1 00:00:00,720 --> 00:00:03,520 Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox 2 00:00:03,560 --> 00:00:06,360 Speaker 1: Sports Radio. A few things to go through. The thunder 3 00:00:06,400 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 1: over the Pacers last night, that series tied to a 4 00:00:08,920 --> 00:00:11,559 Speaker 1: game apiece. If I said to a Pacer fan, hey, 5 00:00:12,200 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: you can win game one or you can win game two, 6 00:00:15,760 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 1: you'd probably say let's win game two and take that 7 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:22,360 Speaker 1: momentum back to Indiana. But you win game one, you 8 00:00:22,400 --> 00:00:27,120 Speaker 1: get roughed up in game two. The Panthers and double overtime. 9 00:00:27,240 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: Game three is tonight in Florida. They always say South 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,040 Speaker 1: Florida because they never want to say where they're actually from, 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:37,559 Speaker 1: which is Sunrise Florida, because people go, where is Sunrise Florida, 12 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:42,839 Speaker 1: South Florida. But congratulations to the Panthers in double overtime. 13 00:00:42,880 --> 00:00:47,400 Speaker 1: We've had overtime and now double overtime. Interesting results from 14 00:00:47,479 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: the French Open. Cocoa Goff, who has been on the 15 00:00:51,800 --> 00:00:56,280 Speaker 1: worldwide radar since she was a teenager, well thirteen or 16 00:00:56,320 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 1: fourteen years of age. Here she is twenty one years 17 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:02,680 Speaker 1: of age. Winning your second at Major. Carlos Alcarez, who 18 00:01:02,760 --> 00:01:06,520 Speaker 1: would have thought you got center with a chance, You 19 00:01:06,640 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: got three championship points and you can't put him away. 20 00:01:10,160 --> 00:01:14,200 Speaker 1: That's What always amazes me watching tennis, You're down to 21 00:01:14,240 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 1: your last point and then all of a sudden you win. 22 00:01:17,200 --> 00:01:19,160 Speaker 1: Then all of a sudden you move on to the 23 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,400 Speaker 1: next set. Then all of a sudden, you've got the advantage, 24 00:01:22,440 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: you've got the momentum, and it's five hours. There's no clock, 25 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,080 Speaker 1: you just play. It felt like every time Michael Chang 26 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:33,240 Speaker 1: played a tennis match it went five sets. He may 27 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:35,960 Speaker 1: lead the I'm going to say lead the league. He 28 00:01:36,000 --> 00:01:40,839 Speaker 1: may lead men's tennis in five set matches and maybe 29 00:01:40,840 --> 00:01:43,400 Speaker 1: not winning those matches, but it felt like every match 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,320 Speaker 1: was five sets. But the French Open and Alcarez in center, 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,520 Speaker 1: hopefully you have, you know, moving into a new generation 32 00:01:52,960 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: of great players, that that's the next wave that they'll 33 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: be facing each other for many, many years to come. 34 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,240 Speaker 1: A couple of things stood out last night. The Pacers 35 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: are the first team in over a decade to not 36 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,320 Speaker 1: have a twenty point score in the first two games 37 00:02:07,320 --> 00:02:10,880 Speaker 1: of the NBA Finals. Now, I like spreading the wealth, 38 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,239 Speaker 1: but this is Oklahoma City's defense here. And another thing 39 00:02:15,240 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: that would concern me if I'm an Indiana Pacer fan 40 00:02:17,960 --> 00:02:19,239 Speaker 1: is Tyrese Halliburton. 41 00:02:19,680 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 2: He did have the big shot. 42 00:02:21,080 --> 00:02:24,120 Speaker 1: In game one, he didn't have a great game, and 43 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:28,079 Speaker 1: last night he was kind of, I don't know, neutral, 44 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:32,120 Speaker 1: he was just okay. He can't be just okay. But 45 00:02:32,160 --> 00:02:35,840 Speaker 1: give credit to Okasee the defense that they're playing. And 46 00:02:35,880 --> 00:02:40,120 Speaker 1: then you have shay Gilgiss Alexander. The difference in game 47 00:02:40,200 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 1: two as opposed to game one. He was more economical 48 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:47,720 Speaker 1: with his shooting. And you know, you're taking thirty shots 49 00:02:47,720 --> 00:02:50,280 Speaker 1: to get to thirty eight points in game one, and 50 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:52,760 Speaker 1: you're taking what twenty one shots to get to thirty 51 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,640 Speaker 1: four points and you throw an eight assists. That's where 52 00:02:56,639 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 1: they're really dangerous. And you had so many players from 53 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: the coming in and contributing. You saw a true OKAC 54 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:09,800 Speaker 1: performance last night. Now that's one game, but is it 55 00:03:11,800 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: habit forming? Does OKAC realize we should have won game one? 56 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:19,799 Speaker 1: We made a mistake. We can't let this team get 57 00:03:19,840 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: any breath of fresh air and think they have a 58 00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,000 Speaker 1: chance to beat us. And you saw that in game one, 59 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:26,760 Speaker 1: and they should have known that. If you watch the 60 00:03:26,800 --> 00:03:30,600 Speaker 1: Pacers when they're down by fifteen, you don't know if 61 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 1: they're down by fifteen or they're up by ten. And 62 00:03:34,440 --> 00:03:37,280 Speaker 1: that's what OKAC realized in game one. Now I'm looking 63 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:42,400 Speaker 1: at DraftKings telling me the NBA Finals outcomes as far 64 00:03:42,400 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 1: as if you're betting, if this is going to go five, 65 00:03:45,720 --> 00:03:50,920 Speaker 1: that is the favorite right now, follow by four to two, Thunder, 66 00:03:51,240 --> 00:03:54,600 Speaker 1: follow by Thunder four to three, and then it jumps 67 00:03:54,640 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 1: to the Pacers winning in six, Pacers winning in seven. 68 00:03:58,600 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: You can place a bed at the pay winning the 69 00:04:01,960 --> 00:04:04,360 Speaker 1: next three to win this series, but those are long 70 00:04:04,400 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 1: odds as well. Okay, see is favored. They showed you 71 00:04:07,600 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: why they were favored, and now the series is going 72 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 1: to shift to Indiana. 73 00:04:13,560 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 2: Let's see seat and you got a poll question for me? Yeah, 74 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 2: we got a couple for you here. Well, let's see. 75 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,800 Speaker 3: You're kind of hitting a bunch of sports. So we 76 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 3: can start with Paul's question that he sent over the 77 00:04:24,000 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: most strenuous sport basketball hockey, tennis. Believe football out of 78 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:34,880 Speaker 3: that basketball because that's clearly the one, but basketball, hockey, tennis. 79 00:04:35,080 --> 00:04:38,240 Speaker 1: So we're going with sports that are happening. Now, Yeah, 80 00:04:38,560 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 1: you could throw boxing in there. 81 00:04:41,200 --> 00:04:42,440 Speaker 3: Is that even happening now? 82 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:43,360 Speaker 4: Well? 83 00:04:43,400 --> 00:04:45,280 Speaker 2: It it is? 84 00:04:45,320 --> 00:04:49,000 Speaker 1: They're just yeah, is that even happening? Not even not 85 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: marquete matchups? 86 00:04:50,560 --> 00:04:53,320 Speaker 3: I think I think sports where you actively like, like, 87 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:55,640 Speaker 3: all right, there's fighting in all sports, but the sport 88 00:04:55,720 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: isn't fighting. 89 00:04:56,680 --> 00:04:57,480 Speaker 2: You can take those out. 90 00:04:57,560 --> 00:05:00,360 Speaker 3: UFC take that out, can take boxing out, you take 91 00:05:00,400 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 3: football out. 92 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: Okay, So just the ones that are going on now, yeah, okay, 93 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:09,599 Speaker 1: So which one is more strenuous? Well, I guess we're 94 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,760 Speaker 1: going to focus on tennis because it went five and 95 00:05:11,760 --> 00:05:12,440 Speaker 1: a half hours. 96 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: Hockey always. 97 00:05:15,520 --> 00:05:18,760 Speaker 1: To me, I mean, hockey is you're out there for 98 00:05:18,880 --> 00:05:22,520 Speaker 1: ninety seconds, go as hard as you can now, you know, 99 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:24,800 Speaker 1: go to the bench and then we're going to do 100 00:05:24,839 --> 00:05:27,760 Speaker 1: it again in a couple of minutes and then repeat 101 00:05:27,960 --> 00:05:31,719 Speaker 1: and repeat. Tennis is you're out there and it's not 102 00:05:31,800 --> 00:05:34,080 Speaker 1: like you can go, can I go sit down for 103 00:05:34,120 --> 00:05:34,800 Speaker 1: a little while. 104 00:05:35,520 --> 00:05:36,400 Speaker 2: You're going to play? 105 00:05:36,680 --> 00:05:36,880 Speaker 4: Now? 106 00:05:37,000 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: Granted, how long do the points last when you're on 107 00:05:40,880 --> 00:05:43,560 Speaker 1: the clay, It, you know, lasts a little bit longer 108 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: you have rallies on the clay as opposed to when 109 00:05:46,560 --> 00:05:49,560 Speaker 1: you're at Wembledon or US Open or Australian Open. But 110 00:05:51,000 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: I'm just amazed that when you're out there for five 111 00:05:54,440 --> 00:05:58,839 Speaker 1: and a half hours, and also there's the mental aspect 112 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:00,520 Speaker 1: of that of being out there for five and a 113 00:06:00,560 --> 00:06:04,800 Speaker 1: half hours. It's not just athletically, but mentally you have 114 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:09,120 Speaker 1: to be all in out there. And then you see 115 00:06:09,120 --> 00:06:11,239 Speaker 1: these guys when they're, you know, in their mid thirties 116 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:15,440 Speaker 1: or late thirties still doing it. That's even more remarkable 117 00:06:15,480 --> 00:06:17,600 Speaker 1: that they're able to do that, yes Ton, and not only. 118 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 5: The duration and the heat or whatever their conditions are, 119 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:22,800 Speaker 5: but just mentally from one game for the next. 120 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 6: Just like yesterday, you just had it, you're about. 121 00:06:24,680 --> 00:06:26,840 Speaker 5: To win a championship, and then you have another chance 122 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,280 Speaker 5: and another chance, and how how how you're going to 123 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:31,000 Speaker 5: bounce back from that, How it gets in your head 124 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 5: knowing what's now there could be another knowing in the 125 00:06:33,040 --> 00:06:34,039 Speaker 5: back of your mind, could. 126 00:06:33,839 --> 00:06:35,360 Speaker 6: Be another hour and a half of tennesse yet to 127 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:35,760 Speaker 6: be played, to. 128 00:06:35,720 --> 00:06:37,360 Speaker 5: Figure out I was going to win this thing, thank Ton, 129 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:39,440 Speaker 5: as opposed to just you know, you're skating around and everything, 130 00:06:39,440 --> 00:06:41,080 Speaker 5: but you get those breaks, like you said. 131 00:06:41,520 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 2: And nobody knows tennis quite like you do. 132 00:06:43,560 --> 00:06:45,640 Speaker 6: Second doubles. I know, once in a while they threw 133 00:06:45,720 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 6: me out there for a couple of points. 134 00:06:48,839 --> 00:06:50,920 Speaker 2: Did you letter in high school in tennis? 135 00:06:51,279 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 6: We all got letters. I wouldn't say I lettered as 136 00:06:53,360 --> 00:06:54,000 Speaker 6: far as earned it. 137 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:56,040 Speaker 5: Everyone on the team got a jacket, and you got 138 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 5: the little Lincoln l with a lightning bolt through it? 139 00:06:58,360 --> 00:06:59,920 Speaker 2: Did you? I think you have to play in a 140 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 2: varsity match the letter? 141 00:07:02,120 --> 00:07:02,640 Speaker 6: I think I. 142 00:07:02,680 --> 00:07:04,919 Speaker 5: Played briefly in a couple of varsity matches, but I 143 00:07:05,000 --> 00:07:08,599 Speaker 5: wore that satin blue Lincoln tennis jacket like I was 144 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 5: the captain of the team. You would never know the 145 00:07:10,800 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 5: way I was strutting up and down the hallways off 146 00:07:13,520 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 5: likekot High School. 147 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 6: You would think, Wow, this guy must be like the 148 00:07:15,720 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 6: number one singles guy. 149 00:07:16,960 --> 00:07:18,840 Speaker 2: And I'm gonna guess you still have that gibt Oh. 150 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 6: I sure do. I couldn't. I couldn't fit it at 151 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:23,520 Speaker 6: all around me. It's basically a scarf at this point. 152 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 2: Why don't we bring it in and maybe I. 153 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:27,960 Speaker 1: Frame it and we put it in here with all 154 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:29,080 Speaker 1: the other great jerseys. 155 00:07:29,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 6: I got my name on it, says Todd and script 156 00:07:31,560 --> 00:07:33,400 Speaker 6: on the side. That's pretty cool. 157 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: What else Seaton are we thinking about? 158 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:39,120 Speaker 3: Man, it's got Todd in script. 159 00:07:39,120 --> 00:07:39,640 Speaker 2: It's sweet. 160 00:07:40,720 --> 00:07:42,640 Speaker 3: We haven't really hit this one yet, so I'm guessing 161 00:07:42,680 --> 00:07:47,080 Speaker 3: we'll save it for a leader. Okay topic, but Aaron 162 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:54,960 Speaker 3: Rodgers No, oh, okay, okay, will the NCAA settlement shift 163 00:07:55,040 --> 00:08:02,280 Speaker 3: college sports dramatically? Question Martin, game changer or not really? 164 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,600 Speaker 1: Paul Finbaum from the Mothership, we'll join us a little 165 00:08:08,640 --> 00:08:11,800 Speaker 1: bit later on. We'll talk about this. We've talked about this. 166 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,600 Speaker 1: I find it fascinating of where we were to where 167 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:18,760 Speaker 1: we are now. You go back to September of twenty thirteen, 168 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:21,920 Speaker 1: Johnny Manziel on the cover of Time magazine and the 169 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: article the headline is time to start paying athletes. Well, 170 00:08:26,160 --> 00:08:29,560 Speaker 1: we're there, but there's questions. This is fluid once again, 171 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: and I don't know what college sports is going to 172 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:38,880 Speaker 1: look like in ten years from now, because right now 173 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:42,079 Speaker 1: it just feels like everybody's trying to figure out, Okay, 174 00:08:42,400 --> 00:08:45,800 Speaker 1: how do we navigate this, and they haven't navigated this 175 00:08:46,040 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: very well. Now the NCAA is basically out of the picture, 176 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:53,560 Speaker 1: and maybe you know they're going to be governing the 177 00:08:53,840 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 1: sports that are on the periphery. But yeah, that I 178 00:08:57,520 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: got more questions than answers have been supplied to me. 179 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,280 Speaker 1: And I've talked to people who are part of the 180 00:09:04,400 --> 00:09:09,319 Speaker 1: decision makers in this, and even they are kind of 181 00:09:09,640 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 1: confused by everything or cautious about things. And I think 182 00:09:13,559 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: that's what we have to kind of do a little 183 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,520 Speaker 1: deeper dive into what does it really mean for you 184 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:23,200 Speaker 1: the college fan. That's really all that matters now. Athletes 185 00:09:23,200 --> 00:09:26,440 Speaker 1: getting paid, they've been paid, they've been paid before, they'll 186 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: continue to get paid. But I care about what it 187 00:09:30,960 --> 00:09:34,560 Speaker 1: means for us the fan. That's it, because I'm going 188 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:38,360 Speaker 1: to let college athletics deal with whatever this mess is 189 00:09:38,840 --> 00:09:41,840 Speaker 1: and hopefully they clean it up. Hopefully they can clean 190 00:09:41,840 --> 00:09:46,960 Speaker 1: it up. Hopefully it's defined. But I just think there's 191 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:49,800 Speaker 1: so much gray area here. I got so many questions, 192 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:55,280 Speaker 1: and hopefully Paul Feinbaum can provide some answers. Fritzy just 193 00:09:55,320 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 1: sent me an article that Tyreese Haliburton was seen limping 194 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: from the podium after your Game two loss. 195 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,160 Speaker 5: No further word on how serious it is, but you know, 196 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,520 Speaker 5: orways a course of concern. One of your top guys 197 00:10:06,559 --> 00:10:07,120 Speaker 5: limping are out? 198 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:09,440 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, but heading back home. 199 00:10:10,040 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 3: Hopefully it was just a lost Game two limp mmmm well. 200 00:10:14,480 --> 00:10:18,599 Speaker 1: Game three will be Wednesday night in Indianapolis. 201 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:20,840 Speaker 3: I always love that when like a dude gets torched 202 00:10:20,880 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 3: on a play, you know, and all of a sudden. 203 00:10:22,400 --> 00:10:24,240 Speaker 2: They're like, God, you know, I gotta grab the back 204 00:10:24,240 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: of my leg real quick, take a second. 205 00:10:25,960 --> 00:10:27,680 Speaker 3: I wouldn't have gotten torched like that if I just 206 00:10:27,679 --> 00:10:28,840 Speaker 3: hadn't tweet something. 207 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:30,319 Speaker 2: Okay, No, I'm good, now I'm better. 208 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 6: Okay, this happened all of us. Yeah, dude, you airball 209 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:38,560 Speaker 6: you start checking your hands. 210 00:10:37,640 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 3: All on your shoulder is a little funny. That's why 211 00:10:39,600 --> 00:10:41,240 Speaker 3: I airballed that. My shoulder just clicked. 212 00:10:41,320 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 2: That was weird. 213 00:10:41,880 --> 00:10:44,800 Speaker 1: I guess My favorite is when ball goes there's an 214 00:10:44,880 --> 00:10:48,559 Speaker 1: error and the guy looks at his glove like man, glove. 215 00:10:48,360 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 2: This thing, just rip the heck this thing. 216 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:52,640 Speaker 3: Oh no, it's fine, that's weird. 217 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:53,559 Speaker 2: Yeah. 218 00:10:53,720 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 1: Or a golfer and missus a putt. There's always something 219 00:10:57,240 --> 00:10:59,840 Speaker 1: in his line that then he tamps it down. 220 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 2: With his power. 221 00:11:00,840 --> 00:11:03,360 Speaker 3: He argues with like the land at Celebrity's like no, 222 00:11:03,480 --> 00:11:07,319 Speaker 3: to the right, to the right, the yells at his caddy. 223 00:11:07,440 --> 00:11:07,760 Speaker 4: It's like. 224 00:11:09,360 --> 00:11:11,400 Speaker 2: Left and right, And you told. 225 00:11:13,760 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: Us open gets underway in Oakmont. And by the way, 226 00:11:18,200 --> 00:11:22,439 Speaker 1: I've played Oakmont, I don't want to play Oakmont again. 227 00:11:23,160 --> 00:11:24,320 Speaker 2: I should say it played me. 228 00:11:24,640 --> 00:11:26,720 Speaker 3: Do you want to go early in the week poll 229 00:11:27,040 --> 00:11:29,280 Speaker 3: who you got at Oakmont? 230 00:11:29,920 --> 00:11:30,040 Speaker 4: OK? 231 00:11:30,280 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 1: If I give you Scotty Scheffler or the field is 232 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:37,079 Speaker 1: Scheffler in the Tiger Woods versus the field category? 233 00:11:37,120 --> 00:11:39,000 Speaker 2: Now has he graduated to that? 234 00:11:39,440 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: Mm? 235 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,439 Speaker 3: That's insulting to the Tiger Wow. 236 00:11:43,120 --> 00:11:51,640 Speaker 1: The Tiger ladies and gentlemen, the Tiger Jffler. Rory Bryson, Uh, well, 237 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 1: Rory's got problems with his driver. 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Also, I believe played college basketball 284 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:42,480 Speaker 1: with Tony Gwyn at San Diego State. Michael Cage joining us, 285 00:13:43,160 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 1: can we confirm those things. 286 00:13:44,480 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 7: Michael, Uh, yeah, let's see check for the years and 287 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 7: check also with my man Tony Gwynn, god rest his 288 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,480 Speaker 7: soul was a teammate of mine my freshman year at 289 00:13:55,480 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 7: San Diego State. 290 00:13:56,400 --> 00:13:58,640 Speaker 2: Spot on, do you think Tony Gwinn could have played 291 00:13:58,679 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 2: in the NBA? 292 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:03,920 Speaker 7: Yes, I do. And he was a terrific point guard, 293 00:14:05,760 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 7: great leader on the floor, could shoot the mid range. 294 00:14:08,640 --> 00:14:10,800 Speaker 7: And now you got to remember when I was in college, 295 00:14:10,880 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 7: there was no three point line, so that three point 296 00:14:13,720 --> 00:14:16,800 Speaker 7: line wasn't so much of a factor. But I watched 297 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 7: him shoot and practice. He had range, and man, he 298 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 7: never told me. I got to tell you this, Dan, 299 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 7: He never told me that he was that good of 300 00:14:25,120 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 7: a baseball player until spring of his senior year, which 301 00:14:29,000 --> 00:14:31,440 Speaker 7: was spring of my freshman year. He say, why don't 302 00:14:31,480 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 7: you come watch me play? Yeah, And that was it. Man, 303 00:14:35,400 --> 00:14:36,320 Speaker 7: I became a fan. 304 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:39,840 Speaker 2: What was your welcome to the NBA moment? 305 00:14:41,600 --> 00:14:45,160 Speaker 7: You know I was drafted as a San Diego Clipper. 306 00:14:45,640 --> 00:14:48,640 Speaker 7: So you just mentioned San Diego State, my alma mata, 307 00:14:49,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 7: and I was like happy as a lark. Hey, I'm 308 00:14:51,680 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 7: local kid. San Diego State just got drafted by the 309 00:14:54,840 --> 00:14:58,480 Speaker 7: San Diego Clippers. And then two weeks later, I got 310 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 7: a phone call, need to move up to LA and 311 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 7: get an apartment somewhere, And I said, well, what does 312 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:07,640 Speaker 7: that mean? Well, the team has moved to Los Angeles. 313 00:15:07,800 --> 00:15:11,280 Speaker 7: They're now the Los Angeles Clippers. And I said, okay, 314 00:15:11,280 --> 00:15:13,880 Speaker 7: this is what the NBA is like, welcome to it. Michael. 315 00:15:14,840 --> 00:15:16,080 Speaker 2: How much of a rivalry? 316 00:15:16,440 --> 00:15:19,120 Speaker 1: Like did you get how lost does the did the 317 00:15:19,120 --> 00:15:22,080 Speaker 1: Clippers get in the you know the shadow, that huge 318 00:15:22,080 --> 00:15:24,400 Speaker 1: shadow of the Lakers when you're in the same town 319 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: but people don't even know that you're there. 320 00:15:27,720 --> 00:15:31,800 Speaker 7: Well, first of all, Dan, the LA's gonna always be 321 00:15:31,840 --> 00:15:35,440 Speaker 7: a Laker town. I mean, you know, they've they've been there, 322 00:15:35,560 --> 00:15:40,840 Speaker 7: what since fifty five there Minneapolis Days or whatever. And 323 00:15:40,960 --> 00:15:45,960 Speaker 7: but when we came there, my you know, rookie year, 324 00:15:46,600 --> 00:15:50,200 Speaker 7: I saw some some fans, some Billy Crystal's, Penny Marshall's 325 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:55,760 Speaker 7: at the games. 326 00:15:54,160 --> 00:15:57,280 Speaker 2: Hall was probably there, Yeah, he was there. 327 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,280 Speaker 7: And then you know, when they did the infamous Coming 328 00:16:00,360 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 7: to America movie, the writers came to the Clippers game, 329 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 7: saw my hair and said we're going to do the 330 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:10,840 Speaker 7: soul glow thing off of Michael Cage's hair. I said, okay, 331 00:16:10,960 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 7: this is kind of cool. I didn't find that out 332 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 7: till ten years fifteen years later. 333 00:16:15,080 --> 00:16:17,320 Speaker 1: But wait, wait, wait, wait wait, because you had a 334 00:16:17,400 --> 00:16:22,320 Speaker 1: Jerry Curl, can we keep this moving now? No, you 335 00:16:22,360 --> 00:16:24,640 Speaker 1: had hair. We should talk about when you had hair, Michael. 336 00:16:24,720 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 1: But so you had a Jerry Curl, I did they? 337 00:16:29,280 --> 00:16:31,560 Speaker 1: And so they writers looked at that and said we're 338 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 1: going to use that in Coming to America. 339 00:16:33,800 --> 00:16:36,920 Speaker 7: That's what I found out years later from Rolling Stones 340 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:39,440 Speaker 7: magazine that called me and says, hey, we want to 341 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:42,000 Speaker 7: do a story on you with the whole Coming to 342 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,840 Speaker 7: America feature. I said, well, what does that have to 343 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,120 Speaker 7: do with me? He said, you didn't know. They said, well, 344 00:16:49,160 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 7: the writers came to a clicker game. I'm sorry, I 345 00:16:52,440 --> 00:16:54,920 Speaker 7: can barely get it out. Sometimes you got to have 346 00:16:54,960 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 7: a sense of humor at my house, and this is 347 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:58,720 Speaker 7: a sense of humor. I tell you a story for me. 348 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,480 Speaker 7: I turned around and said, well, tell me more. He said, well, 349 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 7: they came to a clipper game and they were trying 350 00:17:05,000 --> 00:17:08,520 Speaker 7: to think up some different scenes or acts for the 351 00:17:08,520 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 7: movie Coming to America, the original one, and said they 352 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 7: saw your hair, and that was when the whole soul 353 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:19,720 Speaker 7: glow thing came in. You know, with I tell you, 354 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:24,879 Speaker 7: And I said, Okay, that's a big surprise, but I 355 00:17:24,920 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 7: can give you whatever I can. I said, yeah, I 356 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,119 Speaker 7: wore it, but you know, I was kind of I 357 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:34,240 Speaker 7: was kind of like a baptism into the entertainment industry 358 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:37,479 Speaker 7: of Hollywood for me with the hair thing and the 359 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 7: soul glow and the Jerry curl. You know, all that's tough. Man. 360 00:17:41,880 --> 00:17:44,679 Speaker 1: But if you could still have that hair, but you 361 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:48,680 Speaker 1: had to wear it now since you're bald, when'd you 362 00:17:48,800 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: go back? Would you do the Jerry curl? 363 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:52,520 Speaker 4: You know? 364 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:57,400 Speaker 7: You know about fashion, you know about style. What goes 365 00:17:57,440 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 7: around comes around, is coming around. And if I could, 366 00:18:01,280 --> 00:18:04,639 Speaker 7: I would because I know I'm seeing the big afro. 367 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:06,320 Speaker 7: When I was in high school, I had a big one. Man. 368 00:18:06,359 --> 00:18:09,160 Speaker 7: It was bigger than Michael Jackson's in the seventies. So 369 00:18:09,400 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 7: that's how big mine was in high school my first 370 00:18:11,640 --> 00:18:14,720 Speaker 7: year of college. So I'm assuming yeah, if I to 371 00:18:14,760 --> 00:18:17,480 Speaker 7: answer your question, yeah, because I know it's going to 372 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:18,480 Speaker 7: come back around. Man. 373 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,760 Speaker 1: We're talking to Michael Cage, the thunder TV analyst and 374 00:18:23,720 --> 00:18:26,640 Speaker 1: fourteenth overall pick by the Clippers in nineteen eighty four, 375 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:29,760 Speaker 1: once laid the NBA in rebounding. All right, what we 376 00:18:29,840 --> 00:18:33,480 Speaker 1: saw last night felt like that was emblematic of what 377 00:18:33,520 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: you saw all season long with OKC. And I'll start 378 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,600 Speaker 1: with SGA because I like the eight assist. It felt 379 00:18:40,640 --> 00:18:43,000 Speaker 1: like he was if he wasn't scoring, he would get 380 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,440 Speaker 1: into the paint, take the double team and then kick out. 381 00:18:47,160 --> 00:18:50,120 Speaker 1: What else stood out for you with what you saw 382 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:54,200 Speaker 1: last night? And if you're telling a Pacer fan get 383 00:18:54,240 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: ready to see more of this, what would it be? 384 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:57,520 Speaker 4: Well? 385 00:18:57,800 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 7: I think what you saw was a total team after 386 00:19:00,760 --> 00:19:04,680 Speaker 7: that got this team sixty eight wins last season, because 387 00:19:05,440 --> 00:19:08,119 Speaker 7: you know, as much as there's a lead dog in SGA, man, 388 00:19:08,160 --> 00:19:08,959 Speaker 7: I dude is special. 389 00:19:09,000 --> 00:19:09,240 Speaker 2: Man. 390 00:19:09,400 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 7: I've been here. This is my eleventh year as a 391 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,119 Speaker 7: broadcaster for the Thunder. And when I got here, we 392 00:19:15,440 --> 00:19:19,240 Speaker 7: had Kevin Durant, Russell Westbrook, you know, that whole group, 393 00:19:19,280 --> 00:19:21,720 Speaker 7: and that era was kind of you know at this 394 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 7: last year or two run and then we had to 395 00:19:24,320 --> 00:19:28,000 Speaker 7: retool this team and get the Chris Paul and then 396 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:31,680 Speaker 7: you know there was an in between of Paul, George Carmelo, 397 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:35,920 Speaker 7: Anthony along with Russell Westbrook, and then came the SGA 398 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,880 Speaker 7: story and along with him came you know, a lot 399 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 7: of hope, a lot of promise, a lot of progress, 400 00:19:42,560 --> 00:19:46,760 Speaker 7: a lot of painstakingly growth. But what you saw last night, 401 00:19:46,880 --> 00:19:49,399 Speaker 7: here's the answer, the bread and butter of your question. 402 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,960 Speaker 7: This is this team's identity. What you saw from Aaron 403 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,280 Speaker 7: Wiggins coming off the bench getting eighteen points, what you 404 00:19:55,320 --> 00:19:59,080 Speaker 7: saw from Alex Caruso, you know, getting twenty points. I mean, 405 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,560 Speaker 7: that's what that's the identity of this team. Yeah, you 406 00:20:02,600 --> 00:20:04,520 Speaker 7: can pick on SGA and say, look, we're going to 407 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:07,120 Speaker 7: try to stop him, or we're gonna let him score. 408 00:20:07,160 --> 00:20:10,199 Speaker 7: If you let him score, he'll score seventy. He'll kill you. 409 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,679 Speaker 7: I'm just telling you that now. So you have to 410 00:20:12,800 --> 00:20:15,240 Speaker 7: respect you know that, Hey, he's the leading he's the 411 00:20:15,320 --> 00:20:19,000 Speaker 7: NBA's leading scorer, NBA's MVP, and he's not afraid of 412 00:20:19,040 --> 00:20:22,080 Speaker 7: the moment. But there's a lot of depth to this team. 413 00:20:22,280 --> 00:20:23,040 Speaker 4: And maybe you. 414 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,280 Speaker 7: Didn't see, you know, maybe you saw a peekaboo of 415 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:28,480 Speaker 7: that on a couple of nights earlier, in game one 416 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:31,760 Speaker 7: where the thunder led the whole way and then lost 417 00:20:31,760 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 7: the game at the end on the Halliburtons shot. But 418 00:20:35,320 --> 00:20:39,399 Speaker 7: you know the depth of this team. Isaiah Hardenstein shed Holmgren, 419 00:20:39,800 --> 00:20:43,080 Speaker 7: I mean lou Dort, Caseen Wallace. You know, I've already 420 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 7: mentioned Ac and Aaron Wiggins. It just goes on and on. Man, 421 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,640 Speaker 7: this is what this team is about, and that's what 422 00:20:50,040 --> 00:20:52,640 Speaker 7: you're probably gonna expect from for the rest of the series. 423 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 2: Who does SGA remind you of? On the offensive vent? 424 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 7: You know, and I say this with respect day him. 425 00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,480 Speaker 7: He reminds me of a Jordan like player. He's not 426 00:21:04,600 --> 00:21:07,760 Speaker 7: afraid of contact, he's not afraid to get in the 427 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,600 Speaker 7: mid range. He's got the three point shot, you know, 428 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,600 Speaker 7: in his pocket, but he pulls it out timely when 429 00:21:14,600 --> 00:21:19,240 Speaker 7: he wants to. You know, it is in today's modern NBA, 430 00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 7: you know, it's it's offices are based around either the 431 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:27,640 Speaker 7: deep three point shot or the deep paint finish. He's 432 00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 7: brought back the mid range, you know, when you talk 433 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,119 Speaker 7: about guys that like made a living in the mid range, 434 00:21:33,160 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 7: like the DeMar Derozans type players. SGA has really made 435 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:40,960 Speaker 7: teams start going, wait a minute, now, maybe we shouldn't 436 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,120 Speaker 7: be focusing so much on three point shooters. Yeah, that's important, 437 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 7: that's the important part of the game. Analytically, I believe that, 438 00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:49,600 Speaker 7: but that mid range where he dominates, where he is 439 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,520 Speaker 7: just fun to watch. That's where he reminds me of Jordan. 440 00:21:52,800 --> 00:21:56,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's Jordan under the rim, you know, because Mike 441 00:21:56,240 --> 00:22:01,320 Speaker 1: played at a different level literally and figuratively. But Sga 442 00:22:01,440 --> 00:22:05,359 Speaker 1: can get his shot. You watch and you go, how 443 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: does he do it. There's certain guys that you go, Okay, 444 00:22:09,000 --> 00:22:11,479 Speaker 1: I get you know that they're great scores or they 445 00:22:11,480 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: get their shot. There's other guys where you go, I 446 00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: don't get it. But he keeps doing it every single night. 447 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,200 Speaker 1: And you know, when you look at consistency at leading 448 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:24,920 Speaker 1: the league in scoring, does he want to lead the 449 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 1: league in scoring? 450 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,159 Speaker 7: I don't think so. I think what I've seen in 451 00:22:31,280 --> 00:22:34,200 Speaker 7: Shay since he got here after we traded for him 452 00:22:34,400 --> 00:22:37,800 Speaker 7: after one season in Los Angeles with the Clippers, I 453 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 7: saw a scrawny kid who was just hungry wanted to win. 454 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,880 Speaker 7: And when I've talked to him, when I've seen him, 455 00:22:44,880 --> 00:22:47,440 Speaker 7: he's always got that kind of approach to the game. 456 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:51,399 Speaker 7: He's a he's a magnet for friendships. You know. I 457 00:22:51,440 --> 00:22:53,560 Speaker 7: heard a story and I knew about it, but I'm 458 00:22:53,600 --> 00:22:56,640 Speaker 7: glad it got out about him becoming friends, really close 459 00:22:56,640 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 7: friends with lou Dort you know, lose, lose first year 460 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:01,720 Speaker 7: with the team as well. Lou didn't have a place 461 00:23:02,080 --> 00:23:04,639 Speaker 7: to stay yet, and Shae had just gotten here his 462 00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:07,120 Speaker 7: first season. Say, why don't you stay with me. I'm 463 00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 7: not married, I don't have any kids. He's married, he has, 464 00:23:09,400 --> 00:23:13,040 Speaker 7: you know, beautiful family, now Shaye does. And they they 465 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 7: were roommates for a season, and then he turned around 466 00:23:16,200 --> 00:23:18,560 Speaker 7: and when we drafted Jay Dubb, you know who's going 467 00:23:18,600 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 7: to be a rising star, a tremendous player so far 468 00:23:21,800 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 7: in this league. He said, look, because you're my rookie, 469 00:23:26,320 --> 00:23:27,720 Speaker 7: I want you to pick me up and take me 470 00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:31,280 Speaker 7: to the airport every road trip. See that kind of camaraderie. 471 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 7: That's pretty cool. 472 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:32,560 Speaker 1: Man. 473 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 2: Did you have a Jordan moment? 474 00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 7: You know, good question. Here's my Jordan moment. Maybe he 475 00:23:41,480 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 7: wasn't Jordan to everyone else, but I played with Michael 476 00:23:44,359 --> 00:23:48,400 Speaker 7: Jordan on the national team nineteen eighty three Pan Am Games. 477 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:51,160 Speaker 7: We wanted to go and medal down in Caracas, Venezuela. 478 00:23:51,560 --> 00:23:53,800 Speaker 7: He was my roommate that whole summer, and he was 479 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:58,280 Speaker 7: my roommate at the village doing the PanAm Games and 480 00:23:58,320 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 7: the tryouts that we had the year earlier, where there 481 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,600 Speaker 7: was Charles Barkley, all these you know, Karl Malone, John Stockton, 482 00:24:05,040 --> 00:24:08,080 Speaker 7: you know, all these up and coming names. And there 483 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:10,479 Speaker 7: was this kid that everybody wanted to see over on 484 00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:13,800 Speaker 7: court three. Now I'm on court one, there's court two, 485 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:16,800 Speaker 7: court three, and he said, this is Jordan Kidd. You 486 00:24:16,840 --> 00:24:19,679 Speaker 7: know he's he's at North Carolina. You gotta go over 487 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,520 Speaker 7: there and see him. I said, I already know about him, 488 00:24:21,720 --> 00:24:24,920 Speaker 7: but I'm like, going, after my game is over, I'm 489 00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 7: going over to court three and see this guy. And 490 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,000 Speaker 7: I saw him play, and I just said, man, he 491 00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:33,760 Speaker 7: is so far above the rest of us. And I 492 00:24:33,840 --> 00:24:36,200 Speaker 7: knew at that moment in nineteen eighty two, at the 493 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:39,560 Speaker 7: tryouts and at the games in eighty three, this guy 494 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,639 Speaker 7: was going to be the truth and he certainly was. 495 00:24:42,720 --> 00:24:45,840 Speaker 7: Now did we ever think he eclips where he got to. No, 496 00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:48,879 Speaker 7: but I'm not surprised because he's handled that kind of 497 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:52,520 Speaker 7: fame and that kind of you know, success really well. 498 00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:58,679 Speaker 1: You seem really mild mannered, nice, cordial. Did you have 499 00:24:58,760 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: any moments with Larry Bird where he would trash talk you. 500 00:25:03,800 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 4: Yeah. 501 00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,679 Speaker 7: He just looked at me my rookie year and just said, 502 00:25:06,840 --> 00:25:11,119 Speaker 7: you know, you can't stop me, and I said, I know, 503 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 7: there's there's just nothing else to say. You're Larry Bird 504 00:25:18,680 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 7: and I and I and I got that kind of 505 00:25:20,760 --> 00:25:23,240 Speaker 7: you know, seasoning from Magic Johnson too, because I was 506 00:25:23,320 --> 00:25:24,840 Speaker 7: right there in town when I should see him at 507 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,720 Speaker 7: grocery stores around l A and you know, at the 508 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,840 Speaker 7: gas station sometimes, or we're all going into practice because 509 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,920 Speaker 7: we practiced the same practice site at Loyola Marymount back 510 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,320 Speaker 7: in those days, and Magic would just come up to 511 00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:39,920 Speaker 7: me and talk to me and then turn around and 512 00:25:40,000 --> 00:25:42,760 Speaker 7: kick my butt. I said, I don't know which one 513 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 7: I like. 514 00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:43,520 Speaker 5: I like the. 515 00:25:43,560 --> 00:25:47,639 Speaker 7: Quiet bird kick your butt thing, then Magic shaking your hands. 516 00:25:48,080 --> 00:25:49,800 Speaker 7: You know, I'm going at you right, you know. 517 00:25:51,119 --> 00:25:53,919 Speaker 1: Thank you for the stories, Michael, and good luck the 518 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 1: rest of the series there. 519 00:25:56,119 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 7: Thanks Dan, great great having me man enjoy the rest 520 00:25:58,520 --> 00:25:59,120 Speaker 7: of the playoffs. 521 00:25:59,160 --> 00:25:59,879 Speaker 2: That's Michael. 522 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch the live edition of The Dan 523 00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: Patrick Show weekdays at nine am Eastern six am Pacific 524 00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:11,960 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. Big Doings 525 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:16,320 Speaker 1: with College Athletics NCAA settlement opens the door for schools 526 00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,120 Speaker 1: to pay athletes directly. Paul Finebam, hosts of The Paul 527 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: Fine Bomb show, Voice of the SEC joining us on 528 00:26:23,359 --> 00:26:28,040 Speaker 1: the program. All right, what does this mean for the fan? 529 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,960 Speaker 1: Let me start out. Let's just say college football fan. 530 00:26:31,080 --> 00:26:34,200 Speaker 1: What is this going to mean now, five years down, 531 00:26:34,240 --> 00:26:35,240 Speaker 1: ten years down the road? 532 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:36,880 Speaker 4: Dan? 533 00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,160 Speaker 10: It means very little really because this is all complicated, 534 00:26:40,359 --> 00:26:43,840 Speaker 10: a lot of legal mumbo jumbo. What I think if 535 00:26:44,320 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 10: it will really mean though, if you're a fan of 536 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:49,359 Speaker 10: a group of five school, if you're a fan of 537 00:26:49,400 --> 00:26:53,000 Speaker 10: a school somewhere in the middle, get ready for hard times. 538 00:26:53,560 --> 00:26:56,600 Speaker 10: This is only going to help the rich. You heard 539 00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,960 Speaker 10: that before. The big leagues, the Big ten, the SEC 540 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 10: will more than likely profit because they have so much money. 541 00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:08,640 Speaker 10: Women's sports, in my opinion, will be hurt. Olympic sports 542 00:27:08,760 --> 00:27:13,679 Speaker 10: will be crushed. Football wins basketball. Other than maybe the 543 00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,400 Speaker 10: Big East takes a slight back seat. 544 00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,520 Speaker 2: What happens to the NCUBA. 545 00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 10: The NCAA is essentially dead, and I know a lot 546 00:27:24,080 --> 00:27:28,040 Speaker 10: of people are celebrating, but the damage that has been 547 00:27:28,040 --> 00:27:33,919 Speaker 10: done by this organization is incalculable and it's really about time. 548 00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,280 Speaker 10: What did we grow up thinking about when we thought 549 00:27:37,320 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 10: of the NCAA, Dan, the enforcement part of it. The 550 00:27:39,680 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 10: big bad NCUBA is coming to your town. They don't 551 00:27:42,920 --> 00:27:45,880 Speaker 10: even have any jurisdiction for that anymore, by the way, 552 00:27:45,960 --> 00:27:48,400 Speaker 10: not that they have in about the last five years. 553 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 4: They've been completely ineffective. 554 00:27:50,560 --> 00:27:53,560 Speaker 10: So if you're the NCAA president who happens to be 555 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 10: Charlie Baker, you get the fly around on a luxury plane, 556 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:01,280 Speaker 10: you work in a taj mahal, you stay at five 557 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:04,320 Speaker 10: star resorts, but essentially you have absolutely nothing to do 558 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:05,320 Speaker 10: but try to look busy. 559 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,480 Speaker 2: Is Division one too big? 560 00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:11,880 Speaker 4: Yes? Right now? 561 00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,840 Speaker 10: In college sports. Piggybacking off of what I said in 562 00:28:15,840 --> 00:28:20,480 Speaker 10: the preamble, it's really about the top. It's pyramid, and 563 00:28:20,760 --> 00:28:23,520 Speaker 10: the idea that a college basketball tournament, which used to 564 00:28:23,560 --> 00:28:27,200 Speaker 10: be one of the greatest moments on the calendar, has 565 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,119 Speaker 10: now been reduced to a battle of the elite, is 566 00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:35,119 Speaker 10: really unfortunate. But there's no way if you're a small 567 00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:39,960 Speaker 10: college basketball program like a Butler ten years ago or 568 00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,560 Speaker 10: some of these other programs that have just been so 569 00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:47,680 Speaker 10: exciting Davidson making a run with Steph Curry, you really 570 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 10: don't have a chance. And I know that sounds deflating, 571 00:28:50,280 --> 00:28:53,800 Speaker 10: but and even if you are good, if you have 572 00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,920 Speaker 10: a junior or a sophomore, he's going to one of 573 00:28:56,960 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 10: the top teams for his final year. 574 00:28:58,560 --> 00:28:59,680 Speaker 4: He's not sticking around. 575 00:29:01,120 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: A couple of things that came to mind is nil, 576 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: the transfer portal, signing contracts that might make it tougher 577 00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:17,360 Speaker 1: to transfer, Can schools buy out a player from his 578 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,920 Speaker 1: and I mean, I don't. It's the wild while West. 579 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: So these are all these questions that I had, So 580 00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,720 Speaker 1: pick one of those if you've got a juicy answer. 581 00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:30,440 Speaker 10: Yeah, I mean, right now, the biggest issue in college 582 00:29:30,440 --> 00:29:34,040 Speaker 10: athletics is the portals. That's what coaches scream about because 583 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 10: they're constantly on the go having to re recruit their roster. 584 00:29:38,320 --> 00:29:40,320 Speaker 10: So I think that's really where the action is. I'm 585 00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:44,600 Speaker 10: not sure this agreement is going to affect that, and 586 00:29:44,640 --> 00:29:46,160 Speaker 10: I don't mean to be one of those guys that 587 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 10: says it's actually going to get worse in some regard, 588 00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:51,120 Speaker 10: but there are going to be more lawsuits and I 589 00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:55,320 Speaker 10: think you're going to see Title nine lawsuits about where 590 00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,760 Speaker 10: does I mean, right after we've had the greatest explosion 591 00:29:57,800 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 10: of women's sports, especially in basketball ball, women's softball, now 592 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:04,760 Speaker 10: it's going to be curtailed. What is really going on, 593 00:30:05,440 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 10: and it's very much out in the open, is the 594 00:30:07,320 --> 00:30:12,840 Speaker 10: commissioners of college sports want federal intervention. It's interesting Dan 595 00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:16,440 Speaker 10: that yesterday up in New Jersey, the athletic director and 596 00:30:16,560 --> 00:30:18,600 Speaker 10: Notre Dame who used to be in the PGA, so 597 00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,280 Speaker 10: he knew the president very well from his days there, 598 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 10: and the commissioner of the Southeastern Conference, Greg Zanki, played 599 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 10: golf with Donald Trump with the idea of trying to 600 00:30:27,400 --> 00:30:30,960 Speaker 10: get him to do what Congress has not done in 601 00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:33,640 Speaker 10: four or five years. Despite a lot of smoke, and 602 00:30:34,520 --> 00:30:38,120 Speaker 10: I'm not a political analyst, this president has quite a 603 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,200 Speaker 10: bully pulpit, and he does seem, at least for the 604 00:30:41,240 --> 00:30:44,480 Speaker 10: time being, to be very interested in college athletics. And 605 00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,080 Speaker 10: some of that is because he's a sports fan. He's 606 00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 10: gone to a number of games, he likes the arena, 607 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 10: so he could help in the short term. But from 608 00:30:54,120 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 10: a legal standpoint, almost everything will be challenged at some point. 609 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:03,440 Speaker 10: But the idea of Congress making, you know, giving college 610 00:31:03,440 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 10: athletics an anti trust exemption, limiting college athletes in terms 611 00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:09,479 Speaker 10: of what they can make, I think it still remains 612 00:31:09,480 --> 00:31:10,440 Speaker 10: fairly slim. 613 00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:14,280 Speaker 1: Paul Fine bamb of the Mothership, The Paul Fine Baumb Show, 614 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: The Voice of the SEC also schools are going to 615 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:21,000 Speaker 1: get twenty and a half million dollars to play with. 616 00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:25,120 Speaker 1: And where does that money come from. 617 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 10: It comes from the same place that it's always coming from, donations, boosters. 618 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,360 Speaker 10: I mean, that's all I saw Kirby's mart the other day. 619 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:36,280 Speaker 10: He was on his way to a fundraiser. That's all 620 00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 10: they do. They recruit and fundraised. They don't do a 621 00:31:39,240 --> 00:31:43,520 Speaker 10: lot of coaching in the off season. And ultimately, if 622 00:31:43,560 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 10: you have fat cats. And in some ways they believe 623 00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:49,880 Speaker 10: that this new agreement is going to cut the billionaire 624 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 10: booster like the one in Miami a couple of years ago, 625 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:54,000 Speaker 10: the one that Texas take out. 626 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:57,200 Speaker 4: I don't think so, Dan, You're never going to cut 627 00:31:57,200 --> 00:31:57,880 Speaker 4: those guys out. 628 00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,040 Speaker 10: And the idea that they hired an next Major League 629 00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:05,280 Speaker 10: Baseball official who is a former US attorney, He's going 630 00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:06,719 Speaker 10: to be in charge of enforcements. 631 00:32:06,760 --> 00:32:08,400 Speaker 4: Please, that's not going to happen. 632 00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 10: Every school will challenge anything that comes down the pipe 633 00:32:12,920 --> 00:32:15,520 Speaker 10: like like we've seen in recent years, and there will 634 00:32:15,520 --> 00:32:17,160 Speaker 10: be no enforcement whatsoever. 635 00:32:20,800 --> 00:32:24,240 Speaker 1: The transfer portal thing is I think what that's what 636 00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,840 Speaker 1: drives coaches crazy. And I mean, you're poaching guys, you know, 637 00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:32,600 Speaker 1: when they were playing in you know, the playoffs college 638 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:35,560 Speaker 1: football playoffs. There were two players that I was told 639 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:43,760 Speaker 1: they're negotiating to play someplace. Having that window we've talked about, 640 00:32:44,240 --> 00:32:47,120 Speaker 1: is there a way to make the transfer portal the 641 00:32:47,160 --> 00:32:52,160 Speaker 1: window smaller to be fair to those playing in playoff games, 642 00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 1: to these coaches as well. 643 00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 10: Yes, I mean there's two transfer portals right now. The 644 00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:02,200 Speaker 10: second one is not particularly that's that one just ended 645 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:04,440 Speaker 10: a couple of weeks ago, but the one right after 646 00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,440 Speaker 10: the season is. And the problem is that where do 647 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,760 Speaker 10: you put it right now? It lands right after the 648 00:33:11,440 --> 00:33:15,160 Speaker 10: championship games, but before the bowl in playoff games. And 649 00:33:15,800 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 10: the story is pretty famous about the backup quarterback at 650 00:33:18,360 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 10: Penn State last year just he decided to leave and 651 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 10: you know they didn't need him, but ultimately it could 652 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 10: have been a disaster. So I don't think there's anywhere 653 00:33:29,280 --> 00:33:31,560 Speaker 10: to put that, because nowadays you don't want to wait 654 00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 10: to right now to get your your seniors into on 655 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:40,200 Speaker 10: your campus. You will all the great programs get the 656 00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:45,560 Speaker 10: best players in December before that's in December of their 657 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 10: senior year, dan not not afterwards, And so the portal 658 00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:52,080 Speaker 10: has to be there, and and I don't think they 659 00:33:52,080 --> 00:33:53,680 Speaker 10: can do much about it. 660 00:33:53,680 --> 00:33:56,880 Speaker 1: It just feels like we're eventually going to get to 661 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,640 Speaker 1: fifty schools, right, and that's where we're headed right. 662 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:05,120 Speaker 10: Right, And we're also going to get collective bargaining at 663 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 10: some point. I don't know why college administrators just don't 664 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,000 Speaker 10: want to admit that they're paying the players. But as 665 00:34:11,040 --> 00:34:13,360 Speaker 10: soon as I say this, and we know everything that 666 00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960 Speaker 10: has happened, you'll get You'll get an athletic director on 667 00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,239 Speaker 10: your show next week or a coach and he'll use 668 00:34:18,280 --> 00:34:22,440 Speaker 10: this phrase, Dan, you know the student athletes, please don't 669 00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:27,319 Speaker 10: because that's the most laughable statement and word, well, not 670 00:34:27,560 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 10: the most laughable, but at least in the college sports 671 00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:33,160 Speaker 10: parlance right now. But they they're stuck on it, and 672 00:34:33,520 --> 00:34:35,439 Speaker 10: they just want to act like this isn't really going 673 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:38,080 Speaker 10: on around them. It reminds me of the piano player 674 00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 10: in the House of Bill Reputed as people are as 675 00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:43,120 Speaker 10: businessmen are walking up and down, they're just playing the piano. 676 00:34:43,160 --> 00:34:44,440 Speaker 4: I think, like they're not seeing a thing. 677 00:34:45,600 --> 00:34:50,880 Speaker 1: I want to centralize college football office scheduling. 678 00:34:50,920 --> 00:34:54,239 Speaker 4: Good luck, can we? I mean, I like what you're 679 00:34:54,239 --> 00:34:55,279 Speaker 4: going where you're going, Dan. 680 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:59,319 Speaker 10: The problem is that you have these four power four commissioners, 681 00:34:59,719 --> 00:35:03,600 Speaker 10: and they are essentially like the bosses of the of 682 00:35:03,640 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 10: the of the New York families back in the day. 683 00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 10: Brooklyn's not giving into Staten Island and Manhattan's not giving 684 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:12,600 Speaker 10: into Queens. They meet twice a year at the best 685 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:16,560 Speaker 10: Italian restaurant in Little Italy and that you hope nobody 686 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:17,160 Speaker 10: gets killed. 687 00:35:20,200 --> 00:35:23,720 Speaker 1: But it's all about money, Paul, and there's more money 688 00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:28,200 Speaker 1: to be made. They love making their money. So at 689 00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:30,640 Speaker 1: some point in my lifetime, I think we get to 690 00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:35,600 Speaker 1: fifty colleges and you are playing, and then there's everybody else. 691 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,080 Speaker 1: I just think, and there's going to be some schools 692 00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: that might go, you know what, We're going to drop football. 693 00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,080 Speaker 2: It's, uh, we don't want to spend. 694 00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:47,440 Speaker 1: Money or you know, these these these are strange, so 695 00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: maybe you do, you know, drop divisions. 696 00:35:49,880 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 10: But the one thing I'll say, and I'm not a Pollyanna, 697 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,799 Speaker 10: but you know, come September on a Saturday night, when 698 00:35:56,400 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 10: we're watching Ohio State and Texas and our manning has 699 00:36:00,680 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 10: the ball on fourth and one, the goal on, we 700 00:36:03,080 --> 00:36:05,839 Speaker 10: won't care about any of these things. The games are fantastic, 701 00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,919 Speaker 10: just like everything that you're watching in hockey and basketball, 702 00:36:10,040 --> 00:36:12,480 Speaker 10: but the offseason is just brutal. 703 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:16,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, but when it's November eighth and it's Georgia versus Mercer, 704 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,600 Speaker 1: then I have a problem with that, Paul. 705 00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,040 Speaker 4: I agree. 706 00:36:20,719 --> 00:36:25,839 Speaker 10: But nowadays, because the playoffs remains as convoluted as ever, 707 00:36:26,560 --> 00:36:29,719 Speaker 10: we're going to get at least three of the two. 708 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,040 Speaker 10: Every every program at least and is going to is 709 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:33,799 Speaker 10: going to have at least two of those games. I mean, 710 00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:37,520 Speaker 10: look at some of the schedules. Penn State has an 711 00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,120 Speaker 10: embarrassing non conference schedule this year, and they're one of 712 00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,960 Speaker 10: the favorites to win the national championship. 713 00:36:42,880 --> 00:36:44,719 Speaker 2: Good to talk to you, Paul, as always, thanks for 714 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:45,759 Speaker 2: joining us. 715 00:36:45,800 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 4: Always a pleasure. 716 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: That's Paul Finbaugh.