but a lot

0:19:29.840 --> 0:19:32.480
<v Speaker 2>of places are not. Hope you're safe, Hope you're warm,

0:19:32.520 --> 0:19:34.280
<v Speaker 2>but always appreciate you spending some time with us.

0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:36.280
<v Speaker 1>For my dear Amy Robock, I am TJ. Holmes and

0:19:36.359 --> 0:19:37.280
<v Speaker 1>we will talk to you soon