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Speaker 2: The new Talmaged approved Board of Regents voted ten to

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Speaker 1: You know, there's no nice way to say this, so

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Speaker 2: So after this second hearing, the Southern Accrediting Commission on

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Speaker 1: He's just offering them what they've wanted forever. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Now, this apparently didn't help calm things down as was,

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Speaker 2: Not great again. Like when Eugene Talmadge is forced to

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Speaker 2: Sure that shows how bad he is, because at this

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Speaker 2: Now, the Attorney General, a guy named Ellis Arnold, who

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Speaker 2: Gene instructed the AGI's office to write an opinion affirming

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Speaker 2: Henry Sperlin, one of Jean's longest friends, did claim that

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Speaker 2: In September, the Southern Accrediting Commission suspended ten of Georgia's

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Speaker 2: The next month, the Southern University Conference dropped the University

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Speaker 2: One of Jean's allies on the board begged him to reconsider,

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Speaker 2: but fan mail from racist to support told him otherwise.

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Speaker 2: Not fan mail. Gene received so much fan mail from

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Speaker 2: like racist like I've sure rule supporters, and he listened

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Speaker 1: An em that's an a's evidence that you're unhinged because

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Speaker 2: It doesn't. I mean, I don't think that matters to Gene,

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Speaker 2: He believed that their opposition to racial equality was so

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Speaker 1: Okay, very very brave.

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Speaker 2: You don't have the New York Times saying saying such

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what other kind of American fashions being going

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Speaker 1: to have? Garrison? You don't, you know, you don't want

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Speaker 2: So this, this whole instant is called the Cocking Affair.

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Speaker 2: I just think that's a really good name. Wow, you

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Speaker 2: just you just said half blown and that reminded me, anyway,

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Speaker 1: Anyway, here you go, awful, Ah, we're back. Ah, good stuff.

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Speaker 2: And what a cocking affair it was.

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Speaker 1: What a cocking affair it was.

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Speaker 2: So the next election would be framed as choosing education

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Speaker 2: whether George's children would be denied quality education unquote. Now

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Speaker 2: George's own version of Hitler, and he called for Georgians

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Speaker 2: Unquote Yeah, that would be nice, That would be nice

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Speaker 1: I think George is going to turn it around. Now.

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Speaker 1: I don't know where this story ends, Garrison, but I

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Speaker 2: This story has a mixed ed dig but yeah, yeah, Now.

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Speaker 2: Jeane's nineteen forty two reelection campaign was riddled with unforced

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Speaker 2: errors and self sabotaging betrayals. He turned his old friend

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Speaker 2: The Atlanta Journal noted that Jeane's candidacy had soured because

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Speaker 2: Arnol speech to have ex Talmach people turn in their

434
00:24:39,440 --> 00:24:45,240
Speaker 2: red suspenders. Students protested, rallies chanting to hell with Talmage. Unquote,

435
00:24:47,200 --> 00:24:52,320
Speaker 2: Dick Chady has come out against Eugene Talmage. All of

436
00:24:52,400 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 2: Talmadge's former cabinet has come out against Euchene Talmage. Great,

437
00:25:00,040 --> 00:25:03,040
Speaker 2: all these guys had also sucker, Like, yeah, Gen sucks

438
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:03,359
Speaker 2: a little.

439
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:08,200
Speaker 1: It's not entirely and pot like inconceivable that Dick Cheney

440
00:25:08,240 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 1: would have been around, and that's true. Needing to give

441
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: a comment back then.

442
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 2: Yeah, a little like five year old Dick Cheney.

443
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:19,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a little five year old Dick Cheney shooting

444
00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:21,800
Speaker 1: a man in the face and then gives a quote

445
00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:22,959
Speaker 1: on Eugene Talmadge.

446
00:25:23,200 --> 00:25:24,359
Speaker 2: Scary, scary thought.

447
00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:27,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah he was. He was a hard drinker at

448
00:25:27,880 --> 00:25:30,520
Speaker 1: five too, So yeah, I believe that.

449
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:36,120
Speaker 2: That is different, dis unbelievable. So was Talmadge. Uh, Talmadge

450
00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,040
Speaker 2: was drinking a lot later in his life and throw

451
00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: this whole race. His health was his health was plummeting.

452
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's probably for the best.

453
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:48,800
Speaker 2: No. University of Georgia students were putting on anti Talmadge

454
00:25:48,840 --> 00:25:52,200
Speaker 2: skits at football games and canvassed for the Arnold campaign

455
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 2: in large numbers, because like, this guy had just taken

456
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:59,000
Speaker 2: away their education and at this point in like Georgia history,

457
00:25:59,160 --> 00:26:01,879
Speaker 2: this kind of marked the turn point where education wasn't

458
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:03,720
Speaker 2: just like a luxury for the super rich, it was

459
00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,879
Speaker 2: finally becoming like something that regular people could afford to enjoy,

460
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 2: and like specifically, it marked a path to escape from

461
00:26:12,800 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 2: this like endless cycle of like crop farming that your

462
00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:19,720
Speaker 2: family and your parents, your grandparents, their grandparents had all

463
00:26:19,800 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 2: been doing for their entire lives. Like education was their

464
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,959
Speaker 2: way out, was their way out of this system, and

465
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:28,960
Speaker 2: Gene was stealing it from them. So massive, massive student

466
00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:35,280
Speaker 2: organizing happened against Gene Talmadge during during this race, so

467
00:26:35,400 --> 00:26:39,000
Speaker 2: much so that Talmage supporters in Athens, where the University

468
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,879
Speaker 2: of Georgia is thought it would be too dangerous for

469
00:26:41,880 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 2: a Gene to speak in town while school was still

470
00:26:44,240 --> 00:26:46,960
Speaker 2: in session, and instead he was advised to hold rallies

471
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:52,600
Speaker 2: in surrounding towns, and at Statesboro College, Gene's driver and

472
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:56,719
Speaker 2: sometimes bodyguard teargast a group of student protesters while Gens

473
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:00,600
Speaker 2: spoke instance like this bolstered arnold'sttacks on Gene as a

474
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 2: dictatorial strong man, saying that Governor Talmadge was quote carrying

475
00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:09,760
Speaker 2: a bunch of strong arm runts and and plug ugly

476
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:12,200
Speaker 2: is ready to use a mustard gas on children.

477
00:27:12,359 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: Plug, well, we all do like mustard gasing children.

478
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:19,560
Speaker 2: I am glad. I do not associate with machine gun operators.

479
00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:23,120
Speaker 2: I am glad. I do not live in fear of friends.

480
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: I have double crossed unquote again, I think there actually

481
00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,200
Speaker 2: is a way for Arnel to solve some of these

482
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:33,760
Speaker 2: problems by getting a little friendly with some machine gun operators.

483
00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:38,560
Speaker 1: Hey it historically, it's the only thing that works.

484
00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 2: So violence continued at Talmage rallies. He's now tear gassing students.

485
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:49,960
Speaker 2: The Atlantic Journal commented on why violence seems to often

486
00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: accompany Jean's campaign, quoting quoting from the Atlantic Journal, quote Talmagism,

487
00:27:56,119 --> 00:27:58,920
Speaker 2: by its very nature, tends to produce this sort of thing.

488
00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:04,320
Speaker 2: It means bullying, browbeating, dictatorship. Its resilience is not on reason,

489
00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,399
Speaker 2: but on arbitrary force. Its appropriate emblems are a gas

490
00:28:08,400 --> 00:28:13,040
Speaker 2: attack and a blackjack unquote. Now, this was either slang

491
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:16,920
Speaker 2: meaning a police baton or like coercion via threats.

492
00:28:18,119 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 3: Now.

493
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,000
Speaker 2: On his way to his traditional Fourth of July speech,

494
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,040
Speaker 2: Jean had his driver stop at a farm just outside

495
00:28:24,040 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 2: of town to use the outhouse. This was an old

496
00:28:26,440 --> 00:28:30,199
Speaker 2: Gene tactic, just to win another rule voter. Now, this

497
00:28:30,400 --> 00:28:33,280
Speaker 2: was a rainy and overcast day, a first in his

498
00:28:33,440 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: series of Fourth of July speeches. Jane returned from the

499
00:28:37,480 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 2: outhouse in pain, rubbing his butt and exclaimed, the driver

500
00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: a goddamn black widow spider bit me on the ass.

501
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 2: Oh no, they found a doctor in town. Gene was

502
00:28:53,000 --> 00:28:56,400
Speaker 2: given medication and told to cancel the speech, which, of course,

503
00:28:56,440 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: he refused to do so. He began his our long

504
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:05,560
Speaker 2: speech suffering from great pain and not in and not

505
00:29:05,720 --> 00:29:09,160
Speaker 2: long into the speech, torrential downpour caused most of the

506
00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 2: audience to abandon Jane, leaving only a handful of attendees

507
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:16,680
Speaker 2: in the rain and a few others listening from their cars.

508
00:29:17,200 --> 00:29:20,720
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read from Anderson quote. The rain pelted Jean's

509
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 2: lonely figure slightly bent with pain, but he kept talking

510
00:29:24,000 --> 00:29:26,480
Speaker 2: hard and loud, so that those in their cars could hear.

511
00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:30,920
Speaker 2: The water pounded in the paper bunting, washing its fragile red,

512
00:29:30,960 --> 00:29:34,160
Speaker 2: white and blues all over the pine planking in gashes

513
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: of color. It drenched Jean's suit and plastered his hair

514
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: against his head, but he still went on, wet to

515
00:29:39,880 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 2: the bone, alone and herding badly from the bite. After

516
00:29:43,600 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: twenty five minutes he could give no more. He hobbled

517
00:29:46,400 --> 00:29:50,160
Speaker 2: dejectedly from the platform to the applause of honking car horns.

518
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 2: Only one prompter had remained with them, and when he asked,

519
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,400
Speaker 2: what about the Negroes going to our schools? Jean Talma responded,

520
00:29:57,840 --> 00:30:01,040
Speaker 2: Before godfriend, the n words will never go to a

521
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:04,520
Speaker 2: school which is white. While I am governor, he blamed

522
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:08,040
Speaker 2: the whole mess on carpetbaggers, communists, and the newspapers.

523
00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:11,040
Speaker 1: That's that's the one similarity is that I also do

524
00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: blame all of my problems on carpetbaggers.

525
00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 2: You live in Oregon, what do you do?

526
00:30:18,320 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: I know they're all carpet baggers here, Garrison. That's why

527
00:30:21,080 --> 00:30:22,240
Speaker 1: you got to really watch out.

528
00:30:25,280 --> 00:30:26,479
Speaker 2: You're the carpet bagger.

529
00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: No, no, no, No, I'm through a cat. I'm pulling

530
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 1: up carpets and throwing them in the trash. Baby, I

531
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 1: got a wood floor. Uh huh, Sophy, I called you

532
00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,480
Speaker 1: a carpetbagger the other day because I had to wake

533
00:30:41,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 1: up at eleven thirty.

534
00:30:42,920 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that.

535
00:30:44,560 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: Imm hmm, Yeah, that's right.

536
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 2: Jean was right in the way that, like the extremely

537
00:30:51,200 --> 00:30:55,640
Speaker 2: isolated rule Georgians didn't much care for the educational issue,

538
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:59,280
Speaker 2: as like it hardly affected them, and instead they saw

539
00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,240
Speaker 2: the vague spe of racial integration as a much more

540
00:31:02,400 --> 00:31:07,000
Speaker 2: frightening threat, and to his credit, William Anderson does discuss

541
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:11,320
Speaker 2: like the hypocritical nature of this election, how Talmadge was

542
00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 2: widely framed as the racist candidate while his pro education

543
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 2: liberal opponents could could get away with making very similar statements.

544
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 2: For example, at one of his rallies, Elis Arnold stated quote,

545
00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,120
Speaker 2: why if a negro ever tried to get into a

546
00:31:25,120 --> 00:31:27,320
Speaker 2: white school in the section where I live, the sun

547
00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 2: would not set on his head? Unquote good Lord Jesus Christ.

548
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: So yeah, like everyone's bad. During a radio appearance, while

549
00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 2: Arnell thought he was off mike, he was accidentally broadcast

550
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:45,320
Speaker 2: saying quote any n word who tried to enter the

551
00:31:45,400 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 2: university would not be in existence the next day.

552
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: Jesus.

553
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: We don't need a governor or a sheriff to take

554
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: care of that situation, unquote. And like that's the difference, right,

555
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,000
Speaker 2: is that like Talmadge wants this to be like like

556
00:32:01,080 --> 00:32:03,320
Speaker 2: a part of like state law. He wants this to

557
00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,920
Speaker 2: be like he wants to be like pre eminently making

558
00:32:06,960 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: sure this this, this, this never happens, while Arnell is

559
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 2: just comfortable and like the racism of his general constituency

560
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 2: will be like no, like we don't need the government

561
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: to do that. We'll have like regular white people kill

562
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 2: the like it's we'll just have the regular white people

563
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: like kill black people if they try to get into

564
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 2: the schools like that. Like that that that's that's where

565
00:32:26,880 --> 00:32:28,840
Speaker 2: what's That's where the line comes down. It's like it's

566
00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 2: the it's the specific it's the specific focus that the

567
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:35,280
Speaker 2: racial issue is framed in their politics. That shows like

568
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,880
Speaker 2: the difference between the two candidates, even though both are

569
00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 2: like kind of raging, murderous racist Georgians in the nineteen.

570
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: That's just who's that. Yeah, I mean that's always going

571
00:32:47,720 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: to be the case.

572
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:52,960
Speaker 2: Now like everyone rallying against Jean were we're very racist

573
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 2: and pro segregation. They just didn't want to sacrifice privileges

574
00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,880
Speaker 2: enjoyed by white Georgians for Jane's quest for personal power

575
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 2: and his idealistic commitment toward its supremacy, even when it

576
00:33:03,080 --> 00:33:08,240
Speaker 2: was politically inconvenient. Ultimately, Arnell beat Jane by fifty thousand

577
00:33:08,320 --> 00:33:10,760
Speaker 2: in the popular vote and by over one hundred points

578
00:33:10,800 --> 00:33:14,000
Speaker 2: in the county unit vote. This year there was low

579
00:33:14,080 --> 00:33:17,000
Speaker 2: voter turnout, with over one hundred thousand less votes than

580
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: just a few years ago. The New Deal elections just

581
00:33:19,960 --> 00:33:23,520
Speaker 2: drew out much more enthusiasm and a greater number of votes,

582
00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:26,080
Speaker 2: and World War II was certainly a contributing factor to

583
00:33:26,080 --> 00:33:30,200
Speaker 2: there being less votes this year. Now. Unlike his last defeat,

584
00:33:30,600 --> 00:33:33,000
Speaker 2: this time there was no stop this Deal, and Gene

585
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 2: admitted that the university accreditation issue lost him the election. Still,

586
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 2: the vast, vast majority of Georgians were still incredibly racist,

587
00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,719
Speaker 2: Elis Rnel among them, but all he had to do

588
00:33:43,840 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 2: was present his prejudice in a more responsible way. I'm

589
00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: going to quote from Anderson quote. Gene's defeat did not

590
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 2: mean that Georgians were ready to embrace black people or

591
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 2: allow integrated schools. But the vote was a significant statement

592
00:33:56,520 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: which testified to the profound changes that had occurred in

593
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 2: the white Georgian's mind. They had faced the racial issue,

594
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,840
Speaker 2: and for the first time in history, they had blinked

595
00:34:06,240 --> 00:34:10,760
Speaker 2: thereby showing a flexibility. Not much, but some the voters

596
00:34:10,760 --> 00:34:13,920
Speaker 2: did show that they valued something more than white supremacy.

597
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,960
Speaker 2: Probably few other issues would have caused such a vote,

598
00:34:17,200 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 2: but the fact that one issue did cause the white

599
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 2: reaction was historically significant. Jean had misread Georgian's willingness to

600
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 2: reject the old way for a second time. He had

601
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: shown again how his personality politics could not withstand a

602
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 2: confrontation with great issues. Reality had again defeated idealism. So

603
00:34:37,760 --> 00:34:41,840
Speaker 2: that's the situation in nineteen forty two. Now after the election,

604
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:45,760
Speaker 2: Jean's race controversies continued. In the last month of office,

605
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 2: it was learned that for two years Jeane had been

606
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 2: receiving monthly food deliveries of vegetables and meat grown and

607
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 2: processed by inmates at the state prison farm. The slave

608
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:59,000
Speaker 2: labor deliveries were sent both to his house in Atlanta

609
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:01,879
Speaker 2: and his farm in MCA. When questioned about this, Jean

610
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:06,040
Speaker 2: seemed proud, saying I didn't pay for a penny of it.

611
00:35:06,120 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 2: I'd advise the next governor to try the same plan.

612
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:13,120
Speaker 2: It helps keep expenses down. Rumors also circulated that Mitt,

613
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,960
Speaker 2: Jean's wife, was using prison labor to help keep the

614
00:35:16,040 --> 00:35:19,120
Speaker 2: farm up and running, with an old neighbor saying quote,

615
00:35:19,719 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 2: Mitt worked the cheapest nwords she could find. That's one

616
00:35:23,280 --> 00:35:25,399
Speaker 2: of the reasons that she made such good money out

617
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,640
Speaker 2: on the farm unquote. And then after the election, our

618
00:35:29,680 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 2: old journalist's friend, Ralph McGill reported that Jean had been

619
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:37,080
Speaker 2: spotted at a KKK meeting, a claim that Jane did

620
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: not dispute, instead writing to McGill, Ralph, I don't hate anyone.

621
00:35:42,200 --> 00:35:44,719
Speaker 2: I know that hatred dwarfs the man who carries it

622
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,240
Speaker 2: in his soul and does not affect the one whom

623
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 2: he hates at all. Everyone had a great time, and

624
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: I wish, Ralph that you could have been there unquote.

625
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:58,400
Speaker 2: So this is what g was getting up to in

626
00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,600
Speaker 2: his semi retirement.

627
00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: Sure you know, amongst us.

628
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 2: Me, I've never been to a KKK rally.

629
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, okay, I mean I've been to a

630
00:36:12,200 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: KKK rally. But but I have eaten at a Sizzler

631
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:21,879
Speaker 1: and those are not dissimilar experience. No, yeah, yeah, it's

632
00:36:21,920 --> 00:36:24,040
Speaker 1: like the KKK rally of restaurants.

633
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:28,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, Sophie, is that true.

634
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:31,000
Speaker 3: My only memory of Sizzler is that my brother really

635
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 3: liked the commercials when we were younger and begged my

636
00:36:33,160 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: mom to take us there, and then he was really

637
00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:36,800
Speaker 3: disappointed because the food was terrible.

638
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:38,200
Speaker 1: It's got awful.

639
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 2: I'm sorry to Sizzler, but I've never been to I've

640
00:36:43,160 --> 00:36:46,800
Speaker 2: never been to Clan rallies for like, not for work.

641
00:36:48,280 --> 00:36:52,959
Speaker 2: Me and Robert have attended a great number. Racist rally

642
00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 2: is for work.

643
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:56,799
Speaker 1: I will say, going to like any of the restaurants

644
00:36:56,800 --> 00:37:00,279
Speaker 1: that exclusively cater to elderly people on Sundays and like

645
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:05,279
Speaker 1: North Texas is a similar experience. You're going to hear slurs.

646
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 2: So as as Gene was now in semi retirement, he

647
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 2: still ran a law office, but he didn't have like

648
00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:17,759
Speaker 2: imminent plans to run for election and no longer having

649
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Speaker 2: to appeal to voters. Jean moved further to the right

650
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:24,480
Speaker 2: and attacked Roosevelt for using the war to globalize the

651
00:37:24,600 --> 00:37:28,560
Speaker 2: New Deal in further in furtherance of a quote unquote

652
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:34,520
Speaker 2: world regimentation. The Jene's primary objection to the war was

653
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:37,080
Speaker 2: that it would lead to calls for more black civil

654
00:37:37,160 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 2: rights and compromise the segregationist South. A headline in Jean's

655
00:37:41,040 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 2: newspaper The Statesman read a quote election of Roosevelt means

656
00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:50,000
Speaker 2: promoting negroes in Georgia unquote, I mean and great. So

657
00:37:50,920 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 2: like after the war, certainly there was that there were

658
00:37:54,400 --> 00:37:56,399
Speaker 2: more calls for black civil rights because a whole bunch

659
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,240
Speaker 2: of black people had just like fought for the United

660
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:03,200
Speaker 2: States overseas. And it's like Gene knew that that was

661
00:38:03,400 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 2: gonna happen, and that was one of his primary objections

662
00:38:05,520 --> 00:38:08,759
Speaker 2: to the war, as well as this like proto Illuminati

663
00:38:08,840 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: conspiracy theory that that Roosevelt was like specifically getting into

664
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Speaker 2: the war so that he could spread like a globalized

665
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:20,839
Speaker 2: new deal. That was so like we can see little

666
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:24,040
Speaker 2: seeds again of talking points that that will become more common,

667
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,120
Speaker 2: you know, once we got to like the John Birch

668
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:30,680
Speaker 2: Society like a decade or so later. Now as a

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00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:33,759
Speaker 2: last fuck you from FDR all the way back in

670
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:36,080
Speaker 2: nineteen thirty five, when Gene was eyeing up the presidency,

671
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 2: Roosevelt sent the IRS to investigate Gene's finances, and after

672
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,720
Speaker 2: a fruitless ten year search, the IRS came to Jean's

673
00:38:44,760 --> 00:38:47,399
Speaker 2: law office and gave him a three thousand dollars bill

674
00:38:47,440 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: for all of the work that they had done. I

675
00:38:51,880 --> 00:38:54,480
Speaker 2: don't know that's how the IRS is supposed to work.

676
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Speaker 1: That doesn't sound like the way it's supposed to work.

677
00:38:57,520 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 2: But critical support to the IRS for billing Gene for

678
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Speaker 2: them investigating his finances for ten years.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean, honestly, like I could use a

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Speaker 1: little bit more of that energy in the modern era.

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Speaker 2: Yes, Now, after World War Two, society had essentially like

682
00:39:17,760 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: progressed passed the need for a Eugene Talmage. The war

683
00:39:21,600 --> 00:39:25,080
Speaker 2: accelerated liberal progress and Georgia was dragged into the modern era.

684
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:28,200
Speaker 2: But by the end of the war, when the men

685
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 2: came home, a reactionary spirit was growing to comfort those

686
00:39:32,120 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 2: who found themselves in an unfamiliar, changing world. Unable to

687
00:39:36,120 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 2: completely undo all the vast reforms that had been done

688
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 2: in the FDR years, the last vestige of the past

689
00:39:41,880 --> 00:39:46,319
Speaker 2: to fall back on was again racism. In spring of

690
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: nineteen forty six, the Supreme Court ruled that the whites

691
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:53,839
Speaker 2: only primary elections were unconstitutional and that black citizens must

692
00:39:53,880 --> 00:39:57,839
Speaker 2: be allowed to vote in primaries. This sent shockwaves through

693
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 2: the South. In response to the court ruling, Gene called

694
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Speaker 2: for the state's primary election laws to be completely abolished,

695
00:40:04,719 --> 00:40:08,440
Speaker 2: leaving the primary regulations up to the party. Then the

696
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:11,280
Speaker 2: Democratic Party could decide on having an all white primary.

697
00:40:11,719 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 2: That no serious politician like this plan, as it would

698
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: mean an end to the county unit system and all

699
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: the legal safeguards against election fraud. Basically, Gene's idea would

700
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 2: seriously jeopardize Georgia's ability to function as a legitimate state. Okay,

701
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 2: this is this is in line with like his whole

702
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,480
Speaker 2: thing during the Cocking affair, right, Like he's able, like

703
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:38,000
Speaker 2: he is willing to jeopardize the legitimacy of the government

704
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 2: and end of the state just to ensure white supremacy,

705
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,960
Speaker 2: and like this is what separates him from the other politicians.

706
00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 2: Right the other politicians are like, no, we still need

707
00:40:46,840 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 2: to have like a working state, Like we still need to,

708
00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 2: we still need to, we still need to be able

709
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:54,400
Speaker 2: to function. And Jan's willing to like sabotage like the

710
00:40:54,400 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 2: state's own ability to operate, just to ensure his white

711
00:40:57,719 --> 00:41:01,520
Speaker 2: supremacist like ideology is going to be intact after his death.

712
00:41:02,640 --> 00:41:07,040
Speaker 2: So like, regardless of whatever Gene was up to, Governor

713
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,720
Speaker 2: Arnold refused to call for a session to alter voting laws,

714
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:14,680
Speaker 2: taking the somewhat bold stance of requesting that the good

715
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:18,840
Speaker 2: people of Georgia let black people vote in their primary.

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Speaker 2: This was actually like pretty progressive for the time, especially

717
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Speaker 2: for a governor in the South. For all of Arnold's

718
00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:28,400
Speaker 2: racism that we've already discussed, this was like one of

719
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 2: the better things he did, and this kind of helped

720
00:41:30,800 --> 00:41:33,080
Speaker 2: to improve his legacy as a governor, the fact that

721
00:41:33,080 --> 00:41:38,279
Speaker 2: he did not oppose black people voting in party primaries.

722
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:43,120
Speaker 2: So unable to abolish or change primary law, Gene decided

723
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Speaker 2: to give the governor's race one last shot in a

724
00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:48,520
Speaker 2: campaign to save the white primary. Gene was now sixty

725
00:41:48,560 --> 00:41:51,480
Speaker 2: one and was getting increasingly ill. He drank too much

726
00:41:51,520 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 2: and he barely ate. Friends and family, including his wife,

727
00:41:54,200 --> 00:41:56,480
Speaker 2: Met pleaded with genea not to run, worry that the

728
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:59,560
Speaker 2: campaign might literally kill him. But Jene thought there was

729
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 2: no one else more qualified to run a white supremacist

730
00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 2: campaign than himself. Anderson says, quote Jane considered the Negro

731
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 2: the vulnerable spot in the liberals armor. His son, Herman,

732
00:42:12,000 --> 00:42:13,959
Speaker 2: now back from the Navy, and a number of other

733
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:17,200
Speaker 2: astute advisors, were in disagreement with Gene over the degree

734
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 2: of emphasis that should be placed on the racial issue.

735
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 2: Hermann had seen his father ride race to defeat in

736
00:42:22,880 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 2: nineteen forty two, and while Georgia was still very much racist,

737
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:30,120
Speaker 2: she had allowed her attitudes towards Black Americans to suffer erosion,

738
00:42:30,600 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 2: not by very much, but there had been movement. The

739
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:37,200
Speaker 2: Supreme Court decision provided Gene with some badly needed angles

740
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 2: on the racial issue, which needed some substantiation. It had

741
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 2: generally been felt that the black cause had advanced, but

742
00:42:43,680 --> 00:42:46,080
Speaker 2: there had been comfort in knowing that the advancement had

743
00:42:46,120 --> 00:42:50,200
Speaker 2: been more myth than reality. The court ruling changed all

744
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: that and thrust the Negro into the foreground as an issue.

745
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,400
Speaker 2: It also sent a shudder through George's liberal establishment, for

746
00:42:56,600 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 2: very few of them favored social integration. It would cost

747
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:02,719
Speaker 2: them their reressive credibility to join the chorus against Black Americans.

748
00:43:02,960 --> 00:43:05,239
Speaker 2: But worse than that, they feel that an outburst of

749
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:10,200
Speaker 2: white supremacy would obliterate them at the polls. Unquote, So

750
00:43:10,440 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: Gene equated this post war period with the reconstruction right

751
00:43:14,120 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: in his main campaign platform was to ensure quote a

752
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,200
Speaker 2: democratic white primary unfettered and unhampered by radical communism and

753
00:43:22,400 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: alien forces unquote. Jean's son, Herman, was heavily involved in

754
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:29,759
Speaker 2: the nineteen forty six selection campaign and wrote the rest

755
00:43:29,840 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 2: of his platform. Hermann tried to soften some of his father's,

756
00:43:33,520 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 2: like Harsher ultra conservative edges. The first draft of Herman's

757
00:43:37,719 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 2: platform shocked Gene, saying, good God Almighty, who wrote this stuff?

758
00:43:42,880 --> 00:43:47,040
Speaker 2: But Gene eventually agreed. The strategy was to please the

759
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 2: predominantly racist white Georgians as well as attract Talmadge skeptic

760
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 2: liberals with Herman's economics. The results saw Gene call for

761
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:59,040
Speaker 2: quote social reforms to be protected and maintained, and we

762
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:02,200
Speaker 2: must protect the news grow from the communist influence unquote.

763
00:44:03,120 --> 00:44:07,319
Speaker 2: That was his basic like combined platform. He was kind

764
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:10,200
Speaker 2: of embracing some of the more liberal economics that he

765
00:44:10,239 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: had spent his whole career deriding, while doubling down on

766
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:18,439
Speaker 2: like the race issue. Jene formally started his campaign in May,

767
00:44:18,760 --> 00:44:22,520
Speaker 2: for going the typical barbecue cookout and his rallies were

768
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:26,760
Speaker 2: smaller and more docile than usual. Crowd sizes across the state,

769
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:28,960
Speaker 2: across all campaigns were smaller than they used to be.

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Speaker 2: This is attributed to a number of factors of like

771
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 2: the mass adoption of home radio, less bountiful food post war,

772
00:44:35,680 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: and for this summer especially, people were staying home out

773
00:44:39,520 --> 00:44:42,840
Speaker 2: of fears of like a so called race riot now

774
00:44:43,160 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 2: adding to the racist focus in the campaign. In June,

775
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,800
Speaker 2: Gene announced that if elected, he would cease all interstate

776
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 2: bus travel through Georgia in response to a new federal

777
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,160
Speaker 2: ruling that declared that black people have the right to

778
00:44:55,160 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 2: sit anywhere they wanted on a bus crossing state lines.

779
00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: To maintain segregated seating, Gene proposed a system where to

780
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 2: enter or exit the state, passengers would have to leave

781
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:08,920
Speaker 2: their bus on the state line and get a special

782
00:45:08,920 --> 00:45:13,120
Speaker 2: ticket for travel within Georgia. This was the length he

783
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:18,000
Speaker 2: was willing to go. H just a completely ludicrous, a

784
00:45:18,000 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 2: completely ludicrous system. Or you have to get off the bus,

785
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 2: get a special ticket, re enter the bus with segregated seating.

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00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, now I love that. It's it's this is always

787
00:45:29,600 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 1: the way these things go, right. It's like the same

788
00:45:31,640 --> 00:45:34,200
Speaker 1: with most of the fair evasion things, where it's like, hmmm,

789
00:45:34,680 --> 00:45:36,840
Speaker 1: like what what can we do? Like how do we

790
00:45:36,920 --> 00:45:40,160
Speaker 1: solve this problem that we have largely created as a problem.

791
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,799
Speaker 1: Let's just make the whole thing worse for everybody.

792
00:45:43,360 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 2: It's emblematic of what all of his solutions end up being.

793
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:50,880
Speaker 1: Like, yeah, and I haven't really thought through the problem,

794
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:53,279
Speaker 1: let alone like what the solution will do.

795
00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:54,200
Speaker 2: It's all theater.

796
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's all invented. I invented an issue,

797
00:45:57,960 --> 00:46:01,480
Speaker 1: or at least like my can sticks invented an issue.

798
00:46:01,880 --> 00:46:04,960
Speaker 1: I probably know that it's bullshit, but I'm just gonna

799
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: make things. I guess there's some intelligence there, because like,

800
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:12,000
Speaker 1: if your response to all my racist voters are angry

801
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: about integration and your solution to deal with integration in

802
00:46:15,520 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: public transit is to make public transit worse, everyone will

803
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:22,360
Speaker 1: get angrier. And as a general rule, the primary resource

804
00:46:22,400 --> 00:46:24,760
Speaker 1: you have as a guy like Talmage is the anger

805
00:46:24,880 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 1: of life, the anger of your regular dumb people. Right,

806
00:46:27,840 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 1: Like that's it. So yeah, I guess it all makes

807
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: sense in the end. Make everything worse. Yeah, So other

808
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:35,239
Speaker 1: Republican Party works today, sure.

809
00:46:36,120 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 2: In parallels to our current situation. In the past decade,

810
00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:42,759
Speaker 2: Jean played a sort of cat and most game with

811
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:46,480
Speaker 2: the big Atlanta newspapers. Reporters would gleefully follow the Talmadge

812
00:46:46,520 --> 00:46:49,560
Speaker 2: campaign trail, and though both parties were critical of each other,

813
00:46:49,920 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 2: they relied on each other right like the Talamage helped

814
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:56,480
Speaker 2: the newspapers because he helped them sell a whole bunch of papers,

815
00:46:57,680 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: and Talmage needed papers to cover himself. But in the

816
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,799
Speaker 2: forty sixth race, this dynamic fully tipped over into open hostility,

817
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,360
Speaker 2: with each side now viewing the other as legitimately dangerous

818
00:47:08,400 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 2: and no longer useful. As the papers attacked Gene, reporters

819
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,120
Speaker 2: received threats and harassment from his supporters and had to

820
00:47:16,120 --> 00:47:20,120
Speaker 2: go undercover at campaign rallies. At one small kind of

821
00:47:20,200 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 2: backwater town, Jean spotted a talmidch critical reporter whom he

822
00:47:24,239 --> 00:47:27,880
Speaker 2: banned from visiting his office, hiding in the crowd, and

823
00:47:27,880 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 2: he started ranting about them lying Atlanta newspapers. And then

824
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: he pointed to the lone reporter, thar he is, now,

825
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: I do love that it is spelled t haar. The

826
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:45,520
Speaker 2: reporter braced for like a gang assault, but Gene ordered

827
00:47:45,520 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: his boys to let him up on stage. As he

828
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: climbed on the platform, Gene whispered in his ear, I

829
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: know you're a pretty good fella, you just right that

830
00:47:53,960 --> 00:48:00,640
Speaker 2: way unquote. Well, so that is the situation in the

831
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:06,719
Speaker 2: uh in the campaign at this point in time. Do

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00:48:06,760 --> 00:48:11,320
Speaker 2: you know what we also think are pretty good fellas? Sometimes?

833
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I'm This podcast is sponsored by all

834
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Speaker 1: of the guys who survived Goodfellas. So thank god we

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Speaker 2: All right, we are we are back for our last section,

837
00:48:32,360 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 2: looking at Eugene Talmage and by god, it gets worse.

838
00:48:36,320 --> 00:48:40,080
Speaker 2: Oh good now. This entire summer the campaign was marked

839
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:44,319
Speaker 2: by escalating racist violence and intimidation. On May ninth, a

840
00:48:44,440 --> 00:48:48,200
Speaker 2: massive cross burning and KKK recruitment rally promising a quote

841
00:48:48,239 --> 00:48:51,480
Speaker 2: unquote rebirth of the Clan was held on Stone Mountain,

842
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: overlooking Atlanta. The second iteration of the Clan, started thirty

843
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:59,600
Speaker 2: years prior, was also founded on Stone Mountain, and Stone

844
00:48:59,600 --> 00:49:02,920
Speaker 2: Mountain is currently the largest Confederate monument in the country,

845
00:49:03,160 --> 00:49:07,759
Speaker 2: and it's still often home to white nationalist rallies. To

846
00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:11,280
Speaker 2: quote William Anderson quote, rumors of the affair swept the state,

847
00:49:11,440 --> 00:49:14,440
Speaker 2: causing near hysteria and giving Gene most of the credit

848
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: for bringing the Klan back to life with his demagogery.

849
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,880
Speaker 2: The event itself was a comical ragtag affair, which embarrassed

850
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,920
Speaker 2: its leaders because they kept running out of sheets to

851
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 2: give to new members. Many of them were forced to

852
00:49:26,440 --> 00:49:31,440
Speaker 2: wrap themselves in paper and handkerchiefs. They were psychologically impoverished

853
00:49:31,560 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 2: of the new age, the cultural laggers, the indebted, the uneducated,

854
00:49:35,760 --> 00:49:38,840
Speaker 2: the scared, the have nots, in the age of the Halves.

855
00:49:39,400 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 2: They grasped the clan in desperation. It was the only

856
00:49:42,840 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 2: club in town that invited them. Its mysterious sounding rights

857
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 2: and verbiage, its hoods and ornaments, and its history of

858
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,200
Speaker 2: resistance to the blacks, and its dedication to the past

859
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: gave them a feeling of power and belonging unquote. Now,

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00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:02,839
Speaker 2: I kind of disagree with some of Anderson's characterization of

861
00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:06,399
Speaker 2: this rally. Anderson writes that like those gathered on Stone

862
00:50:06,440 --> 00:50:09,319
Speaker 2: Mountain were like a sad, pathetic lot who had been

863
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:13,520
Speaker 2: left behind by changing society. And it's not that they

864
00:50:13,520 --> 00:50:17,239
Speaker 2: were left behind, it'said they were like stubborn, cruel and cowardly,

865
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:22,000
Speaker 2: like they refused to join society. Like Anderson, both discounts

866
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 2: their agency and the threat of violence they posed, saying

867
00:50:25,840 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 2: it was high irony that society would look at the

868
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:31,160
Speaker 2: souls with such fear and dread, as though they were

869
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:33,720
Speaker 2: a well disciplined horder that could sweep from the mountain

870
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,000
Speaker 2: and destroy at will unquote, and like, I get what

871
00:50:37,040 --> 00:50:40,000
Speaker 2: Anderson's saying here. I don't want to give them too

872
00:50:40,080 --> 00:50:42,200
Speaker 2: much credit. I don't want to give like, like you know,

873
00:50:42,360 --> 00:50:45,440
Speaker 2: current day white supremacists too much credit for being like

874
00:50:45,480 --> 00:50:49,200
Speaker 2: a well organized faction that can destroy democracy at like,

875
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:50,400
Speaker 2: at any moment.

876
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:51,120
Speaker 3: Right.

877
00:50:51,760 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 2: But on the other hand, it is wrong to downplay

878
00:50:55,680 --> 00:50:59,680
Speaker 2: the violent potential of racial extremism. Yes, this is evidenced

879
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,880
Speaker 2: by the Moore's Ford lynching that happened later that summer.

880
00:51:03,000 --> 00:51:07,400
Speaker 2: On July twenty fifth outside Monroe, Georgia, while two black

881
00:51:07,400 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 2: couples were on their way home, a lynch mob forced

882
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:13,400
Speaker 2: their car to pull over, and the mob dragged them

883
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:16,319
Speaker 2: out of the vehicle, broke the girl's arms, tied them

884
00:51:16,360 --> 00:51:18,560
Speaker 2: to a tree, and shot all of them until their

885
00:51:18,600 --> 00:51:23,200
Speaker 2: bodies could no longer be recognized. Over over sixty shots Jesus.

886
00:51:23,520 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 2: One of the victims was seven months pregnant, and she

887
00:51:26,040 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 2: sorted that the unborn baby was cut out of the

888
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:30,000
Speaker 2: mother's body by the mob.

889
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:31,760
Speaker 1: Oh my, oh my god.

890
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 2: It's one of the most brutal lynchings. And this is

891
00:51:36,719 --> 00:51:39,760
Speaker 2: considered the last quote unquote like mass lynching.

892
00:51:40,040 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: Yeah, now, I.

893
00:51:41,239 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 2: Would say there's incidents that have happened since then, which

894
00:51:43,440 --> 00:51:48,200
Speaker 2: certainly qualifies lynchings. But also this is historically like the

895
00:51:48,239 --> 00:51:50,960
Speaker 2: final of like the Jim Crow lynchings.

896
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,560
Speaker 1: I would also add that, like in World War One,

897
00:51:53,760 --> 00:51:57,120
Speaker 1: when the Western Powers were trying to build up like

898
00:51:57,520 --> 00:52:01,280
Speaker 1: hate and a justification to really we have to destroy

899
00:52:01,600 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: Imperial Germany, they told stories of German soldiers cutting babies

900
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 1: out of women's wombs, like one of the things that

901
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:11,440
Speaker 1: was largely used as as like this is why the

902
00:52:11,480 --> 00:52:13,719
Speaker 1: Empire of Japan is so evil, as stories of them

903
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: doing that in China, and like, I don't disagree that

904
00:52:16,640 --> 00:52:19,600
Speaker 1: that's pretty much the ultimate evil, but like that does

905
00:52:19,680 --> 00:52:21,880
Speaker 1: kind of bring to mind, well, then if this was

906
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: something that a lot of people in the White South

907
00:52:25,200 --> 00:52:28,839
Speaker 1: were fine with doing, what should we have done in

908
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,600
Speaker 1: this period to the White South anyway?

909
00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:37,080
Speaker 2: Whatever a Monroe local told a reporter, quote, this thing's

910
00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:40,200
Speaker 2: got to be done to keep mister Enward in his place.

911
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 2: Since the court said he could vote, there ain't been

912
00:52:43,040 --> 00:52:47,239
Speaker 2: any holding him back unquote. President Truman called for an

913
00:52:47,280 --> 00:52:51,520
Speaker 2: FBI investigation, but the town protected all of the assailants.

914
00:52:51,880 --> 00:52:56,239
Speaker 2: The FBI also looked into Talmadge's possible involvement, and though

915
00:52:56,320 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 2: rumors that he like personally led the mob were certainly untrue,

916
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:03,719
Speaker 2: Jane did campaign in town shortly before the lynching, and

917
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:06,880
Speaker 2: witnesses reported that Gene spoke with one of the futurest

918
00:53:06,920 --> 00:53:11,360
Speaker 2: suspects and offered impunity to anyone quote unquote taking care

919
00:53:11,480 --> 00:53:15,640
Speaker 2: of the Negro unquote. An FBI memmo suggested that Talmadge

920
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:18,040
Speaker 2: may have sanctioned the killings in order to help win

921
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: the badly needed rule County unit vote shortly after. The

922
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:25,360
Speaker 2: county did indeed go to Talmadge at the very least.

923
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,880
Speaker 2: Jean's nineteen forty six campaign rhetoric was widely blamed for

924
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 2: prompting the brutally racist murders. Later that summer, hooded KKK

925
00:53:34,080 --> 00:53:37,280
Speaker 2: members held rallies at county courthouses to scare black people

926
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:42,680
Speaker 2: away from voting just like during reconstruction. Anderson notes, quote

927
00:53:43,000 --> 00:53:45,359
Speaker 2: Gene said it would be an accident if he got

928
00:53:45,400 --> 00:53:50,239
Speaker 2: even one black vote. Unquote. The liberal candidate James Carmichael

929
00:53:50,320 --> 00:53:52,600
Speaker 2: did win the popular vote with three hundred and thirteen

930
00:53:52,640 --> 00:53:56,000
Speaker 2: thousand votes to Jean's two hundred and ninety seven thousand,

931
00:53:56,520 --> 00:53:59,279
Speaker 2: but Talmadge pulled through in the county unit vote by

932
00:53:59,440 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 2: about a hund undred points. The campaign of yester Year's

933
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,600
Speaker 2: racism had won the state That summer, The Charlotte News wrote,

934
00:54:07,040 --> 00:54:09,560
Speaker 2: the South will one day be rid of its talmages,

935
00:54:09,800 --> 00:54:12,200
Speaker 2: but not until we have completed the long and painful

936
00:54:12,200 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: process of purging ourselves of the sickness upon which they feed.

937
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would have been that would have been the call.

938
00:54:19,400 --> 00:54:21,719
Speaker 2: That is, I mean, that is something we are still.

939
00:54:21,680 --> 00:54:25,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, working, Perhaps we should have purged ourselves from of

940
00:54:25,360 --> 00:54:26,920
Speaker 1: the sickness from which they feed.

941
00:54:27,239 --> 00:54:30,240
Speaker 2: Eighty years later, we are still purging ourselves of the sickness.

942
00:54:30,880 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 1: It's more that, like eighty years ago, it was very

943
00:54:34,320 --> 00:54:37,320
Speaker 1: clear to people like this that like we were eating,

944
00:54:37,680 --> 00:54:40,879
Speaker 1: you know, we were consuming something rancid that had made

945
00:54:40,960 --> 00:54:43,160
Speaker 1: us sick, and we just kind of doubled down, like

946
00:54:43,200 --> 00:54:46,359
Speaker 1: Homer Simpson with that old submarine sandwich and just kept

947
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 1: on eating it.

948
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:50,759
Speaker 2: After the votes were tallied, Jean said that winning the

949
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,240
Speaker 2: race must have cost him ten years of his life,

950
00:54:53,560 --> 00:54:55,719
Speaker 2: which might literally be true if he was meant to

951
00:54:55,760 --> 00:54:57,640
Speaker 2: live to seventy two instead of sixty two.

952
00:54:58,000 --> 00:54:59,600
Speaker 1: May it happen to Trump? Yeah?

953
00:54:59,800 --> 00:55:02,160
Speaker 2: He He made almost three hundred speeches this campaign, and

954
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:03,520
Speaker 2: by the end of the race his health was in

955
00:55:03,560 --> 00:55:06,560
Speaker 2: a dire state, and after the election it did not improve.

956
00:55:07,640 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 2: At this point in his marriage, Mitt was refusing to

957
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:13,640
Speaker 2: cook him dinner, so he'd often have to eat at friends' houses,

958
00:55:14,080 --> 00:55:18,239
Speaker 2: and while on vacation in Jacksonville, Jeane collapsed unconscious onto

959
00:55:18,239 --> 00:55:20,880
Speaker 2: the dinner table of one of his friends while eating stew.

960
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:23,560
Speaker 2: He was rushed to the hospital and treated for a

961
00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: ruptured vein in his stomach.

962
00:55:25,719 --> 00:55:30,680
Speaker 1: Stu got him. Huh, comrade Stu. Look ever since, ever

963
00:55:30,719 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 1: since twenty twenty, we've been saying that soup is antifa.

964
00:55:33,880 --> 00:55:36,400
Speaker 1: That is true. This just really proves the case.

965
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:42,000
Speaker 2: Jane was getting blood transfusions, and upon awaking, Jean told

966
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:45,040
Speaker 2: a young reporter that stuck into the hospital quote, it

967
00:55:45,080 --> 00:55:51,600
Speaker 2: ain't nothing but an old bleeding vein. The doctors said

968
00:55:51,640 --> 00:55:53,720
Speaker 2: that Gene wouldn't be able to attend the state convention,

969
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:57,040
Speaker 2: so Herman gave the speech in his place, and though

970
00:55:57,120 --> 00:56:00,240
Speaker 2: Jane had an initial quick recovery, his friends and fanily

971
00:56:00,239 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 2: started to doubt that he would survive his four year term.

972
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:06,200
Speaker 2: Then in early December, Gene was rushed to the hospital

973
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:09,359
Speaker 2: again due to hemorrhaging. While in the hospital, Talmuch's team

974
00:56:09,400 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 2: was still working on plans to save the White primary,

975
00:56:12,160 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 2: this time by disqualifying all of the registered voters in

976
00:56:15,000 --> 00:56:20,160
Speaker 2: the state. But by mid December. But by mid this,

977
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,760
Speaker 2: I mean this is actually also like what the modern

978
00:56:23,800 --> 00:56:26,799
Speaker 2: right is doing to affect the upcoming election, where they're

979
00:56:26,800 --> 00:56:33,160
Speaker 2: doing like mass like unvoter registrations again like specifically targeting

980
00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:36,440
Speaker 2: like black areas, especially in Texas. I know that they

981
00:56:36,440 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: have that they have done this as well as well

982
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,040
Speaker 2: as in Georgia. Like this is this tactic of like

983
00:56:41,120 --> 00:56:45,520
Speaker 2: of of disqualifying registered voters just to sway elections is

984
00:56:45,560 --> 00:56:50,200
Speaker 2: still being used now. By mid December, Gene contracted a

985
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:53,560
Speaker 2: cute tepatitis and at this point he knew he was dying.

986
00:56:54,160 --> 00:56:55,920
Speaker 2: I'm going to quote from the book Race and Racism

987
00:56:55,960 --> 00:56:58,919
Speaker 2: in the United States, quote on his deathbed, he told

988
00:56:58,960 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 2: his Baptist preacher that the black race was created inferior

989
00:57:02,719 --> 00:57:05,080
Speaker 2: by God. He said the white race was on top,

990
00:57:05,239 --> 00:57:08,120
Speaker 2: the yellow race next, and then the brown and red races,

991
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,759
Speaker 2: and at the very bottom the black race, who were

992
00:57:10,760 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 2: created to be servants to all other races. Unquote deathbed remarks.

993
00:57:18,160 --> 00:57:21,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the standard line on the right. Yeah.

994
00:57:21,800 --> 00:57:26,240
Speaker 2: Anderson notes quote. During his illness, a rather morbid joke

995
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 2: circulated saying that Gene Talwich was the only man in

996
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,720
Speaker 2: Georgia that could have the whole state, preying at once,

997
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,200
Speaker 2: one half that he would die, the other half that

998
00:57:34,240 --> 00:57:38,560
Speaker 2: he would live. Now. Some of his last recorded words

999
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,200
Speaker 2: are on a phone call to his friend Henry Sperlin,

1000
00:57:41,280 --> 00:57:45,440
Speaker 2: who was out buying cattle for Jane's farm, and with

1001
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 2: with Jean's dying breaths, he whispered over the phone, Spud's

1002
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 2: that was Sperlin's nickname, Spud, don't buy no more cowsquote tragic.

1003
00:57:57,160 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 2: Eugene Talwich fell into a coma and died that next morning,

1004
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:05,040
Speaker 2: That was December twenty one. Yeah.

1005
00:58:06,560 --> 00:58:09,680
Speaker 1: May all of his descendants follow him soon.

1006
00:58:10,320 --> 00:58:12,680
Speaker 2: This was just weeks before being sworn in as governor

1007
00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,880
Speaker 2: for the fourth time as his coffin sat in the

1008
00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: state Capitol, it was decorated with a klu klux Klan

1009
00:58:18,480 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 2: wreath and currently a statue honoring Eugene Talmadge stands in

1010
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 2: front of the Georgia Capital. That that probably shouldn't be there.

1011
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:30,440
Speaker 2: Might want to pull that one down, and and with

1012
00:58:30,520 --> 00:58:32,960
Speaker 2: that that should be the end of the dictatorial reign

1013
00:58:33,040 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 2: of Eugene Chalmadge. It should, and yet somehow it is not.

1014
00:58:39,520 --> 00:58:46,000
Speaker 2: There's one more pick. So with Jene dying before being

1015
00:58:46,080 --> 00:58:49,280
Speaker 2: sworn in as governor, the office should have been passed

1016
00:58:49,280 --> 00:58:52,920
Speaker 2: down to the Lieutenant governor elect, Melvin E. Thompson. As

1017
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:56,240
Speaker 2: Thompson asserted his claim to the governor's office, Jean's son,

1018
00:58:56,680 --> 00:59:00,200
Speaker 2: Herman Talmadge, announced that he was instead going to take

1019
00:59:00,240 --> 00:59:03,600
Speaker 2: the governor's office. So as Gene was dying, he was

1020
00:59:03,640 --> 00:59:06,160
Speaker 2: calling up political associates to ask to ask that they

1021
00:59:06,240 --> 00:59:09,040
Speaker 2: help Herman pick up the baton from Gene after his death,

1022
00:59:09,840 --> 00:59:13,280
Speaker 2: and Herman himself had actually already prepared for this contingency

1023
00:59:14,480 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 2: before the general election. A friend of Herman uncovered an

1024
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,720
Speaker 2: old clause in the state constitution stipulating that if the

1025
00:59:20,720 --> 00:59:24,040
Speaker 2: governor elect dies before taking office, the General Assembly could

1026
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:27,440
Speaker 2: appoint whoever had the second most votes in the general election.

1027
00:59:28,200 --> 00:59:31,560
Speaker 2: Though Jane ran unopposed in the general Hermann suspected that

1028
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:35,840
Speaker 2: the Liberal candidate might receive write in protest votes, so

1029
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:39,480
Speaker 2: for insurance, Hermann launched a covert write in campaign for

1030
00:59:39,560 --> 00:59:42,960
Speaker 2: himself and claimed to receive a thousand votes, beating the

1031
00:59:43,040 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 2: other right in candidates. Governor Arnold rejected Herman's claim to

1032
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:50,400
Speaker 2: the office and stated that he himself would remain governor

1033
00:59:50,640 --> 00:59:53,920
Speaker 2: indefinitely until the mess was sorted out. So there was

1034
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:57,600
Speaker 2: now three men claiming to be the rightful governor of Georgia,

1035
00:59:58,280 --> 01:00:02,560
Speaker 2: all citing different clauses in state constitution. A joint Assembly

1036
01:00:02,600 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: met on January fourteenth to decide who was governor. The

1037
01:00:05,560 --> 01:00:08,120
Speaker 2: Assembly counted the write in votes for Herman, and it

1038
01:00:08,160 --> 01:00:12,040
Speaker 2: appeared that there were far less than Talmadge proclaimed, with

1039
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:16,760
Speaker 2: the official count losing Herman the right and race. This was, however,

1040
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 2: until a box of fifty eight additional votes mysteriously arrived

1041
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:25,440
Speaker 2: from Telfair County, which was Herman's home county, and these

1042
01:00:25,560 --> 01:00:31,160
Speaker 2: spontaneously appearing extra votes gave Talmadge a small lead. Mysteriously

1043
01:00:31,200 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 2: appeared ah, well, we'll get to it cool. I'm going

1044
01:00:36,680 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 2: to quote from the AJC quote. As the vote neared,

1045
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,160
Speaker 2: one of the weapons of choice was alcohol. Each side

1046
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,960
Speaker 2: hoped the other might be too drunk to vote.

1047
01:00:46,360 --> 01:00:48,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's what I'm hoping for.

1048
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,560
Speaker 2: Herman Talmadge remembers, quote, some of our people were reacting

1049
01:00:53,600 --> 01:00:57,480
Speaker 2: strongly to Melvin Thompson's liquor. A state senator of ours

1050
01:00:57,560 --> 01:01:00,400
Speaker 2: was found in the Capitol grounds passed out. The sheriff

1051
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:03,680
Speaker 2: of vurstyinth County came to our office with the Thompson man,

1052
01:01:03,800 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: and the sheriff was about to kill him. The sheriff

1053
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,800
Speaker 2: said he caught the Thompson man serving knockout drops. It

1054
01:01:09,880 --> 01:01:13,080
Speaker 2: was sort of like the date rape drug of today, apparently.

1055
01:01:13,800 --> 01:01:16,280
Speaker 2: So we had some of our friends organize a rehab

1056
01:01:16,320 --> 01:01:18,880
Speaker 2: hospital down in the Public Service Commission in the Capitol

1057
01:01:19,080 --> 01:01:22,240
Speaker 2: where they would be where they would try to keep

1058
01:01:22,280 --> 01:01:27,120
Speaker 2: our people functioning unquote. So, after a series of fights,

1059
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:32,440
Speaker 2: offensively deployed alcohol and some sketchy political maneuvers, Herman was

1060
01:01:32,520 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: voted governor by the legislature and sworn in at two am.

1061
01:01:36,720 --> 01:01:40,040
Speaker 2: Eight to ten thousand Talmadge supporters broke into the capitol

1062
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,320
Speaker 2: and joined Herman as he went to take the governor's office.

1063
01:01:43,880 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: Governor Arnold refused to leave. He saw Talmadge's ascension as

1064
01:01:48,080 --> 01:01:52,320
Speaker 2: illegitimate and called Herman a pretender. A massive fistfight broke

1065
01:01:52,360 --> 01:01:55,960
Speaker 2: out in the capitol. Furniture was smashed and Arnell's staffers

1066
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:59,439
Speaker 2: were assaulted by the mob. Herman climbed onto a desk

1067
01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:02,560
Speaker 2: to tell his orders to leave. Arnell was escorted out

1068
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 2: of the Governor's office and Talmage had the locks changed.

1069
01:02:07,040 --> 01:02:10,160
Speaker 2: Arnell was still asserting that he was acting governor. Instead

1070
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 2: of leaving the capitol, he set up a desk in

1071
01:02:12,760 --> 01:02:16,040
Speaker 2: the rotundra and tried to conduct business as usual. So

1072
01:02:16,080 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 2: we had two men in the capital with separate desks,

1073
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Speaker 2: both claiming to be governor now. The next day, Herman

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Speaker 2: carried a thirty eight caliber pistol to work, as he

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Speaker 2: did for the remainder of his term, scaring that he

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Speaker 2: might have to use it against an Arnold man.

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Speaker 1: So okay.

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Speaker 2: Six weeks after Herman was sworn in, a journalist at

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Speaker 2: the Atlanta Journal named George Goodwin started to look into

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01:02:40,680 --> 01:02:44,960
Speaker 2: those mysterious fifty eight extra votes from Telfair County. He

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01:02:45,040 --> 01:02:47,480
Speaker 2: located the list of writing votes and noticed that thirty

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Speaker 2: four of them had apparently voted in alphabetical order, starting

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01:02:52,200 --> 01:02:57,040
Speaker 2: with A and stopping with K. Finding this highly improbable,

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01:02:57,680 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 2: Goodwin tried to track down these individuals voters, only to

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Speaker 2: discover that some of these people did not exist, others

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01:03:05,080 --> 01:03:07,919
Speaker 2: had died before the election, and Moore had either moved

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01:03:07,960 --> 01:03:11,920
Speaker 2: away prior to the election or abstained from voting. Goodwin

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Speaker 2: won a Pulitzer Prize for his reporting on this, and

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Speaker 2: seventeen days after his expose, the Georgia Supreme Court ruled

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Speaker 2: that the General Assembly exceeded their jurisdiction by electing Hermann

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01:03:22,400 --> 01:03:25,000
Speaker 2: Talmadge and that the Lieutenant governor elect from the time

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Speaker 2: of Jean's death, Melvin Thompson, would indeed serve as governor.

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Speaker 2: So that that's how Jane tried to actually extend his

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01:03:33,680 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 2: power past his death in the so called three governors controversy.

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Speaker 2: I mean, it's one of the basiest things.

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Speaker 1: It's it's definitely like Trump, he could he might try

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Speaker 1: something like that.

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Speaker 2: I dont trouble Will for the reason that I don't

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Speaker 2: think Trump cares enough. It cares enough about either of

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Speaker 2: his oldest sons to ever do this.

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Speaker 1: No, well, yeah, maybe maybe maybe Barn maybe Baron.

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Speaker 2: If he tries to put like seventeen year old Baron

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Speaker 2: into office, maybe I don't know. I don't know how

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Speaker 2: that will work. But no, I think the only thing

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01:04:09,640 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: stopping Trump from trying like a similar like forced political

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01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:16,280
Speaker 2: dynasty is the fact that he just does not like

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Speaker 2: either of his oldest sons nearly as much as a

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Speaker 2: Gene liked Herman. But now, this is one of the

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Speaker 2: crazier moments in Georgia history, when when you have three

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Speaker 2: people claiming to be governor of one of them. Herman

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01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,200
Speaker 2: has never has never been elected. His only claim to

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Speaker 2: fame is that he's the son of Eugene Talmadge. That

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Speaker 2: I have, I I have one final kind of closing

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01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 2: note on Townwdge's rain over Georgia. So Talnwridge's intermittent rain

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:47,120
Speaker 2: over the state arose during the start of substantial progress

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01:04:47,160 --> 01:04:50,200
Speaker 2: in the South, and Gene was the reactionary embodiment of

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01:04:50,280 --> 01:04:53,640
Speaker 2: resistance to change. He was the vessel for his Confederate

1118
01:04:53,640 --> 01:04:57,640
Speaker 2: ancestors as the modern world invaded Georgia. Jean mastered the

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01:04:57,640 --> 01:05:01,280
Speaker 2: politics of theater and white. Georgia was enthralled with his performance.

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Speaker 2: For two decades, people either loved or hated Jane. There

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01:05:04,680 --> 01:05:07,720
Speaker 2: was very little in between. His core supporters were the

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01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:11,840
Speaker 2: rich businessmen and the dirt poor little guy. Jane's economics

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01:05:11,880 --> 01:05:14,920
Speaker 2: paved the way for the intense corporate control over Georgia

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01:05:15,000 --> 01:05:18,080
Speaker 2: that continues to this day. Yeah and I will I

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01:05:18,080 --> 01:05:21,240
Speaker 2: will finally close with with some of the some of

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01:05:21,240 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 2: the words of the last page of Gene's biography quote,

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01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,880
Speaker 2: if the businessman supplied the money, the poor farmer supplied

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01:05:27,960 --> 01:05:31,040
Speaker 2: the court vote that gave Talmage his power. He had

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01:05:31,080 --> 01:05:33,840
Speaker 2: no real solutions for these people. His solutions had all

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01:05:33,920 --> 01:05:36,760
Speaker 2: been proven wrong by the very past he revered. He

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01:05:36,880 --> 01:05:39,560
Speaker 2: served them as an emotional crutch when their consciousness was

1132
01:05:39,560 --> 01:05:43,240
Speaker 2: being shattered by the catastrophic depression and the subsequent radicalism

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01:05:43,280 --> 01:05:45,880
Speaker 2: of the New Deal. As long as he played by

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01:05:45,880 --> 01:05:48,680
Speaker 2: their rules, they supported him. But when he tried to

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01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 2: take the new fruits away from them, or sought real

1136
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,320
Speaker 2: power by running for the Senate, they denied him. They

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01:05:54,360 --> 01:06:00,000
Speaker 2: wanted him basically powerless, though they reveled in his power plays,

1138
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:03,480
Speaker 2: which was a prisoner of history. A culturalizlationist lost in

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01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 2: a time frame, that he was unable to leave on

1140
01:06:05,480 --> 01:06:08,760
Speaker 2: his own, and that his supporters finally refused to help

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01:06:08,840 --> 01:06:13,160
Speaker 2: him leave. Gene Talmadge strode the decade when Georgia got

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01:06:13,240 --> 01:06:16,040
Speaker 2: up and went along. When she began to pull up stakes,

1143
01:06:16,240 --> 01:06:19,120
Speaker 2: learned to say yes and became less preoccupied with self

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01:06:19,720 --> 01:06:23,120
Speaker 2: and looking beyond, she lost something and gained something. Her

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01:06:23,120 --> 01:06:25,320
Speaker 2: people had looked beyond the tall pines at the end

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01:06:25,360 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 2: of the field and realized for the first time that

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01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:31,040
Speaker 2: something better must be out there, and in doing so

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01:06:31,200 --> 01:06:33,880
Speaker 2: they admitted defeat, admitted they could no longer go it

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Speaker 2: at their own. In nineteen ten, sixty sixty one percent

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01:06:37,440 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 2: of all Georgians were rural farm dwellers. By nineteen forty

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01:06:40,400 --> 01:06:43,400
Speaker 2: the figure it hit forty four percent. There is drama here,

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01:06:43,440 --> 01:06:46,560
Speaker 2: There is preparation for profound change. And the drama of

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01:06:46,600 --> 01:06:49,080
Speaker 2: Eugene Talmage is that he arrived in the dead middle

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01:06:49,120 --> 01:06:52,240
Speaker 2: of this great physical and mental shift. The fact that

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01:06:52,240 --> 01:06:54,520
Speaker 2: he was elected to state office four times during this

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01:06:54,560 --> 01:06:57,680
Speaker 2: period does not indicate that the shifts were meaningless. To

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01:06:57,720 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 2: the contrary, they illustrate the eg in the passion of

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01:07:01,520 --> 01:07:05,760
Speaker 2: the move. These were people briefly awash. Having pushed off

1159
01:07:05,880 --> 01:07:08,720
Speaker 2: from a safe shore and uncertain of the new ground

1160
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:12,400
Speaker 2: they were testing, eyes darted quickly back to the old place.

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01:07:13,040 --> 01:07:17,000
Speaker 2: Hearts were touched instantly by its recollections. Hands formed on

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01:07:17,040 --> 01:07:21,240
Speaker 2: the plow handles unconsciously grasped for worn grain. Geene was

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01:07:21,280 --> 01:07:23,240
Speaker 2: the shore that they had left, and that was his

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01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:30,840
Speaker 2: ultimate loss. I what do you think, Robert, I.

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Speaker 1: Mean, I'm thinking actually of his ultimate victory, which is

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01:07:34,480 --> 01:07:38,320
Speaker 1: the Georgia environmental official in Atlanta, who was like investigating

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Speaker 1: the biolab fire, which was the result of private of

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01:07:41,280 --> 01:07:44,480
Speaker 1: this corporatism of private equity hollowing out a company that

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01:07:44,640 --> 01:07:48,520
Speaker 1: operated this chemical facility, and so they didn't have proper

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01:07:48,600 --> 01:07:51,560
Speaker 1: safeguards and used water to put out a fire that

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01:07:51,680 --> 01:07:54,960
Speaker 1: water should not have been used on, and it blanketed

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Speaker 1: the entire city, or at least a large portion of

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Speaker 1: it in fucking chlorine gas fumes. The guy who was

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01:08:01,600 --> 01:08:05,480
Speaker 1: investigating it for the state collapsed like while giving a

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Speaker 1: state or giving testimony about.

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Speaker 2: Right fire right after giving testimony.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and people online, a whole bunch of them with

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01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:14,880
Speaker 1: thousands of likes per person, are suggesting that he was

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01:08:14,920 --> 01:08:18,679
Speaker 1: attacked by a CIA heart attack gun, because obviously that's

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Speaker 1: the only thing that could have done this. I see that,

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Speaker 1: as you know, the real triumph of Talmach's legacy is

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01:08:25,080 --> 01:08:29,040
Speaker 1: that shit like that is not only the Norman Georgia,

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01:08:29,080 --> 01:08:31,839
Speaker 1: but it's becoming the norm everywhere in this great country

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01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:36,599
Speaker 1: because ultimately he and the people like him tend to win.

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01:08:36,840 --> 01:08:41,320
Speaker 1: Because again we could talk about the men with machine guns.

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01:08:41,880 --> 01:08:45,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, yeah, I mean, and specifically, the corporate control

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01:08:45,200 --> 01:08:47,960
Speaker 2: over Georgia that he helped established is like one of

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01:08:47,960 --> 01:08:50,519
Speaker 2: the prime reasons why we now have copp City. The

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01:08:50,560 --> 01:08:53,920
Speaker 2: way that Atlanta is completely controlled by like five corporations,

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01:08:54,600 --> 01:08:57,240
Speaker 2: the way that they completely exert power over city Council,

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01:08:57,400 --> 01:09:01,559
Speaker 2: the Atlanta Police Foundation, like all of that can be

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01:09:01,600 --> 01:09:06,679
Speaker 2: traced back to Eugene Talmage. And yeah, in some ways,

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01:09:06,760 --> 01:09:09,200
Speaker 2: although he lost the battle for segregation in the next

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01:09:09,240 --> 01:09:13,519
Speaker 2: like ten twenty years, he really did kind of win

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01:09:13,600 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 2: in the end in some ways. I mean, especially if

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01:09:16,320 --> 01:09:18,839
Speaker 2: you look at how we've talked about these last four episodes,

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01:09:19,200 --> 01:09:23,040
Speaker 2: how the template that he laid out is now being

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01:09:23,080 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: followed by DeSantis, by Trump, by by by all of

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Speaker 2: these guys seeking power, and it works, and I think

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Speaker 2: it's not again, Like it is a travesty that Jeane

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01:09:36,120 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 2: died before being sworn into office for a fourth time.

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01:09:39,840 --> 01:09:43,320
Speaker 2: The fact that he died of like liver failure instead

1203
01:09:43,320 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 2: of many other means, and or the fact that that

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01:09:46,240 --> 01:09:48,240
Speaker 2: he died on his way to taking office once again

1205
01:09:48,320 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: on an explicit platform of white supremacy shows that maybe

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01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,120
Speaker 2: he actually did kind of win in the end. And

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Speaker 2: I think I am looking at him as like, like

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01:09:57,880 --> 01:10:00,439
Speaker 2: he is like the last real like Southern den Democrat,

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01:10:00,520 --> 01:10:02,760
Speaker 2: right he is. He's the last guy before the South

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01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 2: moves to being racist Republicans. Yeah, and like that that

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01:10:06,240 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 2: is his legacy, is that this is that this is

1212
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:11,720
Speaker 2: that this Democrat party man actually paved the way for

1213
01:10:11,960 --> 01:10:16,320
Speaker 2: Republicans to completely ruin the country and the states, uh

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01:10:16,400 --> 01:10:17,719
Speaker 2: for the next like eighty years.

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Speaker 1: And that's why he's my hero. Anyway, Well, there we go.

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Speaker 2: That is a that is a story of a Eugene

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01:10:24,439 --> 01:10:26,760
Speaker 2: Talmage and his dictorial reign over the state, over the

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01:10:26,840 --> 01:10:27,559
Speaker 2: state of Georgia.

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Speaker 1: Well, you know, everyone, all I got to say is

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Speaker 1: keep your fingers crossed. Soon we'll have a better dictator

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Speaker 1: in charge of Georgia. That's what I believe.

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