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Speaker 1: Hey, good morning everybody.

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Speaker 2: It is Sunday, February first, and a strongly worded, ominous

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Speaker 2: yet vague warning from President Trump to protesters in Minneapolis.

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Speaker 1: But the president's.

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Speaker 2: Words may not have been the strongest words we heard

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Speaker 2: about Minneapolis yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Ropes.

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Speaker 2: I'm talking specifically here. Yes, we're gonna get into what

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Speaker 2: Trump said first. But he just lost a case in court,

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Speaker 2: and the judge didn't just say you lost. He gave

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Speaker 2: the administration a civics beat down.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I was gonna say a verbal spanking. And it

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Speaker 3: was dripping in sarcasm.

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Speaker 4: And it was while he was making the ruling he

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Speaker 4: made his.

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Speaker 3: Feelings very known about what he thinks of the Trump

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Speaker 3: administration and how they have acted over this first year.

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Speaker 3: And it's well, let's just say, you know exactly where

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Speaker 3: he stands.

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Speaker 4: He does not mince words.

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Speaker 1: What are they?

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Speaker 2: The phrase activist judges gets thrown around a lot, and look,

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Speaker 2: he could have done this ruling. And again, the ruling

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Speaker 2: was about the little five year old boy who, of

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Speaker 2: course we've all seen those heartbreaking images of him being

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Speaker 2: taken into custody by ice. Well, this case, the judge

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Speaker 2: rule that he has to be released he and his father. Okay, fine,

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Speaker 2: but it was a whole lot more than that. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I don't know what are judges allowed to do? Is

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Speaker 2: this okay? But this was more than just I'm upset

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Speaker 2: with what you did. It was sarcastic, it was insulting,

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Speaker 2: so a certain.

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Speaker 3: Way, oh beyond, And I do think, Look, this is

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Speaker 3: I get that as a judge, you do have a pulpit,

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Speaker 3: so to speak, and you have been put in that

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Speaker 3: position because you have earned the right and the experience

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Speaker 3: and you know the law.

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Speaker 4: And all of that.

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Speaker 3: Yes, but when you use the rhetoric that he used

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Speaker 3: to make a judgment that very well may be the

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Speaker 4: I think a lot of people agree with this, judge.

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Speaker 3: But now you've just you've just upped all of the mudslinging,

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Speaker 3: and you've just you've ratcheted up the temperature. You've it's

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Speaker 3: just putting us into us versus them. I'm right, you're wrong,

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Speaker 3: you're bad, I'm good, and that just never ends.

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Speaker 1: Well.

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Speaker 2: Uh so we're going to get into that in the second,

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Speaker 2: but let's get into first what the president said last night.

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Speaker 1: We did see a protests.

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Speaker 2: We should mention across the country last night protests and

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Speaker 2: solidary with what's happening in Minneapolis. But the President yesterday

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Speaker 2: put out a pretty long truth social post robes in

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Speaker 2: which he said he has directed the Department of Homeland

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Speaker 2: Security to start doing things differently on the ground. First

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Speaker 2: of all, he said, we are not going to be

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Speaker 2: responding to these riots and whatnot unless locals ask, And

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Speaker 2: a lot of people will say.

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Speaker 1: Awesome, Yes, that sounds that's great. But he went farther.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he said, so, yeah, we're not going to come

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Speaker 3: help you unless you ask, which I think actually is

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Speaker 3: a great policy going forward, and I think the folks

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Speaker 4: Los Angeles would agree with that as well.

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Speaker 3: Here's what he wrote, though, Please be aware that I

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Speaker 3: have instructed ICE and were Border Patrol to be very

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Speaker 3: forceful in this protection of federal government property. Let me

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Speaker 3: back up a little bit, because he said we won't

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Speaker 3: go in unless ask, but we will protect federal buildings,

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Speaker 3: and he was referring to what happened in Eugene, Oregon.

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Speaker 3: There will be no spitting in the faces of our officers.

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Speaker 3: There will be no punching or kicking the headlights of

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Speaker 3: throwing at our vehicles or at our patriot warriors. If

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Speaker 3: there is, those people will suffer an equal or more consequence.

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Speaker 2: So he writes that, and we're going to get more.

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Speaker 2: He did say a whole lot more. But he writes this,

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Speaker 2: and then he ends up on the Air Force one

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Speaker 2: last night he does a press gaggle and he doubled

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Speaker 2: down on that by saying, ropes, if they do anything

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Speaker 2: bad to our people, they will have to suffer.

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Speaker 3: That's ominous and vague. You said that at the beginning,

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Speaker 3: And that's scary because what does suffer mean?

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Speaker 4: That could mean a whole host of things.

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Speaker 2: Here is, if you piece this together, it's not hard

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Speaker 2: Alex Pretty did. And he said people will have to suffer.

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Speaker 2: It's almost he's almost justifying, Yeah, you spin our people,

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Speaker 2: you kick our thing, You're gonna have to suffer.

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Speaker 1: He died.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, because I was going to say, does suffer also

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Speaker 3: include death? Because that did sound like what he was saying.

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Speaker 3: He specifically referred to what we saw Alex pretty do

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Speaker 3: on that video that was released this past week, eleven

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Speaker 4: He was specifically referencing that.

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Speaker 2: He goes on here and again, it was last night, Eugene, Right, yeah, okay, yes,

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Speaker 2: last night a federal building was in their words, attacked.

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Speaker 2: But this was a significant and this wasn't just outside

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Speaker 1: All right?

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Speaker 2: The President goes on, saying, if local governments are unable

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Speaker 2: to handle the insurrectionist, agitators and anarchists, we will immediately

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Speaker 2: go to the location where such help is requested and

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Speaker 2: take care of the situation very easily and methodically.

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Speaker 1: Here's where it gets good roes.

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Speaker 2: Therefore, to all complaining local governments, governors and mayors, let

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Speaker 2: us know when you're ready, and we will be there.

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Speaker 2: This sounds great, right, Yes, we're doing great. Finally, he continues,

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Speaker 2: but before we do so, you must use the word please.

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Speaker 3: Is that a joke when I read that and he

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Speaker 3: put please in all caps. Yes, you have to say

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Speaker 3: It's polite, okay, and if you don't, you will suffer.

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Speaker 1: He wrote it.

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Speaker 2: Now, folks, he didn't We're not interpreting or did he

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Speaker 1: And the press guy go, what did he say? What

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Speaker 2: He wrote and laid all of this out. You must

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Speaker 2: use the word please. If we're gonna come in there

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Speaker 2: and protect people and property, say please first, and then

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Speaker 3: Coming maybe even pretty plate, pretty please, pretty please, pretty please.

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Speaker 3: He went on to say, remember that I stated in

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Speaker 4: That's in all caps.

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Speaker 3: Ice border patrol, or if necessary, our military will be

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Speaker 3: extremely powerful and tough in the protection of our federal property.

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Speaker 3: We will not allow our courthouses, federal buildings, or anything

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Speaker 3: shape or form. I was elected on a policy of

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Speaker 4: National security and law and order.

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Speaker 3: That's what America wants and that's what America is getting.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for your attention to this matter.

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Speaker 2: You remember last week where things we thought were settling down.

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Speaker 2: Tom Holman was that Wednesday. He did that price conference.

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Speaker 2: He got to town on Monday or Tuesday. Didn't see him.

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Speaker 2: He's actually taken meetings. We hear the mayor come out

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Speaker 2: the governor come out. Everybody says, we had a good meeting.

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Speaker 2: It was a good start. We're not perfect. They acknowledge

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Speaker 2: that we have disagreements, and we were moving forward.

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Speaker 4: We were productive there. It is the word they use, productive.

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Speaker 1: And here we go. This takes us.

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Speaker 2: This is a step back, not a complete reversal of

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Speaker 2: fortune that we were seeing there. But this is the

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Speaker 2: type of thing. He's almost spanking them like you. It's

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Speaker 2: almost this is childlike in petty it is.

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Speaker 3: And he is saying, oh, sorry, well, he likes when

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Speaker 3: people call him daddy. He did say that, okay, So

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Speaker 3: he wants to be basically, you know, a father figure

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Speaker 3: and does treat this is a problem though his subjects

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Speaker 3: We're like all just dumb children who need to be

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Speaker 3: told to say please and thank you and to do

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Speaker 3: what we're told. And if you don't, you will suffer,

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Speaker 3: you will be punished. It does feel like that. Well,

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Speaker 3: they're not equals, they're not partners. I'm the president. You

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Speaker 4: That is such a good way to put it.

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Speaker 2: I have to listen to you, governor, you mayor of

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Speaker 2: me Minneapolis. I don't have to partner with you. I

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Speaker 2: don't even have to help you. I'm not saying he's

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Speaker 2: a savior. But isn't the president the person that you

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Speaker 2: turn to your feederal government for help, we need help,

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Speaker 2: and to say you can't get it unless you say please.

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Speaker 2: Maybe someone would look at this and say, oh, it's

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Speaker 2: just funny as him being him, But how we keep

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Speaker 2: doing that on so many things and just I don't know,

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Speaker 2: this isn't a big deal, I guess unless he's requiring

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Speaker 2: them to come and beg before we come save property

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Speaker 2: and people in your city. And didn't he mentioned Democrat.

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Speaker 2: I didn't put the whole thing in have, but I

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Speaker 2: think there was a reference to Democrat cities.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, specific.

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Speaker 3: Specifically to Democrat cities, because he said these are the

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Speaker 3: ones that are harboring undocumented immigrants. He doesn't use that term,

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Speaker 3: but that's what I will use. So, yes, these sanctuary cities.

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Speaker 3: He specifically referenced them, saying, y'all are on your own,

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Speaker 4: But you know when you are.

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Speaker 3: Going to need help, when you do ask us for help,

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Speaker 3: we will in But yes, you have to say please.

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Speaker 2: But like we said, folks, his words might not be

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Speaker 2: the strongest ones we heard yesterday.

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Speaker 1: Now here, his are the ones ropes.

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Speaker 2: He has the bully pulpit, so he can get on

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Speaker 2: that thing, say anything, and we pay more attention to

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Speaker 2: You had to go look and find a court order

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Speaker 2: yesterday to hear the absolute verbal and judicial beatdown that

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Speaker 2: a judge gave the Trump administration. Just a little piece

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Speaker 2: of it, the government's ignorance of an American historical document

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Speaker 2: called the Declaration of Independence. That was what he said

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Speaker 2: about the administration. Stay here, we'll tell you why this

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Speaker 2: judge decided to go off on the White House. All right,

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Speaker 2: we continue here on this first day of February here

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Speaker 2: on Sunday on Amy and TJ. Robes getting a lotus.

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Speaker 2: That's a quiet weekend when it comes to what's happening

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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis beyond just protests, we are talking about rhetoric

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Speaker 2: really changed a lot of things yesterday. We don't know how,

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Speaker 2: but potentially we heard from the President obviously what we

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Speaker 2: talked about with him. This judge has now stepped into

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Speaker 2: this in a way that is probably red meat for

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Speaker 2: folks on the right.

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Speaker 3: Look, people who are upset with Trump's immigration policies and

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Speaker 3: are rallying against Ice will probably would print out what

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Speaker 3: this judge wrote and hang it in their home because

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Speaker 3: they love. They probably are like, yes, hell, yes, give

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Speaker 3: it to him, tell him the truth, say what you

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Speaker 3: really think. But the problem is all of that just

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Speaker 3: just makes things worse. So yes, I think a lot

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Speaker 3: of people might hear what this judge said and feel validated,

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Speaker 3: but it does just continue to stir the pot and

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Speaker 3: make things difficult to work through.

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Speaker 1: The problem you, what you're saying is both sides use it.

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Speaker 2: Will have this up on their wall saying yep, give

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Speaker 1: Ast judges here, they are here, they come like.

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Speaker 2: Both will use this as a validation of their points.

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Speaker 1: So true, But this case is.

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Speaker 2: The one everybody's seen that picture of little Liam Ramos.

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Speaker 1: Do I have that right?

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Speaker 2: So next couple of days. Now he didn't just so

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Speaker 4: He did, so that'll be a big day.

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Speaker 3: By the way, when little Liam walks out of that

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Speaker 4: He is the cutest, sweetest little thing.

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Speaker 3: I think that just adds to the emotional reaction people

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Speaker 2: We all, yes, fine, cute kid. Every single person, almost

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Speaker 2: he has nothing to do with any of this. Why

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Speaker 3: An? I know? All right, So here's what we have

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Speaker 2: You know, he makes a good point. He's not saying

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Speaker 1: I'm not. Yeah, I'm just about order.

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Speaker 3: We deport people every day, We send people to prison

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Speaker 4: Apparent.

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Speaker 3: Also is the government's ignorance of an American historical document

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Speaker 1: And here is where the sarcism starts, the god dripping.

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Speaker 3: And then there is that pesky inconvenience called the Fourth Amendment,

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Speaker 2: Okay, and please no, folks, we haven't even got to

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Speaker 1: But rogues so far. I mean, he could have done

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Speaker 2: And it's every once in a while we see judges,

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Speaker 3: Civix Lesson to the government that pesky, that pesky inconvenience

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Speaker 4: Be damned.

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Speaker 1: In a way that's now impacting a five year old boy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, and the fox guarding the henhouse.

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Speaker 3: That is something that I think a lot of people

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Speaker 2: So he is trying to give them some So I

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Speaker 1: At the bottom of the order. It included a picture

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Speaker 2: Picture of that picture that we all have seen that.

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Speaker 3: Verse I do appreciate that because you know, everyone goes

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Speaker 3: People are gonna lean on the word of the Lord

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Speaker 1: Jesus wept.

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Speaker 1: That's one. The other Matthew nineteen fourteen is damn good

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Speaker 3: Jesus said, let the little children come to me, and

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Speaker 2: You know you almost you say that, and I didn't think.

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Speaker 4: He's pissed. He is so pissed. This judge is so pissed.

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Speaker 3: The protesters in the streets of Minneapolis and in Eugene,

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Speaker 2: Everybody's mad. Understand that stuff's justice. Both sides got arguments

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Speaker 4: So there is common ground. I think most people would agree.

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Speaker 3: We want to have a legal process for folks to

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Speaker 4: We don't want people breaking our laws.

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Speaker 3: We don't want criminals in our streets, and we want

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Speaker 2: Uh So, it was another rough weekend, rough weekend of rhetoric.

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Speaker 4: Think about it.

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Speaker 3: We did in the three weeks of Minneapolis, someone died

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Speaker 2: All right, folks, we always appreciate you spending some time

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Speaker 2: here on this Sunday. Wherever you may be, you're probably cold.

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Speaker 2: Some places are starting to throw out, but a lot

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Speaker 2: but always appreciate you spending some time with us.

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Speaker 1: For my dear Amy Robock, I am TJ. Holmes and

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Speaker 1: we will talk to you soon